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  • John locker
    Dave , The object could not possibly put a shadow on the tether as the tether itself was only a few centimeteres wide.At 70 miles this would just be
    Message 1 of 10 , Aug 1 10:43 AM
      Dave ,

      The object could not possibly put a shadow "on" the tether as the tether
      itself was only a few centimeteres wide.At 70 miles this would just be
      impossible , even if the object was within a few metres of the tether
      itself.

      What the still proves is that the whole sequence is subject to light
      diffusion/flooding and over exposure due to a combination of factors...sun
      angle/intensity , lens focus/exposure

      The object must be :-
      A Tiny
      B within a few centimetre of the lens

      In other words , part of the microcosm of "flotsam" which floats with the
      shuttle made up of dust , ice and debris.

      Hope this helps,

      Regards,

      John.


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      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Cosmic Conspiracies <littlegreys@...>
      To: <ufonet@egroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:57 PM
      Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape


      > Dear John,
      > Having re-reviewed the particular clip that I sent out, I can see that it
      > does in fact look like the 'disk' in question does pass INFRONT of the
      > tether, when the clip is paused or slowed down. However, I still think
      that
      > the object is nearer to the tether, rather than the camera because as it
      > passes over the tether it leaves a shadow on it. Signifying that is must
      be
      > close to the tether. If it was a near camera object you wouldnt get the
      > shadow at all.
      >
      > Dave at 'Cosmic Conspiracies'
      > http://members.madasafish.com/~coscon
      >
      >
      >
      > >From: "John locker" <satcom@...>
      > >Reply-To: ufonet@egroups.com
      > >To: <ufonet@egroups.com>, <JamesOberg@...>
      > >CC: <SHnSassy1@...>, <Sightings@egroups.com>, <ufolist@egroups.com>,
      > ><ufonet@egroups.com>, <UFOscotland@...>, <Ufoseek@...>,
      > ><UFOSSI@...>, <UFOTruth-owner@...>
      > >Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape
      > >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:41:43 +0100
      > >
      > >Study the video clip ,...you'll see the near camera object gets lost in
      the
      > >luminance of the tether , then re-appears in the shadow area.
      > >
      > >Simple lighting effect.
      > >
      > >See the attached still.....it says it all.
      > >
      > >(I'm not very keen on attaching stuff to list posts.Apologies to all if
      > >this
      > >is out of order.
      > >I have reduced the size as much as possible.Please load the image to
      floppy
      > >before viewing.)
      > >
      > >But lets see what Jim has to say.
      > >
      > >Regards
      > >
      > >John.
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    • Cosmic Conspiracies
      John, If the tether was indeed only a few centimetres wide, how come we can see it 70+ miles away? throw a dice into space and see if you can see it at that
      Message 2 of 10 , Aug 1 4:58 PM
        John,

        If the tether was indeed only a few centimetres wide, how come we can see it
        70+ miles away? throw a dice into space and see if you can see it at that
        distance. If you watch other segments of the footage, we see thousands of
        articles (looking similar to sperm under a microscope), surely this amount
        of debris in space would completely pepper our spacecraft making them
        useless?

        Finally someone from NASA has suggested to me that the coloured flares on
        the footage seen by the airlock are gliches on the tape...these flares
        appear as green and red, caused by coloured wheels in the camera? But this
        person also tells me that the film used is black and white?? how can this
        be.. you cant produce colours on a black and white film.. even with a
        coloured lense. If this is the case, why do we hear the astronauts
        commenting on several flashes, if they are only film glitches?


