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  • nathaniel x vance
    masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
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      masanga,
      Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
      what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
      masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
      you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
      At any rate, I wish you well.

      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
      >
      > Nathaniel,
      >
      > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
      that my
      > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
      great
      > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
      > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
      knowledge,
      > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
      desires,
      > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
      as
      > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
      > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
      said
      > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
      And
      > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
      children to
      > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
      for
      > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
      long
      > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
      > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
      encouragement
      > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
      mental age
      > down to absolute zero in time.
      >
      > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
      break
      > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
      don't
      > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
      in the
      > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
      suggest
      > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
      >
      > Sincerely,
      > Regan (masanga)
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: nathaniel x vance
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > Dear masanga,
      > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
      > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
      > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
      > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
      would
      > your answer be?
      > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
      > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
      Can
      > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
      a
      > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
      > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
      Obama,
      > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
      earth
      > would qualify.
      > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
      > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
      > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
      >
      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
      > >
      > > Dear Nathaniel,
      > >
      > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
      > certain
      > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
      > > wicked...."
      > >
      > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
      > of our
      > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
      anyone
      > else
      > > in this respect.
      > >
      > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
      would
      > win
      > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
      > >
      > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
      > needing any
      > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
      > "seemingly
      > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
      > seemed to
      > > have a clear run to me.
      > >
      > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
      > >
      > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
      > about
      > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
      > >
      > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
      > praises
      > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
      > asssisted
      > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
      > protected
      > > around the clock 24/7!!"
      > >
      > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
      > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
      > in
      > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
      > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
      up
      > to
      > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
      is
      > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
      > system
      > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
      where
      > the
      > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
      > the
      > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
      "Emperor").
      > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
      > office
      > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
      > for
      > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
      > >
      > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
      > She is
      > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
      > for the
      > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
      > >
      > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
      > I see
      > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
      > as you
      > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
      > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
      > think she
      > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
      > independent
      > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
      > the
      > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
      > anonymous
      > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
      > sheer
      > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
      > the
      > > terms.
      > >
      > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
      > and
      > > sconld...."
      > >
      > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
      > scold
      > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
      > and
      > > objectively.
      > >
      > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
      > morbid
      > > intransigence...."
      > >
      > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
      > compromise" and
      > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
      us
      > to
      > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
      > what
      > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
      > she
      > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
      price.
      > But
      > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
      > >
      > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
      re-appearance
      > of
      > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
      > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
      arguments."
      > >
      > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
      > we? Or
      > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
      > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
      > she has
      > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
      which
      > you
      > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
      > can
      > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
      > an
      > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
      > even
      > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
      > It is
      > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
      > to pay
      > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
      > high for
      > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
      > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
      own
      > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
      > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
      > lie the
      > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
      > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
      > >
      > > Regards,
      > > Regan
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: nathaniel x vance
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
      > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >
      > >
      > > Dear Regan, Ted,
      > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
      > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
      the
      > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
      > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
      > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
      be
      > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
      team
      > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
      > this
      > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
      clock
      > > 24/7!!
      > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
      She
      > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
      > consciousness
      > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
      > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
      rediculed
      > > and sconld.
      > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
      > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
      > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
      > or
      > > less!
      > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
      arguments.
      > >
      > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
      > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
      > bitch
      > > at
      > > > times.
      > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
      me.
      > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
      slightest,
      > > the
      > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
      > count.
      > > And by
      > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
      > > >
      > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
      > FANNIE
      > > mae,
      > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
      > > would
      > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
      money
      > > into
      > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
      > idea,
      > > and
      > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
      > > things.
      > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
      > name
      > > for
      > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
      > > friends.
      > > > Good to see you're back.
      > > > Later...
      > > > Ted
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: masanga@
      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
      > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
      [11-08-08]
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > > Hi Ted,
      > > > >
      > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
      > > to get
      > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
      > > eventually
      > > > > got
      > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
      me
      > in
      > > my
      > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
      days
      > > and was
      > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
      > > forum
      > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
      election
      > > of
      > > > > Barack
      > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
      > > them. The
      > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
      of
      > > joy in
      > > > > the
      > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
      new
      > > age has
      > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
      > > > > world-historic
      > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
      > here.
      > > Why
      > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
      > > > >
      > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
      > > election
      > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
      > > politicians
      > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
      view
      > > that
      > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
      > > constitutes
      > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
      > > the
      > > > > whole
      > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
      > > > > Lambremont
      > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
      to
      > > remove
      > > > > the
      > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
      > anything
      > > > > myself
      > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
      either.
      > > > >
      > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
      > > found no
      > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
      myself
      > > from
      > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
      > > whenever I
      > > > > am
      > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
      > > that
      > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
      don't
      > > want to
      > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
      spectacle
      > > may be.
      > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
      the
      > > Zeta -
      > > > > on
      > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
      those
      > > among us
      > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
      it.
      > > So my
      > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
      warning
      > in
      > > > > fact -
      > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
      cult-building
      > > > > activity
      > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
      > their
      > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
      to
      > > do
      > > > > that
      > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
      > > natural
      > > > > consequences of doing it.
      > > > >
      > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
      > > now
      > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
      > > > >
      > > > > Warm regards,
      > > > > Regan
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > > From: Ted
      > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
      > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
      > [11-08-08]
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
      > > > > Well I meant a quote.
      > > > > .
      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > > From: masanga@
      > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
      > [11-08-08]
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
      > > words of
      > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
      is
      > > > >> reported
      > > > >> to have said:
      > > > >>
      > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
      > > > >> fantasies
      > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
      > > > >>
      > > > >> Regan
      > > > >>
      > > > >>
      > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
      > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > > > >>
      > > > >>
      > > > >>
      > > > >>
      > > > >> ZetaTalk:
      > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
      > > > >>
      > > > >> written
      > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      > > > >>
      > > > >> Questioner: Obama
      > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
      he
      > > did on
      > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
      out
      > > in his
      > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
      > new
      > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
      > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
      > The
      > > Zetas
      > > > >> have
      > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
      > > would
      > > > >> like
      > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
      > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
      X,
      > > and if
      > > > >> so
      > > > >> was
      > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
      > > Friday the
      > > > >> CNN
      > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
      > > "pause"
      > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
      > declined
      > > to
      > > > >> comment.
      > > > >>
      > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
      > consensus
      > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
      his
      > > heart
      > > > >> and
      > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
      > Obama
      > > looked
      > > > >> older
      > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
      the
      > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
      candidacy.
      > > Yet the
      > > > >> race
      > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
      > causing
      > > him
      > > > >> loss
      > > > >> of
      > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
      > > already
      > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
      world
      > > and
      > > > >> what
      > > > >> the
      > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
      also
      > > did not
      > > > >> learn
      > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
      > > company
      > > > >> crimes,
      > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
      > FBI
      > > and
      > > > >> the
      > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
      > > planetary
      > > > >> presence
      > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
      > had
      > > heard
      > > > >> the
      > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
      > relayed
      > > to
      > > > >> him
      > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
      > > confirmation.
      > > > >> Why would
      > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
      US
      > > > >> boundaries
      > > > >> are
      > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
      > cover-up,
      > > and
      > > > >> how
      > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
      > been
      > > > >> decided.
      > > > >>
      > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      > > > >>
      > > > >> Zeta response: This
      > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
      options
      > > in the
      > > > >> future.
      > > > >>
      > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
      beliefs?
      > He
      > > is
      > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
      > > Lincoln
      > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      > > > >> figuratively?
      > > > >>
      > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
      > > recognize
      > > > >> early
      > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
      > case,
      > > he
      > > > >> was
      > > > >> a
      > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
      life
      > > > >> circumstances
      > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
      human
      > > body
      > > > >> and
      > > > >> mind
      > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
      > > conclusion
      > > > >> that
      > > > >> they have a new soul within.
      > > > >>
      > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      > > > >>
      > > > >> The
      > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
      > > > >>
      > > > >> Issue 104,
      > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
      > > > >>
      > > > >> Election
      > > > >> Results
      > > > >>
      > > > >> As predicted by
      > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
      > > state by
      > > > >> state,
      > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
      > > ended up
      > > > >> in
      > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
      to
      > > the
      > > > >> actual
      > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      > > > >>
      > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      > > > >>
      > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
      is
      > > Not
      > > > >> MOCKED!
      > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > ------------------------------------
      >
    • masanga@talktalk.net
      Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
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        Nathaniel,

        Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

        You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
        Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
        me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
        whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
        multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
        must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
        only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

        Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
        commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
        acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
        view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
        can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

        But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
        know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
        it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
        me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
        business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
        commission without concerning myself with his too.

        Regan (masanga)


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: nathaniel x vance
        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


        masanga,
        Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
        what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
        masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
        you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
        At any rate, I wish you well.

