Philadelphia Experiment: Aliens, Time-Travel and Wormholes Interview, Al
written by Al Bielek
Posted Sun, 6-Sep-1992 16:00:00 GMT
Aliens, Time-Travel and Wormholes Interview: Al Bielek
INTERVIEW: Al Bielek Conducted by Susanne Konicov
from CONNECTING LINK Issue 19
I have heard Al Bielek speak on the "Philadelphia Experiment " at several
expos over the last two years. The material he presents is both astounding
and appalling! Last September, at the Los Angeles Whole Life Expo, Al
consented to do an interview for Connecting Link.
First you will read Alls account of the years leading up to the
"Philadelphia Experiment. " Then, for the first time in any magazine, Al
shares further information on other, less known experiments that continue to
this day. Experiments that took place, and apparently, still do, at Montauk,
Alfred Bielek was born on August 4, 1916 as Edward A. Cameron II, son of
Alexander Duncan Cameron, Sr.
My father (Alexander Duncan Cameron, Sr.) enlisted in the U.S. Navy prior to
the U.S. entry into World War 1. He sired me and later A. Duncan Cameron,
Jr. (May 1917), by different mothers.
Both Duncan and 1, as half-brothers, were raised largely by Aunt Arnold in
the Big House, still in West Islip, Long Island (father remained in the Navy
until 1930, when he was retired with a pension). Since there was no lack of
money (due to the Arnold/Constable Department Store fortune), Duncan Jr. and
I (upon completion of high school) attended different universities. I went
first to Princeton, and later to Harvard, obtaining a Ph.D. in physics.
Duncan attended the University of Edinborough (Edinborough, Scotland), also
obtaining a Ph.D. in physics, in the summer of 1939.
In September of 1939, both Duncan and I enlisted in the U.S. Navy-taking
commissions as Lt. (J.G.) and then attending a 90-day training school for
"Special Assignment" Navy personnel at Providence, Rhode Island.
With completion of training, we were both assigned to the Institute of
Advanced Study (Princeton, N.J.) and directly to the ongoing "Project
With a completely successful test in 1940 (Brooklyn Navy Yard), the project
was classified and renamed "Project Rainbow." Offices were set up in the
Philadelphia Navy Yard. Duncan and I both shuttled back and forth between
Philadelphia and Princeton.
In January 1941, we were sent to sea for sea duty on the U.S.S.
Pennsylvania. We toured the Pacific until October 194 1, when the
Pennsylvania was put in dry dock at Pearl Harbor. After taking leave in San
Francisco and remaining there through December 1941, we were returned to the
Institute early in January 1942. We worked on the project through
1942-Nikola Tesla dropped out in March 1942, and Dr. John Von Neumann took
over at that time.
Duncan and I remained with the Project through the two tests in 1943 with
the "Eldridge." The second test, August 12, 1943, was a total disaster, with
many casualties and with Duncan disappearing permanently.
I remained with the Navy and married in late 1943. A son, Jess, was bom in
February 1944. In July 1944, the family and I were transferred to Los
Alamos, New Mexico, where I remained until July 2, 1947. At that time I was
forcibly removed and separated from my family-never to see them again.
With charges of espionage placed against me, I expected a General Court
Marshal. Instead I was transferred to Washington, D. C., whereupon charges
were dropped and I was transferred to Montauk, L.I. military base (Fort
Hero). From that point I was time shifted to 1983, back in the Phoenix
Project. Once there, I was given a super brainwashing-all memory was
removed. Additionally, I was age regressed (reduction of physical age and
size from a 30-year old to approximately I year of age) and then, at a
physical age of I year, sent back in time to 1927 to be plugged into a new
family as a substitute for a dead son. This new family- the Bieleks- became
my only known parents for over half a century!
With the advent of World War II, I was drafted into the Navy in 1945 (a
second tour) as a seaman until 1946. After separating from the service, I
tried a business venture (it failed) and went on to college (1949-1950) in
Newark, New Jersey, and later to UCLA. A career followed as an electronic
engineer (1958-1988), with retirement in 1988.
