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  • Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
    Namaste friends, There was a discussion on fortnightly charts yesterday. Students may be overwhelmed by the myriad mundane charts that exist - various annual
    Message 1 of 5 , Jan 26 6:50 PM
      Namaste friends,
       
      There was a discussion on fortnightly charts yesterday.
       
      Students may be overwhelmed by the myriad mundane charts that exist - various annual charts, monthly charts and fortnightly charts. When to use what and what to see in each chart may be confusing. I want to shed some light on that based on my experience. I also want to talk about a simple rasi dasa that I never talked about before.
       
      *        *        *
       
      INSIGHTS INTO MUNDANE CHART APPLICATION
       
      (c) 2005 P.V.R. Narasimha Rao, Sri Jagannath Centre
      The material below is copyrighted by P.V.R. Narasimha Rao. You may not reproduce it in part or in full in any form without written permission from the author.
       
      Parasara taught at the beginning of BPHS about the time periods governed by planets. For example, Sun governs the division of time into ayanas (half-years); Jupiter governs the division of time into months (fortnights); Saturn governs the division of time into years, and so on.
       
      Did you ever wonder what that means? Did you ever wonder how to use that information?
       
      Well, one of its uses is in prasna (horary astrology), in timing events from prasna chart. The other use is in understanding the basis behind various mundane charts like paksha chakras, maasa chakras and varsha chakras.
       
      The division of time into fortnights is governed by Venus. So paksha chakras (fortnightly charts) throw light on jala tattva matters and matters signified by Venus. Financial markets, material prosperity, happiness or lack of it, harmony and well-being of society, rains and weather are the focus of fortnightly charts. Make the New Moon and Full Moon charts every fortnight at the capital of a nation and study them to see the results for a fortnight.
       
      The division of time into ayanas (half-years) is governed by Sun. So ayana chakras (half-yearly charts) throw light on agni tattva matters and matters signified by Sun. Political developments are the focus of half-yearly charts.
       
      Thus, fortnightly charts, monthly charts, half-yearly charts and annual charts are all useful. Each is seen for a specific purpose and hence there is no clash or confusion between various charts.
       
      Many dasas are applicable when compressed to the period of the chart, but the dasa that works the best in my experience is Sama Narayana dasa. Find it like Narayana dasa, but use equal dasas rather than the normal chara dasa lengths used in Narayana dasa! Mu guru Pt Sanjay Rath taught me this dasa in the context of annual Tithi Pravesha chakras and said I could find the months of important events using it. I found it applicable in mundane charts.
       
      I will illustrate this using examples!
       
      *        *        *
       
      EXAMPLE 1
       
      Event: Terrorist attack on 11 September 2001 morning in USA
      Previous Fortnightly Chart: 2 September 2001, 5:43:44 pm (EDT), Washington DC
      Duration of the Fortnight: 14.5307 civil days (or 15 tithis)
       
      Make the chart. You will see that Mars and Ketu are in the 12th house in Sagittarius with Mandi and Gulika. This can show a loss caused by a secret enemy (12th) who is violent and fanatical (Mars and Ketu). Compress the dasas and get
       
      Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):
       
       Cn: 2001-09-02 (17:43:44) - 2001-09-03 (22:54:01)
       Ge: 2001-09-03 (22:54:01) - 2001-09-05 (4:03:10)
       Ta: 2001-09-05 (4:03:10) - 2001-09-06 (9:11:13)
       Ar: 2001-09-06 (9:11:13) - 2001-09-07 (14:18:04)
       Pi: 2001-09-07 (14:18:04) - 2001-09-08 (19:23:43)
       Aq: 2001-09-08 (19:23:43) - 2001-09-10 (0:28:09)
       Cp: 2001-09-10 (0:28:09) - 2001-09-11 (5:31:14)
       Sg: 2001-09-11 (5:31:14) - 2001-09-12 (10:33:02) <<<<
       Sc: 2001-09-12 (10:33:02) - 2001-09-13 (15:33:34)
       Li: 2001-09-13 (15:33:34) - 2001-09-14 (20:32:55)
       Vi: 2001-09-14 (20:32:55) - 2001-09-16 (1:31:00)
       Le: 2001-09-16 (1:31:00) - 2001-09-17 (6:27:56)
       
      The attack came in Sg dasa (12th house) containing Mars, Ketu and Mandi. Mars is at 3 deg 18 min in the sign Sg. So his result comes roughly after 3/30, i.e. 1/10th of the dasa, is over. This means about 3 hours from the beginning of dasa. This gives around 8:30-9:00 am on 11 Sept 2001.
       
      The fortnightly chart does not show a terrorist attack per se. It shows lack of peace in the country, shock in country, financial turmoil in the country as a result of the terrorist attack.
       
      *        *        *
       
      EXAMPLE 2
       
      Event: Babri masjid demolition in Ayodhya, India on 6 December 1992
      Previous Fortnightly Chart: 24 November 1992, 2:41:57 pm (IST, New Delhi
      Duration of the Fortnight: 15.6037 civil days (or 15 tithis)
       
      Make the chart. You will see that Rahu is in the 9th house of religion with debilitated 5th lord Moon, 6th lord Sun and badhakesha Mercury. Affliction of 5tjh lord Moon by Rahu shows mass hysteria. Affliction of Sun by Rahu shows political turmoil and intrigue. Affliction of 6th lord by Rahu in 9th shows communal clashes. Placement of badhakesha in 9th shows destruction of religious places (textbook result of badhakesha in 9th: "breaking of idols") and religious problems.
       
