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Re: [vacpot] Robot questions

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  • seavandal91203
    I posted a few pictures of the Robot under Chris Robot. I ve looked at other vacpots and they too seem to have a little room between the bottom of the tube
    Message 1 of 19 , Jan 23, 2009
      I posted a few pictures of the Robot under Chris' Robot. I've looked at
      other vacpots and they too seem to have a little room between the
      bottom of the tube and the bottom of the coffee maker. The filter seems
      like the right one but the tube does have the bulge for the spring
      loaded wire one. "oribatids" has several Robots. I wonder if his 500
      has a similar globe setup. He may be the one to check for the length of
      the tube (mine is 2 3/4" long). The end of the tube has been ground and
      looks factory. I'll take more shots tomorrow when the light is better.
      Thanks for the info. More later.... Chris
    • Larry Hollenberg
      Chris, The photos are fine. Its a great looking Robot for sure and it would appear probably to be correct in the parts but perhaps Steven or someone else can
      Message 2 of 19 , Jan 23, 2009
        Chris,

        The photos are fine. Its a great looking Robot for sure and it would appear probably to be correct in the parts but perhaps Steven or someone else can compare your photo to their Robot of the same design? Those are of an early vintage when they were just learning about automatic vacuum pots and that design with the shorted uptake tube may just be the way they made them? I know some of the typical glass pots have somewhat differing lengths to the pots. But another thing is that sometimes a wrong size top can go on a bottom causing the issue your wondering about. But I don't know if that is the case here. Robots came in a number of sizes and the glass tops most likely have different length stems. Many of the Corys an Silexs used the same size gasket fitting but the upper and lower stems varied for different sizes.

        Larry

        --- On Fri, 1/23/09, seavandal91203 <seavandal@...> wrote:

        > From: seavandal91203 <seavandal@...>
        > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
        > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
        > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 10:18 PM
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      • seavandal91203
        I think you may be right on this one being one of the earlier Robots. The cloth cord with the on off switch is certainly older than the plastic/rubber cords
        Message 3 of 19 , Jan 23, 2009
          I think you may be right on this one being one of the earlier Robots.
          The cloth cord with the on off switch is certainly older than the
          plastic/rubber cords I've seen with other units. The filter is bakelite
          and metal. This too seems like the old style from what I've read. If
          they were experimenting with different lengths of stems and filter
          styles in the early days, this Robot might just be one of the first. I
          wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might help me date it. Anyway,
          any info on Robots from other members would be truly appreciated!
          Thanks Larry for all of your insightful info! Chris
        • rsburritt@gmail.com
          I m not an expert, but I think I d prefer the shorter spout based purely on physics and here s why. You have more water left in the lower pot by the time it
          Message 4 of 19 , Jan 23, 2009
            I'm not an expert, but I think I'd prefer the shorter spout based purely on physics and here's why.
            You have more water left in the lower pot by the time it bubbles in the upper, which means you can let it steam longer, which effectively removes more mass from the lower pot by way of evaporation as the steam bubbles up through the brew in the top. While you don't want to let it overbrew, which can make it bitter or too storng, I think you can counter the effects of the longer brewing cycle by using a coarser ground. The benefit of removing more mass (by way of evaporation) from the lower during the brew (by way of steam evaporation) is that it gives the pot the ability to create a stronger vacuum, and for a longer period of time, when the brew is heading south. Part of what makes vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is the way the grounds get compacted around the filter during the heading south process, and the brew is forcefully sucked down into the lower pot through the compacted grounds (in a distant way, this is distantly related to the manner in which espresso is done). Additionally, the coarser grind and stronger vacuum can mean less chance of stalling. Just my 2 cents. I don't have a Farber robot to experiment on, but this is just going by my general experience with the vacpots that I have and having experimented with different ones, and how the physics of it works. I could be wrong of course.

            Roland


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: seavandal91203
            To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:55 PM
            Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions


            I think you may be right on this one being one of the earlier Robots.
            The cloth cord with the on off switch is certainly older than the
            plastic/rubber cords I've seen with other units. The filter is bakelite
            and metal. This too seems like the old style from what I've read. If
            they were experimenting with different lengths of stems and filter
            styles in the early days, this Robot might just be one of the first. I
            wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might help me date it. Anyway,
            any info on Robots from other members would be truly appreciated!
            Thanks Larry for all of your insightful info! Chris





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          • Larry Hollenberg
            Roland, All, I think your explanation sounds good. I don t know if the Robot removes all the water from the bottom or not? The Sunbeam says it removed all the
            Message 5 of 19 , Jan 24, 2009
              Roland, All,

              I think your explanation sounds good. I don't know if the Robot removes all the water from the bottom or not? The Sunbeam says it removed all the water, but many feel this causes the "burnt" effect to the coffee coming down on the super hot metal with no tempering water left. I personally think the ability of it to mix with a bit of water is a good, not a bad thing.

              That filter in the robot, depending on the one can be a real pain. I had mostly those with the brown colored Bakelite and they stalled nearly every time I used them. I think I also had a filter that would take a cloth filter but didn't use it much.

              Larry

              --- On Fri, 1/23/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

              > From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
              > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:45 PM
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              > here's why.
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              > You have more water left in the lower pot by the time it
              > bubbles in the upper, which means you can let it steam
              > longer, which effectively removes more mass from the lower
              > pot by way of evaporation as the steam bubbles up through
              > the brew in the top. While you don't want to let it
              > overbrew, which can make it bitter or too storng, I think
              > you can counter the effects of the longer brewing cycle by
              > using a coarser ground. The benefit of removing more mass
              > (by way of evaporation) from the lower during the brew (by
              > way of steam evaporation) is that it gives the pot the
              > ability to create a stronger vacuum, and for a longer period
              > of time, when the brew is heading south. Part of what makes
              > vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is the way the grounds
              > get compacted around the filter during the heading south
              > process, and the brew is forcefully sucked down into the
              > lower pot through the compacted grounds (in a distant way,
              > this is distantly related to the manner in which espresso is
              > done). Additionally, the coarser grind and stronger vacuum
              > can mean less chance of stalling. Just my 2 cents. I
              > don't have a Farber robot to experiment on, but this is
              > just going by my general experience with the vacpots that I
              > have and having experimented with different ones, and how
              > the physics of it works. I could be wrong of course.
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              > Roland
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              > ----- Original Message -----
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              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
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              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
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              > the first. I
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              > wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might help me date
              > it. Anyway,
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            • rsburritt@gmail.com
              Larry, I agree with you and did not iterate that in my post, that the additional benefit of the higher water level in the lower was allowing for displacing
              Message 6 of 19 , Jan 24, 2009
                Larry, I agree with you and did not iterate that in my post, that the additional benefit of the higher water level in the lower was allowing for displacing more from the lower during a longer brew cycle without scorching, which is what I think happens with Sunbeams (and even to some degree a Cory automatic if you don't unplug it right away). However, I tend to enjoy a slightly "nutty" taste in my coffee which may come from that slight bit of scorching on the way down. Not 100% sure, but I think that's what does it, and that's why I like the cory automatic. I think this is why we all have our favorite pots and each of us for different reasons.

                Roland

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Larry Hollenberg
                To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:12 AM
                Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions


                Roland, All,

                I think your explanation sounds good. I don't know if the Robot removes all the water from the bottom or not? The Sunbeam says it removed all the water, but many feel this causes the "burnt" effect to the coffee coming down on the super hot metal with no tempering water left. I personally think the ability of it to mix with a bit of water is a good, not a bad thing.

                That filter in the robot, depending on the one can be a real pain. I had mostly those with the brown colored Bakelite and they stalled nearly every time I used them. I think I also had a filter that would take a cloth filter but didn't use it much.

                Larry

                --- On Fri, 1/23/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

                > From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:45 PM
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                > prefer the shorter spout based purely on physics and
                > here's why.
                >
                > You have more water left in the lower pot by the time it
                > bubbles in the upper, which means you can let it steam
                > longer, which effectively removes more mass from the lower
                > pot by way of evaporation as the steam bubbles up through
                > the brew in the top. While you don't want to let it
                > overbrew, which can make it bitter or too storng, I think
                > you can counter the effects of the longer brewing cycle by
                > using a coarser ground. The benefit of removing more mass
                > (by way of evaporation) from the lower during the brew (by
                > way of steam evaporation) is that it gives the pot the
                > ability to create a stronger vacuum, and for a longer period
                > of time, when the brew is heading south. Part of what makes
                > vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is the way the grounds
                > get compacted around the filter during the heading south
                > process, and the brew is forcefully sucked down into the
                > lower pot through the compacted grounds (in a distant way,
                > this is distantly related to the manner in which espresso is
                > done). Additionally, the coarser grind and stronger vacuum
                > can mean less chance of stalling. Just my 2 cents. I
                > don't have a Farber robot to experiment on, but this is
                > just going by my general experience with the vacpots that I
                > have and having experimented with different ones, and how
                > the physics of it works. I could be wrong of course.
                >
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                > Roland
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                > ----- Original Message -----
                >
                > From: seavandal91203
                >
                > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                > ector@yahoogroup s.com
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                > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:55 PM
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                > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
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                > I think you may be right on this one being one of the
                > earlier Robots.
                >
                > The cloth cord with the on off switch is certainly older
                > than the
                >
                > plastic/rubber cords I've seen with other units. The
                > filter is bakelite
                >
                > and metal. This too seems like the old style from what
                > I've read. If
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                > they were experimenting with different lengths of stems and
                > filter
                >
                > styles in the early days, this Robot might just be one of
                > the first. I
                >
                > wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might help me date
                > it. Anyway,
                >
                > any info on Robots from other members would be truly
                > appreciated!
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                > Thanks Larry for all of your insightful info! Chris
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              • Dave Leonard
                This discussion about the water level in the bottom part of the Sunbeam Coffeemaster got my attention. I ve always thought the coffee these made had a bit of a
                Message 7 of 19 , Jan 24, 2009
                  This discussion about the water level in the bottom part of the Sunbeam Coffeemaster got my attention. I've always thought the coffee these made had a bit of a burnt taste. I have a working C50 and C30, with an extra C30 parts pot. I took the extra funnel spout and ground about 1/4 inch off the end and tried it on both my C50 and C30. Doing this modification increases the brew time some. My C50 used to have about a 2 minute 30 second brew time. I shut it off at 4 minutes with the shortened spout (it was still going and smelling hot). With the C30, the original had about a 1 minute 15 second brew time. It now has a 1min 55 second brew time. The C50, with the 4 minute brew time, did not taste burnt at all and tasted good. I only boiled water with the C30, so can't comment yet about burnt taste. Even with the shorter brew time than the original length was, it always tasted somewhat burnt ( I actually preferred my Bodum electric with 1/8 inch sawed off it's spout over the stock
                  Sunbeam, which I did months ago).
                  I'm going to try the shortened spout on my modified (butchered?) C50 I converted to a stove top brewer. This could get interesting...

