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  • Norio Hayakawa
    Dulce, New Mexico Revisited - Mysteries Still Remain!! by Norio Hayakawa March 28, 2007 DULCE, NEW MEXICO - On Sunday, March 25, I finally arrived at
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      Dulce, New Mexico Revisited - Mysteries Still Remain!!

      by Norio Hayakawa March 28, 2007

      DULCE, NEW MEXICO - On Sunday, March 25, I finally arrived at Dulce,
      New Mexico once again, after more than 17 years. It was a long drive
      from Los Angeles but it was definitely a worthwhile trip. The last
      time that I was at this "mysterious" little town was in March of 1990.

      I will never forget that 1990 visit when I first brought a Japanese TV
      crew, incredible as it may sound, to document an alleged existence of
      an "underground U.S./alien joint bio-lab" which was rumored to exist
      deep under the Archuleta Mesa, adjacent to Dulce. While interviewing
      many Jicarilla Apache locals on the street at that visit, we were
      inexplicably detained by the then Police Chief, Hoyt Velarde and kept
      at his office for almost an hour and a half, during which time he had
      meticulously taken down our personal info, i.e., our ID's, driver's
      licence numbers and, in my case, even my Soc. Sec. number, if I recall
      correctly. It was a shock to us then. We had asked him if we were
      doing anything illegal by interviewing the people, the question to
      which he never responded. I clearly remember that just before he
      released us, he told us in a rather warning tone: "Don't you ever ask
      any more questions regarding such a base. I have nothing to do with
      it and I do not want to talk about it!" An enigmatic answer, indeed.
      That was in March of 1990.

      Now here I am once again, in Dulce. It brought me back lots of
      memories of 1990. However, this time, as soon as I drove in to Dulce,
      I immediately noticed that it had completely changed since 1990.
      It seems to have grown quite a lot, not so much in terms of
      population, but in terms of its physical appearance. There are now so
      many new buildings, large and small and many modern local community
      facilites - a brand new Middle School, a brand new High School, a
      new Students' Athletic Complex, brand new Police and Maintenance
      Center, a modern Emergency Medical Service facility, and on the south
      side, a brand new Student's Residential Complex, and, of course, a
      newly refurbished Best Western Hotel, all in the small community of
      less than 3500 residents.
      Yes, it has been many years, so it would seem natural for some growth
      to take place. However, the question I began to think was where did
      all the funds for all these developments come from? Certainly, not
      just from revenue from natural resources (oil and gas) and a small
      casino. And, especially, for such a tiny town?

      When I interviewed the locals in 1990, I clearly remember that almost
      every one of them had testified to us that in the late 70's and the
      early 80's, they had frequently observed strange lights in the sky,
      especially flying over and around, and even appearing to disappear
      into the sides of the Mesa. They even testified to us that they also
      frequently observed military helicopters over Dulce, along with
      reports of cattle mutilations in the ranches nearby. Those were the
      things we heard back then when we were in Dulce in 1990.

      To my great surprise, sightings still seem to continue in and around
      Dulce, even now!!
      Even recent sightings of what many describe as "Bigfoot" along the
      Navajo River is also a fairly new topic of conversation in Dulce now.

      I was so fortunate this time to personally get to know a friendly
      family who lives in the northwest area of the town. I had gotten to
      know the husband while I was attending the UFO syposium in Aztec the
      weekend before. During my three days of stay in Dulce this time, I
      have obtained many new, fascinating sighting reports from many locals
      again, particularly from the family that I just mentioned and their
      relatives.

      On my second day of stay in Dulce, this family invited me to their
      residence for a great meal. They had also invited their relatives who
      were willing to describe to me in detail many strange experiences they
      have had and even are having now.
      It was assuring to know that the family that I befriended were
      immediate relatives of high officials of the Jicarilla Apache tribe.
      The husband was a son of the former head of the Police Department (way
      before Hoyt Velarde). His wife is an immediate family of the head of
      the Jicarilla Apache tribal council. His sister-in-law has been a
      Dulce Police dispatcher. For this reason, I will refrain from naming
      any individuals to protect their privacy.

