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  • Jose Garrido
    ... De: A.U.R.A. Para: ufonet@onelist.com Data: Domingo, 7 de Março de 1999 11:25 Assunto: [ufonet] Re: Swissair
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      De: A.U.R.A. <aura@...>
      Para: ufonet@onelist.com <ufonet@onelist.com>
      Data: Domingo, 7 de Mar�o de 1999 11:25
      Assunto: [ufonet] Re: Swissair Liner's CE With 'UFO' Off NYC '97


      >From: "A.U.R.A." <aura@...>
      >
      >>
      >> Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 12:53:34 -0300
      >> From: Donald Ledger <dledger@...>
      >> To: updates@...
      >> Subject: Re: Swissair Liner's CE With 'UFO' Off NYC '97
      >>
      >> >Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 22:40:48 +0100
      >> >From: Gerhard Eickenhorst <ehs@...>
      >> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@...>
      >> >Subject: Re: Swissair Liner's CE With 'UFO' Off NYC '97
      >>
      >> >Hello from Switzerland,
      >>
      >> >Swissair has or never had 737 planes. As a formal Swissair
      >> >technician I think I should tell you. I think Stephen Thorne was
      >> >thinking of a 747.
      >>
      >> >>Swissair Flight 127 was cruising at 23,000 feet on Aug. 9, 1997,
      >> >>when the pilot interrupted an address to passengers to report
      >> >>the near miss by a round white object, says a report by the U.S.
      >> >>National Transportation Safety Board.
      >> >
      >> >Cheers,
      >> >Gerhard
      >>
      >> Gerhard is right. The aircraft in question was a 747-300. This
      >> incident was looked into a couple of years ago by many on the
      >> List. Below is a tower transcript supplied in its entirety, at
      >> the time, by Bill Weitzel. Following that is the FAA's
      >> explanation of the event as forwarded by Kenny Young at the
      >> time. Sorry for the length.
      >>
      >> Don Ledger
      >>
      >> *************
      >>
      >> This portion of the re-recording concerns communications at the
      >> Danbury Center, Sector #20, Radar Associate Position, during the
      >> time period 2102 C.U.T., to 2119 C.U.T., on August 9th, 1997.
      >>
      >> C: --- 35 20 contact Boston Center 1 3 3 point 4 2
      >> P: 1 3 3 4 2 ... 35 20
      >> C: Air Shuttle 52 95, contact Boston Center 1 3 3 point 4 2
      >> P: 3 4 2
      >> P: Good afternoon, Boston Center, Eagle Flight 934 1 3 ...
      >> C: Eagle Flight 934, Boston Center ... altimeter is 3 0 1 1
      >> ... acknowledge
      >> P: Acknowledge 934 thanks
      >> P: Eagle Flight 935 ... 1 7 17
      >> C: Eagle Flight 935 Boston Center climber maintain ... 2 1 0
      >> P: 2 1 0 Eagle Flight 935
      >> P: Boston Blue Ridge 521 leaving 14,500 for 1 2000
      >> C: Blue Ridge 521 Boston Center ... 7 0 3 0 1 1
      >> P: 3 0 1 1 Blue Ridge, uh, 521
      >> C: Eagle Flight 935 contact Boston Center 1 2 5 point 5 7
      >> P: 25 57 Eagle Flight 935
      >> P: Afternoon, Boston, Delta 1840 ... 14 5, for 1 7000
      >> C: Delta 1840 Boston Center ... maintain ... 2 1 0 ... direct
      >> Providence westward unchanged.
      >> P: 2 1 0 direct Providence and thank you, Delta 1840
      >> (4 phone tones, rings once, pause, same 4 tones, ring)
      >> C: Maintain 1 1000
      >> P: (faint voice) ... 1 1000 ...
      >> P: Boston, good afternoon, Swissair 127 heading(?) 2 3 0
      >> C: Swissair 127 heading(?), Boston Center, good afternoon, this
      >> verify you have the ... 2 arrivals, Boston
      >> P: ...
