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  • shane eden
    Regan: Forgive me for breaking in on your coversation with Jahnet. You ve hit the nail on the head. Now all fingers are crossed as to whether ENOUGH people in
    Message 1 of 38 , Jul 5, 2005
      Regan: Forgive me for breaking in on your coversation with Jahnet. You've hit the nail on the head. Now all fingers are crossed as to whether ENOUGH people in America can wake up and 'smell the coffee'. My hope for the world is that they will. Shane
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Regan Power<mailto:soulsearcher_22@...>
      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:30 AM
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Happy 4th of July


      It is because Britain has already undergone the madness of creating
      an empire and has discovered, by painful experience, what a terrible mistake
      of self-ignorance and self-delusion it is, that I am so poignantly aware of
      the trouble which the new, Imperial America is creating for itself now and
      for the generations of its children who are not yet born. So I made my
      remarks in a spirit of compassion for my fellow human beings of America, who
      appear to me to be not very conscious of what they are getting themselves
      into, by embarking on their imperial adventure without having a grain of
      compassion for their fellow sentient beings whose lives they are injuring
      and destroying. As you say, it appears to be America's turn now to be in
      the position of Top Dog, so as to wield power nakedly and arbitrarily and to
      get the karma that comes inevitably from doing that. But America has been
      Top Dog in the world for a century already and the Wheel of Life is turning,
      slowly perhaps, but it is turning nonetheless. Those who have studied the
      cycles of history will be aware that the crest of the wave has already
      passed for America.


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Jahnets
      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:12 AM
      Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Happy 4th of July

      You've made a lot of good points here Regan. I think you missed one. They
      said "All men are created equal", where they should have said," All sentient
      beings". Why some of these things are happening to us as a people or group
      I believe is because of the Golden Rule(Karma). Can't get past that rule...
      See in the beginning when The Declaration of Independence was written,
      Americans as a group) rebelled against the tyranny of England. Now they are
      put into the position of being the tyrannical so that they can better
      understand that side of the equation and now feel compassion for England or
      any other going through it. It isn't as easy as it seems being a powerful
      being, country,
      company, person, without using that power wrongly or selfishly. It's easy to
      stand on the sidelines and say they used it wrong because you don't have the
      responsibility of wielding it at that moment. From the very beginning as you
      stated they didn't include the Indians, or their very helpmates(women) or
      friends, and though we've tried to change and include women, Indians, and
      friends, I think they are finding it's harder to give up some of that power
      to the next country, people, woman, etc, once you've held it... Then again
      maybe it is the very words of the statement itself that needs changing
      before we as a group or country can evolve further. Even ideals evolve to
      better clarity and perfection... Let us keep compassion for those who are
      learning how to weild power fairly now least we as individuals be put in the
      position of learning that we too can make mistakes in weilding...ha ha

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      [mailto:ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Regan Power
      Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:32 PM
      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Happy 4th of July

      I am not a citizen of the USA, but I join with Bill in wishing all
      US citizens a Happy National Birthday.

      I am grateful to Bill, too, for appending to his post the 1776
      Declaration of Independence. Not being an American, I had not given much
      thought to it before and I now see that this was an omission. I was aware
      of it, of course, especially the opening sentence which reads, "We hold
      these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they
      are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among
      these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." But the meaning of
      these noble and inspiring words struck me with new force when I read them
      again today.

      For, they refer unequivocally to the divinely ordained equality and
      "unalienable" rights of ALL men, which the American colonists were citing as
      their fundamental justification for rejecting the British imperial rule that
      was oppressing them and which they had come to perceive as tyrannical.
      Thus, it seems to me that the founding principles of the American nation do
      not, in fact, favour the interests of any nation above that of any other,
      including those of America itself. Those principles were conceived as
      applying to all men, not just to Americans. It was the willingness of
      Americans to stand up for those principles on behalf of all mankind, that
      inspired the world with hope and faith in a future worth striving for, for
      over two hundred years. Liberty and Equality for All were the essential,
      idealistic motivation for the American Revolution and the essential,
      idealistic content of the "American Dream".

