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  • masanga@talktalk.net
    Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
      Nathaniel,

      The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
      situation. You are evading the issue.

      Regan


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: nathaniel x vance
      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


      Dear masanga,
      Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
      must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
      rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
      of some kind of powerful medication?
      I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
      not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
      on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
      shouldn't be floating around up in there.
      My sympathy.

      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
      >
      > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
      Like
      > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
      especially
      > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
      not
      > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
      he
      > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
      as the
      > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
      > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
      powerful
      > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
      able to
      > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
      perceives
      > them to be.
      >
      > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
      probably
      > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
      his
      > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
      man, I
      > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
      in
      > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
      > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
      of
      > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
      > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
      > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
      that
      > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
      > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
      saviour
      > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
      can
      > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
      >
      > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
      of the
      > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
      problem
      > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
      that is
      > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
      > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
      free-market
      > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
      intelligent
      > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
      collective
      > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
      >
      > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
      worshipping
      > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
      in
      > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
      > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
      > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
      underlie
      > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
      torture, for
      > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
      humanity
      > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
      Obama and
      > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
      identified
      > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
      >
      > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
      pole
      > shift too.
      >
      > Cheers Ted,
      > Regan
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Ted
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
      > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
      at
      > times.
      > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
      > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
      the
      > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
      And by
      > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
      >
      > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
      mae,
      > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
      would
      > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
      into
      > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
      and
      > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
      things.
      > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
      for
      > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
      friends.
      > Good to see you're back.
      > Later...
      > Ted
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: masanga@...
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > > Hi Ted,
      > >
      > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
      to get
      > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
      eventually
      > > got
      > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
      my
      > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
      and was
      > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
      forum
      > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
      of
      > > Barack
      > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
      them. The
      > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
      joy in
      > > the
      > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
      age has
      > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
      > > world-historic
      > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
      Why
      > > not? I found this puzzling.
      > >
      > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
      election
      > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
      politicians
      > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
      that
      > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
      constitutes
      > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
      the
      > > whole
      > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
      > > Lambremont
      > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
      remove
      > > the
      > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
      > > myself
      > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
      > >
      > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
      found no
      > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
      from
      > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
      whenever I
      > > am
      > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
      that
      > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
      want to
      > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
      may be.
      > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
      Zeta -
      > > on
      > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
      among us
      > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
      So my
      > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
      > > fact -
      > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
      > > activity
      > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
      > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
      do
      > > that
      > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
      natural
      > > consequences of doing it.
      > >
      > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
      now
      > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
      > >
      > > Warm regards,
      > > Regan
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Ted
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >
      > >
      > > So you're back with a vengeance
      > > Well I meant a quote.
      > > .
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: masanga@...
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >
      > >
      > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
      words of
      > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
      > >> reported
      > >> to have said:
      > >>
      > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
      > >> fantasies
      > >> into the pit of destruction."
      > >>
      > >> Regan
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > >> From: nathaniel x vance
      > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
      TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
      ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
      earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ZetaTalk:
      > >> GodlikeProduction Live
      > >>
      > >> written
      > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      > >>
      > >> Questioner: Obama
      > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
      did on
      > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
      in his
      > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
      > >> president, what does it mean for the
      > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
      Zetas
      > >> have
      > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
      would
      > >> like
      > >> to ask the Zetas if on
      > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
      and if
      > >> so
      > >> was
      > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
      Friday the
      > >> CNN
      > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
      "pause"
      > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
      to
      > >> comment.
      > >>
      > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
      > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
      heart
      > >> and
      > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
      looked
      > >> older
      > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
      Yet the
      > >> race
      > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
      him
      > >> loss
      > >> of
      > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
      already
      > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
      and
      > >> what
      > >> the
      > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
      did not
      > >> learn
      > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
      company
      > >> crimes,
      > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
      and
      > >> the
      > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
      planetary
      > >> presence
      > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
      heard
      > >> the
      > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
      to
      > >> him
      > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
      confirmation.
      > >> Why would
      > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
      > >> boundaries
      > >> are
      > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
      and
      > >> how
      > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
      > >> decided.
      > >>
      > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      > >>
      > >> Zeta response: This
      > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
      in the
      > >> future.
      > >>
      > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
      is
      > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
      Lincoln
      > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      > >> figuratively?
      > >>
      > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
      recognize
      > >> early
      > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
      he
      > >> was
      > >> a
      > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      > >> circumstances
      > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
      body
      > >> and
      > >> mind
      > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
      conclusion
      > >> that
      > >> they have a new soul within.
      > >>
      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      > >>
      > >> The
      > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
      > >>
      > >> Issue 104,
      > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
      > >>
      > >> Election
      > >> Results
      > >>
      > >> As predicted by
      > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
      state by
      > >> state,
      > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
      ended up
      > >> in
      > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
      the
      > >> actual
      > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      > >>
      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      > >>
      > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
      Not
      > >> MOCKED!
      > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      > >> http://zetaheaven.org
      > >
      > >
      > > ------------------------------------
    • masanga@talktalk.net
      Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
        Nathaniel,

        I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
        mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
        compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
        extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
        unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
        and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
        they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
        automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
        that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
        Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
        come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
        this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
        and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
        confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
        to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
        down to absolute zero in time.

        I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
        from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
        want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
        first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
        that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

        Sincerely,
        Regan (masanga)


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: nathaniel x vance
        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


        Dear masanga,
        I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
        your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
        seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
        crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
        your answer be?
        Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
        someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
        you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
        UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
        to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
        his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
        would qualify.
        As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
        level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
        Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
        >
        > Dear Nathaniel,
        >
        > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
        certain
        > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
        > wicked...."
        >
        > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
        of our
        > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
        else
        > in this respect.
        >
        > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
        win
        > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
        >
        > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
        needing any
        > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
        "seemingly
        > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
        seemed to
        > have a clear run to me.
        >
        > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
        >
        > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
        about
        > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
        >
        > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
        praises
        > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
        asssisted
        > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
        protected
        > around the clock 24/7!!"
        >
        > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
        > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
        in
        > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
        > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
        to
        > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
        > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
        system
        > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
        the
        > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
        the
        > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
        > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
        office
        > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
        for
        > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
        >
        > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
        She is
        > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
        for the
        > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
        >
        > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
        I see
        > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
        as you
        > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
        > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
        think she
        > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
        independent
        > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
        the
        > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
        anonymous
        > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
        sheer
        > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
        the
        > terms.
        >
        > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
        and
        > sconld...."
        >
        > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
        scold
        > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
        and
        > objectively.
        >
        > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
        morbid
        > intransigence...."
        >
        > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
        compromise" and
        > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
        to
        > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
        what
        > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
        she
        > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
        But
        > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
        >
        > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
        of
        > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
        > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
        >
        > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
        we? Or
        > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
        > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
        she has
        > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
        you
        > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
        can
        > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
        an
        > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
        even
        > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
        It is
        > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
        to pay
        > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
        high for
        > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
        > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
        > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
        > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
        lie the
        > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
        > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
        >
        > Regards,
        > Regan
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: nathaniel x vance
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > Dear Regan, Ted,
        > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
        > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
        > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
        > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
        > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
        > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
        > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
        this
        > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
        > 24/7!!
        > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
        > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
        consciousness
        > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
        > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
        > and sconld.
        > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
        > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
        > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
        or
        > less!
        > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
        >
        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
        > >
        > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
        > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
        bitch
        > at
        > > times.
        > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
        > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
        > the
        > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
        count.
        > And by
        > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
        > >
        > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
        FANNIE
        > mae,
        > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
        > would
        > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
        > into
        > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
        idea,
        > and
        > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
        > things.
        > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
        name
        > for
        > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
        > friends.
        > > Good to see you're back.
        > > Later...
        > > Ted
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: masanga@
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > > > Hi Ted,
        > > >
        > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
        > to get
        > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
        > eventually
        > > > got
        > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
        in
        > my
        > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
        > and was
        > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
        > forum
        > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
        > of
        > > > Barack
        > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
        > them. The
        > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
        > joy in
        > > > the
        > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
        > age has
        > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
        > > > world-historic
        > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
        here.
        > Why
        > > > not? I found this puzzling.
        > > >
        > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
        > election
        > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
        > politicians
        > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
        > that
        > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
        > constitutes
        > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
        > the
        > > > whole
        > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
        > > > Lambremont
        > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
        > remove
        > > > the
        > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
        anything
        > > > myself
        > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
        > > >
        > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
        > found no
        > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
        > from
        > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
        > whenever I
        > > > am
        > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
        > that
        > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
        > want to
        > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
        > may be.
        > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
        > Zeta -
        > > > on
        > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
        > among us
        > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
        > So my
        > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
        in
        > > > fact -
        > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
        > > > activity
        > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
        their
        > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
        > do
        > > > that
        > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
        > natural
        > > > consequences of doing it.
        > > >
        > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
        > now
        > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
        > > >
        > > > Warm regards,
        > > > Regan
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: Ted
        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
        [11-08-08]
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > So you're back with a vengeance
        > > > Well I meant a quote.
        > > > .
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: masanga@
        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
        [11-08-08]
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
        > words of
        > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
        > > >> reported
        > > >> to have said:
        > > >>
        > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
        > > >> fantasies
        > > >> into the pit of destruction."
        > > >>
        > > >> Regan
        > > >>
        > > >>
        > > >> ----- Original Message -----
        > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
        > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
        > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
        > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
        > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
        > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > > >>
        > > >>
        > > >>
        > > >>
        > > >> ZetaTalk:
        > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
        > > >>
        > > >> written
        > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        > > >>
        > > >> Questioner: Obama
        > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
        > did on
        > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
        > in his
        > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
        new
        > > >> president, what does it mean for the
        > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
        The
        > Zetas
        > > >> have
        > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
        > would
        > > >> like
        > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
        > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
        > and if
        > > >> so
        > > >> was
        > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
        > Friday the
        > > >> CNN
        > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
        > "pause"
        > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
        declined
        > to
        > > >> comment.
        > > >>
        > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
        consensus
        > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
        > heart
        > > >> and
        > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
        Obama
        > looked
        > > >> older
        > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
        > Yet the
        > > >> race
        > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
        causing
        > him
        > > >> loss
        > > >> of
        > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
        > already
        > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
        > and
        > > >> what
        > > >> the
        > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
        > did not
        > > >> learn
        > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
        > company
        > > >> crimes,
        > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
        FBI
        > and
        > > >> the
        > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
        > planetary
        > > >> presence
        > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
        had
        > heard
        > > >> the
        > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
        relayed
        > to
        > > >> him
        > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
        > confirmation.
        > > >> Why would
        > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
        > > >> boundaries
        > > >> are
        > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
        cover-up,
        > and
        > > >> how
        > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
        been
        > > >> decided.
        > > >>
        > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        > > >>
        > > >> Zeta response: This
        > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
        > in the
        > > >> future.
        > > >>
        > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
        He
        > is
        > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
        > Lincoln
        > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > > >> figuratively?
        > > >>
        > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
        > recognize
        > > >> early
        > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
        case,
        > he
        > > >> was
        > > >> a
        > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        > > >> circumstances
        > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
        > body
        > > >> and
        > > >> mind
        > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
        > conclusion
        > > >> that
        > > >> they have a new soul within.
        > > >>
        > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        > > >>
        > > >> The
        > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
        > > >>
        > > >> Issue 104,
        > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
        > > >>
        > > >> Election
        > > >> Results
        > > >>
        > > >> As predicted by
        > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
        > state by
        > > >> state,
        > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
        > ended up
        > > >> in
        > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
        > the
        > > >> actual
        > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        > > >>
        > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        > > >>
        > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
        > Not
        > > >> MOCKED!
        > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > ------------------------------------
      • nathaniel x vance
        masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
          masanga,
          Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
          what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
          masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
          you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
          At any rate, I wish you well.

