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  • ROGER ANDERTON
    Hi Fred Always having fun. Hope you are having fun too. Things are going slower than I would like. I am learning Latin to translate Boscovich stuff. Done one
    Message 1 of 13 , Apr 18, 2013
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      Hi Fred

      Always having fun. Hope you are having fun too.

      Things are going slower than I would like.

      I am learning Latin to translate Boscovich stuff.

      Done one so far at:


      http://www.lulu.com/shop/roger-anderton-and-dusan-nedelkovich/natural-philosophy-and-relativity-of-boscovich/hardcover/product-20773772.html

      Got some guys to give Forewords-


      * To be specific, this book deals with Boscovich's unified field theory, which is an attempt to unify the known forces of physics into a single universal law.--Harry Ricker
      * Our history of physics needs to be rewritten thanks to Boscovich’s contribution. - – Eri Yagi
      * Boscovich first single-handedly combined the macro world (Newton’s world machine) with the micro world (of atoms) by inventing a single consistent law – Otto E. Rossler
      * Boscovich was far ahead of his time. Perhaps too far.-- Greg Volk
      * The great inventor and scientist, Tesla, was also much influenced by Boscovich. --- Carl R Littmann

      Note - mention of "Tesla", so not everyone is now totally unaware.

      Slowly people are getting the message.

      Softly softly  catchy monkey, as they say.

      >>>>Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able to figure it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types.

      Yep and was ignored as  soon as his crowd started dealing with unified field theory. John Wheeler was Einstein's successor and has that unified field theory as Boscovich's theory. Physicists don't even deal with that theory at degree level, and at Phd level its so specialised a subject hardly anyone knows about it.


      Roger



      From: "McGalliard, Frederick B" <frederick.b.mcgalliard@...>
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      Hi Roger. Nice to see you are still with us. Are you having fun?
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      [snip]


      From: "McGalliard, Frederick B" <frederick.b.mcgalliard@...>
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      Well – my pa couldn’t go faster than light.
      There have been a lot of claims made, mostly by folk who could not stand up for the question. Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able to figure it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types. Tesla was definitely a brilliant inventor and practical engineer, but not a physicist.
       
      By the way, is to laugh out loud. Watched – briefly – a presentation of some sort on how the pyramids are some kind of ancient power generating thingy. Would have simply flipped it off but then in the midst of it all was Tesla, so I watched a bit longer. Some totally uneducated (Read the script with pretentious authority and awe) talking head showed a Buddhist painting of a 10 story building (something about a path to heaven) and noted it looked something like a modern atom smasher. His show and tell image was of a large Vandergraph  accelerator with a resistor load stack that, including glass arc suppressors, looked remotely like the building in the painting. The accelerator itself, of course, did not. And just to make it clear to us all, the fellow called it a cyclotron. I near rolled on the floor laughing.  Ignorance can be so durned funny.
       
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      Well Einstein was Einstien! Tesla thought Einsteins Throey of relativity wrong! Be that as it will! Remember Jul 10th is G.E.I.D. Global Energy Indpendnece day(and maybe The UN will act on a resolution brougght by the republic of Craotia to have JUL 10th declaed TESLA DAY OF SCIENCE see www.teslasociety.com on this) G.E.I.D,. was set up to honor the memeory of the great pioneer of A.C. power tesla> And promote alternative energy too! Also,  SUPOORT(SEE THE BLOG ON THIS) A MOUNTAIN NAMED FOR TESLA! Take care Dr. edson Andre' Johnson D.D.U.L.C.

    • Kent Andersen
      No, its all true, everything on the Internet is true.
      Message 2 of 13 , Apr 18, 2013
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        No, its all true, everything on the Internet is true.

        On 4/18/2013 2:13 PM, McGalliard, Frederick B wrote:
         

        Oh do watch Ed’s stuff. It is very worthy of a good laugh. Thanks Ed.

         

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        Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 12:52 PM
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        This should surprise all Tesla followers.  The video here:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuINhmT3V8Y

        reveals that Tesla stole the power generating secret of the pyramid and claimed it as an invention of his own.

        Ed

        McGalliard, Frederick B wrote:

         

        Well – my pa couldn’t go faster than light.

        There have been a lot of claims made, mostly by folk who could not stand up for the question. Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able to figure it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types. Tesla was definitely a brilliant inventor and practical engineer, but not a physicist.

