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  • rsburritt@gmail.com
    Exactly. ... From: Jason To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent
    Message 1 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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      Exactly.

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jason
      To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM
      Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......




      --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@...> wrote:
      >
      > Jason,
      SNIP.....
      And that filter only fits in a Kent.
      > Larry
      >
      > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@...> wrote:

      It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?

      Jason





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    • pb_petty
      Jason, Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:
      Message 2 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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        Jason,

        Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:

        http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Porcelain-Coffee-Filter-Kent-Products-1945_W0QQitemZ300357193755

        Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.

        Good luck bidding!

        Philip

        --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, <rsburritt@...> wrote:
        >
        > Exactly.
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Jason
        > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM
        > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Jason,
        > SNIP.....
        > And that filter only fits in a Kent.
        > > Larry
        > >
        > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@> wrote:
        >
        > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?
        >
        > Jason
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
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      • rsburritt@gmail.com
        Philip, Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn t aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other
        Message 3 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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          Philip,
          Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.

          Thanks,
          Roland


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: pb_petty
          To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM
          Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......


          Jason,

          Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:

          http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Porcelain-Coffee-Filter-Kent-Products-1945_W0QQitemZ300357193755

          Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.

          Good luck bidding!

          Philip

          --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, <rsburritt@...> wrote:
          >
          > Exactly.
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Jason
          > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM
          > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@> wrote:
          > >
          > > Jason,
          > SNIP.....
          > And that filter only fits in a Kent.
          > > Larry
          > >
          > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@> wrote:
          >
          > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?
          >
          > Jason
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >





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        • Larry Hollenberg
          Roland, I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty.  They work on a very sharp and steep
          Message 4 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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            Roland,
            I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty.  They work on a very sharp and steep slope.  Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that.  Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl. 
            Larry

            --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

            From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
            Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
            To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM













             





            Philip,

            Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.



            Thanks,

            Roland



            ----- Original Message -----

            From: pb_petty

            To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

            Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM

            Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



            Jason,



            Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:



            http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755



            Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.



            Good luck bidding!



            Philip



            --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@. ..> wrote:

            >

            > Exactly.

            >

            > ----- Original Message -----

            > From: Jason

            > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

            > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM

            > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

            >

            >

            >

            >

            > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ > wrote:

            > >

            > > Jason,

            > SNIP.....

            > And that filter only fits in a Kent.

            > > Larry

            > >

            > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@ > wrote:

            >

            > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?

            >

            > Jason

            >

            >

            >

            >

            >

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          • pb_petty
            I actually had good luck brewing good coffee (only twice) with the Kent porcelain filters. The second time the filter slid out of the coffee grounds when I
            Message 5 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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              I actually had good luck brewing good coffee (only twice) with the Kent porcelain filters. The second time the filter slid out of the coffee grounds when I broke the vacuum by pushing the top to one side and the filter almost broke the top bowl when it hit the side of the top bowl. I was really lucky the glass did not shatter. The filter did not come apart (I have never had one do that to me and don't intend to give one a chance to) but it cured me of using the filter. Those filters are very heavy and it is like having a big rock in your pot.

              Even if the filter stays put, it is not easy to lift it out of the top without hitting the glass due to its large size. A friend lost a Kent top that way. Not worth the risk to me.

              I suspect Kent may have eventually been feeling a bit dated using cloth filters with all the ads about "all-glass" pots and so they felt the need to create the "automatic" porcelain filter. They are fun to play with and fun to look at but that's it for me. I display the filters at the base in front of the Kent pots they go with. That's how little I trust them.

              YMMV

              Philip

              --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, <rsburritt@...> wrote:
              >
              > Philip,
              > Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.
              >
              > Thanks,
              > Roland
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: pb_petty
              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM
              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
              >
              >
              > Jason,
              >
              > Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:
              >
              > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Porcelain-Coffee-Filter-Kent-Products-1945_W0QQitemZ300357193755
              >
              > Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.
              >
              > Good luck bidding!
              >
              > Philip
              >
              > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, <rsburritt@> wrote:
              > >
              > > Exactly.
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: Jason
              > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM
              > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Jason,
              > > SNIP.....
              > > And that filter only fits in a Kent.
              > > > Larry
              > > >
              > > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@> wrote:
              > >
              > > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?
              > >
              > > Jason
              > >
              > >
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              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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            • rsburritt@gmail.com
              Hi Larry, Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I ll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really
              Message 6 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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                Hi Larry,
                Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).

                When I get around to using them I'll post and let you know how it works out.
                Roland


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Larry Hollenberg
                To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:32 PM
                Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......


                Roland,
                I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.
                Larry

                --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

                From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM



                Philip,

                Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.

                Thanks,

                Roland

                ----- Original Message -----

                From: pb_petty

                To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM

                Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                Jason,

                Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:

                http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755

                Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.

                Good luck bidding!

                Philip

                --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@. ..> wrote:

                >

                > Exactly.

                >

                > ----- Original Message -----

                > From: Jason

                > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM

                > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                >

                >

                >

                >

                > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ > wrote:

                > >

                > > Jason,

                > SNIP.....

                > And that filter only fits in a Kent.

                > > Larry

                > >

                > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@ > wrote:

                >

                > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?

                >

                > Jason

                >

                >

                >

                >

                >

                > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

                >

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              • rsburritt@gmail.com
                Hi Philip, I can see how pulling the filter out and not being too careful to hit the edge could cause it to shatter. I m not sure what kind of glass Kent
                Message 7 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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                  Hi Philip,
                  I can see how pulling the filter out and not being too careful to hit the edge could cause it to shatter. I'm not sure what kind of glass Kent used. The Cory's and Silex's are Pyrex and while I'm not bragging about it, I will say they have taken their fair share of "abuse" just from daily use...and by abuse I mean heat/contraction first...then of course the clanking around from cleaning and the occasional BOINK into the sink or drainboard and clanking other things in the dishwasher (which I still stand by my earlier recommendation is the safest way to wash your pots if you use them as daily drivers and are willing to deal with etched bakelite).

                  On the other hand, maybe there is an unknown reason why Kent were sold in fine jewelry stores, on layaway plans no less. Perhaps Kent never imagined that the pots would be used daily, but rather kept on display for special occaion only and used only once-in-a-great-while? Maybe we are supposed to know this, or have figured it out as collectors??? I don't know. It's just a crazy theory. Perhaps some piece of literature will be uncovered one day in someone's grandmother's attic saying that the pot is made for decorative purposes only (LOL) and won't we all feel like idiots.

                  Roland


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: pb_petty
                  To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:52 PM
                  Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......


                  I actually had good luck brewing good coffee (only twice) with the Kent porcelain filters. The second time the filter slid out of the coffee grounds when I broke the vacuum by pushing the top to one side and the filter almost broke the top bowl when it hit the side of the top bowl. I was really lucky the glass did not shatter. The filter did not come apart (I have never had one do that to me and don't intend to give one a chance to) but it cured me of using the filter. Those filters are very heavy and it is like having a big rock in your pot.

                  Even if the filter stays put, it is not easy to lift it out of the top without hitting the glass due to its large size. A friend lost a Kent top that way. Not worth the risk to me.