      My friend's wife told me of a fairly recent incident whereby a huge,
      silent delta-shaped dark object emitting extremely bright lights
      slowly passed over a group of 50 to 75 (all their relatives) on a mesa
      where they were celebrating a traditional Jicarilla Apache feast
      called the "coming out" feast, a "puberty" celebration for young boys
      and girls (similar to the Spanish quincenera celebration). The huge
      object appeared after sundown, an hour or so after their traditional
      meals had ended and after the shamans had completed their chantings
      and dances. They were simply stunned to see the huge triangular
      'craft' hovering only about 100 feet above the campground. The entire
      area lit up like daylight. What was more amazing was that after a few
      minutes of hovering over the area, it suddenly took off with a
      tremendous gust of wind. Pots and pans were flying all over. Some of
      the people were almost thrown off their vehicles. Fortunately, no one
      was injured. Panic spread. The generators failed to re-start and all
      battery-operated appliances malfunctioned, including the car radios.

      Another recent incident they recounted was a daytime sighting of a
      silver, saucer-shaped object at around 11 a.m., which hovered for 30
      minutes right next to Hwy 537, not too far from the junction of U.S.
      64, north of La Jara Lake.

      One relative also recounted a recent, unforgettable sighting of a
      huge, flying "triangle" near Hwy 537, near J-30 (Jicrailla Road, #30),
      with some type of a "cloaking device" that almost appeared to have a
      transparent body. The object was described to have been close to
      half-a-mile in length!!

      The biggest and most impressive sighting, however, took place in May
      of 2004 when several families were celebrating together the feast on a
      Jicarilla Apache campground, located at an area near J-33 and J-40,
      right near the Continental Divide. Incredibly, it involved hundreds
      (not just one or two objects) of brilliant objects in the night sky.
      It literally filled up the entire sky, according to the testimony of
      the former Dulce police dispatcher. There were close to 100 witnesses
      to this incredible incident. Some even said that there were probably
      close to several hundred objects in the night sky. They moved en
      masse slowly from one end of the sky to the other. It was literally
      an "armada" of UFOs (which exactly reminded me of the famous,
      well-documented 1950 mass sightings of UFOs over Farmington, near the
      Four Corners ara of New Mexico).
      What was particularly fascinating about this sighting was that
      everyone also saw a small fleet of military helicopters which seemed
      to follow the objects. Again, car radios went dead all through the
      sighting.

      An interesting point is that many of the appearances of UFOs seem to
      coincide with various feasts taking place in the Jicarilla Apache
      reservation. Were 'they' attracted to the Jicarilla feasts?

      Last but not the least of the impressive Dulce sightings involved a
      Jicarilla Apache Forerst Service ranger who witnessed a 'craft' of
      some kind enter the east side of the Archuleta Mesa through several
      large rocks that appeared to open (almost like a door) and in went the
      craft into the side of the mesa. He excitedly reported this sighting
      live on his microphone while he was communicating on his radio with
      the Forest Service station across the south side of Dulce. The ranger
      was stationed at the top of the Archuleta Mesa in the look-out
      building next to the radio communications tower. This took place a
      few years after a big fire destroyed many of the trees on and around
      the mesa. (What is still strange about the aftermath of the fire,
      which they say happened about 10 years ago, is the fact that all
      attempts for the re-forestation have so far failed on and around the
      Archuleta Mesa. They just don't seem to grow, for some strange reason
      or other.

      What is my conclusion to all these recent sightings in Dulce? These
      were all first-hand eyewitnesses to the events. Without doubt, I
      cannot help but believe that they all saw what they described to have
      seen. Either that or they all believe in their minds that they
      really saw what they said they saw. There is no other explanation.

      Lastly, while in Dulce, the son of the former head of the Dulce Police
      Department took me to the site of Project Gasbuggy. Project Gasbuggy
      was a rather 'strange' 1967 government project which involved a large
      underground nuclear explosion (29 kilotons of TNT) deep inside the
      high plateau area 25 miles south of Dulce, allegedly to release
      natural gas from deep under the ground. It was a joint project with
      El Paso Natural Gas Company. Is it possible that the huge nuclear
      explosion had created, deep, huge underground extensive caverns all
      over the area along with extensive natural "tunnels"?

