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Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]

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  • nathaniel x vance
    Dear masanga, I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of seven.
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
      Dear masanga,
      I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
      your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
      seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
      crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
      your answer be?
      Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
      someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
      you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
      UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
      to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
      his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
      would qualify.
      As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
      level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
      Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
      >
      > Dear Nathaniel,
      >
      > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
      certain
      > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
      > wicked...."
      >
      > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
      of our
      > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
      else
      > in this respect.
      >
      > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
      win
      > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
      >
      > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
      needing any
      > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
      "seemingly
      > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
      seemed to
      > have a clear run to me.
      >
      > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
      >
      > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
      about
      > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
      >
      > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
      praises
      > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
      asssisted
      > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
      protected
      > around the clock 24/7!!"
      >
      > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
      > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
      in
      > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
      > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
      to
      > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
      > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
      system
      > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
      the
      > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
      the
      > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
      > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
      office
      > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
      for
      > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
      >
      > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
      She is
      > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
      for the
      > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
      >
      > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
      I see
      > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
      as you
      > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
      > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
      think she
      > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
      independent
      > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
      the
      > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
      anonymous
      > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
      sheer
      > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
      the
      > terms.
      >
      > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
      and
      > sconld...."
      >
      > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
      scold
      > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
      and
      > objectively.
      >
      > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
      morbid
      > intransigence...."
      >
      > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
      compromise" and
      > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
      to
      > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
      what
      > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
      she
      > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
      But
      > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
      >
      > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
      of
      > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
      > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
      >
      > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
      we? Or
      > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
      > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
      she has
      > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
      you
      > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
      can
      > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
      an
      > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
      even
      > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
      It is
      > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
      to pay
      > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
      high for
      > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
      > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
      > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
      > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
      lie the
      > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
      > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
      >
      > Regards,
      > Regan
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: nathaniel x vance
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > Dear Regan, Ted,
      > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
      > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
      > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
      > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
      > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
      > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
      > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
      this
      > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
      > 24/7!!
      > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
      > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
      consciousness
      > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
      > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
      > and sconld.
      > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
      > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
      > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
      or
      > less!
      > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
      >
      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
      > >
      > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
      > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
      bitch
      > at
      > > times.
      > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
      > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
      > the
      > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
      count.
      > And by
      > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
      > >
      > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
      FANNIE
      > mae,
      > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
      > would
      > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
      > into
      > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
      idea,
      > and
      > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
      > things.
      > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
      name
      > for
      > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
      > friends.
      > > Good to see you're back.
      > > Later...
      > > Ted
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: masanga@
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >
      > >
      > > > Hi Ted,
      > > >
      > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
      > to get
      > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
