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  • Paul Seward
    --On Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:09:51 +0000 Peachi - Pete ... Ok, that s good news. ... That sounds sensible. ... Unfortunately I m going to have to decline
    Message 1 of 18 , Jan 15, 2009
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      --On Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:09:51 +0000 Peachi - Pete
      <peachi@...> wrote:

      > I have just been contacted by Steve Chaos, who seems to think John has
      > booked the site already. He's also going to ask him about financial
      > matters and budget... and conditions of use.

      Ok, that's good news.

      > We also talked about getting a group of people together who are
      > interesting in help carry Bristol on who may not access uk-jugglers. I
      > suggest we form an e-mail group straight away, so we can stop posting on
      > this general news group.

      That sounds sensible.

      > Can someone computer savy - maybe Paul - volunteer to do this? I can do
      > it, but I'm sure there are better ways than I would do it out there.

      Unfortunately I'm going to have to decline to have any involvement
      in this at all.

      I've got too much on my plate at the moment to be involved in a
      Bristol, and if I can't be involved in organising the event itself it
      seems a little silly for me to be the one setting up the mailing list.

      I would suggest setting up either a Google Group or a Yahoo Group
      is the easiest, lowest cost way to do this.

      -Paul
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    • Annette Gliwa
      HI Peachi, Cool that you start organizing things!! I heard that there are some poeple with Big Tops in Bristol (for example Annabell) - would be cool to see
      Message 2 of 18 , Jan 15, 2009
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        HI Peachi,
        Cool that you start organizing things!!
        I heard that there are some poeple with Big Tops in Bristol (for example Annabell) - would be cool to see how much they are .
        I could start asking around bristol.
        however it would be nice if we can just keep as close to the original as possible. Including moving finger and layed back caffee...
        not so sure we need an extra WS tent?

        I wonder what John is going to do with his tent? Maybe he will hire it to us?
        or maybe at least the nice picture....
        xxx Annette




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        From: Peachi - Pete <peachi@...>
        To: uk_jugglers@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, 15 January, 2009 8:59:33
        Subject: RE: [uk_jugglers] Bristol Convention - a catastrophe


        For me the crucial thing is whether we can use that site for camping. The
        next is finding out how much Bristol takes so we can work out a budget. Then
        we can see how much extra stuff can be installed... and just do without what
        cant be afforded. Jay, I dont really have a contact for John, but can you
        ask him these things or pass me the details?

        If its not on the same site then I dont think its worth persevering. There
        are other things to do in September - like Bestival and PLAY might move its
        date possibly.

        I dont mind being part of a group to sort it out, especially in the build up
        to it, using my BJC experience. I think we can sort out a communal rota for
        maintaining and running the site during the convention so that no one person
        does too much.

        Some rough figures for you all:

        BJC PLI insurence - ?800
        White bar marquee hire - ?2000 - not a big top but it would do
        Electric Cables - ?100 from HSS
        Workshop tent - Jonothan's marquee

        A cafe can be brought it that provides its own space for the money or we get
        a good veggie catering van in. But people can cook for themselves too. We
        could alos just get them another marquee - depending on budget.

        Just seeig what the feeling is out there. Not making any commitments yet ;)
        Peachi

        -----Original Message-----
        From: uk_jugglers@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:uk_jugglers@ yahoogroups. com]On
        Behalf Of Charlie Hull
        Sent: 14 January 2009 23:32
        To: uk_jugglers@ yahoogroups. com
        Subject: Re: [uk_jugglers] Bristol Convention - a catastrophe

        2009/1/14 jonathan the jester <j.jester@virgin. net>

        > That still leaves us with
        >
        > A Cafe, A site, A goodwill, A laid back cafe, diverse people (lots of
        them)
        > ......
        >
        > So what we are lacking is John Carters expertise (not
        > easily replaced),
        > some portaloos,
        > a big tent,
        > a workshop tent and a
        > cafe tent.