        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
        >
        > Nathaniel,
        >
        > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
        that my
        > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
        great
        > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
        > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
        knowledge,
        > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
        desires,
        > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
        as
        > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
        > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
        said
        > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
        And
        > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
        children to
        > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
        for
        > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
        long
        > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
        > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
        encouragement
        > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
        mental age
        > down to absolute zero in time.
        >
        > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
        break
        > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
        don't
        > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
        in the
        > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
        suggest
        > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
        >
        > Sincerely,
        > Regan (masanga)
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: nathaniel x vance
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > Dear masanga,
        > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
        > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
        > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
        > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
        would
        > your answer be?
        > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
        > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
        Can
        > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
        a
        > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
        > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
        Obama,
        > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
        earth
        > would qualify.
        > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
        > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
        > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
        >
        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
        > >
        > > Dear Nathaniel,
        > >
        > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
        > certain
        > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
        > > wicked...."
        > >
        > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
        > of our
        > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
        anyone
        > else
        > > in this respect.
        > >
        > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
        would
        > win
        > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
        > >
        > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
        > needing any
        > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
        > "seemingly
        > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
        > seemed to
        > > have a clear run to me.
        > >
        > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
        > >
        > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
        > about
        > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
        > >
        > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
        > praises
        > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
        > asssisted
        > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
        > protected
        > > around the clock 24/7!!"
        > >
        > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
        > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
        > in
        > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
        > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
        up
        > to
        > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
        is
        > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
        > system
        > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
        where
        > the
        > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
        > the
        > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
        "Emperor").
        > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
        > office
        > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
        > for
        > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
        > >
        > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
        > She is
        > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
        > for the
        > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
        > >
        > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
        > I see
        > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
        > as you
        > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
        > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
        > think she
        > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
        > independent
        > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
        > the
        > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
        > anonymous
        > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
        > sheer
        > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
        > the
        > > terms.
        > >
        > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
        > and
        > > sconld...."
        > >
        > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
        > scold
        > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
        > and
        > > objectively.
        > >
        > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
        > morbid
        > > intransigence...."
        > >
        > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
        > compromise" and
        > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
        us
        > to
        > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
        > what
        > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
        > she
        > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
        price.
        > But
        > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
        > >
        > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
        re-appearance
        > of
        > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
        > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
        arguments."
        > >
        > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
        > we? Or
        > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
        > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
        > she has
        > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
        which
        > you
        > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
        > can
        > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
        > an
        > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
        > even
        > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
        > It is
        > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
        > to pay
        > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
        > high for
        > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
        > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
        own
        > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
        > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
        > lie the
        > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
        > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
        > >
        > > Regards,
        > > Regan
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: nathaniel x vance
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
        > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > > Dear Regan, Ted,
        > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
        > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
        the
        > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
        > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
        > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
        be
        > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
        team
        > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
        > this
        > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
        clock
        > > 24/7!!
        > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
        She
        > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
        > consciousness
        > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
        > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
        rediculed
        > > and sconld.
        > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
        > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
        > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
        > or
        > > less!
        > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
        arguments.
        > >
        > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
        > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
        > bitch
        > > at
        > > > times.
        > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
        me.
        > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
        slightest,
        > > the
        > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
        > count.
        > > And by
        > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
        > > >
        > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
        > FANNIE
        > > mae,
        > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
        > > would
        > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
        money
        > > into
        > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
        > idea,
        > > and
        > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
        > > things.
        > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
        > name
        > > for
        > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
        > > friends.
        > > > Good to see you're back.
        > > > Later...
        > > > Ted
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: masanga@
        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
        > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
        [11-08-08]
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > Hi Ted,
        > > > >
        > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
        > > to get
        > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
        > > eventually
        > > > > got
        > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
        me
        > in
        > > my
        > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
        days
        > > and was
        > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
        > > forum
        > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
        election
        > > of
        > > > > Barack
        > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
        > > them. The
        > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
        of
        > > joy in
        > > > > the
        > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
        new
        > > age has
        > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
        > > > > world-historic
        > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
        > here.
        > > Why
        > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
        > > > >
        > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
        > > election
        > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
        > > politicians
        > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
        view
        > > that
        > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
        > > constitutes
        > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
        > > the
        > > > > whole
        > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
        > > > > Lambremont
        > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
        to
        > > remove
        > > > > the
        > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
        > anything
        > > > > myself
        > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
        either.
        > > > >
        > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
        > > found no
        > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
        myself
        > > from
        > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
        > > whenever I
        > > > > am
        > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
        > > that
        > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
        don't
        > > want to
        > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
        spectacle
        > > may be.
        > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
        the
        > > Zeta -
        > > > > on
        > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
        those
        > > among us
        > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
        it.
        > > So my
        > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
        warning
        > in
        > > > > fact -
        > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
        cult-building
        > > > > activity
        > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
        > their
        > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
        to
        > > do
        > > > > that
        > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
        > > natural
        > > > > consequences of doing it.
        > > > >
        > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
        > > now
        > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
        > > > >
        > > > > Warm regards,
        > > > > Regan
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > From: Ted
        > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
        > [11-08-08]
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
        > > > > Well I meant a quote.
        > > > > .
        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > From: masanga@
        > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
        > [11-08-08]
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
        > > words of
        > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
        is
        > > > >> reported
        > > > >> to have said:
        > > > >>
        > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
        > > > >> fantasies
        > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Regan
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
        > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
        > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> ZetaTalk:
        > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
        > > > >>
        > > > >> written
        > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Questioner: Obama
        > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
        he
        > > did on
        > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
        out
        > > in his
        > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
        > new
        > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
        > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
        > The
        > > Zetas
        > > > >> have
        > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
        > > would
        > > > >> like
        > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
        > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
        X,
        > > and if
        > > > >> so
        > > > >> was
        > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
        > > Friday the
        > > > >> CNN
        > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
        > > "pause"
        > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
        > declined
        > > to
        > > > >> comment.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
        > consensus
        > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
        his
        > > heart
        > > > >> and
        > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
        > Obama
        > > looked
        > > > >> older
        > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
        the
        > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
        candidacy.
        > > Yet the
        > > > >> race
        > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
        > causing
        > > him
        > > > >> loss
        > > > >> of
        > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
        > > already
        > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
        world
        > > and
        > > > >> what
        > > > >> the
        > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
        also
        > > did not
        > > > >> learn
        > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
        > > company
        > > > >> crimes,
        > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
        > FBI
        > > and
        > > > >> the
        > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
        > > planetary
        > > > >> presence
        > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
        > had
        > > heard
        > > > >> the
        > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
        > relayed
        > > to
        > > > >> him
        > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
        > > confirmation.
        > > > >> Why would
        > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
        US
        > > > >> boundaries
        > > > >> are
        > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
        > cover-up,
        > > and
        > > > >> how
        > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
        > been
        > > > >> decided.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Zeta response: This
        > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
        options
        > > in the
        > > > >> future.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
        beliefs?
        > He
        > > is
        > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
        > > Lincoln
        > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > > > >> figuratively?
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
        > > recognize
        > > > >> early
        > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
        > case,
        > > he
        > > > >> was
        > > > >> a
        > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
        life
        > > > >> circumstances
        > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
        human
        > > body
        > > > >> and
        > > > >> mind
        > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
        > > conclusion
        > > > >> that
        > > > >> they have a new soul within.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> The
        > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Issue 104,
        > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Election
        > > > >> Results
        > > > >>
        > > > >> As predicted by
        > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
        > > state by
        > > > >> state,
        > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
        > > ended up
        > > > >> in
        > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
        to
        > > the
        > > > >> actual
        > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
        is
        > > Not
        > > > >> MOCKED!
        > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > ------------------------------------
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          You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
          head
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: <masanga@...>
          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          > Nathaniel,
          >
          > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
          >
          > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
          > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
          > of
          > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
          > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
          > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
          > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
          > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
          >
          > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
          > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
          > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
          > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
          > he
          > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
          >
          > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
          > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
          > date
          > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
          > to
          > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
          > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
          > commission without concerning myself with his too.
          >
          > Regan (masanga)
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: nathaniel x vance
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > masanga,
          > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
          > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
          > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
          > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
          > At any rate, I wish you well.