         

        By the way, is to laugh out loud. Watched – briefly – a presentation of some sort on how the pyramids are some kind of ancient power generating thingy. Would have simply flipped it off but then in the midst of it all was Tesla, so I watched a bit longer. Some totally uneducated (Read the script with pretentious authority and awe) talking head showed a Buddhist painting of a 10 story building (something about a path to heaven) and noted it looked something like a modern atom smasher. His show and tell image was of a large Vandergraph  accelerator with a resistor load stack that, including glass arc suppressors, looked remotely like the building in the painting. The accelerator itself, of course, did not. And just to make it clear to us all, the fellow called it a cyclotron. I near rolled on the floor laughing.  Ignorance can be so durned funny.

         

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        Well Einstein was Einstien! Tesla thought Einsteins Throey of relativity wrong! Be that as it will! Remember Jul 10th is G.E.I.D. Global Energy Indpendnece day(and maybe The UN will act on a resolution brougght by the republic of Craotia to have JUL 10th declaed TESLA DAY OF SCIENCE see www.teslasociety.com on this) G.E.I.D,. was set up to honor the memeory of the great pioneer of A.C. power tesla> And promote alternative energy too! Also,  SUPOORT(SEE THE BLOG ON THIS) A MOUNTAIN NAMED FOR TESLA! Take care Dr. edson Andre' Johnson D.D.U.L.C.


      • McGalliard, Frederick B
        Latin. Studied that. Have forgotten almost all of it. Hard enough to understand English. I thought there was no such thing as a unified field theory – only
        Message 3 of 13 , Apr 19, 2013
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          Latin. Studied that. Have forgotten almost all of it. Hard enough to understand English.

          I thought there was no such thing as a unified field theory – only the failed attempts of 4-5 generations of physicists?

          Remember – I think it was Feinstein’s postulate – “If you think you understand Quantum Mechanics – Then you don’t.”.

          And it is always possible that the unification of QM and GR occurs only in reality and cannot be expressed in a mathematical generalization. That such non-expressible behaviors should exist seems a natural conclusion from examining the nature of our simplifications that permit a closed form expression of some of our most elegant theories. Too bad if this is one of them, eh?

           

          From: usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com [mailto:usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROGER ANDERTON
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          Hi Fred

           

          Always having fun. Hope you are having fun too.

           

          Things are going slower than I would like.

           

          I am learning Latin to translate Boscovich stuff.

           

          Done one so far at:

           

           

           

          Got some guys to give Forewords-

           

           

          * To be specific, this book deals with Boscovich's unified field theory, which is an attempt to unify the known forces of physics into a single universal law.--Harry Ricker

          * Our history of physics needs to be rewritten thanks to Boscovich’s contribution. - – Eri Yagi

          * Boscovich first single-handedly combined the macro world (Newton’s world machine) with the micro world (of atoms) by inventing a single consistent law – Otto E. Rossler

          * Boscovich was far ahead of his time. Perhaps too far.-- Greg Volk

          * The great inventor and scientist, Tesla, was also much influenced by Boscovich. --- Carl R Littmann

           

          Note - mention of "Tesla", so not everyone is now totally unaware.

           

          Slowly people are getting the message.

           

          Softly softly  catchy monkey, as they say.

           

          >>>>Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able

          to figure it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types.

           

          Yep and was ignored as  soon as his crowd started dealing with unified field theory. John Wheeler was Einstein's successor and has that unified field theory as Boscovich's theory. Physicists don't even deal with that theory at degree level, and at Phd level its so specialised a subject hardly anyone knows about it.

           

           

          Roger

           

           


          From: "McGalliard, Frederick B" <frederick.b.mcgalliard@...>
          To: "usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com" <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
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          Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013, 20:31
          Subject: RE: [usa-tesla] Einstein's theory refuted by discovery of faster-than-light pa

           

          Hi Roger. Nice to see you are still with us. Are you having fun?

          ----------------

           

           

          [snip]

           


          From: "McGalliard, Frederick B" <frederick.b.mcgalliard@...>
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          Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013, 20:29
          Subject: RE: [usa-tesla] Einstein's theory refuted by discovery of faster-than-light pa

           

           

          Well – my pa couldn’t go faster than light.

