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  • Mike Fortson
    Mark, My name is Mike Fortson. My wife and I are 8:30 pm mst witnesses from our former home in Chandler, Az. We got to see the solid boomerrang shaped craft. I
    Message 1 of 5 , Aug 31, 2000
      Mark,
       
      My name is Mike Fortson. My wife and I are 8:30 pm mst witnesses from our former home in Chandler, Az. We got to see the solid boomerrang shaped craft. I have attached a copy of my report.
       
      The only part of the so-called Phoenix Lights that has been accused of being flares is the event near 10:00 pm that night s/sw of Phoenix. This event has been called flares, however, there is nothing known for sure about these lights, except they are soft lights. Local and national tv shows love to show the 5- 10:00 pm videos when interviewing witnesses from the 8:00 hour. It's their way of confussing the viewer.
       
      The real story of March 13, 1997, the massive ufo flyover of Arizona, is rarely told or explained. There are thousands of witnesses saw soild V shaped craft, solid triangle shaped craft, and amber orbs.
       
      Mike Fortson
       

      Boomerang Mesa, Arizona

      Reports from The OVNI Chapterhouse

      I awoke from a brief nap in my recliner and leaned over to tell my wife that I was going to bed. I glanced to the clock on the television, it was 8:30 pm. As I walked down the hallway to the master bedroom, I noticed the bedroom window was open. The weather was most pleasant this March 13 evening, temp. 75 degrees, clear and no wind.(Jim Schnebelt Fox 10 weather) Typical Arizona spring evening.

      As I pulled the window closed, my eyes were attracted to the three huge, bright white lights angled down and very low to the ground. "Plane crash!" I thought.

      These lights were way too low and angled in a way nothing I know of could pull out of.

      I ran down the hallway, grabbed my glasses off the bar and yelled to my wife, of 25 years, "get outside right now!"

      Without hesitation she followed me out the back arcadia door to the edge of our patio. (I have timed this since and it took app. 8-10 sec)

      Standing at the edge of our patio, facing west, and looking north, confussion struck me. For there was no plane crash, but coming from the north and heading south was one, single structure that looked like a giant boomerrang. (the description of boomerrang, chevron (best), and V shaped object all apply). This object stuck out like a sore thumb in the evening sky due to the fact we were looking north towards the Phoenix metro area, and the city lights gave us a grey background in which to view this huge black V shaped object. It was so low to the surface we could not believe it. I remember saying, "what the hell is that?"

      The huge V shaped craft was moving slowly to the south. At this point, still northwest of us, we both saw a 737 in landing approach pass over the object. The plane was coming in from the west heading east. The V shaped craft was heading south from the north. As the plane passed over the 737, I said, "did you see that! Why didn't the plane get the hell out of there?" But it didn't. The pilot nor the planes computers saw nothing. (Just like the radars at Sky Harbor and Luke AFB. Nothing was detected.)

      I would like to explain more on this incident. We live app. 23 miles ESE of Sky Harbor in Phoenix. Planes coming in to land (most of the time) will come out by us, bank to the north (left), proceed for app. 10-12 miles, bank left again (west) and land at Sky Harbor. This is normal landing pattern. I have talked to airline pilots, tower operators, and investigators about the altitude of planes coming in to land at Sky Harbor, at the point of the first bank north where we live. The altitude..1200'. The massive V shaped craft we saw was under 1200' altitude!

      As the huge V shaped craft proceeded south, it was almost in front of us, when my eyes followed the left wing to it's end. We live 1/2 mile south of Chandler Blvd. The end of the wing was well past that and at least half way to Ray Rd. (1 1/2 miles north!) I remember saying to my wife, "that son-of-a-bitch is a mile long! As it passed in front of us all we could see is the left wing. That's how low it was. At arm's length the object was at least 30"+ long. I reported it was app. 1 1/2 mile west of us, going down Alma School Rd. But the closest part of the huge V, the end of the left wing was much closer. Maybe within a 1/2 mile.

      One thing that I remember the most is how this craft "floated" app. 30-40 mph. There was no visual means of propulsion and absolutely no noise. The altitude and speed of the craft never changed.

