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Re: Pit bull ban proposed for oregon

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  • tofuschmofu
    ... states, counties, cities differ in their ordinances, laws and regulations.  If a pitbull is rescued and there is evidence of mistreatment (using them for
    Message 1 of 6 , Mar 1 5:34 AM
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      --- In veganview@yahoogroups.com, Marcy Greenhut <imgreen07@...> wrote:

      > Maybe someone in this group can give background on this.  I'm sure
      states, counties, cities differ in their ordinances, laws and
      regulations.  If a pitbull is rescued and there is evidence of
      mistreatment (using them for fights, penning them, etc... what recourse
      is there, what consequences are there for the humans? 
      >
      > I used to work at a local SPCA and there were so many pitbulls rescued
      but unwanted, because of their bad rep.  And the owner sits at home,
      free of the responsibility that comes with dog companionship.
      >
      > Marcy


      I've not done a full study, but dogfighting itself is illegal throughout
      the US and being convicted of it is usually a felony. A few years back it
      became a federal felony to transport dogs across state lines to fight
      them (ala the Michael Vick prosecution).

      Other than that there's mostly just typical animal cruelty laws. Normally
      being convicted is considered a misdemeanor with a small fine, but felony
      charges are (at least theoretically) possible in some jurisdictions.

      I'm sure you're aware that the dogs usually face a death sentence!
      You're prolly also aware that both PETA and the HSUS are both in favor
      of exterminating them<GRRR!>.

      Here's two quite useful links about the problem (both groups didn't
      answer my mail to be a featured link here<sigh>).
      http://www.pbrc.net/
      http://www.pet-abuse.com
    • Marcy Greenhut
      Thanks for the links and other info Tofu. I guess the real problem is the breeding industry.  Animal breeding should be banned, outlawed.  Regardless of
      Message 2 of 6 , Mar 1 8:09 AM
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        Thanks for the links and other info Tofu.
        I guess the real problem is the breeding industry.  Animal breeding should be banned, outlawed.  Regardless of species.
        What you all think?
        Marcy


        From: tofuschmofu <brivarib5@...>
        To: veganview@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 5:34:48 AM
        Subject: [veganview] Re: Pit bull ban proposed for oregon

        --- In veganview@yahoogrou ps.com, Marcy Greenhut <imgreen07@. ..> wrote:

        > Maybe someone in this group can give background on this.  I'm sure
        states, counties, cities differ in their ordinances, laws and
        regulations.  If a pitbull is rescued and there is evidence of
        mistreatment (using them for fights, penning them, etc... what recourse
        is there, what consequences are there for the humans? 
        >
        > I used to work at a local SPCA and there were so many pitbulls rescued
        but unwanted, because of their bad rep.  And the owner sits at home,
        free of the responsibility that comes with dog companionship.
        >
        > Marcy

        I've not done a full study, but dogfighting itself is illegal throughout
        the US and being convicted of it is usually a felony. A few years back it
        became a federal felony to transport dogs across state lines to fight
        them (ala the Michael Vick prosecution) .

        Other than that there's mostly just typical animal cruelty laws. Normally
        being convicted is considered a misdemeanor with a small fine, but felony
        charges are (at least theoretically) possible in some jurisdictions.

        I'm sure you're aware that the dogs usually face a death sentence!
        You're prolly also aware that both PETA and the HSUS are both in favor
        of exterminating them<GRRR!>.

        Here's two quite useful links about the problem (both groups didn't
        answer my mail to be a featured link here<sigh>).
        http://www.pbrc. net/
        http://www.pet- abuse.com

      • tofuschmofu
        Besides the 20+ members of the group, activity logs show about 30 lurkers that are reading the group without joining. Howsabout more members get involved in
        Message 3 of 6 , Mar 1 9:57 AM
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          Besides the 20+ members of the group, activity logs show about 30
          lurkers that are reading the group without joining. Howsabout more
          members get involved in these discussions and you lurkers join up and
          make your voice heard as well? Groups like this only work when people
          participate!

          --- In veganview@yahoogroups.com, Marcy Greenhut <imgreen07@...> wrote:
          >
          > Thanks for the links and other info Tofu.
          > I guess the real problem is the breeding industry.  Animal breeding
          should be banned, outlawed.  Regardless of species.
          > What you all think?
          > Marcy

          I'd say the real problem is the same problem that exists in most every
          aspect of society; not enforcing existing laws and regulations! One
          small 'outside' example would be laws being passed about driving whilst
          texting/talking on cell phones; there are already laws about distracted
          driving that cover the problem, but they aren't being enforced. Same with
          animal abusers, there are plenty of laws on the books that could be used
          against these sickos, but it's easier to pass new laws (that also won't
          be enforced) and make it sound like the problems are being fixed.

          Here's a link that gives one example of why I'm against an abolitionist
          type total ban:

          http://www.zebrafinch.com/

          Your ban would eliminate him, he's a responsible bird breeder that helps
          to keep the species he breeds from going extinct (a real problem with
          these birds). Is this a stretching things from what you were suggesting?
          Sure<GRIN>; but it points out how quick, "knee jerk" solutions cause
          more problems than they solve. It was also a quick link for me to come
          up with, I know that there are responsible dog/cat breeders out there but
          I don't know of any with websites.

          That example should also point out that I'm not in the abolitionist vegan
          camp<g>. Any lurking abolitionists out there like to contribute an
          opposing viewpoint and point out why we should ban all human/animal
          interactions?
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