With the retum of my memories, in May 1986, of the Phoenix Project and of
the Philadelphia Experiment (Project Rainbow) in January 1988, 1 have
engaged in extensive lecturing and writing on the subject of The
Philadelphia Experiment, its ramifications and the follow-on Project
Phoenix, and the incredible consequences of the lockup through time.
CONNECTING LINK: Tell me about the Phoenix Project.
AL BIELEK. I'll deal with the final phase of the Phoenix Project and some of
the aspects involved. I joined the project in 1953 as Al Bielek. I did what
the book The Montauk Project points out, the computer interface between
the psychic chair used to steer the time tunnels in the final phase of the
operations. Those earlier phases were very difficult-they didn't work right
and they had many problems. But, I became involved as Al Bielek. Preston
Nichols became involved as Preston Nichols, and Duncan Cameron became
involved as Duncan Cameron, in his second body, not remembering anything
about his involvement with the Philadelphia Experiment.
The project generated the time tunnels. People were able to travel in time
and space and they did. But they also had other projects going on at
Montauk. We still don't know all of them.
The technology for the tunnels was given to us by cooperative effort of
alien groups, primarily the Orion group, which involved reptilians, a sub
group called the Leverons. A technical group which provided most of the
assistance, was the group from Sirius A. Very materialistic, scientific,
people. Perhaps not a bad heart but misdirected, because they had very
long-term contracts with the Orions to provide them with the technical
knowledge and assistance they needed. And they were working with our
govenment in secret to work out mindcontrol techniques and technology and
pushing for a highly automated, technical society which would be much easier
to control than it would be the way it is now. But we're approaching that
Also there were a lot of little greys that got underfoot. There were other
groups there who took no part in the project, but were there as observersand
the group from Antares, very human, very happy, jovial people. You couldn't
tell them from a human spirit. In fact, I don't think you could anatomically
either. Why they were there, I don't know. They didn't do anything. They
But the aliens provided the expertise, the hardware. They convened it from
their computer data to IBM 360. That still didn't work and that's when other
changes were made. I became heavily involved in making the time tunnel
system work. It was alien technology. We did not have the theory. We did
have the capability, the technological expertise to build the hardware, and
we did, to their specifications.
ITT was a contractor. This was all under "Black Card" clearance level, which
is about the highest level of clearance there is, and most people don't even
know it exists. And this means, in essence, that it is such a deep Black
Hole project that all the records, everything connected with it, is buried
in a black vault and nobody has access to this without having the proper
clearance and a need to know. This includes purchasing departments who buy
the hardware for these projects. The records for the sales, purchase,
everything, buried in the black vault. So nobody can find it. This is why
they call it a Black Hole project. There are many, many of these. This is
one of them.
The tunnels became fully operational about '77 after many changes. About '79
on they got all the results they wanted. Until August 12,1983, at night,
when the project was deliberately crashed. Sabotaged from the inside. That's
covered in the book. But prior to that what they did was unbelievable.
One of the uses of the Phoenix Project, in the use of Time Tunnels, was to
provide backup to the Martian Colonies. The Martian Colonies have been there
since the early '70s. We went publicly to the moon in 1969. Actually the
Germans were there in 1947. And we were there in 1962 with a joint
U.S.-Russian expedition. They went to Mars, May 22, 1962. The movie,
Altenative 3, done by Anglia Television, April 1, 1977, which is available
in the underground, outlines it completely. It shows the actual
transmission. The color shots by TV back from Mars, as this Explorer moved
and landed. We have colonies there in Mars from the late '60's or maybe
early '70's onward. They found many artifacts there. There is more than one
wrecked city. And of course the famous face on Mars, the Pyramids and that
whole complex that Hoagland (Dr. Richard] has talked about and gone public
on. There are two videos on this plus his book.
What they found on the surface indicated there was much more there that they
could not find that was buried. And they had not brought with them, and did
not have the capabilities of heavy earth-moving equipment on Mars at that
time. They didn't have any Cats. Big tractors and that sort of stuff.