      With all these planets, clearly Scorpio, 9th house of religion, is the house of trouble. Now look at the compressed Sama Narayana dasa.
       
      Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):
       
       Vi: 1992-11-24 (14:41:57) - 1992-11-25 (20:00:46)
       Cp: 1992-11-25 (20:00:46) - 1992-11-27 (2:17:07)
       Ta: 1992-11-27 (2:17:07) - 1992-11-28 (9:33:55)
       Ge: 1992-11-28 (9:33:55) - 1992-11-29 (17:45:53)
       Li: 1992-11-29 (17:45:53) - 1992-12-01 (2:38:13)
       Aq: 1992-12-01 (2:38:13) - 1992-12-02 (11:47:43)
       Pi: 1992-12-02 (11:47:43) - 1992-12-03 (20:47:06)
       Cn: 1992-12-03 (20:47:06) - 1992-12-05 (5:11:04)
       Sc: 1992-12-05 (5:11:04) - 1992-12-06 (12:41:38) <<<<
       Sg: 1992-12-06 (12:41:38) - 1992-12-07 (19:10:23)
       Ar: 1992-12-07 (19:10:23) - 1992-12-09 (0:37:52)
       Le: 1992-12-09 (0:37:52) - 1992-12-10 (5:11:17)
       
      It was in the dasa of Scorpio that the kar sevaks started the demolition. Rahu is close to 29 deg in Sc. So his result comes around when 29/30 of the dasa is over. So it comes in the last hour of the dasa. The demolition started shortly after noon.
       
      Next dasa Sg is is the 10th house and contains 8th lord Venus. Next day, central and state governments came under heavy criticism.
       
      *        *        *
       
      EXAMPLE 3
       
      Event: Tremendous political pressure on Musharraf following 11 September 2001
      Previous half-yearly (ayana pravesha) chart: 16 July 2001, 12:19:43 pm, Islamabad
      Duration of the Half year: 181.894 civil days (or 180 deg motion of Sun)
       
      Being an ayana level chart, it shows political developments - power manuevres and policy changes.
       
      In this chart, Virgo rises. The 10th house of leadership, Gemini, has lagna and 10th lord Mercury, afflicted by Rahu within 1 degree. Badhakesha Jupiter also afflicts Mercury.
       
      This shows powerful foreign influences (Rahu) coming on the nation (lagna lord) and its leadership (10th lord) during the year and moulding the policies of the government (10th house).
       
      The Sama Narayana dasa calculations are shown below:
       
      Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):
       
       Vi: 2001-07-16 (12:19:44) - 2001-08-01 (5:09:49)
       Cp: 2001-08-01 (5:09:49) - 2001-08-16 (20:40:26)
       Ta: 2001-08-16 (20:40:26) - 2001-09-01 (9:56:50)
       Ge: 2001-09-01 (9:56:50) - 2001-09-16 (20:35:18) <<<<
       Li: 2001-09-16 (20:35:18) - 2001-10-02 (4:09:08)
       Aq: 2001-10-02 (4:09:08) - 2001-10-17 (8:33:26)
       Pi: 2001-10-17 (8:33:26) - 2001-11-01 (9:52:26)
       Cn: 2001-11-01 (9:52:26) - 2001-11-16 (8:22:49)
       Sc: 2001-11-16 (8:22:49) - 2001-12-01 (4:34:33)
       Sg: 2001-12-01 (4:34:33) - 2001-12-15 (23:02:22)
       Ar: 2001-12-15 (23:02:22) - 2001-12-30 (16:31:41)
       Le: 2001-12-30 (16:31:41) - 2002-01-14 (9:47:05)
       
      Gemini is the sign we talked about earlier. Its dasa ran from Sept 1 to Sept 16. Shortly after the September 11 attacks, US government put tremendous pressure on Musharraf government to turn against Taliban and co-operate in the "war on terror". On September 13, Colin Powell called Musharraf and gave a specific list of demands. On September 14, Musharraf's cabinet and national security council met in Pakistan and decided to agree to US demands. On September 15, Powell publicly confirmed that Pakistan agreed to co-operate. On the same day, Bush called Musharraf to than him.
       
      Thus, foreign pressure and the process of change in policy started in Gemini dasa.
       
      *        *        *
       
      CONCLUSION
       
      Each type of mundane charts (fortnightly, monthly, semi-annual and annual charts) has a specific focus area that is governed by the rulership of planets over the division of time into various units. As the examples above show, Sama Narayana dasa works well with mundane charts. As I showed in another mail, compressed nakshatra dasas also give good results. But the dasa I discussed above is my favorite.
       
      A lot of what I wrote above is my own research, but it is based on the teachings of tradition. My contribution was to make sense of the teachings of tradition and put the pieces together, rather than creating new pieces.
       