          There have been a lot of claims made, mostly by folk who could not stand up for the question. Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able to figure it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types. Tesla was definitely a brilliant inventor and practical engineer, but not a physicist.

           

          By the way, is to laugh out loud. Watched – briefly – a presentation of some sort on how the pyramids are some kind of ancient power generating thingy. Would have simply flipped it off but then in the midst of it all was Tesla, so I watched a bit longer. Some totally uneducated (Read the script with pretentious authority and awe) talking head showed a Buddhist painting of a 10 story building (something about a path to heaven) and noted it looked something like a modern atom smasher. His show and tell image was of a large Vandergraph  accelerator with a resistor load stack that, including glass arc suppressors, looked remotely like the building in the painting. The accelerator itself, of course, did not. And just to make it clear to us all, the fellow called it a cyclotron. I near rolled on the floor laughing.  Ignorance can be so durned funny.

           

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          Well Einstein was Einstien! Tesla thought Einsteins Throey of relativity wrong! Be that as it will! Remember Jul 10th is G.E.I.D. Global Energy Indpendnece day(and maybe The UN will act on a resolution brougght by the republic of Craotia to have JUL 10th declaed TESLA DAY OF SCIENCE see www.teslasociety.com on this) G.E.I.D,. was set up to honor the memeory of the great pioneer of A.C. power tesla> And promote alternative energy too! Also,  SUPOORT(SEE THE BLOG ON THIS) A MOUNTAIN NAMED FOR TESLA! Take care Dr. edson Andre' Johnson D.D.U.L.C.

           

        • ROGER ANDERTON
          Well they (physics education system) forgot to include unified field theory at undergraduate level or deliberately left it out or something like that; its
          Message 4 of 13 , Apr 19, 2013
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            Well "they" (physics education system) forgot to include unified field theory at undergraduate level or deliberately left it out or something like that; its only a topic approached at a highly specialised  level at some phd or post phd level but only by a very few.  John Wheeler was main man for being educator of general relativity to the elite the likes of  Hawking, Kip Thorne for their phds, and not everyone in that elite would have been doing unified field theory.  

            John Archibald Wheeler (July 9, 1911 – April 13, 2008) was an American theoretical physicist who was largely responsible for reviving interest in general relativity in the United States after World War II. Wheeler also worked with Niels Bohr in explaining the basic principles behind nuclear fission. One of the later collaborators of Albert Einstein, he tried to achieve Einstein's vision of a unified field theory.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Archibald_Wheeler

            Wheeler called it geometrodynamics and it dates back to Boscovich 18th century. And you have got to bear in mind things like superstring theory are attempts at unified field theory. Boscovich had already dealt with the basic ideas of that - nonEuclidean geometry, time as fourth dimension, higher dimensions of space, muti- universe etc.

            Feynman wouldn't be able to understand quantum mechanics because it gets missed out as to how it was developed. In the historical context it makes more sense. "Quantum" is a Latin word, so they were talking about quantum of light in context of classical Newtonian physics long before Einstein. And I think the change was that they added uncertainty to that classical picture.

            Undergraduate level physics just doesn't deal with transition from classical to modern physics; presents them as two unconnected things. If you went to a high enough postgraduate level then there would be a small chance you would be told how they were connected, but very small.

            American way of doing science is to split it into specialities i.e put people in little boxes about what they know, and unified field theory is just one of the things that gets lost between the boxes,



            Roger




            From: "McGalliard, Frederick B" <frederick.b.mcgalliard@...>
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            Latin. Studied that. Have forgotten almost all of it. Hard enough to understand English.
            I thought there was no such thing as a unified field theory – only the failed attempts of 4-5 generations of physicists?
            Remember – I think it was Feinstein’s postulate – “If you think you understand Quantum Mechanics – Then you don’t.”.
            And it is always possible that the unification of QM and GR occurs only in reality and cannot be expressed in a mathematical generalization. That such non-expressible behaviors should exist seems a natural conclusion from examining the nature of our simplifications that permit a closed form expression of some of our most elegant theories. Too bad if this is one of them, eh?
             
            From: usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com [mailto:usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROGER ANDERTON
            Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:57 PM
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            Hi Fred
             
            Always having fun. Hope you are having fun too.
             
            Things are going slower than I would like.
             
            I am learning Latin to translate Boscovich stuff.
             