          >
          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
          >>
          >> Nathaniel,
          >>
          >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
          > that my
          >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
          > great
          >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
          >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
          > knowledge,
          >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
          > desires,
          >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
          > as
          >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
          >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
          > said
          >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
          > And
          >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
          > children to
          >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
          > for
          >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
          > long
          >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
          >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
          > encouragement
          >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
          > mental age
          >> down to absolute zero in time.
          >>
          >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
          > break
          >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
          > don't
          >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
          > in the
          >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
          > suggest
          >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
          >>
          >> Sincerely,
          >> Regan (masanga)
          >>
          >>
          >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> From: nathaniel x vance
          >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
          >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >>
          >>
          >> Dear masanga,
          >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
          >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
          >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
          >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
          > would
          >> your answer be?
          >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
          >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
          > Can
          >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
          > a
          >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
          >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
          > Obama,
          >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
          > earth
          >> would qualify.
          >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
          >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
          >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
          >>
          >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
          >> >
          >> > Dear Nathaniel,
          >> >
          >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          >> certain
          >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
          >> > wicked...."
          >> >
          >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
          >> of our
          >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
          > anyone
          >> else
          >> > in this respect.
          >> >
          >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
          > would
          >> win
          >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
          >> >
          >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
          >> needing any
          >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
          >> "seemingly
          >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
          >> seemed to
          >> > have a clear run to me.
          >> >
          >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
          >> >
          >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
          >> about
          >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
          >> >
          >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
          >> praises
          >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
          >> asssisted
          >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
          >> protected
          >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
          >> >
          >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
          >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
          >> in
          >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
          >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
          > up
          >> to
          >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
          > is
          >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
          >> system
          >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
          > where
          >> the
          >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
          >> the
          >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
          > "Emperor").
          >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
          >> office
          >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
          >> for
          >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
          >> >
          >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
          >> She is
          >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
          >> for the
          >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
          >> >
          >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
          >> I see
          >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
          >> as you
          >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
          >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
          >> think she
          >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
          >> independent
          >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
          >> the
          >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
          >> anonymous
          >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
          >> sheer
          >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
          >> the
          >> > terms.
          >> >
          >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
          >> and
          >> > sconld...."
          >> >
          >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
          >> scold
          >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
          >> and
          >> > objectively.
          >> >
          >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
          >> morbid
          >> > intransigence...."
          >> >
          >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
          >> compromise" and
          >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
          > us
          >> to
          >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
          >> what
          >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
          >> she
          >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
          > price.
          >> But
          >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
          >> >
          >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          > re-appearance
          >> of
          >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
          >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
          > arguments."
          >> >
          >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
          >> we? Or
          >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
          >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
          >> she has
          >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
          > which
          >> you
          >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
          >> can
          >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
          >> an
          >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
          >> even
          >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
          >> It is
          >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
          >> to pay
          >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
          >> high for
          >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
          >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
          > own
          >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
          >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
          >> lie the
          >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
          >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
          >> >
          >> > Regards,
          >> > Regan
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > ----- Original Message -----
          >> > From: nathaniel x vance
          >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
          >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >> >
          >> >
          >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
          >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
          > the
          >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
          >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
          >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
          > be
          >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
          > team
          >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
          >> this
          >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
          > clock
          >> > 24/7!!
          >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
          > She
          >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
          >> consciousness
          >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
          >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
          > rediculed
          >> > and sconld.
          >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
          >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
          >> or
          >> > less!
          >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
          > arguments.
          >> >
          >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
          >> > >
          >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
          >> bitch
          >> > at
          >> > > times.
          >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
          > me.
          >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
          > slightest,
          >> > the
          >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
          >> count.
          >> > And by
          >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
          >> > >
          >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
          >> FANNIE
          >> > mae,
          >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
          >> > would
          >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
          > money
          >> > into
          >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
          >> idea,
          >> > and
          >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
          >> > things.
          >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
          >> name
          >> > for
          >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
          >> > friends.
          >> > > Good to see you're back.
          >> > > Later...
          >> > > Ted
          >> > > ----- Original Message -----
          >> > > From: masanga@
          >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          > [11-08-08]
          >> > >
          >> > >
          >> > > > Hi Ted,
          >> > > >
          >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
          >> > to get
          >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
          >> > eventually
          >> > > > got
          >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
          > me
          >> in
          >> > my
          >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
          > days
          >> > and was
          >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
          >> > forum
          >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
          > election
          >> > of
          >> > > > Barack
          >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
          >> > them. The
          >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
          > of
          >> > joy in
          >> > > > the
          >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
          > new
          >> > age has
          >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          >> > > > world-historic
          >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
          >> here.
          >> > Why
          >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
          >> > > >
          >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
          >> > election
          >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
          >> > politicians
          >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
          > view
          >> > that
          >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
          >> > constitutes
          >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
          >> > the
          >> > > > whole
          >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          >> > > > Lambremont
          >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
          > to
          >> > remove
          >> > > > the
          >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
          >> anything
          >> > > > myself
          >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
          > either.
          >> > > >
          >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
          >> > found no
          >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
          > myself
          >> > from
          >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
          >> > whenever I
          >> > > > am
          >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
          >> > that
          >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
          > don't
          >> > want to
          >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
          > spectacle
          >> > may be.
          >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
          > the
          >> > Zeta -
          >> > > > on
          >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
          > those
          >> > among us
          >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
          > it.
          >> > So my
          >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
          > warning
          >> in
          >> > > > fact -
          >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
          > cult-building
          >> > > > activity
          >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
          >> their
          >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
          > to
          >> > do
          >> > > > that
          >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
          >> > natural
          >> > > > consequences of doing it.
          >> > > >
          >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
          >> > now
          >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          >> > > >
          >> > > > Warm regards,
          >> > > > Regan
          >> > > >
          >> > > >
          >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
          >> > > > From: Ted
          >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          >> [11-08-08]
          >> > > >
          >> > > >
          >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
          >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
          >> > > > .
          >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
          >> > > > From: masanga@
          >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          >> [11-08-08]
          >> > > >
          >> > > >
          >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
          >> > words of
          >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
          > is
          >> > > >> reported
          >> > > >> to have said:
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          >> > > >> fantasies
          >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> Regan
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
          >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
          >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> written
          >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
          >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
          > he
          >> > did on
          >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
          > out
          >> > in his
          >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
          >> new
          >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
          >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
          >> The
          >> > Zetas
          >> > > >> have
          >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
          >> > would
          >> > > >> like
          >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
          >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
          > X,
          >> > and if
          >> > > >> so
          >> > > >> was
          >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
          >> > Friday the
          >> > > >> CNN
          >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
          >> > "pause"
          >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
          >> declined
          >> > to
          >> > > >> comment.
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
          >> consensus
          >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
          > his
          >> > heart
          >> > > >> and
          >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
          >> Obama
          >> > looked
          >> > > >> older
          >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
          > the
          >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
          > candidacy.
          >> > Yet the
          >> > > >> race
          >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
          >> causing
          >> > him
          >> > > >> loss
          >> > > >> of
          >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
          >> > already
          >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
          > world
          >> > and
          >> > > >> what
          >> > > >> the
          >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
          > also
          >> > did not
          >> > > >> learn
          >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
          >> > company
          >> > > >> crimes,
          >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
          >> FBI
          >> > and
          >> > > >> the
          >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
          >> > planetary
          >> > > >> presence
          >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
          >> had
          >> > heard
          >> > > >> the
          >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
          >> relayed
          >> > to
          >> > > >> him
          >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
          >> > confirmation.
          >> > > >> Why would
          >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
          > US
          >> > > >> boundaries
          >> > > >> are
          >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
          >> cover-up,
          >> > and
          >> > > >> how
          >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
          >> been
          >> > > >> decided.
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> Zeta response: This
          >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
          > options
          >> > in the
          >> > > >> future.
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
          > beliefs?
          >> He
          >> > is
          >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
          >> > Lincoln
          >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          >> > > >> figuratively?
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
          >> > recognize
          >> > > >> early
          >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
          >> case,
          >> > he
          >> > > >> was
          >> > > >> a
          >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
          > life
          >> > > >> circumstances
          >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
          > human
          >> > body
          >> > > >> and
          >> > > >> mind
          >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
          >> > conclusion
          >> > > >> that
          >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> The
          >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> Issue 104,
          >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> Election
          >> > > >> Results
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> As predicted by
          >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
          >> > state by
          >> > > >> state,
          >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
          >> > ended up
          >> > > >> in
          >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
          > to
          >> > the
          >> > > >> actual
          >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          >> > > >>
          >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
          > is
          >> > Not
          >> > > >> MOCKED!
          >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
          >> > > >
          >> > > >
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        • masanga@talktalk.net
          I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
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            I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

