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Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]

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  • masanga@talktalk.net
    Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
      Nathaniel,

      I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
      mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
      compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
      extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
      unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
      and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
      they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
      automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
      that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
      Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
      come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
      this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
      and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
      confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
      to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
      down to absolute zero in time.

      I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
      from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
      want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
      first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
      that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

      Sincerely,
      Regan (masanga)


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: nathaniel x vance
      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


      Dear masanga,
      I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
      your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
      seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
      crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
      your answer be?
      Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
      someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
      you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
      UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
      to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
      his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
      would qualify.
      As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
      level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
      Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
      >
      > Dear Nathaniel,
      >
      > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
      certain
      > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
      > wicked...."
      >
      > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
      of our
      > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
      else
      > in this respect.
      >
      > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
      win
      > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
      >
      > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
      needing any
      > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
      "seemingly
      > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
      seemed to
      > have a clear run to me.
      >
      > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
      >
      > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
      about
      > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
      >
      > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
      praises
      > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
      asssisted
      > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
      protected
      > around the clock 24/7!!"
      >
      > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
      > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
      in
      > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
      > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
      to
      > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
      > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
      system
      > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
      the
      > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
      the
      > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
      > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
      office
      > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
      for
      > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
      >
      > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
      She is
      > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
      for the
      > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
      >
      > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
      I see
      > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
      as you
      > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
      > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
      think she
      > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
      independent
      > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
      the
      > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
      anonymous
      > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
      sheer
      > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
      the
      > terms.
      >
      > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
      and
      > sconld...."
      >
      > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
      scold
      > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
      and
      > objectively.
      >
      > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
      morbid
      > intransigence...."
      >
      > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
      compromise" and
      > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
      to
      > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
      what
      > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
      she
      > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
      But
      > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
      >
      > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
      of
      > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
      > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
      >
      > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
      we? Or
      > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
      > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
      she has
      > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
      you
      > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
      can
      > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
      an
      > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
      even
      > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
      It is
      > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
      to pay
      > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
      high for
      > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
      > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
      > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
      > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
      lie the
      > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
      > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
      >
      > Regards,
      > Regan
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: nathaniel x vance
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > Dear Regan, Ted,
      > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
      > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
      > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
      > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
      > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
      > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
      > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
      this
      > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
      > 24/7!!
      > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
      > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
      consciousness
      > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
      > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
      > and sconld.
      > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
      > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
      > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
      or
      > less!
      > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
      >
      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
      > >
      > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
      > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
      bitch
      > at
      > > times.
      > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
      > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
      > the
      > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
      count.
      > And by
      > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
      > >
      > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
      FANNIE
      > mae,
      > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
      > would
      > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
      > into
      > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
      idea,
      > and
      > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
      > things.
      > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
      name
      > for
      > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
      > friends.
      > > Good to see you're back.
      > > Later...
      > > Ted
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: masanga@
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >
      > >
      > > > Hi Ted,
      > > >
      > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
      > to get
      > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
      > eventually
      > > > got
      > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
      in
      > my
      > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
      > and was
      > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
      > forum
      > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
      > of
      > > > Barack
      > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
      > them. The
      > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
      > joy in
      > > > the
      > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
      > age has
      > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
      > > > world-historic
      > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
      here.
      > Why
      > > > not? I found this puzzling.
      > > >
      > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
      > election
      > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
      > politicians
      > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
      > that
      > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
      > constitutes
      > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
      > the
      > > > whole
      > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
      > > > Lambremont
      > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
      > remove
      > > > the
      > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
      anything
      > > > myself
      > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
      > > >
      > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
      > found no
      > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
      > from
      > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
      > whenever I
      > > > am
      > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
      > that
      > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
      > want to
      > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
      > may be.
      > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
      > Zeta -
      > > > on
      > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
      > among us
      > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
      > So my
      > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
      in
      > > > fact -
      > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
      > > > activity
      > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
      their
      > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
      > do
      > > > that
      > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
      > natural
      > > > consequences of doing it.
      > > >
      > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
      > now
      > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
      > > >
      > > > Warm regards,
      > > > Regan
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: Ted
      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
      > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
      [11-08-08]
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > So you're back with a vengeance
      > > > Well I meant a quote.
      > > > .
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: masanga@
      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
      [11-08-08]
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
      > words of
      > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
      > > >> reported
      > > >> to have said:
      > > >>
      > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
      > > >> fantasies
      > > >> into the pit of destruction."
      > > >>
      > > >> Regan
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
      > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
      > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
      > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
      > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >> ZetaTalk:
      > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
      > > >>
      > > >> written
      > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      > > >>
      > > >> Questioner: Obama
      > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
      > did on
      > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
      > in his
      > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
      new
      > > >> president, what does it mean for the
      > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
      The
      > Zetas
      > > >> have
      > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
      > would
      > > >> like
      > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
      > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
      > and if
      > > >> so
      > > >> was
      > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
      > Friday the
      > > >> CNN
      > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
      > "pause"
      > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
      declined
      > to
      > > >> comment.
      > > >>
      > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
      consensus
      > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
      > heart
      > > >> and
      > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
      Obama
      > looked
      > > >> older
      > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
      > Yet the
      > > >> race
      > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
      causing
      > him
      > > >> loss
      > > >> of
      > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
      > already
      > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
      > and
      > > >> what
      > > >> the
      > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
      > did not
      > > >> learn
      > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
      > company
      > > >> crimes,
      > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
      FBI
      > and
      > > >> the
      > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
      > planetary
      > > >> presence
      > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
      had
      > heard
      > > >> the
      > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
      relayed
      > to
      > > >> him
      > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
      > confirmation.
      > > >> Why would
      > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
      > > >> boundaries
      > > >> are
      > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
      cover-up,
      > and
      > > >> how
      > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
      been
      > > >> decided.
      > > >>
      > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      > > >>
      > > >> Zeta response: This
      > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
      > in the
      > > >> future.
      > > >>
      > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
      He
      > is
      > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
      > Lincoln
      > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      > > >> figuratively?
      > > >>
      > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
      > recognize
      > > >> early
      > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
      case,
      > he
      > > >> was
      > > >> a
      > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      > > >> circumstances
      > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
      > body
      > > >> and
      > > >> mind
      > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
      > conclusion
      > > >> that
      > > >> they have a new soul within.
      > > >>
      > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      > > >>
      > > >> The
      > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
      > > >>
      > > >> Issue 104,
      > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
      > > >>
      > > >> Election
      > > >> Results
      > > >>
      > > >> As predicted by
      > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
      > state by
      > > >> state,
      > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
      > ended up
      > > >> in
      > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
      > the
      > > >> actual
      > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      > > >>
      > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      > > >>
      > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
      > Not
      > > >> MOCKED!
      > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ------------------------------------
    • nathaniel x vance
      masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
        masanga,
        Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
        what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
        masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
        you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
        At any rate, I wish you well.

