Re: Swissair Liner's CE With 'UFO' Off NYC '97
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Data: Domingo, 7 de Mar�o de 1999 11:25
Assunto: [ufonet] Re: Swissair Liner's CE With 'UFO' Off NYC '97
>From: "A.U.R.A." <aura@...>Nederland:http://www.xs4all.nl/~ufonet, Frontier Sciences Foundation
>> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:53:34 -0300
>> From: Donald Ledger <dledger@...>
>> To: updates@...
>> Subject: Re: Swissair Liner's CE With 'UFO' Off NYC '97
>> >Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:40:48 +0100
>> >From: Gerhard Eickenhorst <ehs@...>
>> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@...>
>> >Subject: Re: Swissair Liner's CE With 'UFO' Off NYC '97
>> >Hello from Switzerland,
>> >Swissair has or never had 737 planes. As a formal Swissair
>> >technician I think I should tell you. I think Stephen Thorne was
>> >thinking of a 747.
>> >>Swissair Flight 127 was cruising at 23,000 feet on Aug. 9, 1997,
>> >>when the pilot interrupted an address to passengers to report
>> >>the near miss by a round white object, says a report by the U.S.
>> >>National Transportation Safety Board.
>> Gerhard is right. The aircraft in question was a 747-300. This
>> incident was looked into a couple of years ago by many on the
>> List. Below is a tower transcript supplied in its entirety, at
>> the time, by Bill Weitzel. Following that is the FAA's
>> explanation of the event as forwarded by Kenny Young at the
>> time. Sorry for the length.
>> Don Ledger
>> This portion of the re-recording concerns communications at the
>> Danbury Center, Sector #20, Radar Associate Position, during the
>> time period 2102 C.U.T., to 2119 C.U.T., on August 9th, 1997.
>> C: --- 35 20 contact Boston Center 1 3 3 point 4 2
>> P: 1 3 3 4 2 ... 35 20
>> C: Air Shuttle 52 95, contact Boston Center 1 3 3 point 4 2
>> P: 3 4 2
>> P: Good afternoon, Boston Center, Eagle Flight 934 1 3 ...
>> C: Eagle Flight 934, Boston Center ... altimeter is 3 0 1 1
>> ... acknowledge
>> P: Acknowledge 934 thanks
>> P: Eagle Flight 935 ... 1 7 17
>> C: Eagle Flight 935 Boston Center climber maintain ... 2 1 0
>> P: 2 1 0 Eagle Flight 935
>> P: Boston Blue Ridge 521 leaving 14,500 for 1 2000
>> C: Blue Ridge 521 Boston Center ... 7 0 3 0 1 1
>> P: 3 0 1 1 Blue Ridge, uh, 521
>> C: Eagle Flight 935 contact Boston Center 1 2 5 point 5 7
>> P: 25 57 Eagle Flight 935
>> P: Afternoon, Boston, Delta 1840 ... 14 5, for 1 7000
>> C: Delta 1840 Boston Center ... maintain ... 2 1 0 ... direct
>> Providence westward unchanged.
>> P: 2 1 0 direct Providence and thank you, Delta 1840
>> (4 phone tones, rings once, pause, same 4 tones, ring)
>> C: Maintain 1 1000
>> P: (faint voice) ... 1 1000 ...
>> P: Boston, good afternoon, Swissair 127 heading(?) 2 3 0
>> C: Swissair 127 heading(?), Boston Center, good afternoon, this
>> verify you have the ... 2 arrivals, Boston
>> P: ...
>> C: Roger
>> C: Blue Ridge 521 contact Bradley approach 1 2 5 point 8
>> P: 2 5 8 approach 521
>> P: ... Center, is Swissair 127
>> C: Swissair 127, go ahead
>> P: Uh, yes sir, I don't know what it was, but, it was-- it, it
>> just overflew, like, like a couple of hundred feet above us,
>> /(another voice)/ I don't know if it was a rocket or
>> whatever, but incredibly fast, uh, opposite direction.
>> C: In the opposite direction?
>> P: Yes sir, and the time was, was-- 2107. It was, it was too
>> fast to be an aeroplane.
>> C: OK. Thank you.
>> V2: Danbury Con... 31
>> V2: Danbury--
>> V3: Uh, hi there, USAir 8900, uh, 300 knots greater assign,
>> Northwest 550 not to exceed 300 knots.
>> V2: OK
>> (2 voices) normal speed
>> C: USAir 986 Boston Center ... maintain flight over 1 8 0
>> P: ... 1 8 0, yes sir, 986
>> C: USAir 986, you see anything, uh, like a missile in your
>> area, perhaps off to your right?
