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  • Joanna Hooper
    Luz, Thank you for input. I personally really appreciate simply having a group of savvy and interested individuals to discuss the issue with. I think that
    Message 1 of 5 , Mar 11, 2004
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      Luz,

      Thank you for input. I personally really appreciate simply having a group
      of savvy and interested individuals to discuss the issue with. I think
      that you make some excellent points. When we do look at our own health
      care system, it is certainly not centered on prevention and we often end up
      performing costly tertiary level care for some while others do not have any
      sort of basic level health care. As far as vaccination rates, I find it
      appalling that there are many underdeveloped nations who have more
      effective vaccination programs (and subsequently rates) than we do.

      I also think that your point of the hope that treatment provides is an
      important one. Perhaps by giving people hope that there is something that
      can be done about this devastating disease will open dialog on a very real
      and firsthand sense and encourage others to be screened as well. Perhaps
      it will increase screening and awareness of HIV status now that something
      can be done about it to help the infected individual. I think that all of
      these will probably help.

      I also think that it should be said that it is a little silly for me to
      squabble about where aid dollars should go when the money from our
      involvement in Iraq for just one day could go a long way toward improving
      and extending millions of lives world-wide.

      I hope, though, that the people who are to receive ARVs will also (along
      with their family members) receive insecticide treated nets, and that there
      are projects in place to try to improve high nutrient food availability
      such as community gardens, and perhaps solar oven projects to teach people
      how to treat their water with the sun thereby providing them with safer
      drinking water. Basically, I think that a more holistic approach need to
      be taken in improving the morbidity and mortality of AIDS patients, and
      perhaps this is already happening--I don't know.


      Joanna

      --On Thursday, March 11, 2004 3:18 PM +0000 Luz Huntington
      <luzhunt@...> wrote:

      > Joanna, Scott, John and Mark,
      > I am also a bit hesitant to contribute to this discussion but do think I
      > have an important point to make. I really like Joanna's logical approach
      > to monies spent on international health issues but ultimately I must
      > side with Scott. I do feel it is extremely important to restore the
      > health of the most productive adults in the community, those that need
      > to provide for their children and elders. What will the future of
      > African countries be like if AIDS wipes out their current generation of
      > family providers? Treatment is very important and its success conveys a
      > great deal of hope that can not be measured in terms of money.
      >
      > The specific point that I wish to add puts the focus back on our own
      > country. Public health in the United States has shuffled much of its
      > funding into bioterrorism preparedness since 9/11. It can be argued that
      > that funding could be better spent on issues of malnutrition in our own
      > country's poor or funneled into more immunization programs, etc. I
      > witnessed the need for better immunization surviellance and nutrition
      > programs in the Navajo Nation right here on American soil. I think a
      > good bit of this discussion centers on social justice issues. And before
      > we decide to stop funding AIDS chemotherapeutic agents in Africa we
      > might want to simply look at ourselves and the justice in the way we
      > funnel monies in our own country. I do not mean to imple that
      > bioterrorism preparedness is unimportant--I just think its important to
      > reflect back on ourselves and our own country when it comes to limiting
      > resources and social justice.
      >
      > I welcome any thoughts on my point and hope I have explained myself
      > clearly so as not to offend any one.
      >
      > Thanks for the great discussion.
      > Luz
      >
      >
      >> From: "Holland, Mark" <holland@...>
      >> Reply-To: ujeni@yahoogroups.com
      >> To: "'ujeni@yahoogroups.com'" <ujeni@yahoogroups.com>
      >> Subject: RE: [ujeni] Forgot one thing!
      >> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:23:21 -0500
      >>
      >> Since this isn't my area at all I'm going to risk sounding ignorant, but
      >> there are some great books by Paul Farmer on this topic specifically.
      >> Twice at least in the past 20 years he has launched a treatment program
      >> using first-world drugs in a third-world context, first for tuberculosis
      >> and now for HIV. His thesis is that since prevention is observably not
      >> working there is an obligation to move to treatment, regardless of
      >> funding considerations. If the funds are lacking, he argues, it's
      >> necessary to generate them.
      >>
      >> If I'm understanding correctly each new intervention he has tried has
      >> eventually shown measurable results. Whether the model is portable I
      >> don't know; perhaps his success is due primarily to his personal
      >> abilities and stature.
      >>
      >> The Uses of Haiti, Tracy Kidder's biography Mountains beyond Mountains,
      >> and Infections and Inequalities are all worth a read.
      >>
      >> Mark
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    • johooper@unm.edu
      Luz, You mentioned that you worked with the Navajo Nation. I am currently working on a project looking at diabetes prevention among Native Americans here in
      Message 2 of 5 , Mar 11, 2004
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        Luz,