                  Dave


                  rsburritt@... wrote: Larry, I agree with you and did not iterate that in my post, that the additional benefit of the higher water level in the lower was allowing for displacing more from the lower during a longer brew cycle without scorching, which is what I think happens with Sunbeams (and even to some degree a Cory automatic if you don't unplug it right away). However, I tend to enjoy a slightly "nutty" taste in my coffee which may come from that slight bit of scorching on the way down. Not 100% sure, but I think that's what does it, and that's why I like the cory automatic. I think this is why we all have our favorite pots and each of us for different reasons.

                  Roland

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Larry Hollenberg
                  To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:12 AM
                  Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions

                  Roland, All,

                  I think your explanation sounds good. I don't know if the Robot removes all the water from the bottom or not? The Sunbeam says it removed all the water, but many feel this causes the "burnt" effect to the coffee coming down on the super hot metal with no tempering water left. I personally think the ability of it to mix with a bit of water is a good, not a bad thing.

                  That filter in the robot, depending on the one can be a real pain. I had mostly those with the brown colored Bakelite and they stalled nearly every time I used them. I think I also had a filter that would take a cloth filter but didn't use it much.

                  Larry

                  --- On Fri, 1/23/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:

                  > From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                  > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                  > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                  > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:45 PM
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                  > I'm not an expert, but I think I'd
                  > prefer the shorter spout based purely on physics and
                  > here's why.
                  >
                  > You have more water left in the lower pot by the time it
                  > bubbles in the upper, which means you can let it steam
                  > longer, which effectively removes more mass from the lower
                  > pot by way of evaporation as the steam bubbles up through
                  > the brew in the top. While you don't want to let it
                  > overbrew, which can make it bitter or too storng, I think
                  > you can counter the effects of the longer brewing cycle by
                  > using a coarser ground. The benefit of removing more mass
                  > (by way of evaporation) from the lower during the brew (by
                  > way of steam evaporation) is that it gives the pot the
                  > ability to create a stronger vacuum, and for a longer period
                  > of time, when the brew is heading south. Part of what makes
                  > vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is the way the grounds
                  > get compacted around the filter during the heading south
                  > process, and the brew is forcefully sucked down into the
                  > lower pot through the compacted grounds (in a distant way,
                  > this is distantly related to the manner in which espresso is
                  > done). Additionally, the coarser grind and stronger vacuum
                  > can mean less chance of stalling. Just my 2 cents. I
                  > don't have a Farber robot to experiment on, but this is
                  > just going by my general experience with the vacpots that I
                  > have and having experimented with different ones, and how
                  > the physics of it works. I could be wrong of course.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Roland
                  >
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                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  >
                  > From: seavandal91203
                  >
                  > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                  > ector@yahoogroup s.com
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                  > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:55 PM
                  >
                  > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
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                  > I think you may be right on this one being one of the
                  > earlier Robots.
                  >
                  > The cloth cord with the on off switch is certainly older
                  > than the
                  >
                  > plastic/rubber cords I've seen with other units. The
                  > filter is bakelite
                  >
                  > and metal. This too seems like the old style from what
                  > I've read. If
                  >
                  > they were experimenting with different lengths of stems and
                  > filter
                  >
                  > styles in the early days, this Robot might just be one of
                  > the first. I
                  >
                  > wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might help me date
                  > it. Anyway,
                  >
                  > any info on Robots from other members would be truly
                  > appreciated!
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                • seavandal91203
                  The Robot came out this afternoon, as seems to be the afternoon ritual these days, and I filled it up to it s 8 cup max. I had been using 6 cups before. I used
                  Message 8 of 19 , Jan 24, 2009
                    The Robot came out this afternoon, as seems to be the afternoon
                    ritual these days, and I filled it up to it's 8 cup max. I had been
                    using 6 cups before. I used a Tablespoon per cup of fresh grind
                    percolator setting in the bowl and plugged it in. The brewing coffee
                    level in the bowl was higher than before. The brew time was shorter
                    by about a minute. As it went south, it stalled about 3/4 of the way
                    down. When I poured a cup, the bowl finally drained. Good cup! There
                    is certainly a lot of water bubbling during the brewing stage and it
                    never ceases until it shuts off. The burr grinder I have been using
                    is a Braun from the 60's. The grinds are a little uneven which makes
                    me think that the fines are clogging the bakelite filter.Does this
                    happen a lot with this type of filter? One of these days, I'll find
                    the magic combo of water and bean and grind. I have been checking out
                    the air poppers to roast my own at home. Any luck with those units
                    for any of you guys? Store bought Gourmet is as close as I've come to
                    good whole bean. Thanks for all of your comments. I love hearing the
                    pros talk about this stuff as well as reading past posts from all of
                    you. Adios, Chris

                    --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, Dave Leonard
                    <the_hurdy_gurdyman@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > This discussion about the water level in the bottom part of the
                    Sunbeam Coffeemaster got my attention. I've always thought the coffee
                    these made had a bit of a burnt taste. I have a working C50 and C30,
                    with an extra C30 parts pot. I took the extra funnel spout and ground
                    about 1/4 inch off the end and tried it on both my C50 and C30. Doing
                    this modification increases the brew time some. My C50 used to have
                    about a 2 minute 30 second brew time. I shut it off at 4 minutes with
                    the shortened spout (it was still going and smelling hot). With the
                    C30, the original had about a 1 minute 15 second brew time. It now
                    has a 1min 55 second brew time. The C50, with the 4 minute brew time,
                    did not taste burnt at all and tasted good. I only boiled water with
                    the C30, so can't comment yet about burnt taste. Even with the
                    shorter brew time than the original length was, it always tasted
                    somewhat burnt ( I actually preferred my Bodum electric with 1/8 inch
                    sawed off it's spout over the stock
                    > Sunbeam, which I did months ago).
                    > I'm going to try the shortened spout on my modified (butchered?)
                    C50 I converted to a stove top brewer. This could get interesting...
                    >
                    > Dave
                    >
                    >
                    > rsburritt@... wrote: Larry, I agree
                    with you and did not iterate that in my post, that the additional
                    benefit of the higher water level in the lower was allowing for
                    displacing more from the lower during a longer brew cycle without
                    scorching, which is what I think happens with Sunbeams (and even to
                    some degree a Cory automatic if you don't unplug it right away).
                    However, I tend to enjoy a slightly "nutty" taste in my coffee which
                    may come from that slight bit of scorching on the way down. Not 100%
                    sure, but I think that's what does it, and that's why I like the cory
                    automatic. I think this is why we all have our favorite pots and
                    each of us for different reasons.
                    >
                    > Roland
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Larry Hollenberg
                    > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:12 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                    >
                    > Roland, All,
                    >
                    > I think your explanation sounds good. I don't know if the Robot
                    removes all the water from the bottom or not? The Sunbeam says it
                    removed all the water, but many feel this causes the "burnt" effect
                    to the coffee coming down on the super hot metal with no tempering
                    water left. I personally think the ability of it to mix with a bit of
                    water is a good, not a bad thing.
                    >
                    > That filter in the robot, depending on the one can be a real pain.
                    I had mostly those with the brown colored Bakelite and they stalled
                    nearly every time I used them. I think I also had a filter that would
                    take a cloth filter but didn't use it much.
                    >
                    > Larry
                    >
                    > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:
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                    > >
                    > > You have more water left in the lower pot by the time it
                    > > bubbles in the upper, which means you can let it steam
                    > > longer, which effectively removes more mass from the lower
                    > > pot by way of evaporation as the steam bubbles up through
                    > > the brew in the top. While you don't want to let it
                    > > overbrew, which can make it bitter or too storng, I think
                    > > you can counter the effects of the longer brewing cycle by
                    > > using a coarser ground. The benefit of removing more mass
                    > > (by way of evaporation) from the lower during the brew (by
                    > > way of steam evaporation) is that it gives the pot the
                    > > ability to create a stronger vacuum, and for a longer period
                    > > of time, when the brew is heading south. Part of what makes
                    > > vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is the way the grounds
                    > > get compacted around the filter during the heading south
                    > > process, and the brew is forcefully sucked down into the
                    > > lower pot through the compacted grounds (in a distant way,
                    > > this is distantly related to the manner in which espresso is
                    > > done). Additionally, the coarser grind and stronger vacuum
                    > > can mean less chance of stalling. Just my 2 cents. I
                    > > don't have a Farber robot to experiment on, but this is
                    > > just going by my general experience with the vacpots that I
                    > > have and having experimented with different ones, and how
                    > > the physics of it works. I could be wrong of course.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Roland
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > >
                    > > From: seavandal91203
                    > >
                    > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                    > > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                    > >
                    > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:55 PM
                    > >
                    > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > I think you may be right on this one being one of the
                    > > earlier Robots.
                    > >
                    > > The cloth cord with the on off switch is certainly older
                    > > than the
                    > >
                    > > plastic/rubber cords I've seen with other units. The
                    > > filter is bakelite
                    > >
                    > > and metal. This too seems like the old style from what
                    > > I've read. If
                    > >
                    > > they were experimenting with different lengths of stems and
                    > > filter
                    > >
                    > > styles in the early days, this Robot might just be one of
                    > > the first. I
                    > >
                    > > wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might help me date
                    > > it. Anyway,
                    > >
                    > > any info on Robots from other members would be truly
                    > > appreciated!
                    > >
                    > > Thanks Larry for all of your insightful info! Chris
                    > >
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                  • Larry Hollenberg
                    Chris, Yes the filter in the Robot stalled quite badly in my Farberware non automatic stainless pots I had as well. It was quite frustrating as it almost never
                    Message 9 of 19 , Jan 24, 2009
                      Chris,

                      Yes the filter in the Robot stalled quite badly in my Farberware non automatic stainless pots I had as well. It was quite frustrating as it almost never went down properly. I think the design is faulty some way. Your observation of varying time with different amounts of water is correct also. That also happens with other brewers such as the Cory. I had a couple that would make a perfect four cups but if I made 8 it would return the brew in about 30 seconds instead of the 2 minutes with the four. That is one of the reasons I pretty much gave up on automatics in every day use. They are great fun to see operate and try out, but to much trouble most of the time. I know some of them work flawless and I have had such, but too many don't work as they should any longer. I had absolutely no luck with the thermostat on the robot, in fact I sent it off to a repair place that supposedly knew how to fix it. Well they didn't and it still cost me a bundle.


