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  • Raman Suprajarama
    ... Dear members, I would like to give my observations. While there are many methods for determining the number of issues of a native, the most common one used
    Message 1 of 2 , Apr 25, 2005

      --- Please ignore the previous email. ---

       

      Dear members,

       

      I would like to give my observations. While there are many methods for determining the number of issues of a native, the most common one used is the number of expired amsas of the lord of the 5th. Any malefic amsa has to be deducted.

       

      In the current email I will confine myself to Ashtakavarga principles. I use Raman Ayanamsa and Varahamihira’s Ashtakavarga rules.

       

      Sri Samarth Rao has already given a good analysis. In the Prasthara Ashtakavarga, 5th house from Jupiter is stronger than 5th house form Lagna. Hence the former is considered. In the Prasthara AV of Jupiter, bindus in 5th house is due to Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus. Any planet which is ill-placed is bad while a planet in own or exaltation sign increase the number of children. Here, Sun is debilitated and hence results in the destruction of a child. Mars is Lagna lord and well placed in 2nd resulting in gain of a child. Mercury though in a friendly sign is in a dustana. Such a combination results in no child or death in the mother’s womb. Venus is in own sign but in a dustana. Being in his own sign, he has the capacity to give 2 children, but since he is in dustana, loss of a child is indicated.

       

      The number of children will be

      Sun                  -1

      Mars                 +1

      Mercury            -1

      Venus               +1 and -1

       

      ie 2 healthy children and 3 children who are going to die early. I have my own doubts about Ectopic pregnancy. My limited knowledge makes me not accept it as a normal child birth.

       

      Timing of events is another interesting feature in Ashtakavarga. One can use Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa or Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa for timing. I have tried it with many cases and am not fully satisfied with the use of this method. While in some cases, the results are perfect, there are a few cases in which timing failed. My own limitations in this subject could be the reason of failure.

       

      The Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa is computed as follows. The Mahadasa periods are calculated in the similar fashion as Graha/Nakshatra Dasa (usually Vimshottari Dasa). Only the calculation of the Antardasas differs. The order of Antardasa under any given Mahadasa is Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon and Lagna (according to their distance from Earth). All antardasas are of the same time span ie Mahadasa is divided into 8 equal parts and the first 1/8 part is given to Saturn, 2nd 1/8 part to Jupiter, 3rd 1/8 part to Mars and so on. If we consider Jupiter Mahadasa which is for 16 years, then the first antardasa will be of Saturn lasting for 2 years, second will be of Jupiter for the next two years and so. The last 2 years belongs to Lagna.

       

      In Carmen’s horoscope, Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa will be as follows:

       

      Since Lagna is Vargothama, Sataabhdika Dasa pattern is applicable.

       

       Maha Dasas:

       

       Ven:  1947-12-08  -  1957-12-08

       Merc:  1957-12-08  -  1967-12-08

       Jup:  1967-12-08  -  1987-12-08

       Mars:  1987-12-08  -  2007-12-09

       Sat:  2007-12-09  -  2037-12-08

       Sun:  2037-12-08  -  2042-12-09

       Moon:  2042-12-09  -  2047-12-09

       

      Jupiter is capable of giving children. Antardasa’s in Jupiter’s Mahadasa are as follows:

       

      Jupiter Mahadasa  - 8 Dec 1967 to 8 Dec 1987

       

      Saturn               8-Dec-1967        -           8-Jun-1970

      Jupiter               8-Jun-1970        -           7-Dec-1972

      Mars                 7-Dec-1972        -           8-Jun-1975 <<<

      Sun                  8-Jun-1975        -           7-Dec-1977 <<<

      Venus               7-Dec-1977        -           7-Jun-1980 <<<

      Mercury            7-Jun-1980        -           7-Dec-1982 <<<

      Moon                7-Dec-1982        -           7-Jun-1985

      Lagna               7-Jun-1985        -           8-Dec-1987

       

      In the Dasa of Mars, the antardasa’s are as follows:

       

      Mars Mahadasa 8 Dec 1987 to 9 Dec 2007

       

      Saturn               8-Dec-1987        -           8-Jun-1990

      Jupiter               8-Jun-1990        -           7-Dec-1992

      Mars                 7-Dec-1992        -           8-Jun-1995 <<<

      Sun                  8-Jun-1995        -           8-Dec-1997 <<<

      Venus               8-Dec-1997        -           8-Jun-2000 <<<

      Mercury            8-Jun-2000        -           8-Dec-2002 <<<

      Moon                8-Dec-2002        -           8-Jun-2005

      Lagna               8-Jun-2005        -           9-Dec-2007

       

      According the standard principles, planets which are not involved in contributing any points will not give results.