      May Jupiter's light shine on us,
      Narasimha
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    • Muhammad Imran
      Dear Shri Narasimha Rao, Namaste, Linking various (mundane) charts with grahas (eg. Sun with half-yearly, Venus with fortnightly charts etc) seems a thought
      Message 2 of 5 , Jan 27 9:50 AM

        Dear Shri Narasimha Rao,

         

        Namaste,

         

        Linking various (mundane) charts with grahas (eg. Sun with half-yearly, Venus with fortnightly charts etc) seems a thought provoking idea that may re-describe the jurisdiction of different charts. In order to prove the said proposition and applicability of Narayana Dasha, you provided many examples.

        But it is also true, that countries whose capital cities are situating close to each other usually gives identical annual, monthly or ayan charts and therefore similar dasa progression, but on the other hand, not have experienced identical history of major national events!

         

        The mundane charts/transit or planetary phenomena may be categorized into three major types (in my humble view), namely;

         

        1- Radical

        2- Specific

        3- General

         

        Radical Charts: This includes charts, drawn at the time of emerging a new order/system or country e.g.; nation chart (independence chart), revolution chart, chart of republic proclamations, chart of new cities etc. Similarly the chart of ruler (one who has chief executive power whether president, prime minister, king, or price) and charts of their swearing-ins as well. These sort of charts have greatest say in all major national events. How and when a country would rise or fall based on mentioned radical charts.

         

        Specific: Any astrological phenomena (dynamic aspects, eclipse, lunation etc) and chart of that planetary phenomena based on 'Radical Charts' or reckoned from certain point of radical chart may be treated as 'specific'. For example, solar return chart, luni-solar day return (tithi pravesh) chart, transit and planetary phenomena with respect to natal planets or cusps e.g. gochar with respect to country or ruler's janma rashi or janma nakshtra etc.

         

        General: Any astrological phenomena or chart of planetary movement not directly related to 'Radical Charts' is to be treated as general, e.g. 60 years cycle, solar and lunar eclipse charts, chitra chukla pratipad chart, sankrant chart, solar ingress into cardinal signs viz. Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn, annual and monthly new and full Moon charts, dynamic aspects specially the conjunction and opposition among outer planets.

         

         

        Amongst mentioned above kinds, the first type (radical charts) portray real manifestation of national/domestic events. Infact they reveal nation�s path of the fortune. The second type of charts or planetary movements show circumstances and activities for certain time frame under limits of radical charts. While the third type of charts or planetary movements are global phenomena and only clues nature/environment of the events, unless they are not treated with respect any natal reference point or 'space'. For example, at present we are going through Kali Yuga (dark age) and its effect is general to all. Similarly Saturn in Gemini is for all countries, and its general effect is for all, e.g.; troubles in communication infra-structure, railway accidents, false propagation via media and delay in diplomatic development etc. But if this transit of Saturn is reckoned from lagna, moon, janma nakshtra of any 'radical charts' then (good or bad) results attains 'specific' status for that country. Similarly eclipses and dynamic mutual aspects in any sign are general astrological phenomena but looking their relation with 'radical charts' make them specific.

         

        One may argue here that annual lunar/solar charts (or sankrant or ayan charts) are specific to countries as they are erected on the coordinates of capital city, but in reality they are specific to region rather than country. Let us take South Asia, in most of the cases you find identical Rashi Chart (and off-course identical Rashi Dasha progresion) in New Delhi, Islamabad and Kabul. Historically did all the these countries experience same situation? Obviously not. So as the case for many European countries that situated in near by latitudes. Thus the Varshphala (Solar return chart) and Tithi Prevesh (Luni-Solar day return chart) have clear ascendancy over annual/monthly lunar and solar ingress charts, as they are specific to country not the region. Therefore any mundane prediction only dependant upon general chart may lead to failure, unless they are not analyzed in the mirror of radical charts.

         

        Regards,

        M.Imran

         

         

         

         

         

        "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
        Namaste friends,
         
        There was a discussion on fortnightly charts yesterday.
         
        Students may be overwhelmed by the myriad mundane charts that exist - various annual charts, monthly charts and fortnightly charts. When to use what and what to see in each chart may be confusing. I want to shed some light on that based on my experience. I also want to talk about a simple rasi dasa that I never talked about before.
         
        *        *        *
         
        INSIGHTS INTO MUNDANE CHART APPLICATION
         
        (c) 2005 P.V.R. Narasimha Rao, Sri Jagannath Centre
        The material below is copyrighted by P.V.R. Narasimha Rao. You may not reproduce it in part or in full in any form without written permission from the author.
         
        Parasara taught at the beginning of BPHS about the time periods governed by planets. For example, Sun governs the division of time into ayanas (half-years); Jupiter governs the division of time into months (fortnights); Saturn governs the division of time into years, and so on.
         
        Did you ever wonder what that means? Did you ever wonder how to use that information?
         
        Well, one of its uses is in prasna (horary astrology), in timing events from prasna chart. The other use is in understanding the basis behind various mundane charts like paksha chakras, maasa chakras and varsha chakras.
         
        The division of time into fortnights is governed by Venus. So paksha chakras (fortnightly charts) throw light on jala tattva matters and matters signified by Venus. Financial markets, material prosperity, happiness or lack of it, harmony and well-being of society, rains and weather are the focus of fortnightly charts. Make the New Moon and Full Moon charts every fortnight at the capital of a nation and study them to see the results for a fortnight.
         