            But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
            understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
            clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
            appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
            concerned.

            However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
            obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
            should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Ted
            To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
            head
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: <masanga@...>
            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            > Nathaniel,
            >
            > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
            >
            > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
            > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
            > of
            > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
            > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
            > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
            > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
            > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
            >
            > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
            > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
            > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
            > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
            > he
            > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
            >
            > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
            > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
            > date
            > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
            > to
            > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
            > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
            > commission without concerning myself with his too.
            >
            > Regan (masanga)
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: nathaniel x vance
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > masanga,
            > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
            > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
            > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
            > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
            > At any rate, I wish you well.
            >
            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
            >>
            >> Nathaniel,
            >>
            >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
            > that my
            >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
            > great
            >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
            >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
            > knowledge,
            >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
            > desires,
            >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
            > as
            >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
            >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
            > said
            >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
            > And
            >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
            > children to
            >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
            > for
            >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
            > long
            >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
            >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
            > encouragement
            >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
            > mental age
            >> down to absolute zero in time.
            >>
            >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
            > break
            >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
            > don't
            >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
            > in the
            >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
            > suggest
            >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
            >>
            >> Sincerely,
            >> Regan (masanga)
            >>
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: nathaniel x vance
            >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
            >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >>
            >>
            >> Dear masanga,
            >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
            >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
            >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
            >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
            > would
            >> your answer be?
            >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
            >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
            > Can
            >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
            > a
            >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
            >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
            > Obama,
            >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
            > earth
            >> would qualify.
            >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
            >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
            >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
            >>
            >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
            >> >
            >> > Dear Nathaniel,
            >> >
            >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            >> certain
            >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
            >> > wicked...."
            >> >
            >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
            >> of our
            >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
            > anyone
            >> else
            >> > in this respect.
            >> >
            >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
            > would
            >> win
            >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
            >> >
            >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
            >> needing any
            >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
            >> "seemingly
            >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
            >> seemed to
            >> > have a clear run to me.
            >> >
            >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
            >> >
            >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
            >> about
            >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
            >> >
            >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
            >> praises
            >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
            >> asssisted
            >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
            >> protected
            >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
            >> >
            >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
            >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
            >> in
            >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
            >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
            > up
            >> to
            >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
            > is
            >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
            >> system
            >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
            > where
            >> the
            >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
            >> the
            >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
            > "Emperor").
            >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
            >> office
            >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
            >> for
            >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
            >> >
            >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
            >> She is
            >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
            >> for the
            >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
            >> >
            >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
            >> I see
            >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
            >> as you
            >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
            >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
            >> think she
            >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
            >> independent
            >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
            >> the
            >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
            >> anonymous
            >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
            >> sheer
            >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
            >> the
            >> > terms.
            >> >
            >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
            >> and
            >> > sconld...."
            >> >
            >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
            >> scold
            >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
            >> and
            >> > objectively.
            >> >
            >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
            >> morbid
            >> > intransigence...."
            >> >
            >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
            >> compromise" and
            >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
            > us
            >> to
            >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
            >> what
            >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
            >> she
            >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
            > price.
            >> But
            >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
            >> >
            >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            > re-appearance
            >> of
            >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
            >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
            > arguments."
            >> >
            >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
            >> we? Or
            >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
            >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
            >> she has
            >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
            > which
            >> you
            >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
            >> can
            >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
            >> an
            >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
            >> even
            >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
            >> It is
            >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
            >> to pay
            >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
            >> high for
            >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
            >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
            > own
            >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
            >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
            >> lie the
            >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
            >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
            >> >
            >> > Regards,
            >> > Regan
            >> >
            >> >
            >> > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > From: nathaniel x vance
            >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
            >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >> >
            >> >
            >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
            >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
            > the
            >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
            >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
            >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
            > be
            >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
            > team
            >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
            >> this
            >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
            > clock
            >> > 24/7!!
            >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
            > She
            >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
            >> consciousness
            >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
            >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
            > rediculed
            >> > and sconld.
            >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
            >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
            >> or
            >> > less!
            >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
            > arguments.
            >> >
            >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
            >> > >
            >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
            >> bitch
            >> > at
            >> > > times.
            >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
            > me.
            >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
            > slightest,
            >> > the
            >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
            >> count.
            >> > And by
            >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
            >> > >
            >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
            >> FANNIE
            >> > mae,
            >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
            >> > would
            >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
            > money
            >> > into
            >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
            >> idea,
            >> > and
            >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
            >> > things.
            >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
            >> name
            >> > for
            >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
            >> > friends.
            >> > > Good to see you're back.
            >> > > Later...
            >> > > Ted
            >> > > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > > From: masanga@
            >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            > [11-08-08]
            >> > >
            >> > >
            >> > > > Hi Ted,
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
            >> > to get
            >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
            >> > eventually
            >> > > > got
            >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
            > me
            >> in
            >> > my
            >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
            > days
            >> > and was
            >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
            >> > forum
            >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
            > election
            >> > of
            >> > > > Barack
            >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
            >> > them. The
            >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
            > of
            >> > joy in
            >> > > > the
            >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
            > new
            >> > age has
            >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            >> > > > world-historic
            >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
            >> here.
            >> > Why
            >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
            >> > election
            >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
            >> > politicians
            >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
            > view
            >> > that
            >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
            >> > constitutes
            >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
            >> > the
            >> > > > whole
            >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            >> > > > Lambremont
            >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
            > to
            >> > remove
            >> > > > the
            >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
            >> anything
            >> > > > myself
            >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
            > either.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
            >> > found no
            >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
            > myself
            >> > from
            >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
            >> > whenever I
            >> > > > am
            >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
            >> > that
            >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
            > don't
            >> > want to
            >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
            > spectacle
            >> > may be.
            >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
            > the
            >> > Zeta -
            >> > > > on
            >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
            > those
            >> > among us
            >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
            > it.
            >> > So my
            >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
            > warning
            >> in
            >> > > > fact -
            >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
            > cult-building
            >> > > > activity
            >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
            >> their
            >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
            > to
            >> > do
            >> > > > that
            >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
            >> > natural
            >> > > > consequences of doing it.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
            >> > now
            >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Warm regards,
            >> > > > Regan
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > > > From: Ted
            >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            >> [11-08-08]
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
            >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
            >> > > > .
            >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > > > From: masanga@
            >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            >> [11-08-08]
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
            >> > words of
            >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
            > is
            >> > > >> reported
            >> > > >> to have said:
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            >> > > >> fantasies
            >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Regan
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
            >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
            >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> written
            >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
            >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
            > he
            >> > did on
            >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
            > out
            >> > in his
            >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
            >> new
            >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
            >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
            >> The
            >> > Zetas
            >> > > >> have
            >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
            >> > would
            >> > > >> like
            >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
            >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
            > X,
            >> > and if
            >> > > >> so
            >> > > >> was
            >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
            >> > Friday the
            >> > > >> CNN
            >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
            >> > "pause"
            >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
            >> declined
            >> > to
            >> > > >> comment.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
            >> consensus
            >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
            > his
            >> > heart
            >> > > >> and
            >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
            >> Obama
            >> > looked
            >> > > >> older
            >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
            > the
            >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
            > candidacy.
            >> > Yet the
            >> > > >> race
            >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
            >> causing
            >> > him
            >> > > >> loss
            >> > > >> of
            >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
            >> > already
            >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
            > world
            >> > and
            >> > > >> what
            >> > > >> the
            >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
            > also
            >> > did not
            >> > > >> learn
            >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
            >> > company
            >> > > >> crimes,
            >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
            >> FBI
            >> > and
            >> > > >> the
            >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
            >> > planetary
            >> > > >> presence
            >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
            >> had
            >> > heard
            >> > > >> the
            >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
            >> relayed
            >> > to
            >> > > >> him
            >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
            >> > confirmation.
            >> > > >> Why would
            >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
            > US
            >> > > >> boundaries
            >> > > >> are
            >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
            >> cover-up,
            >> > and
            >> > > >> how
            >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
            >> been
            >> > > >> decided.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Zeta response: This
            >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
            > options
            >> > in the
            >> > > >> future.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
            > beliefs?
            >> He
            >> > is
            >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
            >> > Lincoln
            >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            >> > > >> figuratively?
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
            >> > recognize
            >> > > >> early
            >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
            >> case,
            >> > he
            >> > > >> was
            >> > > >> a
            >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
            > life
            >> > > >> circumstances
            >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
            > human
            >> > body
            >> > > >> and
            >> > > >> mind
            >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
            >> > conclusion
            >> > > >> that
            >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> The
            >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Issue 104,
            >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Election
            >> > > >> Results
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> As predicted by
            >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
            >> > state by
            >> > > >> state,
            >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
            >> > ended up
            >> > > >> in
            >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
            > to
            >> > the
            >> > > >> actual
            >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
            > is
            >> > Not
            >> > > >> MOCKED!
            >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > ------------------------------------
          • Ted
            Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
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              Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
              Nancy's groupies.
              He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
              Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
              wearing no close
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: <masanga@...>
              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
              >
              > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
              > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
              > be
              > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
              > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
              > concerned.
              >
              > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
              > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
              > he
              > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Ted
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
              > his
              > head
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: <masanga@...>
              > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              >> Nathaniel,
              >>
              >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
              >>