      On March 13, 1997, at app.8:31 pm mst., there was a bright bottom quarter moon setting in the western horizon. I said to the wife, "we're gonna get more detail, look, it's going right into the light of the moon." But instead of greater detail of this huge V shaped craft, what we saw still amazes us.

      As the front of the V shaped craft entered the light of the moon, this black chevron shaped object became tranlucent in bright light! We could still see the bottom quarter moon thru the object, but instead of bright white, it (moon) was a dingy yellow. As the V shaped craft exited the bright moon, it became a solid black object again. We watched as the entire craft passed thru this. Seeing a solid object going into and coming out of, was black. But as the craft passed between us and the bright, white moon, it was translucent. (Something about bright objects...witnesses who had this pass over their heads claim that as the craft passed between bright stars, it was like looking thru...water)

      By the time the end (left wing still) was passing thru the light of the moon, the front of the craft was disappearing into the night sky to our south. It never changed course, speed, or altitude. Just faded off into the night sky to the south of us.

      During the whole sighting we never moved our feet. We never considered getting a camera. We never thought of yelling for a neighbor.

      There was no question in our minds that what we saw was not of this Earth.

      Our total sighting was app. 1 minute and 45 seconds.

      Hope this is what you were looking for. You may post this if you wish.

      Report by Mike Fortson.

       
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Mark Roberts <mrmarkbroberts@...>
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      Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 12:36 PM
      Subject: UFOnet: THOUGHTS ON THE PHEONIX LIGHTS


      Hiya Group,
       
      Just finished re-watching UFO's Over Pheonix. The Channel 5 documentary concerning the Pheonix Lights.
       
      The programme was transmitted in the UK only although I'm sure our American friends have seen something similar.
       
      Now the whole crux of the argument on the programme is that the Pheonix Lights were officially military flares released by the Luke Air Force Base.
       
      Well, possibly that is part of the explanation, but it certainly wouldn't explain the whole experience. Here are few reasons that occur to me:-
       
      1. Military flares apparently last for approximately five minutes. However, the sightings were experienced over four nights. The main sighting on March 13th lasted from 8.15p.m. till 10.00 p.m., that's 1 hr 45 minutes. That's 1 hr and 40 minutes more than Military Flares should be visible.
       
      2. Why did the Luke Air Force Base deny having any calls about the lights when hundreds of people reported that they HAD called them?
       
      3. Why did the Luke Air Force Base firstly deny using the flares and then change their position on that statement at a later date?
       
      4. Flares don't normally stay in formation and yet the Phoenix Lights did.
       
      5. Also the computer analysts who examined the video and compared it with another video of Military Flares said there was no similarity between the Pheonix Lights and the Military Flares even though they were using specialist software.
       
      6. Even if the sighting at 10.00 p.m. were military flares, it would not explain the earlier sightings.
       
      7. Flares don't travel along a flight path as the strange object was reported to have done.
       
      8. According to the computer analysis, lights did fall behind the mountain rather than in front of it. However, that does not prove that they were flares.
       
      9.One of the witnesses reported aircraft surrounding the object, which shot rapidly upwards and disappeared.Military Flares don't do this.
       
      10. And finally, just an aside, during one of the video clips ( and I can't tell you exactly which one, but I have it on tape) it seems that some type of aircraft actually flies in front of the lights. It comes in from the left hand side, travels across the front of the object and flies off to the right hand side. Unfortunately, you may not be able to see this on a streaming video as the quality isn't of a high enough standard. However, for those who have all of these videos on tape, check through them carefully and you should be able to see it.
       
      Well, there are my thoughts on the matter. I'm not actually saying that the object is an extraterrestrial craft. But it has to be something out of the norm for the authorities to be trying to cover it up.
       
      Why were they trying to cover it up? Well, firstly the denial by the Air Force that they had had any calls, secondly they denied that they had used Military Flares and then said that they had.
       
      The Police also denied that they had received any calls even though hundreds of people reported that they had called them.
       
      There was a complete lack of an investigation by the government.
       