        The division of time into ayanas (half-years) is governed by Sun. So ayana chakras (half-yearly charts) throw light on agni tattva matters and matters signified by Sun. Political developments are the focus of half-yearly charts.
         
        Thus, fortnightly charts, monthly charts, half-yearly charts and annual charts are all useful. Each is seen for a specific purpose and hence there is no clash or confusion between various charts.
         
        Many dasas are applicable when compressed to the period of the chart, but the dasa that works the best in my experience is Sama Narayana dasa. Find it like Narayana dasa, but use equal dasas rather than the normal chara dasa lengths used in Narayana dasa! Mu guru Pt Sanjay Rath taught me this dasa in the context of annual Tithi Pravesha chakras and said I could find the months of important events using it. I found it applicable in mundane charts.
         
        I will illustrate this using examples!
         
        *        *        *
         
        EXAMPLE 1
         
        Event: Terrorist attack on 11 September 2001 morning in USA
        Previous Fortnightly Chart: 2 September 2001, 5:43:44 pm (EDT), Washington DC
        Duration of the Fortnight: 14.5307 civil days (or 15 tithis)
         
        Make the chart. You will see that Mars and Ketu are in the 12th house in Sagittarius with Mandi and Gulika. This can show a loss caused by a secret enemy (12th) who is violent and fanatical (Mars and Ketu). Compress the dasas and get
         
        Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):
         
         Cn: 2001-09-02 (17:43:44) - 2001-09-03 (22:54:01)
         Ge: 2001-09-03 (22:54:01) - 2001-09-05 (4:03:10)
         Ta: 2001-09-05 (4:03:10) - 2001-09-06 (9:11:13)
         Ar: 2001-09-06 (9:11:13) - 2001-09-07 (14:18:04)
         Pi: 2001-09-07 (14:18:04) - 2001-09-08 (19:23:43)
         Aq: 2001-09-08 (19:23:43) - 2001-09-10 (0:28:09)
         Cp: 2001-09-10 (0:28:09) - 2001-09-11 (5:31:14)
         Sg: 2001-09-11 (5:31:14) - 2001-09-12 (10:33:02) <<<<
         Sc: 2001-09-12 (10:33:02) - 2001-09-13 (15:33:34)
         Li: 2001-09-13 (15:33:34) - 2001-09-14 (20:32:55)
         Vi: 2001-09-14 (20:32:55) - 2001-09-16 (1:31:00)
         Le: 2001-09-16 (1:31:00) - 2001-09-17 (6:27:56)
         
        The attack came in Sg dasa (12th house) containing Mars, Ketu and Mandi. Mars is at 3 deg 18 min in the sign Sg. So his result comes roughly after 3/30, i.e. 1/10th of the dasa, is over. This means about 3 hours from the beginning of dasa. This gives around 8:30-9:00 am on 11 Sept 2001.
         
        The fortnightly chart does not show a terrorist attack per se. It shows lack of peace in the country, shock in country, financial turmoil in the country as a result of the terrorist attack.
         
        *        *        *
         
        EXAMPLE 2
         
        Event: Babri masjid demolition in Ayodhya, India on 6 December 1992
        Previous Fortnightly Chart: 24 November 1992, 2:41:57 pm (IST, New Delhi
        Duration of the Fortnight: 15.6037 civil days (or 15 tithis)
         
        Make the chart. You will see that Rahu is in the 9th house of religion with debilitated 5th lord Moon, 6th lord Sun and badhakesha Mercury. Affliction of 5tjh lord Moon by Rahu shows mass hysteria. Affliction of Sun by Rahu shows political turmoil and intrigue. Affliction of 6th lord by Rahu in 9th shows communal clashes. Placement of badhakesha in 9th shows destruction of religious places (textbook result of badhakesha in 9th: "breaking of idols") and religious problems.
         
        With all these planets, clearly Scorpio, 9th house of religion, is the house of trouble. Now look at the compressed Sama Narayana dasa.
         
        Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):
         
         Vi: 1992-11-24 (14:41:57) - 1992-11-25 (20:00:46)
         Cp: 1992-11-25 (20:00:46) - 1992-11-27 (2:17:07)
         Ta: 1992-11-27 (2:17:07) - 1992-11-28 (9:33:55)
         Ge: 1992-11-28 (9:33:55) - 1992-11-29 (17:45:53)
         Li: 1992-11-29 (17:45:53) - 1992-12-01 (2:38:13)
         Aq: 1992-12-01 (2:38:13) - 1992-12-02 (11:47:43)
         Pi: 1992-12-02 (11:47:43) - 1992-12-03 (20:47:06)
         Cn: 1992-12-03 (20:47:06) - 1992-12-05 (5:11:04)
         Sc: 1992-12-05 (5:11:04) - 1992-12-06 (12:41:38) <<<<
         Sg: 1992-12-06 (12:41:38) - 1992-12-07 (19:10:23)
         Ar: 1992-12-07 (19:10:23) - 1992-12-09 (0:37:52)
         Le: 1992-12-09 (0:37:52) - 1992-12-10 (5:11:17)
         
        It was in the dasa of Scorpio that the kar sevaks started the demolition. Rahu is close to 29 deg in Sc. So his result comes around when 29/30 of the dasa is over. So it comes in the last hour of the dasa. The demolition started shortly after noon.
         