          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
          >
          > Nathaniel,
          >
          > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
          that my
          > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
          great
          > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
          > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
          knowledge,
          > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
          desires,
          > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
          as
          > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
          > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
          said
          > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
          And
          > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
          children to
          > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
          for
          > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
          long
          > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
          > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
          encouragement
          > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
          mental age
          > down to absolute zero in time.
          >
          > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
          break
          > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
          don't
          > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
          in the
          > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
          suggest
          > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
          >
          > Sincerely,
          > Regan (masanga)
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: nathaniel x vance
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > Dear masanga,
          > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
          > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
          > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
          > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
          would
          > your answer be?
          > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
          > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
          Can
          > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
          a
          > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
          > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
          Obama,
          > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
          earth
          > would qualify.
          > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
          > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
          > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
          >
          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
          > >
          > > Dear Nathaniel,
          > >
          > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          > certain
          > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
          > > wicked...."
          > >
          > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
          > of our
          > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
          anyone
          > else
          > > in this respect.
          > >
          > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
          would
          > win
          > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
          > >
          > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
          > needing any
          > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
          > "seemingly
          > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
          > seemed to
          > > have a clear run to me.
          > >
          > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
          > >
          > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
          > about
          > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
          > >
          > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
          > praises
          > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
          > asssisted
          > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
          > protected
          > > around the clock 24/7!!"
          > >
          > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
          > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
          > in
          > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
          > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
          up
          > to
          > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
          is
          > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
          > system
          > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
          where
          > the
          > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
          > the
          > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
          "Emperor").
          > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
          > office
          > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
          > for
          > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
          > >
          > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
          > She is
          > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
          > for the
          > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
          > >
          > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
          > I see
          > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
          > as you
          > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
          > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
          > think she
          > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
          > independent
          > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
          > the
          > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
          > anonymous
          > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
          > sheer
          > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
          > the
          > > terms.
          > >
          > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
          > and
          > > sconld...."
          > >
          > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
          > scold
          > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
          > and
          > > objectively.
          > >
          > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
          > morbid
          > > intransigence...."
          > >
          > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
          > compromise" and
          > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
          us
          > to
          > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
          > what
          > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
          > she
          > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
          price.
          > But
          > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
          > >
          > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          re-appearance
          > of
          > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
          > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
          arguments."
          > >
          > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
          > we? Or
          > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
          > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
          > she has
          > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
          which
          > you
          > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
          > can
          > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
          > an
          > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
          > even
          > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
          > It is
          > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
          > to pay
          > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
          > high for
          > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
          > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
          own
          > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
          > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
          > lie the
          > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
          > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
          > >
          > > Regards,
          > > Regan
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: nathaniel x vance
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
          > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > > Dear Regan, Ted,
          > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
          the
          > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
          > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
          > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
          be
          > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
          team
          > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
          > this
          > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
          clock
          > > 24/7!!
          > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
          She
          > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
          > consciousness
          > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
          > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
          rediculed
          > > and sconld.
          > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
          > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
          > or
          > > less!
          > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
          arguments.
          > >
          > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
          > > >
          > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
          > bitch
          > > at
          > > > times.
          > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
          me.
          > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
          slightest,
          > > the
          > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
          > count.
          > > And by
          > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
          > > >
          > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
          > FANNIE
          > > mae,
          > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
          > > would
          > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
          money
          > > into
          > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
          > idea,
          > > and
          > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
          > > things.
          > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
          > name
          > > for
          > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
          > > friends.
          > > > Good to see you're back.
          > > > Later...
          > > > Ted
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: masanga@
          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          [11-08-08]
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > > Hi Ted,
          > > > >
          > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
          > > to get
          > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
          > > eventually
          > > > > got
          > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
          me
          > in
          > > my
          > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
          days
          > > and was
          > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
          > > forum
          > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
          election
          > > of
          > > > > Barack
          > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
          > > them. The
          > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
          of
          > > joy in
          > > > > the
          > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
          new
          > > age has
          > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          > > > > world-historic
          > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
          > here.
          > > Why
          > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
          > > > >
          > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
          > > election
          > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
          > > politicians
          > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
          view
          > > that
          > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
          > > constitutes
          > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
          > > the
          > > > > whole
          > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          > > > > Lambremont
          > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
          to
          > > remove
          > > > > the
          > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
          > anything
          > > > > myself
          > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
          either.
          > > > >
          > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
          > > found no
          > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
          myself
          > > from
          > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
          > > whenever I
          > > > > am
          > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
          > > that
          > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
          don't
          > > want to
          > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
          spectacle
          > > may be.
          > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
          the
          > > Zeta -
          > > > > on
          > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
          those
          > > among us
          > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
          it.
          > > So my
          > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
          warning
          > in
          > > > > fact -
          > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
          cult-building
          > > > > activity
          > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
          > their
          > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
          to
          > > do
          > > > > that
          > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
          > > natural
          > > > > consequences of doing it.
          > > > >
          > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
          > > now
          > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          > > > >
          > > > > Warm regards,
          > > > > Regan
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > From: Ted
          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          > [11-08-08]
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
          > > > > Well I meant a quote.
          > > > > .
          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > > From: masanga@
          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          > [11-08-08]
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
          > > words of
          > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
          is
          > > > >> reported
          > > > >> to have said:
          > > > >>
          > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          > > > >> fantasies
          > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Regan
          > > > >>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
          > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
          > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > > > >>
          > > > >>
          > > > >>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> ZetaTalk:
          > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
          > > > >>
          > > > >> written
          > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Questioner: Obama
          > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
          he
          > > did on
          > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
          out
          > > in his
          > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
          > new
          > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
          > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
          > The
          > > Zetas
          > > > >> have
          > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
          > > would
          > > > >> like
          > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
          > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
          X,
          > > and if
          > > > >> so
          > > > >> was
          > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
          > > Friday the
          > > > >> CNN
          > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
          > > "pause"
          > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
          > declined
          > > to
          > > > >> comment.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
          > consensus
          > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
          his
          > > heart
          > > > >> and
          > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
          > Obama
          > > looked
          > > > >> older
          > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
          the
          > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
          candidacy.
          > > Yet the
          > > > >> race
          > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
          > causing
          > > him
          > > > >> loss
          > > > >> of
          > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
          > > already
          > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
          world
          > > and
          > > > >> what
          > > > >> the
          > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
          also
          > > did not
          > > > >> learn
          > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
          > > company
          > > > >> crimes,
          > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
          > FBI
          > > and
          > > > >> the
          > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
          > > planetary
          > > > >> presence
          > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
          > had
          > > heard
          > > > >> the
          > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
          > relayed
          > > to
          > > > >> him
          > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
          > > confirmation.
          > > > >> Why would
          > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
          US
          > > > >> boundaries
          > > > >> are
          > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
          > cover-up,
          > > and
          > > > >> how
          > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
          > been
          > > > >> decided.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Zeta response: This
          > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
          options
          > > in the
          > > > >> future.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
          beliefs?
          > He
          > > is
          > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
          > > Lincoln
          > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          > > > >> figuratively?
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
          > > recognize
          > > > >> early
          > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
          > case,
          > > he
          > > > >> was
          > > > >> a
          > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
          life
          > > > >> circumstances
          > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
          human
          > > body
          > > > >> and
          > > > >> mind
          > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
          > > conclusion
          > > > >> that
          > > > >> they have a new soul within.
          > > > >>
          > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> The
          > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Issue 104,
          > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          > > > >>
          > > > >> Election
          > > > >> Results
          > > > >>
          > > > >> As predicted by
          > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
          > > state by
          > > > >> state,
          > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
          > > ended up
          > > > >> in
          > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
          to
          > > the
          > > > >> actual
          > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          > > > >>
          > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
          is
          > > Not
          > > > >> MOCKED!
          > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
          > > > >
          > > > >
          > > > > ------------------------------------
          >
        • masanga@talktalk.net
          Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
            Nathaniel,

            Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

            You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
            Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
            me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
            whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
            multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
            must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
            only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

            Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
            commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
            acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
            view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
            can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

            But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
            know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
            it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
            me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
            business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
            commission without concerning myself with his too.

            Regan (masanga)


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: nathaniel x vance
            To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
            Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            masanga,
            Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
            what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
            masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
            you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
            At any rate, I wish you well.