      What this has to do with the ongoing sightings of not only "UFOs" but
      also alleged sightings of "entities" (including fairly recent
      sightings of alleged 'Bigfoot' along the Navajo River near Dulce) I
      haven't the faintest idea. We may not necessarily be talking about
      purely physical phenomena but somehow intertwined with it could be
      some form of mass psychological phenomenon or even some form of yet
      unknown "interdimensional" occurrances. It's anyone's guess.

      But, of course, we cannot rule out any prosaic answers. One theory
      is that the town of Dulce is benefitting financially by allegedly
      covering up the dumping of nuclear waste materials (from Los Alamos
      and elsewhere) into the underground cavities under Dulce and its
      neighboring areas and have created the entire Dulce "underground base"
      story as a cover story!

      Whatever the case may be, it is simply fascinating!! And it is still
      ongoing in the "mysterious" town of Dulce, New Mexico!!

      P.S.

      By the way, here is what I have been able to gather so far on Hoyt
      Velarde, former Police Chief of Dulce, New Mexico - an interesting
      background:

      Hoyt Velarde - available public information
      http://www.hometown.aol.com/area51watch/page8.html

      -----
      Norio Hayakawa
      Area51watch@...


      CIVILIAN INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS
      http://www.hometown.aol.com/groom51s4
    • Lamont
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        Would you like to repeat this posting on the Seti UNIVERSE UFO
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        --- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, "Norio Hayakawa" <groom51s4@...> wrote:
        >
        > Dulce, New Mexico Revisited - Mysteries Still Remain!!
        >
        > by Norio Hayakawa March 28, 2007
        >
        > DULCE, NEW MEXICO - On Sunday, March 25, I finally arrived at
        Dulce,
        > New Mexico once again, after more than 17 years. It was a long
        drive
        > from Los Angeles but it was definitely a worthwhile trip. The last
        > time that I was at this "mysterious" little town was in March of
        1990.
        >
        > I will never forget that 1990 visit when I first brought a Japanese
        TV
        > crew, incredible as it may sound, to document an alleged existence
        of
        > an "underground U.S./alien joint bio-lab" which was rumored to exist
        > deep under the Archuleta Mesa, adjacent to Dulce. While
        interviewing
        > many Jicarilla Apache locals on the street at that visit, we were
        > inexplicably detained by the then Police Chief, Hoyt Velarde and
        kept
        > at his office for almost an hour and a half, during which time he
        had
        > meticulously taken down our personal info, i.e., our ID's, driver's
        > licence numbers and, in my case, even my Soc. Sec. number, if I
        recall
        > correctly. It was a shock to us then. We had asked him if we were
        > doing anything illegal by interviewing the people, the question to
        > which he never responded. I clearly remember that just before he
        > released us, he told us in a rather warning tone: "Don't you ever
        ask
        > any more questions regarding such a base. I have nothing to do with
        > it and I do not want to talk about it!" An enigmatic answer,
        indeed.
        > That was in March of 1990.
        >
        > Now here I am once again, in Dulce. It brought me back lots of
        > memories of 1990. However, this time, as soon as I drove in to
        Dulce,
        > I immediately noticed that it had completely changed since 1990.
        > It seems to have grown quite a lot, not so much in terms of
        > population, but in terms of its physical appearance. There are now
        so
        > many new buildings, large and small and many modern local community
        > facilites - a brand new Middle School, a brand new High School, a
        > new Students' Athletic Complex, brand new Police and Maintenance
        > Center, a modern Emergency Medical Service facility, and on the
        south
        > side, a brand new Student's Residential Complex, and, of course, a
        > newly refurbished Best Western Hotel, all in the small community of
        > less than 3500 residents.
        > Yes, it has been many years, so it would seem natural for some
        growth
        > to take place. However, the question I began to think was where did
        > all the funds for all these developments come from? Certainly, not
        > just from revenue from natural resources (oil and gas) and a small
        > casino. And, especially, for such a tiny town?
        >
        > When I interviewed the locals in 1990, I clearly remember that
        almost
        > every one of them had testified to us that in the late 70's and the
        > early 80's, they had frequently observed strange lights in the sky,
        > especially flying over and around, and even appearing to disappear
        > into the sides of the Mesa. They even testified to us that they
        also
        > frequently observed military helicopters over Dulce, along with
        > reports of cattle mutilations in the ranches nearby. Those were the