        You're lacking one hell of a lot more than that I'm afraid. Sorry to be
        negative but based on my experience a convention of this type and size will
        need a lot more. Starting with:
        - power cables, distribution boxes, lighting, powerstrips: possible to hire,
        may need professional help to install (unless it belongs to the tent hire
        firm, or we don't worry about legality or the occasional electrocution)
        - public liability insurance. Someone will have to be responsible in a
        professional sense for the event, they will need PLI. John will have had his
        own.
        - access to John's mailing list if he'll let you, to tell all those who
        don't read the Interwebs. Yes, they exist.
        - if you're suggesting a different site, first you'll have to find and book
        one at short notice, let everyone know, then work out if you need loos and
        showers. Much, much better to use the original site.

        - a suitable relationship with the site owner, possibly a deposit,
        definitely a contract.
        - someone will have to be responsible for rubbish collection, tent tidying,
        tent maintenance, car parking, registration, information, financial
        planning, bankrollling the event etc. etc. These people will probably not be
        able to enjoy the event like a punter (trust me on this, my wife yearns for
        the day we can be punters at Bungay again), and they probably won't be
        running on 'Bristol time' either.

        If this is going to happen, people need to decide *now* to give enough
        time to put it together (and before you ask, I'll advise but can't commit to
        anything, already got one to do!).

        >
        >
        > If we could get One Big Top erected and insured I think an interim Brizzle
        > would be viable to keep it alive.... however, who of us is up to the work
        > required? .....any volunteers?
        >
        > I can put up a 30ft by 20ft workshop tent. Anybody else got anything?

        Good of you to volunteer, but you're sadly underestimating the requirements.

        Charlie

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      • jonathan the jester
        It is true that the WS tent seems to be empty a lot of the time. However it is useful so that the obsessed can continue practicing in one space while other
        Message 3 of 18 , Jan 15, 2009
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          It is true that the WS tent seems to be empty a lot of the time. However it is useful so that the obsessed can continue practicing in one space while other activities can take place in another area.

          That said, I would settle for one tent rather than no festival.

          My little tent is okay for the tightrope and stuff. Maybe somebody else will have something similar.

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Annette Gliwa
          To: uk_jugglers@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 7:20 PM
          Subject: [SPAM] Re: [uk_jugglers] Bristol Convention - a catastrophe


          HI Peachi,
          Cool that you start organizing things!!
          I heard that there are some poeple with Big Tops in Bristol (for example Annabell) - would be cool to see how much they are .
          I could start asking around bristol.
          however it would be nice if we can just keep as close to the original as possible. Including moving finger and layed back caffee...
          not so sure we need an extra WS tent?

          I wonder what John is going to do with his tent? Maybe he will hire it to us?
          or maybe at least the nice picture....
          xxx Annette

          ________________________________
          From: Peachi - Pete <peachi@...>
          To: uk_jugglers@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, 15 January, 2009 8:59:33
          Subject: RE: [uk_jugglers] Bristol Convention - a catastrophe

          For me the crucial thing is whether we can use that site for camping. The
          next is finding out how much Bristol takes so we can work out a budget. Then
          we can see how much extra stuff can be installed... and just do without what
          cant be afforded. Jay, I dont really have a contact for John, but can you
          ask him these things or pass me the details?

          If its not on the same site then I dont think its worth persevering. There
          are other things to do in September - like Bestival and PLAY might move its
          date possibly.

          I dont mind being part of a group to sort it out, especially in the build up
          to it, using my BJC experience. I think we can sort out a communal rota for
          maintaining and running the site during the convention so that no one person
          does too much.

          Some rough figures for you all:

          BJC PLI insurence - ?800
          White bar marquee hire - ?2000 - not a big top but it would do
          Electric Cables - ?100 from HSS
          Workshop tent - Jonothan's marquee

          A cafe can be brought it that provides its own space for the money or we get
          a good veggie catering van in. But people can cook for themselves too. We
          could alos just get them another marquee - depending on budget.