        Next dasa Sg is is the 10th house and contains 8th lord Venus. Next day, central and state governments came under heavy criticism.
         
        *        *        *
         
        EXAMPLE 3
         
        Event: Tremendous political pressure on Musharraf following 11 September 2001
        Previous half-yearly (ayana pravesha) chart: 16 July 2001, 12:19:43 pm, Islamabad
        Duration of the Half year: 181.894 civil days (or 180 deg motion of Sun)
         
        Being an ayana level chart, it shows political developments - power manuevres and policy changes.
         
        In this chart, Virgo rises. The 10th house of leadership, Gemini, has lagna and 10th lord Mercury, afflicted by Rahu within 1 degree. Badhakesha Jupiter also afflicts Mercury.
         
        This shows powerful foreign influences (Rahu) coming on the nation (lagna lord) and its leadership (10th lord) during the year and moulding the policies of the government (10th house).
         
        The Sama Narayana dasa calculations are shown below:
         
        Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):
         
         Vi: 2001-07-16 (12:19:44) - 2001-08-01 (5:09:49)
         Cp: 2001-08-01 (5:09:49) - 2001-08-16 (20:40:26)
         Ta: 2001-08-16 (20:40:26) - 2001-09-01 (9:56:50)
         Ge: 2001-09-01 (9:56:50) - 2001-09-16 (20:35:18) <<<<
         Li: 2001-09-16 (20:35:18) - 2001-10-02 (4:09:08)
         Aq: 2001-10-02 (4:09:08) - 2001-10-17 (8:33:26)
         Pi: 2001-10-17 (8:33:26) - 2001-11-01 (9:52:26)
         Cn: 2001-11-01 (9:52:26) - 2001-11-16 (8:22:49)
         Sc: 2001-11-16 (8:22:49) - 2001-12-01 (4:34:33)
         Sg: 2001-12-01 (4:34:33) - 2001-12-15 (23:02:22)
         Ar: 2001-12-15 (23:02:22) - 2001-12-30 (16:31:41)
         Le: 2001-12-30 (16:31:41) - 2002-01-14 (9:47:05)
         
        Gemini is the sign we talked about earlier. Its dasa ran from Sept 1 to Sept 16. Shortly after the September 11 attacks, US government put tremendous pressure on Musharraf government to turn against Taliban and co-operate in the "war on terror". On September 13, Colin Powell called Musharraf and gave a specific list of demands. On September 14, Musharraf's cabinet and national security council met in Pakistan and decided to agree to US demands. On September 15, Powell publicly confirmed that Pakistan agreed to co-operate. On the same day, Bush called Musharraf to than him.
         
        Thus, foreign pressure and the process of change in policy started in Gemini dasa.
         
        *        *        *
         
        CONCLUSION
         
        Each type of mundane charts (fortnightly, monthly, semi-annual and annual charts) has a specific focus area that is governed by the rulership of planets over the division of time into various units. As the examples above show, Sama Narayana dasa works well with mundane charts. As I showed in another mail, compressed nakshatra dasas also give good results. But the dasa I discussed above is my favorite.
         
        A lot of what I wrote above is my own research, but it is based on the teachings of tradition. My contribution was to make sense of the teachings of tradition and put the pieces together, rather than creating new pieces.
         
        May Jupiter's light shine on us,
        Narasimha
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      • Narasimha P.V.R. Rao
        Dear Imran bhai, The point you make is correct. The rasi chart is identical between many nations in the case of lunar/solar charts. But divisional charts help
        Message 3 of 5 , Jan 28 5:33 PM
          Dear Imran bhai,
           
          The point you make is correct. The rasi chart is identical between many nations in the case of lunar/solar charts. But divisional charts help us refine the readings.
           
          But, when significantly different fortunes befall two neighboring nations in a period, you can expect rasi charts to be different.
           
          Take my example 3 below. India's ayana pravesha chakra had Libra rising and Pakistan's had Virgo. So the points made apply to Pakistan and not to India.
           
          However, Afghanistan also shares the same rasi chart with Pakistan for the ayana pravesha in July 2001. So the same period saw political pressures on Pakistan and Afghanistan. But both acted differently. That may be seen from the divisional charts.
           
          When the natal chart of a country is available, it may be given priority though.
           
          May Jupiter's light shine on us,
          Narasimha
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          Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 12:50 PM
          Subject: Re: [vedic-astrology] Too many mundane charts: What, when and how?

          Dear Shri Narasimha Rao,

           

          Namaste,

           

          Linking various (mundane) charts with grahas (eg. Sun with half-yearly, Venus with fortnightly charts etc) seems a thought provoking idea that may re-describe the jurisdiction of different charts. In order to prove the said proposition and applicability of Narayana Dasha, you provided many examples.

          But it is also true, that countries whose capital cities are situating close to each other usually gives identical annual, monthly or ayan charts and therefore similar dasa progression, but on the other hand, not have experienced identical history of major national events!