        >From: "John locker" <satcom@...>
        >Reply-To: ufonet@egroups.com
        >To: <ufonet@egroups.com>
        >Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape
        >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:43:29 +0100
        >
        >Dave ,
        >
        >The object could not possibly put a shadow "on" the tether as the tether
        >itself was only a few centimeteres wide.At 70 miles this would just be
        >impossible , even if the object was within a few metres of the tether
        >itself.
        >
        >What the still proves is that the whole sequence is subject to light
        >diffusion/flooding and over exposure due to a combination of factors...sun
        >angle/intensity , lens focus/exposure
        >
        >The object must be :-
        >A Tiny
        >B within a few centimetre of the lens
        >
        >In other words , part of the microcosm of "flotsam" which floats with the
        >shuttle made up of dust , ice and debris.
        >
        >Hope this helps,
        >
        >Regards,
        >
        >John.
        >
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        >From: Cosmic Conspiracies <littlegreys@...>
        >To: <ufonet@egroups.com>
        >Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 5:57 PM
        >Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape
        >
        >
        > > Dear John,
        > > Having re-reviewed the particular clip that I sent out, I can see that
        >it
        > > does in fact look like the 'disk' in question does pass INFRONT of the
        > > tether, when the clip is paused or slowed down. However, I still think
        >that
        > > the object is nearer to the tether, rather than the camera because as it
        > > passes over the tether it leaves a shadow on it. Signifying that is must
        >be
        > > close to the tether. If it was a near camera object you wouldnt get the
        > > shadow at all.
        > >
        > > Dave at 'Cosmic Conspiracies'
        > > http://members.madasafish.com/~coscon
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > >From: "John locker" <satcom@...>
        > > >Reply-To: ufonet@egroups.com
        > > >To: <ufonet@egroups.com>, <JamesOberg@...>
        > > >CC: <SHnSassy1@...>, <Sightings@egroups.com>,
        ><ufolist@egroups.com>,
        > > ><ufonet@egroups.com>, <UFOscotland@...>, <Ufoseek@...>,
        > > ><UFOSSI@...>, <UFOTruth-owner@...>
        > > >Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape
        > > >Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:41:43 +0100
        > > >
        > > >Study the video clip ,...you'll see the near camera object gets lost in
        >the
        > > >luminance of the tether , then re-appears in the shadow area.
        > > >
        > > >Simple lighting effect.
        > > >
        > > >See the attached still.....it says it all.
        > > >
        > > >(I'm not very keen on attaching stuff to list posts.Apologies to all if
        > > >this
        > > >is out of order.
        > > >I have reduced the size as much as possible.Please load the image to
        >floppy
        > > >before viewing.)
        > > >
        > > >But lets see what Jim has to say.
        > > >
        > > >Regards
        > > >
        > > >John.
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      • John locker
        Hi Dave, You are in danger of backing yourself into a corner here , but perhaps I can help you out. Firstly , the tether was only a few centimetres
        Message 3 of 10 , Aug 1 11:16 PM
          Hi Dave,


          You are in danger of backing yourself into a corner here , but perhaps I can
          help you out.

          Firstly , the tether was only a few centimetres wide...fact.

          Secondly you are showing a fundamental lack of understanding when it comes
          to observing objects in space.
          The tether had no luminance of its own unless lit by sunlight , and or the
          possible effects of the plasma shield.
          It was however highly reflective and once it caught the light from the
          rising sun became highly visible.
          I have a report from 1996 when an observer in Australia saw it from the
          ground.There were other reports too of naked eye sightings.

          The shuttle does indeed carry with it millions of tiny particles which also
          reflect the light.
          I mentioned in the past , looking into an almost sterile room when a beam of
          sunlight shines in.
          What do you see?
          Millions of tiny dots of dust.....although when the sun beam disappears , so
          do the dust particles....same principle.

          Each time a shuttle carries out a water dump , the fluid released freezes
          into millions of tiny ice crystals.Even this can be seen from the ground if
          lighting is correct.....it appears as a cloud of sparkling dots in the night
          sky....again , I have reports from all over the world of sightings from the
          ground.

          Now on the basis that the Smoking Gun video put such store on the tether
          incident......I think we have clearly shown that the incident was nothing
          unusual.

          For those interested I have attached below NASAs mission day highlights
          about the tether release.

          NOTE in particular the section....