                  I suspect Kent may have eventually been feeling a bit dated using cloth filters with all the ads about "all-glass" pots and so they felt the need to create the "automatic" porcelain filter. They are fun to play with and fun to look at but that's it for me. I display the filters at the base in front of the Kent pots they go with. That's how little I trust them.

                  YMMV

                  Philip

                  --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, <rsburritt@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Philip,
                  > Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.
                  >
                  > Thanks,
                  > Roland
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: pb_petty
                  > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                  >
                  >
                  > Jason,
                  >
                  > Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:
                  >
                  > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Porcelain-Coffee-Filter-Kent-Products-1945_W0QQitemZ300357193755
                  >
                  > Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.
                  >
                  > Good luck bidding!
                  >
                  > Philip
                  >
                  > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, <rsburritt@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Exactly.
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Jason
                  > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM
                  > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@> wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Jason,
                  > > SNIP.....
                  > > And that filter only fits in a Kent.
                  > > > Larry
                  > > >
                  > > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?
                  > >
                  > > Jason
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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                • Larry Hollenberg
                  Roland, My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its
                  Message 8 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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                    Roland,
                    My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its weight and size of the uptake to make better coffee with what is measurably hotter water as it makes it way to the top. 
                    A cloth filter might allow for a much easier, thus cooler rise but can't be sure of that.  As you know I have tried that business of cloth filters a number of times, always with lousy results after a use or two. 
                    Larry

                    --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

                    From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                    Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                    To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:10 PM













                     





                    Hi Larry,

                    Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).



                    When I get around to using them I'll post and let you know how it works out.

                    Roland



                    ----- Original Message -----

                    From: Larry Hollenberg

                    To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                    Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:32 PM

                    Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                    Roland,

                    I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.

                    Larry



                    --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:



                    From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>

                    Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                    To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                    Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM



                    Philip,



                    Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.



                    Thanks,



                    Roland



                    ----- Original Message -----



                    From: pb_petty



                    To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



                    Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM



                    Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                    Jason,



                    Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:



                    http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755



                    Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.



                    Good luck bidding!



                    Philip



                    --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@. ..> wrote:



                    >



                    > Exactly.



                    >



                    > ----- Original Message -----



                    > From: Jason



                    > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



                    > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM



                    > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                    >



                    >



                    >



                    >



                    > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ > wrote:



                    > >



                    > > Jason,



                    > SNIP.....



                    > And that filter only fits in a Kent.



                    > > Larry



                    > >



                    > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@ > wrote:



                    >



                    > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?



                    >



                    > Jason



                    >



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                  • rsburritt@gmail.com
                    Hi Larry, I remember we were talking about that. One other variable we left out of that discussion though was the amount of coffee grinds in the top. I know
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                      Hi Larry,
                      I remember we were talking about that. One other variable we left out of that discussion though was the amount of coffee grinds in the top. I know that on a few occasions I have put more grinds in the top than what the "recipe" calls for and that has resulted in a rich brew, even though the water may have been at a less than (what is considered to be perfectly) optimal (by scientific standards) brewing temperature. The trade-off, of course, is the pocket-book becomes lighter. But since I don't drink much coffee anymore, the cost per day extra is really not that much. It's still much cheaper to brew an excellent cup of coffee at home than to pay a few bucks for it down at the local coffee-house.

                      Roland

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Larry Hollenberg
                      To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:27 PM
                      Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......


                      Roland,
                      My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its weight and size of the uptake to make better coffee with what is measurably hotter water as it makes it way to the top.
                      A cloth filter might allow for a much easier, thus cooler rise but can't be sure of that. As you know I have tried that business of cloth filters a number of times, always with lousy results after a use or two.
                      Larry

                      --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

                      From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                      Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                      To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:10 PM



                      Hi Larry,

                      Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).

                      When I get around to using them I'll post and let you know how it works out.

                      Roland

                      ----- Original Message -----

                      From: Larry Hollenberg

                      To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                      Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:32 PM

                      Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                      Roland,

                      I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.

                      Larry

                      --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:

                      From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>

                      Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                      To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                      Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM

                      Philip,

                      Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.

                      Thanks,

                      Roland

                      ----- Original Message -----

                      From: pb_petty

                      To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                      Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM

                      Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                      Jason,

                      Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:

                      http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755

                      Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.

                      Good luck bidding!

                      Philip

                      --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@. ..> wrote:

                      >

                      > Exactly.

                      >

                      > ----- Original Message -----

                      > From: Jason

                      > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                      > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM

                      > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      >

                      > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ > wrote:

                      > >

                      > > Jason,

                      > SNIP.....

                      > And that filter only fits in a Kent.

                      > > Larry

                      > >

                      > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@ > wrote:

                      >

                      > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?

                      >

                      > Jason

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                    • pb_petty
                      I have used three different Kents (got them cheap, none are Ruby) with the old thick cloth filter (not the Yama replacements) and never had any problem with
                      Message 10 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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                        I have used three different Kents (got them cheap, none are Ruby) with the old thick cloth filter (not the Yama replacements) and never had any problem with any of the three Kents brewing great coffee every time. I think only a totally rock hard gasket could prevent them from working as they should.

                        There is a scientific design aspect to the Kent that helps explain why it brews so well. It is that beautiful, curved tapered funnel. When the water rises it slows and cools very slightly as it goes from a small opening to a large opening. This makes the pot safer as well. Once the water has all risen the temp rises slightly as it "boils" in my case for 70-90 seconds (depending on the type of coffee used.) I have measured this and it is not much, but it is a rise from about 192 degrees to 200 degrees. This taper also makes for a more gentle and uniform turbulence which won't splash all over the place like some pots.

                        On the way down, the taper of the funnel accelerates the speed of the brewed coffee as compared to a straight stem. This makes the cloth filter work better than it does on other pots where the movement through the cloth is slower. I timed my Kents and they consistently pulled down faster than my Corys and Silexes.

                        I clean my cloth filters with an Oxy type cleaner and then keep them in water in the fridge just like the old instructions for so many pots recommend. They stay clean and last.

                        All I can say is YMMV but if you can get your Kent to brew anywhere near as well as I have you will enjoy a great brew and great brewing experience.