          Just seeig what the feeling is out there. Not making any commitments yet ;)
          Peachi

          -----Original Message-----
          From: uk_jugglers@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:uk_jugglers@ yahoogroups. com]On
          Behalf Of Charlie Hull
          Sent: 14 January 2009 23:32
          To: uk_jugglers@ yahoogroups. com
          Subject: Re: [uk_jugglers] Bristol Convention - a catastrophe

          2009/1/14 jonathan the jester <j.jester@virgin. net>

          > That still leaves us with
          >
          > A Cafe, A site, A goodwill, A laid back cafe, diverse people (lots of
          them)
          > ......
          >
          > So what we are lacking is John Carters expertise (not
          > easily replaced),
          > some portaloos,
          > a big tent,
          > a workshop tent and a
          > cafe tent.

          You're lacking one hell of a lot more than that I'm afraid. Sorry to be
          negative but based on my experience a convention of this type and size will
          need a lot more. Starting with:
          - power cables, distribution boxes, lighting, powerstrips: possible to hire,
          may need professional help to install (unless it belongs to the tent hire
          firm, or we don't worry about legality or the occasional electrocution)
          - public liability insurance. Someone will have to be responsible in a
          professional sense for the event, they will need PLI. John will have had his
          own.
          - access to John's mailing list if he'll let you, to tell all those who
          don't read the Interwebs. Yes, they exist.
          - if you're suggesting a different site, first you'll have to find and book
          one at short notice, let everyone know, then work out if you need loos and
          showers. Much, much better to use the original site.

          - a suitable relationship with the site owner, possibly a deposit,
          definitely a contract.
          - someone will have to be responsible for rubbish collection, tent tidying,
          tent maintenance, car parking, registration, information, financial
          planning, bankrollling the event etc. etc. These people will probably not be
          able to enjoy the event like a punter (trust me on this, my wife yearns for
          the day we can be punters at Bungay again), and they probably won't be
          running on 'Bristol time' either.

          If this is going to happen, people need to decide *now* to give enough
          time to put it together (and before you ask, I'll advise but can't commit to
          anything, already got one to do!).

          >
          >
          > If we could get One Big Top erected and insured I think an interim Brizzle
          > would be viable to keep it alive.... however, who of us is up to the work
          > required? .....any volunteers?
          >
          > I can put up a 30ft by 20ft workshop tent. Anybody else got anything?

          Good of you to volunteer, but you're sadly underestimating the requirements.

          Charlie

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          >
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          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
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          >
          >
          >

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        • Peachi - Pete
          Hi Annette, Thanks for that... but you might be getting ahead of ourselves there. I ve replied in more detail on the yahoo group that Richard has set up. I
          Message 4 of 18 , Jan 16, 2009
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            Hi Annette,

            Thanks for that... but you might be getting ahead of ourselves there.

            I've replied in more detail on the yahoo group that Richard has set up.

            I suggest we keep all Save Bristol conversations on there from now on.

            Thanks, Peachi

            -----Original Message-----
            From: uk_jugglers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:uk_jugglers@yahoogroups.com]On
            Behalf Of Annette Gliwa
            Sent: 15 January 2009 19:21
            To: uk_jugglers@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [uk_jugglers] Bristol Convention - a catastrophe


            HI Peachi,
            Cool that you start organizing things!!
            I heard that there are some poeple with Big Tops in Bristol (for example
            Annabell) - would be cool to see how much they are .
            I could start asking around bristol.
            however it would be nice if we can just keep as close to the original as
            possible. Including moving finger and layed back caffee...
            not so sure we need an extra WS tent?

            I wonder what John is going to do with his tent? Maybe he will hire it to
            us?
            or maybe at least the nice picture....
            xxx Annette

            ________________________________
            From: Peachi - Pete <peachi@...>
            To: uk_jugglers@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, 15 January, 2009 8:59:33
            Subject: RE: [uk_jugglers] Bristol Convention - a catastrophe

            For me the crucial thing is whether we can use that site for camping. The
            next is finding out how much Bristol takes so we can work out a budget. Then
            we can see how much extra stuff can be installed... and just do without what
            cant be afforded. Jay, I dont really have a contact for John, but can you
            ask him these things or pass me the details?