       

      In Rasi Ashtakavarga Dasa, Mahadasa pattern is similar to Chara dasa (or other Rasi Dasas). For antardasa, each rasi dasa is divided into 12 equal parts. The first part belongs to the sign occupied by Jupiter, 2nd part belongs to the 2nd house from Jupiter and so on. The last part belongs to 12th house from Jupiter. This is applicable for timing events related to children etc. If one needs to time death, he can consider Shoola Dasa. The antardasa begins with the sign occupied by Saturn.

       

      The results can be further narrowed down using the following procedure:

      The Sodya pinda of Jupiter is multiplied by 7 and divided by 27. The remainder obtained is noted. This number counted from Ashwini or Nakshatra occupied by Jupiter is kept as reference. When Jupiter in his transit comes to the said Nakshatra or its trines, results are felt.

       

      In Carmen’s horoscope, Sodya Pinda of Jupiter is 133. When multiplied by 7 and divided by 27, we get 13. From Ashwini it is the Hasta Nakshatra and from Dhanishta (occupied by Jupiter) it is Pusyami.

       

      Around July 1981, Jupiter was in Hasta Nakshatra. My guess would be that the first miscarriage took place around this time. We can judge the other issues in a similar manner.

       

      Some scholars consider the number of bindus in the 5th house from Jupiter in his Prasthara Ashtakavarga. This is multiplied by Jupiter Sodya pinda and divided by 27. The reminder is added to Ashwini and when Jupiter transits this star or its trines, a child is born.

       

      Om Tat Sat,

       

      Raman Suprajarama

       

       


      From: SJC-Africa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SJC-Africa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Samarth
      Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:25 PM
      To: SJC-Africa@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: D-7 Case Study - Carmen's Chart

       


      Jaya Jagannatha

      Namasthe Bipin,

         Have given below the method by which we judge the alive, dead &
      Sex of the child using Astakavarga - BPHS Reference/Its simple &
      Traditional & classical =)

      In the Jupiter Astakavarga of the Native, the 5th House has 4 points,
      When Bindu's contributed by Lagna also included, then the 5th has 5
      Bindus or Points.

      Bindu Contributors are -)

      1) Moon ( Own Rasi, Exalted Saptamsa) - 1 Alive Issue
      2) Mercury ( Combust in Rasi ) - 1 Dead Issue
      3) Venus ( Own Rasi, friends navamsa & Saptamsa) - 1 Alive issue
      4) Saturn ( Aflicted by Ketu in Rasi, Debilitated in Saptamsa) - Dead
      Issue.

      Bindu Contributed by Moon has helped the lady deliver a Alive Male
      issue as Moon is exceptionaly strong.

      Bindu Contributed by Venus has helped the lady deliver a Alive Female
      issue.

      Parasara has praised the Use of Astakavarga in kali Yuga .

