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  • B Yen
    ... Explore That s what I ve been doing the last 1.5 yrs, exploring solutions for Live Delivery of pics/videos..from the middle-of-nowhere (using mobile
    Message 1 of 18 , Sep 1 3:19 AM
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      Hi Duncan,

      Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I agree with you on a lot of points. By no means am I suggesting that we stop doing what we're doing. I don't think live vlogcasting has to be done the "network TV" way. Let's not mimick something we're trying to change. I see this as something raw, interactive, organic, etc. 

      You say the big broadcasters do live very well. I don't know if I would agree with that. Most "live" shows I watch on TV play out like something pre-recorded, anyway. The old media mantra of "complete control" is at odds with the core of what live video SHOULD be. The big boys are scared of what might happen. What if he curses? What if he pulls a "George Bush doesn't care about Black people?" What if, what if... Hell, I say let's see it. 

      Live doesn't have to be a gimmick (remember E.R. Live anyone?). I think we could use it to engage viewers on a different level. You are absolutely right, we have so many possibilties right now. This genre IS evolving each day, and I'm just trying to explore new areas for us to explore

      "Explore"

      That's what I've been doing the last 1.5 yrs, "exploring" solutions for Live Delivery of pics/videos..from the middle-of-nowhere (using mobile satellite-DSL, a foldable dish on my 4x4 van) or from City (cellphone networks).

      My mobile setup looks like:


      I shot some hand-held video during a hike into Death Valley canyons, went back to my 4x4 van, did a quick edit, deployed the satellite-DSL dish, uploaded to blip.tv, & had video-iPod/Sony PSP clips within an hour


      I could easily be at the Burning Man Festival, & do the same thing.

      [ as a matter of fact, I just got back from Nevada for the BITD Vegas to Reno race, where I blogged live to Textamerica.com mobile-blogs:


      & video-blogged Sony FX1 video of race-cars:


      available as "BITD" video-podcast ]


      Here's what I do for Auto Racing (as above for the Vegas to Reno race):


      I use Textamerica.com mobile-blogs, to deliver LIVE pics & videos.

      Examples:


      [ sad note, Textamerica.com is losing $$ & a former-insider tells me they may not be around next year!!  There was a big split in brain-trust back in June, about the time of the Rocketboom breakup ]


      I did some tests at NAB 2006 in Las Vegas.  I shot some mpeg video from my digital camera ("Sirens" show in front of Treasure Island Casino), connected it to my laptop (Verizon wireless card), video-blogged it & got it up on my NAB Las Vegas video-podcast.  Took about 15 min.  It was WEIRD doing all the blogging at night on the sidewalk, with a crowd of people around me.

      I actually did some demos to some NAB exhibitors, shot some video of their demos & video-blogged it.  Got it up as clips on my NAB video-podcast.  See:


      All the exhibitors were impressed, & one even got their Marketing Rep to come over to help (they let me use their private meeting room, which had full Internet access).  She even asked me about doing it for their company.

      That's a market: video-podcasting from conferences.  Have vendors put up a sign on their booth "See our XXX video-podcast for playbacks of our demos".  I.e., attendees can go back home & re-live the demos they saw at the show.  EVERY vendor should have a video-podcast of their demos, so attendees can go back & review them.







      Ironically, live webcams have been around a lot longer than vlogging. The question is, can we use them in a way that pushes the boundaries of what people expect from video? Can we bring the community closer together? These are the questions I want to think about. 

      We're far away from dealing with potential "scheduling conflicts" -- but at the core of it, isn't having more choices better than none at all?

      Rick

    • Andreas Haugstrup
      ... Live vlogcasting ? Stop with the names already. First you explain how a live vlog is different from broadcast and *then* you get to make up a name for
      Message 2 of 18 , Sep 1 3:38 AM
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        On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:19:37 +0200, B Yen <byen@...> wrote:

        >> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I agree with you on a lot
        >> of points. By no means am I suggesting that we stop doing what
        >> we're doing. I don't think live vlogcasting has to be done the
        >> "network TV" way. Let's not mimick something we're trying to
        >> change. I see this as something raw, interactive, organic, etc.

        "Live vlogcasting"? Stop with the names already. First you explain how a
        "live vlog" is different from broadcast and *then* you get to make up a
        name for it. Call a spade a spade.

