FWD: [UASR] Recent Scottish UFO activity part 2
- Posted by : Dave Ledger <dledger@...>
Here is part two of the recent sighting reports recieved via the UFO
All the best to you all,
Dave Ledger (UFO Scotland)
Bizarre sightings in Dundee leave witnesses baffled!
Name :Eye-witness names witheld by request.
date: : 27th and 28th January 1999
location: : Dundee
time : 18:20hrs GMT (27th) and 08:40hrs GMT (28th)
Case Researchers: Thanks to Mr Allan Robertson for bringing this case to
our attention and also to UFO Scotland researcher Jeannie McKay for the
follow up work.
Sighting Submission : Dear Sirs, I have been asked to forward this UFO
sighting report to you by someone who knows of my interest in the
subject, but who wishes, at present, to remain anonymous.
I have typed up this report from hand-written notes that the person has
given to me. The reason he wishes anonymity stems mostly from the fact
that when it was reported locally,(to a local newspaper and our local
observatory) it was dismissed as a "star or maybe Venus" that was seen,
and this has caused some concern that only more ridicule will result
from further reporting of the sighting.
The person in question is an A.D.I.approved driving instructor,and the
incident has had a great effect on him. From listening to his verbal
account of this sighting it is apparent that he would like to pass on
this information to someone who will take it seriously. With this in
mind, I believe that should someone wish to investigate this further, I
think he would be more than willing to discuss it more fully provided
that any contact was made via myself in the first instance. He does not
even want his family to know he has made this report as they are so
fearful of ridicule.
To perhaps assist with the 'geography' of the place names given in the
report, a few
distances/ directions might help. The Fairmuir Park mentioned is about
north of the Tay and the Thomson Street mentioned later is about half a
mile north of the Tay.
Dundee's small airport's traffic consists mostly of small private
aircraft which are very
familiar to locals.Also, a few miles away in Fife, is the R.A.F. base at
Leuchars, so that
military aircraft are also a common sight crossing Dundee. This fact
makes the observers
reaction to being unable to identify what he saw all the more strange.
--------------- (report follows)-----------------------
(Witness name witheld by request)
On Wednesday evening, 27th January 1999,during a driving lesson with a
old pupil, at approx. 6:20pm, I saw a black diamond shaped UFO flying
through the sky. It had
no flashing lights which you would see on any normal aircraft. The
driving lesson continued
when approx. 20 - 25 minutes later we stopped to do a Reverse Exercise
at a local park known
as Fairmuir Park. I looked up in the sky to see if I could still see the
UFO I had seen
earlier on. It was hovering high in the sky glowing like a star. I
recognised it as the UFO I
had seen earlier because of the shape. I got out of my car to look at it
and after about 1
minute it rotated anti-clockwise and directly underneath there was an
orange coloured beam
which came down from the UFO and went back up again. At this point I
shouted to my pupil to
come out of the car.
I could not see any lights nor could I here any sound.
We were both standing in the park trying to find out what we were
looking at. We had never
seen anything like it. About 2 - 3 minutes later it started moving off.
We jumped into the car
and followed it for approx.10 minutes. It was glowing a brilliant
white/very light yellowish
It was almost round in shape but a little oval in the centre now. We
could not believe what we
were looking at, it was definitely not from this world it was
extra-terrestrial. We watched it
travelling through the sky getting smaller and smaller as it got
further away. At this time
it was bright white just like a star. I watched it till it disappeared
over the River Tay and
into the hills of Fife. The time was now approx 7pm.
I found out on the Friday (29th January), that without
knowledge of my sighting, that on the next day, Thursday 28th January,
at approx. 8:40am, a
relative of mine with her 2 daughters were travelling down Thomson
Street, which overlooks the
River Tay and one of her children said there
was a shooting star over the Tay. It was hovering over the water with
two yellow beams coming
from underneath. Then it started to rise vertically into the sky. They
lost sight of it
because of a building obstructing their view. They described it as
shining like a star, very
bright white/ yellowish colour. After they could see the Tay again the
object had completely
vanished. They had obviously seen the same UFO as me.The two girls (13
yrs. and 9 yrs.)& their
mother all saw this as well as me and my pupil the night before."
There are, unfortunately, no photographs of this sighting, but there
are some rough drawings available. I reported this sighting to a UFO
magazine several weeks ago, but they have not acknowledged it to date.
This has made the person even more anxious that nobody is taking it
seriously. With this in mind, I hope that even if no follow up is
required with this incident,you will be able to at least e-mail me with
some sort of 'note' that I can pass on to the person concerned. I'm sure
that even this would go some way to easing his anxiety.
(Follow up E-mail interview by UFO Scotland Researcher Jeannie McKay):
The incident took place 6.20pm on Jan 27th. The subject then saw a
black diamond UFO fly thru the sky.