      > eventually
      > > > got
      > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
      in
      > my
      > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
      > and was
      > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
      > forum
      > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
      > of
      > > > Barack
      > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
      > them. The
      > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
      > joy in
      > > > the
      > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
      > age has
      > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
      > > > world-historic
      > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
      here.
      > Why
      > > > not? I found this puzzling.
      > > >
      > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
      > election
      > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
      > politicians
      > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
      > that
      > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
      > constitutes
      > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
      > the
      > > > whole
      > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
      > > > Lambremont
      > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
      > remove
      > > > the
      > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
      anything
      > > > myself
      > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
      > > >
      > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
      > found no
      > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
      > from
      > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
      > whenever I
      > > > am
      > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
      > that
      > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
      > want to
      > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
      > may be.
      > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
      > Zeta -
      > > > on
      > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
      > among us
      > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
      > So my
      > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
      in
      > > > fact -
      > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
      > > > activity
      > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
      their
      > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
      > do
      > > > that
      > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
      > natural
      > > > consequences of doing it.
      > > >
      > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
      > now
      > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
      > > >
      > > > Warm regards,
      > > > Regan
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: Ted
      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
      > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
      [11-08-08]
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > So you're back with a vengeance
      > > > Well I meant a quote.
      > > > .
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: masanga@
      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
      [11-08-08]
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
      > words of
      > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
      > > >> reported
      > > >> to have said:
      > > >>
      > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
      > > >> fantasies
      > > >> into the pit of destruction."
      > > >>
      > > >> Regan
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
      > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
      > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
      > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
      > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
      > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >>
      > > >> ZetaTalk:
      > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
      > > >>
      > > >> written
      > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      > > >>
      > > >> Questioner: Obama
      > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
      > did on
      > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
      > in his
      > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
      new
      > > >> president, what does it mean for the
      > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
      The
      > Zetas
      > > >> have
      > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
      > would
      > > >> like
      > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
      > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
      > and if
      > > >> so
      > > >> was
      > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
      > Friday the
      > > >> CNN
      > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
      > "pause"
      > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
      declined
      > to
      > > >> comment.
      > > >>
      > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
      consensus
      > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
      > heart
      > > >> and
      > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
      Obama
      > looked
      > > >> older
      > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
      > Yet the
      > > >> race
      > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
      causing
      > him
      > > >> loss
      > > >> of
      > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
      > already
      > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
      > and
      > > >> what
      > > >> the
      > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
      > did not
      > > >> learn
      > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
      > company
      > > >> crimes,
      > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
      FBI
      > and
      > > >> the
      > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
      > planetary
      > > >> presence
      > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
      had
      > heard
      > > >> the
      > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
      relayed
      > to
      > > >> him
      > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
      > confirmation.
      > > >> Why would
      > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
      > > >> boundaries
      > > >> are
      > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
      cover-up,
      > and
      > > >> how
      > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
      been
      > > >> decided.
      > > >>
      > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      > > >>
      > > >> Zeta response: This
      > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
      > in the
      > > >> future.
      > > >>
      > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
      He
      > is
      > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
      > Lincoln
      > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      > > >> figuratively?
      > > >>
      > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
      > recognize
      > > >> early
      > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
      case,
      > he
      > > >> was
      > > >> a
      > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      > > >> circumstances
      > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
      > body
      > > >> and
      > > >> mind
      > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
      > conclusion
      > > >> that
      > > >> they have a new soul within.
      > > >>
      > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      > > >>
      > > >> The
      > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
      > > >>
      > > >> Issue 104,
      > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
      > > >>
      > > >> Election
      > > >> Results
      > > >>
      > > >> As predicted by
      > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
      > state by
      > > >> state,
      > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
      > ended up
      > > >> in
      > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
      > the
      > > >> actual
      > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      > > >>
      > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      > > >>
      > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
      > Not
      > > >> MOCKED!
      > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > ------------------------------------
      >