      A birthday is undoubtedly a good time to celebrate one's being in
      the world and one's original purpose for being here. But I think it is also
      a good time to reflect upon how far we have come and how much we still have
      to do in order to realize our highest dreams. In recent times, the American
      nation seems to have deserted its original dream of Liberty and Equality for
      All and to have embarked instead upon a nationalistic, self-serving crusade
      of imperial world-conquest, that is more wantonly hurtful, more ingeniously
      oppressive and more perversely unjust to the other nations which it so
      ruthlessly and viciously assaults, than old King George could have dreamt of
      being. And instead of being the hope of the world, America is now its
      despair. No wonder it now has enemies where once it had friends.

      Liberty and Equality for All. What happened to that shining,
      selfless ideal? And what about Fraternity, the third element of the ideal
      revolutionary trinity which completes and reinforces the other two? I can
      find no mention of that in the Declaration of Independence. And today the
      world stands confronted by a new, Macho America, which honours no
      friendships and appears to feel no need for friends either. It needs
      allies, sycophants and puppets like the government of Tony Blair certainly,
      but not friends who exist on the same level of Rights, Liberties and
      Equality under the law as itself. Indeed, the true one-sidedness of the
      relationship which America is determined to have with its "friends" is
      enshrined in the UKUSA-treaty, which is a once-secret agreement between the
      governments of the USA, Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand and which
      was contracted in the 1950s without the informed consent of any of the
      populations who are still subject to it. No Liberty has been allowed for
      them there. And no Equality either, since the treaty regularly refers to
      the USA as "the party of the first interest", thereby specifying, in no
      uncertain terms, that America's national interest is to be treated as the
      top, overriding priority by all the other parties to the agreement. In
      effect, the UKUSA-treaty is a devil's document, signed in blood, which has
      sold the souls of Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to the USA.
      That is how America treats its "friends". That is not friendship. It is

      In all other international contracts, institutions and relationships
      too, America has become accustomed to asserting its presumed right to
      pre-eminence, as though this was automatic and somehow implicit in the way
      that God made the world. What a travesty the modern executives of American
      society who do this, have made of the founding principles of the American
      nation! Surely, the authors of the Declaration of Independence did not
      intend this. Or, did they? I notice that the document refers to "the
      Indian savages". They were men too, but the new, independent nation of
      America never showed much respect for their "unalienable" Rights and never
      treated them as equals. Even less did it treat them as friends. So perhaps
      the American Dream never was truly meant to be realised, right from the
      beginning. Maybe it only ever existed in Hollywood and Disneyland, in the
      dreams of schoolchildren and in the tearful-eyed fantasies of devoted
      patriots as they salute the flag that will drape their child's coffin.

      The transition from childhood to adulthood is a notoriously
      difficult, turbulent phase in one's development and if America was a person,
      I would say that it is going through its adolescence now. The outcome of
      this stage of growth for us as individuals, is so natural and automatic that
      it hardly ever goes disastrously wrong so that a person fails to mature out
      of it into full, self-responsible adulthood. As individuals, we are usually
      unaware of making the choices and decisions that will move us forward
      towards full maturity, but we do make them nevertheless. But in the life of
      a nation, the outcome of the adolescent phase is far mor precarious and
      uncertain and its people need to be focussed and conscious of what they are
      really aspiring to be as a nation, in order to move it forward. To me, as a
      dispassionate observer, the American people seem to be undergoing a certain
      disillusionment about themselves as a nation, in which they are finding out
      that they are not who, and what they thought they were and that the national
      character which they really have is not as likeable to others as they had
      always believed it to be. I think those Americans who can accept this
      informative feedback from the world and resolve to change what they see
      needs to be changed in their nation, will be the heroes of the age, who move
      America forward in its maturation and towards the realization of its highest
      dreams and aspirations for the world.

      Happy Birthday, America! May you rise up on wings of Light,
      transformed anew, like the Phoenix!


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: William Hamilton
      To: Skyopen@yahoogroups.com
      Cc: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; talk@... ;
      Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:23 PM
      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Happy 4th of July

      To the United States of America and all her citizens, Happy Birthday and
      many happy returns and may we not have to cast off the yoke of an oppressor
      ever again, that our government uphold the rights of the American people now
      and forever and may the government always derive its just powers from the
      consent of the governed.