      Regards
      Samarth.Rao

      Jaya Jagannatha

      --- In SJC-Africa@yahoogroups.com, "bipinprag" <bipin.prag@l...>
      wrote:
      >
      > Jaya Jagannatha
      >
      > Hello everyone
      >
      > Welcome to SJC-Africa.  I would just like to thank all of you who
      > have registered thus far and showed your support sharing our vision
      > of in learning and sharing the wonderful science of Jyotish.
      >
      > I am a beginner and have been looking at some charts to further
      > consolidate my understanding of Saptamsa.  I have a very
      interesting
      > chart of Carmen who over the years have had many different
      > expereinces in child birth.
      >
      > Carmen's Birth Details: 
      > 3 Nov 1950, 7:15am, EET (GMT +2hrs), Cape Town , 18E22, 33S55 (She
      > has also been given a birth time of 7:21am)
      >
      > Carmen had the following fertility issues:
      > Child 1 - 1981 - Miscarriage
      > Child 2 - 1982 - Son Born - Healthy
      > Child 3 - 1984 - Daughter Born - Healthy
      > Child 4 - 1985 - Blighted Ovum - terminated - could have been twins
      > Child 5 - ??   - Ectopic pregnancy - terminated
      > Child 6 - 1994 - terminated by itself at early stage
      >
      > So Looking at the chart, I found the following
      >
      > >>Rahu in 5th in the sign of Jupiter - this is a curse of a
      brahman,
      > judge or astrologer.
      > >>Mars aspects 5th house - casts a malefic nature to 5th
      > >>Using Deha method... Sun is 6th from A3 in the 7th (if the sun is
      > in 2nd, 6th, 8th or 12th from any padas - damage to fertility -
      from
      > MJUS)
      >
      > Looking at the Saptamsa
      >
      > Lagna Lord Sun is in 6th conjoined with Venus & Mars - not too good
      > Lord of 5th in 8th conjoining Ketu - not good
      >
      > Outcome of births... D7 Lagna is odd rasi, therefore count from 5th
      > on clockwise direction.
      >
      > Child 1 - Lord of 5th in 8th even rasi = possibly male child - but
      > conjoining Ketu - therefore pregnancey terminated
      > Child 2 - Lord of 7th in 9th in odd sign = Male child - successful
      > birth
      > Child 3 - Lord of 9th in 6th in even sign = Female child - but
      > conjoining Sun & Venus - possibly difficult birth - not sure but a
      > Healthy daughter survived
      > Child 4 - Lord of 11th in 7th in odd sign = possibly female, but Me
      > in 7th also being lord of 2nd house both being maraka - child
      > couldnt have survived - ??  need further clarification.  With
      > Mercury ruler of 4th child, could this indicate twins??
      > Child 5 - Lord of 1st in 6th in odd sign = female, but conjoined
      > Venus and Mars same as for Child 3, but this one didnt survive due
      > to etopic pregnancey - How do we see this if similar conjunctions
      > existed as for Child 3
      > Child 6 - Rahu axis reached, so confirmation no more children
      >
      > Could the learnered members please correct me so that I can further
      > consolidate my understanding
      >
      > Regards
      >
      > Bipin
      > <<attachemnts - how do I attach JHL charts in future>>

    • Praveen Kumar
      Stimulating stuff. Astakvarga is a treasure house. Techniques available must be researched further and refined. Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) ... From: Raman
      Message 2 of 2 , Apr 26, 2005
        Stimulating stuff. Astakvarga is a treasure house. Techniques available must be researched further and refined.
         
        Praveen Kumar (Mumbai) 
        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: 26, 04, 2005 11:02 AM
        Subject: [vedic-astrology] Re: D-7 Case Study - Carmen's Chart

        --- Please ignore the previous email. ---

         

        Dear members,

         

        I would like to give my observations. While there are many methods for determining the number of issues of a native, the most common one used is the number of expired amsas of the lord of the 5th. Any malefic amsa has to be deducted.

         

        In the current email I will confine myself to Ashtakavarga principles. I use Raman Ayanamsa and Varahamihira’s Ashtakavarga rules.

         

        Sri Samarth Rao has already given a good analysis. In the Prasthara Ashtakavarga, 5th house from Jupiter is stronger than 5th house form Lagna. Hence the former is considered. In the Prasthara AV of Jupiter, bindus in 5th house is due to Sun, Mars, Mercury and Venus. Any planet which is ill-placed is bad while a planet in own or exaltation sign increase the number of children. Here, Sun is debilitated and hence results in the destruction of a child. Mars is Lagna lord and well placed in 2nd resulting in gain of a child. Mercury though in a friendly sign is in a dustana. Such a combination results in no child or death in the mother’s womb. Venus is in own sign but in a dustana. Being in his own sign, he has the capacity to give 2 children, but since he is in dustana, loss of a child is indicated.

         

        The number of children will be

        Sun                  -1

        Mars                 +1

        Mercury            -1

        Venus               +1 and -1

         

        ie 2 healthy children and 3 children who are going to die early. I have my own doubts about Ectopic pregnancy. My limited knowledge makes me not accept it as a normal child birth.

         

        Timing of events is another interesting feature in Ashtakavarga. One can use Ashtakavarga Rasi Dasa or Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa for timing. I have tried it with many cases and am not fully satisfied with the use of this method. While in some cases, the results are perfect, there are a few cases in which timing failed. My own limitations in this subject could be the reason of failure.

