Fwd: UFO UpDate: Revised FLIR Translation With Concise Time Codes
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From: John <johnvelez.aic@...>
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:46:05 -0400
Subject: Revised FLIR Translation With Concise Time Codes
This is a revised (final) version of the Translation. It
includes much tighter time coding for any one who may wish to
follow along with the audio portion of the recording. I also
made a few corrections. (ie; I changed all of the 'Smile'
comments throughout the document.)
Respectfully submitted for your edification.
Regards to All,
For Bruce Maccabee on behalf of Jaime Maussan,
Santiago Yturria and myself.
English Translation Of Audio From The Flir Video Recording
Aboard A Mexican Air Force Merlin C26A During A UFO Incident
Date: March 5, 2004
Location: In air space over the City of Carmen, State of Campeche
Translation by Santiago Yturria with assistance on final draft
from John Velez.
Note: Voice identification, below, does not correspond to the
same crew members in every segment. Voices are labelled in
order of appearance in each segment.
[The C26A is patrolling known drug smuggling flight
FLIR VIDEO TIME: (Hour/Min/Sec) 12:55:09 to 12:55:29
VOICE A: Do you have the lagoon in sight?
VOICE B: Yes it is to the right.
VOICE A: We get to the lagoon and we'll do that.
VOICE B: To the right?
VOICE A: Yes.
VOICE B: And we go back to the point, or do we move away?
VOICE A: We move away, that is, we make a pattern more or less
like an arc.
VOICE B: Okay.
FLIR VIDEO TIME: 13:16:22 to 13:16:33
FLIR VIDEO TIME: 16:42:44 to 16:43:30
VOICE A: Almost to 12 of our position, distance, 2.9, speed, 75.
VOICE B: Pan more to the left because of the sun.
VOICE C: Yes.
VOICE B: Pan to the left
VOICE A: Okay I see it.
VOICE A: The runway is here at one
VOICE C: Where are you?
VOICE A: Ehhh, at 12 of our position, 2.3.
VOICE B: A runway
Encounter with the UFOs begins:
[Unknown traffic appears. The crew begins to take
action. They report a target to the base which is
suspected to be a clandestine airplane.]
VOICE A: I'll tell you right away
VOICE B: A position?
VOICE C: A position.. 7- 4
VOICE A: At 12 of our position, I still have it there
VOICE D: A traffic
VOICE E: Can you get me the headquarters officer, Captain Danzon
to let him know that we are reading a target.
VOICE A: Point Carmen 18- 4
VOICE B: It's marking a speed of 206 and has a heading of 301
VOICE A: It's behind the clouds.
VOICE A: What could it have been?
VOICE B: Don't know. It went on the other side - exactly where I
[The FLIR operator trying to track the object through
VOICE A: Come, come.
VOICE B: Go.
VOICE A: Right, right.
VOICE B: Here it goes! Here it goes!!
VOICE B: There it goes... there it goes!
[The object is clearly visible on the FLIR. The crew
begins to wonder out loud about the unknown light.]
VOICE A: What is it Juarez? Juarez what is it?
VOICE B: It's a point.
VOICE C: A point. It's there.
VOICE D: It's there directly behind us.
VOICE C: Its correct, it's now at our 7 o'clock position at
10.5 miles distance.
VOICE C: It's course is, 2- 8- 3 with a speed of 3-3-4.
VOICE D: More.
VOICE A: At least we have contact with it on the FLIR and we've
had Radar contact all the time.
VOICE B: What's its altitude - more or less, boss?
VOICE A: I think it's at the same altitude as us.
VOICE B: Aahh.
VOICE C: The FLIR angle is... (recto) pointing straight ahead.
VOICE C: Exactly.
VOICE A: It's above us
VOICE C: That's right.
VOICE B: Ah, that's why you couldn't see it.
VOICE D: I'm almost losing it on the Radar, it's almost off the
VOICE B: Aahh.
VOICE A: .
VOICE C: It's exactly one mile from Carmen. From Carmen.
VOICE B: How many miles?
VOICE C: One or two miles from Carmen.
VOICE D: I don't have it on the screen but the Radar is still
marking the distance at 37 miles.
VOICE C: It's now over Carmen.
VOICE B: Well, then it's been lost.
VOICE D: Here it comes.