      >> C: Roger
      >> C: Blue Ridge 521 contact Bradley approach 1 2 5 point 8
      >> P: 2 5 8 approach 521
      >> P: ... Center, is Swissair 127
      >> C: Swissair 127, go ahead
      >> P: Uh, yes sir, I don't know what it was, but, it was-- it, it
      >> just overflew, like, like a couple of hundred feet above us,
      >> /(another voice)/ I don't know if it was a rocket or
      >> whatever, but incredibly fast, uh, opposite direction.
      >> C: In the opposite direction?
      >> P: Yes sir, and the time was, was-- 2107. It was, it was too
      >> fast to be an aeroplane.
      >> C: OK. Thank you.
      >> V2: Danbury Con... 31
      >> (beep)
      >> V2: Danbury--
      >> V3: Uh, hi there, USAir 8900, uh, 300 knots greater assign,
      >> Northwest 550 not to exceed 300 knots.
      >> V2: OK
      >> (2 voices) normal speed
      >> (beep)
      >> C: USAir 986 Boston Center ... maintain flight over 1 8 0
      >> P: ... 1 8 0, yes sir, 986
      >> C: USAir 986, you see anything, uh, like a missile in your
      >> area, perhaps off to your right?
      >> P: Take a good look, but I don't think, if it's goin' that
      >> fast, I probably won't get a chance. We just saw Swissair
      >> go by a moment ago.
      >> C: OK. Thanks. Eagle Flight 934, contact Boston Center 1 3 3
      >> point 4 2.
      >> P: 33 42, we'll see ya 934
      >> P: And, uh, Swissair 127, we had no T-CAS warning, it was, it
      >> was way too fast, I guess.
      >> C: Swiss 127, thank you.
      >> P: ... (overlap)
      >> (beep)
      >> V1: Kennedy, uh, Danbury 30
      >> V2: Yes
      >> V1: Hey, d'you see now that Swissair, about, uh, 2-1/2 minutes
      >> ago, said, uh, somethin' like a rocket or somethin' went
      >> over, a couple hundred feet over him, opposite direction,
      >> goin' too fast to be a plane.
      >> V2: Whoa! Alrighty!
      >> V3: How far above him was it?
      >> V2: OK!
      >> V1: Wonder how much, I--
      >> V1: He said 2, 3, 400 feet above him, was the thing.
      >> (beep)
      >> P: Yeah, all I can tell, uh, 127, is that the three of us saw
      >> a, a white, uh, object, uh, it was white, and very fast.
      >> C: Swissair 127, thank you.
      >> C: Delta 1840 contact Boston Center 1 3 3 point 4 2.
      >> P: 33 42, Delta 1840.
      >> C: USAir 986 turn left heading 0 2 0 joining victor 487 north
      >> of Bridgeport.
      >> P: USAir ... join up ... victor 487 ... USAir 986.
      >> C: Swissair 127 clear direct Providence west route unchanged
      >> P: (muffled) Providence... Swissair 127
      >> C: Swissair 127, reduce speed to 3 0 0, now, uh, next sector's
      >> request.
      >> P: OK, seems like, 300 with uh, 127.
      >> C: Swissair 127, contact Boston Center 1 3 3 point 4 2.
      >> P: 3 3 42, have a good night.
      >> C: Thanks
      >> P: (muffled)
      >> C: That's 2 at once.... USAir 8900,.. 2 4 0
      >> P: USAir 8900
      >> C: USAir 8900, Boston Center, roger, who else called?
      >> P: And, Northwest 550 at, uh, 2 4 0.
      >> C: Northwest 550, Boston Center, roger.
      >> C: Northwest 550, did you see anything, uh, similar to a
      >> missile, or a UFO, /another voice/ uh, in your vicinity?
      >> Maybe, uh, about 3 minutes ago?