            Done one so far at:
             
             
             
            Got some guys to give Forewords-
             
             
            * To be specific, this book deals with Boscovich's unified field theory, which is an attempt to unify the known forces of physics into a single universal law.--Harry Ricker
            * Our history of physics needs to be rewritten thanks to Boscovich’s contribution. - – Eri Yagi
            * Boscovich first single-handedly combined the macro world (Newton’s world machine) with the micro world (of atoms) by inventing a single consistent law – Otto E. Rossler
            * Boscovich was far ahead of his time. Perhaps too far.-- Greg Volk
            * The great inventor and scientist, Tesla, was also much influenced by Boscovich. --- Carl R Littmann
             
            Note - mention of "Tesla", so not everyone is now totally unaware.
             
            Slowly people are getting the message.
             
            Softly softly  catchy monkey, as they say.
             
            >>>>Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able
            to figure it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types.
             
            Yep and was ignored as  soon as his crowd started dealing with unified field theory. John Wheeler was Einstein's successor and has that unified field theory as Boscovich's theory. Physicists don't even deal with that theory at degree level, and at Phd level its so specialised a subject hardly anyone knows about it.
             
             
            Roger
             
             

            From: "McGalliard, Frederick B" <frederick.b.mcgalliard@...>
            To: "usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com" <usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com>
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            Hi Roger. Nice to see you are still with us. Are you having fun?
            ----------------
             
             
            [snip]
             

            From: "McGalliard, Frederick B" <frederick.b.mcgalliard@...>
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            Well – my pa couldn’t go faster than light.
            There have been a lot of claims made, mostly by folk who could not stand up for the question. Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able to figure it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types. Tesla was definitely a brilliant inventor and practical engineer, but not a physicist.
             
            By the way, is to laugh out loud. Watched – briefly – a presentation of some sort on how the pyramids are some kind of ancient power generating thingy. Would have simply flipped it off but then in the midst of it all was Tesla, so I watched a bit longer. Some totally uneducated (Read the script with pretentious authority and awe) talking head showed a Buddhist painting of a 10 story building (something about a path to heaven) and noted it looked something like a modern atom smasher. His show and tell image was of a large Vandergraph  accelerator with a resistor load stack that, including glass arc suppressors, looked remotely like the building in the painting. The accelerator itself, of course, did not. And just to make it clear to us all, the fellow called it a cyclotron. I near rolled on the floor laughing.  Ignorance can be so durned funny.
             
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            Well Einstein was Einstien! Tesla thought Einsteins Throey of relativity wrong! Be that as it will! Remember Jul 10th is G.E.I.D. Global Energy Indpendnece day(and maybe The UN will act on a resolution brougght by the republic of Craotia to have JUL 10th declaed TESLA DAY OF SCIENCE see www.teslasociety.com on this) G.E.I.D,. was set up to honor the memeory of the great pioneer of A.C. power tesla> And promote alternative energy too! Also,  SUPOORT(SEE THE BLOG ON THIS) A MOUNTAIN NAMED FOR TESLA! Take care Dr. edson Andre' Johnson D.D.U.L.C.
             


          • McGalliard, Frederick B
            Roger. You do recall, do you not, that Feynman was generally recognized as one of the top quantum physicist in the field? Creative and somewhat of a wild hair
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              Roger. You do recall, do you not, that Feynman was generally recognized as one of the top quantum physicist in the field? Creative and somewhat of a wild hair by many accounts. I would strongly doubt that his understanding the difficulty of understanding QM had anything to do with a lack of historical context.

              I thought quanta were first introduced in splaning the photoelectric effect and the sharp absorption and emission lines? Before that any idea that light was a bunch of discrete photons would have been an interesting hypothesis, but not provable. The physics was lenses, bulk absorption, and color (as perceived by the eye). No quantization phenomena in those effects. (Not that I recall anyway.)

               

              From: usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com [mailto:usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROGER ANDERTON
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              Well "they" (physics education system) forgot to include unified field theory at undergraduate level or deliberately left it out or something like that; its only a topic approached at a highly specialised  level at some phd or post phd level but only by a very few.  John Wheeler was main man for being educator of general relativity to the elite the likes of  Hawking, Kip Thorne for their phds, and not everyone in that elite would have been doing unified field theory.  