They were too heavy to bring up.
So, a request went by radio back to Earth, "We believe there are underground
installations here. We've seen openings that are sealed. Can you guys down
there tell us what to do?" Well, the information went to Montauk, to the
Phoenix Project. And they sent back information, "Well, give us some
coordinates on the surface of Mars where you think these locations are." And
they did. And they said, "We'll investigate it." And they did. Because they
could go anyplace with the tunnel, they went to Mars to the coordinates.
And first they didn't send anybody. They ran a tunnel into what they thought
might be an underground area and rather than risk killing anybody by burying
them in solid rock, they sent a camera, a remote-view camera. We found out
there was an actual cavern and it was safe and then Montauk sent people.
Duncan and I were in that crew. The first crew that went, directed by
Montauk to explore the underground of Mars. It's not mentioned in the book
who went, but we went. And there were probably others. We went several
times. We found all kinds of artifacts. We found a still functional
underground lighting system, a power system. We found it and turned it on
and it still worked. No evidence of life. A lot of artifacts, files,
records, religious artifacts, statuary, all stored like it was a store room.
A huge store room.
CL: Was the written material in English?
AB: No. It was in another language. It was not English. Duncan was able to
translate some of it. I saw it, but I was not able to translate it. And a
lot of the records and stuff were brought back. And eventually Duncan and I
decided to take some clandestine trips on our own. (After one trip is made,
it's all recorded. All the coordinates and information which are required to
operate the system is recorded on magnetic tape. And you can take this tape,
plug it into the computer, and without going through the psychic and the
chair number*, you can open the tunnel to the same location because the
computer contains all the celestial data-all the Earth movements, solar
system movements, all in the computer-so that there is complete reference to
the new location where the planet would be. And "plug" the tunnel in exactly
the same location.) So we went twice on our own for our own little
CL: And no one was manning the machine for you back home?
AB: We tumed the equipment on,
we knew how to do it. And nobody was there. On the second trip, we were
discovered because, there are automatic recorders that tell how many times
this equipment is used, and for what purpose, and what dates, times and so
forth. Automatic complete time, event recorders. So we were caught when we
came back. We were pulled off the project and slapped on the wrist. "You're
not going to do that anymore," and one of the people who was involved, a
senior scientist, broke our team up. Duncan and I didn't do much of anything
together after that but further explorations were made by others. What they
found, we don't know.
Certain people had been chosen in advance, such as myself and Duncan and
Preston to be part of this program. And the level of brainwashing varied.
Duncan was heavily programmed, brainwashed to do what he did there because
he was not being used for his technical expertise. I was brainwashed to some
extent, and Preston, very heavily.
But we were all given what you'd call the debriefing after this whole
project crashed and was formally declared over on January 1, 1984. We all
got our debriefings which means your mind was erased of everything you ever
did on the project. And they hoped it would hold indefinitely.
It didn't. The reason it did not hold indefinitely was because the site was
not destroyed. It's still there. It was tumed over to New York State Parks
Commission on January I of 1986 or sometime in January of 1986 to become
part of the park that already exists out there. The State has never torn
anything up. They've never tom a building down. They've never opened it up
as a park.
They knocked the fences down so people can go through there and hike and
camp if they want, during the day. They cannot stay ovenight without a
special permit from Montauk Township. That's not allowed and the park
rangers go in to shuttle them out.
But the property remains unconverted. Going in there, as I did, first in
August of '85 by the invite of Preston (I took Duncan with me), none of us
knew, at that time, that we had been part of the Montauk Project. Preston,
as a surplus electronics dealer, had been out there salvaging equipment
previous to this trip in August.
CL: That's where the book, The Montauk Project starts.
AB: Right. And he didn't know that he had been involved. He had no
recollection. This August trip [Preston] took us out and said "You're both
sensitives. Let's see what you pick up when we go out there." He says, "I
know you've never been there before." He didn't know, honestly, at that
point. So we went out and we sensed these terrible vibes on the base, that
something awful had been going on there. We sensed this monster, who showed
up at the end of the story, that helped in the process of the destruction of
They [Preston and Duncan] of course, had the advantage, being as I was only
visiting, and went back to Phoenix. They were there in repeatedly, and they
became aware of their involvement in the project much earlier then I did.