        > things we heard back then when we were in Dulce in 1990.
        >
        > To my great surprise, sightings still seem to continue in and around
        > Dulce, even now!!
        > Even recent sightings of what many describe as "Bigfoot" along the
        > Navajo River is also a fairly new topic of conversation in Dulce
        now.
        >
        > I was so fortunate this time to personally get to know a friendly
        > family who lives in the northwest area of the town. I had gotten to
        > know the husband while I was attending the UFO syposium in Aztec the
        > weekend before. During my three days of stay in Dulce this time, I
        > have obtained many new, fascinating sighting reports from many
        locals
        > again, particularly from the family that I just mentioned and their
        > relatives.
        >
        > On my second day of stay in Dulce, this family invited me to their
        > residence for a great meal. They had also invited their relatives
        who
        > were willing to describe to me in detail many strange experiences
        they
        > have had and even are having now.
        > It was assuring to know that the family that I befriended were
        > immediate relatives of high officials of the Jicarilla Apache
        tribe.
        > The husband was a son of the former head of the Police Department
        (way
        > before Hoyt Velarde). His wife is an immediate family of the head
        of
        > the Jicarilla Apache tribal council. His sister-in-law has been a
        > Dulce Police dispatcher. For this reason, I will refrain from
        naming
        > any individuals to protect their privacy.
        >
        > My friend's wife told me of a fairly recent incident whereby a huge,
        > silent delta-shaped dark object emitting extremely bright lights
        > slowly passed over a group of 50 to 75 (all their relatives) on a
        mesa
        > where they were celebrating a traditional Jicarilla Apache feast
        > called the "coming out" feast, a "puberty" celebration for young
        boys
        > and girls (similar to the Spanish quincenera celebration). The huge
        > object appeared after sundown, an hour or so after their traditional
        > meals had ended and after the shamans had completed their chantings
        > and dances. They were simply stunned to see the huge triangular
        > 'craft' hovering only about 100 feet above the campground. The
        entire
        > area lit up like daylight. What was more amazing was that after a
        few
        > minutes of hovering over the area, it suddenly took off with a
        > tremendous gust of wind. Pots and pans were flying all over. Some
        of
        > the people were almost thrown off their vehicles. Fortunately, no
        one
        > was injured. Panic spread. The generators failed to re-start and
        all
        > battery-operated appliances malfunctioned, including the car radios.
        >
        > Another recent incident they recounted was a daytime sighting of a
        > silver, saucer-shaped object at around 11 a.m., which hovered for 30
        > minutes right next to Hwy 537, not too far from the junction of U.S.
        > 64, north of La Jara Lake.
        >
        > One relative also recounted a recent, unforgettable sighting of a
        > huge, flying "triangle" near Hwy 537, near J-30 (Jicrailla Road,
        #30),
        > with some type of a "cloaking device" that almost appeared to have a
        > transparent body. The object was described to have been close to
        > half-a-mile in length!!
        >
        > The biggest and most impressive sighting, however, took place in May
        > of 2004 when several families were celebrating together the feast
        on a
        > Jicarilla Apache campground, located at an area near J-33 and J-40,
        > right near the Continental Divide. Incredibly, it involved hundreds
        > (not just one or two objects) of brilliant objects in the night
        sky.
        > It literally filled up the entire sky, according to the testimony of
        > the former Dulce police dispatcher. There were close to 100
        witnesses
        > to this incredible incident. Some even said that there were
        probably
        > close to several hundred objects in the night sky. They moved en
        > masse slowly from one end of the sky to the other. It was literally
        > an "armada" of UFOs (which exactly reminded me of the famous,
        > well-documented 1950 mass sightings of UFOs over Farmington, near
        the
        > Four Corners ara of New Mexico).
        > What was particularly fascinating about this sighting was that
        > everyone also saw a small fleet of military helicopters which seemed
        > to follow the objects. Again, car radios went dead all through the
        > sighting.
        >
        > An interesting point is that many of the appearances of UFOs seem to
        > coincide with various feasts taking place in the Jicarilla Apache
        > reservation. Were 'they' attracted to the Jicarilla feasts?
        >
        > Last but not the least of the impressive Dulce sightings involved a
        > Jicarilla Apache Forerst Service ranger who witnessed a 'craft' of