            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
            >
            > Nathaniel,
            >
            > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
            that my
            > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
            great
            > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
            > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
            knowledge,
            > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
            desires,
            > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
            as
            > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
            > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
            said
            > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
            And
            > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
            children to
            > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
            for
            > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
            long
            > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
            > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
            encouragement
            > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
            mental age
            > down to absolute zero in time.
            >
            > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
            break
            > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
            don't
            > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
            in the
            > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
            suggest
            > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
            >
            > Sincerely,
            > Regan (masanga)
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: nathaniel x vance
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > Dear masanga,
            > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
            > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
            > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
            > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
            would
            > your answer be?
            > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
            > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
            Can
            > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
            a
            > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
            > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
            Obama,
            > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
            earth
            > would qualify.
            > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
            > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
            > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
            >
            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
            > >
            > > Dear Nathaniel,
            > >
            > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            > certain
            > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
            > > wicked...."
            > >
            > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
            > of our
            > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
            anyone
            > else
            > > in this respect.
            > >
            > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
            would
            > win
            > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
            > >
            > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
            > needing any
            > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
            > "seemingly
            > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
            > seemed to
            > > have a clear run to me.
            > >
            > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
            > >
            > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
            > about
            > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
            > >
            > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
            > praises
            > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
            > asssisted
            > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
            > protected
            > > around the clock 24/7!!"
            > >
            > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
            > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
            > in
            > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
            > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
            up
            > to
            > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
            is
            > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
            > system
            > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
            where
            > the
            > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
            > the
            > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
            "Emperor").
            > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
            > office
            > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
            > for
            > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
            > >
            > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
            > She is
            > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
            > for the
            > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
            > >
            > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
            > I see
            > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
            > as you
            > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
            > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
            > think she
            > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
            > independent
            > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
            > the
            > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
            > anonymous
            > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
            > sheer
            > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
            > the
            > > terms.
            > >
            > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
            > and
            > > sconld...."
            > >
            > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
            > scold
            > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
            > and
            > > objectively.
            > >
            > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
            > morbid
            > > intransigence...."
            > >
            > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
            > compromise" and
            > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
            us
            > to
            > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
            > what
            > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
            > she
            > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
            price.
            > But
            > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
            > >
            > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            re-appearance
            > of
            > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
            > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
            arguments."
            > >
            > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
            > we? Or
            > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
            > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
            > she has
            > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
            which
            > you
            > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
            > can
            > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
            > an
            > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
            > even
            > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
            > It is
            > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
            > to pay
            > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
            > high for
            > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
            > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
            own
            > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
            > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
            > lie the
            > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
            > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
            > >
            > > Regards,
            > > Regan
            > >
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: nathaniel x vance
            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
            > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >
            > >
            > > Dear Regan, Ted,
            > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
            the
            > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
            > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
            > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
            be
            > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
            team
            > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
            > this
            > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
            clock
            > > 24/7!!
            > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
            She
            > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
            > consciousness
            > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
            > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
            rediculed
            > > and sconld.
            > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
            > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
            > or
            > > less!
            > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
            arguments.
            > >
            > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
            > bitch
            > > at
            > > > times.
            > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
            me.
            > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
            slightest,
            > > the
            > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
            > count.
            > > And by
            > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
            > > >
            > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
            > FANNIE
            > > mae,
            > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
            > > would
            > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
            money
            > > into
            > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
            > idea,
            > > and
            > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
            > > things.
            > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
            > name
            > > for
            > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
            > > friends.
            > > > Good to see you're back.
            > > > Later...
            > > > Ted
            > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > From: masanga@
            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            [11-08-08]
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > > Hi Ted,
            > > > >
            > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
            > > to get
            > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
            > > eventually
            > > > > got
            > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
            me
            > in
            > > my
            > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
            days
            > > and was
            > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
            > > forum
            > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
            election
            > > of
            > > > > Barack
            > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
            > > them. The
            > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
            of
            > > joy in
            > > > > the
            > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
            new
            > > age has
            > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            > > > > world-historic
            > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
            > here.
            > > Why
            > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
            > > > >
            > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
            > > election
            > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
            > > politicians
            > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
            view
            > > that
            > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
            > > constitutes
            > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
            > > the
            > > > > whole
            > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            > > > > Lambremont
            > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
            to
            > > remove
            > > > > the
            > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
            > anything
            > > > > myself
            > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
            either.
            > > > >
            > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
            > > found no
            > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
            myself
            > > from
            > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
            > > whenever I
            > > > > am
            > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
            > > that
            > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
            don't
            > > want to
            > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
            spectacle
            > > may be.
            > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
            the
            > > Zeta -
            > > > > on
            > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
            those
            > > among us
            > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
            it.
            > > So my
            > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
            warning
            > in
            > > > > fact -
            > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
            cult-building
            > > > > activity
            > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
            > their
            > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
            to
            > > do
            > > > > that
            > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
            > > natural
            > > > > consequences of doing it.
            > > > >
            > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
            > > now
            > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            > > > >
            > > > > Warm regards,
            > > > > Regan
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > From: Ted
            > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            > [11-08-08]
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
            > > > > Well I meant a quote.
            > > > > .
            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > From: masanga@
            > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            > [11-08-08]
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
            > > words of
            > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
            is
            > > > >> reported
            > > > >> to have said:
            > > > >>
            > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            > > > >> fantasies
            > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Regan
            > > > >>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
            > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
            > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > > > >>
            > > > >>
            > > > >>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> ZetaTalk:
            > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
            > > > >>
            > > > >> written
            > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Questioner: Obama
            > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
            he
            > > did on
            > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
            out
            > > in his
            > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
            > new
            > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
            > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
            > The
            > > Zetas
            > > > >> have
            > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
            > > would
            > > > >> like
            > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
            > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
            X,
            > > and if
            > > > >> so
            > > > >> was
            > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
            > > Friday the
            > > > >> CNN
            > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
            > > "pause"
            > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
            > declined
            > > to
            > > > >> comment.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
            > consensus
            > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
            his
            > > heart
            > > > >> and
            > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
            > Obama
            > > looked
            > > > >> older
            > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
            the
            > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
            candidacy.
            > > Yet the
            > > > >> race
            > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
            > causing
            > > him
            > > > >> loss
            > > > >> of
            > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
            > > already
            > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
            world
            > > and
            > > > >> what
            > > > >> the
            > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
            also
            > > did not
            > > > >> learn
            > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
            > > company
            > > > >> crimes,
            > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
            > FBI
            > > and
            > > > >> the
            > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
            > > planetary
            > > > >> presence
            > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
            > had
            > > heard
            > > > >> the
            > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
            > relayed
            > > to
            > > > >> him
            > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
            > > confirmation.
            > > > >> Why would
            > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
            US
            > > > >> boundaries
            > > > >> are
            > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
            > cover-up,
            > > and
            > > > >> how
            > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
            > been
            > > > >> decided.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Zeta response: This
            > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
            options
            > > in the
            > > > >> future.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
            beliefs?
            > He
            > > is
            > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
            > > Lincoln
            > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            > > > >> figuratively?
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
            > > recognize
            > > > >> early
            > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
            > case,
            > > he
            > > > >> was
            > > > >> a
            > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
            life
            > > > >> circumstances
            > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
            human
            > > body
            > > > >> and
            > > > >> mind
            > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
            > > conclusion
            > > > >> that
            > > > >> they have a new soul within.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> The
            > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Issue 104,
            > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Election
            > > > >> Results
            > > > >>
            > > > >> As predicted by
            > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
            > > state by
            > > > >> state,
            > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
            > > ended up
            > > > >> in
            > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
            to
            > > the
            > > > >> actual
            > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
            is
            > > Not
            > > > >> MOCKED!
            > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > ------------------------------------
          • Ted
            You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his head ... From: To: Sent:
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
              You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
              head
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: <masanga@...>
              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              > Nathaniel,
              >
              > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
              >
              > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
              > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
              > of
              > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
              > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
              > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
              > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
              > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
              >
              > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
              > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
              > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
              > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
              > he
              > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
              >
              > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
              > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
              > date
              > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
              > to
              > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
              > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
              > commission without concerning myself with his too.
              >
              > Regan (masanga)
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: nathaniel x vance
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > masanga,
              > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
              > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
              > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
              > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
              > At any rate, I wish you well.
              >
              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
              >>
              >> Nathaniel,
              >>
              >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
              > that my
              >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
              > great
              >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
              >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
              > knowledge,
              >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
              > desires,
              >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
              > as
              >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
              >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
              > said
              >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
              > And
              >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
              > children to
              >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
              > for
              >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
              > long
              >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
              >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
              > encouragement
              >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
              > mental age
              >> down to absolute zero in time.
              >>
              >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
              > break
              >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
              > don't
              >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
              > in the
              >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
              > suggest
              >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
              >>
              >> Sincerely,
              >> Regan (masanga)
              >>
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: nathaniel x vance
              >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
              >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>
              >>
              >> Dear masanga,
              >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
              >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
              >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
              >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
              > would
              >> your answer be?
              >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
              >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
              > Can
              >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
              > a
              >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
              >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
              > Obama,
              >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
              > earth
              >> would qualify.
              >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
              >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
              >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
              >>
              >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
              >> >
              >> > Dear Nathaniel,
              >> >
              >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              >> certain
              >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
              >> > wicked...."
              >> >
              >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
              >> of our
              >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
              > anyone
              >> else
              >> > in this respect.
              >> >
              >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
              > would
              >> win
              >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
              >> >
              >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
              >> needing any
              >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
              >> "seemingly
              >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
              >> seemed to
              >> > have a clear run to me.
              >> >
              >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
              >> >
              >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
              >> about
              >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
              >> >
              >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
              >> praises
              >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
              >> asssisted
              >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
              >> protected
              >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
              >> >
              >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
              >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
              >> in
              >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
              >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
              > up
              >> to
              >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
              > is
              >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
              >> system
              >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
              > where
              >> the
              >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
              >> the
              >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
              > "Emperor").
              >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
              >> office
              >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
              >> for
              >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
              >> >
              >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              >> She is
              >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
              >> for the
              >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
              >> >
              >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
              >> I see
              >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
              >> as you
              >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
              >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
              >> think she
              >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
              >> independent
              >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
              >> the
              >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
              >> anonymous
              >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
              >> sheer
              >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
              >> the
              >> > terms.
              >> >
              >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              >> and
              >> > sconld...."
              >> >
              >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
              >> scold
              >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
              >> and
              >> > objectively.
              >> >
              >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
              >> morbid
              >> > intransigence...."
              >> >
              >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
              >> compromise" and
              >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
              > us
              >> to
              >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
              >> what
              >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
              >> she
              >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
              > price.
              >> But
              >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
              >> >
              >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              > re-appearance
              >> of
              >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
              >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
              > arguments."
              >> >
              >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
              >> we? Or
              >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
              >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
              >> she has
              >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
              > which
              >> you
              >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
              >> can
              >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
              >> an
              >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
              >> even
              >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
              >> It is
              >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
              >> to pay
              >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
              >> high for
              >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
              >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
              > own
              >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
              >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
              >> lie the
              >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
              >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
              >> >
              >> > Regards,
              >> > Regan
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > ----- Original Message -----
              >> > From: nathaniel x vance
              >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
              >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >> >
              >> >
              >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
              >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
              > the
              >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
              >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
              >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
              > be
              >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
              > team
              >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
              >> this
              >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
              > clock
              >> > 24/7!!
              >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              > She
              >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
              >> consciousness
              >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
              >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
              > rediculed
              >> > and sconld.
              >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
              >> or
              >> > less!
              >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
              > arguments.
              >> >
              >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
              >> > >
              >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
              >> bitch
              >> > at
              >> > > times.
              >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
              > me.
              >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
              > slightest,
              >> > the
              >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
              >> count.
              >> > And by
              >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              >> > >
              >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
              >> FANNIE
              >> > mae,
              >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              >> > would
              >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
              > money
              >> > into
              >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
              >> idea,
              >> > and
              >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              >> > things.
              >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
              >> name
              >> > for
              >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              >> > friends.
              >> > > Good to see you're back.
              >> > > Later...
              >> > > Ted
              >> > > ----- Original Message -----
              >> > > From: masanga@
              >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              > [11-08-08]
              >> > >
              >> > >
              >> > > > Hi Ted,
              >> > > >
              >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              >> > to get
              >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              >> > eventually
              >> > > > got
              >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
              > me
              >> in
              >> > my
              >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
              > days
              >> > and was
              >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              >> > forum
              >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
              > election
              >> > of
              >> > > > Barack
              >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              >> > them. The
              >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
              > of
              >> > joy in
              >> > > > the
              >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
              > new
              >> > age has
              >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              >> > > > world-historic
              >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
              >> here.
              >> > Why
              >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
              >> > > >
              >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              >> > election
              >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              >> > politicians
              >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
              > view
              >> > that
              >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              >> > constitutes
              >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              >> > the
              >> > > > whole
              >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              >> > > > Lambremont
              >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
              > to
              >> > remove
              >> > > > the
              >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
              >> anything
              >> > > > myself
              >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
              > either.
              >> > > >
              >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              >> > found no
              >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
              > myself
              >> > from
              >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              >> > whenever I
              >> > > > am
              >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              >> > that
              >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
              > don't
              >> > want to
              >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
              > spectacle
              >> > may be.
              >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
              > the
              >> > Zeta -
              >> > > > on
              >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
              > those
              >> > among us
              >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
              > it.
              >> > So my
              >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
              > warning
              >> in
              >> > > > fact -
              >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
              > cult-building
              >> > > > activity
              >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
              >> their
              >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
              > to
              >> > do
              >> > > > that
              >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              >> > natural
              >> > > > consequences of doing it.
              >> > > >
              >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              >> > now
              >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              >> > > >
              >> > > > Warm regards,
              >> > > > Regan
              >> > > >
              >> > > >
              >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
              >> > > > From: Ted
              >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              >> [11-08-08]
              >> > > >
              >> > > >
              >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
              >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
              >> > > > .
              >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
              >> > > > From: masanga@
              >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              >> [11-08-08]
              >> > > >
              >> > > >
              >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              >> > words of
              >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
              > is
              >> > > >> reported
              >> > > >> to have said:
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              >> > > >> fantasies
              >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Regan
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
              >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> written
              >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
              >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
              > he
              >> > did on
              >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
              > out
              >> > in his
              >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
              >> new
              >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
              >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
              >> The
              >> > Zetas
              >> > > >> have
              >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              >> > would
              >> > > >> like
              >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
              > X,
              >> > and if
              >> > > >> so
              >> > > >> was
              >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              >> > Friday the
              >> > > >> CNN
              >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              >> > "pause"
              >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
              >> declined
              >> > to
              >> > > >> comment.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
              >> consensus
              >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
              > his
              >> > heart
              >> > > >> and
              >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
              >> Obama
              >> > looked
              >> > > >> older
              >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
              > the
              >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
              > candidacy.
              >> > Yet the
              >> > > >> race
              >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
              >> causing
              >> > him
              >> > > >> loss
              >> > > >> of
              >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              >> > already
              >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
              > world
              >> > and
              >> > > >> what
              >> > > >> the
              >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
              > also
              >> > did not
              >> > > >> learn
              >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              >> > company
              >> > > >> crimes,
              >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
              >> FBI
              >> > and
              >> > > >> the
              >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              >> > planetary
              >> > > >> presence
              >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
              >> had
              >> > heard
              >> > > >> the
              >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
              >> relayed
              >> > to
              >> > > >> him
              >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              >> > confirmation.
              >> > > >> Why would
              >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
              > US
              >> > > >> boundaries
              >> > > >> are
              >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
              >> cover-up,
              >> > and
              >> > > >> how
              >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
              >> been
              >> > > >> decided.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Zeta response: This
              >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
              > options
              >> > in the
              >> > > >> future.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
              > beliefs?
              >> He
              >> > is
              >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              >> > Lincoln
              >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              >> > > >> figuratively?
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              >> > recognize
              >> > > >> early
              >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
              >> case,
              >> > he
              >> > > >> was
              >> > > >> a
              >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
              > life
              >> > > >> circumstances
              >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
              > human
              >> > body
              >> > > >> and
              >> > > >> mind
              >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              >> > conclusion
              >> > > >> that
              >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> The
              >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Issue 104,
              >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> Election
              >> > > >> Results
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> As predicted by
              >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              >> > state by
              >> > > >> state,
              >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              >> > ended up
              >> > > >> in
              >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
              > to
              >> > the
              >> > > >> actual
              >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              >> > > >>
              >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
              > is
              >> > Not
              >> > > >> MOCKED!
              >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              >> > > >
              >> > > >
              >> > > > ------------------------------------
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            • masanga@talktalk.net
              I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                concerned.