                        Philip

                        --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, <rsburritt@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Hi Larry,
                        > I remember we were talking about that. One other variable we left out of that discussion though was the amount of coffee grinds in the top. I know that on a few occasions I have put more grinds in the top than what the "recipe" calls for and that has resulted in a rich brew, even though the water may have been at a less than (what is considered to be perfectly) optimal (by scientific standards) brewing temperature. The trade-off, of course, is the pocket-book becomes lighter. But since I don't drink much coffee anymore, the cost per day extra is really not that much. It's still much cheaper to brew an excellent cup of coffee at home than to pay a few bucks for it down at the local coffee-house.
                        >
                        > Roland
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Larry Hollenberg
                        > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:27 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                        >
                        >
                        > Roland,
                        > My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its weight and size of the uptake to make better coffee with what is measurably hotter water as it makes it way to the top.
                        > A cloth filter might allow for a much easier, thus cooler rise but can't be sure of that. As you know I have tried that business of cloth filters a number of times, always with lousy results after a use or two.
                        > Larry
                        >
                        > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                        > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                        > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                        > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:10 PM
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > Hi Larry,
                        >
                        > Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).
                        >
                        > When I get around to using them I'll post and let you know how it works out.
                        >
                        > Roland
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        >
                        > From: Larry Hollenberg
                        >
                        > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                        >
                        > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:32 PM
                        >
                        > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..
                        >
                        > Roland,
                        >
                        > I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.
                        >
                        > Larry
                        >
                        > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:
                        >
                        > From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>
                        >
                        > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..
                        >
                        > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                        >
                        > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM
                        >
                        > Philip,
                        >
                        > Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.
                        >
                        > Thanks,
                        >
                        > Roland
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        >
                        > From: pb_petty
                        >
                        > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                        >
                        > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM
                        >
                        > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..
                        >
                        > Jason,
                        >
                        > Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:
                        >
                        > http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755
                        >
                        > Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.
                        >
                        > Good luck bidding!
                        >
                        > Philip
                        >
                        > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > Exactly.
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >
                        > > From: Jason
                        >
                        > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                        >
                        > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM
                        >
                        > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..
                        >
                        > >
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                        > >
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ > wrote:
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > Jason,
                        >
                        > > SNIP.....
                        >
                        > > And that filter only fits in a Kent.
                        >
                        > > > Larry
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@ > wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?
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                      • pb_petty
                        Jason, here is a new listing for a Kent filter (looks pretty nice) http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1945-KENT-Coffee-Pot-PORCELAIN-FILTER_W0QQitemZ140352873207 Good
                        Message 11 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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                          Jason, here is a new listing for a Kent filter (looks pretty nice)

                          http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-1945-KENT-Coffee-Pot-PORCELAIN-FILTER_W0QQitemZ140352873207

                          Good luck getting one!

                          Philip

                          --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, "pb_petty" <pbpetty@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Jason,
                          >
                          > Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:
                          >
                          > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Porcelain-Coffee-Filter-Kent-Products-1945_W0QQitemZ300357193755
                          >
                          > Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.
                          >
                          > Good luck bidding!
                          >
                          > Philip
                          >
                          > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, <rsburritt@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Exactly.
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: Jason
                          > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM
                          > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@> wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Jason,
                          > > SNIP.....
                          > > And that filter only fits in a Kent.
                          > > > Larry
                          > > >
                          > > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?
                          > >
                          > > Jason
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                        • Larry Hollenberg
                          Roland,  Yes I have found that I was not using enough coffee in most of my pots, it can leave you with a less than satisfying experience. If you have not yet
                          Message 12 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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                            Roland, 
                            Yes I have found that I was not using enough coffee in most of my pots, it can leave you with a less than satisfying experience. If you have not yet tired it I recommend the Eight O Clock Columbian which at Walmart sells in the 4.50 range.  It got the best coffee recommendation from Consumers guild if that is worth anything?   I found that the bean in that coffee is harder for me to get to turn out as I like it so I buy the ground version. It always seems like when I use the beans the amount of coffee use in grounds really increased to get the same results as the store ground.  
                            Larry

                            --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

                            From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                            Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                            To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:58 PM













                             





                            Hi Larry,

                            I remember we were talking about that. One other variable we left out of that discussion though was the amount of coffee grinds in the top. I know that on a few occasions I have put more grinds in the top than what the "recipe" calls for and that has resulted in a rich brew, even though the water may have been at a less than (what is considered to be perfectly) optimal (by scientific standards) brewing temperature. The trade-off, of course, is the pocket-book becomes lighter. But since I don't drink much coffee anymore, the cost per day extra is really not that much. It's still much cheaper to brew an excellent cup of coffee at home than to pay a few bucks for it down at the local coffee-house.



                            Roland



                            ----- Original Message -----

                            From: Larry Hollenberg

                            To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                            Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:27 PM

                            Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                            Roland,

                            My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its weight and size of the uptake to make better coffee with what is measurably hotter water as it makes it way to the top.

                            A cloth filter might allow for a much easier, thus cooler rise but can't be sure of that. As you know I have tried that business of cloth filters a number of times, always with lousy results after a use or two.

                            Larry



                            --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:



                            From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>

                            Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                            To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                            Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:10 PM



                            Hi Larry,



                            Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).



                            When I get around to using them I'll post and let you know how it works out.



                            Roland



                            ----- Original Message -----



                            From: Larry Hollenberg



                            To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



                            Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:32 PM



                            Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                            Roland,



                            I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.



                            Larry



                            --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:



                            From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>



                            Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                            To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



                            Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM



                            Philip,



                            Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.



                            Thanks,



                            Roland



                            ----- Original Message -----



                            From: pb_petty



                            To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



                            Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM



                            Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                            Jason,



                            Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:



                            http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755



                            Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.



                            Good luck bidding!



                            Philip



                            --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@. ..> wrote:



                            >



                            > Exactly.



                            >



                            > ----- Original Message -----



                            > From: Jason



                            > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



                            > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM



                            > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                            >



                            >



                            >



                            >



                            > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ > wrote:



                            > >



                            > > Jason,



                            > SNIP.....



                            > And that filter only fits in a Kent.



                            > > Larry



                            > >



                            > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@ > wrote:



                            >



                            > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?



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                            > Jason



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                          • Larry Hollenberg
                            Philip, I agree that the kents when everything is working correctly makes some fine coffee no complaints there. Oddly some of those seals that worked fine when
                            Message 13 of 26 , Oct 16, 2009
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                              Philip,
                              I agree that the kents when everything is working correctly makes some fine coffee no complaints there. Oddly some of those seals that worked fine when I got them quit working after a while.  At one time I had no trouble getting some to work alright, but it got to where I could barely get it to brew properly. 
                              Larry

                              --- On Fri, 10/16/09, pb_petty <pbpetty@...> wrote:

                              From: pb_petty <pbpetty@...>
                              Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                              To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 9:53 PM













                               





                              I have used three different Kents (got them cheap, none are Ruby) with the old thick cloth filter (not the Yama replacements) and never had any problem with any of the three Kents brewing great coffee every time. I think only a totally rock hard gasket could prevent them from working as they should.



                              There is a scientific design aspect to the Kent that helps explain why it brews so well. It is that beautiful, curved tapered funnel. When the water rises it slows and cools very slightly as it goes from a small opening to a large opening. This makes the pot safer as well. Once the water has all risen the temp rises slightly as it "boils" in my case for 70-90 seconds (depending on the type of coffee used.) I have measured this and it is not much, but it is a rise from about 192 degrees to 200 degrees. This taper also makes for a more gentle and uniform turbulence which won't splash all over the place like some pots.



                              On the way down, the taper of the funnel accelerates the speed of the brewed coffee as compared to a straight stem. This makes the cloth filter work better than it does on other pots where the movement through the cloth is slower. I timed my Kents and they consistently pulled down faster than my Corys and Silexes.



                              I clean my cloth filters with an Oxy type cleaner and then keep them in water in the fridge just like the old instructions for so many pots recommend. They stay clean and last.



                              All I can say is YMMV but if you can get your Kent to brew anywhere near as well as I have you will enjoy a great brew and great brewing experience.



                              Philip



                              --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@. ..> wrote:

                              >

                              > Hi Larry,

                              > I remember we were talking about that. One other variable we left out of that discussion though was the amount of coffee grinds in the top. I know that on a few occasions I have put more grinds in the top than what the "recipe" calls for and that has resulted in a rich brew, even though the water may have been at a less than (what is considered to be perfectly) optimal (by scientific standards) brewing temperature. The trade-off, of course, is the pocket-book becomes lighter. But since I don't drink much coffee anymore, the cost per day extra is really not that much. It's still much cheaper to brew an excellent cup of coffee at home than to pay a few bucks for it down at the local coffee-house.

