- Specialist Sergeant Clifford Stone (ret.) spent twenty two years serving in the U.S. Army (1969-1990) where he claims he was covertly assigned to elite UFO crash retrieval teams known as projects Moon Dust and Blue Fly. Sergeant Stone testifies that he was recruited for this covert service upon his enlistment into the U.S. Army and secretly served for 22 years without his immediate commanders, military colleagues and family knowing about this.
What follows is the transcript of an exclusive interview conducted with Sgt Stone on July 20, 2005 where he describes how his specialized training was done in a way that wasn�t recorded in his military record; how he would be secretly summoned to his classified assignments without his regular army commander knowing; and the actual duties he performed when secret teams were tasked with the retrieval of extraterrestrial vehicles and recovery of extraterrestrial biological entities, both dead and alive.
M.S. Measurement and Signature Intelligence its one of the new branches of intelligence gathering, that would include the kind of radar tracking that you just described.
C.S. It probably would be. Remember I only got bits of this since I was in the Army and not the Air Force, and they didn�t sit you down to give you all the information so when you got out you could talk about it. The least you knew the better off you were. They also did psychological profiles on probabilities of people talking once they got out. I had a 70%. Which meant there was a 70% probability that I would never speak of some of the things that had happened.
Which is probably why they wanted me to stay in. A 100% probability that I wouldn�t speak while I was in the military, even though I did there at the end start talking out. But, even then I had to be very careful. In short, it had to be: �well this is what other people are saying; well, this is some of the stuff I know about,� but I couldn�t come out and hit up, yes, this is what I�m working with. These are some of the things when you�re sleeping at night, we�re still awake and doing things like this.
M.S. Can you just very briefly explain your precise role when you were working on those retrieval teams, being for example the first team to go in that you were playing that role of actually entering into the vehicle, to then relay back to the other teams whatever other information they needed in order to come in safely? In other words you were the first one in there.
C.S. We took radiation readings and things of this sort, and we also took steps of trying to identify any type of biological hazard that might be there, but the real purpose for me being involved point blank was to act as an interface. Whether you believe this or not, the intent is to communicate with the entity on the ship, or on the craft.
M.S. And that was always done with crashes? Your skill was not used in some classified project to communicate with EBEs; it was always done in terms of any EBEs on a crashed disk?
C.S. Well with me, the two things the military did with me, for example, I would always have a guardian that would always, because I thought I should have a higher security clearance for some of the stuff I was doing. Oh no, no, they shut you up if you do push for that. Well any time I needed a security clearance, I had whatever security clearance to do whatever it was they wanted me to do. You were debriefed afterwards and you sign the non-disclosure agreement, but it�s not supposed to work that way. It�s supposed to be that they give you that on a one time basis, on a �need to know� and that�s where it stops short of getting the actual clearance and being fully briefed into the job.
Well one thing they wanted me to do was to go to �school�, to go to �school�, to go to �school�. Well this would be the �school� that taught many factors about UFOs, I�m certain of that. It was never explained to me why I had to go. Well I thought hard not to go to that school, and I was very good at not going. The closest I came was when they sent me to the advanced NCO course when they were thinking of going ahead and sending me down to Fort Belvoir. At the end of that course, they would have to hit up on it being an intelligence course and that would create a problem with me going back when I�m supposed to be nothing more than the administrative specialist there at my unit � personal services for non-commissioned officers�.
C.S. Well one thing they [military controllers of UFO information] wanted me to do was to go to �school�, to go to �school�, to go to �school�. Well this would be the �school� that taught many factors about UFOs, I�m certain of that. It was never explained to me why I had to go. Well I thought hard not to go to that school, and I was very good at not going.
The closest I came was when they sent me to the advanced NCO course when they were thinking of going ahead and sending me down to Fort Belvoir. At the end of that course, they would have to hit up on it being an intelligence course and that would create a problem with me going back when I�m supposed to be nothing more than the administrative specialist there at my unit � personal services for non-commissioned officers�.
M.S. With that �school�, what information were you aware of in terms of what was taught there, where it was located and the sort of people they sent there?
C.S. I was not aware of where it was located, what was taught. I got to meet some people who went there and to me they were scary. It was like, you know, even enlisted people were above reproach. I mean, it was like �your station in life is less than mine because I know secrets that no one else knows.� It�s hard to explain but there�s something sinister about the people when they came back from the school.
M.S. That �scariness� or �sinister� quality that they had, was that in any way related to their intelligence? Was there some kind of intelligence enhancement that went with that training, or was it purely because of their demeanor that they believed they were a cut above the rest of the services?
C.S. I would say it was the demeanor. For example, there was one person I met while I was there at Keesler [Air Force base] who felt for sure that they obviously were going to kill me because I was talking. I said I�m very careful about what I say, and the documentation I always make sure it�s released officially through the U.S. government. Anyhow, what they did, this guy essentially wanted to be there in Mississippi, he wanted to be there until retirement, and this was an Air Force pilot. But he was working over at the atomic medicine research facility. I think that�s what they called it, there at Keesler Air Force base.
And they initially weren�t not going to send him there, but because of the incident he was involved in connection with Bentwaters [1980 �UFO incident in the United Kingdom] and they definitely did not want him to be out and about talking to people about his experience. That�s one the media never did pick up on. Well, anyhow, now he says: �if you want to ensure my silence, what you have to do is send me to Mississippi.� And actually he used a form of blackmail there but it worked. I don�t know why it worked, but in a sense it worked. They sent him there on the condition that he never talk of his situation.