1. At that time of the year it is dark at that time. How low was
the UFO at that time? At what approx. speed was it moving and
in what direction? How large was the craft? What shape does the
subject deem to be "diamond"?
In the direction he first seen it he could probably have observed
the craft silhouetted against any remaining 'glow' in the western
At that time he and his pupil (who was driving) were travelling
west along a road about 2.5 miles north of the River Tay.
The instructor saw the object in the general south/westerly
direction. He estimates it was about 40 - 45 deg. above the local
horizon and travelling in the general direction of the Sidlaw Hills
ie. north. Although I tried to get him to estimate the craft's
size/ altitude, he was not prepared to guess. All he would say was
he reckoned the craft was probably about the same size as his thumb-
nail at arms length. As this part of the sighting only lasted 5 - 8
seconds and was from a moving car, during a driving lesson, I don't
think he can say much more on this. As for the diamond shape, I cut
out a piece of paper in the shape of the diamond he had drawn when
he first told me about the incident (see attachment Fig. 1 from the
first e-mail I sent) and he agreed this was the shape when he first
saw it. He also said the craft was moving in the direction of it's
20- 25 minutes later Instructor and pupil see object again. He
recognises that it is the same one seen earlier because of the shape.
2. How low is the craft now and in what direction?
This part of the sighting was from the park which is about 2
miles north of the Tay and about 1 mile east of the 1st sighting.
He estimated that the craft was about 70 - 80 deg. above the local
horizon in a west of south/west direction. At this time he estimated
it was the same size as a pen, end on, held at arms length. Again
he couldn't estimate size/altitude.
The craft was "glowing like a star".
3. What colour was it glowing and how brightly? Was the outline of
craft clearly visible?
The outline of the craft was clearly visible. This was the
reason he was able to recognise it when the car first stopped at
the park and he looked around, from inside the car, to see if he
could spot what he had seen earlier. When I asked him what colour
it was and if it was very bright, he just said again that it was
"like a star" but recognizable as the diamond and just hovering.
The craft rotated anti-clockwise.
4. How many degrees did it rotate? How fast did it rotate?
I'll try to find out about this.
Orange beam came down from UFO and went up again.
5. How far down did orange beam come? Was the craft hovering at the
time? What would have been underneath craft at time beam came
down (approx.)? Did craft appear to be searching for something?
How fast did the beam go down and up? Was the beam a single shaft
(Again, see the e-mail attachment mentioned above, Fig. 3 for
The craft was hovering at the time the "beam" was seen.
As with size estimates etc., he compared the "beam" to being
like the tail of a kite in length. The "beam" was described as
"being like a row of Christmas lights coming on one after the other
in sequence, first down from the craft, then back up towards it.
The craft was hovering at this time, he estimates it was above the
general area of the Dryburgh Estate in Dundee. He didn't recognise
it as anything like a helicopter or even a "blimp" type airship.
From his (animated!) description of the "beam" event, it seems to
have lasted only a couple of seconds. I'll check on this.
Instructor followed the craft for ten minutes.
6. Did he follow it in his car? Or did he stand observing for 10
The instructor and the pupil followed the object in the car
for about 10 minutes. They drove in a generally westerly direction
along several roads until they ended up about 1.5 miles west of the
park at which point they stopped as the object had, they estimated,
passed over Invergowrie Bay and went into the distance over the
hills of Fife.
It was then glowing a white/very light yellow
7. Is the glow coming from the craft itself or is it a glowing field
around the craft? Was the glowing light pulsating?
His description was of the craft glowing but I'll check again
on this and on the pulsating.
The UFO is almost round in shape - but a little oval in the centre
8. Would the Instructor say that the craft changed shape? Or was he
viewing from a different angle?
When questioned, he agreed that he could have been looking at
the craft from a different angle.
9. When the craft was last seen at what speed was it travelling?
Was the UFO seen at the same height during the sighting?
Since the craft appears to have travelled from approx. above
Dryburgh to the hills of Fife in a general south west direction
which is about 10 - 11 miles in about 10 mins. the speed may have
been 60 - 66 mph. As to height, it appears to have been relatively
smaller above the park than it was when it was first seen. I'll
have to check to see if it appeared to change altitude as it was
flying away into the distance.
10. Not personally knowing the area, was the craft always travelling
in the same direction (e.g when it rotated)?
When first seen, it appeared to be travelling in a northerly
direction. After the park part of the sighting, it appeared to
move off in a general south/westerly direction. To clarify the
park part of the sighting, it was observed hovering for about 1
minute before the "beam" was seen, then the craft rotated and again
remained hovering for about 2 - 3 minutes before it moved off in
the south/westerly direction.
