RE: [ufodiscussion] If Monkeys Could Fly.
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Subject: [ufodiscussion] If Monkeys Could Fly.
Subject: If Donkeys Could Fly----- Nov. 3, 2005.
You might finish that statement with the words, "then
why or why can't I?". Thats not exactly how it went in the
movie, "Wizard Of Oz." but what I'll be trying to make
some sense of it is about as unusual.
The following is a subject that most people don't even
want to talk about so here goes nothing. If you have
the answers to everything in this life then you might pass
this one up.
An old acquaintance of mine from the contactee days
has written a very insightful article which I am passing
on here. He has many articles in his catalog which he
supplies on request without charge.
COMPATIBILITY OF ET LIFE TO REL-GION? YES OR NO!
Many of my readers have expressed curiosity
as to why I have written extensively on the subject of
re-igion in relation to UFOs and UFO investigation. I
think that the question has been answered for most
readers who have followed the UFO situation closely over
the years; obviously newcomers will not have the
background to automatically evaluate and judge as to why
this is so. Therefore, this article is being prepared
for their benefit.
To help them in their quest for authentic
knowledge let me set the stage by a short introduction
to the main problem at hand. Until we can recognize that
such a problem actually exists it will be almost
impossible to take my assertion seriously that the main
reason sec-ecy has been imposed, by what ever powers
that be, is because of relig-ous ideas and/or opposition
to the idea of extraterrestrial life in itself.
Even within re-igious circles we find
several ideas as to the exact nature of
extraterrestrials who are visiting this planet. One
group believes they exist and are "ang-lic" in nature.
Another group believes they are demo-s led by Sa-an to
deceive the world. Another group says they are merely
humanoids who come from another planet. Each group is
convinced they are absolutely correct in their own ideas
and all the other groups are either deceived (usually by
S-tan), or just mistaken in their ideas.
Objections usually fall into the following
categories: Those who believe that every word, comma or
period of the Bi-le is inspired by the Almighty say that
if intelligent aliens exist on other worlds then the
Bi-le cannot be true and G-d doesn't exist. Another
group believes that if aliens exist as intelligent
beings then the Chris-ian idea of the Inca-nation of
Je--s and Redemption is done away with.
All seem to be of the opinion that if other
intelligent life exists in the cosmos then that "proves"
the theory of evo-ution is true and this again will
destroy their faith.
Another theory that is pretty well proven as
fact is the idea that there is a continuous interchange
of dust, spores, and other debris throughout
interstellar space and that this was responsible for the
beginnings of life, both plant and animal (labeled
"Panspermia" by scientists.) This theory is severely
criticized as Sat-nic in origin by those creationists
who have tried to substitute "Intelligent Design" in
place of regular cr-ationism theories. They believe that
Panspermia backs up evo-ution and discredits the
Chris-ian idea that Go- created everything by the spoken
Today we have a lot of Chr-stian and J-wish
scholars who are classed as "Theistic Evo-utionists"
which they define as the idea that -od created
everything billions of years ago and since then has let
it develop (through evolu-ionistic methods) into the
diverse system around us all today. In other words, G-d
created everything then turned it loose on its own.
More problems exist. To them if intelligent
aliens are found to exist anywhere else in the cosmos,
then the Bi-le is destroyed as Go-'s Word. They think
that if the Bib-e is true and is the Inspired Word of
-od, than mankind could not have been created in the
image of G-d and not remain entirely unique. Being
unique is a requirement for their belief.
Perhaps the biggest argument of all (both
Chr-stians and Je-s) is that wicked or fallen an-els,
have free will also and as non-terrestrial aliens could
be dangerous to humans who try to communicate with them
or contact them in any other way. Therefore we should
make no attempt to interact with extraterrestrials in
any way. To these individuals to do so invites "de-on
possession" or control and must be avoided at all costs.
Let me reproduce some of my Publication #249 that was
entitled GO-ERNMENT SE- RECY ABOUT UFOS. It was
concerned with the same subject and bears repeating at
this point. Please bear with me if you have the
publications with the same comments.
Most followers of the "flying saucer" situation over
the years are aware of the Brookings Report issued by
the Brookings Institute in regard to the effects of
releasing space information of certain types to the
public at large. The essential part I am concerned with
at this time is found on pages 215, 225 and 226 of their
report and includes some comments from their footnotes.
Anthropological files contain many examples of
societies, sure of their place in the universe, which
have disintegrated when they had to associate with
previously unfamiliar societies espousing different
ideas and different life ways; others that survived such
an experience usually did so by paying the price of
changes in values and attitudes and behavior.
The positions of the major American rel-gious
denominations, the Ch-istian sects, and the Eastern
relig-ons on the matter of extraterrestrial life need
Consider the following: The Fundamentalist (and anti
science) sects are growing space around the world. For
them, the discovery of other life - rather than any
other space product - would be electrifying.