              >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
              >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
              >> of
              >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
              >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
              >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
              >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
              >> have
              >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
              >>
              >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
              >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
              >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
              >> my
              >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
              >> he
              >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
              >>
              >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
              >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
              >> date
              >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
              >> to
              >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
              >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
              >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
              >>
              >> Regan (masanga)
              >>
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: nathaniel x vance
              >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
              >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>
              >>
              >> masanga,
              >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
              >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
              >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
              >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
              >> At any rate, I wish you well.
              >>
              >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
              >>>
              >>> Nathaniel,
              >>>
              >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
              >> that my
              >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
              >> great
              >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
              >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
              >> knowledge,
              >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
              >> desires,
              >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
              >> as
              >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
              >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
              >> said
              >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
              >> And
              >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
              >> children to
              >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
              >> for
              >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
              >> long
              >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
              >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
              >> encouragement
              >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
              >> mental age
              >>> down to absolute zero in time.
              >>>
              >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
              >> break
              >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
              >> don't
              >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
              >> in the
              >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
              >> suggest
              >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
              >>>
              >>> Sincerely,
              >>> Regan (masanga)
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> ----- Original Message -----
              >>> From: nathaniel x vance
              >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
              >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> Dear masanga,
              >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
              >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
              >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
              >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
              >> would
              >>> your answer be?
              >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
              >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
              >> Can
              >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
              >> a
              >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
              >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
              >> Obama,
              >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
              >> earth
              >>> would qualify.
              >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
              >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
              >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
              >>>
              >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
              >>> >
              >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
              >>> >
              >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              >>> certain
              >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
              >>> > wicked...."
              >>> >
              >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
              >>> of our
              >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
              >> anyone
              >>> else
              >>> > in this respect.
              >>> >
              >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
              >> would
              >>> win
              >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
              >>> >
              >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
              >>> needing any
              >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
              >>> "seemingly
              >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
              >>> seemed to
              >>> > have a clear run to me.
              >>> >
              >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
              >>> >
              >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
              >>> about
              >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
              >>> >
              >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
              >>> praises
              >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
              >>> asssisted
              >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
              >>> protected
              >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
              >>> >
              >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
              >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
              >>> in
              >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
              >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
              >> up
              >>> to
              >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
              >> is
              >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
              >>> system
              >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
              >> where
              >>> the
              >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
              >>> the
              >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
              >> "Emperor").
              >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
              >>> office
              >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
              >>> for
              >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
              >>> >
              >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              >>> She is
              >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
              >>> for the
              >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
              >>> >
              >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
              >>> I see
              >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
              >>> as you
              >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
              >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
              >>> think she
              >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
              >>> independent
              >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
              >>> the
              >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
              >>> anonymous
              >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
              >>> sheer
              >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
              >>> the
              >>> > terms.
              >>> >
              >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              >>> and
              >>> > sconld...."
              >>> >
              >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
              >>> scold
              >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
              >>> and
              >>> > objectively.
              >>> >
              >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
              >>> morbid
              >>> > intransigence...."
              >>> >
              >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
              >>> compromise" and
              >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
              >> us
              >>> to
              >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
              >>> what
              >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
              >>> she
              >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
              >> price.
              >>> But
              >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
              >>> >
              >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              >> re-appearance
              >>> of
              >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
              >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
              >> arguments."
              >>> >
              >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
              >>> we? Or
              >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
              >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
              >>> she has
              >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
              >> which
              >>> you
              >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
              >>> can
              >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
              >>> an
              >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
              >>> even
              >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
              >>> It is
              >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
              >>> to pay
              >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
              >>> high for
              >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
              >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
              >> own
              >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
              >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
              >>> lie the
              >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
              >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
              >>> >
              >>> > Regards,
              >>> > Regan
              >>> >
              >>> >
              >>> > ----- Original Message -----
              >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
              >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
              >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>> >
              >>> >
              >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
              >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
              >> the
              >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
              >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
              >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
              >> be
              >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
              >> team
              >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
              >>> this
              >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
              >> clock
              >>> > 24/7!!
              >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              >> She
              >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
              >>> consciousness
              >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
              >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
              >> rediculed
              >>> > and sconld.
              >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
              >>> or
              >>> > less!
              >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
              >> arguments.
              >>> >
              >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
              >>> > >
              >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
              >>> bitch
              >>> > at
              >>> > > times.
              >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
              >> me.
              >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
              >> slightest,
              >>> > the
              >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
              >>> count.
              >>> > And by
              >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              >>> > >
              >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
              >>> FANNIE
              >>> > mae,
              >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              >>> > would
              >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
              >> money
              >>> > into
              >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
              >>> idea,
              >>> > and
              >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              >>> > things.
              >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
              >>> name
              >>> > for
              >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              >>> > friends.
              >>> > > Good to see you're back.
              >>> > > Later...
              >>> > > Ted
              >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
              >>> > > From: masanga@
              >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              >> [11-08-08]
              >>> > >
              >>> > >
              >>> > > > Hi Ted,
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              >>> > to get
              >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              >>> > eventually
              >>> > > > got
              >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
              >> me
              >>> in
              >>> > my
              >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
              >> days
              >>> > and was
              >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              >>> > forum
              >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
              >> election
              >>> > of
              >>> > > > Barack
              >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              >>> > them. The
              >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
              >> of
              >>> > joy in
              >>> > > > the
              >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
              >> new
              >>> > age has
              >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              >>> > > > world-historic
              >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
              >>> here.
              >>> > Why
              >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              >>> > election
              >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              >>> > politicians
              >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
              >> view
              >>> > that
              >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              >>> > constitutes
              >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              >>> > the
              >>> > > > whole
              >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              >>> > > > Lambremont
              >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
              >> to
              >>> > remove
              >>> > > > the
              >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
              >>> anything
              >>> > > > myself
              >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
              >> either.
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              >>> > found no
              >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
              >> myself
              >>> > from
              >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              >>> > whenever I
              >>> > > > am
              >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              >>> > that
              >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
              >> don't
              >>> > want to
              >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
              >> spectacle
              >>> > may be.
              >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
              >> the
              >>> > Zeta -
              >>> > > > on
              >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
              >> those
              >>> > among us
              >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
              >> it.
              >>> > So my
              >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
              >> warning
              >>> in
              >>> > > > fact -
              >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
              >> cult-building
              >>> > > > activity
              >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
              >>> their
              >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
              >> to
              >>> > do
              >>> > > > that
              >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              >>> > natural
              >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              >>> > now
              >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > > Warm regards,
              >>> > > > Regan
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
              >>> > > > From: Ted
              >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              >>> [11-08-08]
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
              >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
              >>> > > > .
              >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
              >>> > > > From: masanga@
              >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              >>> [11-08-08]
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              >>> > words of
              >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
              >> is
              >>> > > >> reported
              >>> > > >> to have said:
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              >>> > > >> fantasies
              >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> Regan
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
              >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
              >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> written
              >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
              >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
              >> he
              >>> > did on
              >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
              >> out
              >>> > in his
              >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
              >>> new
              >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
              >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
              >>> The
              >>> > Zetas
              >>> > > >> have
              >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              >>> > would
              >>> > > >> like
              >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
              >> X,
              >>> > and if
              >>> > > >> so
              >>> > > >> was
              >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              >>> > Friday the
              >>> > > >> CNN
              >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              >>> > "pause"
              >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
              >>> declined
              >>> > to
              >>> > > >> comment.
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
              >>> consensus
              >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
              >> his
              >>> > heart
              >>> > > >> and
              >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
              >>> Obama
              >>> > looked
              >>> > > >> older
              >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
              >> the
              >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
              >> candidacy.
              >>> > Yet the
              >>> > > >> race
              >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
              >>> causing
              >>> > him
              >>> > > >> loss
              >>> > > >> of
              >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              >>> > already
              >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
              >> world
              >>> > and
              >>> > > >> what
              >>> > > >> the
              >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
              >> also
              >>> > did not
              >>> > > >> learn
              >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              >>> > company
              >>> > > >> crimes,
              >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
              >>> FBI
              >>> > and
              >>> > > >> the
              >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              >>> > planetary
              >>> > > >> presence
              >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
              >>> had
              >>> > heard
              >>> > > >> the
              >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
              >>> relayed
              >>> > to
              >>> > > >> him
              >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              >>> > confirmation.
              >>> > > >> Why would
              >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
              >> US
              >>> > > >> boundaries
              >>> > > >> are
              >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
              >>> cover-up,
              >>> > and
              >>> > > >> how
              >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
              >>> been
              >>> > > >> decided.
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
              >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
              >> options
              >>> > in the
              >>> > > >> future.
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
              >> beliefs?
              >>> He
              >>> > is
              >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              >>> > Lincoln
              >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              >>> > > >> figuratively?
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              >>> > recognize
              >>> > > >> early
              >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
              >>> case,
              >>> > he
              >>> > > >> was
              >>> > > >> a
              >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
              >> life
              >>> > > >> circumstances
              >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
              >> human
              >>> > body
              >>> > > >> and
              >>> > > >> mind
              >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              >>> > conclusion
              >>> > > >> that
              >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> The
              >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> Issue 104,
              >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> Election
              >>> > > >> Results
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> As predicted by
              >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              >>> > state by
              >>> > > >> state,
              >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              >>> > ended up
              >>> > > >> in
              >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
              >> to
              >>> > the
              >>> > > >> actual
              >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              >>> > > >>
              >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
              >> is
              >>> > Not
              >>> > > >> MOCKED!
              >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > >
              >>> > > > ------------------------------------
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
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              >
              >
              >
            • nathaniel x vance
              Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
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                Dear Brother masanga,
                Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                rebellion out in me.
                Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                co-existence will be the order of the future!
                Please pardon me.