Also, further to your mention of similar sightings, I noticed in the
current issue of UFO Magazine (May/June '99), that at the end of
in the Hull/Flamborough area, sightings of diamond shaped craft were
reported. I particularly note that close up observers reported
diamond shaped craft, and observers probably too far away, reported
I also noted from the copy of the report you sent me which you had
forwarded to Skywatch was headed "Fife" rather than Dundee. Will this
matter too much?
Again I'll try to get more info on the childrens sighting the following
morning, but this appears to have been of short duration. I don't know
the children personally and will see if the Instructor, who is their
uncle, is willing to ask a few more questions of them.
(Further E-mail Follow-up):
The craft rotated anti-clockwise.
How many degrees did it rotate? How fast did it rotate?
It rotated a full 360 deg. and this took about 5 -6
Orange beam came down from UFO and went up again.
How far did orange beam come? What would have been underneath
craft at time beam came down? How fast did the beam go down
It did not come down to the ground, it only came down
about a hand length on an outstretched arm. The
instructor was also a little unhappy about saying that
it seemed to be hovering above Dryburgh Estate as he
said that not knowing it's altitude or size, this made
it difficult to say where it was hovering. The beam
took about 2 - 3 secs to come down, paused for about
2 - 3 secs and then again, 2 - 3 secs to go back up.
It was glowing a white/very light yellow.
Is the glow coming from the craft itself or is it a glowing
field around the craft? Was the glowing light pulsating?
It was the craft itself that was glowing, and the
glowing light was not pulsating.
Was the UFO seen at the same height during the sighting?
As it moved across Invergowrie Bay towards Fife, it may
have started to gain altitude.
I hope that helps to clarify these points. The instructor also
has some more details now from the childrens sighting.
(Further E-mail follow-up):
I'll try to give you the best
information I can about the children's sighting that I've
been able to gather from the Instructor during three or four
visits from him.
I'll include with this e-mail a couple of scans I've made from
drawings the chidren made within a short time of their sighting.
The scans (Figs 5 & 6) on the original report I sent you were
the instructors interpretation of the drawings that the children
had shown him. (You will note that the 9 year old refused to
colour in her 'object' as she insisted that she didn't have a
colouring pen of exactly the right colour so she would rather
leave it blank!)
I think that I should also mention a little about Thomson Street
where the sighting took place. As mentioned, the top of this
street is very approx. half a mile from the Tay and exits at
the bottom onto Magdalen Yard Road almost directly opposite the
northern end of the Tay Rail Bridge. Thomson Street is very
narrow with quite a steep slope down towards the river. There
are usually cars parked half on the pavement, half on the road,
leaving hardly enough room for a car to pass. There are buildings
on either side of the street making the view of the river quite
restricted to the sides.
At approx. 08:40 am on Thursday 28th January, the two girls and
their mother, after having collected their car from a lock up
near the top of Thomson Street, were driving down this street
when the the youngest child said that there was "a shooting
star" in the sky above the river. When her older sister looked
at it she said it wasn't a shooting star but a comet, "because
it had a tail". It had two yellow beams coming from underneath
it. It started to rise vertically into the sky. Their view was
retricted because buildings were obscuring their view. They said
it was shining like a star, a very bright white/yellowish colour.
The mother saw the object as well.
After they turned into Magdalen Yard Road and had a clear view
of the river, the object had vanished.(One of the children later
said to her father that they had seen a UFO because it was going
up vertically and she knew that "aeroplanes couldn't do that!")
I got the Instructor to ask the girls and their mother some
1..... How long did the sighting last?
Answer: About 5 minutes.
2..... Who saw it first?
Answer: The younger girl.
(My comment: I note that she was the one who drew the craft as an
almost round object, whereas her sister drew a shaped object.)
3..... Were you in the back of the car?
4..... Which window did you see it through (ie in which direction)?
Answer: Front and side.
(My comment: This would have them looking in the general direction
of the railway bridge.)
5..... How high was it (ie if you were pointing at it, how high
would your arm be)?
Answer: Shoulder level.
(My comment: This would put the object probably at a fairly low height
ie. straight ahead)
6..... What size was it ( like a penny, 10 pence, 50 pence or
whatever held at arms length)?
Answer: A football.
7..... Did you all see it hovering?
(My comment: This again may explain why the youngest girl drew an
almost round object. She did see it hovering.)
8..... Did the air around the object glow or was it just the object
which glowed? Did the light pulse?
Answer: The bottom of the object glowed.
(My comment: There was no answer to the pulsing question.)
9..... When it moved off vertically, did it shoot off very fast or
did it move slowly.
Answer: Slowly at first, then vanished quickly.
10.... Did you hear any sound?
11.... Do you think it was directly above the river?
12.... Could you see the river at the same time as you seen the
13.... Anything else you remember?
End of report.
I hope that this helps with this sighting. I don't know if I'll
be able to get any more from the children. At the time this
sighting took place, the road along the north shore of the river
past the railway bridge is very busy. It would be very strange
if nobody else seen this thing........