                              >

                              > Roland

                              >

                              > ----- Original Message -----

                              > From: Larry Hollenberg

                              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                              > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:27 PM

                              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                              >

                              >

                              > Roland,

                              > My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its weight and size of the uptake to make better coffee with what is measurably hotter water as it makes it way to the top.

                              > A cloth filter might allow for a much easier, thus cooler rise but can't be sure of that. As you know I have tried that business of cloth filters a number of times, always with lousy results after a use or two.

                              > Larry

                              >

                              > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@.. . <rsburritt@. ..> wrote:

                              >

                              > From: rsburritt@.. . <rsburritt@. ..>

                              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                              > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:10 PM

                              >

                              >

                              >

                              > Hi Larry,

                              >

                              > Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).

                              >

                              > When I get around to using them I'll post and let you know how it works out.

                              >

                              > Roland

                              >

                              > ----- Original Message -----

                              >

                              > From: Larry Hollenberg

                              >

                              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                              >

                              > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:32 PM

                              >

                              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                              >

                              > Roland,

                              >

                              > I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.

                              >

                              > Larry

                              >

                              > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:

                              >

                              > From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>

                              >

                              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                              >

                              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                              >

                              > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM

                              >

                              > Philip,

                              >

                              > Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.

                              >

                              > Thanks,

                              >

                              > Roland

                              >

                              > ----- Original Message -----

                              >

                              > From: pb_petty

                              >

                              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                              >

                              > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM

                              >

                              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                              >

                              > Jason,

                              >

                              > Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:

                              >

                              > http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755

                              >

                              > Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.

                              >

                              > Good luck bidding!

                              >

                              > Philip

                              >

                              > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:

                              >

                              > >

                              >

                              > > Exactly.

                              >

                              > >

                              >

                              > > ----- Original Message -----

                              >

                              > > From: Jason

                              >

                              > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                              >

                              > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM

                              >

                              > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                              >

                              > >

                              >

                              > >

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                              > >

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                              >

                              > > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ > wrote:

                              >

                              > > >

                              >

                              > > > Jason,

                              >

                              > > SNIP.....

                              >

                              > > And that filter only fits in a Kent.

                              >

                              > > > Larry

                              >

                              > > >

                              >

                              > > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, Jason <headchangestudio@ > wrote:

                              >

                              > >

                              >

                              > > It only works in a Kent? It it something with the shape?

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                            • pb_petty
                              Larry, It certainly would be interesting to determine why your seals stopped working properly. It might shed light on a problem we could all help avoid with
                              Message 14 of 26 , Oct 17, 2009
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                                Larry,

                                It certainly would be interesting to determine why your seals stopped working properly. It might shed light on a problem we could all help avoid with other types of rubber seals. Did the seals become harder to the touch as you used them over time? Did you try using a rubber band or something else on the outside of the seals?

                                Larry, do you have any thoughts as to variables that changed that might have led to the decline of your Kent seals? Did you boil cold water then change that, or did you preheat the water then change to boiling from scratch on the stove? Ever try using mineral oil to coat the outside of the seals when not in use?

                                It seems like we ought to be able to figure this out with as much experience as this group has collectively. You deserve to be able to brew the coffee you want in your Kents.

                                Philip

                                --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Philip,
                                > I agree that the kents when everything is working correctly makes some fine coffee no complaints there. Oddly some of those seals that worked fine when I got them quit working after a while.  At one time I had no trouble getting some to work alright, but it got to where I could barely get it to brew properly. 
                                > Larry
                                >
                                > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, pb_petty <pbpetty@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > From: pb_petty <pbpetty@...>
                                > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                                > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 9:53 PM
                                >
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                                > I have used three different Kents (got them cheap, none are Ruby) with the old thick cloth filter (not the Yama replacements) and never had any problem with any of the three Kents brewing great coffee every time. I think only a totally rock hard gasket could prevent them from working as they should.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > There is a scientific design aspect to the Kent that helps explain why it brews so well. It is that beautiful, curved tapered funnel. When the water rises it slows and cools very slightly as it goes from a small opening to a large opening. This makes the pot safer as well. Once the water has all risen the temp rises slightly as it "boils" in my case for 70-90 seconds (depending on the type of coffee used.) I have measured this and it is not much, but it is a rise from about 192 degrees to 200 degrees. This taper also makes for a more gentle and uniform turbulence which won't splash all over the place like some pots.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > On the way down, the taper of the funnel accelerates the speed of the brewed coffee as compared to a straight stem. This makes the cloth filter work better than it does on other pots where the movement through the cloth is slower. I timed my Kents and they consistently pulled down faster than my Corys and Silexes.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > I clean my cloth filters with an Oxy type cleaner and then keep them in water in the fridge just like the old instructions for so many pots recommend. They stay clean and last.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > All I can say is YMMV but if you can get your Kent to brew anywhere near as well as I have you will enjoy a great brew and great brewing experience.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Philip
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Hi Larry,
                                >
                                > > I remember we were talking about that. One other variable we left out of that discussion though was the amount of coffee grinds in the top. I know that on a few occasions I have put more grinds in the top than what the "recipe" calls for and that has resulted in a rich brew, even though the water may have been at a less than (what is considered to be perfectly) optimal (by scientific standards) brewing temperature. The trade-off, of course, is the pocket-book becomes lighter. But since I don't drink much coffee anymore, the cost per day extra is really not that much. It's still much cheaper to brew an excellent cup of coffee at home than to pay a few bucks for it down at the local coffee-house.
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Roland
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >
                                > > From: Larry Hollenberg
                                >
                                > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                                >
                                > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:27 PM
                                >
                                > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Roland,
                                >
                                > > My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its weight and size of the uptake to make better coffee with what is measurably hotter water as it makes it way to the top.
                                >
                                > > A cloth filter might allow for a much easier, thus cooler rise but can't be sure of that. As you know I have tried that business of cloth filters a number of times, always with lousy results after a use or two.
                                >
                                > > Larry
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@ . <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > From: rsburritt@ . <rsburritt@ ..>
                                >
                                > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..
                                >
                                > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                                >
                                > > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:10 PM
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Hi Larry,
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > When I get around to using them I'll post and let you know how it works out.
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Roland
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > From: Larry Hollenberg
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:32 PM
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Roland,
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Larry
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Philip,
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Thanks,
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Roland
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > From: pb_petty
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Jason,
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Good luck bidding!
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > Philip
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:
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                                > > > Exactly.
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                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > > From: Jason
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com
                                >
                                > >
                                >
                                > > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM
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                              • rsburritt@gmail.com
                                Speaking of gaskets, I recently emailed the seller of the replacement C-30 gasket on ebay to ask what material it was made of and although it took 2 weeks to
                                Message 15 of 26 , Oct 17, 2009
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                                  Speaking of gaskets, I recently emailed the seller of the replacement C-30
                                  gasket on ebay to ask what material it was made of and although it took 2
                                  weeks to hear back, I got a one-word reply, "polyurethane"

                                  Don't know for sure about toxicity, but still not even sure that I want to
                                  put something flammable like Polyurethane around a heat source such as a
                                  stove...