        --
        Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
        <URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ >
        Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.
      • Gary Rosenzweig
        ... Yes, we ve been doing The Daily Vlog live for 5 months now. Here s how it works: At 3 p.m., a dedicated Mac with an iSight starts recording. The camera
        Message 3 of 18 , Sep 1 5:56 AM
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          On 8/31/06, Rick Rey <rick@...> wrote:
          The only person I know broadcasting live is Tom Green. I'm sure there
          are others.

          Yes, we've been doing The Daily Vlog "live" for 5 months now.

          Here's how it works: At 3 p.m., a dedicated Mac with an iSight starts recording. The camera is pointed at a sofa in our office. It records for exactly 5 minutes. Then the machine pastes the open and close credits onto the video, compresses it to mp4, and automatically uploads it. The rss is updated automatically. No editing, no second chances. We come up with something to say, usually minutes beforehand. There are 6 or 7 of us that regularly appear in groups of 2 or 3. Sometimes we experiment and try to do skits or such. It is a very fun experience. We've produced some interesting things, and lots of duds, too. (Like yesterday's episode).

          http://clevermedia.tv/vlog/

          We even made a short documentary on how we make The Daily Vlog: http://clevermedia.tv/prime/prime20060518.html
          --
          Gary Rosenzweig
          CleverMedia
          rosenz@...
        • Michael Sullivan
          LOL. Ok, i ll chime in for a moment.... First, let me put out this link as an example of where things can go, in part, in relation to live social media
          Message 4 of 18 , Sep 1 6:25 AM
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            LOL.

            Ok, i'll chime in for a moment....

            First, let me put out this link as an example of where things can go, in part, in relation to live social media broadcasting:

            http://www.instantsharecam.com/

            First you explain how a "live vlog" is different from broadcast and *then* you get to make up a
            name for it. Call a spade a spade.

            from where i stand on defining vlog, i am unable to make "live vlog" work in my mind. 
            one could have a vlog with an archive of what was once live broadcasted video, as many videos on blogs are.  but broadcasting live is broadcasting live.  What about narrowcasting or microcasting to small or even private groups?  I guess start here to delve into those topics - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcasting

            anyway, since i think a vlog requires a blog and video, anything "live" when it is "live" is something else.
            and as always, i dont think any of this has anything to do with content genres.

            sull

            On 9/1/06, Andreas Haugstrup < solitude@...> wrote:
            On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:19:37 +0200, B Yen < byen@...> wrote:

            >> Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I agree with you on a lot
            >> of points. By no means am I suggesting that we stop doing what
            >> we're doing. I don't think live vlogcasting has to be done the
            >> "network TV" way. Let's not mimick something we're trying to
            >> change. I see this as something raw, interactive, organic, etc.

            "Live vlogcasting"? Stop with the names already. First you explain how a
            "live vlog" is different from broadcast and *then* you get to make up a
            name for it. Call a spade a spade.

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          • Michael Sullivan
            The topic has come up from time to time. I recall Clark from zipzapzop.com talking about this stuff on the blip group. He was proposing a live continuous
            Message 5 of 18 , Sep 1 6:38 AM
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              The topic has come up from time to time. 
              I recall Clark from zipzapzop.com talking about this stuff on the blip group.
              He was proposing a live continuous streamed broadcast channel over the net for open media content creators.

              I dont think the emphasis was on live video but rather just a playlist stream.... for example play all blip video in a stream. 

              i've havent thought much about it lately because i'm initially uncertain if its important right now.
              but i wouldnt mind seeing that in action either.  It goes back to early days of webcasting.... There was a time when I experimented with Real, Darwin and Quicktime Broadcaster to stream media.  I also helped a bit with this project:  http://www.frequencyclock.net/ 

              its more than just different technology, its a different purpose and mindset... one that i have mostly abandoned over the past 3 years, replaced with things like bittorrent, playlists, blogs and aggregation etc.

              sull



              On 9/1/06, Rick Rey <rick@...> wrote:
              Most live video on the web is a personal affair. Usually one-on-one or
              in small groups (e.g. video conferencing).

              Why aren't we using this technology in our vlogs?

              I started thinking about it when I re-watched one of Jay's old videos
              from his live call-in show (link below). There is something very real
              and honest about live broadcasting... sometimes that "thing" gets lost
              in the editing process.