        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
        >
        > Nathaniel,
        >
        > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
        that my
        > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
        great
        > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
        > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
        knowledge,
        > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
        desires,
        > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
        as
        > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
        > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
        said
        > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
        And
        > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
        children to
        > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
        for
        > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
        long
        > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
        > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
        encouragement
        > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
        mental age
        > down to absolute zero in time.
        >
        > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
        break
        > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
        don't
        > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
        in the
        > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
        suggest
        > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
        >
        > Sincerely,
        > Regan (masanga)
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: nathaniel x vance
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > Dear masanga,
        > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
        > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
        > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
        > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
        would
        > your answer be?
        > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
        > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
        Can
        > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
        a
        > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
        > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
        Obama,
        > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
        earth
        > would qualify.
        > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
        > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
        > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
        >
        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
        > >
        > > Dear Nathaniel,
        > >
        > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
        > certain
        > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
        > > wicked...."
        > >
        > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
        > of our
        > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
        anyone
        > else
        > > in this respect.
        > >
        > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
        would
        > win
        > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
        > >
        > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
        > needing any
        > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
        > "seemingly
        > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
        > seemed to
        > > have a clear run to me.
        > >
        > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
        > >
        > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
        > about
        > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
        > >
        > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
        > praises
        > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
        > asssisted
        > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
        > protected
        > > around the clock 24/7!!"
        > >
        > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
        > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
        > in
        > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
        > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
        up
        > to
        > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
        is
        > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
        > system
        > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
        where
        > the
        > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
        > the
        > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
        "Emperor").
        > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
        > office
        > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
        > for
        > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
        > >
        > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
        > She is
        > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
        > for the
        > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
        > >
        > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
        > I see
        > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
        > as you
        > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
        > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
        > think she
        > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
        > independent
        > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
        > the
        > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
        > anonymous
        > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
        > sheer
        > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
        > the
        > > terms.
        > >
        > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
        > and
        > > sconld...."
        > >
        > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
        > scold
        > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
        > and
        > > objectively.
        > >
        > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
        > morbid
        > > intransigence...."
        > >
        > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
        > compromise" and
        > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
        us
        > to
        > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
        > what
        > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
        > she
        > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
        price.
        > But
        > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
        > >
        > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
        re-appearance
        > of
        > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
        > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
        arguments."
        > >
        > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
        > we? Or
        > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
        > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
        > she has
        > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
        which
        > you
        > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
        > can
        > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
        > an
        > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
        > even
        > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
        > It is
        > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
        > to pay
        > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
        > high for
        > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
        > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
        own
        > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
        > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
        > lie the
        > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
        > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
        > >
        > > Regards,
        > > Regan
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: nathaniel x vance
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
        > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > > Dear Regan, Ted,
        > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
        > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
        the
        > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
        > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
        > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
        be
        > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
        team
        > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
        > this
        > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
        clock
        > > 24/7!!
        > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
        She
        > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
        > consciousness
        > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
        > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
        rediculed
        > > and sconld.
        > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
        > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
        > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
        > or
        > > less!
        > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
        arguments.
        > >
        > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
        > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
        > bitch
        > > at
        > > > times.
        > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
        me.
        > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
        slightest,
        > > the
        > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
        > count.
        > > And by
        > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
        > > >
        > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
        > FANNIE
        > > mae,
        > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
        > > would
        > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
        money
        > > into
        > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
        > idea,
        > > and
        > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
        > > things.
        > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
        > name
        > > for
        > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
        > > friends.
        > > > Good to see you're back.
        > > > Later...
        > > > Ted
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: masanga@
        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
        > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
        [11-08-08]
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > Hi Ted,
        > > > >
        > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
        > > to get
        > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
        > > eventually
        > > > > got
        > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
        me
        > in
        > > my
        > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
        days
        > > and was
        > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
        > > forum
        > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
        election
        > > of
        > > > > Barack
        > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
        > > them. The
        > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
        of
        > > joy in
        > > > > the
        > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
        new
        > > age has
        > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
        > > > > world-historic
        > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
        > here.
        > > Why
        > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
        > > > >
        > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
        > > election
        > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
        > > politicians
        > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
        view
        > > that
        > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
        > > constitutes
        > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
        > > the
        > > > > whole
        > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
        > > > > Lambremont
        > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
        to
        > > remove
        > > > > the
        > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
        > anything
        > > > > myself
        > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
        either.
        > > > >
        > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
        > > found no
        > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
        myself
        > > from
        > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
        > > whenever I
        > > > > am
        > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
        > > that
        > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
        don't
        > > want to
        > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
        spectacle
        > > may be.
        > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
        the
        > > Zeta -
        > > > > on
        > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
        those
        > > among us
        > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
        it.
        > > So my
        > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
        warning
        > in
        > > > > fact -
        > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
        cult-building
        > > > > activity
        > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
        > their
        > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
        to
        > > do
        > > > > that
        > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
        > > natural
        > > > > consequences of doing it.
        > > > >
        > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
        > > now
        > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
        > > > >
        > > > > Warm regards,
        > > > > Regan
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > From: Ted
        > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
        > [11-08-08]
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
        > > > > Well I meant a quote.
        > > > > .
        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > From: masanga@
        > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
        > [11-08-08]
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
        > > words of
        > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
        is
        > > > >> reported
        > > > >> to have said:
        > > > >>
        > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
        > > > >> fantasies
        > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Regan
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
        > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
        > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> ZetaTalk:
        > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
        > > > >>
        > > > >> written
        > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Questioner: Obama
        > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
        he
        > > did on
        > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
        out
        > > in his
        > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
        > new
        > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
        > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
        > The
        > > Zetas
        > > > >> have
        > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
        > > would
        > > > >> like
        > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
        > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
        X,
        > > and if
        > > > >> so
        > > > >> was
        > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
        > > Friday the
        > > > >> CNN
        > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
        > > "pause"
        > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
        > declined
        > > to
        > > > >> comment.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
        > consensus
        > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
        his
        > > heart
        > > > >> and
        > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
        > Obama
        > > looked
        > > > >> older
        > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
        the
        > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
        candidacy.
        > > Yet the
        > > > >> race
        > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
        > causing
        > > him
        > > > >> loss
        > > > >> of
        > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
        > > already
        > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
        world
        > > and
        > > > >> what
        > > > >> the
        > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
        also
        > > did not
        > > > >> learn
        > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
        > > company
        > > > >> crimes,
        > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
        > FBI
        > > and
        > > > >> the
        > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
        > > planetary
        > > > >> presence
        > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
        > had
        > > heard
        > > > >> the
        > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
        > relayed
        > > to
        > > > >> him
        > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
        > > confirmation.
        > > > >> Why would
        > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
        US
        > > > >> boundaries
        > > > >> are
        > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
        > cover-up,
        > > and
        > > > >> how
        > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
        > been
        > > > >> decided.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Zeta response: This
        > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
        options
        > > in the
        > > > >> future.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
        beliefs?
        > He
        > > is
        > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
        > > Lincoln
        > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > > > >> figuratively?
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
        > > recognize
        > > > >> early
        > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
        > case,
        > > he
        > > > >> was
        > > > >> a
        > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
        life
        > > > >> circumstances
        > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
        human
        > > body
        > > > >> and
        > > > >> mind
        > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
        > > conclusion
        > > > >> that
        > > > >> they have a new soul within.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> The
        > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Issue 104,
        > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Election
        > > > >> Results
        > > > >>
        > > > >> As predicted by
        > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
        > > state by
        > > > >> state,
        > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
        > > ended up
        > > > >> in
        > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
        to
        > > the
        > > > >> actual
        > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        > > > >>
        > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
        is
        > > Not
        > > > >> MOCKED!
        > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > ------------------------------------
        >
      • masanga@talktalk.net
        Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
          Nathaniel,

          Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

          You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
          Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
          me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
          whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
          multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
          must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
          only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

          Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
          commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
          acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
          view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
          can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

          But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
          know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
          it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
          me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
          business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
          commission without concerning myself with his too.

          Regan (masanga)


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: nathaniel x vance
          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
          Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          masanga,
          Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
          what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
          masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
          you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
          At any rate, I wish you well.