I went back [to Montauk] in May of '86 and made another visit along with a
group from Phoenix sponsored by, I believe, Senator Barry Goldwater. Because
I told this group, whom I knew from December of '85, about the project and
they came out to make an investigation of possible diversion of federal
funds from a regular federal project to an illegal project. They were
looking for proof. And that was their modus operandi, their reason for
getting passes from the State of New York, from the Parks Commission, to go
on the base, into locked buildings. There were still some locked. And find
what proof, if any, as to whether this was a diversionary project using
We know now no federal money was involved. Major investigations have proven
this. But in the process we took a lot of pictures, and in that same visit
that time of May '86 my memory of Montauk started to come backbecause I was
visiting the site, the scene of the crime, if you will.
CL: And it was acting as the trigger.
AB: This was the trigger. The same for Duncan, same for Preston. So my
memories came back. I knew then I was part of it. And they've been coming
back ever since because it doesn't all come back at once in a rush.
It comes back in chunks and pieces, depending upon what the triggers are
that bring it back. But once you've punched a hole through the wall, it's
like the finger in the dike. The hole starts expanding and it keeps
expanding and eventually it will all come through.
So I knew, finally, I was heavily involved at an administrative and
engineering level in many projects. Duncan was involved in more than one
Preston was the technical station master after Matthew Zaret. Professor
Zaret was removed in 1980. Really, he left at my suggestion, but they
wouldn't let him loose, so he went to the parallel project at Brentwood,
Long Island, where he died. Preston took over as the technical director,
doing all of the management. He designed and built all of the RF
transmitters and pulse modulator systems-anything dealing with RF and
transmitters he is an expert at. And that was his expertise and his normal
working job, as he was employed by an aerospace company in Long Island for
fifteen years until he was fired two summers ago. He was fired but they
covered it. It was because he knew too much and talked too much in the open,
had recovered too many of his memories and was talking about information at
the USPA [United States Psychotronic Association] conferences, more than
once, which the govemment didn't want made public. So they pulled his
clearance first, and then they canned him in July of '90 while at a USPA
conference. He came back to no job, He was told, "You're finished, pick up
your stuff and leave." And his boss didn't even know why. His boss didn't
fire him. It was govemment manipulation.
He was an expert at designing transmitters, high-power transmitters, for
radar, for whatever. In this case, the Montauk Project, for the final stages
of a special Amplitron, which is shown in the book-there is a photo of it.
It was designed and built specially for the project by Raytheon Electric in
Goleta, Califomia. I remember going out there to approve the first
shipment of tubes. They were very, very expensive and specially built. They
cost several million dollars apiece. They ordered thousands. So you can see
why the cost of this project went out of sight. Capacitors for the
pulse-forming networks and the modulator were also specially designed to
very rigid specifications. They finally got somebody to build them. And
everybody in the industry except one tumed them down. They finally were able
to build them to the specifications, and they sold them to the govemment in
matched sets of fifty at the very small sum of twenty-five thousand dollars
for each and every capacitor. And they had a hundred on each station. A full
set of fifty for two transmitters, operational, and a full set of spares. So
that was two and a half million dollars right theretimes 25 stations!
They ran out of gold. (The project was begun with 10 billion dollars in g
old. The story of the gold is documented in the book Nazi Gold.) They ran
out of money. So ITT picked up the tab.
CL: And all this technology was from the alien groups?
AB: They had cooperation from the ET's. See, they had a crashed UFO which
was deliberately crashed, by agreement with Hitler, by a certain group of
Pleiadians. It was loaded with technology. And the reason for crashing it
was that the German High Command, if they were pushed, could say, "Yeah we
found a crashed saucer in the Bavarian Alps" or some such place, "and we
recovered it, took it apart and analyzed the technology."