      Bill Hamilton

      IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

      The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

      When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to
      dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to
      assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to
      which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect
      to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes
      which impel them to the separation.

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
      that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that
      among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure
      these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just
      powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of
      Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People
      to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its
      foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to
      them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence,
      indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed
      for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn,
      that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than
      to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
      But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the
      same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is
      their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide
      new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance
      of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to
      alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of
      Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having
      in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.
      To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

      He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for
      the public good.
      He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing
      importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be
      obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
      He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts
      of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation
      in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants
      He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual,
      uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for
      the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
      He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly
      firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
      He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others
      to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation,
      have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining
      in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and
      convulsions within.
      He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that
      purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to
      pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions
      of new Appropriations of Lands.
      He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to
      Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
      He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their
      offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
      He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of
      Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
      He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the
      Consent of our legislatures.
      He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the
      Civil power.
      He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our
      constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their
      Acts of pretended Legislation:
      For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
      For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders
      which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
      For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
      For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
      For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
      For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
      For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province,
      establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries
      so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the
      same absolute rule into these Colonies:
      For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and
      altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
      For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested
      with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
      He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection
      and waging War against us.
      He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and
      destroyed the lives of our people.
      He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to
      compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with
      circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous
      ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
      He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to
      bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends
      and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
      He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to
      bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages,
      whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages,
      sexes and conditions.

      In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the
      most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by
      repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which
      may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

      Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have
      warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an
      unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the
      circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to
      their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties
      of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably
      interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the
      voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the
      necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the
      rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

      We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in
      General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for
      the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the
      good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these
      United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States;
      that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that
      all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and
      ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they
      have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish
      Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may
      of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance
      on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our
      Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.


      The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated:

      Column 1
      Button Gwinnett
      Lyman Hall
      George Walton

      Column 2
      North Carolina:
      William Hooper
      Joseph Hewes
      John Penn
      South Carolina:
      Edward Rutledge
      Thomas Heyward, Jr.
      Thomas Lynch, Jr.
      Arthur Middleton

      Column 3
      John Hancock
      Samuel Chase
      William Paca
      Thomas Stone
      Charles Carroll of Carrollton
      George Wythe
      Richard Henry Lee
      Thomas Jefferson
      Benjamin Harrison
      Thomas Nelson, Jr.
      Francis Lightfoot Lee
      Carter Braxton

      Column 4
      Robert Morris
      Benjamin Rush
      Benjamin Franklin
      John Morton
      George Clymer
      James Smith
      George Taylor
      James Wilson
      George Ross
      Caesar Rodney
      George Read
      Thomas McKean

      Column 5
      New York:
      William Floyd
      Philip Livingston
      Francis Lewis
      Lewis Morris
      New Jersey:
      Richard Stockton
      John Witherspoon
      Francis Hopkinson
      John Hart
      Abraham Clark

      Column 6
      New Hampshire:
      Josiah Bartlett
      William Whipple
      Samuel Adams
      John Adams
      Robert Treat Paine
      Elbridge Gerry
      Rhode Island:
      Stephen Hopkins
      William Ellery
      Roger Sherman
      Samuel Huntington
      William Williams
      Oliver Wolcott
      New Hampshire:
      Matthew Thornton


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    • Regan Power
      That s beautiful, Don! Number of Google hits for America isn t evil - 4, one of which actually asserts that America IS evil and another which is no longer an
      Message 38 of 38 , Jul 14, 2005
        That's beautiful, Don!

        Number of Google hits for "America isn't evil" - 4, one of which
        actually asserts that America IS evil and another which is no longer an
        active link.

        Number of Google hits for "America is evil" - 7,730.

        Although I don't believe in the reality of objective evil, I
        appreciate that we are living in a consensual virtual reality and it seems
        quite clear what the consensus view of America is at the moment. Amazingly,
        most of the critics of America whose articles I read on the net, are
        themselves Americans. I guess there's hope for "The Land of the Free" yet.


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: DRxDON
        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 1:35 AM
        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Happy 4th of July

        Google Knows Best... ;-)

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