          "For a third investigation of the orbiter's ionospheric surroundings, the
          SETS and SPREE experiments teamed up with the Tether Optical Phenomena
          (TOP), Research on Orbital Plasma Electrodynamics (ROPE) and Research on
          Electrodynamic Tether Effects (RETE) experiments to study the electron beams
          fired from the SETS experiment's electron gun."

          Finally as regards the flecks of light outside the airlock....

          The specks are common to much of the STS footage , and have been deemed to
          be cosmic ray features.
          A recently interviewed German Mir crew member commented that cosmic rays
          were vis to the naked eye."Even when we closed our eyes ," he said , "we
          could still see them...we used to count them , like sheep , to help us get
          to sleep."

          Regards,

          John.




          Excerpt from NASAs mission day highlights STS 75.

          For a third investigation of the orbiter's ionospheric surroundings, the
          SETS and SPREE experiments teamed up with the Tether Optical Phenomena
          (TOP), Research on Orbital Plasma Electrodynamics (ROPE) and Research on
          Electrodynamic Tether Effects (RETE) experiments to study the electron beams
          fired from the SETS experiment's electron gun. Previous measurements
          indicated that a thin electron beam emitted from the orbiter quickly expands
          in width to form a cylinder. The effectiveness of these electron emissions
          from the orbiter depends on various factors, including the beam's direction,
          the local ionosphere's density, and the orbiter's electrical potential
          compared with that of the ionosphere.

          While Mission Specialist Claude Nicollier used the TOP camera to watch the
          electron beams, the tethered satellite-mounted ROPE and RETE experiments
          used their plasma diagnostic instruments to observe the beams during both
          sunlight and darkness to obtain data.

          The RETE investigation also participated in an electromagnetic environment
          calibration with the SETS instruments. This calibration observes
          low-frequency waves not produced by the tethered satellite. Sources of these
          waves include interaction of the orbiter with the ionosphere, ground-based
          transmitters, atmospheric lightning, orbiter electrical machinery and
          electron gun firings. Essentially, this experiment calibrates the
          "background noise" that can be picked up by tethered satellite instruments.

          The RETE experiment, led by Dr. Marino Dobrowolny of the Italian Space
          Agency, will provide information about the electrical potential of the
          ionized gas, or "plasma," sheath that will surround the tethered satellite
          during its deployed operations. The ROPE investigation, led by Dr. Nobie
          Stone of the Marshall Space Flight Center, is designed to study the behavior
          of charged and neutral particles around the tethered satellite under a
          variety of conditions. Last night, these investigations helped scientists to
          determine how quickly electrons will be returned to the ionosphere to
          complete the tether system's electrical circuit and allow the tethered
          satellite system to generate electricity.

          During the night, the crew also reconfigured the laptop computer to enable
          it to communicate with both cores of the smartflex data relay in Columbia's
          cargo bay. During the next twelve hours, actual deployment operations for
          the tethered satellite will begin at 2:45 p.m., CST as the crew releases the
          satellite so it can be reeled out.

          On Sunday, February 25, 1996, 8:00 a.m. CST, STS-75 MCC Status Report # 06
          reports:

          Columbia's crew will begin the deploy sequence of the Tethered Satellite
          System about 2:45 this afternoon after a one-day delay to allow flight
          controllers and the astronauts additional time to properly check out the
          various science instruments and equipment that will be used throughout the
          two-day operation.

          The delay also gave flight controllers time to refine any troubleshooting
          procedures that might be used in the event the Smart Flex computer relay
          system develops problems during the deploy operations. The system has been
          operating trouble-free for more than 24 hours since being systematically
          checked out early Saturday morning.

          Prior to initiating the deploy sequence, the boom supporting the Tethered
          Satellite will be raised out of the payload bay to a height of about 39
          feet. The satellite will be released from its docking ring capture latches
          at the top of the boom and will slowly and deliberately be deployed to a
          distance of slightly more than 12 mile (20 kilometers) over a five and a
          half hour period. The satellite will remain 'on station' for science
          operations for about 22 hours.