        You mentioned that you worked with the Navajo Nation. I am currently
        working on a project looking at diabetes prevention among Native
        Americans here in New Mexico. As part of my background research, I am
        particularly interested in the food commodities programs and perhaps
        how them impacted the local diet and changed it from the traditional
        healthier foods to ones high in fat and high glycemic index
        carbohydrates. Although I have heard people make reference to it, I
        am having a hard time finding any information that documents this
        historic event specifically in the literature searches that I have
        done. Do you have any references or ideas as to where I could find
        this information--for that matter, does anyone?

        Joanna


        Quoting Luz Huntington <luzhunt@...>:

        > <html><body>
        >
        >
        > <tt>
        > Joanna, Scott, John and Mark,<BR>
        > I am also a bit hesitant to contribute to this discussion but do
        > think I <BR>
        > have an important point to make. I really like Joanna's logical
        > approach to <BR>
        > monies spent on international health issues but ultimately I must
        > side with <BR>
        > Scott. I do feel it is extremely important to restore the health of
        > the most <BR>
        > productive adults in the community, those that need to provide for
        > their <BR>
        > children and elders. What will the future of African countries be
        > like if <BR>
        > AIDS wipes out their current generation of family providers?
        > Treatment is <BR>
        > very important and its success conveys a great deal of hope that can
        > not be <BR>
        > measured in terms of money.<BR>
        > <BR>
        > The specific point that I wish to add puts the focus back on our own
        > <BR>
        > country. Public health in the United States has shuffled much of its
        > funding <BR>
        > into bioterrorism preparedness since 9/11. It can be argued that that
        > <BR>
        > funding could be better spent on issues of malnutrition in our own
        > country's <BR>
        > poor or funneled into more immunization programs, etc. I witnessed
        > the need <BR>
        > for better immunization surviellance and nutrition programs in the
        > Navajo <BR>
        > Nation right here on American soil. I think a good bit of this
        > discussion <BR>
        > centers on social justice issues. And before we decide to stop
        > funding AIDS <BR>
        > chemotherapeutic agents in Africa we might want to simply look at
        > ourselves  <BR>
        > and the justice in the way we funnel monies in our own country. I do
        > not <BR>
        > mean to imple that bioterrorism preparedness is unimportant--I just
        > think <BR>
        > its important to reflect back on ourselves and our own country when
        > it comes <BR>
        > to limiting resources and social justice.<BR>
        > <BR>
        > I welcome any thoughts on my point and hope I have explained myself
        > clearly <BR>
        > so as not to offend any one.<BR>
        > <BR>
        > Thanks for the great discussion.<BR>
        > Luz<BR>
        > <BR>
        > <BR>
        > >From: "Holland, Mark" <holland@...><BR>
        > >Reply-To: ujeni@yahoogroups.com<BR>
        > >To: "'ujeni@yahoogroups.com'"
        > <ujeni@yahoogroups.com><BR>
        > >Subject: RE: [ujeni] Forgot one thing!<BR>
        > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:23:21 -0500<BR>
        > ><BR>
        > >Since this isn't my area at all I'm going to risk sounding
        > ignorant, but <BR>
        > >there are some great books by Paul Farmer on this topic
        > specifically.  <BR>
        > >Twice at least in the past 20 years he has launched a treatment
        > program <BR>
        > >using first-world drugs in a third-world context, first for
        > tuberculosis <BR>
        > >and now for HIV.  His thesis is that since prevention is
        > observably not <BR>
        > >working there is an obligation to move to treatment, regardless
        > of funding <BR>
        > >considerations.  If the funds are lacking, he argues, it's
        > necessary to <BR>
        > >generate them.<BR>
        > ><BR>
        > >If I'm understanding correctly each new intervention he has tried
        > has <BR>
        > >eventually shown measurable results.  Whether the model is
        > portable I don't <BR>
        > >know; perhaps his success is due primarily to his personal
        > abilities and <BR>
        > >stature.<BR>
        > ><BR>
        > >The Uses of Haiti, Tracy Kidder's biography Mountains beyond
        > Mountains, and <BR>
        > >Infections and Inequalities are all worth a read.<BR>
        > ><BR>
        > >Mark<BR>
        > <BR>
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      • Luz Huntington
        Joanna, I can t think of any references off the top of my head. I think most of what I have learned has come from a couple of radio shows I heard on KUYI Hopi
        Message 3 of 5 , Mar 12, 2004
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          Joanna,
          I can't think of any references off the top of my head. I think most of what
          I have learned has come from a couple of radio shows I heard on KUYI Hopi
          Radio. I do have some colleagues I can ask and I will see if anything
          surfaces in my assigned readings this week in my American Indian Health and
          Health Care class; we are just about to start our discussion on Diabetes.