          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
          >
          > Nathaniel,
          >
          > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
          that my
          > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
          great
          > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
          > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
          knowledge,
          > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
          desires,
          > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
          as
          > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
          > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
          said
          > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
          And
          > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
          children to
          > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
          for
          > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
          long
          > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
          > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
          encouragement
          > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
          mental age
          > down to absolute zero in time.
          >
          > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
          break
          > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
          don't
          > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
          in the
          > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
          suggest
          > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
          >
          > Sincerely,
          > Regan (masanga)
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: nathaniel x vance
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > Dear masanga,
          > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
          > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
          > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
          > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
          would
          > your answer be?
          > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
          > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
          Can
          > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
          a
          > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
          > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
          Obama,
          > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
          earth
          > would qualify.
          > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
          > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
          > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
          >
          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
          > >
          > > Dear Nathaniel,
          > >
          > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          > certain
          > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
          > > wicked...."
          > >
          > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
          > of our
          > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
          anyone
          > else
          > > in this respect.
          > >
          > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
          would
          > win
          > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
          > >
          > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
          > needing any
          > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
          > "seemingly
          > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
          > seemed to
          > > have a clear run to me.
          > >
          > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
          > >
          > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
          > about
          > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
          > >
          > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
          > praises
          > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
          > asssisted
          > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
          > protected
          > > around the clock 24/7!!"
          > >
          > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
          > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
          > in
          > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
          > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
          up
          > to
          > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
          is
          > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
          > system
          > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
          where
          > the
          > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
          > the
          > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
          "Emperor").
          > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
          > office
          > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
          > for
          > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
          > >
          > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
          > She is
          > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
          > for the
          > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
          > >
          > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
          > I see
          > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
          > as you
          > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
          > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
          > think she
          > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
          > independent
          > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
          > the
          > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
          > anonymous
          > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
          > sheer
          > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
          > the
          > > terms.
          > >
          > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
          > and
          > > sconld...."
          > >
          > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
          > scold
          > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
          > and
          > > objectively.
          > >
          > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
          > morbid
          > > intransigence...."
          > >
          > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
          > compromise" and
          > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
          us
          > to
          > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
          > what
          > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
          > she
          > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
          price.
          > But
          > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
          > >
          > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          re-appearance
          > of
          > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
          > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
          arguments."
          > >
          > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
          > we? Or
          > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
          > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
          > she has
          > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
          which
          > you
          > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
          > can
          > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
          > an
          > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
          > even
          > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
          > It is
          > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
          > to pay
          > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
          > high for
          > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
          > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
          own
          > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
          > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
          > lie the
          > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
          > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
          > >
          > > Regards,
          > > Regan
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: nathaniel x vance
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
          > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > > Dear Regan, Ted,
          > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
          the
          > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
          > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
          > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
          be
          > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
          team
          > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
          > this
          > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
          clock
          > > 24/7!!
          > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
          She
          > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
          > consciousness
          > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
          > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
          rediculed
          > > and sconld.
          > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
          > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
          > or
          > > less!
          > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
          arguments.
          > >
          > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
          > bitch
          > > at
          > > > times.
          > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
          me.
          > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
          slightest,
          > > the
          > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
          > count.
          > > And by
          > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
          > > >
          > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
          > FANNIE
          > > mae,
          > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
          > > would
          > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
          money
          > > into
          > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
          > idea,
          > > and
          > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
          > > things.
          > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
          > name
          > > for
          > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
          > > friends.
          > > > Good to see you're back.
          > > > Later...
          > > > Ted
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: masanga@
          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          [11-08-08]
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > Hi Ted,
          > > > >
          > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
          > > to get
          > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
          > > eventually
          > > > > got
          > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
          me
          > in
          > > my
          > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
          days
          > > and was
          > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
          > > forum
          > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
          election
          > > of
          > > > > Barack
          > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
          > > them. The
          > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
          of
          > > joy in
          > > > > the
          > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
          new
          > > age has
          > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          > > > > world-historic
          > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
          > here.
          > > Why
          > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
          > > > >
          > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
          > > election
          > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
          > > politicians
          > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
          view
          > > that
          > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
          > > constitutes
          > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
          > > the
          > > > > whole
          > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          > > > > Lambremont
          > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
          to
          > > remove
          > > > > the
          > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
          > anything
          > > > > myself
          > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
          either.
          > > > >
          > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
          > > found no
          > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
          myself
          > > from
          > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
          > > whenever I
          > > > > am
          > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
          > > that
          > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
          don't
          > > want to
          > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
          spectacle
          > > may be.
          > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
          the
          > > Zeta -
          > > > > on
          > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
          those
          > > among us
          > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
          it.
          > > So my
          > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
          warning
          > in
          > > > > fact -
          > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
          cult-building
          > > > > activity
          > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
          > their
          > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
          to
          > > do
          > > > > that
          > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
          > > natural
          > > > > consequences of doing it.
          > > > >
          > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
          > > now
          > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          > > > >
          > > > > Warm regards,
          > > > > Regan
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > From: Ted
          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          > [11-08-08]
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
          > > > > Well I meant a quote.
          > > > > .
          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > From: masanga@
          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          > [11-08-08]
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
          > > words of
          > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
          is
          > > > >> reported
          > > > >> to have said:
          > > > >>
          > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          > > > >> fantasies
          > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Regan
          > > > >>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
          > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
          > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > > > >>
          > > > >>
          > > > >>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> ZetaTalk:
          > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
          > > > >>
          > > > >> written
          > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Questioner: Obama
          > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
          he
          > > did on
          > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
          out
          > > in his
          > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
          > new
          > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
          > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
          > The
          > > Zetas
          > > > >> have
          > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
          > > would
          > > > >> like
          > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
          > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
          X,
          > > and if
          > > > >> so
          > > > >> was
          > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
          > > Friday the
          > > > >> CNN
          > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
          > > "pause"
          > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
          > declined
          > > to
          > > > >> comment.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
          > consensus
          > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
          his
          > > heart
          > > > >> and
          > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
          > Obama
          > > looked
          > > > >> older
          > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
          the
          > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
          candidacy.
          > > Yet the
          > > > >> race
          > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
          > causing
          > > him
          > > > >> loss
          > > > >> of
          > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
          > > already
          > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
          world
          > > and
          > > > >> what
          > > > >> the
          > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
          also
          > > did not
          > > > >> learn
          > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
          > > company
          > > > >> crimes,
          > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
          > FBI
          > > and
          > > > >> the
          > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
          > > planetary
          > > > >> presence
          > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
          > had
          > > heard
          > > > >> the
          > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
          > relayed
          > > to
          > > > >> him
          > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
          > > confirmation.
          > > > >> Why would
          > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
          US
          > > > >> boundaries
          > > > >> are
          > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
          > cover-up,
          > > and
          > > > >> how
          > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
          > been
          > > > >> decided.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Zeta response: This
          > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
          options
          > > in the
          > > > >> future.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
          beliefs?
          > He
          > > is
          > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
          > > Lincoln
          > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          > > > >> figuratively?
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
          > > recognize
          > > > >> early
          > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
          > case,
          > > he
          > > > >> was
          > > > >> a
          > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
          life
          > > > >> circumstances
          > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
          human
          > > body
          > > > >> and
          > > > >> mind
          > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
          > > conclusion
          > > > >> that
          > > > >> they have a new soul within.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> The
          > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Issue 104,
          > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Election
          > > > >> Results
          > > > >>
          > > > >> As predicted by
          > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
          > > state by
          > > > >> state,
          > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
          > > ended up
          > > > >> in
          > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
          to
          > > the
          > > > >> actual
          > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
          is
          > > Not
          > > > >> MOCKED!
          > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > ------------------------------------
        • Ted
          You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his head ... From: To: Sent:
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
            You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
            head
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: <masanga@...>
            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            > Nathaniel,
            >
            > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
            >
            > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
            > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
            > of
            > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
            > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
            > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
            > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
            > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
            >
            > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
            > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
            > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
            > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
            > he
            > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
            >
            > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
            > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
            > date
            > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
            > to
            > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
            > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
            > commission without concerning myself with his too.
            >
            > Regan (masanga)
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: nathaniel x vance
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > masanga,
            > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
            > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
            > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
            > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
            > At any rate, I wish you well.
            >
            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
            >>
            >> Nathaniel,
            >>
            >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
            > that my
            >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
            > great
            >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
            >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
            > knowledge,
            >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
            > desires,
            >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
            > as
            >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
            >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
            > said
            >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
            > And
            >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
            > children to
            >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
            > for
            >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
            > long
            >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
            >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
            > encouragement
            >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
            > mental age
            >> down to absolute zero in time.
            >>
            >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
            > break
            >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
            > don't
            >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
            > in the
            >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
            > suggest
            >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
            >>
            >> Sincerely,
            >> Regan (masanga)
            >>
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: nathaniel x vance
            >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
            >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >>
            >>
            >> Dear masanga,
            >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
            >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
            >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
            >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
            > would
            >> your answer be?
            >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
            >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
            > Can
            >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
            > a
            >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
            >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
            > Obama,
            >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
            > earth
            >> would qualify.
            >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
            >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
            >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
            >>
            >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
            >> >
            >> > Dear Nathaniel,
            >> >
            >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            >> certain
            >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
            >> > wicked...."
            >> >
            >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
            >> of our
            >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
            > anyone
            >> else
            >> > in this respect.
            >> >
            >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
            > would
            >> win
            >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
            >> >
            >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
            >> needing any
            >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
            >> "seemingly
            >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
            >> seemed to
            >> > have a clear run to me.
            >> >
            >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
            >> >
            >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
            >> about
            >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
            >> >
            >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
            >> praises
            >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
            >> asssisted
            >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
            >> protected
            >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
            >> >
            >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
            >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
            >> in
            >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
            >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
            > up
            >> to
            >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
            > is
            >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
            >> system
            >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
            > where
            >> the
            >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
            >> the
            >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
            > "Emperor").
            >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
            >> office
            >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
            >> for
            >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
            >> >
            >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
            >> She is
            >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
            >> for the
            >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
            >> >
            >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
            >> I see
            >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
            >> as you
            >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
            >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
            >> think she
            >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
            >> independent
            >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
            >> the
            >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
            >> anonymous
            >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
            >> sheer
            >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
            >> the
            >> > terms.
            >> >
            >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
            >> and
            >> > sconld...."
            >> >
            >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
            >> scold
            >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
            >> and
            >> > objectively.
            >> >
            >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
            >> morbid
            >> > intransigence...."
            >> >
            >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
            >> compromise" and
            >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
            > us
            >> to
            >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
            >> what
            >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
            >> she
            >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
            > price.
            >> But
            >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
            >> >
            >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            > re-appearance
            >> of
            >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
            >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
            > arguments."
            >> >
            >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
            >> we? Or
            >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
            >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
            >> she has
            >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
            > which
            >> you
            >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
            >> can
            >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
            >> an
            >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
            >> even
            >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
            >> It is
            >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
            >> to pay
            >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
            >> high for
            >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
            >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
            > own
            >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
            >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
            >> lie the
            >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
            >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
            >> >
            >> > Regards,
            >> > Regan
            >> >
            >> >
            >> > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > From: nathaniel x vance
            >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
            >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >> >
            >> >
            >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
            >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
            > the
            >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
            >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
            >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
            > be
            >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
            > team
            >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
            >> this
            >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
            > clock
            >> > 24/7!!
            >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
            > She
            >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
            >> consciousness
            >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
            >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
            > rediculed
            >> > and sconld.
            >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
            >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
            >> or
            >> > less!
            >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
            > arguments.
            >> >
            >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
            >> > >
            >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
            >> bitch
            >> > at
            >> > > times.
            >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
            > me.
            >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
            > slightest,
            >> > the
            >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
            >> count.
            >> > And by
            >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
            >> > >
            >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
            >> FANNIE
            >> > mae,
            >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
            >> > would
            >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
            > money
            >> > into
            >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
            >> idea,
            >> > and
            >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
            >> > things.
            >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
            >> name
            >> > for
            >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
            >> > friends.
            >> > > Good to see you're back.
            >> > > Later...
            >> > > Ted
            >> > > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > > From: masanga@
            >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            > [11-08-08]
            >> > >
            >> > >
            >> > > > Hi Ted,
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
            >> > to get
            >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
            >> > eventually
            >> > > > got
            >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
            > me
            >> in
            >> > my
            >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
            > days
            >> > and was
            >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
            >> > forum
            >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
            > election
            >> > of
            >> > > > Barack
            >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
            >> > them. The
            >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
            > of
            >> > joy in
            >> > > > the
            >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
            > new
            >> > age has
            >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            >> > > > world-historic
            >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
            >> here.
            >> > Why
            >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
            >> > election
            >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
            >> > politicians
            >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
            > view
            >> > that
            >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
            >> > constitutes
            >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
            >> > the
            >> > > > whole
            >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            >> > > > Lambremont
            >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
            > to
            >> > remove
            >> > > > the
            >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
            >> anything
            >> > > > myself
            >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
            > either.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
            >> > found no
            >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
            > myself
            >> > from
            >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
            >> > whenever I
            >> > > > am
            >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
            >> > that
            >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
            > don't
            >> > want to
            >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
            > spectacle
            >> > may be.
            >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
            > the
            >> > Zeta -
            >> > > > on
            >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
            > those
            >> > among us
            >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
            > it.
            >> > So my
            >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
            > warning
            >> in
            >> > > > fact -
            >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
            > cult-building
            >> > > > activity
            >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
            >> their
            >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
            > to
            >> > do
            >> > > > that
            >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
            >> > natural
            >> > > > consequences of doing it.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
            >> > now
            >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            >> > > >
            >> > > > Warm regards,
            >> > > > Regan
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > > > From: Ted
            >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            >> [11-08-08]
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
            >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
            >> > > > .
            >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > > > From: masanga@
            >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            >> [11-08-08]
            >> > > >
            >> > > >
            >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
            >> > words of
            >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
            > is
            >> > > >> reported
            >> > > >> to have said:
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            >> > > >> fantasies
            >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Regan
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
            >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
            >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> written
            >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
            >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
            > he
            >> > did on
            >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
            > out
            >> > in his
            >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
            >> new
            >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
            >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
            >> The
            >> > Zetas
            >> > > >> have
            >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
            >> > would
            >> > > >> like
            >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
            >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
            > X,
            >> > and if
            >> > > >> so
            >> > > >> was
            >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
            >> > Friday the
            >> > > >> CNN
            >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
            >> > "pause"
            >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
            >> declined
            >> > to
            >> > > >> comment.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
            >> consensus
            >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
            > his
            >> > heart
            >> > > >> and
            >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
            >> Obama
            >> > looked
            >> > > >> older
            >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
            > the
            >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
            > candidacy.
            >> > Yet the
            >> > > >> race
            >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
            >> causing
            >> > him
            >> > > >> loss
            >> > > >> of
            >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
            >> > already
            >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
            > world
            >> > and
            >> > > >> what
            >> > > >> the
            >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
            > also
            >> > did not
            >> > > >> learn
            >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
            >> > company
            >> > > >> crimes,
            >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
            >> FBI
            >> > and
            >> > > >> the
            >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
            >> > planetary
            >> > > >> presence
            >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
            >> had
            >> > heard
            >> > > >> the
            >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
            >> relayed
            >> > to
            >> > > >> him
            >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
            >> > confirmation.
            >> > > >> Why would
            >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
            > US
            >> > > >> boundaries
            >> > > >> are
            >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
            >> cover-up,
            >> > and
            >> > > >> how
            >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
            >> been
            >> > > >> decided.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Zeta response: This
            >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
            > options
            >> > in the
            >> > > >> future.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
            > beliefs?
            >> He
            >> > is
            >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
            >> > Lincoln
            >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            >> > > >> figuratively?
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
            >> > recognize
            >> > > >> early
            >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
            >> case,
            >> > he
            >> > > >> was
            >> > > >> a
            >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
            > life
            >> > > >> circumstances
            >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
            > human
            >> > body
            >> > > >> and
            >> > > >> mind
            >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
            >> > conclusion
            >> > > >> that
            >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> The
            >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Issue 104,
            >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> Election
            >> > > >> Results
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> As predicted by
            >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
            >> > state by
            >> > > >> state,
            >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
            >> > ended up
            >> > > >> in
            >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
            > to
            >> > the
            >> > > >> actual
            >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            >> > > >>
            >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
            > is
            >> > Not
            >> > > >> MOCKED!
            >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
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          • masanga@talktalk.net
            I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
              I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

              But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
              understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
              clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
              appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
              concerned.

