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  • Fr. John Whiteford
    Here is an audio file, presumably of a Georgian pronouncing the word http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mtskheta.ogg After hearing it several times, that s
    Message 1 of 16 , Dec 27, 2012
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      Here is an audio file, presumably of a Georgian pronouncing the word http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mtskheta.ogg

      After hearing it several times, that's when I decided it was a lost cause.


       
      Presbyter John Whiteford
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      "This is the cause of all evils: the ignorance of the Scriptures. We go into battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe?" -St. John Chrysostom, Homily IX on Colossians.






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      From: Anna Voellmecke <anna@...>
      To: ustav@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 7:39 PM
      Subject: RE: [ustav] Re: How to avoid a choral train wreck?

      At 07:16 PM 12/27/2012, you wrote:
      >Dear Fr John,
      >Christ is born!
      >
      >Mtskheta can be pronounced as follows: Mit - skeh (like skit, but
      >with an "e") - tah
      >
      >And, if you want to be authentic, in Georgian, her name is Nino.
      >Hope this helps,

      It helps tremendously. thank you!

      Anna V.

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    • stephen_r1937
      And with a bit of practice you can omit the vowel in Mit and get it into two syllables. If this had come up several months earlier, you could have practiced
      Message 2 of 16 , Dec 31, 2012
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        And with a bit of practice you can omit the vowel in "Mit" and get it into two syllables. If this had come up several months earlier, you could have practiced saying "mtromney" as two syllables.

        Stephen

        --- In ustav@yahoogroups.com, "David Lucs" <dlucs@...> wrote:
        >
        > Dear Fr John,
        > Christ is born!
        >
        > Mtskheta can be pronounced as follows: Mit - skeh (like skit, but with an "e") - tah
        >
        > And, if you want to be authentic, in Georgian, her name is Nino.
        > Hope this helps,
        > -dl
        >
        > _____
        >
        > From: ustav@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ustav@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fr. John Whiteford
        > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 7:52 PM
        > To: ustav@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [ustav] Re: How to avoid a choral train wreck?
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > I appreciate the offer, but at a vigil, you never know exactly who will be in the choir, and I just
        > don't want the choir to disrupt the flow of the service while struggling to guess at a
        > pronunciation. The word is only used once in the service, and it will be about 7 years before they
        > will use this text again.
        >
        >
        > Presbyter John Whiteford
        > St. Jonah Orthodox Church
        > Parish Home Page: http://www.saintjonah.org/
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        >
        > "This is the cause of all evils: the ignorance of the Scriptures. We go into battle without arms,
        > and how ought we to come off safe?" -St. John Chrysostom, Homily IX on Colossians.
        >
        > ________________________________
        > From: Sydney (Nicoletta) Freedman <cantrixcaeca@... <mailto:cantrixcaeca%40gmail.com> >
        > To: ustav@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ustav%40yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:48 PM
        > Subject: Re: [ustav] Re: How to avoid a choral train wreck?
        >
        > 'In the capital city' would scan metrically. Georgian lessons on offer... :-)
        >
        > N
        >
        > On 27/12/2012, Molly Grabowski <mookitty@... <mailto:mookitty%40comcast.net> > wrote:
        > > In her city
        > >
        > >
        > > On 12/26/2012 4:04 PM, Fr. John Whiteford wrote:
        > >>
        > >> "the ancient capital of Georgia" would be a bit of a wordy
        > >> substitution. I thought about "the capital city", but if someone knows
        > >> what the word means, or of a more reasonable form it appears in
        > >> English, that might work better.
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> Presbyter John Whiteford
        > >> St. Jonah Orthodox Church
        > >> Parish Home Page: http://www.saintjonah.org/
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        > >>
        > >> "This is the cause of all evils: the ignorance of the Scriptures. We
        > >> go into battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe?" -St.
        > >> John Chrysostom, Homily IX on Colossians.
        > >>
        > >> ________________________________
        > >> From: Michael <wmlillie@... <mailto:wmlillie%40gmail.com> <mailto:wmlillie%40gmail.com>>
        > >> To: ustav@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ustav%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:ustav%40yahoogroups.com>
        > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 6:01 PM
        > >> Subject: [ustav] Re: How to avoid a choral train wreck?
        > >>
        > >> sorry father, my suggestion was meant as a substitution not a
        > >> geography lesson.
        > >>
        > >> --- In ustav@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ustav%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:ustav%40yahoogroups.com>,
        > "Fr.
        > >> John Whiteford" <frjohnwhiteford@> wrote:
        > >> >
        > >> > Yes, but the name of the ancient capital of Georgia is
        > >> unpronounceable. So then what do you do?
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> > Presbyter John Whiteford
        > >> > St. Jonah Orthodox Church
        > >> > Parish Home Page: http://www.saintjonah.org/
        > >> > ROCOR Discussion Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodox-rocor/
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        > >> >
        > >> > "This is the cause of all evils: the ignorance of the Scriptures. We
        > >> go into battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe?" -St.
        > >> John Chrysostom, Homily IX on Colossians.
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> >
        > >> > ________________________________
        > >> > From: Michael <wmlillie@>
        > >> > To: ustav@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ustav%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:ustav%40yahoogroups.com>
        > >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 5:43 PM
        > >> > Subject: [ustav] Re: How to avoid a choral train wreck?
        > >> >
        > >> > "the city of Mtskheta" = "the ancient capital city of Georgia"
        > >> >
        > >> > --- In ustav@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ustav%40yahoogroups.com>
        > <mailto:ustav%40yahoogroups.com>, "Fr.
        > >> John Whiteford" <frjohnwhiteford@> wrote:
        > >> > >
        > >> > > I'm looking over the service to St. Nina, and at Lord I have
        > >> cried, this is the second hymn:
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > > Holding
        > >> > > in her hand /
        > >> > > the
        > >> > > sign of miracles, /
        > >> > > a
        > >> > > precious cross fashioned of vine-branches, /
        > >> > > the
        > >> > > blessed and holy Nina /
        > >> > > wrought
        > >> > > many wonders by its power /
        > >> > > in
        > >> > > the city of Mtskheta. /
        > >> > > Wherefore,
        > >> > > as many as accepted her preaching /
        > >> > > were
        > >> > > healed of their sickness //
        > >> > > and
        > >> > > rendered glory unto God.
        > >> > >
        > >> > > Does anyone have any suggestions for how to reword this so that
        > >> the choir does not have to try to pronounce the impossible for a
        > >> non-Georgian word "Mtskheta"? I found an audio file that has someone
        > >> pronouncing this word, but even after hearing it several times, I am
        > >> no more closer to being able to pronounce it.
        > >> > >
        > >> > >
        > >> > > Presbyter John Whiteford
        > >> > > St. Jonah Orthodox Church
        > >> > > Parish Home Page: http://www.saintjonah.org/
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        > >> > >
        > >> > > "This is the cause of all evils: the ignorance of the Scriptures.
        > >> We go into battle without arms, and how ought we to come off safe?"
        > >> -St. John Chrysostom, Homily IX on Colossians.
        > >> > >
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        > >> > >
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