Missionary enterprises may have schools and a good
deal of literature attached to them.
One of the important things is that, where they are
active, they appeal to the illiterate and semi-literate
(including, as missions, the preachers as well as the
congregation) and can pile up a very influential
following in terms of numbers. Additionally, because of
the international effects of space activities and, in
the event of its happening, of the discovery of
extraterrestrial life, even though space activities are
not internationalized, it is very important to take
account of other major re-igions.
These quotes are only a brief portion of the entire
Brookings Report, and only a few paragraphs from the
entire report. They do make it plain that in their
opinion major upheaval would occur around the world if
the real truth about the reality of "flying saucers" was
made public. I have reproduced comments from the
Brookings Institute to document my statements that
re-igious ideas comprised the major reason UFO se-recy
was imposed, had some validity, and was the reason for
the imposition of secre-y in the first place. While
originally one of the reasons for se-recy had to do with
keeping the "reality" hidden from Russia (and other
countries), now that no longer applies.
Further problems were documented by the NIDS REPORT
(National Institute for Discovery Science), by Victoria
Alexander. Here is a reproduction of my commentary on
the survey by NIDS as it appeared in Publication #227
back in January 2002: QUOTE:
"The National Institute for Discovery Science released
a report entitled The Alexander UFO Relig-ous Crisis
Survey - The Impact of UFOs and Their Occupants on
Re-igion. The report was generated by Victoria
Alexander, with the help of her husband, John B.
Alexander. It was sent to 1.000 ministers and priests
and asked them to respond to questions in regard to
what they believed would be the result if irrefutable
proof of intelligent life in the universe was found.
What would be the effect on rel-gious thought in the
Un- ted States? About 77% of those receiving the survey
failed to respond. The others did.
"One thought that an intelligent ra-e might exist in
outer space and never underwent a fall from grace, as
did Adam and Eve. One respondent wrote, "There is
considerable disparity between my opinions and those of
my congregation who are largely very biased and
"While some thought the questions asked in the survey
were of no value, others thought it raised other
questions not asked. For example, some said that another
r-ce might not have undergone the "fall" and therefore
would need no redemption. Others thought that if
redemption was necessary, -od would provide them a way.
Still others wondered - if each planet needed a
redeemer, would Je--s be required to go to each of these
planets and be cru-ified for their s-ns. I am not making
"Most answers showed that instead of being objective
and considering the actual questions asked, the
respondents injected their own personal ingrained
beliefs and refused to consider the questions without
modifying them to conform to their personal belief
"For example this response: "I believe this kind of
survey is a hypothetical exercise in futility. You could
well ask if rel-gious beliefs would be affected if we
found out people were being reinc-rnated into
watermelons, or some other such nonsense." How would
you like to have the minister of your church exhibit
such ignorance as to what is going on around him every
"Another said, "Your questions assume past rel-gion is
entirely based on a system of belief without tangible
evidence or experience.
Believe more is debatable, experience is unshakable."
"Nothing of the sort was assumed. Past rel-gion is based
on belief without tangible evidence, and experience such
as that described by the believers is something that
also has no tangible evidence to support it. Anyone can
report an experience or "revelation" or some mir-culous
happening that has occurred, but to anyone except the
person who experienced it, it is merely hearsay.
Assuming a "revelation" did occur, it certainly does not
prove that -od was behind it. People who use certain
drugs often have "revelations."
"With UFO evidence or "flying Saucer" experiences
reported, we have thousands of photos showing physical
vehicles, including photos taken by the gun cameras of
USAF fighter planes. We have radar reports than cannot
be explained away as "temperature inversions" or other
We have sightings by hundreds of eyewitnesses who all
saw the same thing at the same time. In many instances
they were separated by many miles so mass hallucination,
an excuse often used by skeptics to explain mass
sightings, cannot be used. This is tangible evidence,
not depending upon anyone's belief system.
"Some respondents did know the truth about this
subject. Here are a few excerpts: "Faith has nothing to
do with reason. Should there be extraterrestrial life,
then it would have also to have been created by G-d."
Another said.it is my belief that the Universe is well
inhabited with obedient and holy intelligent people.
This one world (Earth) according to the Bi-le is the
only one in the problem of s-n and rebellion."
"Some made no attempt to answer any of the survey
questions, and in general, made fun of the survey
itself. Such as, "This survey competes with a similar
one I am working on. 'If donkeys could fly, how would
this effect rel-gious attitudes?' But since donkeys
don't fly, nobody has answered my survey with any
seriousness." I wish I had this minister's address and
name so I could enlighten him on just how ignorant and
downright stupid he sounds. Yet this person is in a
position of authority, giving advice and counseling to
his congregation. -od help them.
John Winston. johnfw@...
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