          I will keep you posted, Luz


          >From: johooper@...
          >Reply-To: ujeni@yahoogroups.com
          >To: ujeni@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: RE: [ujeni] Forgot one thing! My 2 cents...
          >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:08:18 -0700
          >
          >Luz,
          >
          >You mentioned that you worked with the Navajo Nation. I am currently
          >working on a project looking at diabetes prevention among Native
          >Americans here in New Mexico. As part of my background research, I am
          >particularly interested in the food commodities programs and perhaps
          >how them impacted the local diet and changed it from the traditional
          >healthier foods to ones high in fat and high glycemic index
          >carbohydrates. Although I have heard people make reference to it, I
          >am having a hard time finding any information that documents this
          >historic event specifically in the literature searches that I have
          >done. Do you have any references or ideas as to where I could find
          >this information--for that matter, does anyone?
          >
          >Joanna
          >
          >
          >Quoting Luz Huntington <luzhunt@...>:
          >
          > > <html><body>
          > >
          > >
          > > <tt>
          > > Joanna, Scott, John and Mark,<BR>
          > > I am also a bit hesitant to contribute to this discussion but do
          > > think I <BR>
          > > have an important point to make. I really like Joanna's logical
          > > approach to <BR>
          > > monies spent on international health issues but ultimately I must
          > > side with <BR>
          > > Scott. I do feel it is extremely important to restore the health of
          > > the most <BR>
          > > productive adults in the community, those that need to provide for
          > > their <BR>
          > > children and elders. What will the future of African countries be
          > > like if <BR>
          > > AIDS wipes out their current generation of family providers?
          > > Treatment is <BR>
          > > very important and its success conveys a great deal of hope that can
          > > not be <BR>
          > > measured in terms of money.<BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > The specific point that I wish to add puts the focus back on our own
          > > <BR>
          > > country. Public health in the United States has shuffled much of its
          > > funding <BR>
          > > into bioterrorism preparedness since 9/11. It can be argued that that
          > > <BR>
          > > funding could be better spent on issues of malnutrition in our own
          > > country's <BR>
          > > poor or funneled into more immunization programs, etc. I witnessed
          > > the need <BR>
          > > for better immunization surviellance and nutrition programs in the
          > > Navajo <BR>
          > > Nation right here on American soil. I think a good bit of this
          > > discussion <BR>
          > > centers on social justice issues. And before we decide to stop
          > > funding AIDS <BR>
          > > chemotherapeutic agents in Africa we might want to simply look at
          > > ourselves  <BR>
          > > and the justice in the way we funnel monies in our own country. I do
          > > not <BR>
          > > mean to imple that bioterrorism preparedness is unimportant--I just
          > > think <BR>
          > > its important to reflect back on ourselves and our own country when
          > > it comes <BR>
          > > to limiting resources and social justice.<BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > I welcome any thoughts on my point and hope I have explained myself
          > > clearly <BR>
          > > so as not to offend any one.<BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > Thanks for the great discussion.<BR>
          > > Luz<BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > <BR>
          > > >From: "Holland, Mark" <holland@...><BR>
          > > >Reply-To: ujeni@yahoogroups.com<BR>
          > > >To: "'ujeni@yahoogroups.com'"
          > > <ujeni@yahoogroups.com><BR>
          > > >Subject: RE: [ujeni] Forgot one thing!<BR>
          > > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:23:21 -0500<BR>
          > > ><BR>
          > > >Since this isn't my area at all I'm going to risk sounding
          > > ignorant, but <BR>
          > > >there are some great books by Paul Farmer on this topic
          > > specifically.  <BR>
          > > >Twice at least in the past 20 years he has launched a treatment
          > > program <BR>
          > > >using first-world drugs in a third-world context, first for
          > > tuberculosis <BR>
          > > >and now for HIV.  His thesis is that since prevention is
          > > observably not <BR>
          > > >working there is an obligation to move to treatment, regardless
          > > of funding <BR>
          > > >considerations.  If the funds are lacking, he argues, it's
          > > necessary to <BR>
          > > >generate them.<BR>
          > > ><BR>
          > > >If I'm understanding correctly each new intervention he has tried
          > > has <BR>
          > > >eventually shown measurable results.  Whether the model is
          > > portable I don't <BR>
          > > >know; perhaps his success is due primarily to his personal
          > > abilities and <BR>
          > > >stature.<BR>
          > > ><BR>
          > > >The Uses of Haiti, Tracy Kidder's biography Mountains beyond
          > > Mountains, and <BR>
          > > >Infections and Inequalities are all worth a read.<BR>
          > > ><BR>
          > > >Mark<BR>
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        • johooper@unm.edu
          Thanks a lot Luz! Joanna ... G ... I ... 4 ... / ... 3 ... 4 ... o
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            Thanks a lot Luz!