           

          The mundane charts/transit or planetary phenomena may be categorized into three major types (in my humble view), namely;

           

          1- Radical

          2- Specific

          3- General

           

          Radical Charts: This includes charts, drawn at the time of emerging a new order/system or country e.g.; nation chart (independence chart), revolution chart, chart of republic proclamations, chart of new cities etc. Similarly the chart of ruler (one who has chief executive power whether president, prime minister, king, or price) and charts of their swearing-ins as well. These sort of charts have greatest say in all major national events. How and when a country would rise or fall based on mentioned radical charts.

           

          Specific: Any astrological phenomena (dynamic aspects, eclipse, lunation etc) and chart of that planetary phenomena based on 'Radical Charts' or reckoned from certain point of radical chart may be treated as 'specific'. For example, solar return chart, luni-solar day return (tithi pravesh) chart, transit and planetary phenomena with respect to natal planets or cusps e.g. gochar with respect to country or ruler's janma rashi or janma nakshtra etc.

           

          General: Any astrological phenomena or chart of planetary movement not directly related to 'Radical Charts' is to be treated as general, e.g. 60 years cycle, solar and lunar eclipse charts, chitra chukla pratipad chart, sankrant chart, solar ingress into cardinal signs viz. Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn, annual and monthly new and full Moon charts, dynamic aspects specially the conjunction and opposition among outer planets.

            

          Amongst mentioned above kinds, the first type (radical charts) portray real manifestation of national/domestic events. Infact they reveal nation’s path of the fortune. The second type of charts or planetary movements show circumstances and activities for certain time frame under limits of radical charts. While the third type of charts or planetary movements are global phenomena and only clues nature/environment of the events, unless they are not treated with respect any natal reference point or 'space'. For example, at present we are going through Kali Yuga (dark age) and its effect is general to all. Similarly Saturn in Gemini is for all countries, and its general effect is for all, e.g.; troubles in communication infra-structure, railway accidents,! false propagation via media and delay in diplomatic development etc. But if this transit of Saturn is reckoned from lagna, moon, janma nakshtra of any 'radical charts' then (good or bad) results attains 'specific' status for that country. Similarly eclipses and dynamic mutual aspects in any sign are general astrological phenomena but looking their relation with 'radical charts' make them specific.

           

          One may argue here that annual lunar/solar charts (or sankrant or ayan charts) are specific to countries as they are erected on the coordinates of capital city, but in reality they are specific to region rather than country. Let us take South Asia, in most of the cases you find identical Rashi Chart (and off-course identical Rashi Dasha progresion) in New Delhi, Islamabad and Kabul. Historically did all the these countries experience same situation? Obviously not. So as the case for many European countries that situated in near by latitudes. Thus the Varshphala (Solar return chart) and Tithi Prevesh (Luni-Solar day return chart) have clear ascendancy over annual/monthly lunar and solar ingress charts, as they are specific to country not the region. Therefore any mundane prediction only dependant upon general chart may lead to failure, unless they are not analyzed in the mirror of radical charts.

           

          Regards,

          M.Imran


          "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@...> wrote:
          Namaste friends,
           
          There was a discussion on fortnightly charts yesterday.
           
          Students may be overwhelmed by the myriad mundane charts that exist - various annual charts, monthly charts and fortnightly charts. When to use what and what to see in each chart may be confusing. I want to shed some light on that based on my experience. I also want to talk about a simple rasi dasa that I never talked about before.
           
          *        *        *
           
          INSIGHTS INTO MUNDANE CHART APPLICATION
           
          (c) 2005 P.V.R. Narasimha Rao, Sri Jagannath Centre
          The material below is copyrighted by P.V.R. Narasimha Rao. You may not reproduce it in part or in full in any form without written permission from the author.
           
          Parasara taught at the beginning of BPHS about the time periods governed by planets. For example, Sun governs the division of time into ayanas (half-years); Jupiter governs the division of time into months (fortnights); Saturn governs the division of time into years, and so on.
           
          Did you ever wonder what that means? Did you ever wonder how to use that information?
           
          Well, one of its uses is in prasna (horary astrology), in timing events from prasna chart. The other use is in understanding the basis behind various mundane charts like paksha chakras, maasa chakras and varsha chakras.
           
          The division of time into fortnights is governed by Venus. So paksha chakras (fortnightly charts) throw light on jala tattva matters and matters signified by Venus. Financial markets, material prosperity, happiness or lack of it, harmony and well-being of society, rains and weather are the focus of fortnightly charts. Make the New Moon and Full Moon charts every fortnight at the capital of a nation and study them to see the results for a fortnight.
           
          The division of time into ayanas (half-years) is governed by Sun. So ayana chakras (half-yearly charts) throw light on agni tattva matters and matters signified by Sun. Political developments are the focus of half-yearly charts.
           
          Thus, fortnightly charts, monthly charts, half-yearly charts and annual charts are all useful. Each is seen for a specific purpose and hence there is no clash or confusion between various charts.
           
