Fwd = UFO UpDate: F-16 Scramble - NORAD Follow Up
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Originally from: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@...> (by way of UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@...>)
Original Subject: UFO UpDate: F-16 Scramble - NORAD Follow Up
Original Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 19:07:45 -0400
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From: Kenny Young <ufo@...>
To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <ufoupdates@...>
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 17:06:48 -0700
Subject: F-16 Scramble - NORAD Follow Up
Follow Up With Maj. Snyder
Major Snyder, Command Spokesman for the U.S. Space Command and
NORAD, was contacted by E-mail on Monday morning, July 29 for
brief follow up to our Saturday afternoon telephone conversation
concerning the unidentified aircraft approaching Washington D.C.
on July 26 as detected by NORAD radar.
Maj. Snyder was thanked for his earlier answers to some
questions and the E-mail posed a few more detailed questions to
him. These eight questions were as follows:
1) What was the elevation, speed and approximate location of the
July 26th unidentified radar target when it first appeared?
2) At what time was the unidentified radar target first
3) Did the aircraft undertake any flight changes or course
4) What was the elevation, speed and approximate location of
this same unidentified radar target when it last appeared?
5) At what time was it last detected?
6) What was the duration of the fading process from beginning to
7) What exact radar sensor(s) detected this unidentified
8) Did you have time to research whether or not the F-16 jets
were visible on radar simultaneous to the unidentified target?
Later that evening, Maj. Snyder responded to the eight questions
with one brief statement: "Kenny, that's a negative on all.
These are issues we don't address for operational security
concerns. Thanks, Maj. Snyder"
SECOND FOLLOW UP
A second-level follow up was then brought before Maj. Snyder,
where I asked: "One last question please; I noted that much of
the information was made available concerning the small private
aircraft intercepted near Washington D.C. last June (where the
FBI was waiting for the pilot as the plane landed). Why will
these same issues will not be addressed with this current case
and what makes this issue different?"
On Tuesday afternoon (July 30), Major Snyder responded to that
question with the following comment: "I don't know all the
details of the example provided. However, it's kinda apples and
oranges. In that situation, a questionable track-of-interest was
identified and landed at an airport, which was not the case last
week. However, in none of the situations we're involved in do
we release the info you asked about yesterday. Sometimes the
law enforcement agencies get involved, per below, and might
divulge details. That's their prerogative. Hope this helps."
In review of Maj. Snyder's comments, some of what he informs
appears inconsistent with previous precedent.
Certain questions regarding the July 26, 2002 suspected
UFO/radar case have been refused while similar data from a June
19, 2002 unintentional aircraft intrusion of Washington D.C.
airspace is public knowledge.
After this June 19th intrusion, in which a small private
aircraft ventured briefly into restricted Washington D.C.
airspace due to a navigational error made by the pilot,
information was made available to CNN that the off-course
aircraft of June 19th entered the outer edge of the expanded
Flight Restriction zone around Washington D.C. about 7:59 p.m.
Further, a June 21, 2002 New York Times article by Eric Schmitt
reports that Air Traffic controllers in Baltimore first spotted
the light aircraft heading to Washington just before 8:00 p.m.
This revelation informs us of a specific time the June 19th
plane was first 'spotted' while we have been denied information
on when the July 26th UFO target was first spotted. From the New
York Times article we are also made aware of the detection
method used to spot the June 19th plane; that being Air Traffic
Controllers at a Baltimore, Maryland air tower. Meanwhile,
similar information relevant to detection location or sensor as
per the July 26th UFO target was withheld.
Further, ABC News was informed that the June 19 plane "skirted"
the smaller permanent restricted airspace at 10,300 feet inside
the TFR zone. While the flight elevation of the erring pilot was
made available, Maj. Snyder stressed the need to withhold the
elevation of the UFO target of June 26 due to "operational
Even more perplexing to the secrecy surrounding the timeline of
events involving the July 26 UFO target, a full-fledged timeline
of events has been made available concerning the June 19 erring
pilot episode. This timeline, reported by ABC News and others,
is listed below:
7:59 Baltimore air traffic controllers notified Reagan National
Airport controllers that an unidentified plane was heading
7:59 - 8:01 National Airport ATC tries to raise the plane on a
number of frequencies, but are unable to contact the pilot.
8:01 The plane enters the Temporary Flight Restriction Zone
around the White House. National Airport officials contact both
the Secret Service and the North American Aerospace Defense
Command (NORAD), which is responsible for airspace security.
Defense Department sources say NORAD was notified at 8:03, and
that the plane entered the TFR zone at 8:04.
8:06 NORAD orders F-16s scrambled, according to Defense
8:13 Cessna leaves TFR Zone after air traffic controllers
finally reach the pilot, and he is notified of the violation and
told that fighter jets had been scrambled.
8:17 F-16s are airborne, according to Defense Department
8:24 Fighters make visual contact with Cessna near
NORAD and Maj. Snyder have not been prompt in releasing a
timeline of events or answers to specific information concerning
a UFO radar target of July 26, 2002, and have advised that this
information will not be released due to 'operational security.'
As noted above, Major Snyder said: "In none of the situations
we're involved in do we release the info you asked about."
However, as illustrated in this report, the same information was
indeed released regarding the June 19, 2002 case of a pilot
making a navigational error near the nation's capitol.
July 30, 2002
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