                However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Ted
                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                head
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: <masanga@...>
                To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                > Nathaniel,
                >
                > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                >
                > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                > of
                > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                >
                > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                > he
                > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                >
                > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                > date
                > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                > to
                > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                >
                > Regan (masanga)
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: nathaniel x vance
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > masanga,
                > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                > At any rate, I wish you well.
                >
                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                >>
                >> Nathaniel,
                >>
                >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                > that my
                >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                > great
                >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                > knowledge,
                >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                > desires,
                >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                > as
                >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                > said
                >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                > And
                >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                > children to
                >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                > for
                >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                > long
                >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                > encouragement
                >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                > mental age
                >> down to absolute zero in time.
                >>
                >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                > break
                >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                > don't
                >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                > in the
                >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                > suggest
                >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                >>
                >> Sincerely,
                >> Regan (masanga)
                >>
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: nathaniel x vance
                >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >>
                >>
                >> Dear masanga,
                >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                > would
                >> your answer be?
                >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                > Can
                >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                > a
                >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                > Obama,
                >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                > earth
                >> would qualify.
                >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                >>
                >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                >> >
                >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                >> >
                >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                >> certain
                >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                >> > wicked...."
                >> >
                >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                >> of our
                >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                > anyone
                >> else
                >> > in this respect.
                >> >
                >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                > would
                >> win
                >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                >> >
                >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                >> needing any
                >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                >> "seemingly
                >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                >> seemed to
                >> > have a clear run to me.
                >> >
                >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                >> >
                >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                >> about
                >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                >> >
                >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                >> praises
                >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                >> asssisted
                >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                >> protected
                >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                >> >
                >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                >> in
                >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                > up
                >> to
                >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                > is
                >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                >> system
                >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                > where
                >> the
                >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                >> the
                >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                > "Emperor").
                >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                >> office
                >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                >> for
                >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                >> >
                >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                >> She is
                >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                >> for the
                >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                >> >
                >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                >> I see
                >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                >> as you
                >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                >> think she
                >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                >> independent
                >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                >> the
                >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                >> anonymous
                >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                >> sheer
                >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                >> the
                >> > terms.
                >> >
                >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                >> and
                >> > sconld...."
                >> >
                >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                >> scold
                >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                >> and
                >> > objectively.
                >> >
                >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                >> morbid
                >> > intransigence...."
                >> >
                >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                >> compromise" and
                >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                > us
                >> to
                >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                >> what
                >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                >> she
                >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                > price.
                >> But
                >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                >> >
                >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                > re-appearance
                >> of
                >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                > arguments."
                >> >
                >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                >> we? Or
                >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                >> she has
                >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                > which
                >> you
                >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                >> can
                >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                >> an
                >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                >> even
                >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                >> It is
                >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                >> to pay
                >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                >> high for
                >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                > own
                >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                >> lie the
                >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                >> >
                >> > Regards,
                >> > Regan
                >> >
                >> >
                >> > ----- Original Message -----
                >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >> >
                >> >
                >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                > the
                >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                > be
                >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                > team
                >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                >> this
                >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                > clock
                >> > 24/7!!
                >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                > She
                >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                >> consciousness
                >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                > rediculed
                >> > and sconld.
                >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                >> or
                >> > less!
                >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                > arguments.
                >> >
                >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                >> > >
                >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                >> bitch
                >> > at
                >> > > times.
                >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                > me.
                >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                > slightest,
                >> > the
                >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                >> count.
                >> > And by
                >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                >> > >
                >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                >> FANNIE
                >> > mae,
                >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                >> > would
                >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                > money
                >> > into
                >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                >> idea,
                >> > and
                >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                >> > things.
                >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                >> name
                >> > for
                >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                >> > friends.
                >> > > Good to see you're back.
                >> > > Later...
                >> > > Ted
                >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                >> > > From: masanga@
                >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                > [11-08-08]
                >> > >
                >> > >
                >> > > > Hi Ted,
                >> > > >
                >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                >> > to get
                >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                >> > eventually
                >> > > > got
                >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                > me
                >> in
                >> > my
                >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                > days
                >> > and was
                >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                >> > forum
                >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                > election
                >> > of
                >> > > > Barack
                >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                >> > them. The
                >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                > of
                >> > joy in
                >> > > > the
                >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                > new
                >> > age has
                >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                >> > > > world-historic
                >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                >> here.
                >> > Why
                >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                >> > > >
                >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                >> > election
                >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                >> > politicians
                >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                > view
                >> > that
                >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                >> > constitutes
                >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                >> > the
                >> > > > whole
                >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                >> > > > Lambremont
                >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                > to
                >> > remove
                >> > > > the
                >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                >> anything
                >> > > > myself
                >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                > either.
                >> > > >
                >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                >> > found no
                >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                > myself
                >> > from
                >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                >> > whenever I
                >> > > > am
                >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                >> > that
                >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                > don't
                >> > want to
                >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                > spectacle
                >> > may be.
                >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                > the
                >> > Zeta -
                >> > > > on
                >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                > those
                >> > among us
                >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                > it.
                >> > So my
                >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                > warning
                >> in
                >> > > > fact -
                >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                > cult-building
                >> > > > activity
                >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                >> their
                >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                > to
                >> > do
                >> > > > that
                >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                >> > natural
                >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                >> > > >
                >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                >> > now
                >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                >> > > >
                >> > > > Warm regards,
                >> > > > Regan
                >> > > >
                >> > > >
                >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                >> > > > From: Ted
                >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                >> [11-08-08]
                >> > > >
                >> > > >
                >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                >> > > > .
                >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                >> > > > From: masanga@
                >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                >> [11-08-08]
                >> > > >
                >> > > >
                >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                >> > words of
                >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                > is
                >> > > >> reported
                >> > > >> to have said:
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                >> > > >> fantasies
                >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Regan
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> written
                >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                > he
                >> > did on
                >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                > out
                >> > in his
                >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                >> new
                >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                >> The
                >> > Zetas
                >> > > >> have
                >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                >> > would
                >> > > >> like
                >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                > X,
                >> > and if
                >> > > >> so
                >> > > >> was
                >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                >> > Friday the
                >> > > >> CNN
                >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                >> > "pause"
                >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                >> declined
                >> > to
                >> > > >> comment.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                >> consensus
                >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                > his
                >> > heart
                >> > > >> and
                >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                >> Obama
                >> > looked
                >> > > >> older
                >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                > the
                >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                > candidacy.
                >> > Yet the
                >> > > >> race
                >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                >> causing
                >> > him
                >> > > >> loss
                >> > > >> of
                >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                >> > already
                >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                > world
                >> > and
                >> > > >> what
                >> > > >> the
                >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                > also
                >> > did not
                >> > > >> learn
                >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                >> > company
                >> > > >> crimes,
                >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                >> FBI
                >> > and
                >> > > >> the
                >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                >> > planetary
                >> > > >> presence
                >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                >> had
                >> > heard
                >> > > >> the
                >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                >> relayed
                >> > to
                >> > > >> him
                >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                >> > confirmation.
                >> > > >> Why would
                >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                > US
                >> > > >> boundaries
                >> > > >> are
                >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                >> cover-up,
                >> > and
                >> > > >> how
                >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                >> been
                >> > > >> decided.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                > options
                >> > in the
                >> > > >> future.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                > beliefs?
                >> He
                >> > is
                >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                >> > Lincoln
                >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                >> > > >> figuratively?
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                >> > recognize
                >> > > >> early
                >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                >> case,
                >> > he
                >> > > >> was
                >> > > >> a
                >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                > life
                >> > > >> circumstances
                >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                > human
                >> > body
                >> > > >> and
                >> > > >> mind
                >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                >> > conclusion
                >> > > >> that
                >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> The
                >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Issue 104,
                >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Election
                >> > > >> Results
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> As predicted by
                >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                >> > state by
                >> > > >> state,
                >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                >> > ended up
                >> > > >> in
                >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                > to
                >> > the
                >> > > >> actual
                >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                > is
                >> > Not
                >> > > >> MOCKED!
                >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                >> > > >
                >> > > >
                >> > > > ------------------------------------
              • Ted
                Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                  Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                  Nancy's groupies.
                  He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                  Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                  wearing no close
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: <masanga@...>
                  To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                  > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                  >
                  > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                  > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                  > be
                  > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                  > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                  > concerned.
                  >
                  > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                  > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                  > he
                  > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Ted
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                  > his
                  > head
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: <masanga@...>
                  > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  >> Nathaniel,
                  >>
                  >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                  >>
                  >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                  >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                  >> of
                  >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                  >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                  >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                  >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                  >> have
                  >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                  >>
                  >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                  >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                  >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                  >> my
                  >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                  >> he
                  >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                  >>
                  >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                  >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                  >> date
                  >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                  >> to
                  >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                  >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                  >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                  >>