         

        The Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa is computed as follows. The Mahadasa periods are calculated in the similar fashion as Graha/Nakshatra Dasa (usually Vimshottari Dasa). Only the calculation of the Antardasas differs. The order of Antardasa under any given Mahadasa is Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon and Lagna (according to their distance from Earth). All antardasas are of the same time span ie Mahadasa is divided into 8 equal parts and the first 1/8 part is given to Saturn, 2nd 1/8 part to Jupiter, 3rd 1/8 part to Mars and so on. If we consider Jupiter Mahadasa which is for 16 years, then the first antardasa will be of Saturn lasting for 2 years, second will be of Jupiter for the next two years and so. The last 2 years belongs to Lagna.

         

        In Carmen’s horoscope, Ashtakavarga Graha Dasa will be as follows:

         

        Since Lagna is Vargothama, Sataabhdika Dasa pattern is applicable.

         

         Maha Dasas:

         

         Ven:  1947-12-08  -  1957-12-08

         Merc:  1957-12-08  -  1967-12-08

         Jup:  1967-12-08  -  1987-12-08

         Mars:  1987-12-08  -  2007-12-09

         Sat:  2007-12-09  -  2037-12-08

         Sun:  2037-12-08  -  2042-12-09

         Moon:  2042-12-09  -  2047-12-09

         

        Jupiter is capable of giving children. Antardasa’s in Jupiter’s Mahadasa are as follows:

         

        Jupiter Mahadasa  - 8 Dec 1967 to 8 Dec 1987

         

        Saturn               8-Dec-1967        -           8-Jun-1970

        Jupiter               8-Jun-1970        -           7-Dec-1972

        Mars                 7-Dec-1972        -           8-Jun-1975 <<<

        Sun                  8-Jun-1975        -           7-Dec-1977 <<<

        Venus               7-Dec-1977        -           7-Jun-1980 <<<

        Mercury            7-Jun-1980        -           7-Dec-1982 <<<

        Moon                7-Dec-1982        -           7-Jun-1985

        Lagna               7-Jun-1985        -           8-Dec-1987

         

        In the Dasa of Mars, the antardasa’s are as follows:

         

        Mars Mahadasa 8 Dec 1987 to 9 Dec 2007

         

        Saturn               8-Dec-1987        -           8-Jun-1990

        Jupiter               8-Jun-1990        -           7-Dec-1992

        Mars                 7-Dec-1992        -           8-Jun-1995 <<<

        Sun                  8-Jun-1995        -           8-Dec-1997 <<<

        Venus               8-Dec-1997        -           8-Jun-2000 <<<

        Mercury            8-Jun-2000        -           8-Dec-2002 <<<

        Moon                8-Dec-2002        -           8-Jun-2005

        Lagna               8-Jun-2005        -           9-Dec-2007

         

        According the standard principles, planets which are not involved in contributing any points will not give results.

         

        In Rasi Ashtakavarga Dasa, Mahadasa pattern is similar to Chara dasa (or other Rasi Dasas). For antardasa, each rasi dasa is divided into 12 equal parts. The first part belongs to the sign occupied by Jupiter, 2nd part belongs to the 2nd house from Jupiter and so on. The last part belongs to 12th house from Jupiter. This is applicable for timing events related to children etc. If one needs to time death, he can consider Shoola Dasa. The antardasa begins with the sign occupied by Saturn.

         

        The results can be further narrowed down using the following procedure:

        The Sodya pinda of Jupiter is multiplied by 7 and divided by 27. The remainder obtained is noted. This number counted from Ashwini or Nakshatra occupied by Jupiter is kept as reference. When Jupiter in his transit comes to the said Nakshatra or its trines, results are felt.

         

        In Carmen’s horoscope, Sodya Pinda of Jupiter is 133. When multiplied by 7 and divided by 27, we get 13. From Ashwini it is the Hasta Nakshatra and from Dhanishta (occupied by Jupiter) it is Pusyami.

         

        Around July 1981, Jupiter was in Hasta Nakshatra. My guess would be that the first miscarriage took place around this time. We can judge the other issues in a similar manner.

         

        Some scholars consider the number of bindus in the 5th house from Jupiter in his Prasthara Ashtakavarga. This is multiplied by Jupiter Sodya pinda and divided by 27. The reminder is added to Ashwini and when Jupiter transits this star or its trines, a child is born.