                      Larry

                      --- On Sat, 1/24/09, seavandal91203 <seavandal@...> wrote:

                      > From: seavandal91203 <seavandal@...>
                      > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                      > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                      > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 7:11 PM
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > The Robot came out this afternoon, as seems to be the
                      > afternoon
                      >
                      > ritual these days, and I filled it up to it's 8 cup
                      > max. I had been
                      >
                      > using 6 cups before. I used a Tablespoon per cup of fresh
                      > grind
                      >
                      > percolator setting in the bowl and plugged it in. The
                      > brewing coffee
                      >
                      > level in the bowl was higher than before. The brew time was
                      > shorter
                      >
                      > by about a minute. As it went south, it stalled about 3/4
                      > of the way
                      >
                      > down. When I poured a cup, the bowl finally drained. Good
                      > cup! There
                      >
                      > is certainly a lot of water bubbling during the brewing
                      > stage and it
                      >
                      > never ceases until it shuts off. The burr grinder I have
                      > been using
                      >
                      > is a Braun from the 60's. The grinds are a little
                      > uneven which makes
                      >
                      > me think that the fines are clogging the bakelite
                      > filter.Does this
                      >
                      > happen a lot with this type of filter? One of these days,
                      > I'll find
                      >
                      > the magic combo of water and bean and grind. I have been
                      > checking out
                      >
                      > the air poppers to roast my own at home. Any luck with
                      > those units
                      >
                      > for any of you guys? Store bought Gourmet is as close as
                      > I've come to
                      >
                      > good whole bean. Thanks for all of your comments. I love
                      > hearing the
                      >
                      > pros talk about this stuff as well as reading past posts
                      > from all of
                      >
                      > you. Adios, Chris
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                      > ector@yahoogroup s.com, Dave Leonard
                      >
                      > <the_hurdy_gurdyman @...> wrote:
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > This discussion about the water level in the bottom
                      > part of the
                      >
                      > Sunbeam Coffeemaster got my attention. I've always
                      > thought the coffee
                      >
                      > these made had a bit of a burnt taste. I have a working C50
                      > and C30,
                      >
                      > with an extra C30 parts pot. I took the extra funnel spout
                      > and ground
                      >
                      > about 1/4 inch off the end and tried it on both my C50 and
                      > C30. Doing
                      >
                      > this modification increases the brew time some. My C50 used
                      > to have
                      >
                      > about a 2 minute 30 second brew time. I shut it off at 4
                      > minutes with
                      >
                      > the shortened spout (it was still going and smelling hot).
                      > With the
                      >
                      > C30, the original had about a 1 minute 15 second brew time.
                      > It now
                      >
                      > has a 1min 55 second brew time. The C50, with the 4 minute
                      > brew time,
                      >
                      > did not taste burnt at all and tasted good. I only boiled
                      > water with
                      >
                      > the C30, so can't comment yet about burnt taste. Even
                      > with the
                      >
                      > shorter brew time than the original length was, it always
                      > tasted
                      >
                      > somewhat burnt ( I actually preferred my Bodum electric
                      > with 1/8 inch
                      >
                      > sawed off it's spout over the stock
                      >
                      > > Sunbeam, which I did months ago).
                      >
                      > > I'm going to try the shortened spout on my
                      > modified (butchered?)
                      >
                      > C50 I converted to a stove top brewer. This could get
                      > interesting. ..
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > Dave
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > rsburritt@.. . wrote:
                      > Larry, I agree
                      >
                      > with you and did not iterate that in my post, that the
                      > additional
                      >
                      > benefit of the higher water level in the lower was allowing
                      > for
                      >
                      > displacing more from the lower during a longer brew cycle
                      > without
                      >
                      > scorching, which is what I think happens with Sunbeams (and
                      > even to
                      >
                      > some degree a Cory automatic if you don't unplug it
                      > right away).
                      >
                      > However, I tend to enjoy a slightly "nutty" taste
                      > in my coffee which
                      >
                      > may come from that slight bit of scorching on the way down.
                      > Not 100%
                      >
                      > sure, but I think that's what does it, and that's
                      > why I like the cory
                      >
                      > automatic. I think this is why we all have our favorite
                      > pots and
                      >
                      > each of us for different reasons.
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > Roland
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      >
                      > > From: Larry Hollenberg
                      >
                      > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                      > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                      >
                      > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:12 AM
                      >
                      > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > Roland, All,
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > I think your explanation sounds good. I don't
                      > know if the Robot
                      >
                      > removes all the water from the bottom or not? The Sunbeam
                      > says it
                      >
                      > removed all the water, but many feel this causes the
                      > "burnt" effect
                      >
                      > to the coffee coming down on the super hot metal with no
                      > tempering
                      >
                      > water left. I personally think the ability of it to mix
                      > with a bit of
                      >
                      > water is a good, not a bad thing.
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > That filter in the robot, depending on the one can be
                      > a real pain.
                      >
                      > I had mostly those with the brown colored Bakelite and they
                      > stalled
                      >
                      > nearly every time I used them. I think I also had a filter
                      > that would
                      >
                      > take a cloth filter but didn't use it much.
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > Larry
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, rsburritt@.. . <rsburritt@.
                      > ..> wrote:
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > > From: rsburritt@.. . <rsburritt@. ..>
                      >
                      > > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                      >
                      > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                      > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                      >
                      > > > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:45 PM
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
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                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > I'm not an expert, but I think I'd
                      >
                      > > > prefer the shorter spout based purely on physics
                      > and
                      >
                      > > > here's why.
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > You have more water left in the lower pot by the
                      > time it
                      >
                      > > > bubbles in the upper, which means you can let it
                      > steam
                      >
                      > > > longer, which effectively removes more mass from
                      > the lower
                      >
                      > > > pot by way of evaporation as the steam bubbles
                      > up through
                      >
                      > > > the brew in the top. While you don't want to
                      > let it
                      >
                      > > > overbrew, which can make it bitter or too
                      > storng, I think
                      >
                      > > > you can counter the effects of the longer
                      > brewing cycle by
                      >
                      > > > using a coarser ground. The benefit of removing
                      > more mass
                      >
                      > > > (by way of evaporation) from the lower during
                      > the brew (by
                      >
                      > > > way of steam evaporation) is that it gives the
                      > pot the
                      >
                      > > > ability to create a stronger vacuum, and for a
                      > longer period
                      >
                      > > > of time, when the brew is heading south. Part of
                      > what makes
                      >
                      > > > vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is the way
                      > the grounds
                      >
                      > > > get compacted around the filter during the
                      > heading south
                      >
                      > > > process, and the brew is forcefully sucked down
                      > into the
                      >
                      > > > lower pot through the compacted grounds (in a
                      > distant way,
                      >
                      > > > this is distantly related to the manner in which
                      > espresso is
                      >
                      > > > done). Additionally, the coarser grind and
                      > stronger vacuum
                      >
                      > > > can mean less chance of stalling. Just my 2
                      > cents. I
                      >
                      > > > don't have a Farber robot to experiment on,
                      > but this is
                      >
                      > > > just going by my general experience with the
                      > vacpots that I
                      >
                      > > > have and having experimented with different
                      > ones, and how
                      >
                      > > > the physics of it works. I could be wrong of
                      > course.
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > Roland
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > From: seavandal91203
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                      >
                      > > > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:55 PM
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > I think you may be right on this one being one
                      > of the
                      >
                      > > > earlier Robots.
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > The cloth cord with the on off switch is
                      > certainly older
                      >
                      > > > than the
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > plastic/rubber cords I've seen with other
                      > units. The
                      >
                      > > > filter is bakelite
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > and metal. This too seems like the old style
                      > from what
                      >
                      > > > I've read. If
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > they were experimenting with different lengths
                      > of stems and
                      >
                      > > > filter
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > styles in the early days, this Robot might just
                      > be one of
                      >
                      > > > the first. I
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might
                      > help me date
                      >
                      > > > it. Anyway,
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > any info on Robots from other members would be
                      > truly
                      >
                      > > > appreciated!
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > > > Thanks Larry for all of your insightful info!
                      > Chris
                      >
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                    • rsburritt@gmail.com
                      I should point out that even though I love the cory automatic, I have rarely let the Cory do its thing automatically. I generally listen for the bubbling and
                      Message 10 of 19 , Jan 24, 2009
                        I should point out that even though I love the cory automatic, I have rarely let the Cory do its thing automatically. I generally listen for the bubbling and then pull the plug after it bubbles for about a minute and a half. I've spent hours trying to calibrate them and gotten them fairly accurate, but you can never be sure each time if they will work or not. They probably worked well the first few years when they were brand new, but being 50+ years old and with a purely mechanical thermostat that works by way of the metal expanding, I wouldn't bank on it. The nice thing about the cory automatic, though, is that if I happen to be in the other room and either forget about it for a minute or the phone rings and I get delayed back into the kitchen, there is some sort of added protection in that it will usually shut itself off eventually, even if the coffee is not as good as usual, it's still generally drinkable. That's only happened a few times, but it beats leaving a glass pot on the stove to boil dry and coming back and finding a mess everywhere (which I've read about, but I don't remember ever having done). I say I don't remember having done that because my memory is like swiss cheese these days. See why I like that extra little margin of "safety" of automatic? haha

                        Roland




                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Larry Hollenberg
                        To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 6:26 PM
                        Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions


                        Chris,

                        Yes the filter in the Robot stalled quite badly in my Farberware non automatic stainless pots I had as well. It was quite frustrating as it almost never went down properly. I think the design is faulty some way. Your observation of varying time with different amounts of water is correct also. That also happens with other brewers such as the Cory. I had a couple that would make a perfect four cups but if I made 8 it would return the brew in about 30 seconds instead of the 2 minutes with the four. That is one of the reasons I pretty much gave up on automatics in every day use. They are great fun to see operate and try out, but to much trouble most of the time. I know some of them work flawless and I have had such, but too many don't work as they should any longer. I had absolutely no luck with the thermostat on the robot, in fact I sent it off to a repair place that supposedly knew how to fix it. Well they didn't and it still cost me a bundle.

