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  • Joe McGonagle
    Crosspost from UFO updates ... interests, ... refer ... a ... internet ... perceived. ... say ... or ... links. ... articles ... Solomon/Lassiter/Sheridan ...
    Message 1 of 3 , Jan 3, 2003
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      ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@...>
      > To: <ufoupdates@...>
      > Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:13:56 -0000
      > Subject: Re: Is Ufology Dead Or Just Dozing?
      >
      >
      > >From: Joe McGonagle <joe@...>
      > >To: <ufoupdates@...>
      > >Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 07:57:01 -0000
      > >Subject: >
      >
      > >There are a few things which I do like about the lecture
      > >circuits-the opportunity to meet people with similar
      interests,
      > >the opportunities (occasionally) to discuss specifics with a
      > >presenter, the knees up in the bar afterwards. I would hate to
      > >see all of these things totally supplanted by the internet.
      >
      > Yes, drinking after lectures can be fun, depending on the
      > company, the problem is, I prefer fruit juice to alcohol, and
      > that isn't often served in bars over here.
      >
      > >I can't speak for Jenny, but my understanding is that her
      > >remarks go deeper than just the effect of the internet; It
      > >includes the procedural and ethical attitudes of groups and
      > >individuals involved in UFO research, for example, the lack of
      > >standardisation, the total absence of a clear focal point for
      > >witnesses to report their sightings to or for the media to
      refer
      > >to.
      >
      > Jenny is quite passionate about this subject, but alas, new add
      > ons to ufology is always happening, I feel this is now the way
      > for ufology.
      >
      > >Personally, I was more interested in Jenny's suggetion towards
      a
      > >solution, which included harnessing the benefits of the
      internet
      > >to nurture a positive effect on ufology and how it is
      perceived.
      >
      > Humans are humans, not everyone will agree on everything, so I
      > feel that is a far overlooked piece of thinking, but I would
      say
      > that there is some general consensus on certain ufo matters.
      >
      > >I agree that there are some excellent sites out there covering
      > >ufology, but there is also a hell of a lot of inaccurate,
      > >outdated, and in some cases, totally unfounded articles. I am
      > >also possibly guilty of propogating false stories, not
      > >deliberately of course, but because I have forwarded a story
      or
      > >a link without thoroughly researching it.
      >
      > >While there are some excellent articles at your web site:
      >
      > >http://www.thelosthaven.co.uk
      >
      > Thank you, I have given some writers the space to let people
      > view their work, ideas, and thoughts on UFO research.
      >
      > >They are difficult to find amongst all of the commercial
      links.
      > >On the UFO page, you have a link marketing a Fortune Teller
      > >CD..... what sort of impression do you think this gives of
      > >ufology?
      >
      > It gives the impression that I sell CDs on my site? The
      articles
      > are very well read, my stats tell me this.
      >
      > >You also have a link to:
      >
      > >http://www.AngliaEarthMysteries.co.uk
      >
      > >You may be unaware, but the "owner" of AEM who goes under
      > >various names including Jack/Jac/Steve
      Solomon/Lassiter/Sheridan
      > >and combinations thereof is currently in legal dispute with
      the
      > >Norfolk UFO Society with regard to group assets and other
      > >matters. In fact, if you follow the link which is on your
      site:
      >
      > >http://www.angliaearthmysteries.co.uk
      >
      > >there is a brief statement about the matter there.
      >
      > I am probably not the only site with a link to this one, on the
      web.
      >
      > >Another UK site:
      >
      > >http://www.crowdedskies.com
      >
      > >by Roy Lake carries an article by Tony Dodd dated June 2002
      > >about the 1970 lightning crash, complete with a fake
      transcript
      > >of the in-flight conversation. This incident recently received
      a
      > >great deal of publicity both on the national media, and in the
      > >UK UFO magazine due to the release of the flight accident
      report
      > >by the MOD. The UFO connection has effectively been shown to
      be
      > >an outright hoax, but there is no mention of these details at
      > >the site. I am not suggesting that either Tony Dodd or Roy
      Lake
      > >were conscious parties to the hoax, but it is an example of an
      > >article with no foundation in reality (and it does raise a
      > >questionmark about Dodd's effectivness as an "Alien
      > >Investigator"....).
      >
      > Roy Lake is a good friend of mine, I have known roy for years,
      I
      > will pass this comment on to him, I feel I am unable to comment
      > on the issue you raise, perhaps roy will contact you, or even
      > Tony Dodd.
      >
      > >Yet another infamous UK case is covered at your other site:
      >
      > >http://freespace.virgin.net/roy.hale
      >
      > >which, incidentally, I think is much more professional looking
      > >than:
      >
      > >http://www.thelosthaven.co.uk
      >
      > The Virgin site has been defunct for some years, Virgin has
      been
      > asked to remove it several times, but to no avail.
      >
      > >the Sheffield Incident as put forward by convicted drug
      dealer,
      > >Max Burns. How someone like him can manipulate people into
      > >supporting him in spite of his lack of remorse for his crime
      > >astounds me! He is definitely one character that ufology would
      > >be better off without!
      >
      > Every good journalist prefers to meet the people on such
      issues,
      > I take it you did this on some occasion?
      >
      > >Please don't misunderstand me, I appreciate that operating
      such
      > >a web site soaks up a lot of time, money, and effort, and I
      > >wouldn't expect it to be perfect in every way, but perhaps you
      > >can see the point about how ufology is often misrepresented on
      > >the internet in such a way as to either confuse people about
      > >what ufology encompasses, or even scare them away from the
      > >topic! I quite like a lot of the content at your sites, there
      > >are far worse ones out there.....
      >
      > So what official body would you like to see set up, to make
      sure
      > that only the correct data, passed by another body, is seen?
      >
      > Roy..
      >
      >
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