                                  Thoughts, anyone?

                                  Thanks!
                                  Roland


                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: pb_petty
                                  To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:54 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......


                                  Larry,

                                  It certainly would be interesting to determine why your seals stopped working
                                  properly. It might shed light on a problem we could all help avoid with other
                                  types of rubber seals. Did the seals become harder to the touch as you used
                                  them over time? Did you try using a rubber band or something else on the
                                  outside of the seals?

                                  Larry, do you have any thoughts as to variables that changed that might have
                                  led to the decline of your Kent seals? Did you boil cold water then change
                                  that, or did you preheat the water then change to boiling from scratch on the
                                  stove? Ever try using mineral oil to coat the outside of the seals when not
                                  in use?

                                  It seems like we ought to be able to figure this out with as much experience
                                  as this group has collectively. You deserve to be able to brew the coffee you
                                  want in your Kents.

                                  Philip
                                • Peter Mumford
                                  Roland, Was curious as to the ignition temp of rubber and polyurethane. The rubber seems to be ~963*F and the polyurethane is 700-800*F as far as I can find
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Oct 17, 2009
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                                    Roland,

                                    Was curious as to the ignition temp of rubber and polyurethane.

                                    The rubber seems to be ~963*F and the polyurethane is 700-800*F as far as I can find out by a simple search.

                                    I imagine that the material would be okay to use in this situation.

                                    Wadda ya think??

                                    Peter

                                    --- On Sat, 10/17/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

                                    From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                                    Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                                    To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                    Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 9:22 AM






                                     





                                    Speaking of gaskets, I recently emailed the seller of the replacement C-30

                                    gasket on ebay to ask what material it was made of and although it took 2

                                    weeks to hear back, I got a one-word reply, "polyurethane"



                                    Don't know for sure about toxicity, but still not even sure that I want to

                                    put something flammable like Polyurethane around a heat source such as a

                                    stove...



                                    Thoughts, anyone?



                                    Thanks!

                                    Roland



                                    ----- Original Message -----

                                    From: pb_petty

                                    To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                                    Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:54 AM

                                    Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                                    Larry,



                                    It certainly would be interesting to determine why your seals stopped working

                                    properly. It might shed light on a problem we could all help avoid with other

                                    types of rubber seals. Did the seals become harder to the touch as you used

                                    them over time? Did you try using a rubber band or something else on the

                                    outside of the seals?



                                    Larry, do you have any thoughts as to variables that changed that might have

                                    led to the decline of your Kent seals? Did you boil cold water then change

                                    that, or did you preheat the water then change to boiling from scratch on the

                                    stove? Ever try using mineral oil to coat the outside of the seals when not

                                    in use?



                                    It seems like we ought to be able to figure this out with as much experience

                                    as this group has collectively. You deserve to be able to brew the coffee you

                                    want in your Kents.



                                    Philip































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                                  • Larry Hollenberg
                                    I don t know much about this but I have had those rare seals that turn into a melted night mare when heated over the hot water in the pot?  Also the quality
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Oct 17, 2009
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                                      I don't know much about this but I have had those rare seals that turn into a melted night mare when heated over the hot water in the pot?  Also the quality of the Farberware ones seemed suspect from the start. I think the one that melted badly was a cory from what I recall. 
                                      Larry

                                      --- On Sat, 10/17/09, Peter Mumford <punatech@...> wrote:

                                      From: Peter Mumford <punatech@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                                      To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 7:31 PM













                                       





                                      Roland,



                                      Was curious as to the ignition temp of rubber and polyurethane.



                                      The rubber seems to be ~963*F and the polyurethane is 700-800*F as far as I can find out by a simple search.



                                      I imagine that the material would be okay to use in this situation.



                                      Wadda ya think??



                                      Peter



                                      --- On Sat, 10/17/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:



                                      From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>

                                      Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                                      To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                                      Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 9:22 AM



                                       



                                      Speaking of gaskets, I recently emailed the seller of the replacement C-30



                                      gasket on ebay to ask what material it was made of and although it took 2



                                      weeks to hear back, I got a one-word reply, "polyurethane"



                                      Don't know for sure about toxicity, but still not even sure that I want to



                                      put something flammable like Polyurethane around a heat source such as a



                                      stove...



                                      Thoughts, anyone?



                                      Thanks!



                                      Roland



                                      ----- Original Message -----



                                      From: pb_petty



                                      To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



                                      Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:54 AM



                                      Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                                      Larry,



                                      It certainly would be interesting to determine why your seals stopped working



                                      properly. It might shed light on a problem we could all help avoid with other



                                      types of rubber seals. Did the seals become harder to the touch as you used



                                      them over time? Did you try using a rubber band or something else on the



                                      outside of the seals?



                                      Larry, do you have any thoughts as to variables that changed that might have



                                      led to the decline of your Kent seals? Did you boil cold water then change



                                      that, or did you preheat the water then change to boiling from scratch on the



                                      stove? Ever try using mineral oil to coat the outside of the seals when not



                                      in use?



                                      It seems like we ought to be able to figure this out with as much experience



                                      as this group has collectively. You deserve to be able to brew the coffee you



                                      want in your Kents.



                                      Philip























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                                    • rsburritt@gmail.com
                                      Hi Peter, I m not a mechanical or chemical engineer so I haven t any idea on it other than what I ve heard/read on polyurethane being in many things and being
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                                        Hi Peter,

                                        I'm not a mechanical or chemical engineer so I haven't any idea on it other than what I've heard/read on polyurethane being in many things and being considered highly flammable (now that definition could vary from source to source I suppose).
                                        I realize that the C-30's are for the most part electric pots (unless modified). However, having them around the kitchen they would be exposed to the stove heat source, and no telling if one would get somehow accidentally pushed close to a burner. That's the only reason I brought it up. I'm not sure what the cory gasket would do if dropped onto a flame, whether it would smolder or "burst" (like explode) and I don't know how the polyurethane would behave either. If all they would do would be to stink up the place and smother, that would be one thing. If they would create some kind of explosive combusion, that would be what I wouldn't want.

                                        Toxicity is another issue. I seem to recall reading on a forum, either here or another group, when someone used some kind of rubber filler to "repair" a gasket and even though it did not melt, it emitted an odor. The original gaskets (and the replacement gaskets that used to be sold by Adcraft) were "food grade rubber" which meant they had some kind of impermeability to odor, as well as they were tested and proven not to emit odor or chemicals into whatever they were being used for.

                                        I'm not sure how the polyurethane fares...and especially under a high heat application. Since it seems we have some more engineers who have come to the group, I was hoping that someone here may have some knowledge or experience with polyurethane and might be able to comment.

                                        Roland


                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Peter Mumford
                                        To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 6:31 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......


                                        Roland,

                                        Was curious as to the ignition temp of rubber and polyurethane.

                                        The rubber seems to be ~963*F and the polyurethane is 700-800*F as far as I can find out by a simple search.

                                        I imagine that the material would be okay to use in this situation.

                                        Wadda ya think??

                                        Peter

                                        --- On Sat, 10/17/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

                                        From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                                        Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                                        To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 9:22 AM



                                        Speaking of gaskets, I recently emailed the seller of the replacement C-30

                                        gasket on ebay to ask what material it was made of and although it took 2

                                        weeks to hear back, I got a one-word reply, "polyurethane"

                                        Don't know for sure about toxicity, but still not even sure that I want to

                                        put something flammable like Polyurethane around a heat source such as a

                                        stove...