              John Archibald Wheeler (July 9, 1911 – April 13, 2008) was an American theoretical physicist who was largely responsible for reviving interest in general relativity in the United States after World War II. Wheeler also worked with Niels Bohr in explaining the basic principles behind nuclear fission. One of the later collaborators of Albert Einstein, he tried to achieve Einstein's vision of a unified field theory.
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Archibald_Wheeler

              Wheeler called it geometrodynamics and it dates back to Boscovich 18th century. And you have got to bear in mind things like superstring theory are attempts at unified field theory. Boscovich had already dealt with the basic ideas of that - nonEuclidean geometry, time as fourth dimension, higher dimensions of space, muti- universe etc.

               

              Feynman wouldn't be able to understand quantum mechanics because it gets missed out as to how it was developed. In the historical context it makes more sense. "Quantum" is a Latin word, so they were talking about quantum of light in context of classical Newtonian physics long before Einstein. And I think the change was that they added uncertainty to that classical picture.

               

              Undergraduate level physics just doesn't deal with transition from classical to modern physics; presents them as two unconnected things. If you went to a high enough postgraduate level then there would be a small chance you would be told how they were connected, but very small.

               

              American way of doing science is to split it into specialities i.e put people in little boxes about what they know, and unified field theory is just one of the things that gets lost between the boxes,

               

               

               

              Roger

               

               

               


              From: "McGalliard, Frederick B" <frederick.b.mcgalliard@...>
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              Latin. Studied that. Have forgotten almost all of it. Hard enough to understand English.

              I thought there was no such thing as a unified field theory – only the failed attempts of 4-5 generations of physicists?

              Remember – I think it was Feinstein’s postulate – “If you think you understand Quantum Mechanics – Then you don’t.”.

              And it is always possible that the unification of QM and GR occurs only in reality and cannot be expressed in a mathematical generalization. That such non-expressible behaviors should exist seems a natural conclusion from examining the nature of our simplifications that permit a closed form expression of some of our most elegant theories. Too bad if this is one of them, eh?

               

              From: usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com [mailto:usa-tesla@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ROGER ANDERTON
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              Hi Fred

               

              Always having fun. Hope you are having fun too.

               

              Things are going slower than I would like.

               

              I am learning Latin to translate Boscovich stuff.

               

              Done one so far at:

               

               

               

              Got some guys to give Forewords-

               

               

              * To be specific, this book deals with Boscovich's unified field theory, which is an attempt to unify the known forces of physics into a single universal law.--Harry Ricker

              * Our history of physics needs to be rewritten thanks to Boscovich’s contribution. - – Eri Yagi

              * Boscovich first single-handedly combined the macro world (Newton’s world machine) with the micro world (of atoms) by inventing a single consistent law – Otto E. Rossler

              * Boscovich was far ahead of his time. Perhaps too far.-- Greg Volk

              * The great inventor and scientist, Tesla, was also much influenced by Boscovich. --- Carl R Littmann

               

              Note - mention of "Tesla", so not everyone is now totally unaware.

               

              Slowly people are getting the message.

               

              Softly softly  catchy monkey, as they say.

               

              >>>>Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able to figure

              it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types.

               

              Yep and was ignored as  soon as his crowd started dealing with unified field theory. John Wheeler was Einstein's successor and has that unified field theory as Boscovich's theory. Physicists don't even deal with that theory at degree level, and at Phd level its so specialised a subject hardly anyone knows about it.

               

               

              Roger

               

               


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              Hi Roger. Nice to see you are still with us. Are you having fun?

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              Well – my pa couldn’t go faster than light.

              There have been a lot of claims made, mostly by folk who could not stand up for the question. Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able to figure it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types. Tesla was definitely a brilliant inventor and practical engineer, but not a physicist.

               

              By the way, is to laugh out loud. Watched – briefly – a presentation of some sort on how the pyramids are some kind of ancient power generating thingy. Would have simply flipped it off but then in the midst of it all was Tesla, so I watched a bit longer. Some totally uneducated (Read the script with pretentious authority and awe) talking head showed a Buddhist painting of a 10 story building (something about a path to heaven) and noted it looked something like a modern atom smasher. His show and tell image was of a large Vandergraph  accelerator with a resistor load stack that, including glass arc suppressors, looked remotely like the building in the painting. The accelerator itself, of course, did not. And just to make it clear to us all, the fellow called it a cyclotron. I near rolled on the floor laughing.  Ignorance can be so durned funny.