            Joanna

            Quoting Luz Huntington <luzhunt@...>:

            > Joanna,
            > I can't think of any references off the top of my head. I think most
            > of what
            > I have learned has come from a couple of radio shows I heard on KUYI
            > Hopi
            > Radio. I do have some colleagues I can ask and I will see if anything
            >
            > surfaces in my assigned readings this week in my American Indian
            > Health and
            > Health Care class; we are just about to start our discussion on
            > Diabetes.
            >
            > I will keep you posted, Luz
            >
            >
            > >From: johooper@...
            > >Reply-To: ujeni@yahoogroups.com
            > >To: ujeni@yahoogroups.com
            > >Subject: RE: [ujeni] Forgot one thing! My 2 cents...
            > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 13:08:18 -0700
            > >
            > >Luz,
            > >
            > >You mentioned that you worked with the Navajo Nation. I am
            > currently
            > >working on a project looking at diabetes prevention among Native
            > >Americans here in New Mexico. As part of my background research, I
            > am
            > >particularly interested in the food commodities programs and
            > perhaps
            > >how them impacted the local diet and changed it from the
            > traditional
            > >healthier foods to ones high in fat and high glycemic index
            > >carbohydrates. Although I have heard people make reference to it,
            > I
            > >am having a hard time finding any information that documents this
            > >historic event specifically in the literature searches that I have
            > >done. Do you have any references or ideas as to where I could find
            > >this information--for that matter, does anyone?
            > >
            > >Joanna
            > >
            > >
            > >Quoting Luz Huntington <luzhunt@...>:
            > >
            > > > <html><body>
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > <tt>
            > > > Joanna, Scott, John and Mark,<BR>
            > > > I am also a bit hesitant to contribute to this discussion but do
            > > > think I <BR>
            > > > have an important point to make. I really like Joanna's logical
            > > > approach to <BR>
            > > > monies spent on international health issues but ultimately I
            > must
            > > > side with <BR>
            > > > Scott. I do feel it is extremely important to restore the health
            > of
            > > > the most <BR>
            > > > productive adults in the community, those that need to provide
            > for
            > > > their <BR>
            > > > children and elders. What will the future of African countries
            > be
            > > > like if <BR>
            > > > AIDS wipes out their current generation of family providers?
            > > > Treatment is <BR>
            > > > very important and its success conveys a great deal of hope that
            > can
            > > > not be <BR>
            > > > measured in terms of money.<BR>
            > > > <BR>
            > > > The specific point that I wish to add puts the focus back on our
            > own
            > > > <BR>
            > > > country. Public health in the United States has shuffled much of
            > its
            > > > funding <BR>
            > > > into bioterrorism preparedness since 9/11. It can be argued that