VOICE C: It's passing by Carmen.
VOICE D: It is still going.
VOICE D: What's it doing?
VOICE C: It's turning.
VOICE D: Is it turning right?
VOICE C: Yes.
VOICE A: Just a light. It couldn't be distinguished
VOICE B: It couldn't be determined if it was a plane or
VOICE C: It is the same one that we saw awhile ago.
VOICE D: Yes.
VOICE E: Paying attention, eh?
17:03:36 [Two objects appear]
VOICE A: Let me check.
VOICE B: At 7 at the same altitude.
VOICE C: There are some clouds, it must be seen over there.
VOICE D: [almost stuttering] That's it but, let's see, look for
that thing that is behind us.
VOICE E: Look how it appears. It looks like it's in two parts.
VOICE C: It is at our 7 or 8 o'clock position.
VOICE C: The strange thing is, that it has a point travelling in
front position. A little point, in front of it.
VOICE C: It's not there? There goes another one.
[More objects, in formation, appear in the FLIR. The
operator detects them and is moving the FLIR camera
backward to count them.]
VOICE F: Lets' see, what do we have here?
VOICE A: Nothing sir. Hold on, let me look.
VOICE C: Commander what's that?
VOICE F: At what distance did you have them, Tellez?
VOICE C: Ehh?
VOICE A: Hey, beware, this is like...
VOICE C: [Almost shouting] There are more coming.
There are more... they are behind. There are ten, eleven objects.
VOICE A: There are many objects.
VOICE F: Ehh?
VOICE C: They must be at 9 o'clock from our position now.
VOICE F: At 9. Hold on.
VOICE A: At 9, same altitude almost, almost.
VOICE F: Okay, hold on.
VOICE C: Affirmative. They're going.
VOICE C: They're going.
VOICE C: Go one..
VOICE A: One
VOICE C: They are going (referring to the 'Twins') with the
others bringing up the rear... the ones that follow.
VOICE F: My God, what's that.
VOICE B: They are (corretiendo) on the run. [nervous laughter]
VOICE F: What's that? Let's see. Try to focus.
VOICE C: It's at maximum.
VOICE F: Okay, don't let them leave you behind.
VOICE F: Okay.
VOICE C: Go.
VOICE F: Follow that one Tellez, don't leave it.
VOICE C: There they go, all of them, there are approximately
ten, did you see them? Have you seen them?
VOICE F: You follow them.
VOICE C: There they go.
VOICE A: There they go.
VOICE A: Three, four, five. six... Are there six?
VOICE F: Below or above? Above? Where.
VOICE C: In the middle, there they go, at the same altitude.
VOICE A: There they go look, one, two, three, four, five, six,
seven... no, there are eight.
VOICE F: This is terrible...
VOICE C. They are going to be seen better - there.
VOICE C: And they're going at a speed that...
VOICE C: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, I have eight
on the screen.
VOICE F: Follow them, don't lose them!
VOICE A: Are they at the same altitude, Tellez?
VOICE C: Affirmative. Above.
VOICE C: Eight, nine, ten, eleven, counting all the ones in the
VOICE C: Two, four, six, eight, ten, eleven.
VOICE F: [Apparently talking to the base]
Listen we don't know what are we seeing, they are
luminous objects that are flying at the same altitude
as us. We do not know what their distance is.
VOICE B: At what position do you have it, Tellez?
VOICE C: At 8.
VOICE F: At 8 or 9.
VOICE B: At 9. I don't think the Radar may read it, we have a
blind angle there, Sir.
VOICE F: At 8 or 9?
VOICE B: Yes.
VOICE B. We have 20 degrees of blind angle there.
VOICE F: But you were seeing them?
VOICE B: Yes, but it's strange, now I have nothing.
17:14:59 [One huge object is seen on the FLIR screen.]
VOICE A: [nervous giggle] Why are they following us? Maintain that.
VOICE B: They are at 12 he said.
VOICE C: No. They are at 1.
VOICE A: Well that's one, but we have another at 9.
VOICE D: We have one at 9.
VOICE B: Ah I have one here, let me check the one at 9.
VOICE D: And ahead there are another two.
VOICE A: And they're the same ones, eh?
VOICE D: We have them ahead - in the middle -and at 8
VOICE B: [Laughing] Ahh, fuck...