              However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
              obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
              should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: Ted
              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
              head
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: <masanga@...>
              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              > Nathaniel,
              >
              > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
              >
              > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
              > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
              > of
              > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
              > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
              > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
              > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
              > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
              >
              > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
              > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
              > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
              > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
              > he
              > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
              >
              > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
              > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
              > date
              > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
              > to
              > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
              > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
              > commission without concerning myself with his too.
              >
              > Regan (masanga)
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: nathaniel x vance
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > masanga,
              > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
              > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
              > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
              > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
              > At any rate, I wish you well.
              >
              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
              >>
              >> Nathaniel,
              >>
              >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
              > that my
              >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
              > great
              >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
              >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
              > knowledge,
              >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
              > desires,
              >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
              > as
              >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
              >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
              > said
              >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
              > And
              >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
              > children to
              >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
              > for
              >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
              > long
              >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
              >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
              > encouragement
              >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
              > mental age
              >> down to absolute zero in time.
              >>
              >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
              > break
              >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
              > don't
              >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
              > in the
              >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
              > suggest
              >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
              >>
              >> Sincerely,
              >> Regan (masanga)
              >>
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: nathaniel x vance
              >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
              >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>
              >>
              >> Dear masanga,
              >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
              >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
              >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
              >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
              > would
              >> your answer be?
              >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
              >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
              > Can
              >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
              > a
              >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
              >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
              > Obama,
              >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
              > earth
              >> would qualify.
              >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
              >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
              >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
              >>
              >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
              >> >
              >> > Dear Nathaniel,
              >> >
              >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              >> certain
              >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
              >> > wicked...."
              >> >
              >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
              >> of our
              >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
              > anyone
              >> else
              >> > in this respect.
              >> >
              >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
              > would
              >> win
              >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
              >> >
              >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
              >> needing any
              >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
              >> "seemingly
              >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
              >> seemed to
              >> > have a clear run to me.
              >> >
              >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
              >> >
              >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
              >> about
              >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
              >> >
              >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
              >> praises
              >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
              >> asssisted
              >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
              >> protected
              >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
              >> >
              >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
              >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
              >> in
              >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
              >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
              > up
              >> to
              >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
              > is
              >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
              >> system
              >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
              > where
              >> the
              >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
              >> the
              >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
              > "Emperor").
              >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
              >> office
              >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
              >> for
              >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
              >> >
              >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              >> She is
              >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
              >> for the
              >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
              >> >
              >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
              >> I see
              >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
              >> as you
              >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
              >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
              >> think she
              >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
              >> independent
              >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
              >> the
              >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
              >> anonymous
              >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
              >> sheer
              >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
              >> the
              >> > terms.
              >> >
              >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              >> and
              >> > sconld...."
              >> >
              >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
              >> scold
              >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
              >> and
              >> > objectively.
              >> >
              >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
              >> morbid
              >> > intransigence...."
              >> >
              >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
              >> compromise" and
              >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
              > us
              >> to
              >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
              >> what
              >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
              >> she
              >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
              > price.
              >> But
              >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
              >> >
              >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              > re-appearance
              >> of
              >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
              >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
              > arguments."
              >> >
              >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
              >> we? Or
              >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
              >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
              >> she has
              >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
              > which
              >> you
              >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
              >> can
              >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
              >> an
              >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
              >> even
              >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
              >> It is
              >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
              >> to pay
              >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
              >> high for
              >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
              >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
              > own
              >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
              >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
              >> lie the
              >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
              >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
              >> >
              >> > Regards,
              >> > Regan
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > ----- Original Message -----
              >> > From: nathaniel x vance
              >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
              >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
              >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
              > the
              >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
              >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
              >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
              > be
              >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
              > team
              >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
              >> this
              >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
              > clock
              >> > 24/7!!
              >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              > She
              >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
              >> consciousness
              >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
              >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
              > rediculed
              >> > and sconld.
              >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
              >> or
              >> > less!
              >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
              > arguments.
              >> >
              >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
              >> > >
              >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
              >> bitch
              >> > at
              >> > > times.
              >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
              > me.
              >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
              > slightest,
              >> > the
              >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
              >> count.
              >> > And by
              >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              >> > >
              >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
              >> FANNIE
              >> > mae,
              >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              >> > would
              >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
              > money
              >> > into
              >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
              >> idea,
              >> > and
              >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              >> > things.
              >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
              >> name
              >> > for
              >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              >> > friends.
              >> > > Good to see you're back.
              >> > > Later...
              >> > > Ted
              >> > > ----- Original Message -----
              >> > > From: masanga@
              >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              > [11-08-08]
              >> > >
              >> > >
              >> > > > Hi Ted,
              >> > > >
              >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              >> > to get
              >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              >> > eventually
              >> > > > got
              >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
              > me
              >> in
              >> > my
              >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
              > days
              >> > and was
              >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              >> > forum
              >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
              > election
              >> > of
              >> > > > Barack
              >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              >> > them. The
              >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
              > of
              >> > joy in
              >> > > > the
              >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
              > new
              >> > age has
              >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              >> > > > world-historic
              >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
              >> here.
              >> > Why
              >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
              >> > > >
              >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              >> > election
              >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              >> > politicians
              >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
              > view
              >> > that
              >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              >> > constitutes
              >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              >> > the
              >> > > > whole
              >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              >> > > > Lambremont
              >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
              > to
              >> > remove
              >> > > > the
              >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
              >> anything
              >> > > > myself
              >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
              > either.
              >> > > >
              >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              >> > found no
              >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
              > myself
              >> > from
              >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              >> > whenever I
              >> > > > am
              >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              >> > that
              >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
              > don't
              >> > want to
              >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
              > spectacle
              >> > may be.
              >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
              > the
              >> > Zeta -
              >> > > > on
              >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
              > those
              >> > among us
              >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
              > it.
              >> > So my
              >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
              > warning
              >> in
              >> > > > fact -
              >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
              > cult-building
              >> > > > activity
              >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
              >> their
              >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
              > to
              >> > do
              >> > > > that
              >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              >> > natural
              >> > > > consequences of doing it.
              >> > > >
              >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              >> > now
              >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              >> > > >
              >> > > > Warm regards,
              >> > > > Regan
              >> > > >
              >> > > >
              >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
              >> > > > From: Ted
              >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              >> [11-08-08]
              >> > > >
              >> > > >
              >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
              >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
              >> > > > .
              >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
              >> > > > From: masanga@
              >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              >> [11-08-08]
              >> > > >
              >> > > >
              >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              >> > words of
              >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
              > is
              >> > > >> reported
              >> > > >> to have said:
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              >> > > >> fantasies
              >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Regan
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
              >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> written
              >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
              >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
              > he
              >> > did on
              >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
              > out
              >> > in his
              >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
              >> new
              >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
              >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
              >> The
              >> > Zetas
              >> > > >> have
              >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              >> > would
              >> > > >> like
              >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
              > X,
              >> > and if
              >> > > >> so
              >> > > >> was
              >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              >> > Friday the
              >> > > >> CNN
              >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              >> > "pause"
              >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
              >> declined
              >> > to
              >> > > >> comment.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
              >> consensus
              >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
              > his
              >> > heart
              >> > > >> and
              >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
              >> Obama
              >> > looked
              >> > > >> older
              >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
              > the
              >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
              > candidacy.
              >> > Yet the
              >> > > >> race
              >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
              >> causing
              >> > him
              >> > > >> loss
              >> > > >> of
              >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              >> > already
              >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
              > world
              >> > and
              >> > > >> what
              >> > > >> the
              >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
              > also
              >> > did not
              >> > > >> learn
              >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              >> > company
              >> > > >> crimes,
              >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
              >> FBI
              >> > and
              >> > > >> the
              >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              >> > planetary
              >> > > >> presence
              >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
              >> had
              >> > heard
              >> > > >> the
              >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
              >> relayed
              >> > to
              >> > > >> him
              >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              >> > confirmation.
              >> > > >> Why would
              >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
              > US
              >> > > >> boundaries
              >> > > >> are
              >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
              >> cover-up,
              >> > and
              >> > > >> how
              >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
              >> been
              >> > > >> decided.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Zeta response: This
              >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
              > options
              >> > in the
              >> > > >> future.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
              > beliefs?
              >> He
              >> > is
              >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              >> > Lincoln
              >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              >> > > >> figuratively?
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              >> > recognize
              >> > > >> early
              >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
              >> case,
              >> > he
              >> > > >> was
              >> > > >> a
              >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
              > life
              >> > > >> circumstances
              >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
              > human
              >> > body
              >> > > >> and
              >> > > >> mind
              >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              >> > conclusion
              >> > > >> that
              >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> The
              >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Issue 104,
              >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Election
              >> > > >> Results
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> As predicted by
              >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              >> > state by
              >> > > >> state,
              >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              >> > ended up
              >> > > >> in
              >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
              > to
              >> > the
              >> > > >> actual
              >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
              > is
              >> > Not
              >> > > >> MOCKED!
              >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              >> > > >
              >> > > >