It certainly wasn't made public. But the remains of that craft were found
near Peenemunde after the war was over. This was the rocket testing base for
the Germans and where Wernher Von Braun operated along with his crew. When
the war was over, he deliberately moved his group to the west, to the
Americans. And another group was captured by the Russians, including, I
believe, his professor, Herman Oberth. Of course that is where the Russians
got a head start on rocketry over the U. S. -they had the professor who
taught Wernher Von Braun!
There may have been someone else because the Russians captured quite a
number of intelligencia out of Germany when Berlin came under their control.
So the war actually received a huge boost, technologically from the
Pleiadians. So far as deals are concerned, Roosevelt made the first one in
the U.S. in 1934, not with the
Pleiadians, who offered to help the U.S. get out of the doldrums of the huge
depression we were in, but he chose a different group for whatever personal
reasons we don't know. Called the K Group or the Kondroshkin. It tums out,
so far as I can determine today, they are the bluegreys. Not the little
greys, but a larger group called the blue-greys.
In any case, he made his deal with them. They made an offer to provide a
whole new technological base for the United States atomic energy in 1938.
Roosevelt at first approved and then he tumed it down because the military
told him, "Uh uh. We can't control it from beginning to end. We don't know
what they are going to do with it and how they may manipulate us in the
end." So they [the K-Group] disappeared in the woodwork.
In 1943 came the Philadelphia Experiment and the lock-up with the Phoenix
Project, ripping a huge hole in space-time. This was deliberately done by
the aliens at the '83 end to put a rift in the fabric of space-time so large
numbers of aliens and ships could come through. They all had time travel
capabilities, but the rift was needed to get the large ships through and
make a mass invasion of the United States, and later Europe, of aliens
(primarily greys) and other types. When they landed at Edwards Air Force
Base in the Muroc Dry Lake as well as another air baseI'm leaving a lot of
details out-the govemment already knew all about the aliens being on this
planet. [They knew] since 1887 with the first investigating commission under
In any case, they knew that they were here, but then they came en masse. We
were confronted by a technology that we couldn't counter, we couldn't handle
it, we didn't know what to do about it. So the agreement with Eisenhower and
his advisors was to sign a treaty with them, a noninterference treaty and
get what technology we could from them-make some kind of agreement. We'd buy
time and see what we could do about it later.
That was the basis of the agreement Because of that, very large numbers of
aliens came in and eventually became part of the Phoenix Project. They were
planning ahead. We didn't know what they were up to. And I'm looking at this
in retrospect, not what we knew then. They were planning ahead. They knew
what they were doing. They maneuvered and manipulated the Phoenix Project.
They did not expect it to crash then. I am sure they anticipate its
continuing for another decade, at least into the '90's.
However, because certain people suddenly, if you will pardon the expression,
"saw the light," got religion, or whatever it is that hit them, Duncan, and
a few others, conspired to destroy the station. And the reason for it was
that they were fed up with what they saw as all the evils perpetrated there.
I knew about it. I decided that I would not be part of the destructive plot.
I said, "Yes, there is a lot wrong here, but we've already straightened a
lot of the mess out and we can straighten out the rest and continue this as
a research tool," as John
VonNeumann (who is still alive today by the way) wanted. He said, "It's a
research tool; we need it." Because of the time travel (remote viewing)
capabilities, he saw things coming in the future which could cause very
serious threats to the United States and the World.
But, these people had their way. They put a special implant into Duncan's
head so that when we, as the original Duncan Cameron and myself as Edward
Cameron, came through from the Philadelphia Experiment and went through the
station (for twelve hours) we were retumed to the Elderidge; then the
Elderidge retumed to '43. At that point, that phase was over and it
completed the time loop.
Then the word went out, "Now is the time" and Duncan released this thing
from his subconscious into the machine. The transmitter (which already by
that time had its own personality) created this big monster, solidly in 3-D,
twelve to fifteen feet high and [it] literally came out of the subconscious.
It went around smashing buildings and people and it was discovered trying to
break into the radar tower. The tower was much too strong for it to break
into. The only way to stop it was to destroy the transmitter, and that's
what was done. And it faded out into some other reality. It was photographed
in May of 1986.