         

        Om Tat Sat,

         

        Raman Suprajarama

         

         


        From: SJC-Africa@yahoogroups.com [mailto:SJC-Africa@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Samarth
        Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:25 PM
        To: SJC-Africa@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [Jaya Jagannatha] Re: D-7 Case Study - Carmen's Chart

         


        Jaya Jagannatha

        Namasthe Bipin,

           Have given below the method by which we judge the alive, dead &
        Sex of the child using Astakavarga - BPHS Reference/Its simple &
        Traditional & classical =)

        In the Jupiter Astakavarga of the Native, the 5th House has 4 points,
        When Bindu's contributed by Lagna also included, then the 5th has 5
        Bindus or Points.

        Bindu Contributors are -)

        1) Moon ( Own Rasi, Exalted Saptamsa) - 1 Alive Issue
        2) Mercury ( Combust in Rasi ) - 1 Dead Issue
        3) Venus ( Own Rasi, friends navamsa & Saptamsa) - 1 Alive issue
        4) Saturn ( Aflicted by Ketu in Rasi, Debilitated in Saptamsa) - Dead
        Issue.

        Bindu Contributed by Moon has helped the lady deliver a Alive Male
        issue as Moon is exceptionaly strong.

        Bindu Contributed by Venus has helped the lady deliver a Alive Female
        issue.

        Parasara has praised the Use of Astakavarga in kali Yuga .

        Regards
        Samarth.Rao

        Jaya Jagannatha

        --- In SJC-Africa@yahoogroups.com, "bipinprag" <bipin.prag@l...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Jaya Jagannatha
        >
        > Hello everyone
        >
        > Welcome to SJC-Africa.  I would just like to thank all of you who
        > have registered thus far and showed your support sharing our vision
        > of in learning and sharing the wonderful science of Jyotish.
        >
        > I am a beginner and have been looking at some charts to further
        > consolidate my understanding of Saptamsa.  I have a very
        interesting
        > chart of Carmen who over the years have had many different
        > expereinces in child birth.
        >
        > Carmen's Birth Details: 
        > 3 Nov 1950, 7:15am, EET (GMT +2hrs), Cape Town , 18E22, 33S55 (She
        > has also been given a birth time of 7:21am)
        >
        > Carmen had the following fertility issues:
        > Child 1 - 1981 - Miscarriage
        > Child 2 - 1982 - Son Born - Healthy
        > Child 3 - 1984 - Daughter Born - Healthy
        > Child 4 - 1985 - Blighted Ovum - terminated - could have been twins
        > Child 5 - ??   - Ectopic pregnancy - terminated
        > Child 6 - 1994 - terminated by itself at early stage
        >
        > So Looking at the chart, I found the following
        >
        > >>Rahu in 5th in the sign of Jupiter - this is a curse of a
        brahman,
        > judge or astrologer.
        > >>Mars aspects 5th house - casts a malefic nature to 5th
        > >>Using Deha method... Sun is 6th from A3 in the 7th (if the sun is
        > in 2nd, 6th, 8th or 12th from any padas - damage to fertility -
        from
        > MJUS)
        >
        > Looking at the Saptamsa
        >
        > Lagna Lord Sun is in 6th conjoined with Venus & Mars - not too good
        > Lord of 5th in 8th conjoining Ketu - not good
        >
        > Outcome of births... D7 Lagna is odd rasi, therefore count from 5th
        > on clockwise direction.
        >
        > Child 1 - Lord of 5th in 8th even rasi = possibly male child - but
        > conjoining Ketu - therefore pregnancey terminated
        > Child 2 - Lord of 7th in 9th in odd sign = Male child - successful
        > birth
        > Child 3 - Lord of 9th in 6th in even sign = Female child - but
        > conjoining Sun & Venus - possibly difficult birth - not sure but a
        > Healthy daughter survived
        > Child 4 - Lord of 11th in 7th in odd sign = possibly female, but Me
        > in 7th also being lord of 2nd house both being maraka - child
        > couldnt have survived - ??  need further clarification.  With
        > Mercury ruler of 4th child, could this indicate twins??
        > Child 5 - Lord of 1st in 6th in odd sign = female, but conjoined
        > Venus and Mars same as for Child 3, but this one didnt survive due
        > to etopic pregnancey - How do we see this if similar conjunctions
        > existed as for Child 3
        > Child 6 - Rahu axis reached, so confirmation no more children
        >
        > Could the learnered members please correct me so that I can further
        > consolidate my understanding
        >
        > Regards
        >
        > Bipin
        > <<attachemnts - how do I attach JHL charts in future>>



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