                        Larry

                        --- On Sat, 1/24/09, seavandal91203 <seavandal@...> wrote:

                        > From: seavandal91203 <seavandal@...>
                        > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                        > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                        > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 7:11 PM
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > The Robot came out this afternoon, as seems to be the
                        > afternoon
                        >
                        > ritual these days, and I filled it up to it's 8 cup
                        > max. I had been
                        >
                        > using 6 cups before. I used a Tablespoon per cup of fresh
                        > grind
                        >
                        > percolator setting in the bowl and plugged it in. The
                        > brewing coffee
                        >
                        > level in the bowl was higher than before. The brew time was
                        > shorter
                        >
                        > by about a minute. As it went south, it stalled about 3/4
                        > of the way
                        >
                        > down. When I poured a cup, the bowl finally drained. Good
                        > cup! There
                        >
                        > is certainly a lot of water bubbling during the brewing
                        > stage and it
                        >
                        > never ceases until it shuts off. The burr grinder I have
                        > been using
                        >
                        > is a Braun from the 60's. The grinds are a little
                        > uneven which makes
                        >
                        > me think that the fines are clogging the bakelite
                        > filter.Does this
                        >
                        > happen a lot with this type of filter? One of these days,
                        > I'll find
                        >
                        > the magic combo of water and bean and grind. I have been
                        > checking out
                        >
                        > the air poppers to roast my own at home. Any luck with
                        > those units
                        >
                        > for any of you guys? Store bought Gourmet is as close as
                        > I've come to
                        >
                        > good whole bean. Thanks for all of your comments. I love
                        > hearing the
                        >
                        > pros talk about this stuff as well as reading past posts
                        > from all of
                        >
                        > you. Adios, Chris
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                        > ector@yahoogroup s.com, Dave Leonard
                        >
                        > <the_hurdy_gurdyman @...> wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > This discussion about the water level in the bottom
                        > part of the
                        >
                        > Sunbeam Coffeemaster got my attention. I've always
                        > thought the coffee
                        >
                        > these made had a bit of a burnt taste. I have a working C50
                        > and C30,
                        >
                        > with an extra C30 parts pot. I took the extra funnel spout
                        > and ground
                        >
                        > about 1/4 inch off the end and tried it on both my C50 and
                        > C30. Doing
                        >
                        > this modification increases the brew time some. My C50 used
                        > to have
                        >
                        > about a 2 minute 30 second brew time. I shut it off at 4
                        > minutes with
                        >
                        > the shortened spout (it was still going and smelling hot).
                        > With the
                        >
                        > C30, the original had about a 1 minute 15 second brew time.
                        > It now
                        >
                        > has a 1min 55 second brew time. The C50, with the 4 minute
                        > brew time,
                        >
                        > did not taste burnt at all and tasted good. I only boiled
                        > water with
                        >
                        > the C30, so can't comment yet about burnt taste. Even
                        > with the
                        >
                        > shorter brew time than the original length was, it always
                        > tasted
                        >
                        > somewhat burnt ( I actually preferred my Bodum electric
                        > with 1/8 inch
                        >
                        > sawed off it's spout over the stock
                        >
                        > > Sunbeam, which I did months ago).
                        >
                        > > I'm going to try the shortened spout on my
                        > modified (butchered?)
                        >
                        > C50 I converted to a stove top brewer. This could get
                        > interesting. ..
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > Dave
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > rsburritt@.. . wrote:
                        > Larry, I agree
                        >
                        > with you and did not iterate that in my post, that the
                        > additional
                        >
                        > benefit of the higher water level in the lower was allowing
                        > for
                        >
                        > displacing more from the lower during a longer brew cycle
                        > without
                        >
                        > scorching, which is what I think happens with Sunbeams (and
                        > even to
                        >
                        > some degree a Cory automatic if you don't unplug it
                        > right away).
                        >
                        > However, I tend to enjoy a slightly "nutty" taste
                        > in my coffee which
                        >
                        > may come from that slight bit of scorching on the way down.
                        > Not 100%
                        >
                        > sure, but I think that's what does it, and that's
                        > why I like the cory
                        >
                        > automatic. I think this is why we all have our favorite
                        > pots and
                        >
                        > each of us for different reasons.
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > Roland
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >
                        > > From: Larry Hollenberg
                        >
                        > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                        > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                        >
                        > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:12 AM
                        >
                        > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > Roland, All,
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > I think your explanation sounds good. I don't
                        > know if the Robot
                        >
                        > removes all the water from the bottom or not? The Sunbeam
                        > says it
                        >
                        > removed all the water, but many feel this causes the
                        > "burnt" effect
                        >
                        > to the coffee coming down on the super hot metal with no
                        > tempering
                        >
                        > water left. I personally think the ability of it to mix
                        > with a bit of
                        >
                        > water is a good, not a bad thing.
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > That filter in the robot, depending on the one can be
                        > a real pain.
                        >
                        > I had mostly those with the brown colored Bakelite and they
                        > stalled
                        >
                        > nearly every time I used them. I think I also had a filter
                        > that would
                        >
                        > take a cloth filter but didn't use it much.
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > Larry
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, rsburritt@.. . <rsburritt@.
                        > ..> wrote:
                        >
                        > >
                        >
                        > > > From: rsburritt@.. . <rsburritt@. ..>
                        >
                        > > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                        >
                        > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                        > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                        >
                        > > > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:45 PM
                        >
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                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > I'm not an expert, but I think I'd
                        >
                        > > > prefer the shorter spout based purely on physics
                        > and
                        >
                        > > > here's why.
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > You have more water left in the lower pot by the
                        > time it
                        >
                        > > > bubbles in the upper, which means you can let it
                        > steam
                        >
                        > > > longer, which effectively removes more mass from
                        > the lower
                        >
                        > > > pot by way of evaporation as the steam bubbles
                        > up through
                        >
                        > > > the brew in the top. While you don't want to
                        > let it
                        >
                        > > > overbrew, which can make it bitter or too
                        > storng, I think
                        >
                        > > > you can counter the effects of the longer
                        > brewing cycle by
                        >
                        > > > using a coarser ground. The benefit of removing
                        > more mass
                        >
                        > > > (by way of evaporation) from the lower during
                        > the brew (by
                        >
                        > > > way of steam evaporation) is that it gives the
                        > pot the
                        >
                        > > > ability to create a stronger vacuum, and for a
                        > longer period
                        >
                        > > > of time, when the brew is heading south. Part of
                        > what makes
                        >
                        > > > vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is the way
                        > the grounds
                        >
                        > > > get compacted around the filter during the
                        > heading south
                        >
                        > > > process, and the brew is forcefully sucked down
                        > into the
                        >
                        > > > lower pot through the compacted grounds (in a
                        > distant way,
                        >
                        > > > this is distantly related to the manner in which
                        > espresso is
                        >
                        > > > done). Additionally, the coarser grind and
                        > stronger vacuum
                        >
                        > > > can mean less chance of stalling. Just my 2
                        > cents. I
                        >
                        > > > don't have a Farber robot to experiment on,
                        > but this is
                        >
                        > > > just going by my general experience with the
                        > vacpots that I
                        >
                        > > > have and having experimented with different
                        > ones, and how
                        >
                        > > > the physics of it works. I could be wrong of
                        > course.
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > Roland
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > From: seavandal91203
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                        >
                        > > > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:55 PM
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > I think you may be right on this one being one
                        > of the
                        >
                        > > > earlier Robots.
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > The cloth cord with the on off switch is
                        > certainly older
                        >
                        > > > than the
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > plastic/rubber cords I've seen with other
                        > units. The
                        >
                        > > > filter is bakelite
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > and metal. This too seems like the old style
                        > from what
                        >
                        > > > I've read. If
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > they were experimenting with different lengths
                        > of stems and
                        >
                        > > > filter
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > styles in the early days, this Robot might just
                        > be one of
                        >
                        > > > the first. I
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might
                        > help me date
                        >
                        > > > it. Anyway,
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > any info on Robots from other members would be
                        > truly
                        >
                        > > > appreciated!
                        >
                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > Thanks Larry for all of your insightful info!
                        > Chris
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                      • Dave Leonard
                        Chris, I have the same problem of filter plugging with a Sunbeam wire mesh filter. My KitchenAid Pro grinder has some fine grounds mix in with the larger size
                        Message 11 of 19 , Jan 24, 2009
                          Chris,

                          I have the same problem of filter plugging with a Sunbeam wire mesh filter. My
                          KitchenAid Pro grinder has some fine grounds mix in with the larger size it's set for.
                          I picked a larger sized grind than I wanted to minimize this. Now it doesn't plug up.
                          I suspect the quality of the grinder makes a difference.