          Retrieval of TSS would follow with the satellite being reeled back in during
          another five and half hour period, stopping for additional science data
          gathering at a distance of about one mile from the Shuttle. This second 'on
          station' operation is scheduled to last for nine hours before the final
          retrieval and docking of the satellite. The entire TSS operation is
          scheduled to last about 48 hours.

          Communications and commanding of the satellite during deploy and retrieve is
          done by a radio link to the Space Shuttle by ground commands from NASA's
          Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, which has overall program
          management for the TSS project.

          With Columbia's systems in excellent shape, activities today are focused on
          the deploy of the Tethered Satellite. Columbia continues to circle the Earth
          every 90 minutes at an altitude of 184 miles.

          On Sunday, February 25, 1996, 6:00 p.m. CST, STS-75 MCC Status Report # 07
          reports:

          Three and a half years after an errant bolt halted its deployment, the
          Italian Tethered Satellite successfully began its journey from the Shuttle
          Columbia for two days of scientific studies.

          Suspended at the end of a slim tether, the satellite's thrusters nudged TSS
          away from a docking ring atop a 40-foot boom towering over Columbia's cargo
          bay at 2:45 PM Central time. The satellite slowly moved away from Columbia
          into the darkness of space as the astronauts reported little oscillation in
          the long tether. An hour later, the TSS had passed the distance of maximum
          deployment achieved on its previous flight, 843 feet, during the STS-46
          mission in the summer of 1992.

          Astronauts and ground controllers overcame previous difficulties with data
          handling equipment and portable computers which had caused a one-day delay
          in the deployment. Operating on a normal timeline today, the crew checked
          out the satellite and its associated systems before extending the TSS boom
          above the bay like a giant tower. After making sure that Columbia and the
          TSS could communicate over radio links, a power umbilical to the satellite
          was released, placing the satellite on internal battery power. Columbia's
          maneuvering jets were temporarily disabled during the TSS deployment, to
          avoid any disturbances to the tether during the satellite's initial flyaway.

          TSS is expected to reach its farthest distance from Columbia, almost 13
          miles, by late this evening for more than 24 hours of scientific studies on
          electromagnetic phenomena and the use of tethers for satellite management.
          The satellite will begin its slow creep back to Columbia Monday night in
          advance of its final retrieval and docking back on its boom at about 12:43
          PM Central time Tuesday afternoon.

          Columbia is functioning perfectly in support of TSS operations as it orbits
          the Earth every 90 minutes at an altitude of about 180 statute miles.




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          Freelance Journalist From: Cosmic Conspiracies <littlegreys@...>
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          Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape


          > John,
          >
          > If the tether was indeed only a few centimetres wide, how come we can see
          it
          > 70+ miles away? throw a dice into space and see if you can see it at that
          > distance. If you watch other segments of the footage, we see thousands of
          > articles (looking similar to sperm under a microscope), surely this amount
          > of debris in space would completely pepper our spacecraft making them
          > useless?
          >
          > Finally someone from NASA has suggested to me that the coloured flares on
          > the footage seen by the airlock are gliches on the tape...these flares
          > appear as green and red, caused by coloured wheels in the camera? But this
          > person also tells me that the film used is black and white?? how can this
          > be.. you cant produce colours on a black and white film.. even with a
          > coloured lense. If this is the case, why do we hear the astronauts
          > commenting on several flashes, if they are only film glitches?
        • John locker
          I seem to be having to explain myself over and over here , but thats OK , we need to sort this one out....so lets take a quote from CNN. The satellite was
          Message 4 of 10 , Aug 1 11:57 PM
            I seem to be having to explain myself over and over here , but thats OK , we
            need to sort this one out....so lets take a quote from CNN.

            "The satellite was supposed to generate some 3,000 volts of electricity as
            it swept through the earth's magnetic field on the end of a 12-mile,
            shoestring-thin tether. But the tether snapped, sending the satellite
            rushing away from the shuttle. "

            Shoe string thin...there we are , taken from one of their reports , at the
            time of the mission .

            Check out CNNs site, search STS 75....they have real video clips ,
            explanations etc...it's all there.