          Many dasas are applicable when compressed to the period of the chart, but the dasa that works the best in my experience is Sama Narayana dasa. Find it like Narayana dasa, but use equal dasas rather than the normal chara dasa lengths used in Narayana dasa! Mu guru Pt Sanjay Rath taught me this dasa in the context of annual Tithi Pravesha chakras and said I could find the months of important events using it. I found it applicable in mundane charts.
           
          I will illustrate this using examples!
           
          *        *        *
           
          EXAMPLE 1
           
          Event: Terrorist attack on 11 September 2001 morning in USA
          Previous Fortnightly Chart: 2 September 2001, 5:43:44 pm (EDT), Washington DC
          Duration of the Fortnight: 14.5307 civil days (or 15 tithis)
           
          Make the chart. You will see that Mars and Ketu are in the 12th house in Sagittarius with Mandi and Gulika. This can show a loss caused by a secret enemy (12th) who is violent and fanatical (Mars and Ketu). Compress the dasas and get
           
          Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):
           
           Cn: 2001-09-02 (17:43:44) - 2001-09-03 (22:54:01)
           Ge: 2001-09-03 (22:54:01) - 2001-09-05 (4:03:10)
           Ta: 2001-09-05 (4:03:10) - 2001-09-06 (9:11:13)
           Ar: 2001-09-06 (9:11:13) - 2001-09-07 (14:18:04)
           Pi: 2001-09-07 (14:18:04) - 2001-09-08 (19:23:43)
           Aq: 2001-09-08 (19:23:43) - 2001-09-10 (0:28:09)
           Cp: 2001-09-10 (0:28:09) - 2001-09-11 (5:31:14)
           Sg: 2001-09-11 (5:31:14) - 2001-09-12 (10:33:02) <<<<
           Sc: 2001-09-12 (10:33:02) - 2001-09-13 (15:33:34)
           Li: 2001-09-13 (15:33:34) - 2001-09-14 (20:32:55)
           Vi: 2001-09-14 (20:32:55) - 2001-09-16 (1:31:00)
           Le: 2001-09-16 (1:31:00) - 2001-09-17 (6:27:56)
           
          The attack came in Sg dasa (12th house) containing Mars, Ketu and Mandi. Mars is at 3 deg 18 min in the sign Sg. So his result comes roughly after 3/30, i.e. 1/10th of the dasa, is over. This means about 3 hours from the beginning of dasa. This gives around 8:30-9:00 am on 11 Sept 2001.
           
          The fortnightly chart does not show a terrorist attack per se. It shows lack of peace in the country, shock in country, financial turmoil in the country as a result of the terrorist attack.
           
          *        *        *
           
          EXAMPLE 2
           
          Event: Babri masjid demolition in Ayodhya, India on 6 December 1992
          Previous Fortnightly Chart: 24 November 1992, 2:41:57 pm (IST, New Delhi
          Duration of the Fortnight: 15.6037 civil days (or 15 tithis)
           
          Make the chart. You will see that Rahu is in the 9th house of religion with debilitated 5th lord Moon, 6th lord Sun and badhakesha Mercury. Affliction of 5tjh lord Moon by Rahu shows mass hysteria. Affliction of Sun by Rahu shows political turmoil and intrigue. Affliction of 6th lord by Rahu in 9th shows communal clashes. Placement of badhakesha in 9th shows destruction of religious places (textbook result of badhakesha in 9th: "breaking of idols") and religious problems.
           
          With all these planets, clearly Scorpio, 9th house of religion, is the house of trouble. Now look at the compressed Sama Narayana dasa.
           
          Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):
           
           Vi: 1992-11-24 (14:41:57) - 1992-11-25 (20:00:46)
           Cp: 1992-11-25 (20:00:46) - 1992-11-27 (2:17:07)
           Ta: 1992-11-27 (2:17:07) - 1992-11-28 (9:33:55)
           Ge: 1992-11-28 (9:33:55) - 1992-11-29 (17:45:53)
           Li: 1992-11-29 (17:45:53) - 1992-12-01 (2:38:13)
           Aq: 1992-12-01 (2:38:13) - 1992-12-02 (11:47:43)
           Pi: 1992-12-02 (11:47:43) - 1992-12-03 (20:47:06)
           Cn: 1992-12-03 (20:47:06) - 1992-12-05 (5:11:04)
           Sc: 1992-12-05 (5:11:04) - 1992-12-06 (12:41:38) <<<<
           Sg: 1992-12-06 (12:41:38) - 1992-12-07 (19:10:23)
           Ar: 1992-12-07 (19:10:23) - 1992-12-09 (0:37:52)
           Le: 1992-12-09 (0:37:52) - 1992-12-10 (5:11:17)
           
          It was in the dasa of Scorpio that the kar sevaks started the demolition. Rahu is close to 29 deg in Sc. So his result comes around when 29/30 of the dasa is over. So it comes in the last hour of the dasa. The demolition started shortly after noon.
           
          Next dasa Sg is is the 10th house and contains 8th lord Venus. Next day, central and state governments came under heavy criticism.
           
          *        *        *
           
          EXAMPLE 3
           
          Event: Tremendous political pressure on Musharraf following 11 September 2001
          Previous half-yearly (ayana pravesha) chart: 16 July 2001, 12:19:43 pm, Islamabad
          Duration of the Half year: 181.894 civil days (or 180 deg motion of Sun)
           
          Being an ayana level chart, it shows political developments - power manuevres and policy changes.
           