            If its not on the same site then I dont think its worth persevering. There
            are other things to do in September - like Bestival and PLAY might move its
            date possibly.

            I dont mind being part of a group to sort it out, especially in the build up
            to it, using my BJC experience. I think we can sort out a communal rota for
            maintaining and running the site during the convention so that no one person
            does too much.

            Some rough figures for you all:

            BJC PLI insurence - ?800
            White bar marquee hire - ?2000 - not a big top but it would do
            Electric Cables - ?100 from HSS
            Workshop tent - Jonothan's marquee

            A cafe can be brought it that provides its own space for the money or we get
            a good veggie catering van in. But people can cook for themselves too. We
            could alos just get them another marquee - depending on budget.

            Just seeig what the feeling is out there. Not making any commitments yet ;)
            Peachi

            -----Original Message-----
            From: uk_jugglers@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:uk_jugglers@ yahoogroups. com]On
            Behalf Of Charlie Hull
            Sent: 14 January 2009 23:32
            To: uk_jugglers@ yahoogroups. com
            Subject: Re: [uk_jugglers] Bristol Convention - a catastrophe

            2009/1/14 jonathan the jester <j.jester@virgin. net>

            > That still leaves us with
            >
            > A Cafe, A site, A goodwill, A laid back cafe, diverse people (lots of
            them)
            > ......
            >
            > So what we are lacking is John Carters expertise (not
            > easily replaced),
            > some portaloos,
            > a big tent,
            > a workshop tent and a
            > cafe tent.

            You're lacking one hell of a lot more than that I'm afraid. Sorry to be
            negative but based on my experience a convention of this type and size will
            need a lot more. Starting with:
            - power cables, distribution boxes, lighting, powerstrips: possible to hire,
            may need professional help to install (unless it belongs to the tent hire
            firm, or we don't worry about legality or the occasional electrocution)
            - public liability insurance. Someone will have to be responsible in a
            professional sense for the event, they will need PLI. John will have had his
            own.
            - access to John's mailing list if he'll let you, to tell all those who
            don't read the Interwebs. Yes, they exist.
            - if you're suggesting a different site, first you'll have to find and book
            one at short notice, let everyone know, then work out if you need loos and
            showers. Much, much better to use the original site.

            - a suitable relationship with the site owner, possibly a deposit,
            definitely a contract.
            - someone will have to be responsible for rubbish collection, tent tidying,
            tent maintenance, car parking, registration, information, financial
            planning, bankrollling the event etc. etc. These people will probably not be
            able to enjoy the event like a punter (trust me on this, my wife yearns for
            the day we can be punters at Bungay again), and they probably won't be
            running on 'Bristol time' either.

            If this is going to happen, people need to decide *now* to give enough
            time to put it together (and before you ask, I'll advise but can't commit to
            anything, already got one to do!).

            >
            >
            > If we could get One Big Top erected and insured I think an interim Brizzle
            > would be viable to keep it alive.... however, who of us is up to the work
            > required? .....any volunteers?
            >
            > I can put up a 30ft by 20ft workshop tent. Anybody else got anything?

            Good of you to volunteer, but you're sadly underestimating the requirements.

            Charlie

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            >
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            >
            >
            > ------------ --------- --------- ------
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
            >

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          • Charlie Hull
            Hi all, (copied from rec.juggling) Some news - there is a bunch of people putting together a rescue package for Bristol this year, and it s entirely possible
            Message 5 of 18 , Jan 27, 2009
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              Hi all,

              (copied from rec.juggling)

              Some news - there is a bunch of people putting together a rescue package
              for Bristol this year, and it's entirely possible that the event will
              happen as usual. Nothing is confirmed yet, and it will be a month or two
              before we know for sure, but signs are positive. So don't unbook your
              holiday yet!

              Cheers

              Charlie
              ..
              No, not me, I'll be too busy organising www.juggler.net/bungayballsup
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