But a mutual friend of ours who knew I was heavily involved in UFOs when he found out who I was and what I was doing at that time, he says you know you got to keep away from him because if they decide they are going to take him out, they aren�t picky, and if you�re there too you�ll be taken out too. You�d have two unsolved murders as opposed to one. But I never felt threatened, I never felt like there was going to be any repercussions, the only repercussions I had was when I was assigned here [Roswell] and they were hitting up on Paul Bennewitz [photo on right] and I got, how can I put this, I got very verbal about what they were doing to Paul.
M.S. What was it that you were aware of that they were doing to Paul that concerned you?
C.S. Paul was on to something, and he�s dead now. The person who they identified as �Falcon� was involved with that.
M.S. Was that Richard Doty?
C.S. Richard Doty, and, Richard Doty I�m sorry is acting under orders. Paul had film footage, he had pictures, he had audio recordings of something �not found in nature� is the best way to put it. And when he had the meeting with the Air Force personnel; well, [they said:] �yes, there�s something there but you know we no longer investigate UFOs so we aren�t really interested.� Well they were interested enough to get copies of everything that he had, but then it took a sinister side. The sinister side was to go ahead and drive this person totally insane. And that ultimately led to his untimely death.
M.S. Yes it�s a sad experience�
C.S. He was going to write a book. I have two or three of the chapters he was working on and I talked to him, and I tried to talk him out of it. But he was very impressed with Richard Doty, Special Agent Doty, and he trusted Doty emphatically. So much so that he trusted Doty with his life. And that could have been the ultimate big mistake. I haven�t heard it but I understand Doty went on a radio talk show and acknowledged that he was doing that under orders, and I firmly believe he was doing that under orders. Doty actually has been involved in several UFO incidents that are in the UFO field some of them are actually, I�m not going to call them a hoax, because there�s a difference between a hoax and officially sanctioned disinformation.
M.S. Can you describe any personal experiences you�ve had with extraterrestrials, and any different types of extraterrestrials that you have personal experience of?
C.S. Forgive me on this, but Paola [Harris � pictured on left with Sgt. Stone] had some of that material so let her share that with you. I know it sounds crazy, but if you ever come here [to Roswell] I made six hours of tapes talking about my experiences. But when I start talking, talking generalities I can do, but when I start talking you are actually having flashbacks, you are actually reliving it. I know that sounds crazy, you had to be there to understand it, but I mean you get all emotional and I prefer not to get that way.
M.S. Ok, we�ll leave that for another time then.�
C.S. You send me your address I�ll send you copies of those three tapes.
M.S. I�ll be very appreciative and whatever cost you go to in making those tapes I am more than happy to reimburse you.
C.S. I give my stuff freely. Right now we have two CD�s I put out, I�m selling those but I�ll send you even a copy of those. One CD has over 10,000 pages of UFO/government documentation. I�m working on another CD right now that has government records dealing with advanced propulsion systems. A lot of people aren�t even aware of the fact that we are working on Warp Drive, speculating about manipulating wormholes in space, and also anti-matter drive. They think this is all stuff of science fiction, I have government documents where I can prove what I just told you is not science fiction but science fact and we�re working on it.
M.S. Thank you, I would appreciate all of that information. A question about 2001 National Press Club interview you were on � according to an [earlier] interview you were actually encouraged to go to that Press Club [Conference] by the covert authorities monitoring you, so why did they encourage you to go to that Press Conference? What does that signify?
C.S. The fact behind it is that they didn�t feel overly threatened by me going; actually initially I wasn�t going to go. I don�t know if Paola [Harris] told you that but initially I was not going to go. There were several other times where I had been invited, when they had it in the years prior, and even my supervisor was approached and told that I was not to have leave at that time. But things worked out, it�s like things falling into place to where I got to go and there was no effort to try to prevent me from going.
So a lot of the people felt that they were sanctioning me going there.
When it comes to the UFO field, the U.S., government doesn�t care about what you say; they care a whole lot about what you can prove. For example, if you were to come here and ask me to go to Corona with you to the crash site, I won�t go. The last time I was out there was in 1987 and a lot of people think that threats made there at that time, they no longer apply. Yes, they do. We went out there to gather pieces from a cave, we found the cave, we hit up on the pieces. I can�t tell you where that cave is, I couldn�t probably even find it, but if I should happen upon it, I�ve already talked about some of the things that could be in that cave so therefore if it was there it would give strong circumstantial evidence that I was there before.
And the possibility of certain things that we may have overlooked, which I doubt, might still be there and other people finding things. If you ever saw the pieces of what really crashed here, there�d be no doubt in your mind that the material, you don�t have to touch it. Just seeing it, you would know it�s something you never saw before. Back then you�d have absolutely have known that it was not of this world. When I had Ralph Pike here, he got to see bits �n pieces because I had in a cigar box and I was waiting for a person to come and pick it up. And of course, I had to be armed at that time and I told him don�t ask questions, don�t even pick it up, and I was sorry that he saw it. But he knew, without even touching it, he knew.
M.S. Can you maybe speculate a little about your role in a possible acclimation program? I mean you have a lot of information, you have a lot of documents, and you�re able to give this out to the general public. Is this just a result of you being aware of the boundaries that you should not cross in order to preserve your own safety and security, or is it because there is an acclimation program and you may actually be a part of this?
C.S. Well, I�m hoping that I�m doing something worthwhile by trying to get information out there. In other words, in having people read the documentation and think on their own, and I cannot see a person reading the documentation and not coming away saying, you know there�s something to the UFO phenomenon that we still don�t have answers for; and if there�s an intelligence behind it, that intelligence didn�t originate on this Earth. And that right there is actually my goal, my goal is to get people to go ahead, think on their own, read the documentation, and come to their own conclusions.
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