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  • Frits Westra
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    Message 1 of 1 , Sep 27, 2002
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      Original Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:43:09 -0700

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      Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:34:32 -0700
      From: "Terry W. Colvin" <fortean1@...>
      Subject: FWD [fort] Roswell Crash Location, Dates


      Someone here last week - it may have been Brother Elliot - asked for specific
      dates as to the Roswell-area "UFO" events of July, 1947.

      This is not an easy question to answer, due to the fact that whatever happened
      at Roswell was dismissed as a hoax very soon after it transpired, and it was at
      least 35-40 additional years before serious investigations began.

      So presently there are four DIFFERENT proposed crash sites! Three are
      reasonably near to each other (and to Roswell) while the fourth is many miles
      west.

      This has lead to speculation that more than one "craft" crashed. But an
      equally-reasonable assumption would be that the "craft" exploded and/or broke
      apart in mid-air, with debris - and perhaps bodies - falling in more than one
      area.

      After this passage of time, it is equally difficult to establish an accurate
      timeline. These are the four main estimates:

      1. July 1-8, 1947;

      2. July 2-9, 1947;

      3. July 4-11, 1947;

      4. July 5-12, 1947.

      As will be noted, July 5, 6, 7 and 8 agree between the four date
      scenarios.

      My own observation here is that a genuine timeline must include July 2nd, when
      strange lights were seen over Roswell, and July 9th, when the retraction
      article
      appeared in the local newspaper.

      Sincerely,

      George Wagner

      --------------------------------

      Who knows how accurate the below is. - Br. Elliot
      < http://www.abcfield.force9.co.uk/Roswell_Timeline.htm >

      The Roswell Timeline

      Time-Line for the Roswell Event of July 1947.

      Introduction

      On July 2 1947, during the evening, a flying saucer crashed on the
      Foster Ranch near Corona, New Mexico. The crash occurred during a severe
      thunderstorm. (The nearest military base to the crash site is in Roswell,
      New Mexico; so, Roswell is more closely associated with this event than
      Corona.)

      Events take place

      June/July
      In the summer of 1947 William Woody and his father observe a bright,
      arching light with a red contrail travelling south to north across the sky
      and disappear below the Northern horizon.

      2nd July
      On Wednesday 2nd July at around 9:50pm, Mr. & Mrs. Dan Wilmot report
      seeing an oval-shaped UFO from their house at South Penn, Roswell, moving
      NW, towards the crash site. Dan Wilmot estimates it as being at around 1500
      feet and 15 to 20 feet in diameter (Roswell UFO).
      Mac Brazel and others hear a loud explosion.

      3/4th July
      Mac Brazel, accompanied by 7-year-old neighbour Dee Proctor, discovers
      a large amount of lightweight, metallic debris (the crashed Roswell flying
      saucer) on a remote pasture (the debris field). Brazel was foreman of the
      Foster Ranch. The pieces were spread out over a large area. When Brazel and
      Dee drove back home, he showed a piece of the wreckage to Dee's parents,
      Floyd and Loretta Proctor. It was agreed the debris was unlike anything seen
      before. Brazel removes a large, circular piece of debris from the debris
      field and stores it in a shed.

      5th July
      Mac Brazel is in Corona and hears about the $3000 reward money for a
      "flying disc".

      6th July
      Mac Brazel showed pieces of the wreckage to Chaves County Sheriff
      George Wilcox. Wilcox called Roswell Army Air Field (AAF) and talked to
      Major Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer. Marcel drove to the sheriff's
      office and inspected the wreckage. William Blanchard, Marcel's commanding
      officer, ordered Marcel to get someone from the Counter Intelligence Corps,
      and to proceed to the ranch with Brazel to collect as much of the wreckage
      as they could.
      Soon after this, military police arrived at the sheriff's office,
      collected the wreckage Brazel had left there, and delivered the wreckage to
      Blanchard's office. The wreckage was then flown to Eighth Air Force
      headquarters in Fort Worth, and from there to Washington. Marcel and Cavitt
      accompany Brazel back to his car to go to the debris field.
      The two deputies return to Sheriff Wilcox, having found an area of
      blackened ground. Marcel and Cavitt stay at Brazel's ranch and examine the
      large piece of debris stored in the shed.

      7th July
      Marcel and Cavitt collected wreckage from the crash site. After
      filling Cavitt's vehicle with wreckage, Marcel told Cavitt to go on ahead
      and he would collect more wreckage, and they would meet later back at
      Roswell AAF. Marcel filled his vehicle with wreckage. On the way back to the
      airfield, Marcel stopped of at home at around 1-2am to show his wife and son
      the strange material he had found. Both his wife Viaud and son Jesse Jnr
      examine the debris Jesse Snr had brought home. Jesse Jnr remembers there
      were pink/purple/lavender symbols along the centre sections of some of the
      small metallic "I" beams in amongst the debris.
      Around 4:00 pm, Lydia Sleppy at Roswell radio station KSWS began
      transmitting a story on the teletype machine regarding a crashed flying
      saucer out on the Foster Ranch. Transmission was interrupted, seemingly by
      the FBI.