      The local council investigation was completely lighthearted in attitude despite the seriousness of hundreds of respectable witnesses.
       
      I'm sure that this case will go on for a few years yet and we may never know the complete truth. I am sure, however, that the government denials will have something to do with this.
       
      Well, that's my thoughts on the subject, what do other members think?
       
      Regards,
       
      Mark
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    • Don Bennett
      Here s a story that might shed some light on the Phoenix lights. It was told to me by the primary witness, who was in Phoenix many years ago, long before the
      Message 2 of 5 , Aug 31, 2000
            Here's a story that might shed some light on the Phoenix lights.  It was told to me by the primary witness, who was in Phoenix many years ago, long before the events in question.  When he told me the story, in the 1980's, he was Quality Assurance Manager of an Aerospace firm and I was the Customer Resident Rep. 
            He told me that on that night long ago, he had spent the night at a bar, drinking.  He left the bar, drunk, at daybreak.  The bar was in a shopping center, so there was a large parking lot.  As he staggered across the parking lot, he looked up and saw many UFOs in the northern sky.  He said to himself, "I'm drunk!  I'm not a credible witness!  I got to find a witness who's not drunk!"  He looked around.  As luck would have it, he saw a trailer in the parking lot with large windows and a sign which said that it was a mobile studio of the local radio station.  The all night disc jockey could be seen inside doing the show.  Staggering over to the trailer, my drunken friend pounded on the window, pointed at the UFOs and yelled, "LOOK!"  The disc jockey inside, not drunk, looked and saw the UFOs.  Opening his microphone, he broadcast, "OK all you people in Phoenix, I want you to look out your window to the north and get on the telephone and tell me what you see."  Within minutes, the phones lit up with hundreds of calls from all over Phoenix from people who all said they could see the UFOs.  Then the disc jockey announced, "OK Phoenix, now I'm going to call the local Air Force Base Commander and see what he has to say."  The call was placed and put on the air, live.  The DJ asked the Base Commander if he could see the northern sky from where he sat, and he said yes.  Then the DJ asked the Base Commander to tell the people of Phoenix, who were all looking at UFOs at that very time, to tell them on live radio what he saw.  The Base Commander replied:  "There's nothing there."
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Mark Roberts <mrmarkbroberts@...>
        To: psi_net@egroups.com <psi_net@egroups.com>; ufonet@egroups.com <ufonet@egroups.com>; para-discuss@egroups.com <para-discuss@egroups.com>; ufologyinuk@egroups.com <ufologyinuk@egroups.com>
        Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 12:36 PM
        Subject: UFOnet: THOUGHTS ON THE PHEONIX LIGHTS


        Hiya Group,
         
        Just finished re-watching UFO's Over Pheonix. The Channel 5 documentary concerning the Pheonix Lights.
         
        The programme was transmitted in the UK only although I'm sure our American friends have seen something similar.
         
        Now the whole crux of the argument on the programme is that the Pheonix Lights were officially military flares released by the Luke Air Force Base.
         
        Well, possibly that is part of the explanation, but it certainly wouldn't explain the whole experience. Here are few reasons that occur to me:-
         
        1. Military flares apparently last for approximately five minutes. However, the sightings were experienced over four nights. The main sighting on March 13th lasted from 8.15p.m. till 10.00 p.m., that's 1 hr 45 minutes. That's 1 hr and 40 minutes more than Military Flares should be visible.
         
        2. Why did the Luke Air Force Base deny having any calls about the lights when hundreds of people reported that they HAD called them?
         
        3. Why did the Luke Air Force Base firstly deny using the flares and then change their position on that statement at a later date?
         
        4. Flares don't normally stay in formation and yet the Phoenix Lights did.
         
        5. Also the computer analysts who examined the video and compared it with another video of Military Flares said there was no similarity between the Pheonix Lights and the Military Flares even though they were using specialist software.
         
        6. Even if the sighting at 10.00 p.m. were military flares, it would not explain the earlier sightings.
         
        7. Flares don't travel along a flight path as the strange object was reported to have done.
         
        8. According to the computer analysis, lights did fall behind the mountain rather than in front of it. However, that does not prove that they were flares.
         