>> P: Take a good look, but I don't think, if it's goin' that
>> fast, I probably won't get a chance. We just saw Swissair
>> go by a moment ago.
>> C: OK. Thanks. Eagle Flight 934, contact Boston Center 1 3 3
>> point 4 2.
>> P: 33 42, we'll see ya 934
>> P: And, uh, Swissair 127, we had no T-CAS warning, it was, it
>> was way too fast, I guess.
>> C: Swiss 127, thank you.
>> P: ... (overlap)
>> V1: Kennedy, uh, Danbury 30
>> V2: Yes
>> V1: Hey, d'you see now that Swissair, about, uh, 2-1/2 minutes
>> ago, said, uh, somethin' like a rocket or somethin' went
>> over, a couple hundred feet over him, opposite direction,
>> goin' too fast to be a plane.
>> V2: Whoa! Alrighty!
>> V3: How far above him was it?
>> V2: OK!
>> V1: Wonder how much, I--
>> V1: He said 2, 3, 400 feet above him, was the thing.
>> P: Yeah, all I can tell, uh, 127, is that the three of us saw
>> a, a white, uh, object, uh, it was white, and very fast.
>> C: Swissair 127, thank you.
>> C: Delta 1840 contact Boston Center 1 3 3 point 4 2.
>> P: 33 42, Delta 1840.
>> C: USAir 986 turn left heading 0 2 0 joining victor 487 north
>> of Bridgeport.
>> P: USAir ... join up ... victor 487 ... USAir 986.
>> C: Swissair 127 clear direct Providence west route unchanged
>> P: (muffled) Providence... Swissair 127
>> C: Swissair 127, reduce speed to 3 0 0, now, uh, next sector's
>> P: OK, seems like, 300 with uh, 127.
>> C: Swissair 127, contact Boston Center 1 3 3 point 4 2.
>> P: 3 3 42, have a good night.
>> C: Thanks
>> P: (muffled)
>> C: That's 2 at once.... USAir 8900,.. 2 4 0
>> P: USAir 8900
>> C: USAir 8900, Boston Center, roger, who else called?
>> P: And, Northwest 550 at, uh, 2 4 0.
>> C: Northwest 550, Boston Center, roger.
>> C: Northwest 550, did you see anything, uh, similar to a
>> missile, or a UFO, /another voice/ uh, in your vicinity?
>> Maybe, uh, about 3 minutes ago?
>> P: I was just getting ready to ask you if you heard that
>> report, uh, we haven't seen anything. Northwest 550.
>> C: OK. USAir 8900, er, you didn't see anything either?
>> P: We saw nothing. 8900.
>> C: OK.
>> ----- (There's no more about the object on the tape. --WBW)
>> Subject: NTSB Report on SWISS-AIR incident from Aug. 9, 97
>> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:13:29 -0800
>> From: Kenny Young <task@...>
>> To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@...
>> This is the NTSB report on the August 9, 1997 Swiss-Air incident
>> in which the pilots reported a suspected UFO. This report was
>> just recently posted on the NTSB Aviation Accident statistics
>> web page.
>> NTSB Identification: NYC97SA193. The docket is stored in the
>> (offline) NTSB Imaging System.
>> Scheduled 14 CFR 129 operation of SWISSAIR TRANSPORT CO. LTD
>> (D.B.A. SWISSAIR)
>> Incident occurred AUG-09-97 at NEW YORK, NY
>> Aircraft: Boeing 747-300, registration: HBIGF
>> Injuries: 3 Uninjured.
>> On August 9, 1997, about 1707 eastern daylight time, the flight
>> crew of a Boeing 747-300, Swiss registration HB-IGF, and
>> operated by Swissair as flight 127, reported an unusual sighting
>> while in cruise flight at 23,000 feet (FL230) over New York, New
>> The airplane was not damaged, and there were no injuries to the
>> occupants. Flight 127 which had departed from Philadelphia
>> International Airport, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, was conducted
>> under 14 CFR Part 129, and was operated in visual meteorological
>> conditions on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight plan.
>> Flight 127 was en-route to Boston, Massachusetts when the
>> sighting was made.
>> According to a report from a Safety Board Air Traffic Control
>> "Swiss Air 127 was in contact with the Danbury Sector of the
>> Boston ARTCC at Flight Level 230. Voice communications with
>> Swiss Air 127 were of a routine nature until 2107 UTC, when the
>> flight transmitted, '...sir, I don't know what it was, but it
>> just over flew like a couple of hundred feet above us. I don't
>> know if it was a rocket or whatever, but incredibly fast,
>> opposite direction.'