                  >> Regan (masanga)
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                  >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> masanga,
                  >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                  >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                  >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                  >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                  >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                  >>
                  >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                  >>>
                  >>> Nathaniel,
                  >>>
                  >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                  >> that my
                  >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                  >> great
                  >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                  >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                  >> knowledge,
                  >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                  >> desires,
                  >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                  >> as
                  >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                  >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                  >> said
                  >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                  >> And
                  >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                  >> children to
                  >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                  >> for
                  >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                  >> long
                  >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                  >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                  >> encouragement
                  >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                  >> mental age
                  >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                  >>>
                  >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                  >> break
                  >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                  >> don't
                  >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                  >> in the
                  >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                  >> suggest
                  >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                  >>>
                  >>> Sincerely,
                  >>> Regan (masanga)
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> ----- Original Message -----
                  >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                  >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                  >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> Dear masanga,
                  >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                  >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                  >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                  >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                  >> would
                  >>> your answer be?
                  >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                  >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                  >> Can
                  >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                  >> a
                  >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                  >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                  >> Obama,
                  >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                  >> earth
                  >>> would qualify.
                  >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                  >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                  >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                  >>>
                  >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                  >>> >
                  >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                  >>> >
                  >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  >>> certain
                  >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                  >>> > wicked...."
                  >>> >
                  >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                  >>> of our
                  >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                  >> anyone
                  >>> else
                  >>> > in this respect.
                  >>> >
                  >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                  >> would
                  >>> win
                  >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                  >>> >
                  >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                  >>> needing any
                  >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                  >>> "seemingly
                  >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                  >>> seemed to
                  >>> > have a clear run to me.
                  >>> >
                  >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                  >>> >
                  >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                  >>> about
                  >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                  >>> >
                  >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                  >>> praises
                  >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                  >>> asssisted
                  >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                  >>> protected
                  >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                  >>> >
                  >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                  >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                  >>> in
                  >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                  >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                  >> up
                  >>> to
                  >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                  >> is
                  >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                  >>> system
                  >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                  >> where
                  >>> the
                  >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                  >>> the
                  >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                  >> "Emperor").
                  >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                  >>> office
                  >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                  >>> for
                  >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                  >>> >
                  >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  >>> She is
                  >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                  >>> for the
                  >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                  >>> >
                  >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                  >>> I see
                  >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                  >>> as you
                  >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                  >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                  >>> think she
                  >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                  >>> independent
                  >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                  >>> the
                  >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                  >>> anonymous
                  >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                  >>> sheer
                  >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                  >>> the
                  >>> > terms.
                  >>> >
                  >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                  >>> and
                  >>> > sconld...."
                  >>> >
                  >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                  >>> scold
                  >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                  >>> and
                  >>> > objectively.
                  >>> >
                  >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  >>> morbid
                  >>> > intransigence...."
                  >>> >
                  >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                  >>> compromise" and
                  >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                  >> us
                  >>> to
                  >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                  >>> what
                  >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                  >>> she
                  >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                  >> price.
                  >>> But
                  >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                  >>> >
                  >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  >> re-appearance
                  >>> of
                  >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                  >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  >> arguments."
                  >>> >
                  >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                  >>> we? Or
                  >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                  >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                  >>> she has
                  >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                  >> which
                  >>> you
                  >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                  >>> can
                  >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                  >>> an
                  >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                  >>> even
                  >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                  >>> It is
                  >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                  >>> to pay
                  >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                  >>> high for
                  >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                  >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                  >> own
                  >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                  >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                  >>> lie the
                  >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                  >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                  >>> >
                  >>> > Regards,
                  >>> > Regan
                  >>> >
                  >>> >
                  >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                  >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                  >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                  >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >>> >
                  >>> >
                  >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                  >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                  >> the
                  >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                  >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                  >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                  >> be
                  >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                  >> team
                  >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                  >>> this
                  >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                  >> clock
                  >>> > 24/7!!
                  >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  >> She
                  >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  >>> consciousness
                  >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                  >> rediculed
                  >>> > and sconld.
                  >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                  >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                  >>> or
                  >>> > less!
                  >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  >> arguments.
                  >>> >
                  >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                  >>> > >
                  >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                  >>> bitch
                  >>> > at
                  >>> > > times.
                  >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                  >> me.
                  >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                  >> slightest,
                  >>> > the
                  >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                  >>> count.
                  >>> > And by
                  >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  >>> > >
                  >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                  >>> FANNIE
                  >>> > mae,
                  >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                  >>> > would
                  >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                  >> money
                  >>> > into
                  >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                  >>> idea,
                  >>> > and
                  >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                  >>> > things.
                  >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                  >>> name
                  >>> > for
                  >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  >>> > friends.
                  >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                  >>> > > Later...
                  >>> > > Ted
                  >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                  >>> > > From: masanga@
                  >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  >> [11-08-08]
                  >>> > >
                  >>> > >
                  >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  >>> > to get
                  >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  >>> > eventually
                  >>> > > > got
                  >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                  >> me
                  >>> in
                  >>> > my
                  >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                  >> days
                  >>> > and was
                  >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                  >>> > forum
                  >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                  >> election
                  >>> > of
                  >>> > > > Barack
                  >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                  >>> > them. The
                  >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                  >> of
                  >>> > joy in
                  >>> > > > the
                  >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                  >> new
                  >>> > age has
                  >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  >>> > > > world-historic
                  >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                  >>> here.
                  >>> > Why
                  >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  >>> > election
                  >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  >>> > politicians
                  >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                  >> view
                  >>> > that
                  >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  >>> > constitutes
                  >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                  >>> > the
                  >>> > > > whole
                  >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  >>> > > > Lambremont
                  >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                  >> to
                  >>> > remove
                  >>> > > > the
                  >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                  >>> anything
                  >>> > > > myself
                  >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                  >> either.
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  >>> > found no
                  >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                  >> myself
                  >>> > from
                  >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  >>> > whenever I
                  >>> > > > am
                  >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                  >>> > that
                  >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                  >> don't
                  >>> > want to
                  >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                  >> spectacle
                  >>> > may be.
                  >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                  >> the
                  >>> > Zeta -
                  >>> > > > on
                  >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                  >> those
                  >>> > among us
                  >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                  >> it.
                  >>> > So my
                  >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                  >> warning
                  >>> in
                  >>> > > > fact -
                  >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                  >> cult-building
                  >>> > > > activity
                  >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                  >>> their
                  >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                  >> to
                  >>> > do
                  >>> > > > that
                  >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  >>> > natural
                  >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  >>> > now
                  >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > > Warm regards,
                  >>> > > > Regan
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  >>> > > > From: Ted
                  >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  >>> [11-08-08]
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                  >>> > > > .
                  >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  >>> > > > From: masanga@
                  >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  >>> [11-08-08]
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  >>> > words of
                  >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                  >> is
                  >>> > > >> reported
                  >>> > > >> to have said:
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  >>> > > >> fantasies
                  >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> Regan
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                  >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> written
                  >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                  >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                  >> he
                  >>> > did on
                  >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                  >> out
                  >>> > in his
                  >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                  >>> new
                  >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                  >>> The
                  >>> > Zetas
                  >>> > > >> have
                  >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                  >>> > would
                  >>> > > >> like
                  >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                  >> X,
                  >>> > and if
                  >>> > > >> so
                  >>> > > >> was
                  >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                  >>> > Friday the
                  >>> > > >> CNN
                  >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  >>> > "pause"
                  >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                  >>> declined
                  >>> > to
                  >>> > > >> comment.
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                  >>> consensus
                  >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                  >> his
                  >>> > heart
                  >>> > > >> and
                  >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                  >>> Obama
                  >>> > looked
                  >>> > > >> older
                  >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                  >> the
                  >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                  >> candidacy.
                  >>> > Yet the
                  >>> > > >> race
                  >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                  >>> causing
                  >>> > him
                  >>> > > >> loss
                  >>> > > >> of
                  >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                  >>> > already
                  >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                  >> world
                  >>> > and
                  >>> > > >> what
                  >>> > > >> the
                  >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                  >> also
                  >>> > did not
                  >>> > > >> learn
                  >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                  >>> > company
                  >>> > > >> crimes,
                  >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                  >>> FBI
                  >>> > and
                  >>> > > >> the
                  >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  >>> > planetary
                  >>> > > >> presence
                  >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                  >>> had
                  >>> > heard
                  >>> > > >> the
                  >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                  >>> relayed
                  >>> > to
                  >>> > > >> him
                  >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  >>> > confirmation.
                  >>> > > >> Why would
                  >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                  >> US
                  >>> > > >> boundaries
                  >>> > > >> are
                  >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                  >>> cover-up,
                  >>> > and
                  >>> > > >> how
                  >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                  >>> been
                  >>> > > >> decided.
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                  >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                  >> options
                  >>> > in the
                  >>> > > >> future.
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                  >> beliefs?
                  >>> He
                  >>> > is
                  >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                  >>> > Lincoln
                  >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  >>> > > >> figuratively?
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  >>> > recognize
                  >>> > > >> early
                  >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                  >>> case,
                  >>> > he
                  >>> > > >> was
                  >>> > > >> a
                  >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                  >> life
                  >>> > > >> circumstances
                  >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                  >> human
                  >>> > body
                  >>> > > >> and
                  >>> > > >> mind
                  >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  >>> > conclusion
                  >>> > > >> that
                  >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> The
                  >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                  >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> Election
                  >>> > > >> Results
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> As predicted by
                  >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                  >>> > state by
                  >>> > > >> state,
                  >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                  >>> > ended up
                  >>> > > >> in
                  >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                  >> to
                  >>> > the
                  >>> > > >> actual
                  >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  >>> > > >>
                  >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                  >> is
                  >>> > Not
                  >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                  >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > >
                  >>> > > > ------------------------------------
                  >
                  >
                  > ------------------------------------
                  >
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                  >
                  >
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                • nathaniel x vance
                  Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                    Dear Brother masanga,
                    Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                    and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                    you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                    rebellion out in me.
                    Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                    COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                    like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                    higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                    help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                    renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                    higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                    co-existence will be the order of the future!
                    Please pardon me.