                                        Thoughts, anyone?

                                        Thanks!

                                        Roland

                                        ----- Original Message -----

                                        From: pb_petty

                                        To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                                        Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:54 AM

                                        Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                                        Larry,

                                        It certainly would be interesting to determine why your seals stopped working

                                        properly. It might shed light on a problem we could all help avoid with other

                                        types of rubber seals. Did the seals become harder to the touch as you used

                                        them over time? Did you try using a rubber band or something else on the

                                        outside of the seals?

                                        Larry, do you have any thoughts as to variables that changed that might have

                                        led to the decline of your Kent seals? Did you boil cold water then change

                                        that, or did you preheat the water then change to boiling from scratch on the

                                        stove? Ever try using mineral oil to coat the outside of the seals when not

                                        in use?

                                        It seems like we ought to be able to figure this out with as much experience

                                        as this group has collectively. You deserve to be able to brew the coffee you

                                        want in your Kents.

                                        Philip











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                                      • Larry Hollenberg
                                        Philip, Its been a while since I first started purchasing those kents.  At first I had difficulty with the seals due to what seemed to be fitting a bit too
                                        Message 19 of 26 , Oct 17, 2009
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                                          Philip,
                                          Its been a while since I first started purchasing those kents.  At first I had difficulty with the seals due to what seemed to be fitting a bit too loose as you guessed. I did resort to using the rubber band trick, which often did get it going. But after I stopped using them for some time and then went back to them, mostly as I planed to part with some, I began to test them and found than almost none of the seals would reliably work well. A couple would work sometimes and not others. But at first I had some favorites I would use pretty regularly. Normally I put cold water into the kents since they weren't prone to premature raising. But after some discussions and I learned more, plus if I recall the instructions also suggested to preheat the water so I began that method.   Haveing and old and small farm home the kents resided at times in unheated rooms in winter or hot attic in summer, all which no doubt would help lead to failure of the rubber. I
                                          still think the extra wide size and steep sloped sides with little to grip helped to cause failure under pressure as often happened with mine.  
                                          Beyond that I don't know.  As said a reliable kent can make a very decent cup of coffee. Its not the only way, but it is a good one. 
                                          Larry

                                          --- On Sat, 10/17/09, pb_petty <pbpetty@...> wrote:

                                          From: pb_petty <pbpetty@...>
                                          Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                                          To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                          Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 9:54 AM













                                           





                                          Larry,



                                          It certainly would be interesting to determine why your seals stopped working properly. It might shed light on a problem we could all help avoid with other types of rubber seals. Did the seals become harder to the touch as you used them over time? Did you try using a rubber band or something else on the outside of the seals?



                                          Larry, do you have any thoughts as to variables that changed that might have led to the decline of your Kent seals? Did you boil cold water then change that, or did you preheat the water then change to boiling from scratch on the stove? Ever try using mineral oil to coat the outside of the seals when not in use?



                                          It seems like we ought to be able to figure this out with as much experience as this group has collectively. You deserve to be able to brew the coffee you want in your Kents.



                                          Philip



                                          --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ ...> wrote:

                                          >

                                          > Philip,

                                          > I agree that the kents when everything is working correctly makes some fine coffee no complaints there. Oddly some of those seals that worked fine when I got them quit working after a while.  At one time I had no trouble getting some to work alright, but it got to where I could barely get it to brew properly. 

                                          > Larry

                                          >

                                          > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, pb_petty <pbpetty@... > wrote:

                                          >

                                          > From: pb_petty <pbpetty@... >

                                          > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                                          > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                                          > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 9:53 PM

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                                          > I have used three different Kents (got them cheap, none are Ruby) with the old thick cloth filter (not the Yama replacements) and never had any problem with any of the three Kents brewing great coffee every time. I think only a totally rock hard gasket could prevent them from working as they should.

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                                          > There is a scientific design aspect to the Kent that helps explain why it brews so well. It is that beautiful, curved tapered funnel. When the water rises it slows and cools very slightly as it goes from a small opening to a large opening. This makes the pot safer as well. Once the water has all risen the temp rises slightly as it "boils" in my case for 70-90 seconds (depending on the type of coffee used.) I have measured this and it is not much, but it is a rise from about 192 degrees to 200 degrees. This taper also makes for a more gentle and uniform turbulence which won't splash all over the place like some pots.

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                                          > On the way down, the taper of the funnel accelerates the speed of the brewed coffee as compared to a straight stem. This makes the cloth filter work better than it does on other pots where the movement through the cloth is slower. I timed my Kents and they consistently pulled down faster than my Corys and Silexes.

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                                          > I clean my cloth filters with an Oxy type cleaner and then keep them in water in the fridge just like the old instructions for so many pots recommend. They stay clean and last.

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                                          > All I can say is YMMV but if you can get your Kent to brew anywhere near as well as I have you will enjoy a great brew and great brewing experience.

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                                          > Philip

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                                          > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:

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                                          > > Hi Larry,

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                                          > > I remember we were talking about that. One other variable we left out of that discussion though was the amount of coffee grinds in the top. I know that on a few occasions I have put more grinds in the top than what the "recipe" calls for and that has resulted in a rich brew, even though the water may have been at a less than (what is considered to be perfectly) optimal (by scientific standards) brewing temperature. The trade-off, of course, is the pocket-book becomes lighter. But since I don't drink much coffee anymore, the cost per day extra is really not that much. It's still much cheaper to brew an excellent cup of coffee at home than to pay a few bucks for it down at the local coffee-house.

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                                          > > Roland

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                                          >

                                          > > ----- Original Message -----

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                                          > > From: Larry Hollenberg

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                                          > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

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                                          > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:27 PM

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                                          > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                          > > My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its weight and size of the uptake to make better coffee with what is measurably hotter water as it makes it way to the top.

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                                          > > A cloth filter might allow for a much easier, thus cooler rise but can't be sure of that. As you know I have tried that business of cloth filters a number of times, always with lousy results after a use or two.

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                                          > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@ . <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:

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                                          > > From: rsburritt@ . <rsburritt@ ..>

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                                          > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                          > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

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                                          > > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:10 PM

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                                          > > Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).

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                                          > > When I get around to using them I'll post and let you know how it works out.

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                                          > > Roland

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                                          > > ----- Original Message -----

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                                          > > From: Larry Hollenberg

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                                          > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

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                                          > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:32 PM

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                                          > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                          > > I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.

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                                          > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:

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                                          > > From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>

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                                          > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                          > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

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                                          > > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM

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                                          > > Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.

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                                          > > Thanks,

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                                          > > Roland

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                                          > > ----- Original Message -----

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                                          > > From: pb_petty

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                                          > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

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                                          > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM

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                                          > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                          > > Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:

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                                          > > http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755

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                                          > > Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.