               

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              Well Einstein was Einstien! Tesla thought Einsteins Throey of relativity wrong! Be that as it will! Remember Jul 10th is G.E.I.D. Global Energy Indpendnece day(and maybe The UN will act on a resolution brougght by the republic of Craotia to have JUL 10th declaed TESLA DAY OF SCIENCE see www.teslasociety.com on this) G.E.I.D,. was set up to honor the memeory of the great pioneer of A.C. power tesla> And promote alternative energy too! Also,  SUPOORT(SEE THE BLOG ON THIS) A MOUNTAIN NAMED FOR TESLA! Take care Dr. edson Andre' Johnson D.D.U.L.C.

               

               

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              One of the Feynman stories is - from Studying Physics, by David Sands, Palgrave Macmillan 2004: Richard Feynman was one of the later twentieth century s
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                One of the Feynman stories is - from "Studying Physics," by David Sands, Palgrave Macmillan 2004:
                "Richard Feynman was one of the later twentieth century's most celebrated physicists. After graduating, however, he temporarily had a poor opinion of his own abilities after confiding in his sister during one visit that he was unable to understand the work he was supposed to be doing. It was just after he had taken up his (post) graduate work and he was reading a paper on his particular field. He told his sister that those who had written it must have been geniuses because he knew that he was able (his first degree results told him that) but he couldn't understand a word of it. His sister replied, seemingly without sympathy, that it was because he wasn't studying it. Of course Richard Feynman rejected this idea. He had been studying for years. He knew about physics, but he couldn't get to grips with this paper. His sister was adamant. He wasn't studying it as he would have done an undergraduate text. One thing about Richard Feynman was that he was a humble man. He accepted that his sister had to say and approached the paper in a different way, taking it apart piece by piece, equation by equation. To his surprise he found that he started to make progress and very soon understood what previously had appeared impenetrable."

                so even he had troubles sometimes trying to understand things.

                I think he sometimes dealt with Boscovich.

                Quantum idea was around before photoelectric effect, its one of those misrepresentations to have the idea starting from when it was used to explain the photoelectric effect.

                As for proof sometimes scientists say a theory is not provable, it is only falsifiable. For me things are just mathematical models with a range of appliciability etc.

                Roger







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                Roger. You do recall, do you not, that Feynman was generally recognized as one of the top quantum physicist in the field? Creative and somewhat of a wild hair by many accounts. I would strongly doubt that his understanding the difficulty of understanding QM had anything to do with a lack of historical context.
                I thought quanta were first introduced in splaning the photoelectric effect and the sharp absorption and emission lines? Before that any idea that light was a bunch of discrete photons would have been an interesting hypothesis, but not provable. The physics was lenses, bulk absorption, and color (as perceived by the eye). No quantization phenomena in those effects. (Not that I recall anyway.)
                 
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                Well "they" (physics education system) forgot to include unified field theory at undergraduate level or deliberately left it out or something like that; its only a topic approached at a highly specialised  level at some phd or post phd level but only by a very few.  John Wheeler was main man for being educator of general relativity to the elite the likes of  Hawking, Kip Thorne for their phds, and not everyone in that elite would have been doing unified field theory.  

                John Archibald Wheeler (July 9, 1911 – April 13, 2008) was an American theoretical physicist who was largely responsible for reviving interest in general relativity in the United States after World War II. Wheeler also worked with Niels Bohr in explaining the basic principles behind nuclear fission. One of the later collaborators of Albert Einstein, he tried to achieve Einstein's vision of a unified field theory.
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Archibald_Wheeler

                Wheeler called it geometrodynamics and it dates back to Boscovich 18th century. And you have got to bear in mind things like superstring theory are attempts at unified field theory. Boscovich had already dealt with the basic ideas of that - nonEuclidean geometry, time as fourth dimension, higher dimensions of space, muti- universe etc.
                 
                Feynman wouldn't be able to understand quantum mechanics because it gets missed out as to how it was developed. In the historical context it makes more sense. "Quantum" is a Latin word, so they were talking about quantum of light in context of classical Newtonian physics long before Einstein. And I think the change was that they added uncertainty to that classical picture.
                 