              The only person I know broadcasting live is Tom Green. I'm sure there
              are others. I think we should start thinking about how to leverage
              this technology and create a new genre of vlogging. Maybe it already
              exists?

              Thoughts?

              Jay's video:
              http://momentshowing.typepad.com/momentshowing/files/day_14.mov
              Tom Green: http://www.tomgreen.com/

              -Rick Rey







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            • Doron Golan
              check this out, live and networked !! LIVE NETWORKED_PERFORMANCE - VisitorsStudio. 2nd September 2006. Joberg-Derby-London Date: Saturday, 2nd September
              Message 6 of 18 , Sep 1 8:07 AM
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                check this out, live and networked !! >>

                LIVE NETWORKED_PERFORMANCE - VisitorsStudio. 2nd September 2006.
                Joberg-Derby-London

                Date: Saturday, 2nd September 2006.
                Time: 4pm (BST)
                & 5pm (SA time).

                http://www.visitorsstudio.org

                A live-online collaborative performance on VisitorsStudio by Nathaniel
                Stern, Marc Garrett and Ruth Catlow.

                Followed by open laptop mixing by audiences and invited local artists
                at:-

                - The Premises Gallery (Johannesburg)
                - HTTP Gallery (London)
                - Q Arts (Derby)

                The Performance:
                Nathaniel Stern, Marc Garrett and Ruth Catlow - will peform together for
                30 minutes on the VisitorsStudio. Creating an AudioVisual mix, on the
                theme of UTOPIA - in response to the discussions that has been taking
                place on the Game/Play blog (http://blog.game-play.org.uk).

                After the 30 minute performance:
                Everyone is invited to join in and upload their own content to
                networked, real-time platform, to mix and collaborate from the 3
                different venues. Others who cannot make it to the venues are invited to
                join in and connect from their own homes. Remember, the VisitorsStudio
                has been designed to allow anyone with a 56k modem to access it from
                anywhere in the world.

                About Files and Software:
                Get the latest flash player on your computer.
                File types supported are jpg, png, mp3, flv and swf files, as long as
                they are under 200k.

                All are welcome :-)
              • Rick Rey
                You got me there! I don t know what that phrase means or why I used it. Terminology aside, I do see this as a different form of broadcasting -- not in terms of
                Message 7 of 18 , Sep 1 11:58 AM
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                  You got me there! I don't know what that phrase means or why I used it. Terminology aside, I do see this as a different form of broadcasting -- not in terms of the process or technology, but rather in terms of its purpose and meaning. I don't think it deserves a new name.... I was just trying to keep things in context.


                  On 9/1/06, Andreas Haugstrup <solitude@...> wrote:

                  "Live vlogcasting"? Stop with the names already. First you explain how a
                  "live vlog" is different from broadcast and *then* you get to make up a
                  name for it. Call a spade a spade.

                  --
                  Andreas Haugstrup Pedersen
                  <URL: http://www.solitude.dk/ >
                  Commentary on media, communication, culture and technology.


                • Rick Rey
                  I responded to Andreas before reading this and I pretty much said the same thing. Though I don t necessarily think we have to abandon vlogging technologies to
                  Message 8 of 18 , Sep 1 12:10 PM
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                    I responded to Andreas before reading this and I pretty much said the
                    same thing. Though I don't necessarily think we have to abandon
                    vlogging technologies to embrace live broadcasting models. Can't we
                    have our cake and eat it, too? The Instant Share Cam is great example
                    of how we might make this happen (all costs aside) -- thanks for
                    sharing that.

                    Rick

                    On 9/1/06, Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> wrote:
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                  • Steve Garfield
                    Umm... The Instant Share Cam is not real. Yet. ... -- Steve Garfield http://SteveGarfield.com Learn Podcasting FREE at PodCamp Boston, Sept 9/10
                    Message 9 of 18 , Sep 1 12:33 PM
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                      Umm...

                      The Instant Share Cam is not real.

                      Yet.