But the final chapter on Montauk was not written. We discovered a month ago
[Aug., 1992) that Montauk was reactivated. And that's what I wanted to get
in here. We do not know who is doing it. We have seen the evidence. New coax
cable runs, new power transformers being put in on the power substation. The
new ones are labeled "non PCB." Because now the law is that transformers can
no longer be filled with PCB as a cooling agent: if they blow up or break
open it's an extreme hazard to the environment. So they use an
environmentally safe coolant-a different form of liquid in the transformers
and they have big labels on them that say non-PCB. I have pictures of this,
from my trip a month ago. There are new coax cable runs around the base
which are brand new.
The radar tower now has a new steel door where it used to be wide open and
you could walk in. They put a new steel door in with double padlocks so you
can't get in . The back garage entrance door for trucks and delivering heavy
stuff is now sealed from the inside. And we found other evidence that shows
that it's being reactivated.
Preston has been approached by the govemment to become the director of the
New Montauk project, And they told him they also want Duncan as part of it.
There are new workers there. There are new entrances to the underground. One
person we know has been through the outer door and there is an inner locked
door with a red light on it. You, have to have special access badges or
you'll be stopped.
We did not attempt to go in because we didn't feel we wanted to risk it. And
we do not know where the project may go, but we suspect that one of the
goals is to extend the time rift ('43 to '83) onward to '93 because '93 is a
subnode point in the 20-year cycle, and August, '93 will be a very critical
area again and they probably want the station activated before August of
'93. That's what we feel technically they are up to. But what the end
purpose is for we are not sure. It may be to extend the time tunnel, that
is, the time rift, for purposes of their own.
There are a lot of things on this project we don't know. Some of the things
they used it for we still don't know. We have never had access to the
classified records of Lincoln Labs at M.I.T. (Cambridge, MA).
They have not been able to take Duncan and myself out because of the fact
that we help hold the whole time rift stable. It will stabilize itself by
the year 2003 unless they reopen it. Then you have another can of worms to
They just don't realize what risks they are running in reopening that thing.
The rift was stabilized in '63, or this North American continent would now
be under salt water. Not from the year 2000, but it would have been in 1963.
There was a special project created, now well covered, to restabilize the
reverse time wave which would have hit the forward one in '63 at the node
point and wrecked this continent.
It was due to the fact that they had this time rift, and because it was
unstable in the way it was generated (like a standing wave in an RF
transmission line). You may not understand RF theory, but you get a reverse
wave in an unterminated or improperly terminated line. Time is a wave as
well. You can have a forward time wave and you can have a reverse time wave.
If the two of equal amplitude hit each other at a node point, which is the
earth synchronization point, like August 12th, 1963, they can be extremely
disruptive, physically, to the physical structure of the earth.
And being that this project took place in the United States, on Long island,
those who looked at it in theory said it would have caused an extreme
disruption of geological matter, pulling it out of the earth, in the North
American Continent. It would have wound up wrecking the tectonic plates, and
the North American continent, other than the mountains, would have wound up
under salt water-500 to 700 feet of it by estimate.
It didn't happen, obviously-we're here. The '63 project, "Atlanticus Not
Revisited," was successful in damping that reverse time wave. This is an
area of science and technology and physics which most people know nothing
We hope that if the project is revived that it will be used properly rather
than improperly as it was in the past, though there were some very good uses
for the Montauk Project. In a larger view, it might be better left buried.
Only time will tell what will happen, and whether or not I will play any
part with it. They have not asked me. They don't want to. All we can do is
hope for the best for the future and that the mistakes of the past will be
understood and that somehow the future will come out the better for it in
spite of the problems we know we face.
Connecting Link carries Al Bielek Workshop (2 tapes), "The Philadelph
For speaking and professional engagements, contact
Mr. Bielek at P.O. Box 44932, Phoenix, AZ, 85064.
 The Montauk Project - Experiments in Time, Preston B. Nichols with Peter
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