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                                        • rsburritt@gmail.com
                                          Larry, I have an idea, I m going to try it on one of mine. The rubber gasket is older and it s got a shininess to it (evidence of old dry rubber) but it s not
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                                            Larry,
                                            I have an idea, I'm going to try it on one of mine. The rubber gasket is older and it's got a shininess to it (evidence of old dry rubber) but it's not dry or brittle, it's just lost it's "grip". I'm going to get some very fine grade steel wool and try and buff off that shininess and see if I can get down to where the rubber is exposed again. That may, of course, hasten the aging process. But I figure since the gasket is already so far past its useful life that at this point it's only usable in the capacity of keeping the top and bottom together for display purposes, it won't really matter anyway. It's a shot in the dark and if I can get it to give more useful life, than it will be worth it. I'm going to be very gentle.

                                            Roland


                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Larry Hollenberg
                                            To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:49 PM
                                            Subject: [vacpot] Kent filters.......


                                            Philip,
                                            Its been a while since I first started purchasing those kents. At first I had difficulty with the seals due to what seemed to be fitting a bit too loose as you guessed. I did resort to using the rubber band trick, which often did get it going. But after I stopped using them for some time and then went back to them, mostly as I planed to part with some, I began to test them and found than almost none of the seals would reliably work well. A couple would work sometimes and not others. But at first I had some favorites I would use pretty regularly. Normally I put cold water into the kents since they weren't prone to premature raising. But after some discussions and I learned more, plus if I recall the instructions also suggested to preheat the water so I began that method. Haveing and old and small farm home the kents resided at times in unheated rooms in winter or hot attic in summer, all which no doubt would help lead to failure of the rubber. I
                                            still think the extra wide size and steep sloped sides with little to grip helped to cause failure under pressure as often happened with mine.
                                            Beyond that I don't know. As said a reliable kent can make a very decent cup of coffee. Its not the only way, but it is a good one.
                                            Larry

                                            --- On Sat, 10/17/09, pb_petty <pbpetty@...> wrote:

                                            From: pb_petty <pbpetty@...>
                                            Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters.......
                                            To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                            Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 9:54 AM



                                            Larry,

                                            It certainly would be interesting to determine why your seals stopped working properly. It might shed light on a problem we could all help avoid with other types of rubber seals. Did the seals become harder to the touch as you used them over time? Did you try using a rubber band or something else on the outside of the seals?

                                            Larry, do you have any thoughts as to variables that changed that might have led to the decline of your Kent seals? Did you boil cold water then change that, or did you preheat the water then change to boiling from scratch on the stove? Ever try using mineral oil to coat the outside of the seals when not in use?

                                            It seems like we ought to be able to figure this out with as much experience as this group has collectively. You deserve to be able to brew the coffee you want in your Kents.

                                            Philip

                                            --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ ...> wrote:

                                            >

                                            > Philip,

                                            > I agree that the kents when everything is working correctly makes some fine coffee no complaints there. Oddly some of those seals that worked fine when I got them quit working after a while. At one time I had no trouble getting some to work alright, but it got to where I could barely get it to brew properly.

                                            > Larry

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                                            > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, pb_petty <pbpetty@... > wrote:

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                                            > From: pb_petty <pbpetty@... >

                                            > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                                            > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                                            > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 9:53 PM

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                                            > I have used three different Kents (got them cheap, none are Ruby) with the old thick cloth filter (not the Yama replacements) and never had any problem with any of the three Kents brewing great coffee every time. I think only a totally rock hard gasket could prevent them from working as they should.

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                                            > There is a scientific design aspect to the Kent that helps explain why it brews so well. It is that beautiful, curved tapered funnel. When the water rises it slows and cools very slightly as it goes from a small opening to a large opening. This makes the pot safer as well. Once the water has all risen the temp rises slightly as it "boils" in my case for 70-90 seconds (depending on the type of coffee used.) I have measured this and it is not much, but it is a rise from about 192 degrees to 200 degrees. This taper also makes for a more gentle and uniform turbulence which won't splash all over the place like some pots.

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                                            > On the way down, the taper of the funnel accelerates the speed of the brewed coffee as compared to a straight stem. This makes the cloth filter work better than it does on other pots where the movement through the cloth is slower. I timed my Kents and they consistently pulled down faster than my Corys and Silexes.

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                                            > I clean my cloth filters with an Oxy type cleaner and then keep them in water in the fridge just like the old instructions for so many pots recommend. They stay clean and last.

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                                            > All I can say is YMMV but if you can get your Kent to brew anywhere near as well as I have you will enjoy a great brew and great brewing experience.

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                                            > Philip

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                                            > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:

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                                            > > Hi Larry,

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                                            > > I remember we were talking about that. One other variable we left out of that discussion though was the amount of coffee grinds in the top. I know that on a few occasions I have put more grinds in the top than what the "recipe" calls for and that has resulted in a rich brew, even though the water may have been at a less than (what is considered to be perfectly) optimal (by scientific standards) brewing temperature. The trade-off, of course, is the pocket-book becomes lighter. But since I don't drink much coffee anymore, the cost per day extra is really not that much. It's still much cheaper to brew an excellent cup of coffee at home than to pay a few bucks for it down at the local coffee-house.

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                                            > > Roland

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                                            > > ----- Original Message -----

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                                            > > From: Larry Hollenberg

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                                            > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

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                                            > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:27 PM

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                                            > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                            > > My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its weight and size of the uptake to make better coffee with what is measurably hotter water as it makes it way to the top.

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                                            > > A cloth filter might allow for a much easier, thus cooler rise but can't be sure of that. As you know I have tried that business of cloth filters a number of times, always with lousy results after a use or two.

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                                            > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@ . <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:

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                                            > > From: rsburritt@ . <rsburritt@ ..>

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                                            > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                            > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

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                                            > > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 8:10 PM

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                                            > > Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).

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                                            > > When I get around to using them I'll post and let you know how it works out.

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                                            > > From: Larry Hollenberg

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                                            > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

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                                            > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:32 PM

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                                            > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                            > > I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.

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                                            > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:

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                                            > > From: rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com>

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                                            > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                            > > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM

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                                            > > Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.

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                                            > > ----- Original Message -----

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                                            > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

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                                            > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM

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                                            > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

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                                            > > Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:

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                                            > > http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755

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                                            > > Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.

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                                          • Larry Hollenberg
                                            Sounds like a fun experiment if nothing else, I wouldn t have guessed the shininess was an indicator of anything but now that you mention it it does seem
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                                              Sounds like a fun experiment if nothing else, I wouldn't have guessed the shininess was an indicator of anything but now that you mention it it does seem sensible, rubber usually isn't really shiny.  
                                              Larry

                                              --- On Sat, 10/17/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

                                              From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                                              Subject: Re: [vacpot] Kent filters.......
                                              To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 10:22 PM













                                               





                                              Larry,

                                              I have an idea, I'm going to try it on one of mine. The rubber gasket is older and it's got a shininess to it (evidence of old dry rubber) but it's not dry or brittle, it's just lost it's "grip". I'm going to get some very fine grade steel wool and try and buff off that shininess and see if I can get down to where the rubber is exposed again. That may, of course, hasten the aging process. But I figure since the gasket is already so far past its useful life that at this point it's only usable in the capacity of keeping the top and bottom together for display purposes, it won't really matter anyway. It's a shot in the dark and if I can get it to give more useful life, than it will be worth it. I'm going to be very gentle.



                                              Roland



                                              ----- Original Message -----

                                              From: Larry Hollenberg

                                              To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                                              Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:49 PM

                                              Subject: [vacpot] Kent filters..... ..