                      On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Rick Rey wrote:

                      > I responded to Andreas before reading this and I pretty much said the
                      > same thing. Though I don't necessarily think we have to abandon
                      > vlogging technologies to embrace live broadcasting models. Can't we
                      > have our cake and eat it, too? The Instant Share Cam is great example
                      > of how we might make this happen (all costs aside) -- thanks for
                      > sharing that.
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                      > On 9/1/06, Michael Sullivan <sulleleven@...> wrote:
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                      >> and mindset... one that i have mostly abandoned over the past 3
                      >> years, replaced with things like bittorrent, playlists, blogs and
                      >> aggregation etc.
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                    • Michael Sullivan
                      i know. ;-) that s where its all heading though. social devices. ... -- Sull http://vlogdir.com http://SpreadTheMedia.org http://interdigitate.com
                      Message 10 of 18 , Sep 1 12:48 PM
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                        i know.  ;-)
                        that's where its all heading though.  social devices.

                        On 9/1/06, Steve Garfield <steve@... > wrote:
                        Umm...

                        The Instant Share Cam is not real.

                        Yet.

                        On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Rick Rey wrote:

                        > I responded to Andreas before reading this and I pretty much said the
                        > same thing. Though I don't necessarily think we have to abandon
                        > vlogging technologies to embrace live broadcasting models. Can't we
                        > have our cake and eat it, too? The Instant Share Cam is great example
                        > of how we might make this happen (all costs aside) -- thanks for
                        > sharing that.
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                        > Rick
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                        > On 9/1/06, Michael Sullivan < sulleleven@...> wrote:
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                        >> its more than just different technology, its a different purpose
                        >> and mindset... one that i have mostly abandoned over the past 3
                        >> years, replaced with things like bittorrent, playlists, blogs and
                        >> aggregation etc.
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                      • Ted Tagami
                        I d like to help on VlogEurope Live. Vloggercon had a feed going out that worked well, let s do it again. I ll post to wiki ... -- Ted Tagami Founding Partner
                        Message 11 of 18 , Sep 1 12:48 PM
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                          I'd like to help on VlogEurope Live. Vloggercon had a feed going out that worked well, let's do it again. I'll post to wiki

                          On 9/1/06, Deirdre Straughan <deirdre.straughan@...> wrote:

                          Live could be a different kind of fun, though time zones can make it hard for many of us, as we already know from the videoconferences.

                          Let's see what we can do to broadcast at least parts of this year's vlogEurope live...


                          best regards,
                          Deirdré Straughan

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                        • Steve Garfield
                          I know you know... That s what I ve been experimenting with while using the Nokia N93. It shoots amazing video and can post directly to a blog using Lifeblog
                          Message 12 of 18 , Sep 1 12:58 PM
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                            I know you know...

                            That's what I've been experimenting with while using the Nokia N93.
                            It shoots amazing video and can post directly to a blog using
                            Lifeblog from the phone on a WiFi connection.

                            All I need to do to get it working is figure out the posting error
                            message I'm getting back from TypePad when I try that.

                            I used the web interface of Hipcast though and posted video over free
                            WiFi from the sidewalk.

                            That is the future...

                            On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

                            > i know. ;-)
                            > that's where its all heading though. social devices.
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                            > On 9/1/06, Steve Garfield <steve@... > wrote:Umm...
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                            > On Sep 1, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Rick Rey wrote:
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                            > > I responded to Andreas before reading this and I pretty much said
                            > the
                            > > same thing. Though I don't necessarily think we have to abandon
                            > > vlogging technologies to embrace live broadcasting models. Can't we
                            > > have our cake and eat it, too? The Instant Share Cam is great
                            > example
                            > > of how we might make this happen (all costs aside) -- thanks for
                            > > sharing that.
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                            > > Rick
                            > >
                            > > On 9/1/06, Michael Sullivan < sulleleven@...> wrote:
                            > >>
                            > >> its more than just different technology, its a different purpose
                            > >> and mindset... one that i have mostly abandoned over the past 3
                            > >> years, replaced with things like bittorrent, playlists, blogs and
                            > >> aggregation etc.
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                            Learn Podcasting FREE at PodCamp Boston, Sept 9/10
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                          • Dorothy Littlejohn
                            Well that Burning Man site http://www.current.tv/burningman/ will be doing a live satellite broadcast saturday night. There doesn t appear to be a way to
                            Message 13 of 18 , Sep 1 3:46 PM
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                              Well that Burning Man site 

                              will be doing a live satellite broadcast saturday night. There doesn't appear to be a way to participate by the viewer, but perhaps that's just a setting that can be changed?


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