      >>
      >> P: I was just getting ready to ask you if you heard that
      >> report, uh, we haven't seen anything. Northwest 550.
      >> C: OK. USAir 8900, er, you didn't see anything either?
      >> P: We saw nothing. 8900.
      >> C: OK.
      >>
      >> ----- (There's no more about the object on the tape. --WBW)
      >>
      >> Subject: NTSB Report on SWISS-AIR incident from Aug. 9, 97
      >> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:13:29 -0800
      >> From: Kenny Young <task@...>
      >> To: CURRENT-ENCOUNTERS@...
      >>
      >> This is the NTSB report on the August 9, 1997 Swiss-Air incident
      >> in which the pilots reported a suspected UFO. This report was
      >> just recently posted on the NTSB Aviation Accident statistics
      >> web page.
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> NTSB Identification: NYC97SA193. The docket is stored in the
      >> (offline) NTSB Imaging System.
      >>
      >> Scheduled 14 CFR 129 operation of SWISSAIR TRANSPORT CO. LTD
      >> (D.B.A. SWISSAIR)
      >>
      >> Incident occurred AUG-09-97 at NEW YORK, NY
      >> Aircraft: Boeing 747-300, registration: HBIGF
      >> Injuries: 3 Uninjured.
      >>
      >> On August 9, 1997, about 1707 eastern daylight time, the flight
      >> crew of a Boeing 747-300, Swiss registration HB-IGF, and
      >> operated by Swissair as flight 127, reported an unusual sighting
      >> while in cruise flight at 23,000 feet (FL230) over New York, New
      >> York.
      >>
      >> The airplane was not damaged, and there were no injuries to the
      >> occupants. Flight 127 which had departed from Philadelphia
      >> International Airport, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, was conducted
      >> under 14 CFR Part 129, and was operated in visual meteorological
      >> conditions on an instrument flight rules (IFR) flight plan.
      >> Flight 127 was en-route to Boston, Massachusetts when the
      >> sighting was made.
      >>
      >> According to a report from a Safety Board Air Traffic Control
      >> investigator:
      >>
      >> "Swiss Air 127 was in contact with the Danbury Sector of the
      >> Boston ARTCC at Flight Level 230. Voice communications with
      >> Swiss Air 127 were of a routine nature until 2107 UTC, when the
      >> flight transmitted, '...sir, I don't know what it was, but it
      >> just over flew like a couple of hundred feet above us. I don't
      >> know if it was a rocket or whatever, but incredibly fast,
      >> opposite direction.'
      >>
      >> The controller asked, 'In the opposite direction?' Swiss Air 127
      >> replied, 'yes sir, and the time was 2107, it was too fast to be
      >> an airplane.'
      >>
      >> The controller then asked another flight, Eastern 986 if they
      >> saw anything like a missile in the area, 'perhaps off your
      >> right.'
      >>
      >> They replied that they would take a good look, but 'didn't think
      >> that if it's going that fast they probably won't get a chance.
      >> They had just seen Swiss Air go by a little bit ago.' "
      >>
      >> "Swiss Air 127 then reported that they had no warning, & that
      >> the object was going way too fast. The controller then asked how
      >> far above Swiss Air 127 it was. Swiss Air 127 replied, 'it was
      >> right over us, right above, opposite direction, and, and I don't
      >> know, 2,3,4 hundred feet above. All that I can tell, 127, is
      >> that the three of us saw a light object, it was white, and very
      >> fast.'"
      >>
      >> "The flight was then cleared direct to Providence, and told to
      >> reduce speed to 300 knots before contacting the next sector."
      >>
      >> Interviews were conducted with the captain and first officer on
      >> August 10, 1997. The flight engineer had not observed the object
      >> and was not interviewed. The captain reported:
      >>
      >> The flight was abeam of John F. Kennedy Airport, Jamaica, New
      >> York, at 2106, and proceeding direct to RAALF intersection when
      >> the event occurred.