              >> > > > ------------------------------------
            • Ted
              Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                Nancy's groupies.
                He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                wearing no close
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: <masanga@...>
                To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                >
                > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                > be
                > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                > concerned.
                >
                > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                > he
                > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Ted
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                > his
                > head
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: <masanga@...>
                > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                >> Nathaniel,
                >>
                >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                >>
                >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                >> of
                >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                >> have
                >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                >>
                >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                >> my
                >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                >> he
                >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                >>
                >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                >> date
                >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                >> to
                >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                >>
                >> Regan (masanga)
                >>
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: nathaniel x vance
                >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >>
                >>
                >> masanga,
                >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                >>
                >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                >>>
                >>> Nathaniel,
                >>>
                >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                >> that my
                >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                >> great
                >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                >> knowledge,
                >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                >> desires,
                >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                >> as
                >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                >> said
                >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                >> And
                >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                >> children to
                >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                >> for
                >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                >> long
                >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                >> encouragement
                >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                >> mental age
                >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                >>>
                >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                >> break
                >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                >> don't
                >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                >> in the
                >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                >> suggest
                >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                >>>
                >>> Sincerely,
                >>> Regan (masanga)
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> ----- Original Message -----
                >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >>>
                >>>
                >>> Dear masanga,
                >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                >> would
                >>> your answer be?
                >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                >> Can
                >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                >> a
                >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                >> Obama,
                >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                >> earth
                >>> would qualify.
                >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                >>>
                >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                >>> >
                >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                >>> >
                >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                >>> certain
                >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                >>> > wicked...."
                >>> >
                >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                >>> of our
                >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                >> anyone
                >>> else
                >>> > in this respect.
                >>> >
                >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                >> would
                >>> win
                >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                >>> >
                >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                >>> needing any
                >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                >>> "seemingly
                >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                >>> seemed to
                >>> > have a clear run to me.
                >>> >
                >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                >>> >
                >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                >>> about
                >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                >>> >
                >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                >>> praises
                >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                >>> asssisted
                >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                >>> protected
                >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                >>> >
                >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                >>> in
                >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                >> up
                >>> to
                >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                >> is
                >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                >>> system
                >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                >> where
                >>> the
                >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                >>> the
                >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                >> "Emperor").
                >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                >>> office
                >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                >>> for
                >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                >>> >
                >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                >>> She is
                >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                >>> for the
                >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                >>> >
                >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                >>> I see
                >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                >>> as you
                >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                >>> think she
                >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                >>> independent
                >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                >>> the
                >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                >>> anonymous
                >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                >>> sheer
                >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                >>> the
                >>> > terms.
                >>> >
                >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                >>> and
                >>> > sconld...."
                >>> >
                >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                >>> scold
                >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                >>> and
                >>> > objectively.
                >>> >
                >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                >>> morbid
                >>> > intransigence...."
                >>> >
                >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                >>> compromise" and
                >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                >> us
                >>> to
                >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                >>> what
                >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                >>> she
                >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                >> price.
                >>> But
                >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                >>> >
                >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                >> re-appearance
                >>> of
                >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                >> arguments."
                >>> >
                >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                >>> we? Or
                >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                >>> she has
                >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                >> which
                >>> you
                >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                >>> can
                >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                >>> an
                >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                >>> even
                >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                >>> It is
                >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                >>> to pay
                >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                >>> high for
                >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                >> own
                >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                >>> lie the
                >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                >>> >
                >>> > Regards,
                >>> > Regan
                >>> >
                >>> >
                >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >>> >
                >>> >
                >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                >> the
                >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                >> be
                >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                >> team
                >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                >>> this
                >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                >> clock
                >>> > 24/7!!
                >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                >> She
                >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                >>> consciousness
                >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                >> rediculed
                >>> > and sconld.
                >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                >>> or
                >>> > less!
                >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                >> arguments.
                >>> >
                >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                >>> > >
                >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                >>> bitch
                >>> > at
                >>> > > times.
                >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                >> me.
                >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                >> slightest,
                >>> > the
                >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                >>> count.
                >>> > And by
                >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                >>> > >
                >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                >>> FANNIE
                >>> > mae,
                >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                >>> > would
                >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                >> money
                >>> > into
                >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                >>> idea,
                >>> > and
                >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                >>> > things.
                >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                >>> name
                >>> > for
                >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                >>> > friends.
                >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                >>> > > Later...
                >>> > > Ted
                >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                >>> > > From: masanga@
                >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                >> [11-08-08]
                >>> > >
                >>> > >
                >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                >>> > to get
                >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                >>> > eventually
                >>> > > > got
                >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                >> me
                >>> in
                >>> > my
                >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                >> days
                >>> > and was
                >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                >>> > forum
                >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                >> election
                >>> > of
                >>> > > > Barack
                >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                >>> > them. The
                >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                >> of
                >>> > joy in
                >>> > > > the
                >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                >> new
                >>> > age has
                >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                >>> > > > world-historic
                >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                >>> here.
                >>> > Why
                >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                >>> > election
                >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                >>> > politicians
                >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                >> view
                >>> > that
                >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                >>> > constitutes
                >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                >>> > the
                >>> > > > whole
                >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                >>> > > > Lambremont
                >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                >> to
                >>> > remove
                >>> > > > the
                >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                >>> anything
                >>> > > > myself
                >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                >> either.
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                >>> > found no
                >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                >> myself
                >>> > from
                >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                >>> > whenever I
                >>> > > > am
                >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                >>> > that
                >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                >> don't
                >>> > want to
                >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                >> spectacle
                >>> > may be.
                >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                >> the
                >>> > Zeta -
                >>> > > > on
                >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                >> those
                >>> > among us
                >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                >> it.
                >>> > So my
                >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                >> warning
                >>> in
                >>> > > > fact -
                >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                >> cult-building
                >>> > > > activity
                >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                >>> their
                >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                >> to
                >>> > do
                >>> > > > that
                >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                >>> > natural
                >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                >>> > now
                >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > > Warm regards,
                >>> > > > Regan
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                >>> > > > From: Ted
                >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                >>> [11-08-08]
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                >>> > > > .
                >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                >>> > > > From: masanga@
                >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                >>> [11-08-08]
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                >>> > words of
                >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                >> is
                >>> > > >> reported
                >>> > > >> to have said:
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                >>> > > >> fantasies
                >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> Regan
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> written
                >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                >> he
                >>> > did on
                >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                >> out
                >>> > in his
                >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                >>> new
                >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                >>> The
                >>> > Zetas
                >>> > > >> have
                >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                >>> > would
                >>> > > >> like
                >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                >> X,
                >>> > and if
                >>> > > >> so
                >>> > > >> was
                >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                >>> > Friday the
                >>> > > >> CNN
                >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                >>> > "pause"
                >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                >>> declined
                >>> > to
                >>> > > >> comment.
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                >>> consensus
                >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                >> his
                >>> > heart
                >>> > > >> and
                >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                >>> Obama
                >>> > looked
                >>> > > >> older
                >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                >> the
                >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                >> candidacy.
                >>> > Yet the
                >>> > > >> race
                >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                >>> causing
                >>> > him
                >>> > > >> loss
                >>> > > >> of
                >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                >>> > already
                >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                >> world
                >>> > and
                >>> > > >> what
                >>> > > >> the
                >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                >> also
                >>> > did not
                >>> > > >> learn
                >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                >>> > company
                >>> > > >> crimes,
                >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                >>> FBI
                >>> > and
                >>> > > >> the
                >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                >>> > planetary
                >>> > > >> presence
                >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                >>> had
                >>> > heard
                >>> > > >> the
                >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                >>> relayed
                >>> > to
                >>> > > >> him
                >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                >>> > confirmation.
                >>> > > >> Why would
                >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                >> US
                >>> > > >> boundaries
                >>> > > >> are
                >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                >>> cover-up,
                >>> > and
                >>> > > >> how
                >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                >>> been
                >>> > > >> decided.
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                >> options
                >>> > in the
                >>> > > >> future.
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                >> beliefs?
                >>> He
                >>> > is
                >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                >>> > Lincoln
                >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                >>> > > >> figuratively?
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                >>> > recognize
                >>> > > >> early
                >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                >>> case,
                >>> > he
                >>> > > >> was
                >>> > > >> a
                >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                >> life
                >>> > > >> circumstances
                >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                >> human
                >>> > body
                >>> > > >> and
                >>> > > >> mind
                >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                >>> > conclusion
                >>> > > >> that
                >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> The
                >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> Election
                >>> > > >> Results
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> As predicted by
                >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                >>> > state by
                >>> > > >> state,
                >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                >>> > ended up
                >>> > > >> in
                >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                >> to
                >>> > the
                >>> > > >> actual
                >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                >>> > > >>
                >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                >> is
                >>> > Not
                >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > >
                >>> > > > ------------------------------------
                >
                >
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                >
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                >
                >
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              • nathaniel x vance
                Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                  Dear Brother masanga,
                  Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                  and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                  you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                  rebellion out in me.
                  Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                  COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                  like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                  higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                  help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                  renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                  higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                  co-existence will be the order of the future!
                  Please pardon me.