                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                >
                > Nathaniel,
                >
                > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                >
                > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                about
                > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                know of
                > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                universe, I
                > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                have
                > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                >
                > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                divine
                > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                in my
                > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                that he
                > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                >
                > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                presume to
                > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                date
                > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                mystery to
                > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                divine
                > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                >
                > Regan (masanga)
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: nathaniel x vance
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > masanga,
                > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                > At any rate, I wish you well.
                >
                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                > >
                > > Nathaniel,
                > >
                > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                > that my
                > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                > great
                > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                > knowledge,
                > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                > desires,
                > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                things
                > as
                > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                will
                > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                > said
                > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                > And
                > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                > children to
                > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                you
                > for
                > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                worked
                > long
                > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                both
                > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                > encouragement
                > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                > mental age
                > > down to absolute zero in time.
                > >
                > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                > break
                > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                > don't
                > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                me
                > in the
                > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                > suggest
                > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                up.
                > >
                > > Sincerely,
                > > Regan (masanga)
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: nathaniel x vance
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > > Dear masanga,
                > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                answer
                > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                our
                > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                > would
                > > your answer be?
                > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                before
                > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                > Can
                > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                see
                > a
                > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                details
                > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                > Obama,
                > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                > earth
                > > would qualify.
                > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                > >
                > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                > > >
                > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                a
                > > certain
                > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                greedy
                > > > wicked...."
                > > >
                > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                > > of our
                > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                > anyone
                > > else
                > > > in this respect.
                > > >
                > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                > would
                > > win
                > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                > > >
                > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                > > needing any
                > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                > > "seemingly
                > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                > > seemed to
                > > > have a clear run to me.
                > > >
                > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                > > >
                > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                > > about
                > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                > > >
                > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                > > praises
                > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                > > asssisted
                > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                > > protected
                > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                > > >
                > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                really
                > > in
                > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                dominance?
                > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                > up
                > > to
                > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                > is
                > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                a
                > > system
                > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                > where
                > > the
                > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                become
                > > the
                > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                > "Emperor").
                > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                > > office
                > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                credit
                > > for
                > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                me.
                > > >
                > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                cult!
                > > She is
                > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                consciousness
                > > for the
                > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                > > >
                > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                > > I see
                > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                be
                > > as you
                > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                for
                > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                > > think she
                > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                > > independent
                > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                asserting
                > > the
                > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                > > anonymous
                > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                on
                > > sheer
                > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                of
                > > the
                > > > terms.
                > > >
                > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                rediculed
                > > and
                > > > sconld...."
                > > >
                > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                > > scold
                > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                impartially
                > > and
                > > > objectively.
                > > >
                > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                > > morbid
                > > > intransigence...."
                > > >
                > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                > > compromise" and
                > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                > us
                > > to
                > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                wonder
                > > what
                > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                > > she
                > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                > price.
                > > But
                > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                ours.
                > > >
                > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                > re-appearance
                > > of
                > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                > arguments."
                > > >
                > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                > > we? Or
                > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                absurd
                > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                which
                > > she has
                > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                > which
                > > you
                > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                she
                > > can
                > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                into
                > > an
                > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                > > even
                > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                intelligence?
                > > It is
                > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                willing
                > > to pay
                > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                > > high for
                > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                "full
                > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                > own
                > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                a
                > > lie the
                > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                > > >
                > > > Regards,
                > > > Regan
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                [11-08-08]
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                > the
                > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                that
                > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                against
                > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                should
                > be
                > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                > team
                > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                > > this
                > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                > clock
                > > > 24/7!!
                > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                > She
                > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                > > consciousness
                > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                > rediculed
                > > > and sconld.
                > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                morbid
                > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                years
                > > or
                > > > less!
                > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                > arguments.
                > > >
                > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                > > bitch
                > > > at
                > > > > times.
                > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                > me.
                > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                > slightest,
                > > > the
                > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                > > count.
                > > > And by
                > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                > > > >
                > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                > > FANNIE
                > > > mae,
                > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                One
                > > > would
                > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                > money
                > > > into
                > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                > > idea,
                > > > and
                > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                damn
                > > > things.
                > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                > > name
                > > > for
                > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                > > > friends.
                > > > > Good to see you're back.
                > > > > Later...
                > > > > Ted
                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > From: masanga@
                > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                > [11-08-08]
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > > Hi Ted,
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                > > > to get
                > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                > > > eventually
                > > > > > got
                > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                > me
                > > in
                > > > my
                > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                > days
                > > > and was
                > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                this
                > > > forum
                > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                > election
                > > > of
                > > > > > Barack
                > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                of
                > > > them. The
                > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                > of
                > > > joy in
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                > new
                > > > age has
                > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                > > > > > world-historic
                > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                > > here.
                > > > Why
                > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                > > > election
                > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                > > > politicians
                > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                > view
                > > > that
                > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                > > > constitutes
                > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                in
                > > > the
                > > > > > whole
                > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                Alfred
                > > > > > Lambremont
                > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                > to
                > > > remove
                > > > > > the
                > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                > > anything
                > > > > > myself
                > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                > either.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                > > > found no
                > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                > myself
                > > > from
                > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                > > > whenever I
                > > > > > am
                > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                performed
                > > > that
                > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                > don't
                > > > want to
                > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                > spectacle
                > > > may be.
                > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                > the
                > > > Zeta -
                > > > > > on
                > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                > those
                > > > among us
                > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                > it.
                > > > So my
                > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                > warning
                > > in
                > > > > > fact -
                > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                > cult-building
                > > > > > activity
                > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                > > their
                > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                freedom
                > to
                > > > do
                > > > > > that
                > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                > > > natural
                > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                > > > now
                > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Warm regards,
                > > > > > Regan
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > From: Ted
                > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                > > [11-08-08]
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                > > > > > .
                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > > From: masanga@
                > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                > > [11-08-08]
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                > > > words of
                > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                who
                > is
                > > > > >> reported
                > > > > >> to have said:
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                > > > > >> fantasies
                > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> Regan
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                ;
                > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                ;
                > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                ;
                > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                [11-08-08]
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> written
                > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                > he
                > > > did on
                > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                > out
                > > > in his
                > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                the
                > > new
                > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                shift?
                > > The
                > > > Zetas
                > > > > >> have
                > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                I
                > > > would
                > > > > >> like
                > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                > X,
                > > > and if
                > > > > >> so
                > > > > >> was
                > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                > > > Friday the
                > > > > >> CNN
                > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                > > > "pause"
                > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                4th
                > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                > > declined
                > > > to
                > > > > >> comment.
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                > > consensus
                > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                > his
                > > > heart
                > > > > >> and
                > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                > > Obama
                > > > looked
                > > > > >> older
                > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                > the
                > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                > candidacy.
                > > > Yet the
                > > > > >> race
                > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                > > causing
                > > > him
                > > > > >> loss
                > > > > >> of
                > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                not
                > > > already
                > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                > world
                > > > and
                > > > > >> what
                > > > > >> the
                > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                > also
                > > > did not
                > > > > >> learn
                > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                > > > company
                > > > > >> crimes,
                > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                the
                > > FBI
                > > > and
                > > > > >> the
                > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                > > > planetary
                > > > > >> presence
                > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                He
                > > had
                > > > heard
                > > > > >> the
                > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                > > relayed
                > > > to
                > > > > >> him
                > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                > > > confirmation.
                > > > > >> Why would
                > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                > US
                > > > > >> boundaries
                > > > > >> are
                > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                > > cover-up,
                > > > and
                > > > > >> how
                > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                > > been
                > > > > >> decided.
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                > options
                > > > in the
                > > > > >> future.
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                > beliefs?
                > > He
                > > > is
                > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                is
                > > > Lincoln
                > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                > > > > >> figuratively?
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                > > > recognize
                > > > > >> early
                > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                > > case,
                > > > he
                > > > > >> was
                > > > > >> a
                > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                > life
                > > > > >> circumstances
                > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                > human
                > > > body
                > > > > >> and
                > > > > >> mind
                > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                > > > conclusion
                > > > > >> that
                > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> The
                > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> Issue 104,
                > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> Election
                > > > > >> Results
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> As predicted by
                > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                result,
                > > > state by
                > > > > >> state,
                > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                McCain
                > > > ended up
                > > > > >> in
                > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                > to
                > > > the
                > > > > >> actual
                > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                > > > > >>
                > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                GOD
                > is
                > > > Not
                > > > > >> MOCKED!
                > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                > > > > >
                > > > > >
                > > > > > ------------------------------------
                >
              • nathaniel x vance
                Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
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                  Okay Mr. Ted,
                  I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                  scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                  two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                  think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                  wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                  he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                  Messiah/Mahdi?
                  We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                  Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                  scratching his
                  > head
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: masanga@...
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > > Nathaniel,
                  > >
                  > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                  > >
                  > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                  about
                  > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                  know
                  > > of
                  > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                  > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                  > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                  universe, I
                  > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                  I have
                  > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                  > >
                  > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                  divine
                  > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                  > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                  in my
                  > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                  that
                  > > he
                  > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                  > >
                  > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                  presume to
                  > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                  to
                  > > date
                  > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                  mystery
                  > > to
                  > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                  > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                  divine