      >>
      >> The captain was making a public address to the passengers in the
      >> cabin when he looked ahead and saw a white object.
      >>
      >> He saw it for less than a second, and the only movement he could
      >> discern was opposite his flight track. He did not observe any
      >> wings, and was not sure it was an aircraft. He thought it was
      >> cylindrical in shape. He had never been so close to other
      >> traffic before. He was not certain whether it was stationary or
      >> was moving opposite of the flight. It passed over the cockpit,
      >> slightly right of centerline. If it had been any lower, it would
      >> have hit the aircraft.
      >>
      >> As the object passed by, there was no noise, no wake turbulence,
      >> and no disruption or anomalies with any of the flight or engine
      >> instruments.
      >>
      >> At the time of the event, the airplane was flying on a heading
      >> of 060 degrees, at 340 KIAS, at FL230. It was clear with cumulus
      >> nimbus clouds to the west. The sun was behind them. There was no
      >> TCAS warning.
      >>
      >> In addition, there was no exhaust or smoke, no fire, and he
      >> could not accurately discern its size. The captain reported his
      >> total time as 15,000 + flight hours. He had never seen a missile
      >> in flight.
      >>
      >> The first officer reported: The flight was cruising at FL230.
      >> The captain was making a PA to the cabin. The first officer was
      >> putting on his headset, and bent over to adjust the volume. As
      >> he looked up he saw the object. It passed overhead very quickly.
      >> It was close enough that he ducked his head because he thought
      >> it would hit them He said it was white and had a round shape.
      >> There was no smoke or fire visible from the object.
      >>
      >> He thought it passed about 100 to 200 feet above the airplane
      >> and between the right side of the fuselage and the number 3
      >> engine.
      >>
      >> There was no drift, and it appeared to be flying exactly
      >> opposite of the aircraft. No actual movement was discerned, and
      >> no markings were visible.
      >>
      >> The object appeared to be the size of a thumbnail held at an
      >> arms length. The engine indications were steady, and the
      >> visibility was unlimited. The sun was behind the airplane.
      >>
      >> The first officer reported that he had previously encountered a
      >> weather balloon over Italy, and the object did not look like the
      >> balloon.
      >>
      >> The first officer reported his total time as 7,500 hours, all
      >> civil. He has seen missile shoots from the ground.
      >>
      >> A check with a Safety Board meteorologist revealed the
      >> following:
      >>
      >> WEATHER BALLOONS
      >>
      >> * Weather balloons are launched twice a day.
      >>
      >> * The normal times are 1100 UTC, and 2300 UTC. plus or minus 15
      >> minutes.
      >>
      >> * The time to reach 23,000 feet is normally about 25 to 28
      >> minutes. Sounding balloons are light tan or brownish in color.
      >>
      >> * PIBAL (used for wind observations) and Ceiling Balloons are
      >> black and red in color.
      >>
      >> * The closest launch point to the JFK was Upton, New York, about
      >> 43 NM east of JFK on a bearing of 085 magnetic.
      >>
      >> A check of winds aloft data from Upton, New York, revealed the
      >> following:
      >>
      >> Date Time Altitude Velocity Direction Temperature 9 Aug 12Z 500
      >> MB 35 kts 350 degrees -14 C 10 Aug 12Z 500 MB 15 kts 360 degrees
      >> -12 C 9 Aug 00Z 400 MB 20 kts 330 degrees -22 C 10 Aug 00Z 400
      >> MB 20 kts 330 degrees -22 C Radar data was supplied by the
      >> Boston Air Traffic Control Center (ARTCC), in the NTAP format.
      >>
      >> The data contained both secondary targets (beacon), and primary
      >> targets (non-beacon).
      >>
      >> The data was plotted and Swissiar Flight 127 was identified.
      >>
      >> There was no evidence of an opposite direction target, either
      >> beacon or non-beacon.
      >>
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