                                              Philip,

                                              Its been a while since I first started purchasing those kents. At first I had difficulty with the seals due to what seemed to be fitting a bit too loose as you guessed. I did resort to using the rubber band trick, which often did get it going. But after I stopped using them for some time and then went back to them, mostly as I planed to part with some, I began to test them and found than almost none of the seals would reliably work well. A couple would work sometimes and not others. But at first I had some favorites I would use pretty regularly. Normally I put cold water into the kents since they weren't prone to premature raising. But after some discussions and I learned more, plus if I recall the instructions also suggested to preheat the water so I began that method. Haveing and old and small farm home the kents resided at times in unheated rooms in winter or hot attic in summer, all which no doubt would help lead to failure of the rubber. I

                                              still think the extra wide size and steep sloped sides with little to grip helped to cause failure under pressure as often happened with mine.

                                              Beyond that I don't know. As said a reliable kent can make a very decent cup of coffee. Its not the only way, but it is a good one.

                                              Larry



                                              --- On Sat, 10/17/09, pb_petty <pbpetty@ymail. com> wrote:



                                              From: pb_petty <pbpetty@ymail. com>

                                              Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..

                                              To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com

                                              Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 9:54 AM



                                              Larry,



                                              It certainly would be interesting to determine why your seals stopped working properly. It might shed light on a problem we could all help avoid with other types of rubber seals. Did the seals become harder to the touch as you used them over time? Did you try using a rubber band or something else on the outside of the seals?



                                              Larry, do you have any thoughts as to variables that changed that might have led to the decline of your Kent seals? Did you boil cold water then change that, or did you preheat the water then change to boiling from scratch on the stove? Ever try using mineral oil to coat the outside of the seals when not in use?



                                              It seems like we ought to be able to figure this out with as much experience as this group has collectively. You deserve to be able to brew the coffee you want in your Kents.



                                              Philip



                                              --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com, Larry Hollenberg <larryhollenb@ ...> wrote:



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                                              > Philip,



                                              > I agree that the kents when everything is working correctly makes some fine coffee no complaints there. Oddly some of those seals that worked fine when I got them quit working after a while. At one time I had no trouble getting some to work alright, but it got to where I could barely get it to brew properly.



                                              > Larry



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                                              > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, pb_petty <pbpetty@... > wrote:



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                                              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



                                              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



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                                              > I have used three different Kents (got them cheap, none are Ruby) with the old thick cloth filter (not the Yama replacements) and never had any problem with any of the three Kents brewing great coffee every time. I think only a totally rock hard gasket could prevent them from working as they should.



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                                              > There is a scientific design aspect to the Kent that helps explain why it brews so well. It is that beautiful, curved tapered funnel. When the water rises it slows and cools very slightly as it goes from a small opening to a large opening. This makes the pot safer as well. Once the water has all risen the temp rises slightly as it "boils" in my case for 70-90 seconds (depending on the type of coffee used.) I have measured this and it is not much, but it is a rise from about 192 degrees to 200 degrees. This taper also makes for a more gentle and uniform turbulence which won't splash all over the place like some pots.



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                                              > On the way down, the taper of the funnel accelerates the speed of the brewed coffee as compared to a straight stem. This makes the cloth filter work better than it does on other pots where the movement through the cloth is slower. I timed my Kents and they consistently pulled down faster than my Corys and Silexes.



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                                              > I clean my cloth filters with an Oxy type cleaner and then keep them in water in the fridge just like the old instructions for so many pots recommend. They stay clean and last.



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                                              > All I can say is YMMV but if you can get your Kent to brew anywhere near as well as I have you will enjoy a great brew and great brewing experience.



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                                              > > I remember we were talking about that. One other variable we left out of that discussion though was the amount of coffee grinds in the top. I know that on a few occasions I have put more grinds in the top than what the "recipe" calls for and that has resulted in a rich brew, even though the water may have been at a less than (what is considered to be perfectly) optimal (by scientific standards) brewing temperature. The trade-off, of course, is the pocket-book becomes lighter. But since I don't drink much coffee anymore, the cost per day extra is really not that much. It's still much cheaper to brew an excellent cup of coffee at home than to pay a few bucks for it down at the local coffee-house.



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                                              > > From: Larry Hollenberg



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                                              > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



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                                              > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:27 PM



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                                              > > My guess is that the really satisfactory brewing of coffee is due to the porcelain filter. I found that it rarely stalls and seemed perhaps due to its weight and size of the uptake to make better coffee with what is measurably hotter water as it makes it way to the top.



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                                              > > A cloth filter might allow for a much easier, thus cooler rise but can't be sure of that. As you know I have tried that business of cloth filters a number of times, always with lousy results after a use or two.



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                                              > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@ . <rsburritt@ ..> wrote:



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                                              > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



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                                              > > Thanks for the advice on the brewing action. I'll have to watch for that. Maybe by using the cloth filter apparatus and controlling the heat really well I can get it to not do that. I basically just want to try this pot out, to see what Kent brewed coffee is like anyway. The Kent pots are such works of art, and hard enough to come by, and easy enough to scratch off the coloration (both mine are ruby) that I wouldn't consider using them for daily drivers anyway. Even if I wanted a Kent daily driver, I don't recall having ever seen a plain one...or a cheapie on ebay (and by cheapie I mean $10).



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                                              > > I hope your pot is working well. What I found is that those seals look good but perhaps the design is faulty. They work on a very sharp and steep slope. Often the water would come up only to have the brewing action cause the upper pot to raise a bit and let the vacuum return to the bottom. I had endless trouble with that. Perhaps if one is just right still it would work well, one can only hope.As to the filter collapse, as I mentioned it was with the screw on end one. Some of them are to my knowledge not removable in the same way and thus not prone to dropping the rings into the upper bowl.



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                                              > > --- On Fri, 10/16/09, rsburritt@gmail. com <rsburritt@gmail. com> wrote:



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                                              > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



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                                              > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



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                                              > > Date: Friday, October 16, 2009, 6:15 PM



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                                              > > Other than the way Larry mentioned, e.g.: falling apart and the pieces falling into the pot, I wasn't aware of them shattering Kent pots in any other way. What has your experience been? I have two Kent pots, one porcelain filter and one spring filter and have not yet used any of them. But I just recently uncovered them in a box and was planning to give them a go, since one of them has a great rubber seal and I think would work well.



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                                              > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll ector@yahoogroup s.com



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                                              > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:08 PM



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                                              > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] I want one of these Kent filters..... ..



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                                              > > Here is your Kent filter alone up for auction and less than $8.00 currently:



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                                              > > http://cgi.ebay com/Vintage- Porcelain- Coffee-Filter- Kent-Products- 1945_W0QQitemZ30 0357193755



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                                              > > Please don't ever let one get neat a Kent pot. They are famous for shattering Kents in a variety of ways. They were a monstrous mistake by Kent. I narrowly avoided losing a Kent myself with one of these. Also, they really are meant to fit only Kents. I tried to put one in a wide mouth pot I thought it would fit it and it got stuck. Only luck got it out and kept the pot in one piece.



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                                              > > > Exactly.



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                                              > > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:10 AM



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                                              > > > And that filter only fits in a Kent.



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