                  > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                  > >
                  > > Regan (masanga)
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                  > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > masanga,
                  > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                  about
                  > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                  > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                  If
                  > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                  > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                  > >
                  > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                  > >>
                  > >> Nathaniel,
                  > >>
                  > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                  > > that my
                  > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                  > > great
                  > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                  have
                  > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                  > > knowledge,
                  > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                  > > desires,
                  > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                  things
                  > > as
                  > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                  will
                  > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                  > > said
                  > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                  > > And
                  > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                  > > children to
                  > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                  you
                  > > for
                  > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                  worked
                  > > long
                  > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                  both
                  > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                  > > encouragement
                  > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                  > > mental age
                  > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                  > >>
                  > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                  > > break
                  > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                  > > don't
                  > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                  me
                  > > in the
                  > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                  > > suggest
                  > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                  up.
                  > >>
                  > >> Sincerely,
                  > >> Regan (masanga)
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                  > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >> Dear masanga,
                  > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                  answer
                  > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                  > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                  our
                  > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                  > > would
                  > >> your answer be?
                  > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                  before
                  > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                  qualifications;
                  > > Can
                  > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                  see
                  > > a
                  > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                  details
                  > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                  > > Obama,
                  > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                  > > earth
                  > >> would qualify.
                  > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                  > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                  > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                  > >>
                  > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                  > >> >
                  > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                  > >> >
                  > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                  a
                  > >> certain
                  > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                  greedy
                  > >> > wicked...."
                  > >> >
                  > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                  > >> of our
                  > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                  > > anyone
                  > >> else
                  > >> > in this respect.
                  > >> >
                  > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                  > > would
                  > >> win
                  > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                  > >> >
                  > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                  > >> needing any
                  > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                  > >> "seemingly
                  > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                  > >> seemed to
                  > >> > have a clear run to me.
                  > >> >
                  > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                  > >> >
                  > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                  > >> about
                  > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                  > >> >
                  > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                  and
                  > >> praises
                  > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                  who
                  > >> asssisted
                  > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                  > >> protected
                  > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                  > >> >
                  > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                  > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                  really
                  > >> in
                  > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                  dominance?
                  > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                  facing
                  > > up
                  > >> to
                  > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                  which
                  > > is
                  > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                  a
                  > >> system
                  > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                  > > where
                  > >> the
                  > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                  become
                  > >> the
                  > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                  > > "Emperor").
                  > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                  > >> office
                  > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                  credit
                  > >> for
                  > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                  me.
                  > >> >
                  > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                  cult!
                  > >> She is
                  > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  consciousness
                  > >> for the
                  > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  righteous."
                  > >> >
                  > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                  > >> I see
                  > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                  be
                  > >> as you
                  > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                  for
                  > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                  > >> think she
                  > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                  > >> independent
                  > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                  asserting
                  > >> the
                  > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                  > >> anonymous
                  > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                  on
                  > >> sheer
                  > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                  of
                  > >> the
                  > >> > terms.
                  > >> >
                  > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                  rediculed
                  > >> and
                  > >> > sconld...."
                  > >> >
                  > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                  > >> scold
                  > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                  impartially
                  > >> and
                  > >> > objectively.
                  > >> >
                  > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  > >> morbid
                  > >> > intransigence...."
                  > >> >
                  > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                  > >> compromise" and
                  > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                  wants
                  > > us
                  > >> to
                  > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                  wonder
                  > >> what
                  > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                  think
                  > >> she
                  > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                  > > price.
                  > >> But
                  > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                  ours.
                  > >> >
                  > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  > > re-appearance
                  > >> of
                  > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                  > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  > > arguments."
                  > >> >
                  > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                  > >> we? Or
                  > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                  absurd
                  > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                  which
                  > >> she has
                  > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                  > > which
                  > >> you
                  > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                  she
                  > >> can
                  > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                  into
                  > >> an
                  > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                  or
                  > >> even
                  > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                  intelligence?
                  > >> It is
                  > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                  willing
                  > >> to pay
                  > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                  too
                  > >> high for
                  > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                  "full
                  > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                  > > own
                  > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                  > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                  and a
                  > >> lie the
                  > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                  > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                  > >> >
                  > >> > Regards,
                  > >> > Regan
                  > >> >
                  > >> >
                  > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                  > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                  > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > >> >
                  > >> >
                  > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                  > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                  a
                  > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                  > > the
                  > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                  that
                  > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                  against
                  > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                  should
                  > > be
                  > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                  > > team
                  > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                  making
                  > >> this
                  > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                  > > clock
                  > >> > 24/7!!
                  > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                  cult!
                  > > She
                  > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  > >> consciousness
                  > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                  > > rediculed
                  > >> > and sconld.
                  > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  morbid
                  > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                  years
                  > >> or
                  > >> > less!
                  > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  > > arguments.
                  > >> >
                  > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                  > >> > >
                  > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                  > >> bitch
                  > >> > at
                  > >> > > times.
                  > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                  > > me.
                  > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                  > > slightest,
                  > >> > the
                  > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                  > >> count.
                  > >> > And by
                  > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  > >> > >
                  > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                  > >> FANNIE
                  > >> > mae,
                  > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                  One
                  > >> > would
                  > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                  > > money
                  > >> > into
                  > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                  > >> idea,
                  > >> > and
                  > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                  damn
                  > >> > things.
                  > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                  Nancy's
                  > >> name
                  > >> > for
                  > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  > >> > friends.
                  > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                  > >> > > Later...
                  > >> > > Ted
                  > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > >> > > From: masanga@
                  > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > > [11-08-08]
                  > >> > >
                  > >> > >
                  > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  > >> > to get
                  > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  > >> > eventually
                  > >> > > > got
                  > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                  for
                  > > me
                  > >> in
                  > >> > my
                  > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                  > > days
                  > >> > and was
                  > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                  this
                  > >> > forum
                  > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                  > > election
                  > >> > of
                  > >> > > > Barack
                  > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                  of
                  > >> > them. The
                  > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                  tears
                  > > of
                  > >> > joy in
                  > >> > > > the
                  > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                  > > new
                  > >> > age has
                  > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  > >> > > > world-historic
                  > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                  > >> here.
                  > >> > Why
                  > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  > >> > election
                  > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  > >> > politicians
                  > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                  > > view
                  > >> > that
                  > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  > >> > constitutes
                  > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                  in
                  > >> > the
                  > >> > > > whole
                  > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                  Alfred
                  > >> > > > Lambremont
                  > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                  commitment
                  > > to
                  > >> > remove
                  > >> > > > the
                  > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                  > >> anything
                  > >> > > > myself
                  > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                  > > either.
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  > >> > found no
                  > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                  > > myself
                  > >> > from
                  > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  > >> > whenever I
                  > >> > > > am
                  > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                  performed
                  > >> > that
                  > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                  > > don't
                  > >> > want to
                  > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                  > > spectacle
                  > >> > may be.
                  > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                  of
                  > > the
                  > >> > Zeta -
                  > >> > > > on
                  > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                  > > those
                  > >> > among us
                  > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                  to
                  > > it.
                  > >> > So my
                  > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                  > > warning
                  > >> in
                  > >> > > > fact -
                  > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                  > > cult-building
                  > >> > > > activity
                  > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                  dictate
                  > >> their
                  > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                  freedom
                  > > to
                  > >> > do
                  > >> > > > that
                  > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  > >> > natural
                  > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  > >> > now
                  > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > > Warm regards,
                  > >> > > > Regan
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > >> > > > From: Ted
                  > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > >> [11-08-08]
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                  > >> > > > .
                  > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > >> > > > From: masanga@
                  > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > >> [11-08-08]
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  > >> > words of
                  > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                  who
                  > > is
                  > >> > > >> reported
                  > >> > > >> to have said:
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  > >> > > >> fantasies
                  > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> Regan
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                  ;
                  > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                  ;
                  > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                  earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                  ;
                  > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                  ;
                  > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                  ;
                  > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                  > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> written
                  > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                  > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                  than
                  > > he
                  > >> > did on
                  > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                  found
                  > > out
                  > >> > in his
                  > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                  the
                  > >> new
                  > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                  shift?
                  > >> The
                  > >> > Zetas
                  > >> > > >> have
                  > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                  another] I
                  > >> > would
                  > >> > > >> like
                  > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                  Planet
                  > > X,
                  > >> > and if
                  > >> > > >> so
                  > >> > > >> was
                  > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                  conference
                  > >> > Friday the
                  > >> > > >> CNN
                  > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  > >> > "pause"
                  > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                  4th
                  > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                  > >> declined
                  > >> > to
                  > >> > > >> comment.
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                  > >> consensus
                  > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                  > > his
                  > >> > heart
                  > >> > > >> and
                  > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                  > >> Obama
                  > >> > looked
                  > >> > > >> older
                  > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                  > > the
                  > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                  > > candidacy.
                  > >> > Yet the
                  > >> > > >> race
                  > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                  > >> causing
                  > >> > him
                  > >> > > >> loss
                  > >> > > >> of
                  > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                  not
                  > >> > already
                  > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                  > > world
                  > >> > and
                  > >> > > >> what
                  > >> > > >> the
                  > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                  > > also
                  > >> > did not
                  > >> > > >> learn
                  > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                  and
                  > >> > company
                  > >> > > >> crimes,
                  > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                  the
                  > >> FBI
                  > >> > and
                  > >> > > >> the
                  > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  > >> > planetary
                  > >> > > >> presence
                  > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                  He
                  > >> had
                  > >> > heard
                  > >> > > >> the
                  > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                  > >> relayed
                  > >> > to
                  > >> > > >> him
                  > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  > >> > confirmation.
                  > >> > > >> Why would
                  > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                  the
                  > > US
                  > >> > > >> boundaries
                  > >> > > >> are
                  > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                  > >> cover-up,
                  > >> > and
                  > >> > > >> how
                  > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                  yet
                  > >> been
                  > >> > > >> decided.
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                  > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                  > > options
                  > >> > in the
                  > >> > > >> future.
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                  > > beliefs?
                  > >> He
                  > >> > is
                  > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                  is
                  > >> > Lincoln
                  > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                  speaking
                  > >> > > >> figuratively?
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                  many,
                  > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  > >> > recognize
                  > >> > > >> early
                  > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                  Obama's
                  > >> case,
                  > >> > he
                  > >> > > >> was
                  > >> > > >> a
                  > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                  > > life
                  > >> > > >> circumstances
                  > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                  > > human
                  > >> > body
                  > >> > > >> and
                  > >> > > >> mind
                  > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  > >> > conclusion
                  > >> > > >> that
                  > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> The
                  > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                  > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> Election
                  > >> > > >> Results
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> As predicted by
                  > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                  result,
                  > >> > state by
                  > >> > > >> state,
                  > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                  McCain
                  > >> > ended up
                  > >> > > >> in
                  > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                  polls,
                  > > to
                  > >> > the
                  > >> > > >> actual
                  > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  > >> > > >>
                  > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                  GOD
                  > > is
                  > >> > Not
                  > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                  > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > >
                  > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                • masanga@talktalk.net
                  Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
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                    Dear Nathaniel,