          In this chart, Virgo rises. The 10th house of leadership, Gemini, has lagna and 10th lord Mercury, afflicted by Rahu within 1 degree. Badhakesha Jupiter also afflicts Mercury.
           
          This shows powerful foreign influences (Rahu) coming on the nation (lagna lord) and its leadership (10th lord) during the year and moulding the policies of the government (10th house).
           
          The Sama Narayana dasa calculations are shown below:
           
          Sama Narayana Dasa of D-1 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):
           
           Vi: 2001-07-16 (12:19:44) - 2001-08-01 (5:09:49)
           Cp: 2001-08-01 (5:09:49) - 2001-08-16 (20:40:26)
           Ta: 2001-08-16 (20:40:26) - 2001-09-01 (9:56:50)
           Ge: 2001-09-01 (9:56:50) - 2001-09-16 (20:35:18) <<<<
           Li: 2001-09-16 (20:35:18) - 2001-10-02 (4:09:08)
           Aq: 2001-10-02 (4:09:08) - 2001-10-17 (8:33:26)
           Pi: 2001-10-17 (8:33:26) - 2001-11-01 (9:52:26)
           Cn: 2001-11-01 (9:52:26) - 2001-11-16 (8:22:49)
           Sc: 2001-11-16 (8:22:49) - 2001-12-01 (4:34:33)
           Sg: 2001-12-01 (4:34:33) - 2001-12-15 (23:02:22)
           Ar: 2001-12-15 (23:02:22) - 2001-12-30 (16:31:41)
           Le: 2001-12-30 (16:31:41) - 2002-01-14 (9:47:05)
           
          Gemini is the sign we talked about earlier. Its dasa ran from Sept 1 to Sept 16. Shortly after the September 11 attacks, US government put tremendous pressure on Musharraf government to turn against Taliban and co-operate in the "war on terror". On September 13, Colin Powell called Musharraf and gave a specific list of demands. On September 14, Musharraf's cabinet and national security council met in Pakistan and decided to agree to US demands. On September 15, Powell publicly confirmed that Pakistan agreed to co-operate. On the same day, Bush called Musharraf to than him.
           
          Thus, foreign pressure and the process of change in policy started in Gemini dasa.
           
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          CONCLUSION
           
          Each type of mundane charts (fortnightly, monthly, semi-annual and annual charts) has a specific focus area that is governed by the rulership of planets over the division of time into various units. As the examples above show, Sama Narayana dasa works well with mundane charts. As I showed in another mail, compressed nakshatra dasas also give good results. But the dasa I discussed above is my favorite.
           
          A lot of what I wrote above is my own research, but it is based on the teachings of tradition. My contribution was to make sense of the teachings of tradition and put the pieces together, rather than creating new pieces.
           
          May Jupiter's light shine on us,
          Narasimha
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        • Raghunatha Rao Nemani
          Om Krishna Guru Namaste Narasimha Ji, That was a brilliant article on using the Sama Narayana Dasa in mundate matters. I have learned new thing today, thanks
          Message 4 of 5 , Jan 30 7:31 PM
            Om Krishna Guru

            Namaste Narasimha Ji,

            That was a brilliant article on using the Sama Narayana Dasa in
            mundate matters. I have learned new thing today, thanks for that.

            Are you providing this New Dasa in your next release of JHora ?

            Regards
            Raghunatha Rao

            --- In vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
            <pvr@c...> wrote:
            > Namaste friends,
            >
            > There was a discussion on fortnightly charts yesterday.
            >
            > Students may be overwhelmed by the myriad mundane charts that
            exist - various annual charts, monthly charts and fortnightly charts.
            When to use what and what to see in each chart may be confusing. I
            want to shed some light on that based on my experience. I also want
            to talk about a simple rasi dasa that I never talked about before.
            >
            > * * *
            >
            > INSIGHTS INTO MUNDANE CHART APPLICATION
            >
          • pvr108
            Dear Rao, Yes. May Jupiter s light shine on us, Narasimha ... charts. ... want
            Message 5 of 5 , Jan 30 9:08 PM
              Dear Rao,

              Yes.

              May Jupiter's light shine on us,
              Narasimha

              > Om Krishna Guru
              >
              > Namaste Narasimha Ji,
              >
              > That was a brilliant article on using the Sama Narayana Dasa in
              > mundate matters. I have learned new thing today, thanks for that.
              >
              > Are you providing this New Dasa in your next release of JHora ?
              >
              > Regards
              > Raghunatha Rao
              >
              > --- In vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"
              > <pvr@c...> wrote:
              > > Namaste friends,
              > >
              > > There was a discussion on fortnightly charts yesterday.
              > >
              > > Students may be overwhelmed by the myriad mundane charts that
              > exist - various annual charts, monthly charts and fortnightly
              charts.
              > When to use what and what to see in each chart may be confusing. I
              > want to shed some light on that based on my experience. I also
              want
              > to talk about a simple rasi dasa that I never talked about before.
              > >
              > > * * *
              > >
              > > INSIGHTS INTO MUNDANE CHART APPLICATION
              > >
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