                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Nathaniel,
                  >
                  > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                  >
                  > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                  about
                  > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                  know of
                  > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                  > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                  > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                  universe, I
                  > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                  have
                  > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                  >
                  > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                  divine
                  > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                  > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                  in my
                  > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                  that he
                  > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                  >
                  > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                  presume to
                  > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                  date
                  > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                  mystery to
                  > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                  > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                  divine
                  > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                  >
                  > Regan (masanga)
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > masanga,
                  > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                  > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                  > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                  > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                  > At any rate, I wish you well.
                  >
                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Nathaniel,
                  > >
                  > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                  > that my
                  > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                  > great
                  > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                  > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                  > knowledge,
                  > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                  > desires,
                  > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                  things
                  > as
                  > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                  will
                  > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                  > said
                  > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                  > And
                  > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                  > children to
                  > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                  you
                  > for
                  > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                  worked
                  > long
                  > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                  both
                  > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                  > encouragement
                  > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                  > mental age
                  > > down to absolute zero in time.
                  > >
                  > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                  > break
                  > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                  > don't
                  > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                  me
                  > in the
                  > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                  > suggest
                  > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                  up.
                  > >
                  > > Sincerely,
                  > > Regan (masanga)
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                  > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Dear masanga,
                  > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                  answer
                  > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                  > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                  our
                  > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                  > would
                  > > your answer be?
                  > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                  before
                  > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                  > Can
                  > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                  see
                  > a
                  > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                  details
                  > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                  > Obama,
                  > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                  > earth
                  > > would qualify.
                  > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                  > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                  > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                  > >
                  > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                  > > >
                  > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                  a
                  > > certain
                  > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                  greedy
                  > > > wicked...."
                  > > >
                  > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                  > > of our
                  > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                  > anyone
                  > > else
                  > > > in this respect.
                  > > >
                  > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                  > would
                  > > win
                  > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                  > > >
                  > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                  > > needing any
                  > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                  > > "seemingly
                  > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                  > > seemed to
                  > > > have a clear run to me.
                  > > >
                  > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                  > > >
                  > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                  > > about
                  > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                  > > >
                  > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                  > > praises
                  > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                  > > asssisted
                  > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                  > > protected
                  > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                  > > >
                  > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                  > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                  really
                  > > in
                  > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                  dominance?
                  > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                  > up
                  > > to
                  > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                  > is
                  > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                  a
                  > > system
                  > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                  > where
                  > > the
                  > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                  become
                  > > the
                  > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                  > "Emperor").
                  > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                  > > office
                  > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                  credit
                  > > for
                  > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                  me.
                  > > >
                  > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                  cult!
                  > > She is
                  > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  consciousness
                  > > for the
                  > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                  > > >
                  > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                  > > I see
                  > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                  be
                  > > as you
                  > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                  for
                  > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                  > > think she
                  > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                  > > independent
                  > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                  asserting
                  > > the
                  > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                  > > anonymous
                  > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                  on
                  > > sheer
                  > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                  of
                  > > the
                  > > > terms.
                  > > >
                  > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                  rediculed
                  > > and
                  > > > sconld...."
                  > > >
                  > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                  > > scold
                  > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                  impartially
                  > > and
                  > > > objectively.
                  > > >
                  > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  > > morbid
                  > > > intransigence...."
                  > > >
                  > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                  > > compromise" and
                  > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                  > us
                  > > to
                  > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                  wonder
                  > > what
                  > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                  > > she
                  > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                  > price.
                  > > But
                  > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                  ours.
                  > > >
                  > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  > re-appearance
                  > > of
                  > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                  > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  > arguments."
                  > > >
                  > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                  > > we? Or
                  > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                  absurd
                  > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                  which
                  > > she has
                  > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                  > which
                  > > you
                  > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                  she
                  > > can
                  > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                  into
                  > > an
                  > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                  > > even
                  > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                  intelligence?
                  > > It is
                  > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                  willing
                  > > to pay
                  > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                  > > high for
                  > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                  "full
                  > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                  > own
                  > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                  > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                  a
                  > > lie the
                  > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                  > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                  > > >
                  > > > Regards,
                  > > > Regan
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                  > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                  > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                  > the
                  > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                  that
                  > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                  against
                  > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                  should
                  > be
                  > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                  > team
                  > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                  > > this
                  > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                  > clock
                  > > > 24/7!!
                  > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  > She
                  > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  > > consciousness
                  > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                  > rediculed
                  > > > and sconld.
                  > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  morbid
                  > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                  years
                  > > or
                  > > > less!
                  > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  > arguments.
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                  > > bitch
                  > > > at
                  > > > > times.
                  > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                  > me.
                  > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                  > slightest,
                  > > > the
                  > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                  > > count.
                  > > > And by
                  > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                  > > FANNIE
                  > > > mae,
                  > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                  One
                  > > > would
                  > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                  > money
                  > > > into
                  > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                  > > idea,
                  > > > and
                  > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                  damn
                  > > > things.
                  > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                  > > name
                  > > > for
                  > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  > > > friends.
                  > > > > Good to see you're back.
                  > > > > Later...
                  > > > > Ted
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: masanga@
                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > [11-08-08]
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > > Hi Ted,
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  > > > to get
                  > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  > > > eventually
                  > > > > > got
                  > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                  > me
                  > > in
                  > > > my
                  > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                  > days
                  > > > and was
                  > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                  this
                  > > > forum
                  > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                  > election
                  > > > of
                  > > > > > Barack
                  > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                  of
                  > > > them. The
                  > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                  > of
                  > > > joy in
                  > > > > > the
                  > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                  > new
                  > > > age has
                  > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  > > > > > world-historic
                  > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                  > > here.
                  > > > Why
                  > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  > > > election
                  > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  > > > politicians
                  > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                  > view
                  > > > that
                  > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  > > > constitutes
                  > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                  in
                  > > > the
                  > > > > > whole
                  > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                  Alfred
                  > > > > > Lambremont
                  > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                  > to
                  > > > remove
                  > > > > > the
                  > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                  > > anything
                  > > > > > myself
                  > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                  > either.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  > > > found no
                  > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                  > myself
                  > > > from
                  > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  > > > whenever I
                  > > > > > am
                  > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                  performed
                  > > > that
                  > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                  > don't
                  > > > want to
                  > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                  > spectacle
                  > > > may be.
                  > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                  > the
                  > > > Zeta -
                  > > > > > on
                  > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                  > those
                  > > > among us
                  > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                  > it.
                  > > > So my
                  > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                  > warning
                  > > in
                  > > > > > fact -
                  > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                  > cult-building
                  > > > > > activity
                  > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                  > > their
                  > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                  freedom
                  > to
                  > > > do
                  > > > > > that
                  > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  > > > natural
                  > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  > > > now
                  > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Warm regards,
                  > > > > > Regan
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > From: Ted
                  > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > > [11-08-08]
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                  > > > > > .
                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > > From: masanga@
                  > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > > [11-08-08]
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  > > > words of
                  > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                  who
                  > is
                  > > > > >> reported
                  > > > > >> to have said:
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  > > > > >> fantasies
                  > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> Regan
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                  ;
                  > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                  ;
                  > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                  ;
                  > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                  > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> written
                  > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                  > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                  > he
                  > > > did on
                  > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                  > out
                  > > > in his
                  > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                  the
                  > > new
                  > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                  shift?
                  > > The
                  > > > Zetas
                  > > > > >> have
                  > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                  I
                  > > > would
                  > > > > >> like
                  > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                  > X,
                  > > > and if
                  > > > > >> so
                  > > > > >> was
                  > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                  > > > Friday the
                  > > > > >> CNN
                  > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  > > > "pause"
                  > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                  4th
                  > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                  > > declined
                  > > > to
                  > > > > >> comment.
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                  > > consensus
                  > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                  > his
                  > > > heart
                  > > > > >> and
                  > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                  > > Obama
                  > > > looked
                  > > > > >> older
                  > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                  > the
                  > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                  > candidacy.
                  > > > Yet the
                  > > > > >> race
                  > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                  > > causing
                  > > > him
                  > > > > >> loss
                  > > > > >> of
                  > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                  not
                  > > > already
                  > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                  > world
                  > > > and
                  > > > > >> what
                  > > > > >> the
                  > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                  > also
                  > > > did not
                  > > > > >> learn
                  > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                  > > > company
                  > > > > >> crimes,
                  > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                  the
                  > > FBI
                  > > > and
                  > > > > >> the
                  > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  > > > planetary
                  > > > > >> presence
                  > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                  He
                  > > had
                  > > > heard
                  > > > > >> the
                  > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                  > > relayed
                  > > > to
                  > > > > >> him
                  > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  > > > confirmation.
                  > > > > >> Why would
                  > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                  > US
                  > > > > >> boundaries
                  > > > > >> are
                  > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                  > > cover-up,
                  > > > and
                  > > > > >> how
                  > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                  > > been
                  > > > > >> decided.
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                  > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                  > options
                  > > > in the
                  > > > > >> future.
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                  > beliefs?
                  > > He
                  > > > is
                  > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                  is
                  > > > Lincoln
                  > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  > > > > >> figuratively?
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  > > > recognize
                  > > > > >> early
                  > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                  > > case,
                  > > > he
                  > > > > >> was
                  > > > > >> a
                  > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                  > life
                  > > > > >> circumstances
                  > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                  > human
                  > > > body
                  > > > > >> and
                  > > > > >> mind
                  > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  > > > conclusion
                  > > > > >> that
                  > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> The
                  > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> Issue 104,
                  > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> Election
                  > > > > >> Results
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> As predicted by
                  > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                  result,
                  > > > state by
                  > > > > >> state,
                  > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                  McCain
                  > > > ended up
                  > > > > >> in
                  > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                  > to
                  > > > the
                  > > > > >> actual
                  > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  > > > > >>
                  > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                  GOD
                  > is
                  > > > Not
                  > > > > >> MOCKED!
                  > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > ------------------------------------
                  >
                • nathaniel x vance
                  Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                    Okay Mr. Ted,
                    I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                    scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                    two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                    think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                    wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                    he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                    Messiah/Mahdi?
                    We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                    Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                    scratching his
                    > head
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: masanga@...
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > > Nathaniel,
                    > >
                    > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                    > >
                    > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                    about
                    > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                    know
                    > > of
                    > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                    > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                    > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                    universe, I
                    > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                    I have
                    > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                    > >
                    > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                    divine
