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655Re: Violence Is Cultured in Our Youth By Example?

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  • Fred McGalliard
    May 10, 1999
      coexusa wrote:
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      > Fred McGalliard wrote:
      > >Right now, as I read it, the citizens are the source of the corruption
      > >in our government, and the primary reason that it can't even decide how
      > >to tie it's own shoe laces, so to speak.
      >
      > Please explain what you you mean by the above statement? Which citizens?
      > Where? What corruption? Your comment is so "broad sweeping" that I have no
      > idea what you are talking about?

      The citizens demand that their legeslaters listen to them, and support
      their positions, even when their positions are foolishly short sighted.
      We pay em well to vote the way we want. Then we bitch like crazy when
      they accept money from positions we don't like. We insist they lie to
      us, and persistently ignore their wrongdoing as long as we think they
      are "taking care" of us. We pay em, we ignore their behavior, we make
      use of it and take advantage of it and we accept the cost of it. Are
      "we" then, not responsible? Frankly, I doubt that you and I would agree
      on any one particular example, but as I see it the politicians, with a
      few interesting exceptions, learned their behavior at our feet. We
      raised them up this way. It is no good now to complain. When was the
      last time we voted for a man who told us what our policies would cost
      us?


      > First of all, civil war is a fact of history. People revolt when they feel
      > that government is oppressing them. Remember the revolutionary war? You
      > think that war veterans, grandfathers, patriots who love their country but
      > can't stand to see the government continually meddling into the lifes of law
      > abiding citizens are "undisciplined rowdies"? Think again, Fred.

      Sorry, but there is a big difference between even a few hundred thousand
      folk with short range anti personel weapons and a bad attitude and a
      serious army. It takes years to build, equip, and train an army, even
      when it is built from folks with some military experience. And you need
      several hundred billions worth of tanks, aircraft, copters, and thats
      without nukes. But it is more important that you remember, as long as it
      is a small scale insurection, you get treated real nice, though you
      might not think so. When the gloves come off, your crew faces attack
      helicopters with night vision, serious air surpression, heavy combat
      equipment, and the support of the rest of the nation. You could slow em
      down a bit as they feel you out, but you will not stop them, and if they
      want to roll over you, you will not have the opertunity to write your
      will after the fighting starts. What are you thinking? And did you
      imagine that everyone would just sort of sign up for your little war? If
      you can't win the elections, you surely can't win the civil war.


      > If you can't let them do it, then you must see that "we" can't, we
      > dare not, let you do it.
      >
      > Who is YOU and OUR? Please be specific. Are you dividing us up into
      > conservative and liberal? Democrat and Republican? I don't think that way.
      > I am not trying to take up arms and change "that same government by force".
      > I just want our government to be what the Constitution says it should be, "a
      > republic", not a Socialist Democracy which is what we have now.

      Shoot. What garbage. Socialist Democracy? Where does it say that we
      can't be that in the Constitution? If you don't like the way the supreme
      court interprets the constituition, write em about it. Trying to force
      your views down everyone elses throats is what our clumsy three
      sectioned government is all about. No hot head can quickly bring the
      supreme court to heel, nor can a quick insurection among the rightious
      in the hinterlands change the government in a day. If you don't like the
      way we run our country, feel free to leave. You might let someone know
      you are leaving, I suspect there would be a few takers for your place
      here.

      Understand me, and hear it well, this country is in the sorry state it
      is because of us, and for our sake. We damn well better pay more
      attention to it, and fix some things. What we call our form of
      government, a "socialist democracy" or democratic republic, or whatever,
      is a job for junior political scientests. If you want to fix something
      that is wrong, tell us what is wrong, and how you want to fix it. We
      vote. We can change it. Take up arms to try to change it by force and we
      will all come down on you like a ton of lead. You have the vote, you
      have access to the means of communication. Use it. And I would suggest
      if you want to wage war, you adopt Martin Luther King's tactics. He has
      had at least modest success.

      > How dare you tell ME what I "dare to consider for use" as a weapon of war.
      > I was guaranteed freedom by the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. I
      > won't bother anyone if they don't bother me. So, you want to disarm all the
      > US Citizens

      Let's see. I get this right, you stand firmly for arming the black
      panthers, tanks, antiaircraft, cobra helicopters, the whole schmear. Of
      course what's left of the Communists would really like some guns as
      well, maby a few nukes. Course we would have to disarm the right wing
      ginks in the mid west to take away their large terrorist bombs, but I am
      sure they would like to be able to confront the panthers with their own
      tanks and aircraft. And let's be fair about this. The marajuana
      legalization league would like to police it's fields with fully armed
      tanks to keep the local police in line. Now, what was that again about
      what you would "dare" to do with military grade arms? See, you are not
      the only one who just wan't his guns to support his own freedom from an
      opressive government.
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