VOICE A: [Laughing] Fasten your seat belts!
VOICE D: Let's see...
VOICE B: [nervous laughter] Don't be frightened.
VOICE D: If you could check through the window, we have one
going along at approximately 1. The rest are still going
along at our 9.
VOICE A. Does that means we are surrounded?
VOICE D: Well... I don't know.
VOICE B: At what distance.
VOICE D: The radar just indicates the point.
17:15:40 [in a loud voice, as if making an announcement]
VOICE A: Boys, today is your lucky day!! [crew chuckles]
VOICE B: At what distance.
VOICE A. And that one is getting near to the other one.
VOICE D: Do you mark the distance?
VOICE B: Okay, the one that we have at 1 from our position, I have
it at 19 miles, at 1 o'clock from our position, going
at 52 knots.
VOICE D: The one that you have at 1, I have one at 9 and the one
that goes ahead of the one at 9. Approximately at 9,
but going along in front are two luminous points.
VOICE B: At what position, Tellez?
VOICE D: At 9 of our position.
VOICE B: At 9? Hold on, let me check...
17:16:33 [An object is seen on the screen near the airplane's
VOICE A: It's going along at our altitude - couldn't be.
VOICE B: The one that you have, what's it's position?
VOICE C: Which one? The one below the cloud? That one?
VOICE A: Yes.
VOICE C: Okay.
VOICE A: Roger.
VOICE B: That one you have there, what's it's position?
VOICE A: I have it at 9.
VOICE D: Boys...
VOICE B: We are not alone. [nervous giggle]
VOICE D: Yes, we are not alone, right. It's true. How strange
this is, they are surrounding us.
VOICE A: Hey the one that you have at 1?
VOICE B: At 1 I have it at 14.8 miles at 1 heading 99 with a group speed
VOICE A: Ah, that's the... he is following one and I'm following
the other one.
VOICE D: Okay
VOICE A: I mean the other one(s).
VOICE D: What is this?
VOICE E: Couldn't be a fucking plane - it's stopped there!
VOICE D: Ehh?
VOICE A: Do you have it in sight?
VOICE B: It looks so? lets get near.
17:17:39 [Esta parado]
VOICE E: It's stopped there!
VOICE B: It's stopped?
VOICE D: No but the one that we have at 9...
VOICE E: It's in the clouds.
VOICE D: The one that we have at 9 is following us, is in
formation with us, is in formation... at 9.
VOICE A: The one that you have at 1 where do you have it,
VOICE B: Hold on "Gene" I have it at... at 1.
17:18:15 [Hay uno que nos esta asercando]
VOICE A: There is one that is getting near to us.
VOICE B: At 1 of our position at 10 miles distance and speed of
17:26:30 [The FLIR is focusing an object that presents a pulsating
shape and a luminous form.]
[The pilot is apparently reporting this object to the
VOICE A: The Radar has them. The FLIR has them. We are seeing on
the FLIR a luminous object, it has an opposite course
to us but it doesn't leave us, it's two miles behind us.
VOICE A: It does not move apart from us, no, it doesn't move
apart from us.
VOICE A: Correct, who knows what it is.
VOICE A: Is it still with us, Marin?
VOICE B: Yes I still have it here.
VOICE A: Now it lost a bit of quality, I have a quality of 5.
VOICE B: Again look it looks...
VOICE A: The one that we had at 1 is lost now.
VOICE B: Okay.
VOICE A: It just left the Radar.
17:27:58 VOICE B: How weird is all this.
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> ------- Forwarded message -------Hello Frits Westra,
> From: John <johnvelez.aic@v...>
> To: ufoupdates@v...
> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:46:05 -0400
> Subject: Revised FLIR Translation With Concise Time Codes
> Hello All:
> This is a revised (final) version of the Translation. It
> includes much tighter time coding for any one who may wish to
> follow along with the audio portion of the recording. I also
> made a few corrections. (ie; I changed all of the 'Smile'
> comments throughout the document.)
> Respectfully submitted for your edification.
Please visit my investigation page:
Capt. ALejandro Franz
- Dear Capt. Franz,
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 06:17:19 -0000, Cap. P.A. Alejandro Franz
> Hello Frits Westra,
> Please visit my investigation page:
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