                    > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                    > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                    in my
                    > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                    that
                    > > he
                    > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                    > >
                    > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                    presume to
                    > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                    to
                    > > date
                    > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                    mystery
                    > > to
                    > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                    > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                    divine
                    > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                    > >
                    > > Regan (masanga)
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                    > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > masanga,
                    > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                    about
                    > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                    > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                    If
                    > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                    > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                    > >
                    > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    > >>
                    > >> Nathaniel,
                    > >>
                    > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                    > > that my
                    > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                    > > great
                    > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                    have
                    > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                    > > knowledge,
                    > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                    > > desires,
                    > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                    things
                    > > as
                    > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                    will
                    > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                    > > said
                    > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                    > > And
                    > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                    > > children to
                    > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                    you
                    > > for
                    > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                    worked
                    > > long
                    > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                    both
                    > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                    > > encouragement
                    > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                    > > mental age
                    > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                    > >>
                    > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                    > > break
                    > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                    > > don't
                    > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                    me
                    > > in the
                    > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                    > > suggest
                    > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                    up.
                    > >>
                    > >> Sincerely,
                    > >> Regan (masanga)
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                    > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> Dear masanga,
                    > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                    answer
                    > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                    > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                    our
                    > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                    > > would
                    > >> your answer be?
                    > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                    before
                    > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                    qualifications;
                    > > Can
                    > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                    see
                    > > a
                    > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                    details
                    > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                    > > Obama,
                    > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                    > > earth
                    > >> would qualify.
                    > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                    > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                    > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                    > >>
                    > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                    > >> >
                    > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                    a
                    > >> certain
                    > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                    greedy
                    > >> > wicked...."
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                    > >> of our
                    > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                    > > anyone
                    > >> else
                    > >> > in this respect.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                    > > would
                    > >> win
                    > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                    > >> >
                    > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                    > >> needing any
                    > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                    > >> "seemingly
                    > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                    > >> seemed to
                    > >> > have a clear run to me.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                    > >> about
                    > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                    and
                    > >> praises
                    > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                    who
                    > >> asssisted
                    > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                    > >> protected
                    > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                    > >> >
                    > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                    > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                    really
                    > >> in
                    > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                    dominance?
                    > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                    facing
                    > > up
                    > >> to
                    > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                    which
                    > > is
                    > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                    a
                    > >> system
                    > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                    > > where
                    > >> the
                    > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                    become
                    > >> the
                    > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                    > > "Emperor").
                    > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                    > >> office
                    > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                    credit
                    > >> for
                    > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                    me.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                    cult!
                    > >> She is
                    > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    consciousness
                    > >> for the
                    > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    righteous."
                    > >> >
                    > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                    > >> I see
                    > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                    be
                    > >> as you
                    > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                    for
                    > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                    > >> think she
                    > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                    > >> independent
                    > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                    asserting
                    > >> the
                    > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                    > >> anonymous
                    > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                    on
                    > >> sheer
                    > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                    of
                    > >> the
                    > >> > terms.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    rediculed
                    > >> and
                    > >> > sconld...."
                    > >> >
                    > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                    > >> scold
                    > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                    impartially
                    > >> and
                    > >> > objectively.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    > >> morbid
                    > >> > intransigence...."
                    > >> >
                    > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                    > >> compromise" and
                    > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                    wants
                    > > us
                    > >> to
                    > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                    wonder
                    > >> what
                    > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                    think
                    > >> she
                    > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                    > > price.
                    > >> But
                    > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                    ours.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > > re-appearance
                    > >> of
                    > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                    > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    > > arguments."
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                    > >> we? Or
                    > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                    absurd
                    > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                    which
                    > >> she has
                    > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                    > > which
                    > >> you
                    > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                    she
                    > >> can
                    > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                    into
                    > >> an
                    > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                    or
                    > >> even
                    > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                    intelligence?
                    > >> It is
                    > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                    willing
                    > >> to pay
                    > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                    too
                    > >> high for
                    > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                    "full
                    > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                    > > own
                    > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                    > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                    and a
                    > >> lie the
                    > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                    > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Regards,
                    > >> > Regan
                    > >> >
                    > >> >
                    > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                    > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                    > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > >> >
                    > >> >
                    > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                    > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                    a
                    > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                    > > the
                    > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                    that
                    > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                    against
                    > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                    should
                    > > be
                    > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                    > > team
                    > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                    making
                    > >> this
                    > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                    > > clock
                    > >> > 24/7!!
                    > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                    cult!
                    > > She
                    > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    > >> consciousness
                    > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    > > rediculed
                    > >> > and sconld.
                    > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    morbid
                    > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                    years
                    > >> or
                    > >> > less!
                    > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    > > arguments.
                    > >> >
                    > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                    > >> > >
                    > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                    > >> bitch
                    > >> > at
                    > >> > > times.
                    > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                    > > me.
                    > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                    > > slightest,
                    > >> > the
                    > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                    > >> count.
                    > >> > And by
                    > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    > >> > >
                    > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                    > >> FANNIE
                    > >> > mae,
                    > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                    One
                    > >> > would
                    > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                    > > money
                    > >> > into
                    > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                    > >> idea,
                    > >> > and
                    > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                    damn
                    > >> > things.
                    > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                    Nancy's
                    > >> name
                    > >> > for
                    > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    > >> > friends.
                    > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                    > >> > > Later...
                    > >> > > Ted
                    > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > >> > > From: masanga@
                    > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > > [11-08-08]
                    > >> > >
                    > >> > >
                    > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    > >> > to get
                    > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    > >> > eventually
                    > >> > > > got
                    > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                    for
                    > > me
                    > >> in
                    > >> > my
                    > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                    > > days
                    > >> > and was
                    > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                    this
                    > >> > forum
                    > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                    > > election
                    > >> > of
                    > >> > > > Barack
                    > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                    of
                    > >> > them. The
                    > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                    tears
                    > > of
                    > >> > joy in
                    > >> > > > the
                    > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                    > > new
                    > >> > age has
                    > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    > >> > > > world-historic
                    > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                    > >> here.
                    > >> > Why
                    > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    > >> > election
                    > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    > >> > politicians
                    > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                    > > view
                    > >> > that
                    > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    > >> > constitutes
                    > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                    in
                    > >> > the
                    > >> > > > whole
                    > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                    Alfred
                    > >> > > > Lambremont
                    > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                    commitment
                    > > to
                    > >> > remove
                    > >> > > > the
                    > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                    > >> anything
                    > >> > > > myself
                    > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                    > > either.
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    > >> > found no
                    > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                    > > myself
                    > >> > from
                    > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    > >> > whenever I
                    > >> > > > am
                    > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                    performed
                    > >> > that
                    > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                    > > don't
                    > >> > want to
                    > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                    > > spectacle
                    > >> > may be.
                    > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                    of
                    > > the
                    > >> > Zeta -
                    > >> > > > on
                    > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                    > > those
                    > >> > among us
                    > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                    to
                    > > it.
                    > >> > So my
                    > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                    > > warning
                    > >> in
                    > >> > > > fact -
                    > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                    > > cult-building
                    > >> > > > activity
                    > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                    dictate
                    > >> their
                    > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                    freedom
                    > > to
                    > >> > do
                    > >> > > > that
                    > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    > >> > natural
                    > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    > >> > now
                    > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > > Warm regards,
                    > >> > > > Regan
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > >> > > > From: Ted
                    > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > >> [11-08-08]
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                    > >> > > > .
                    > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > >> > > > From: masanga@
                    > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > >> [11-08-08]
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    > >> > words of
                    > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                    who
                    > > is
                    > >> > > >> reported
                    > >> > > >> to have said:
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    > >> > > >> fantasies
                    > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> Regan
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                    earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                    > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> written
                    > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                    > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                    than
                    > > he
                    > >> > did on
                    > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                    found
                    > > out
                    > >> > in his
                    > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                    the
                    > >> new
                    > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                    shift?
                    > >> The
                    > >> > Zetas
                    > >> > > >> have
                    > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                    another] I
                    > >> > would
                    > >> > > >> like
                    > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                    Planet
                    > > X,
                    > >> > and if
                    > >> > > >> so
                    > >> > > >> was
                    > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                    conference
                    > >> > Friday the
                    > >> > > >> CNN
                    > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    > >> > "pause"
                    > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                    4th
                    > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                    > >> declined
                    > >> > to
                    > >> > > >> comment.
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                    > >> consensus
                    > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                    > > his
                    > >> > heart
                    > >> > > >> and
                    > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                    > >> Obama
                    > >> > looked
                    > >> > > >> older
                    > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                    > > the
                    > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                    > > candidacy.
                    > >> > Yet the
                    > >> > > >> race
                    > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                    > >> causing
                    > >> > him
                    > >> > > >> loss
                    > >> > > >> of
                    > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                    not
                    > >> > already
                    > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                    > > world
                    > >> > and
                    > >> > > >> what
                    > >> > > >> the
                    > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                    > > also
                    > >> > did not
                    > >> > > >> learn
                    > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                    and
                    > >> > company
                    > >> > > >> crimes,
                    > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                    the
                    > >> FBI
                    > >> > and
                    > >> > > >> the
                    > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    > >> > planetary
                    > >> > > >> presence
                    > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                    He
                    > >> had
                    > >> > heard
                    > >> > > >> the
                    > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                    > >> relayed
                    > >> > to
                    > >> > > >> him
                    > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    > >> > confirmation.
                    > >> > > >> Why would
                    > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                    the
                    > > US
                    > >> > > >> boundaries
                    > >> > > >> are
                    > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                    > >> cover-up,
                    > >> > and
                    > >> > > >> how
                    > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                    yet
                    > >> been
                    > >> > > >> decided.
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                    > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                    > > options
                    > >> > in the
                    > >> > > >> future.
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                    > > beliefs?
                    > >> He
                    > >> > is
                    > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                    is
                    > >> > Lincoln
                    > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                    speaking
                    > >> > > >> figuratively?
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                    many,
                    > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    > >> > recognize
                    > >> > > >> early
                    > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                    Obama's
                    > >> case,
                    > >> > he
                    > >> > > >> was
                    > >> > > >> a
                    > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                    > > life
                    > >> > > >> circumstances
                    > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                    > > human
                    > >> > body
                    > >> > > >> and
                    > >> > > >> mind
                    > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    > >> > conclusion
                    > >> > > >> that
                    > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> The
                    > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                    > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> Election
                    > >> > > >> Results
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> As predicted by
                    > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                    result,
                    > >> > state by
                    > >> > > >> state,
                    > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                    McCain
                    > >> > ended up
                    > >> > > >> in
                    > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                    polls,
                    > > to
                    > >> > the
                    > >> > > >> actual
                    > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    > >> > > >>
                    > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                    GOD
                    > > is
                    > >> > Not
                    > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                    > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > >
                    > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                  • masanga@talktalk.net
                    Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                      Dear Nathaniel,