                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Nathaniel,
                    >
                    > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                    >
                    > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                    about
                    > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                    know of
                    > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                    > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                    > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                    universe, I
                    > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                    have
                    > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                    >
                    > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                    divine
                    > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                    > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                    in my
                    > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                    that he
                    > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                    >
                    > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                    presume to
                    > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                    date
                    > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                    mystery to
                    > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                    > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                    divine
                    > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                    >
                    > Regan (masanga)
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > masanga,
                    > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                    > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                    > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                    > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                    > At any rate, I wish you well.
                    >
                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Nathaniel,
                    > >
                    > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                    > that my
                    > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                    > great
                    > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                    > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                    > knowledge,
                    > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                    > desires,
                    > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                    things
                    > as
                    > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                    will
                    > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                    > said
                    > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                    > And
                    > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                    > children to
                    > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                    you
                    > for
                    > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                    worked
                    > long
                    > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                    both
                    > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                    > encouragement
                    > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                    > mental age
                    > > down to absolute zero in time.
                    > >
                    > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                    > break
                    > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                    > don't
                    > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                    me
                    > in the
                    > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                    > suggest
                    > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                    up.
                    > >
                    > > Sincerely,
                    > > Regan (masanga)
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                    > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Dear masanga,
                    > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                    answer
                    > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                    > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                    our
                    > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                    > would
                    > > your answer be?
                    > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                    before
                    > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                    > Can
                    > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                    see
                    > a
                    > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                    details
                    > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                    > Obama,
                    > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                    > earth
                    > > would qualify.
                    > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                    > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                    > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                    > >
                    > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                    > > >
                    > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                    a
                    > > certain
                    > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                    greedy
                    > > > wicked...."
                    > > >
                    > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                    > > of our
                    > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                    > anyone
                    > > else
                    > > > in this respect.
                    > > >
                    > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                    > would
                    > > win
                    > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                    > > >
                    > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                    > > needing any
                    > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                    > > "seemingly
                    > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                    > > seemed to
                    > > > have a clear run to me.
                    > > >
                    > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                    > > >
                    > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                    > > about
                    > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                    > > >
                    > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                    > > praises
                    > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                    > > asssisted
                    > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                    > > protected
                    > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                    > > >
                    > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                    > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                    really
                    > > in
                    > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                    dominance?
                    > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                    > up
                    > > to
                    > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                    > is
                    > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                    a
                    > > system
                    > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                    > where
                    > > the
                    > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                    become
                    > > the
                    > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                    > "Emperor").
                    > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                    > > office
                    > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                    credit
                    > > for
                    > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                    me.
                    > > >
                    > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                    cult!
                    > > She is
                    > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    consciousness
                    > > for the
                    > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                    > > >
                    > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                    > > I see
                    > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                    be
                    > > as you
                    > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                    for
                    > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                    > > think she
                    > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                    > > independent
                    > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                    asserting
                    > > the
                    > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                    > > anonymous
                    > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                    on
                    > > sheer
                    > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                    of
                    > > the
                    > > > terms.
                    > > >
                    > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    rediculed
                    > > and
                    > > > sconld...."
                    > > >
                    > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                    > > scold
                    > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                    impartially
                    > > and
                    > > > objectively.
                    > > >
                    > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    > > morbid
                    > > > intransigence...."
                    > > >
                    > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                    > > compromise" and
                    > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                    > us
                    > > to
                    > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                    wonder
                    > > what
                    > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                    > > she
                    > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                    > price.
                    > > But
                    > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                    ours.
                    > > >
                    > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > re-appearance
                    > > of
                    > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                    > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    > arguments."
                    > > >
                    > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                    > > we? Or
                    > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                    absurd
                    > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                    which
                    > > she has
                    > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                    > which
                    > > you
                    > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                    she
                    > > can
                    > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                    into
                    > > an
                    > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                    > > even
                    > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                    intelligence?
                    > > It is
                    > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                    willing
                    > > to pay
                    > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                    > > high for
                    > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                    "full
                    > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                    > own
                    > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                    > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                    a
                    > > lie the
                    > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                    > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                    > > >
                    > > > Regards,
                    > > > Regan
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                    > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                    > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                    > the
                    > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                    that
                    > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                    against
                    > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                    should
                    > be
                    > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                    > team
                    > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                    > > this
                    > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                    > clock
                    > > > 24/7!!
                    > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    > She
                    > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    > > consciousness
                    > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    > rediculed
                    > > > and sconld.
                    > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    morbid
                    > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                    years
                    > > or
                    > > > less!
                    > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    > arguments.
                    > > >
                    > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                    > > bitch
                    > > > at
                    > > > > times.
                    > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                    > me.
                    > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                    > slightest,
                    > > > the
                    > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                    > > count.
                    > > > And by
                    > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                    > > FANNIE
                    > > > mae,
                    > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                    One
                    > > > would
                    > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                    > money
                    > > > into
                    > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                    > > idea,
                    > > > and
                    > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                    damn
                    > > > things.
                    > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                    > > name
                    > > > for
                    > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    > > > friends.
                    > > > > Good to see you're back.
                    > > > > Later...
                    > > > > Ted
                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > From: masanga@
                    > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > [11-08-08]
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > > Hi Ted,
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    > > > to get
                    > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    > > > eventually
                    > > > > > got
                    > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                    > me
                    > > in
                    > > > my
                    > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                    > days
                    > > > and was
                    > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                    this
                    > > > forum
                    > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                    > election
                    > > > of
                    > > > > > Barack
                    > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                    of
                    > > > them. The
                    > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                    > of
                    > > > joy in
                    > > > > > the
                    > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                    > new
                    > > > age has
                    > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    > > > > > world-historic
                    > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                    > > here.
                    > > > Why
                    > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    > > > election
                    > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    > > > politicians
                    > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                    > view
                    > > > that
                    > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    > > > constitutes
                    > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                    in
                    > > > the
                    > > > > > whole
                    > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                    Alfred
                    > > > > > Lambremont
                    > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                    > to
                    > > > remove
                    > > > > > the
                    > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                    > > anything
                    > > > > > myself
                    > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                    > either.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    > > > found no
                    > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                    > myself
                    > > > from
                    > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    > > > whenever I
                    > > > > > am
                    > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                    performed
                    > > > that
                    > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                    > don't
                    > > > want to
                    > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                    > spectacle
                    > > > may be.
                    > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                    > the
                    > > > Zeta -
                    > > > > > on
                    > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                    > those
                    > > > among us
                    > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                    > it.
                    > > > So my
                    > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                    > warning
                    > > in
                    > > > > > fact -
                    > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                    > cult-building
                    > > > > > activity
                    > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                    > > their
                    > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                    freedom
                    > to
                    > > > do
                    > > > > > that
                    > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    > > > natural
                    > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    > > > now
                    > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > Warm regards,
                    > > > > > Regan
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > From: Ted
                    > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > > [11-08-08]
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                    > > > > > .
                    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > > From: masanga@
                    > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > > [11-08-08]
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    > > > words of
                    > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                    who
                    > is
                    > > > > >> reported
                    > > > > >> to have said:
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    > > > > >> fantasies
                    > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Regan
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                    ;
                    > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                    > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> written
                    > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                    > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                    > he
                    > > > did on
                    > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                    > out
                    > > > in his
                    > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                    the
                    > > new
                    > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                    shift?
                    > > The
                    > > > Zetas
                    > > > > >> have
                    > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                    I
                    > > > would
                    > > > > >> like
                    > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                    > X,
                    > > > and if
                    > > > > >> so
                    > > > > >> was
                    > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                    > > > Friday the
                    > > > > >> CNN
                    > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    > > > "pause"
                    > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                    4th
                    > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                    > > declined
                    > > > to
                    > > > > >> comment.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                    > > consensus
                    > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                    > his
                    > > > heart
                    > > > > >> and
                    > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                    > > Obama
                    > > > looked
                    > > > > >> older
                    > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                    > the
                    > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                    > candidacy.
                    > > > Yet the
                    > > > > >> race
                    > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                    > > causing
                    > > > him
                    > > > > >> loss
                    > > > > >> of
                    > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                    not
                    > > > already
                    > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                    > world
                    > > > and
                    > > > > >> what
                    > > > > >> the
                    > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                    > also
                    > > > did not
                    > > > > >> learn
                    > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                    > > > company
                    > > > > >> crimes,
                    > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                    the
                    > > FBI
                    > > > and
                    > > > > >> the
                    > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    > > > planetary
                    > > > > >> presence
                    > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                    He
                    > > had
                    > > > heard
                    > > > > >> the
                    > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                    > > relayed
                    > > > to
                    > > > > >> him
                    > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    > > > confirmation.
                    > > > > >> Why would
                    > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                    > US
                    > > > > >> boundaries
                    > > > > >> are
                    > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                    > > cover-up,
                    > > > and
                    > > > > >> how
                    > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                    > > been
                    > > > > >> decided.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                    > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                    > options
                    > > > in the
                    > > > > >> future.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                    > beliefs?
                    > > He
                    > > > is
                    > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                    is
                    > > > Lincoln
                    > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    > > > > >> figuratively?
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    > > > recognize
                    > > > > >> early
                    > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                    > > case,
                    > > > he
                    > > > > >> was
                    > > > > >> a
                    > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                    > life
                    > > > > >> circumstances
                    > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                    > human
                    > > > body
                    > > > > >> and
                    > > > > >> mind
                    > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    > > > conclusion
                    > > > > >> that
                    > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> The
                    > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Issue 104,
                    > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> Election
                    > > > > >> Results
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> As predicted by
                    > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                    result,
                    > > > state by
                    > > > > >> state,
                    > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                    McCain
                    > > > ended up
                    > > > > >> in
                    > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                    > to
                    > > > the
                    > > > > >> actual
                    > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    > > > > >>
                    > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                    GOD
                    > is
                    > > > Not
                    > > > > >> MOCKED!
                    > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > ------------------------------------
                    >
                  • nathaniel x vance
                    Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                      Okay Mr. Ted,
                      I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                      scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                      two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                      think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                      wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                      he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                      Messiah/Mahdi?
                      We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                      Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                      scratching his
                      > head
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: masanga@...
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > > Nathaniel,
                      > >
                      > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                      > >
                      > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                      about
                      > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                      know
                      > > of
                      > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                      > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                      > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                      universe, I
                      > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                      I have
                      > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                      > >
                      > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                      divine
                      > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                      > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                      in my
                      > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                      that
                      > > he
                      > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                      > >
                      > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                      presume to
                      > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                      to