                          Dave


                          seavandal91203 <seavandal@...> wrote:
                          The Robot came out this afternoon, as seems to be the afternoon
                          ritual these days, and I filled it up to it's 8 cup max. I had been
                          using 6 cups before. I used a Tablespoon per cup of fresh grind
                          percolator setting in the bowl and plugged it in. The brewing coffee
                          level in the bowl was higher than before. The brew time was shorter
                          by about a minute. As it went south, it stalled about 3/4 of the way
                          down. When I poured a cup, the bowl finally drained. Good cup! There
                          is certainly a lot of water bubbling during the brewing stage and it
                          never ceases until it shuts off. The burr grinder I have been using
                          is a Braun from the 60's. The grinds are a little uneven which makes
                          me think that the fines are clogging the bakelite filter.Does this
                          happen a lot with this type of filter? One of these days, I'll find
                          the magic combo of water and bean and grind. I have been checking out
                          the air poppers to roast my own at home. Any luck with those units
                          for any of you guys? Store bought Gourmet is as close as I've come to
                          good whole bean. Thanks for all of your comments. I love hearing the
                          pros talk about this stuff as well as reading past posts from all of
                          you. Adios, Chris

                          --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, Dave Leonard
                          <the_hurdy_gurdyman@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > This discussion about the water level in the bottom part of the
                          Sunbeam Coffeemaster got my attention. I've always thought the coffee
                          these made had a bit of a burnt taste. I have a working C50 and C30,
                          with an extra C30 parts pot. I took the extra funnel spout and ground
                          about 1/4 inch off the end and tried it on both my C50 and C30. Doing
                          this modification increases the brew time some. My C50 used to have
                          about a 2 minute 30 second brew time. I shut it off at 4 minutes with
                          the shortened spout (it was still going and smelling hot). With the
                          C30, the original had about a 1 minute 15 second brew time. It now
                          has a 1min 55 second brew time. The C50, with the 4 minute brew time,
                          did not taste burnt at all and tasted good. I only boiled water with
                          the C30, so can't comment yet about burnt taste. Even with the
                          shorter brew time than the original length was, it always tasted
                          somewhat burnt ( I actually preferred my Bodum electric with 1/8 inch
                          sawed off it's spout over the stock
                          > Sunbeam, which I did months ago).
                          > I'm going to try the shortened spout on my modified (butchered?)
                          C50 I converted to a stove top brewer. This could get interesting...
                          >
                          > Dave
                          >
                          >
                          > rsburritt@... wrote: Larry, I agree
                          with you and did not iterate that in my post, that the additional
                          benefit of the higher water level in the lower was allowing for
                          displacing more from the lower during a longer brew cycle without
                          scorching, which is what I think happens with Sunbeams (and even to
                          some degree a Cory automatic if you don't unplug it right away).
                          However, I tend to enjoy a slightly "nutty" taste in my coffee which
                          may come from that slight bit of scorching on the way down. Not 100%
                          sure, but I think that's what does it, and that's why I like the cory
                          automatic. I think this is why we all have our favorite pots and
                          each of us for different reasons.
                          >
                          > Roland
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Larry Hollenberg
                          > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:12 AM
                          > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                          >
                          > Roland, All,
                          >
                          > I think your explanation sounds good. I don't know if the Robot
                          removes all the water from the bottom or not? The Sunbeam says it
                          removed all the water, but many feel this causes the "burnt" effect
                          to the coffee coming down on the super hot metal with no tempering
                          water left. I personally think the ability of it to mix with a bit of
                          water is a good, not a bad thing.
                          >
                          > That filter in the robot, depending on the one can be a real pain.
                          I had mostly those with the brown colored Bakelite and they stalled
                          nearly every time I used them. I think I also had a filter that would
                          take a cloth filter but didn't use it much.
                          >
                          > Larry
                          >
                          > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > > From: rsburritt@... <rsburritt@...>
                          > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                          > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:45 PM
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > I'm not an expert, but I think I'd
                          > > prefer the shorter spout based purely on physics and
                          > > here's why.
                          > >
                          > > You have more water left in the lower pot by the time it
                          > > bubbles in the upper, which means you can let it steam
                          > > longer, which effectively removes more mass from the lower
                          > > pot by way of evaporation as the steam bubbles up through
                          > > the brew in the top. While you don't want to let it
                          > > overbrew, which can make it bitter or too storng, I think
                          > > you can counter the effects of the longer brewing cycle by
                          > > using a coarser ground. The benefit of removing more mass
                          > > (by way of evaporation) from the lower during the brew (by
                          > > way of steam evaporation) is that it gives the pot the
                          > > ability to create a stronger vacuum, and for a longer period
                          > > of time, when the brew is heading south. Part of what makes
                          > > vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is the way the grounds
                          > > get compacted around the filter during the heading south
                          > > process, and the brew is forcefully sucked down into the
                          > > lower pot through the compacted grounds (in a distant way,
                          > > this is distantly related to the manner in which espresso is
                          > > done). Additionally, the coarser grind and stronger vacuum
                          > > can mean less chance of stalling. Just my 2 cents. I
                          > > don't have a Farber robot to experiment on, but this is
                          > > just going by my general experience with the vacpots that I
                          > > have and having experimented with different ones, and how
                          > > the physics of it works. I could be wrong of course.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Roland
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > >
                          > > From: seavandal91203
                          > >
                          > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                          > > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                          > >
                          > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:55 PM
                          > >
                          > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > I think you may be right on this one being one of the
                          > > earlier Robots.
                          > >
                          > > The cloth cord with the on off switch is certainly older
                          > > than the
                          > >
                          > > plastic/rubber cords I've seen with other units. The
                          > > filter is bakelite
                          > >
                          > > and metal. This too seems like the old style from what
                          > > I've read. If
                          > >
                          > > they were experimenting with different lengths of stems and
                          > > filter
                          > >
                          > > styles in the early days, this Robot might just be one of
                          > > the first. I
                          > >
                          > > wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might help me date
                          > > it. Anyway,
                          > >
                          > > any info on Robots from other members would be truly
                          > > appreciated!
                          > >
                          > > Thanks Larry for all of your insightful info! Chris
                          > >
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                        • Dave Leonard
                          Larry, Have you ever tried an electric Bodum vac pot? I have both the 5 cup and 12 cup. I trimmed about 1/8 inch of each funnel spout to increase brew time.
                          Message 12 of 19 , Jan 24, 2009
                            Larry,
                            Have you ever tried an electric Bodum vac pot? I have both the 5 cup and 12 cup. I trimmed about 1/8 inch of each funnel spout to increase brew time. Both of them are very consistent in brew time and make nice coffee. Ultimately I can get a better brew from my stove-top pots, but this is mostly because I let them start to boil and then put the funnel on, while I use the electric pots when I don't want to stand around watching them.
                            Dave




                            Chris,

                            Yes the filter in the Robot stalled quite badly in my Farberware non automatic stainless pots I had as well. It was quite frustrating as it almost never went down properly. I think the design is faulty some way. Your observation of varying time with different amounts of water is correct also. That also happens with other brewers such as the Cory. I had a couple that would make a perfect four cups but if I made 8 it would return the brew in about 30 seconds instead of the 2 minutes with the four. That is one of the reasons I pretty much gave up on automatics in every day use. They are great fun to see operate and try out, but to much trouble most of the time. I know some of them work flawless and I have had such, but too many don't work as they should any longer. I had absolutely no luck with the thermostat on the robot, in fact I sent it off to a repair place that supposedly knew how to fix it. Well they didn't and it still cost me a bundle.

                            Larry

                            --- On Sat, 1/24/09, seavandal91203 <seavandal@...> wrote:

                            > From: seavandal91203 <seavandal@...>
                            > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                            > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                            > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 7:11 PM
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > The Robot came out this afternoon, as seems to be the
                            > afternoon
                            >
                            > ritual these days, and I filled it up to it's 8 cup
                            > max. I had been
                            >
                            > using 6 cups before. I used a Tablespoon per cup of fresh
                            > grind
                            >
                            > percolator setting in the bowl and plugged it in. The
                            > brewing coffee
                            >
                            > level in the bowl was higher than before. The brew time was
                            > shorter
                            >
                            > by about a minute. As it went south, it stalled about 3/4
                            > of the way
                            >
                            > down. When I poured a cup, the bowl finally drained. Good
                            > cup! There
                            >
                            > is certainly a lot of water bubbling during the brewing
                            > stage and it
                            >
                            > never ceases until it shuts off. The burr grinder I have
                            > been using
                            >
                            > is a Braun from the 60's. The grinds are a little
                            > uneven which makes
                            >
                            > me think that the fines are clogging the bakelite
                            > filter.Does this
                            >
                            > happen a lot with this type of filter? One of these days,
                            > I'll find
                            >
                            > the magic combo of water and bean and grind. I have been
                            > checking out
                            >
                            > the air poppers to roast my own at home. Any luck with
                            > those units
                            >
                            > for any of you guys? Store bought Gourmet is as close as
                            > I've come to
                            >
                            > good whole bean. Thanks for all of your comments. I love
                            > hearing the
                            >
                            > pros talk about this stuff as well as reading past posts
                            > from all of
                            >
                            > you. Adios, Chris
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                            > ector@yahoogroup s.com, Dave Leonard
                            >
                            > <the_hurdy_gurdyman @...> wrote:
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > This discussion about the water level in the bottom
                            > part of the
                            >
                            > Sunbeam Coffeemaster got my attention. I've always
                            > thought the coffee
                            >
                            > these made had a bit of a burnt taste. I have a working C50
                            > and C30,
                            >
                            > with an extra C30 parts pot. I took the extra funnel spout
                            > and ground
                            >
                            > about 1/4 inch off the end and tried it on both my C50 and
                            > C30. Doing
                            >
                            > this modification increases the brew time some. My C50 used
                            > to have
                            >
                            > about a 2 minute 30 second brew time. I shut it off at 4
                            > minutes with
                            >
                            > the shortened spout (it was still going and smelling hot).
                            > With the
                            >
                            > C30, the original had about a 1 minute 15 second brew time.
                            > It now
                            >
                            > has a 1min 55 second brew time. The C50, with the 4 minute
                            > brew time,
                            >
                            > did not taste burnt at all and tasted good. I only boiled
                            > water with
                            >
                            > the C30, so can't comment yet about burnt taste. Even
                            > with the
                            >
                            > shorter brew time than the original length was, it always
                            > tasted
                            >
                            > somewhat burnt ( I actually preferred my Bodum electric
                            > with 1/8 inch
                            >
                            > sawed off it's spout over the stock
                            >
                            > > Sunbeam, which I did months ago).
                            >
                            > > I'm going to try the shortened spout on my
                            > modified (butchered?)
                            >
                            > C50 I converted to a stove top brewer. This could get
                            > interesting. ..
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > Dave
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > rsburritt@.. . wrote:
                            > Larry, I agree
                            >
                            > with you and did not iterate that in my post, that the
                            > additional
                            >
                            > benefit of the higher water level in the lower was allowing
                            > for
                            >
                            > displacing more from the lower during a longer brew cycle
                            > without
                            >
                            > scorching, which is what I think happens with Sunbeams (and
                            > even to
                            >
                            > some degree a Cory automatic if you don't unplug it
                            > right away).
                            >
                            > However, I tend to enjoy a slightly "nutty" taste
                            > in my coffee which
                            >
                            > may come from that slight bit of scorching on the way down.
                            > Not 100%
                            >
                            > sure, but I think that's what does it, and that's
                            > why I like the cory
                            >
                            > automatic. I think this is why we all have our favorite
                            > pots and
                            >
                            > each of us for different reasons.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > Roland
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            >
                            > > From: Larry Hollenberg
                            >
                            > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                            > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                            >
                            > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:12 AM
                            >
                            > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > Roland, All,
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > I think your explanation sounds good. I don't
                            > know if the Robot
                            >
                            > removes all the water from the bottom or not? The Sunbeam
                            > says it
                            >
                            > removed all the water, but many feel this causes the
                            > "burnt" effect
                            >
                            > to the coffee coming down on the super hot metal with no
                            > tempering
                            >
                            > water left. I personally think the ability of it to mix
                            > with a bit of
                            >
                            > water is a good, not a bad thing.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > That filter in the robot, depending on the one can be
                            > a real pain.
                            >
                            > I had mostly those with the brown colored Bakelite and they
                            > stalled
                            >
                            > nearly every time I used them. I think I also had a filter
                            > that would
                            >
                            > take a cloth filter but didn't use it much.
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > Larry
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, rsburritt@.. . <rsburritt@.
                            > ..> wrote:
                            >
                            > >
                            >
                            > > > From: rsburritt@.. . <rsburritt@. ..>
                            >
                            > > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                            >
                            > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                            > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                            >
                            > > > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:45 PM
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                            > > > I'm not an expert, but I think I'd
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                            > and
                            >
                            > > > here's why.
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                            > > > You have more water left in the lower pot by the
                            > time it
                            >
                            > > > bubbles in the upper, which means you can let it
                            > steam
                            >
                            > > > longer, which effectively removes more mass from
                            > the lower
                            >
                            > > > pot by way of evaporation as the steam bubbles
                            > up through
                            >
                            > > > the brew in the top. While you don't want to
                            > let it
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                            > > > overbrew, which can make it bitter or too
                            > storng, I think
                            >
                            > > > you can counter the effects of the longer
                            > brewing cycle by
                            >
                            > > > using a coarser ground. The benefit of removing
                            > more mass
                            >
                            > > > (by way of evaporation) from the lower during
                            > the brew (by
                            >
                            > > > way of steam evaporation) is that it gives the
                            > pot the
                            >
                            > > > ability to create a stronger vacuum, and for a
                            > longer period
                            >
                            > > > of time, when the brew is heading south. Part of
                            > what makes
                            >
                            > > > vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is the way
                            > the grounds
                            >
                            > > > get compacted around the filter during the
                            > heading south
                            >
                            > > > process, and the brew is forcefully sucked down
                            > into the
                            >
                            > > > lower pot through the compacted grounds (in a
                            > distant way,
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                            > > > this is distantly related to the manner in which
                            > espresso is
                            >
                            > > > done). Additionally, the coarser grind and
                            > stronger vacuum
                            >
                            > > > can mean less chance of stalling. Just my 2
                            > cents. I
                            >
                            > > > don't have a Farber robot to experiment on,
                            > but this is
                            >
                            > > > just going by my general experience with the
                            > vacpots that I
                            >
                            > > > have and having experimented with different
                            > ones, and how
                            >
                            > > > the physics of it works. I could be wrong of
                            > course.
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                            > > > Roland
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                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > From: seavandal91203
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                            >
                            > > > ector@yahoogroup s.com
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                            > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:55 PM
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                            > > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > I think you may be right on this one being one
                            > of the
                            >
                            > > > earlier Robots.
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > The cloth cord with the on off switch is
                            > certainly older
                            >
                            > > > than the
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > plastic/rubber cords I've seen with other
                            > units. The
                            >
                            > > > filter is bakelite
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > and metal. This too seems like the old style
                            > from what
                            >
                            > > > I've read. If
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > they were experimenting with different lengths
                            > of stems and
                            >
                            > > > filter
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > styles in the early days, this Robot might just
                            > be one of
                            >
                            > > > the first. I
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe might
                            > help me date
                            >
                            > > > it. Anyway,
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > any info on Robots from other members would be
                            > truly
                            >
                            > > > appreciated!
                            >
                            > > >
                            >
                            > > > Thanks Larry for all of your insightful info!
                            > Chris
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                          • Larry Hollenberg
                            Dave, No I have not tried the new vacuum pots. Undoubtedly they would be a reliable way to make your coffee. I have mostly concentrated on vintage items since
                            Message 13 of 19 , Jan 25, 2009
                              Dave,