            Finally , the "object" doesnt cast a "shadow" on the tether , its an
            abberation caused by the intensity of the light source .... the sun !

            Best wishes,

            John.




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            > Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape
            > From: John locker, satcom@...
            >
            > >Firstly , the tether was only a few centimetres wide...fact.
            > >
            > >Secondly you are showing a fundamental lack of understanding when it
            comes
            > >to observing objects in space.
            > >The tether had no luminance of its own unless lit by sunlight , and or
            the
            > >possible effects of the plasma shield.
            > Hi, I'm new to the list.
            >
            > I have a few questions on how carefully you actually looked at the
            > picture. Even if the tether was a few cm wide, at what distance and/or
            > magnification was the footage taken? It takes up a very wide black
            > space. Also, set the slider to 4/7 of the way and just as the object
            > leaves the tether. Don't you see a shadow cast on the illuminated
            > portion of the tether, that was clearly not within the object's outline,
            > which meant that the object was between the light source and tether?
            >
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          • Autymn D. C.
            Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape From: John locker, satcom@cybase.co.uk ... Hi, I m new to the list. I have a few questions on how
            Message 5 of 10 , Aug 2 1:44 AM
              Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape
              From: John locker, satcom@...

              >Firstly , the tether was only a few centimetres wide...fact.
              >
              >Secondly you are showing a fundamental lack of understanding when it comes
              >to observing objects in space.
              >The tether had no luminance of its own unless lit by sunlight , and or the
              >possible effects of the plasma shield.
              Hi, I'm new to the list.

              I have a few questions on how carefully you actually looked at the
              picture. Even if the tether was a few cm wide, at what distance and/or
              magnification was the footage taken? It takes up a very wide black
              space. Also, set the slider to 4/7 of the way and just as the object
              leaves the tether. Don't you see a shadow cast on the illuminated
              portion of the tether, that was clearly not within the object's outline,
              which meant that the object was between the light source and tether?
            • Autymn D. C.
              Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape From: John locker, satcom@cybase.co.uk ... Hi, I m new to the list. I have a few questions on how
              Message 6 of 10 , Aug 2 1:44 AM
                Subject: Re: UFOnet: Re: The Smoking Gun Tape
                From: John locker, satcom@...

                >Firstly , the tether was only a few centimetres wide...fact.
                >
                >Secondly you are showing a fundamental lack of understanding when it comes
                >to observing objects in space.
                >The tether had no luminance of its own unless lit by sunlight , and or the
                >possible effects of the plasma shield.
                Hi, I'm new to the list.

                I have a few questions on how carefully you actually looked at the
                picture. Even if the tether was a few cm wide, at what distance and/or
                magnification was the footage taken? It takes up a very wide black
                space. Also, set the slider to 4/7 of the way and just as the object
                leaves the tether. Don't you see a shadow cast on the illuminated
                portion of the tether, that was clearly not within the object's outline,
                which meant that the object was between the light source and tether?
              • John locker
                From the SeeSat mailing list for March 4 1996 a description of the tether as viewed from Hawai i This morning Honolulu had a great view of the untethered
                Message 7 of 10 , Aug 3 5:19 AM
                  From the SeeSat mailing list for March 4 1996 a description of the tether as
                  viewed from Hawai'i


                  "This morning Honolulu had a great view of the untethered satellite as it
                  passed about 42 degrees up in our sky. It was very obvious and lots of
                  ohh's and ahhh's were heard from the group of early risers who braved the
                  cold winds that made us "Hawaii weather wimps" shiver!

                  One TV crew was even able to catch it on video! The tether was about 3
                  moon diameters across with a brighter point at one end (like a
                  pinhead). Although Hawai'i seems to be much favored compared with most of
                  the US, however, if it does enter your sky, don't miss it - it's
                  spectacular! Also, make sure that you are using the latest elements since
                  they are changing daily. This satellite has about 600X's more drag than
                  most other satellites!"


                  The shoe string wide tether.....viewed with the naked eye.

                  John.
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