        9.One of the witnesses reported aircraft surrounding the object, which shot rapidly upwards and disappeared.Military Flares don't do this.
         
        10. And finally, just an aside, during one of the video clips ( and I can't tell you exactly which one, but I have it on tape) it seems that some type of aircraft actually flies in front of the lights. It comes in from the left hand side, travels across the front of the object and flies off to the right hand side. Unfortunately, you may not be able to see this on a streaming video as the quality isn't of a high enough standard. However, for those who have all of these videos on tape, check through them carefully and you should be able to see it.
         
        Well, there are my thoughts on the matter. I'm not actually saying that the object is an extraterrestrial craft. But it has to be something out of the norm for the authorities to be trying to cover it up.
         
        Why were they trying to cover it up? Well, firstly the denial by the Air Force that they had had any calls, secondly they denied that they had used Military Flares and then said that they had.
         
        The Police also denied that they had received any calls even though hundreds of people reported that they had called them.
         
        There was a complete lack of an investigation by the government.
         
        The local council investigation was completely lighthearted in attitude despite the seriousness of hundreds of respectable witnesses.
         
        I'm sure that this case will go on for a few years yet and we may never know the complete truth. I am sure, however, that the government denials will have something to do with this.
         
        Well, that's my thoughts on the subject, what do other members think?
         
        Regards,
         
        Mark
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      • Pepthewep
        Mike, Are you aware that at Edwards AFB, at the very Southern end where no one can see, there is a boomerang-shaped platform the size of a small town??
        Message 3 of 5 , Aug 31, 2000
          Mike,
             Are you aware that at Edwards AFB, at the very Southern end where no one can see, there is a "boomerang-shaped" platform
          the size of a small town??  There are also, nearby, monstrously big (1/4 mile long) openings in the ground slit-shaped.  Earth is pushed out from one of the holes and covered with fibrous material.  It looks like something pushed its way out!  The middle of all the holes is completely black so, they are deep.  I found all this from a satellite map on Terreserv.   Barb c.
        • Mike Fortson
          Barb c, Thank you for the thought.. However, I don t believe the bunkers would be necessary. Why? Because I think it s possible that the ufo s seen over
          Message 4 of 5 , Sep 1, 2000
            Barb c,
             
            Thank you for the thought..
             
            However, I don't believe the bunkers would be necessary. Why? Because I think it's possible that the ufo's seen over Arizona on March 13, 1997, were diminsional craft with shape-shifting capabilities. Several witnesses saw three massive V shaped objects "pancake" on top each other, form a white ball of light, and vanish, at 5:30 pm mst, near Crown King, Az. This one the media will not report. There are other reports of a V shaped object changing shape.
             
            What you viewed on the satellite map was intended to be seen.
             
            Mike
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            Date: Thursday, August 31, 2000 07:21 PM
            Subject: Re: UFOnet: THOUGHTS ON THE PHEONIX LIGHTS


            Mike,
               Are you aware that at Edwards AFB, at the very Southern end where no one can see, there is a "boomerang-shaped" platform
            the size of a small town??  There are also, nearby, monstrously big (1/4 mile long) openings in the ground slit-shaped.  Earth is pushed out from one of the holes and covered with fibrous material.  It looks like something pushed its way out!  The middle of all the holes is completely black so, they are deep.  I found all this from a satellite map on Terreserv.   Barb c.

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          • Pepthewep
            Mark Fortson, I read your post on the boomerang shaped UFO. Instantly, I thought of something I recently saw at the WAY southern end of Edwards AFB. It was a
            Message 5 of 5 , Sep 1, 2000
              Mark Fortson,
                  I read your post on the boomerang shaped UFO.  Instantly, I thought of something I recently saw at the WAY southern end of Edwards AFB.  It was a "Boomerang-shaped" platform the size of a small town!!!  It's out in the middle of NOWHERE!!!  That's not all I found.  If you're interested, write.  I keep getting frozen out.....I couldn't even reach YOU yesterday!     Barb c.
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