                              No I have not tried the new vacuum pots. Undoubtedly they would be a reliable way to make your coffee. I have mostly concentrated on vintage items since that is a passion of mine. I am not opposed to new as long as it works though. It seems I have seen various reviews here of the Bodium pots from time to time and if I recall correctly some seemed more happy with some models than others?

                              Larry

                              --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Dave Leonard <the_hurdy_gurdyman@...> wrote:

                              > From: Dave Leonard <the_hurdy_gurdyman@...>
                              > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                              > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                              > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 10:52 PM
                              >
                              >
                              >
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                              >
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                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Larry,
                              >
                              > Have you ever tried an electric Bodum vac pot? I have both
                              > the 5 cup and 12 cup. I trimmed about 1/8 inch of each
                              > funnel spout to increase brew time. Both of them are very
                              > consistent in brew time and make nice coffee. Ultimately I
                              > can get a better brew from my stove-top pots, but this is
                              > mostly because I let them start to boil and then put the
                              > funnel on, while I use the electric pots when I don't
                              > want to stand around watching them.
                              >
                              > Dave
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Chris,
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Yes the filter in the Robot stalled quite badly in my
                              > Farberware non automatic stainless pots I had as well. It
                              > was quite frustrating as it almost never went down properly.
                              > I think the design is faulty some way. Your observation of
                              > varying time with different amounts of water is correct
                              > also. That also happens with other brewers such as the Cory.
                              > I had a couple that would make a perfect four cups but if I
                              > made 8 it would return the brew in about 30 seconds instead
                              > of the 2 minutes with the four. That is one of the reasons I
                              > pretty much gave up on automatics in every day use. They are
                              > great fun to see operate and try out, but to much trouble
                              > most of the time. I know some of them work flawless and I
                              > have had such, but too many don't work as they should
                              > any longer. I had absolutely no luck with the thermostat on
                              > the robot, in fact I sent it off to a repair place that
                              > supposedly knew how to fix it. Well they didn't and it
                              > still cost me a bundle.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Larry
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, seavandal91203 <seavandal@hotmail.
                              > com> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > > From: seavandal91203 <seavandal@hotmail.
                              > com>
                              >
                              > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                              >
                              > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                              > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                              >
                              > > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 7:11 PM
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > >
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                              >
                              > > The Robot came out this afternoon, as seems to be
                              > the
                              >
                              > > afternoon
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > ritual these days, and I filled it up to it's 8
                              > cup
                              >
                              > > max. I had been
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > using 6 cups before. I used a Tablespoon per cup of
                              > fresh
                              >
                              > > grind
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > percolator setting in the bowl and plugged it in.
                              > The
                              >
                              > > brewing coffee
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > level in the bowl was higher than before. The brew
                              > time was
                              >
                              > > shorter
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > by about a minute. As it went south, it stalled about
                              > 3/4
                              >
                              > > of the way
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > down. When I poured a cup, the bowl finally drained.
                              > Good
                              >
                              > > cup! There
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > is certainly a lot of water bubbling during the
                              > brewing
                              >
                              > > stage and it
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > never ceases until it shuts off. The burr grinder I
                              > have
                              >
                              > > been using
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > is a Braun from the 60's. The grinds are a
                              > little
                              >
                              > > uneven which makes
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > me think that the fines are clogging the bakelite
                              >
                              > > filter.Does this
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > happen a lot with this type of filter? One of these
                              > days,
                              >
                              > > I'll find
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > the magic combo of water and bean and grind. I have
                              > been
                              >
                              > > checking out
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > the air poppers to roast my own at home. Any luck
                              > with
                              >
                              > > those units
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > for any of you guys? Store bought Gourmet is as close
                              > as
                              >
                              > > I've come to
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > good whole bean. Thanks for all of your comments. I
                              > love
                              >
                              > > hearing the
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > pros talk about this stuff as well as reading past
                              > posts
                              >
                              > > from all of
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > you. Adios, Chris
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > --- In vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                              >
                              > > ector@yahoogroup s.com, Dave Leonard
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > <the_hurdy_gurdyman @...> wrote:
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > This discussion about the water level in the
                              > bottom
                              >
                              > > part of the
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > Sunbeam Coffeemaster got my attention. I've
                              > always
                              >
                              > > thought the coffee
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > these made had a bit of a burnt taste. I have a
                              > working C50
                              >
                              > > and C30,
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > with an extra C30 parts pot. I took the extra funnel
                              > spout
                              >
                              > > and ground
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > about 1/4 inch off the end and tried it on both my
                              > C50 and
                              >
                              > > C30. Doing
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > this modification increases the brew time some. My
                              > C50 used
                              >
                              > > to have
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > about a 2 minute 30 second brew time. I shut it off
                              > at 4
                              >
                              > > minutes with
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > the shortened spout (it was still going and smelling
                              > hot).
                              >
                              > > With the
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > C30, the original had about a 1 minute 15 second brew
                              > time.
                              >
                              > > It now
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > has a 1min 55 second brew time. The C50, with the 4
                              > minute
                              >
                              > > brew time,
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > did not taste burnt at all and tasted good. I only
                              > boiled
                              >
                              > > water with
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > the C30, so can't comment yet about burnt taste.
                              > Even
                              >
                              > > with the
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > shorter brew time than the original length was, it
                              > always
                              >
                              > > tasted
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > somewhat burnt ( I actually preferred my Bodum
                              > electric
                              >
                              > > with 1/8 inch
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > sawed off it's spout over the stock
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > Sunbeam, which I did months ago).
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > I'm going to try the shortened spout on my
                              >
                              > > modified (butchered?)
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > C50 I converted to a stove top brewer. This could
                              > get
                              >
                              > > interesting. ..
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > Dave
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > rsburritt@.. . wrote:
                              >
                              > > Larry, I agree
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > with you and did not iterate that in my post, that
                              > the
                              >
                              > > additional
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > benefit of the higher water level in the lower was
                              > allowing
                              >
                              > > for
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > displacing more from the lower during a longer brew
                              > cycle
                              >
                              > > without
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > scorching, which is what I think happens with
                              > Sunbeams (and
                              >
                              > > even to
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > some degree a Cory automatic if you don't unplug
                              > it
                              >
                              > > right away).
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > However, I tend to enjoy a slightly "nutty"
                              > taste
                              >
                              > > in my coffee which
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > may come from that slight bit of scorching on the way
                              > down.
                              >
                              > > Not 100%
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > sure, but I think that's what does it, and
                              > that's
                              >
                              > > why I like the cory
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > automatic. I think this is why we all have our
                              > favorite
                              >
                              > > pots and
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > each of us for different reasons.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > Roland
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > From: Larry Hollenberg
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                              >
                              > > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 7:12 AM
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > Roland, All,
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > I think your explanation sounds good. I
                              > don't
                              >
                              > > know if the Robot
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > removes all the water from the bottom or not? The
                              > Sunbeam
                              >
                              > > says it
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > removed all the water, but many feel this causes the
                              >
                              > > "burnt" effect
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > to the coffee coming down on the super hot metal with
                              > no
                              >
                              > > tempering
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > water left. I personally think the ability of it to
                              > mix
                              >
                              > > with a bit of
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > water is a good, not a bad thing.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > That filter in the robot, depending on the one
                              > can be
                              >
                              > > a real pain.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > I had mostly those with the brown colored Bakelite
                              > and they
                              >
                              > > stalled
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > nearly every time I used them. I think I also had a
                              > filter
                              >
                              > > that would
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > take a cloth filter but didn't use it much.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > Larry
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > --- On Fri, 1/23/09, rsburritt@.. .
                              > <rsburritt@.
                              >
                              > > ..> wrote:
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                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > From: rsburritt@.. . <rsburritt@.
                              > ..>
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                              >
                              > > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 11:45 PM
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                              > > > > I'm not an expert, but I think I'd
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > prefer the shorter spout based purely on
                              > physics
                              >
                              > > and
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > here's why.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
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                              > > > > You have more water left in the lower pot
                              > by the
                              >
                              > > time it
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > bubbles in the upper, which means you can
                              > let it
                              >
                              > > steam
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > longer, which effectively removes more mass
                              > from
                              >
                              > > the lower
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                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > pot by way of evaporation as the steam
                              > bubbles
                              >
                              > > up through
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > the brew in the top. While you don't
                              > want to
                              >
                              > > let it
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > overbrew, which can make it bitter or too
                              >
                              > > storng, I think
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > you can counter the effects of the longer
                              >
                              > > brewing cycle by
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > using a coarser ground. The benefit of
                              > removing
                              >
                              > > more mass
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > (by way of evaporation) from the lower
                              > during
                              >
                              > > the brew (by
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > way of steam evaporation) is that it gives
                              > the
                              >
                              > > pot the
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > ability to create a stronger vacuum, and
                              > for a
                              >
                              > > longer period
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > of time, when the brew is heading south.
                              > Part of
                              >
                              > > what makes
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > vacpot brewing have its unique flavor is
                              > the way
                              >
                              > > the grounds
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > get compacted around the filter during the
                              >
                              > > heading south
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > process, and the brew is forcefully sucked
                              > down
                              >
                              > > into the
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > lower pot through the compacted grounds (in
                              > a
                              >
                              > > distant way,
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > this is distantly related to the manner in
                              > which
                              >
                              > > espresso is
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > done). Additionally, the coarser grind and
                              >
                              > > stronger vacuum
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > can mean less chance of stalling. Just my
                              > 2
                              >
                              > > cents. I
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > don't have a Farber robot to experiment
                              > on,
                              >
                              > > but this is
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > just going by my general experience with
                              > the
                              >
                              > > vacpots that I
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > have and having experimented with
                              > different
                              >
                              > > ones, and how
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > the physics of it works. I could be wrong
                              > of
                              >
                              > > course.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
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                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
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                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > Roland
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                              > >
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                              >
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > From: seavandal91203
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:55 PM
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > I think you may be right on this one being
                              > one
                              >
                              > > of the
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > earlier Robots.
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > The cloth cord with the on off switch is
                              >
                              > > certainly older
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > than the
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > plastic/rubber cords I've seen with
                              > other
                              >
                              > > units. The
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > filter is bakelite
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > and metal. This too seems like the old
                              > style
                              >
                              > > from what
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > I've read. If
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > they were experimenting with different
                              > lengths
                              >
                              > > of stems and
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > filter
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > styles in the early days, this Robot might
                              > just
                              >
                              > > be one of
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > the first. I
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > wonder if the Dunbar name on the globe
                              > might
                              >
                              > > help me date
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > it. Anyway,
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > any info on Robots from other members would
                              > be
                              >
                              > > truly
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > appreciated!
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > >
                              >
                              > >
                              >
                              > > > > Thanks Larry for all of your insightful
                              > info!
                              >
                              > > Chris
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                            • STEVEN PHILLIP LEWIS
                              Larry and Chris, I am more a collector of vacpots than a user so I have not used any of the Coffee Robots. I have a dozen or more of the various Farberware
                              Message 14 of 19 , Jan 25, 2009
                                Larry and Chris,