                Undergraduate level physics just doesn't deal with transition from classical to modern physics; presents them as two unconnected things. If you went to a high enough postgraduate level then there would be a small chance you would be told how they were connected, but very small.
                 
                American way of doing science is to split it into specialities i.e put people in little boxes about what they know, and unified field theory is just one of the things that gets lost between the boxes,
                 
                 
                 
                Roger
                 
                 
                 

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                Latin. Studied that. Have forgotten almost all of it. Hard enough to understand English.
                I thought there was no such thing as a unified field theory – only the failed attempts of 4-5 generations of physicists?
                Remember – I think it was Feinstein’s postulate – “If you think you understand Quantum Mechanics – Then you don’t.”.
                And it is always possible that the unification of QM and GR occurs only in reality and cannot be expressed in a mathematical generalization. That such non-expressible behaviors should exist seems a natural conclusion from examining the nature of our simplifications that permit a closed form expression of some of our most elegant theories. Too bad if this is one of them, eh?
                 
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                Hi Fred
                 
                Always having fun. Hope you are having fun too.
                 
                Things are going slower than I would like.
                 
                I am learning Latin to translate Boscovich stuff.
                 
                Done one so far at:
                 
                 
                 
                Got some guys to give Forewords-
                 
                 
                * To be specific, this book deals with Boscovich's unified field theory, which is an attempt to unify the known forces of physics into a single universal law.--Harry Ricker
                * Our history of physics needs to be rewritten thanks to Boscovich’s contribution. - – Eri Yagi
                * Boscovich first single-handedly combined the macro world (Newton’s world machine) with the micro world (of atoms) by inventing a single consistent law – Otto E. Rossler
                * Boscovich was far ahead of his time. Perhaps too far.-- Greg Volk
                * The great inventor and scientist, Tesla, was also much influenced by Boscovich. --- Carl R Littmann
                 
                Note - mention of "Tesla", so not everyone is now totally unaware.
                 
                Slowly people are getting the message.
                 
                Softly softly  catchy monkey, as they say.
                 
                >>>>Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able to figure
                it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types.
                 
                Yep and was ignored as  soon as his crowd started dealing with unified field theory. John Wheeler was Einstein's successor and has that unified field theory as Boscovich's theory. Physicists don't even deal with that theory at degree level, and at Phd level its so specialised a subject hardly anyone knows about it.
                 
                 
                Roger
                 
                 

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                Hi Roger. Nice to see you are still with us. Are you having fun?
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                [snip]
                 

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                Well – my pa couldn’t go faster than light.
                There have been a lot of claims made, mostly by folk who could not stand up for the question. Einstein – like it or not – did stand up for it and those folk willing to think “outside the box”, or in this case – “inside the physics”, have been able to figure it out in spite of the natural desire to have it “make sense” for us slow moving earth bound types. Tesla was definitely a brilliant inventor and practical engineer, but not a physicist.
                 
                By the way, is to laugh out loud. Watched – briefly – a presentation of some sort on how the pyramids are some kind of ancient power generating thingy. Would have simply flipped it off but then in the midst of it all was Tesla, so I watched a bit longer. Some totally uneducated (Read the script with pretentious authority and awe) talking head showed a Buddhist painting of a 10 story building (something about a path to heaven) and noted it looked something like a modern atom smasher. His show and tell image was of a large Vandergraph  accelerator with a resistor load stack that, including glass arc suppressors, looked remotely like the building in the painting. The accelerator itself, of course, did not. And just to make it clear to us all, the fellow called it a cyclotron. I near rolled on the floor laughing.  Ignorance can be so durned funny.
                 
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                Well Einstein was Einstien! Tesla thought Einsteins Throey of relativity wrong! Be that as it will! Remember Jul 10th is G.E.I.D. Global Energy Indpendnece day(and maybe The UN will act on a resolution brougght by the republic of Craotia to have JUL 10th declaed TESLA DAY OF SCIENCE see www.teslasociety.com on this) G.E.I.D,. was set up to honor the memeory of the great pioneer of A.C. power tesla> And promote alternative energy too! Also,  SUPOORT(SEE THE BLOG ON THIS) A MOUNTAIN NAMED FOR TESLA! Take care Dr. edson Andre' Johnson D.D.U.L.C.
                 
                 


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