        > some kind enter the east side of the Archuleta Mesa through several
        > large rocks that appeared to open (almost like a door) and in went
        the
        > craft into the side of the mesa. He excitedly reported this
        sighting
        > live on his microphone while he was communicating on his radio with
        > the Forest Service station across the south side of Dulce. The
        ranger
        > was stationed at the top of the Archuleta Mesa in the look-out
        > building next to the radio communications tower. This took place a
        > few years after a big fire destroyed many of the trees on and around
        > the mesa. (What is still strange about the aftermath of the fire,
        > which they say happened about 10 years ago, is the fact that all
        > attempts for the re-forestation have so far failed on and around the
        > Archuleta Mesa. They just don't seem to grow, for some strange
        reason
        > or other.
        >
        > What is my conclusion to all these recent sightings in Dulce? These
        > were all first-hand eyewitnesses to the events. Without doubt, I
        > cannot help but believe that they all saw what they described to
        have
        > seen. Either that or they all believe in their minds that they
        > really saw what they said they saw. There is no other explanation.
        >
        > Lastly, while in Dulce, the son of the former head of the Dulce
        Police
        > Department took me to the site of Project Gasbuggy. Project
        Gasbuggy
        > was a rather 'strange' 1967 government project which involved a
        large
        > underground nuclear explosion (29 kilotons of TNT) deep inside the
        > high plateau area 25 miles south of Dulce, allegedly to release
        > natural gas from deep under the ground. It was a joint project with
        > El Paso Natural Gas Company. Is it possible that the huge nuclear
        > explosion had created, deep, huge underground extensive caverns all
        > over the area along with extensive natural "tunnels"?
        >
        > What this has to do with the ongoing sightings of not only "UFOs"
        but
        > also alleged sightings of "entities" (including fairly recent
        > sightings of alleged 'Bigfoot' along the Navajo River near Dulce) I
        > haven't the faintest idea. We may not necessarily be talking about
        > purely physical phenomena but somehow intertwined with it could be
        > some form of mass psychological phenomenon or even some form of yet
        > unknown "interdimensional" occurrances. It's anyone's guess.
        >
        > But, of course, we cannot rule out any prosaic answers. One theory
        > is that the town of Dulce is benefitting financially by allegedly
        > covering up the dumping of nuclear waste materials (from Los Alamos
        > and elsewhere) into the underground cavities under Dulce and its
        > neighboring areas and have created the entire Dulce "underground
        base"
        > story as a cover story!
        >
        > Whatever the case may be, it is simply fascinating!! And it is
        still
        > ongoing in the "mysterious" town of Dulce, New Mexico!!
        >
        > P.S.
        >
        > By the way, here is what I have been able to gather so far on Hoyt
        > Velarde, former Police Chief of Dulce, New Mexico - an interesting
        > background:
        >
        > Hoyt Velarde - available public information
        > http://www.hometown.aol.com/area51watch/page8.html
        >
        > -----
        > Norio Hayakawa
        > Area51watch@...
        >
        >
        > CIVILIAN INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS
        > http://www.hometown.aol.com/groom51s4
        >
      • Norio Hayakawa
        ... Thanks so much, Lamont. I just e-mailed to you. Yes, I would very much like for you to share my article with everyone. This is for the public. Thanks, so
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          --- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, "Lamont" <lamont16y701w@...> wrote:
          >
          > Would you like to repeat this posting on the Seti UNIVERSE UFO
          > Forum? Our readers would like to it. www.setiuniverse.com
          >

          Thanks so much, Lamont.
          I just e-mailed to you.
          Yes, I would very much like for you to share my article with everyone.
          This is for the public.
          Thanks, so much, Lamont!
          -from Norio
        • Lamont Washington
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            --- Norio Hayakawa <groom51s4@...> wrote:

            > --- In ufonet@yahoogroups.com, "Lamont"
            > <lamont16y701w@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > Would you like to repeat this posting on the Seti
            > UNIVERSE UFO
            > > Forum? Our readers would like to it.
            > www.setiuniverse.com
            > >
            >
            > Thanks so much, Lamont.
            > I just e-mailed to you.
            > Yes, I would very much like for you to share my
            > article with everyone.
            > This is for the public.
            > Thanks, so much, Lamont!
            > -from Norio
            >
            >


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