                      Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                      you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                      no harm was done.

                      Be at peace.

                      Regan (masanga)


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: nathaniel x vance
                      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                      Dear Brother masanga,
                      Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                      and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                      you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                      rebellion out in me.
                      Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                      COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                      like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                      higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                      help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                      renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                      higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                      co-existence will be the order of the future!
                      Please pardon me.

                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Nathaniel,
                      >
                      > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                      >
                      > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                      about
                      > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                      know of
                      > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                      > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                      > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                      universe, I
                      > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                      have
                      > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                      >
                      > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                      divine
                      > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                      > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                      in my
                      > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                      that he
                      > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                      >
                      > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                      presume to
                      > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                      date
                      > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                      mystery to
                      > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                      > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                      divine
                      > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                      >
                      > Regan (masanga)
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > masanga,
                      > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                      > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                      > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                      > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                      > At any rate, I wish you well.
                      >
                      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Nathaniel,
                      > >
                      > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                      > that my
                      > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                      > great
                      > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                      > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                      > knowledge,
                      > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                      > desires,
                      > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                      things
                      > as
                      > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                      will
                      > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                      > said
                      > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                      > And
                      > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                      > children to
                      > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                      you
                      > for
                      > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                      worked
                      > long
                      > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                      both
                      > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                      > encouragement
                      > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                      > mental age
                      > > down to absolute zero in time.
                      > >
                      > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                      > break
                      > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                      > don't
                      > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                      me
                      > in the
                      > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                      > suggest
                      > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                      up.
                      > >
                      > > Sincerely,
                      > > Regan (masanga)
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                      > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Dear masanga,
                      > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                      answer
                      > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                      > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                      our
                      > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                      > would
                      > > your answer be?
                      > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                      before
                      > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                      > Can
                      > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                      see
                      > a
                      > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                      details
                      > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                      > Obama,
                      > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                      > earth
                      > > would qualify.
                      > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                      > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                      > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                      > >
                      > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                      > > >
                      > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                      a
                      > > certain
                      > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                      greedy
                      > > > wicked...."
                      > > >
                      > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                      > > of our
                      > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                      > anyone
                      > > else
                      > > > in this respect.
                      > > >
                      > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                      > would
                      > > win
                      > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                      > > >
                      > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                      > > needing any
                      > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                      > > "seemingly
                      > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                      > > seemed to
                      > > > have a clear run to me.
                      > > >
                      > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                      > > >
                      > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                      > > about
                      > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                      > > >
                      > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                      > > praises
                      > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                      > > asssisted
                      > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                      > > protected
                      > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                      > > >
                      > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                      > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                      really
                      > > in
                      > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                      dominance?
                      > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                      > up
                      > > to
                      > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                      > is
                      > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                      a
                      > > system
                      > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                      > where
                      > > the
                      > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                      become
                      > > the
                      > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                      > "Emperor").
                      > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                      > > office
                      > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                      credit
                      > > for
                      > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                      me.
                      > > >
                      > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                      cult!
                      > > She is
                      > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      consciousness
                      > > for the
                      > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                      > > >
                      > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                      > > I see
                      > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                      be
                      > > as you
                      > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                      for
                      > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                      > > think she
                      > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                      > > independent
                      > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                      asserting
                      > > the
                      > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                      > > anonymous
                      > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                      on
                      > > sheer
                      > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                      of
                      > > the
                      > > > terms.
                      > > >
                      > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                      rediculed
                      > > and
                      > > > sconld...."
                      > > >
                      > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                      > > scold
                      > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                      impartially
                      > > and
                      > > > objectively.
                      > > >
                      > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      > > morbid
                      > > > intransigence...."
                      > > >
                      > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                      > > compromise" and
                      > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                      > us
                      > > to
                      > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                      wonder
                      > > what
                      > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                      > > she
                      > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                      > price.
                      > > But
                      > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                      ours.
                      > > >
                      > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > re-appearance
                      > > of
                      > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                      > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > arguments."
                      > > >
                      > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                      > > we? Or
                      > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                      absurd
                      > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                      which
                      > > she has
                      > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                      > which
                      > > you
                      > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                      she
                      > > can
                      > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                      into
                      > > an
                      > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                      > > even
                      > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                      intelligence?
                      > > It is
                      > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                      willing
                      > > to pay
                      > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                      > > high for
                      > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                      "full
                      > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                      > own
                      > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                      > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                      a
                      > > lie the
                      > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                      > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                      > > >
                      > > > Regards,
                      > > > Regan
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                      > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                      > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                      > the
                      > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                      that
                      > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                      against
                      > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                      should
                      > be
                      > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                      > team
                      > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                      > > this
                      > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                      > clock
                      > > > 24/7!!
                      > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                      > She
                      > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      > > consciousness
                      > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                      > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                      > rediculed
                      > > > and sconld.
                      > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      morbid
                      > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                      years
                      > > or
                      > > > less!
                      > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > arguments.
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                      > > bitch
                      > > > at
                      > > > > times.
                      > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                      > me.
                      > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                      > slightest,
                      > > > the
                      > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                      > > count.
                      > > > And by
                      > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                      > > FANNIE
                      > > > mae,
                      > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                      One
                      > > > would
                      > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                      > money
                      > > > into
                      > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                      > > idea,
                      > > > and
                      > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                      damn
                      > > > things.
                      > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                      > > name
                      > > > for
                      > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      > > > friends.
                      > > > > Good to see you're back.
                      > > > > Later...
                      > > > > Ted
                      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > From: masanga@
                      > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > [11-08-08]
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > Hi Ted,
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      > > > to get
                      > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      > > > eventually
                      > > > > > got
                      > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                      > me
                      > > in
                      > > > my
                      > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                      > days
                      > > > and was
                      > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                      this
                      > > > forum
                      > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                      > election
                      > > > of
                      > > > > > Barack
                      > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                      of
                      > > > them. The
                      > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                      > of
                      > > > joy in
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                      > new
                      > > > age has
                      > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      > > > > > world-historic
                      > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                      > > here.
                      > > > Why
                      > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      > > > election
                      > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      > > > politicians
                      > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                      > view
                      > > > that
                      > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      > > > constitutes
                      > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                      in
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > whole
                      > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                      Alfred
                      > > > > > Lambremont
                      > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                      > to
                      > > > remove
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                      > > anything
                      > > > > > myself
                      > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                      > either.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      > > > found no
                      > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                      > myself
                      > > > from
                      > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      > > > whenever I
                      > > > > > am
                      > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                      performed
                      > > > that
                      > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                      > don't
                      > > > want to
                      > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                      > spectacle
                      > > > may be.
                      > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                      > the
                      > > > Zeta -
                      > > > > > on
                      > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                      > those
                      > > > among us
                      > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                      > it.
                      > > > So my
                      > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                      > warning
                      > > in
                      > > > > > fact -
                      > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                      > cult-building
                      > > > > > activity
                      > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                      > > their
                      > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                      freedom
                      > to
                      > > > do
                      > > > > > that
                      > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      > > > natural
                      > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      > > > now
                      > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Warm regards,
                      > > > > > Regan
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > From: Ted
                      > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > > [11-08-08]
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                      > > > > > .
                      > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > From: masanga@
                      > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > > [11-08-08]
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      > > > words of
                      > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                      who
                      > is
                      > > > > >> reported
                      > > > > >> to have said:
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      > > > > >> fantasies
                      > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Regan
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                      > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> written
                      > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                      > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                      > he
                      > > > did on
                      > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                      > out
                      > > > in his
                      > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                      the
                      > > new
                      > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                      shift?
                      > > The
                      > > > Zetas
                      > > > > >> have
                      > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                      I
                      > > > would
                      > > > > >> like
                      > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                      > X,
                      > > > and if
                      > > > > >> so
                      > > > > >> was
                      > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                      > > > Friday the
                      > > > > >> CNN
                      > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      > > > "pause"
                      > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                      4th
                      > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                      > > declined
                      > > > to
                      > > > > >> comment.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                      > > consensus
                      > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                      > his
                      > > > heart
                      > > > > >> and
                      > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                      > > Obama
                      > > > looked
                      > > > > >> older
                      > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                      > the
                      > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                      > candidacy.
                      > > > Yet the
                      > > > > >> race
                      > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                      > > causing
                      > > > him
                      > > > > >> loss
                      > > > > >> of
                      > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                      not
                      > > > already
                      > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                      > world
                      > > > and
                      > > > > >> what
                      > > > > >> the
                      > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                      > also
                      > > > did not
                      > > > > >> learn
                      > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                      > > > company
                      > > > > >> crimes,
                      > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                      the
                      > > FBI
                      > > > and
                      > > > > >> the
                      > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      > > > planetary
                      > > > > >> presence
                      > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                      He
                      > > had
                      > > > heard
                      > > > > >> the
                      > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                      > > relayed
                      > > > to
                      > > > > >> him
                      > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      > > > confirmation.
                      > > > > >> Why would
                      > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                      > US
                      > > > > >> boundaries
                      > > > > >> are
                      > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                      > > cover-up,
                      > > > and
                      > > > > >> how
                      > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                      > > been
                      > > > > >> decided.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                      > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                      > options
                      > > > in the
                      > > > > >> future.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                      > beliefs?
                      > > He
                      > > > is
                      > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                      is
                      > > > Lincoln
                      > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      > > > > >> figuratively?
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      > > > recognize
                      > > > > >> early
                      > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                      > > case,
                      > > > he
                      > > > > >> was
                      > > > > >> a
                      > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                      > life
                      > > > > >> circumstances
                      > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                      > human
                      > > > body
                      > > > > >> and
                      > > > > >> mind
                      > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      > > > conclusion
                      > > > > >> that
                      > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> The
                      > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Issue 104,
                      > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Election
                      > > > > >> Results
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> As predicted by
                      > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                      result,
                      > > > state by
                      > > > > >> state,
                      > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                      McCain
                      > > > ended up
                      > > > > >> in
                      > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                      > to
                      > > > the
                      > > > > >> actual
                      > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                      GOD
                      > is
                      > > > Not
                      > > > > >> MOCKED!
                      > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ------------------------------------
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