Anyhow I look forward to seeing the report on your web site. I'll
show it to the instructor, he'll be very satisfied.
Many thanks to Allan Robertson and Jeannie McKay for their work and
excellent research into this delicate case.
Bizarre Flying Disc Over Scotland Shakes Witnesses
Source: The Dundee Evening Telegraph - Scotland
Thanks to: Gerry Lovell <ed@...>
Date: March 13th 1999
An unidentified flying object sighted in the Angus skies near Carnoustie
this morning has left a number of people mystified.
One Carnoustie resident, who wishes to remain anonymous, said he had
been fairly sceptical about such things, but wanted an explanation for
what he saw.
He and several members of his family, along with a Forfar couple, saw a
strange red disc moving about the sky between 6.30am and 6.55am this
Neither the Coastguard nor members of staff at RAF Leuchars could shed
any light on the sighting.
The man said that the object, which moved about the sky, was "like
nothing I've ever seen before except on the film Armageddon".
"I was out walking the dog with my wife and child near the black slab
car park this morning," he said.
"We saw this red oblong shape in the sky, and it couldn't have been the
moon or the sun because of the way it was moving. It then just
"A car drew up and the man inside asked us if we'd seen it and we said
"The man in the car said he was from Forfar and had seen the light
earlier, and we could see he was visibly distressed."
The family continued their walk along the beach and the object
reappeared at about 6.55am.
"I'm neither a believer nor a non-believer in UFOs, but this time it had
changed from bright red to orange, and it was much bigger," he
"Anybody looking at the sky would have seen it - it was that big you
couldn't miss it."
A member of the Fife Coastguard said there had been no reports of flares
or other lights.
"It's been fairly misty this morning, and there is no meteorite activity
as far as I know," he said.
A spokesman at RAF Leuchars discounted any official aerial activity by
personnel from the Fife airbase.
"I know of no operations in the area by any of our flights," he said.
So it seems the strange red object will have to remain a mystery for the
UFO's sighted in Morayshire in Scotland (North East)
Name : Heidi and Iain Sands <SAMBO@...>
Date: : 18th May 1999
Location: : Braehead,Elchies,Craigellachie,Aberlour,MORAY
Time : between 12.20am and 1.04am
Eye-witness sighting report : Together myself and my husband watched two
UFO`s,hanging in the night sky.One was much further away than the
other.The sky was very clear and we heard no noise.
They were in the direction of Burghead/Kinloss from our home.They were
moving from side to side and up and down,and appeared to be saucer
shape,sometimes tipping to show the top or the bottom at other
times,eliptical,very bright light at one end and something akin to a
power source or
surge at the other end.
In total we watched them with binoculars and the naked eye for over half
an hour.When they moved to go they went very quickly away from us.
I would be interested to hear if anyone else sighted what we did.For the
record this is my (Heidi Sands) second sighting.On New Years eve twenty
years ago, I saw exactly the same thing,albeit only one UFO,in
Lancashire outside Salwick Automic Energy plant.I was not alone at the
time,and there were many reports the following day in the press about
Please let me know if anyone else saw the same UFO over Burghead/Kinloss
Subject: More unusual sightings near Aberdeen area on East Coast of
Date: Sat, 22nd May 1999
Time: 23:30 approx
Source: Thanks to UFO Scotland researcher "Richard Gall"
Tonight, while I was out walking my dog I witnessed the best 'unknown'
the sky that I have ever seen. Every night when I walk the dog I
spend more time looking up than where I'm going when the sky is clear.
Tonight the sky was relatively clear with scattered clouds.
Just as I finished the walk and was in my garden I noticed a very bright
object in the sky. I assumed it to be a star until I realised it was
Secondly, I thought it was a perception error, considering the clouds
moving, I wondered whether or not the movement was 'illusional' as is
However this was not the case, this very intense white object,
larger(brighter) than any star in the sky was obviously very high up,
absolutely silent, yet moved across the sky at a good rate. I estimate
sighting lasted about 3 - 4 minutes.
When I first noticed the object it was about 30 degrees above the
directly to the south. As the sighting proceeded, the object moved north
then gradually turned and headed out to the north east where I
lost it behind a thick cloud layer. I did proceed to walk down the hill
where there are less lights to see if I could relocate it however this
not the case.
There were no indications of any anticollision beacons or noise to
that this was a conventional aircraft. Besides, even if it was a
conventional aircraft, if it was high enough that no engine noise could
heard, there is no way it could travel the distance it did in the time
did. I must also emphasise how 'intense' the light appeared.
I would be interested in hearing about any other such cases in Scotland
right now. Chances are if I seen it, many people from a wide radius
did too. Since it came up from the south, perhaps some of you down near
Fife seen similar object(s) tonight?
If you see someone without a smile......give them one of yours :)
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