                    Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                    you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                    no harm was done.

                    Be at peace.

                    Regan (masanga)


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: nathaniel x vance
                    To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                    Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                    Dear Brother masanga,
                    Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                    and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                    you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                    rebellion out in me.
                    Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                    COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                    like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                    higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                    help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                    renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                    higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                    co-existence will be the order of the future!
                    Please pardon me.

                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Nathaniel,
                    >
                    > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                    >
                    > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                    about
                    > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                    know of
                    > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                    > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                    > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                    universe, I
                    > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                    have
                    > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                    >
                    > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                    divine
                    > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                    > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                    in my
                    > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                    that he
                    > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                    >
                    > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                    presume to
                    > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                    date
                    > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                    mystery to
                    > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                    > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                    divine
                    > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                    >
                    > Regan (masanga)
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > masanga,
                    > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                    > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                    > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                    > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                    > At any rate, I wish you well.
                    >
                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Nathaniel,
                    > >
                    > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                    > that my
                    > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                    > great
                    > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                    > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                    > knowledge,
                    > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                    > desires,
                    > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                    things
                    > as
                    > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                    will
                    > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                    > said
                    > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                    > And
                    > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                    > children to
                    > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                    you
                    > for
                    > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                    worked
                    > long
                    > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                    both
                    > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                    > encouragement
                    > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                    > mental age
                    > > down to absolute zero in time.
                    > >
                    > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                    > break
                    > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                    > don't
                    > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                    me
                    > in the
                    > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                    > suggest
                    > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                    up.
                    > >
                    > > Sincerely,
                    > > Regan (masanga)
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                    > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Dear masanga,
                    > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                    answer
                    > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                    > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                    our
                    > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                    > would
                    > > your answer be?
                    > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                    before
                    > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                    > Can
                    > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                    see
                    > a
                    > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                    details
                    > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                    > Obama,
                    > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                    > earth
                    > > would qualify.
                    > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                    > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                    > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                    > >
                    > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                    > > >
                    > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                    a
                    > > certain
                    > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                    greedy
                    > > > wicked...."
                    > > >
                    > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                    > > of our
                    > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                    > anyone
                    > > else
                    > > > in this respect.
                    > > >
                    > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                    > would
                    > > win
                    > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                    > > >
                    > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                    > > needing any
                    > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                    > > "seemingly
                    > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                    > > seemed to
                    > > > have a clear run to me.
                    > > >
                    > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                    > > >
                    > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                    > > about
                    > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                    > > >
                    > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                    > > praises
                    > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                    > > asssisted
                    > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                    > > protected
                    > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                    > > >
                    > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                    > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                    really
                    > > in
                    > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                    dominance?
                    > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                    > up
                    > > to
                    > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                    > is
                    > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                    a
                    > > system
                    > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                    > where
                    > > the
                    > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                    become
                    > > the
                    > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                    > "Emperor").
                    > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                    > > office
                    > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                    credit
                    > > for
                    > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                    me.
                    > > >
                    > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                    cult!
                    > > She is
                    > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    consciousness
                    > > for the
                    > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                    > > >
                    > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                    > > I see
                    > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                    be
                    > > as you
                    > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                    for
                    > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                    > > think she
                    > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                    > > independent
                    > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                    asserting
                    > > the
                    > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                    > > anonymous
                    > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                    on
                    > > sheer
                    > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                    of
                    > > the
                    > > > terms.
                    > > >
                    > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    rediculed
                    > > and
                    > > > sconld...."
                    > > >
                    > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                    > > scold
                    > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                    impartially
                    > > and
                    > > > objectively.
                    > > >
                    > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    > > morbid
                    > > > intransigence...."
                    > > >
                    > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                    > > compromise" and
                    > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                    > us
                    > > to
                    > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                    wonder
                    > > what
                    > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                    > > she
                    > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                    > price.
                    > > But
                    > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                    ours.
                    > > >
                    > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > re-appearance
                    > > of
                    > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                    > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    > arguments."
                    > > >
                    > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                    > > we? Or
                    > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                    absurd
                    > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                    which
                    > > she has
                    > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                    > which
                    > > you
                    > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                    she
                    > > can
                    > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                    into
                    > > an
                    > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                    > > even
                    > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                    intelligence?
                    > > It is
                    > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                    willing
                    > > to pay
                    > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                    > > high for
                    > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                    "full
                    > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                    > own
                    > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                    > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                    a
                    > > lie the
                    > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                    > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                    > > >
                    > > > Regards,
                    > > > Regan
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                    > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                    > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                    > the
                    > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                    that
                    > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                    against
                    > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                    should
                    > be
                    > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                    > team
                    > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                    > > this
                    > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                    > clock
                    > > > 24/7!!
                    > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    > She
                    > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    > > consciousness
                    > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    > rediculed
                    > > > and sconld.
                    > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    morbid
                    > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                    years
                    > > or
                    > > > less!
                    > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    > arguments.
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                    > > bitch
                    > > > at
                    > > > > times.
                    > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                    > me.
                    > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                    > slightest,
                    > > > the
                    > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                    > > count.
                    > > > And by
                    > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                    > > FANNIE
                    > > > mae,
                    > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                    One
                    > > > would
                    > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                    > money
                    > > > into
                    > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                    > > idea,
                    > > > and
                    > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                    damn
                    > > > things.
                    > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                    > > name
                    > > > for
                    > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    > > > friends.
                    > > > > Good to see you're back.
                    > > > > Later...
                    > > > > Ted
                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > From: masanga@
                    > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > [11-08-08]
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > Hi Ted,
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    > > > to get
                    > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    > > > eventually
                    > > > > > got
                    > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                    > me
                    > > in
                    > > > my
                    > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                    > days
                    > > > and was
                    > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                    this
                    > > > forum
                    > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                    > election
                    > > > of
                    > > > > > Barack
                    > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                    of
                    > > > them. The
                    > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                    > of
                    > > > joy in
                    > > > > > the
                    > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                    > new
                    > > > age has
                    > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    > > > > > world-historic
                    > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                    > > here.
                    > > > Why
                    > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    > > > election
                    > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    > > > politicians
                    > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                    > view
                    > > > that
                    > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    > > > constitutes
                    > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                    in
                    > > > the
                    > > > > > whole
                    > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                    Alfred
                    > > > > > Lambremont
                    > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                    > to
                    > > > remove
                    > > > > > the
                    > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                    > > anything
                    > > > > > myself
                    > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                    > either.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    > > > found no
                    > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                    > myself
                    > > > from
                    > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    > > > whenever I
                    > > > > > am
                    > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                    performed
                    > > > that
                    > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                    > don't
                    > > > want to
                    > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                    > spectacle
                    > > > may be.
                    > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                    > the
                    > > > Zeta -
                    > > > > > on
                    > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                    > those
                    > > > among us
                    > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                    > it.
                    > > > So my
                    > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                    > warning
                    > > in
                    > > > > > fact -
                    > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                    > cult-building
                    > > > > > activity
                    > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                    > > their
                    > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                    freedom
                    > to
                    > > > do
                    > > > > > that
                    > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    > > > natural
                    > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    > > > now
                    > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Warm regards,
                    > > > > > Regan
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > From: Ted
                    > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > > [11-08-08]
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                    > > > > > .
                    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > From: masanga@
                    > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > > [11-08-08]
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    > > > words of
                    > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                    who
                    > is
                    > > > > >> reported
                    > > > > >> to have said:
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    > > > > >> fantasies
                    > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Regan
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                    > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> written
                    > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                    > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                    > he
                    > > > did on
                    > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                    > out
                    > > > in his
                    > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                    the
                    > > new
                    > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                    shift?
                    > > The
                    > > > Zetas
                    > > > > >> have
                    > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                    I
                    > > > would
                    > > > > >> like
                    > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                    > X,
                    > > > and if
                    > > > > >> so
                    > > > > >> was
                    > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                    > > > Friday the
                    > > > > >> CNN
                    > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    > > > "pause"
                    > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                    4th
                    > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                    > > declined
                    > > > to
                    > > > > >> comment.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                    > > consensus
                    > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                    > his
                    > > > heart
                    > > > > >> and
                    > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                    > > Obama
                    > > > looked
                    > > > > >> older
                    > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                    > the
                    > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                    > candidacy.
                    > > > Yet the
                    > > > > >> race
                    > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                    > > causing
                    > > > him
                    > > > > >> loss
                    > > > > >> of
                    > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                    not
                    > > > already
                    > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                    > world
                    > > > and
                    > > > > >> what
                    > > > > >> the
                    > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                    > also
                    > > > did not
                    > > > > >> learn
                    > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                    > > > company
                    > > > > >> crimes,
                    > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                    the
                    > > FBI
                    > > > and
                    > > > > >> the
                    > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    > > > planetary
                    > > > > >> presence
                    > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                    He
                    > > had
                    > > > heard
                    > > > > >> the
                    > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                    > > relayed
                    > > > to
                    > > > > >> him
                    > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    > > > confirmation.
                    > > > > >> Why would
                    > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                    > US
                    > > > > >> boundaries
                    > > > > >> are
                    > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                    > > cover-up,
                    > > > and
                    > > > > >> how
                    > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                    > > been
                    > > > > >> decided.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                    > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                    > options
                    > > > in the
                    > > > > >> future.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                    > beliefs?
                    > > He
                    > > > is
                    > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                    is
                    > > > Lincoln
                    > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    > > > > >> figuratively?
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    > > > recognize
                    > > > > >> early
                    > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                    > > case,
                    > > > he
                    > > > > >> was
                    > > > > >> a
                    > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                    > life
                    > > > > >> circumstances
                    > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                    > human
                    > > > body
                    > > > > >> and
                    > > > > >> mind
                    > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    > > > conclusion
                    > > > > >> that
                    > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> The
                    > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Issue 104,
                    > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Election
                    > > > > >> Results
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> As predicted by
                    > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                    result,
                    > > > state by
                    > > > > >> state,
                    > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                    McCain
                    > > > ended up
                    > > > > >> in
                    > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                    > to
                    > > > the
                    > > > > >> actual
                    > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                    GOD
                    > is
                    > > > Not
                    > > > > >> MOCKED!
                    > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
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