                      > > date
                      > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                      mystery
                      > > to
                      > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                      > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                      divine
                      > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                      > >
                      > > Regan (masanga)
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                      > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > masanga,
                      > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                      about
                      > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                      > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                      If
                      > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                      > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                      > >
                      > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                      > >>
                      > >> Nathaniel,
                      > >>
                      > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                      > > that my
                      > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                      > > great
                      > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                      have
                      > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                      > > knowledge,
                      > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                      > > desires,
                      > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                      things
                      > > as
                      > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                      will
                      > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                      > > said
                      > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                      > > And
                      > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                      > > children to
                      > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                      you
                      > > for
                      > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                      worked
                      > > long
                      > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                      both
                      > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                      > > encouragement
                      > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                      > > mental age
                      > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                      > >>
                      > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                      > > break
                      > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                      > > don't
                      > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                      me
                      > > in the
                      > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                      > > suggest
                      > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                      up.
                      > >>
                      > >> Sincerely,
                      > >> Regan (masanga)
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                      > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> Dear masanga,
                      > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                      answer
                      > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                      > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                      our
                      > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                      > > would
                      > >> your answer be?
                      > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                      before
                      > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                      qualifications;
                      > > Can
                      > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                      see
                      > > a
                      > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                      details
                      > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                      > > Obama,
                      > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                      > > earth
                      > >> would qualify.
                      > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                      > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                      > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                      > >>
                      > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                      > >> >
                      > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                      > >> >
                      > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                      a
                      > >> certain
                      > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                      greedy
                      > >> > wicked...."
                      > >> >
                      > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                      > >> of our
                      > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                      > > anyone
                      > >> else
                      > >> > in this respect.
                      > >> >
                      > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                      > > would
                      > >> win
                      > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                      > >> >
                      > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                      > >> needing any
                      > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                      > >> "seemingly
                      > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                      > >> seemed to
                      > >> > have a clear run to me.
                      > >> >
                      > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                      > >> >
                      > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                      > >> about
                      > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                      > >> >
                      > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                      and
                      > >> praises
                      > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                      who
                      > >> asssisted
                      > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                      > >> protected
                      > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                      > >> >
                      > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                      > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                      really
                      > >> in
                      > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                      dominance?
                      > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                      facing
                      > > up
                      > >> to
                      > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                      which
                      > > is
                      > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                      a
                      > >> system
                      > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                      > > where
                      > >> the
                      > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                      become
                      > >> the
                      > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                      > > "Emperor").
                      > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                      > >> office
                      > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                      credit
                      > >> for
                      > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                      me.
                      > >> >
                      > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                      cult!
                      > >> She is
                      > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      consciousness
                      > >> for the
                      > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                      righteous."
                      > >> >
                      > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                      > >> I see
                      > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                      be
                      > >> as you
                      > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                      for
                      > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                      > >> think she
                      > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                      > >> independent
                      > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                      asserting
                      > >> the
                      > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                      > >> anonymous
                      > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                      on
                      > >> sheer
                      > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                      of
                      > >> the
                      > >> > terms.
                      > >> >
                      > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                      rediculed
                      > >> and
                      > >> > sconld...."
                      > >> >
                      > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                      > >> scold
                      > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                      impartially
                      > >> and
                      > >> > objectively.
                      > >> >
                      > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      > >> morbid
                      > >> > intransigence...."
                      > >> >
                      > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                      > >> compromise" and
                      > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                      wants
                      > > us
                      > >> to
                      > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                      wonder
                      > >> what
                      > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                      think
                      > >> she
                      > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                      > > price.
                      > >> But
                      > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                      ours.
                      > >> >
                      > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > > re-appearance
                      > >> of
                      > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                      > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > > arguments."
                      > >> >
                      > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                      > >> we? Or
                      > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                      absurd
                      > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                      which
                      > >> she has
                      > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                      > > which
                      > >> you
                      > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                      she
                      > >> can
                      > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                      into
                      > >> an
                      > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                      or
                      > >> even
                      > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                      intelligence?
                      > >> It is
                      > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                      willing
                      > >> to pay
                      > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                      too
                      > >> high for
                      > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                      "full
                      > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                      > > own
                      > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                      > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                      and a
                      > >> lie the
                      > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                      > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                      > >> >
                      > >> > Regards,
                      > >> > Regan
                      > >> >
                      > >> >
                      > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                      > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      > >> >
                      > >> >
                      > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                      > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                      a
                      > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                      > > the
                      > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                      that
                      > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                      against
                      > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                      should
                      > > be
                      > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                      > > team
                      > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                      making
                      > >> this
                      > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                      > > clock
                      > >> > 24/7!!
                      > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                      cult!
                      > > She
                      > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      > >> consciousness
                      > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                      > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                      > > rediculed
                      > >> > and sconld.
                      > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      morbid
                      > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                      years
                      > >> or
                      > >> > less!
                      > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > > arguments.
                      > >> >
                      > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                      > >> > >
                      > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                      > >> bitch
                      > >> > at
                      > >> > > times.
                      > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                      > > me.
                      > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                      > > slightest,
                      > >> > the
                      > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                      > >> count.
                      > >> > And by
                      > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      > >> > >
                      > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                      > >> FANNIE
                      > >> > mae,
                      > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                      One
                      > >> > would
                      > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                      > > money
                      > >> > into
                      > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                      > >> idea,
                      > >> > and
                      > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                      damn
                      > >> > things.
                      > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                      Nancy's
                      > >> name
                      > >> > for
                      > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      > >> > friends.
                      > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                      > >> > > Later...
                      > >> > > Ted
                      > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> > > From: masanga@
                      > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > > [11-08-08]
                      > >> > >
                      > >> > >
                      > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      > >> > to get
                      > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      > >> > eventually
                      > >> > > > got
                      > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                      for
                      > > me
                      > >> in
                      > >> > my
                      > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                      > > days
                      > >> > and was
                      > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                      this
                      > >> > forum
                      > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                      > > election
                      > >> > of
                      > >> > > > Barack
                      > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                      of
                      > >> > them. The
                      > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                      tears
                      > > of
                      > >> > joy in
                      > >> > > > the
                      > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                      > > new
                      > >> > age has
                      > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      > >> > > > world-historic
                      > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                      > >> here.
                      > >> > Why
                      > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      > >> > election
                      > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      > >> > politicians
                      > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                      > > view
                      > >> > that
                      > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      > >> > constitutes
                      > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                      in
                      > >> > the
                      > >> > > > whole
                      > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                      Alfred
                      > >> > > > Lambremont
                      > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                      commitment
                      > > to
                      > >> > remove
                      > >> > > > the
                      > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                      > >> anything
                      > >> > > > myself
                      > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                      > > either.
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      > >> > found no
                      > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                      > > myself
                      > >> > from
                      > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      > >> > whenever I
                      > >> > > > am
                      > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                      performed
                      > >> > that
                      > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                      > > don't
                      > >> > want to
                      > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                      > > spectacle
                      > >> > may be.
                      > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                      of
                      > > the
                      > >> > Zeta -
                      > >> > > > on
                      > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                      > > those
                      > >> > among us
                      > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                      to
                      > > it.
                      > >> > So my
                      > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                      > > warning
                      > >> in
                      > >> > > > fact -
                      > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                      > > cult-building
                      > >> > > > activity
                      > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                      dictate
                      > >> their
                      > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                      freedom
                      > > to
                      > >> > do
                      > >> > > > that
                      > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      > >> > natural
                      > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      > >> > now
                      > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > > Warm regards,
                      > >> > > > Regan
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> > > > From: Ted
                      > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > >> [11-08-08]
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                      > >> > > > .
                      > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> > > > From: masanga@
                      > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > >> [11-08-08]
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      > >> > words of
                      > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                      who
                      > > is
                      > >> > > >> reported
                      > >> > > >> to have said:
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      > >> > > >> fantasies
                      > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> Regan
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                      earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                      > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> written
                      > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                      > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                      than
                      > > he
                      > >> > did on
                      > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                      found
                      > > out
                      > >> > in his
                      > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                      the
                      > >> new
                      > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                      shift?
                      > >> The
                      > >> > Zetas
                      > >> > > >> have
                      > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                      another] I
                      > >> > would
                      > >> > > >> like
                      > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                      Planet
                      > > X,
                      > >> > and if
                      > >> > > >> so
                      > >> > > >> was
                      > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                      conference
                      > >> > Friday the
                      > >> > > >> CNN
                      > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      > >> > "pause"
                      > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                      4th
                      > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                      > >> declined
                      > >> > to
                      > >> > > >> comment.
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                      > >> consensus
                      > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                      > > his
                      > >> > heart
                      > >> > > >> and
                      > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                      > >> Obama
                      > >> > looked
                      > >> > > >> older
                      > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                      > > the
                      > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                      > > candidacy.
                      > >> > Yet the
                      > >> > > >> race
                      > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                      > >> causing
                      > >> > him
                      > >> > > >> loss
                      > >> > > >> of
                      > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                      not
                      > >> > already
                      > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                      > > world
                      > >> > and
                      > >> > > >> what
                      > >> > > >> the
                      > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                      > > also
                      > >> > did not
                      > >> > > >> learn
                      > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                      and
                      > >> > company
                      > >> > > >> crimes,
                      > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                      the
                      > >> FBI
                      > >> > and
                      > >> > > >> the
                      > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      > >> > planetary
                      > >> > > >> presence
                      > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                      He
                      > >> had
                      > >> > heard
                      > >> > > >> the
                      > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                      > >> relayed
                      > >> > to
                      > >> > > >> him
                      > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      > >> > confirmation.
                      > >> > > >> Why would
                      > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                      the
                      > > US
                      > >> > > >> boundaries
                      > >> > > >> are
                      > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                      > >> cover-up,
                      > >> > and
                      > >> > > >> how
                      > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                      yet
                      > >> been
                      > >> > > >> decided.
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                      > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                      > > options
                      > >> > in the
                      > >> > > >> future.
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                      > > beliefs?
                      > >> He
                      > >> > is
                      > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                      is
                      > >> > Lincoln
                      > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                      speaking
                      > >> > > >> figuratively?
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                      many,
                      > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      > >> > recognize
                      > >> > > >> early
                      > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                      Obama's
                      > >> case,
                      > >> > he
                      > >> > > >> was
                      > >> > > >> a
                      > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                      > > life
                      > >> > > >> circumstances
                      > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                      > > human
                      > >> > body
                      > >> > > >> and
                      > >> > > >> mind
                      > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      > >> > conclusion
                      > >> > > >> that
                      > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> The
                      > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                      > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> Election
                      > >> > > >> Results
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> As predicted by
                      > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                      result,
                      > >> > state by
                      > >> > > >> state,
                      > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                      McCain
                      > >> > ended up
                      > >> > > >> in
                      > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                      polls,
                      > > to
                      > >> > the
                      > >> > > >> actual
                      > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      > >> > > >>
                      > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                      GOD
                      > > is
                      > >> > Not
                      > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                      > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > >
                      > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ------------------------------------
                      > >
                      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                    • masanga@talktalk.net
                      Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                      Message 10 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                        Dear Nathaniel,