            > that
            > > > <BR>
            > > > funding could be better spent on issues of malnutrition in our
            > own
            > > > country's <BR>
            > > > poor or funneled into more immunization programs, etc. I
            > witnessed
            > > > the need <BR>
            > > > for better immunization surviellance and nutrition programs in
            > the
            > > > Navajo <BR>
            > > > Nation right here on American soil. I think a good bit of this
            > > > discussion <BR>
            > > > centers on social justice issues. And before we decide to stop
            > > > funding AIDS <BR>
            > > > chemotherapeutic agents in Africa we might want to simply look
            > at
            > > > ourselves  <BR>
            > > > and the justice in the way we funnel monies in our own country. I
            > do
            > > > not <BR>
            > > > mean to imple that bioterrorism preparedness is unimportant--I
            > just
            > > > think <BR>
            > > > its important to reflect back on ourselves and our own country
            > when
            > > > it comes <BR>
            > > > to limiting resources and social justice.<BR>
            > > > <BR>
            > > > I welcome any thoughts on my point and hope I have explained
            > myself
            > > > clearly <BR>
            > > > so as not to offend any one.<BR>
            > > > <BR>
            > > > Thanks for the great discussion.<BR>
            > > > Luz<BR>
            > > > <BR>
            > > > <BR>
            > > > >From: "Holland, Mark"
            > <holland@...><BR>
            > > > >Reply-To: ujeni@yahoogroups.com<BR>
            > > > >To: "'ujeni@yahoogroups.com'"
            > > > <ujeni@yahoogroups.com><BR>
            > > > >Subject: RE: [ujeni] Forgot one thing!<BR>
            > > > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:23:21 -0500<BR>
            > > > ><BR>
            > > > >Since this isn't my area at all I'm going to risk sounding
            > > > ignorant, but <BR>
            > > > >there are some great books by Paul Farmer on this topic
            > > > specifically.  <BR>
            > > > >Twice at least in the past 20 years he has launched a
            > treatment
            > > > program <BR>
            > > > >using first-world drugs in a third-world context, first for
            > > > tuberculosis <BR>
            > > > >and now for HIV.  His thesis is that since prevention
            > is
            > > > observably not <BR>
            > > > >working there is an obligation to move to treatment,
            > regardless
            > > > of funding <BR>
            > > > >considerations.  If the funds are lacking, he argues,
            > it's
            > > > necessary to <BR>
            > > > >generate them.<BR>
            > > > ><BR>
            > > > >If I'm understanding correctly each new intervention he has
            > tried
            > > > has <BR>
            > > > >eventually shown measurable results.  Whether the model
            > is
            > > > portable I don't <BR>
            > > > >know; perhaps his success is due primarily to his personal
            > > > abilities and <BR>
            > > > >stature.<BR>
            > > > ><BR>
            > > > >The Uses of Haiti, Tracy Kidder's biography Mountains beyond
            > > > Mountains, and <BR>
            > > > >Infections and Inequalities are all worth a read.<BR>
            > > > ><BR>
            > > > >Mark<BR>
            > > > <BR>
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