                                I am more a collector of vacpots than a user so I have not used any of
                                the Coffee Robots. I have a dozen or more of the various Farberware
                                models. I pulled out four this afternoon and looked at the clearance
                                between the end of the draw tube (siphon) and the bottom of the carafe.
                                The siphon was the same length in all four but the clearance was
                                different. I looked at a Model 600 (6 cup) and it had a clearance of
                                about a half an inch. The 500 (8 cup) a clearance of about 3/4 inch.
                                The 505 (10 cup) about 2-1/2 inch and the 510 (8 cup) about 3/4 inch. I
                                think there are only two sizes for the glass top, the one on the 600 is
                                certainly smaller than the others. Some day I should get them all out
                                and do some serious comparing.

                                Steven (oribatids)


                                Larry Hollenberg wrote:


                                >Chris,
                                >
                                >The photos are fine. Its a great looking Robot for sure and it would
                                appear probably to be correct in the parts but perhaps Steven or
                                someone else can compare your photo to their Robot of the same design?
                                Those are of an early vintage when they were just learning about
                                automatic vacuum pots and that design with the shorted uptake tube may
                                just be the way they made them? I know some of the typical glass pots
                                have somewhat differing lengths to the pots. But another thing is that
                                sometimes a wrong size top can go on a bottom causing the issue your
                                wondering about. But I don't know if that is the case here. Robots
                                came in a number of sizes and the glass tops most likely have different
                                length stems. Many of the Corys an Silexs used the same size gasket
                                fitting but the upper and lower stems varied for different sizes.
                                >
                                >Larry
                                >
                                >--- On Fri, 1/23/09, seavandal91203 <seavandal@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >> From: seavandal91203 <seavandal@...>
                                >> Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                                >> To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                >> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 10:18 PM
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
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                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> I posted a few pictures of the Robot under
                                >> Chris' Robot. I've looked at
                                >>
                                >> other vacpots and they too seem to have a little room
                                >> between the
                                >>
                                >> bottom of the tube and the bottom of the coffee maker. The
                                >> filter seems
                                >>
                                >> like the right one but the tube does have the bulge for the
                                >> spring
                                >>
                                >> loaded wire one. "oribatids" has several Robots.
                                >> I wonder if his 500
                                >>
                                >> has a similar globe setup. He may be the one to check for
                                >> the length of
                                >>
                                >> the tube (mine is 2 3/4" long). The end of the tube
                                >> has been ground and
                                >>
                                >> looks factory. I'll take more shots tomorrow when the
                                >> light is better.
                                >>
                                >> Thanks for the info. More later.... Chris
                                >>
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                              • Larry Hollenberg
                                Steven, Thanks, I wondered if you were still out there somewhere.. that would explain the difference in length then compared to a latter design where the
                                Message 15 of 19 , Jan 25, 2009
                                  Steven,

                                  Thanks, I wondered if you were still out there somewhere.. that would explain the difference in length then compared to a latter design where the length seems to vary by cup size in most cases.

                                  Hope all is well.

                                  Larry

                                  --- On Sun, 1/25/09, STEVEN PHILLIP LEWIS <lewissp@...> wrote:

                                  > From: STEVEN PHILLIP LEWIS <lewissp@...>
                                  > Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                                  > To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 6:44 PM
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
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                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Larry and Chris,
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I am more a collector of vacpots than a user so I have not
                                  > used any of
                                  >
                                  > the Coffee Robots. I have a dozen or more of the various
                                  > Farberware
                                  >
                                  > models. I pulled out four this afternoon and looked at the
                                  > clearance
                                  >
                                  > between the end of the draw tube (siphon) and the bottom of
                                  > the carafe.
                                  >
                                  > The siphon was the same length in all four but the
                                  > clearance was
                                  >
                                  > different. I looked at a Model 600 (6 cup) and it had a
                                  > clearance of
                                  >
                                  > about a half an inch. The 500 (8 cup) a clearance of about
                                  > 3/4 inch.
                                  >
                                  > The 505 (10 cup) about 2-1/2 inch and the 510 (8 cup) about
                                  > 3/4 inch. I
                                  >
                                  > think there are only two sizes for the glass top, the one
                                  > on the 600 is
                                  >
                                  > certainly smaller than the others. Some day I should get
                                  > them all out
                                  >
                                  > and do some serious comparing.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Steven (oribatids)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Larry Hollenberg wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > >Chris,
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > >The photos are fine. Its a great looking Robot for
                                  > sure and it would
                                  >
                                  > appear probably to be correct in the parts but perhaps
                                  > Steven or
                                  >
                                  > someone else can compare your photo to their Robot of the
                                  > same design?
                                  >
                                  > Those are of an early vintage when they were just learning
                                  > about
                                  >
                                  > automatic vacuum pots and that design with the shorted
                                  > uptake tube may
                                  >
                                  > just be the way they made them? I know some of the typical
                                  > glass pots
                                  >
                                  > have somewhat differing lengths to the pots. But another
                                  > thing is that
                                  >
                                  > sometimes a wrong size top can go on a bottom causing the
                                  > issue your
                                  >
                                  > wondering about. But I don't know if that is the case
                                  > here. Robots
                                  >
                                  > came in a number of sizes and the glass tops most likely
                                  > have different
                                  >
                                  > length stems. Many of the Corys an Silexs used the same
                                  > size gasket
                                  >
                                  > fitting but the upper and lower stems varied for different
                                  > sizes.
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > >Larry
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > >--- On Fri, 1/23/09, seavandal91203 <seavandal@hotmail.
                                  > com> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  >
                                  > >> From: seavandal91203 <seavandal@hotmail.
                                  > com>
                                  >
                                  > >> Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                                  >
                                  > >> To: vacuumcoffeepotcoll
                                  > ector@yahoogroup s.com
                                  >
                                  > >> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 10:18 PM
                                  >
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                                  >
                                  > >> I posted a few pictures of the Robot
                                  > under
                                  >
                                  > >> Chris' Robot. I've looked at
                                  >
                                  > >>
                                  >
                                  > >> other vacpots and they too seem to have a little
                                  > room
                                  >
                                  > >> between the
                                  >
                                  > >>
                                  >
                                  > >> bottom of the tube and the bottom of the coffee
                                  > maker. The
                                  >
                                  > >> filter seems
                                  >
                                  > >>
                                  >
                                  > >> like the right one but the tube does have the
                                  > bulge for the
                                  >
                                  > >> spring
                                  >
                                  > >>
                                  >
                                  > >> loaded wire one. "oribatids" has several
                                  > Robots.
                                  >
                                  > >> I wonder if his 500
                                  >
                                  > >>
                                  >
                                  > >> has a similar globe setup. He may be the one to
                                  > check for
                                  >
                                  > >> the length of
                                  >
                                  > >>
                                  >
                                  > >> the tube (mine is 2 3/4" long). The end of
                                  > the tube
                                  >
                                  > >> has been ground and
                                  >
                                  > >>
                                  >
                                  > >> looks factory. I'll take more shots tomorrow
                                  > when the
                                  >
                                  > >> light is better.
                                  >
                                  > >>
                                  >
                                  > >> Thanks for the info. More later.... Chris
                                  >
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                                • seavandal91203
                                  Thanks for your great info Steven. I suspected that this glass bowl was original to the Robot. I felt as though someone might have broken the original and
                                  Message 16 of 19 , Jan 25, 2009
                                    Thanks for your great info Steven. I suspected that this glass bowl
                                    was original to the Robot. I felt as though someone might have broken
                                    the original and replaced it with a short siphoned 600 bowl. I'm a
                                    little confused in your description. You said that the 4 siphons were
                                    the same length but later stated that the 600 has a smaller glass
                                    top. Does that mean that the bowl diameter is smaller or that the
                                    siphon is shorter? I'm just thinking that I might have a 600 size on
                                    my Robot rather than the one that it came with originally. I measured
                                    the distance on mine and it was right at 1 1/2". Do your Robots have
                                    the "Farberware Heat Resist Dunbar" stamp on the bowls? What do you
                                    know about the age of the little filter (metal/bakelite)? I'm also
                                    wondering when the Robots stopped being offered. Thanks again for
                                    your info Steven. My Robot took a rest today but I think it might
                                    come to life tomorrow afternoon! Chris


                                    --- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, STEVEN PHILLIP LEWIS
                                    <lewissp@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Larry and Chris,
                                    >
                                    > I am more a collector of vacpots than a user so I have not used any
                                    of
                                    > the Coffee Robots. I have a dozen or more of the various Farberware
                                    > models. I pulled out four this afternoon and looked at the
                                    clearance
                                    > between the end of the draw tube (siphon) and the bottom of the
                                    carafe.
                                    > The siphon was the same length in all four but the clearance was
                                    > different. I looked at a Model 600 (6 cup) and it had a clearance
                                    of
                                    > about a half an inch. The 500 (8 cup) a clearance of about 3/4
                                    inch.
                                    > The 505 (10 cup) about 2-1/2 inch and the 510 (8 cup) about 3/4
                                    inch. I
                                    > think there are only two sizes for the glass top, the one on the
                                    600 is
                                    > certainly smaller than the others. Some day I should get them all
                                    out
                                    > and do some serious comparing.
                                    >
                                    > Steven (oribatids)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Larry Hollenberg wrote:
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > >Chris,
                                    > >
                                    > >The photos are fine. Its a great looking Robot for sure and it
                                    would
                                    > appear probably to be correct in the parts but perhaps Steven or
                                    > someone else can compare your photo to their Robot of the same
                                    design?
                                    > Those are of an early vintage when they were just learning about
                                    > automatic vacuum pots and that design with the shorted uptake tube
                                    may
                                    > just be the way they made them? I know some of the typical glass
                                    pots
                                    > have somewhat differing lengths to the pots. But another thing is
                                    that
                                    > sometimes a wrong size top can go on a bottom causing the issue
                                    your
                                    > wondering about. But I don't know if that is the case here. Robots
                                    > came in a number of sizes and the glass tops most likely have
                                    different
                                    > length stems. Many of the Corys an Silexs used the same size
                                    gasket
                                    > fitting but the upper and lower stems varied for different sizes.
                                    > >
                                    > >Larry
                                    > >
                                    > >--- On Fri, 1/23/09, seavandal91203 <seavandal@...> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > >> From: seavandal91203 <seavandal@...>
                                    > >> Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                                    > >> To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 10:18 PM
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                                    > >> I posted a few pictures of the Robot under
                                    > >> Chris' Robot. I've looked at
                                    > >>
                                    > >> other vacpots and they too seem to have a little room
                                    > >> between the
                                    > >>
                                    > >> bottom of the tube and the bottom of the coffee maker. The
                                    > >> filter seems
                                    > >>
                                    > >> like the right one but the tube does have the bulge for the
                                    > >> spring
                                    > >>
                                    > >> loaded wire one. "oribatids" has several Robots.
                                    > >> I wonder if his 500
                                    > >>
                                    > >> has a similar globe setup. He may be the one to check for
                                    > >> the length of
                                    > >>
                                    > >> the tube (mine is 2 3/4" long). The end of the tube
                                    > >> has been ground and
                                    > >>
                                    > >> looks factory. I'll take more shots tomorrow when the
                                    > >> light is better.
                                    > >>
                                    > >> Thanks for the info. More later.... Chris
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                                  • STEVEN PHILLIP LEWIS
                                    The difference in the two globes is the diameter of the glass and the its height. I will do some more checking. Steven
                                    Message 17 of 19 , Jan 26, 2009
                                      The difference in the two globes is the diameter of the glass and the
                                      its height. I will do some more checking.

                                      Steven


                                      seavandal91203 wrote:


                                      >Thanks for your great info Steven. I suspected that this glass bowl
                                      >was original to the Robot. I felt as though someone might have broken
                                      >the original and replaced it with a short siphoned 600 bowl. I'm a
                                      >little confused in your description. You said that the 4 siphons were
                                      >the same length but later stated that the 600 has a smaller glass
                                      >top. Does that mean that the bowl diameter is smaller or that the
                                      >siphon is shorter? I'm just thinking that I might have a 600 size on
                                      >my Robot rather than the one that it came with originally. I measured
                                      >the distance on mine and it was right at 1 1/2". Do your Robots have
                                      >the "Farberware Heat Resist Dunbar" stamp on the bowls? What do you
                                      >know about the age of the little filter (metal/bakelite)? I'm also
                                      >wondering when the Robots stopped being offered. Thanks again for
                                      >your info Steven. My Robot took a rest today but I think it might
                                      >come to life tomorrow afternoon! Chris
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >--- In vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com, STEVEN PHILLIP LEWIS
                                      ><lewissp@...> wrote:
                                      >>
                                      >> Larry and Chris,
                                      >>
                                      >> I am more a collector of vacpots than a user so I have not used any
                                      >of
                                      >> the Coffee Robots. I have a dozen or more of the various Farberware
                                      >> models. I pulled out four this afternoon and looked at the
                                      >clearance
                                      >> between the end of the draw tube (siphon) and the bottom of the
                                      >carafe.
                                      >> The siphon was the same length in all four but the clearance was
                                      >> different. I looked at a Model 600 (6 cup) and it had a clearance
                                      >of
                                      >> about a half an inch. The 500 (8 cup) a clearance of about 3/4
                                      >inch.
                                      >> The 505 (10 cup) about 2-1/2 inch and the 510 (8 cup) about 3/4
                                      >inch. I
                                      >> think there are only two sizes for the glass top, the one on the
                                      >600 is
                                      >> certainly smaller than the others. Some day I should get them all
                                      >out
                                      >> and do some serious comparing.
                                      >>
                                      >> Steven (oribatids)
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> Larry Hollenberg wrote:
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> >Chris,
                                      >> >
                                      >> >The photos are fine. Its a great looking Robot for sure and it
                                      >would
                                      >> appear probably to be correct in the parts but perhaps Steven or
                                      >> someone else can compare your photo to their Robot of the same
                                      >design?
                                      >> Those are of an early vintage when they were just learning about
                                      >> automatic vacuum pots and that design with the shorted uptake tube
                                      >may
                                      >> just be the way they made them? I know some of the typical glass
                                      >pots
                                      >> have somewhat differing lengths to the pots. But another thing is
                                      >that
                                      >> sometimes a wrong size top can go on a bottom causing the issue
                                      >your
                                      >> wondering about. But I don't know if that is the case here. Robots
                                      >> came in a number of sizes and the glass tops most likely have
                                      >different
                                      >> length stems. Many of the Corys an Silexs used the same size
                                      >gasket
                                      >> fitting but the upper and lower stems varied for different sizes.
                                      >> >
                                      >> >Larry
                                      >> >
                                      >> >--- On Fri, 1/23/09, seavandal91203 <seavandal@...> wrote:
                                      >> >
                                      >> >> From: seavandal91203 <seavandal@...>
                                      >> >> Subject: Re: [vacpot] Robot questions
                                      >> >> To: vacuumcoffeepotcollector@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> >> Date: Friday, January 23, 2009, 10:18 PM
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >>
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                                      >> >>
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> I posted a few pictures of the Robot under
                                      >> >> Chris' Robot. I've looked at
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> other vacpots and they too seem to have a little room
                                      >> >> between the
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> bottom of the tube and the bottom of the coffee maker. The
                                      >> >> filter seems
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> like the right one but the tube does have the bulge for the
                                      >> >> spring
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> loaded wire one. "oribatids" has several Robots.
                                      >> >> I wonder if his 500
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> has a similar globe setup. He may be the one to check for
                                      >> >> the length of
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> the tube (mine is 2 3/4" long). The end of the tube
                                      >> >> has been ground and
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> looks factory. I'll take more shots tomorrow when the
                                      >> >> light is better.
                                      >> >>
                                      >> >> Thanks for the info. More later.... Chris
                                      >> >>
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