>> The controller asked, 'In the opposite direction?' Swiss Air 127
>> replied, 'yes sir, and the time was 2107, it was too fast to be
>> an airplane.'
>> The controller then asked another flight, Eastern 986 if they
>> saw anything like a missile in the area, 'perhaps off your
>> They replied that they would take a good look, but 'didn't think
>> that if it's going that fast they probably won't get a chance.
>> They had just seen Swiss Air go by a little bit ago.' "
>> "Swiss Air 127 then reported that they had no warning, & that
>> the object was going way too fast. The controller then asked how
>> far above Swiss Air 127 it was. Swiss Air 127 replied, 'it was
>> right over us, right above, opposite direction, and, and I don't
>> know, 2,3,4 hundred feet above. All that I can tell, 127, is
>> that the three of us saw a light object, it was white, and very
>> "The flight was then cleared direct to Providence, and told to
>> reduce speed to 300 knots before contacting the next sector."
>> Interviews were conducted with the captain and first officer on
>> August 10, 1997. The flight engineer had not observed the object
>> and was not interviewed. The captain reported:
>> The flight was abeam of John F. Kennedy Airport, Jamaica, New
>> York, at 2106, and proceeding direct to RAALF intersection when
>> the event occurred.
>> The captain was making a public address to the passengers in the
>> cabin when he looked ahead and saw a white object.
>> He saw it for less than a second, and the only movement he could
>> discern was opposite his flight track. He did not observe any
>> wings, and was not sure it was an aircraft. He thought it was
>> cylindrical in shape. He had never been so close to other
>> traffic before. He was not certain whether it was stationary or
>> was moving opposite of the flight. It passed over the cockpit,
>> slightly right of centerline. If it had been any lower, it would
>> have hit the aircraft.
>> As the object passed by, there was no noise, no wake turbulence,
>> and no disruption or anomalies with any of the flight or engine
>> At the time of the event, the airplane was flying on a heading
>> of 060 degrees, at 340 KIAS, at FL230. It was clear with cumulus
>> nimbus clouds to the west. The sun was behind them. There was no
>> TCAS warning.
>> In addition, there was no exhaust or smoke, no fire, and he
>> could not accurately discern its size. The captain reported his
>> total time as 15,000 + flight hours. He had never seen a missile
>> in flight.
>> The first officer reported: The flight was cruising at FL230.
>> The captain was making a PA to the cabin. The first officer was
>> putting on his headset, and bent over to adjust the volume. As
>> he looked up he saw the object. It passed overhead very quickly.
>> It was close enough that he ducked his head because he thought
>> it would hit them He said it was white and had a round shape.
>> There was no smoke or fire visible from the object.
>> He thought it passed about 100 to 200 feet above the airplane
>> and between the right side of the fuselage and the number 3
>> There was no drift, and it appeared to be flying exactly
>> opposite of the aircraft. No actual movement was discerned, and
>> no markings were visible.
>> The object appeared to be the size of a thumbnail held at an
>> arms length. The engine indications were steady, and the
>> visibility was unlimited. The sun was behind the airplane.
>> The first officer reported that he had previously encountered a
>> weather balloon over Italy, and the object did not look like the
>> The first officer reported his total time as 7,500 hours, all
>> civil. He has seen missile shoots from the ground.
>> A check with a Safety Board meteorologist revealed the
>> WEATHER BALLOONS
>> * Weather balloons are launched twice a day.
>> * The normal times are 1100 UTC, and 2300 UTC. plus or minus 15
>> * The time to reach 23,000 feet is normally about 25 to 28
>> minutes. Sounding balloons are light tan or brownish in color.
>> * PIBAL (used for wind observations) and Ceiling Balloons are
>> black and red in color.
>> * The closest launch point to the JFK was Upton, New York, about
>> 43 NM east of JFK on a bearing of 085 magnetic.
>> A check of winds aloft data from Upton, New York, revealed the
>> Date Time Altitude Velocity Direction Temperature 9 Aug 12Z 500
>> MB 35 kts 350 degrees -14 C 10 Aug 12Z 500 MB 15 kts 360 degrees
>> -12 C 9 Aug 00Z 400 MB 20 kts 330 degrees -22 C 10 Aug 00Z 400
>> MB 20 kts 330 degrees -22 C Radar data was supplied by the
>> Boston Air Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), in the NTAP format.
>> The data contained both secondary targets (beacon), and primary
>> targets (non-beacon).
>> The data was plotted and Swissiar Flight 127 was identified.
>> There was no evidence of an opposite direction target, either
>> beacon or non-beacon.
>> UFO Research
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