      8th July
      *11:00am* Blanchard dictates a press release on the recovery of a
      flying disk to PIO Walter Haut.
      Haut goes into town to deliver his press release to the radio stations
      and newspapers. His first is at station KGFL, where he gives the release to
      Frank Joyce.

      Noon: The information is put on the AP wire.
      1st flight in arrives from Washington DC, carrying a special team of
      photographers and W/O Robert Thomas.

      William Woody and his father, still curious about their sighting, set
      out on highway 285 to the North of Roswell to travel to Ramon. The Military
      had all side roads and tracks from 285 blocked off. A few miles South of
      Ramon is the turn off to highway 247 which would take you by the general
      area of the Foster Ranch, this exit was also blocked. They are turned away
      by MPs posted on outlying roads.

      News of the recovery spreads as the story hits the wire services.
      Phone lines at the base, at the sheriff's office, and at newspaper and radio
      news offices are tied up. The only newspapers that carried the initial
      flying saucer version of the story were evening papers from the Midwest to
      the West, including the Chicago Daily News, the Los Angeles Herald Express,
      the San Francisco Examiner, and the Roswell Daily Record. The New York
      Times, the Washington Post, and the Chicago Tribune were morning papers and
      only carried the cover-up story the next morning.

      Sheriff Wilcox sends two more deputies to the debris field; they are
      turned back by MPs.
      Cavitt and Rickett return to the Roswell base with Brazel.
      Brazel is flown back to the debris field from the base; other planes
      from Roswell are similarly reconnoitring the area.
      The UFO impact site is discovered from the air; ground troops are
      directed toward it.

      *Barney Barnett and a group of students and archeologists or
      rockhunters are already at the impact site and say they had seen debris and
      bodies; they are escorted off by the Army.*

      Col. Blanchard "goes on leave" from the base, but he actually leaves
      to visit the debris field.

      Material has been brought from the debris field and loaded onto a
      C-54; Capt. Pappy Henderson flies this 2nd flight out to Wright Field.
      3rd flight out, a B-29, carries Marcel to Fort Worth Army Air Field. A
      few wrapped packages *of debris* are also on the plane.

      Clean up continues at the crash sites. Brazel is flown back to the
      base, then leaves and is located by Walt Whitmore, of radio station KGFL,
      who interviews him about the find. Blanchard visits the debris field and
      impact site with his staff. A 2nd flight from Washington, DC, arrives at the
      base; Rickett gives the crew a sealed box filled with debris; the plane
      returns shortly to Washington (4th flight out). The Roswell Daily Record
      carries "RAAF Captures Flying Saucer" story.

      Sgt. Melvin Brown looks under a tarp on the back of a truck at the
      impact site and sees several alien-looking bodies.
      Glenn Dennis, a local mortician, is intrigued by several inquiries
      from the base about tissue preservation and the smallest caskets he has
      available.
      Truck carrying the bodies arrives at the base. Pathologist Dr. Jesse
      Johnson, Jr attempts a preliminary autopsy at the base hospital.

      Dennis tries to visit the base hospital but is turned away forcibly; a
      nurse friend warns him to leave before he gets in trouble.

      *8:30pm* Barnett returns home to Socorro.
      Capt. John Martin, Sgt. Brown, and other MPs guard a crate containing
      the bodies that has been placed inside an empty hangar.

      9th July
      Troops continue clean up at the crash sites.
      At the base, three C-54's begin to be loaded with crates filled with
      debris (8:00am).
      (Senator Dennis Chavez calls Walt Whitmore Sr. to warn him against
      broadcasting an interview with Brazel; a representative of the FCC threatens
      to pull his broadcast license.)

      Officers from the base locate Brazel (who had stayed with Whitmore)
      and return him to the base for questioning.
      Brazel is taken by the military to the office of the Roswell Daily
      Record, where he gives a revised, sanitized version of the story. (A special
      secret service envoy representing President Truman arrives from Washington
      (3rd flight in.))
      The crate with bodies is moved from the hangar to Bomb Pit Number One.
      (Floyd Proctor, Lyman Strickland, escorted by soldiers.)

      Officers from the base visit newspaper and radio offices in town and
      recover all copies of Haut's original press release.
      Brazel is taken to radio station KGFL, where he gives a revised
      version of his story.

      Three fully loaded C-54's (5th-7th Flights out) carry debris to Los
      Alamos, NM, via Kirtland Field. 4:00pm. The crate from Bomb Pit Number One
      is transferred to a B-29 and flown (8th Flight out) to Fort Worth.

      The Roswell Daily Record carries a sanitized version of Barzel's
      story. 8:00pm. Marcel arrives back in Roswell (4th Flight in).

      10th July
      Clean-up continues at the crash sites.
      Brazel continues to be interrogated and held at a guesthouse on the
      base.
      Remaining debris confiscated from Sheriff Wilcox by military
      personnel.

      11th July
      MPs and others involved in the retrieval of the debris are debriefed
      and told to forget that it happened. This included Brazel after following
      his period of detention, Brazel repudiated his initial story.

      For over 50 years the cover up has held and still continues today.
      Many UFO researchers have spent their lives investigating this incident and
      still await the Smoking gun to find out what really happened on July 1947 on
      the Foster Ranch.


      --
      Terry W. Colvin, Sierra Vista, Arizona (USA) < fortean1@... >
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