                        Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                        you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                        no harm was done.

                        Be at peace.

                        Regan (masanga)


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: nathaniel x vance
                        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                        Dear Brother masanga,
                        Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                        and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                        you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                        rebellion out in me.
                        Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                        COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                        like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                        higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                        help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                        renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                        higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                        co-existence will be the order of the future!
                        Please pardon me.

                        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Nathaniel,
                        >
                        > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                        >
                        > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                        about
                        > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                        know of
                        > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                        > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                        > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                        universe, I
                        > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                        have
                        > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                        >
                        > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                        divine
                        > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                        > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                        in my
                        > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                        that he
                        > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                        >
                        > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                        presume to
                        > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                        date
                        > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                        mystery to
                        > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                        > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                        divine
                        > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                        >
                        > Regan (masanga)
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > masanga,
                        > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                        > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                        > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                        > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                        > At any rate, I wish you well.
                        >
                        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Nathaniel,
                        > >
                        > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                        > that my
                        > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                        > great
                        > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                        > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                        > knowledge,
                        > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                        > desires,
                        > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                        things
                        > as
                        > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                        will
                        > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                        > said
                        > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                        > And
                        > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                        > children to
                        > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                        you
                        > for
                        > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                        worked
                        > long
                        > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                        both
                        > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                        > encouragement
                        > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                        > mental age
                        > > down to absolute zero in time.
                        > >
                        > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                        > break
                        > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                        > don't
                        > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                        me
                        > in the
                        > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                        > suggest
                        > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                        up.
                        > >
                        > > Sincerely,
                        > > Regan (masanga)
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                        > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Dear masanga,
                        > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                        answer
                        > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                        > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                        our
                        > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                        > would
                        > > your answer be?
                        > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                        before
                        > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                        > Can
                        > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                        see
                        > a
                        > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                        details
                        > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                        > Obama,
                        > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                        > earth
                        > > would qualify.
                        > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                        > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                        > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                        > >
                        > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                        > > >
                        > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                        a
                        > > certain
                        > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                        greedy
                        > > > wicked...."
                        > > >
                        > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                        > > of our
                        > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                        > anyone
                        > > else
                        > > > in this respect.
                        > > >
                        > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                        > would
                        > > win
                        > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                        > > >
                        > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                        > > needing any
                        > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                        > > "seemingly
                        > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                        > > seemed to
                        > > > have a clear run to me.
                        > > >
                        > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                        > > >
                        > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                        > > about
                        > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                        > > >
                        > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                        > > praises
                        > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                        > > asssisted
                        > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                        > > protected
                        > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                        > > >
                        > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                        > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                        really
                        > > in
                        > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                        dominance?
                        > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                        > up
                        > > to
                        > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                        > is
                        > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                        a
                        > > system
                        > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                        > where
                        > > the
                        > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                        become
                        > > the
                        > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                        > "Emperor").
                        > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                        > > office
                        > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                        credit
                        > > for
                        > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                        me.
                        > > >
                        > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                        cult!
                        > > She is
                        > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        consciousness
                        > > for the
                        > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                        > > >
                        > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                        > > I see
                        > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                        be
                        > > as you
                        > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                        for
                        > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                        > > think she
                        > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                        > > independent
                        > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                        asserting
                        > > the
                        > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                        > > anonymous
                        > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                        on
                        > > sheer
                        > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                        of
                        > > the
                        > > > terms.
                        > > >
                        > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                        rediculed
                        > > and
                        > > > sconld...."
                        > > >
                        > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                        > > scold
                        > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                        impartially
                        > > and
                        > > > objectively.
                        > > >
                        > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        > > morbid
                        > > > intransigence...."
                        > > >
                        > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                        > > compromise" and
                        > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                        > us
                        > > to
                        > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                        wonder
                        > > what
                        > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                        > > she
                        > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                        > price.
                        > > But
                        > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                        ours.
                        > > >
                        > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        > re-appearance
                        > > of
                        > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                        > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        > arguments."
                        > > >
                        > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                        > > we? Or
                        > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                        absurd
                        > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                        which
                        > > she has
                        > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                        > which
                        > > you
                        > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                        she
                        > > can
                        > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                        into
                        > > an
                        > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                        > > even
                        > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                        intelligence?
                        > > It is
                        > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                        willing
                        > > to pay
                        > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                        > > high for
                        > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                        "full
                        > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                        > own
                        > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                        > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                        a
                        > > lie the
                        > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                        > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                        > > >
                        > > > Regards,
                        > > > Regan
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                        > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                        > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                        > the
                        > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                        that
                        > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                        against
                        > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                        should
                        > be
                        > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                        > team
                        > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                        > > this
                        > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                        > clock
                        > > > 24/7!!
                        > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        > She
                        > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        > > consciousness
                        > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                        > rediculed
                        > > > and sconld.
                        > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        morbid
                        > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                        years
                        > > or
                        > > > less!
                        > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        > arguments.
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                        > > bitch
                        > > > at
                        > > > > times.
                        > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                        > me.
                        > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                        > slightest,
                        > > > the
                        > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                        > > count.
                        > > > And by
                        > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                        > > FANNIE
                        > > > mae,
                        > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                        One
                        > > > would
                        > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                        > money
                        > > > into
                        > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                        > > idea,
                        > > > and
                        > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                        damn
                        > > > things.
                        > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                        > > name
                        > > > for
                        > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        > > > friends.
                        > > > > Good to see you're back.
                        > > > > Later...
                        > > > > Ted
                        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > From: masanga@
                        > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > [11-08-08]
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > > Hi Ted,
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        > > > to get
                        > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        > > > eventually
                        > > > > > got
                        > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                        > me
                        > > in
                        > > > my
                        > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                        > days
                        > > > and was
                        > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                        this
                        > > > forum
                        > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                        > election
                        > > > of
                        > > > > > Barack
                        > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                        of
                        > > > them. The
                        > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                        > of
                        > > > joy in
                        > > > > > the
                        > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                        > new
                        > > > age has
                        > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        > > > > > world-historic
                        > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                        > > here.
                        > > > Why
                        > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        > > > election
                        > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        > > > politicians
                        > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                        > view
                        > > > that
                        > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        > > > constitutes
                        > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                        in
                        > > > the
                        > > > > > whole
                        > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                        Alfred
                        > > > > > Lambremont
                        > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                        > to
                        > > > remove
                        > > > > > the
                        > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                        > > anything
                        > > > > > myself
                        > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                        > either.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        > > > found no
                        > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                        > myself
                        > > > from
                        > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        > > > whenever I
                        > > > > > am
                        > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                        performed
                        > > > that
                        > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                        > don't
                        > > > want to
                        > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                        > spectacle
                        > > > may be.
                        > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                        > the
                        > > > Zeta -
                        > > > > > on
                        > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                        > those
                        > > > among us
                        > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                        > it.
                        > > > So my
                        > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                        > warning
                        > > in
                        > > > > > fact -
                        > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                        > cult-building
                        > > > > > activity
                        > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                        > > their
                        > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                        freedom
                        > to
                        > > > do
                        > > > > > that
                        > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        > > > natural
                        > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        > > > now
                        > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Warm regards,
                        > > > > > Regan
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > From: Ted
                        > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > > [11-08-08]
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                        > > > > > .
                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > > From: masanga@
                        > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > > [11-08-08]
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        > > > words of
                        > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                        who
                        > is
                        > > > > >> reported
                        > > > > >> to have said:
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        > > > > >> fantasies
                        > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> Regan
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                        ;
                        > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                        ;
                        > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                        ;
                        > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                        > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> written
                        > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                        > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                        > he
                        > > > did on
                        > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                        > out
                        > > > in his
                        > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                        the
                        > > new
                        > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                        shift?
                        > > The
                        > > > Zetas
                        > > > > >> have
                        > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                        I
                        > > > would
                        > > > > >> like
                        > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                        > X,
                        > > > and if
                        > > > > >> so
                        > > > > >> was
                        > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                        > > > Friday the
                        > > > > >> CNN
                        > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        > > > "pause"
                        > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                        4th
                        > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                        > > declined
                        > > > to
                        > > > > >> comment.
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                        > > consensus
                        > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                        > his
                        > > > heart
                        > > > > >> and
                        > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                        > > Obama
                        > > > looked
                        > > > > >> older
                        > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                        > the
                        > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                        > candidacy.
                        > > > Yet the
                        > > > > >> race
                        > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                        > > causing
                        > > > him
                        > > > > >> loss
                        > > > > >> of
                        > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                        not
                        > > > already
                        > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                        > world
                        > > > and
                        > > > > >> what
                        > > > > >> the
                        > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                        > also
                        > > > did not
                        > > > > >> learn
                        > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                        > > > company
                        > > > > >> crimes,
                        > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                        the
                        > > FBI
                        > > > and
                        > > > > >> the
                        > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        > > > planetary
                        > > > > >> presence
                        > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                        He
                        > > had
                        > > > heard
                        > > > > >> the
                        > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                        > > relayed
                        > > > to
                        > > > > >> him
                        > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        > > > confirmation.
                        > > > > >> Why would
                        > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                        > US
                        > > > > >> boundaries
                        > > > > >> are
                        > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                        > > cover-up,
                        > > > and
                        > > > > >> how
                        > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                        > > been
                        > > > > >> decided.
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                        > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                        > options
                        > > > in the
                        > > > > >> future.
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                        > beliefs?
                        > > He
                        > > > is
                        > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                        is
                        > > > Lincoln
                        > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                        > > > > >> figuratively?
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                        > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        > > > recognize
                        > > > > >> early
                        > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                        > > case,
                        > > > he
                        > > > > >> was
                        > > > > >> a
                        > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                        > life
                        > > > > >> circumstances
                        > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                        > human
                        > > > body
                        > > > > >> and
                        > > > > >> mind
                        > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        > > > conclusion
                        > > > > >> that
                        > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> The
                        > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> Issue 104,
                        > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> Election
                        > > > > >> Results
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> As predicted by
                        > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                        result,
                        > > > state by
                        > > > > >> state,
                        > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                        McCain
                        > > > ended up
                        > > > > >> in
                        > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                        > to
                        > > > the
                        > > > > >> actual
                        > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        > > > > >>
                        > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                        GOD
                        > is
                        > > > Not
                        > > > > >> MOCKED!
                        > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > ------------------------------------
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