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    • masanga@talktalk.net
      Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
        Nathaniel,

        The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
        situation. You are evading the issue.

        Regan


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: nathaniel x vance
        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


        Dear masanga,
        Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
        must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
        rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
        of some kind of powerful medication?
        I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
        not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
        on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
        shouldn't be floating around up in there.
        My sympathy.

        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
        >
        > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
        Like
        > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
        especially
        > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
        not
        > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
        he
        > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
        as the
        > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
        > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
        powerful
        > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
        able to
        > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
        perceives
        > them to be.
        >
        > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
        probably
        > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
        his
        > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
        man, I
        > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
        in
        > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
        > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
        of
        > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
        > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
        > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
        that
        > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
        > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
        saviour
        > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
        can
        > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
        >
        > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
        of the
        > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
        problem
        > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
        that is
        > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
        > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
        free-market
        > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
        intelligent
        > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
        collective
        > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
        >
        > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
        worshipping
        > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
        in
        > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
        > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
        > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
        underlie
        > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
        torture, for
        > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
        humanity
        > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
        Obama and
        > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
        identified
        > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
        >
        > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
        pole
        > shift too.
        >
        > Cheers Ted,
        > Regan
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Ted
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
        > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
        at
        > times.
        > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
        > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
        the
        > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
        And by
        > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
        >
        > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
        mae,
        > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
        would
        > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
        into
        > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
        and
        > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
        things.
        > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
        for
        > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
        friends.
        > Good to see you're back.
        > Later...
        > Ted
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: masanga@...
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > > Hi Ted,
        > >
        > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
        to get
        > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
        eventually
        > > got
        > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
        my
        > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
        and was
        > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
        forum
        > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
        of
        > > Barack
        > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
        them. The
        > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
        joy in
        > > the
        > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
        age has
        > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
        > > world-historic
        > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
        Why
        > > not? I found this puzzling.
        > >
        > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
        election
        > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
        politicians
        > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
        that
        > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
        constitutes
        > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
        the
        > > whole
        > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
        > > Lambremont
        > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
        remove
        > > the
        > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
        > > myself
        > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
        > >
        > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
        found no
        > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
        from
        > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
        whenever I
        > > am
        > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
        that
        > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
        want to
        > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
        may be.
        > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
        Zeta -
        > > on
        > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
        among us
        > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
        So my
        > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
        > > fact -
        > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
        > > activity
        > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
        > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
        do
        > > that
        > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
        natural
        > > consequences of doing it.
        > >
        > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
        now
        > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
        > >
        > > Warm regards,
        > > Regan
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: Ted
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > > So you're back with a vengeance
        > > Well I meant a quote.
        > > .
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: masanga@...
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
        words of
        > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
        > >> reported
        > >> to have said:
        > >>
        > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
        > >> fantasies
        > >> into the pit of destruction."
        > >>
        > >> Regan
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ----- Original Message -----
        > >> From: nathaniel x vance
        > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
        TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
        ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
        earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ZetaTalk:
        > >> GodlikeProduction Live
        > >>
        > >> written
        > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Obama
        > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
        did on
        > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
        in his
        > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
        > >> president, what does it mean for the
        > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
        Zetas
        > >> have
        > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
        would
        > >> like
        > >> to ask the Zetas if on
        > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
        and if
        > >> so
        > >> was
        > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
        Friday the
        > >> CNN
        > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
        "pause"
        > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
        to
        > >> comment.
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
        > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
        heart
        > >> and
        > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
        looked
        > >> older
        > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
        Yet the
        > >> race
        > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
        him
        > >> loss
        > >> of
        > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
        already
        > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
        and
        > >> what
        > >> the
        > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
        did not
        > >> learn
        > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
        company
        > >> crimes,
        > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
        and
        > >> the
        > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
        planetary
        > >> presence
        > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
        heard
        > >> the
        > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
        to
        > >> him
        > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
        confirmation.
        > >> Why would
        > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
        > >> boundaries
        > >> are
        > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
        and
        > >> how
        > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
        > >> decided.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: This
        > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
        in the
        > >> future.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
        is
        > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
        Lincoln
        > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > >> figuratively?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
        recognize
        > >> early
        > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
        he
        > >> was
        > >> a
        > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        > >> circumstances
        > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
        body
        > >> and
        > >> mind
        > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
        conclusion
        > >> that
        > >> they have a new soul within.
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        > >>
        > >> The
        > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
        > >>
        > >> Issue 104,
        > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
        > >>
        > >> Election
        > >> Results
        > >>
        > >> As predicted by
        > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
        state by
        > >> state,
        > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
        ended up
        > >> in
        > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
        the
        > >> actual
        > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        > >>
        > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
        Not
        > >> MOCKED!
        > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > >> http://zetaheaven.org
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
      • masanga@talktalk.net
        Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
          Nathaniel,

          I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
          mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
          compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
          extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
          unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
          and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
          they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
          automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
          that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
          Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
          come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
          this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
          and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
          confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
          to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
          down to absolute zero in time.

          I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
          from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
          want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
          first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
          that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

          Sincerely,
          Regan (masanga)


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: nathaniel x vance
          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
          Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          Dear masanga,
          I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
          your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
          seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
          crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
          your answer be?
          Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
          someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
          you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
          UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
          to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
          his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
          would qualify.
          As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
          level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
          Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
          >
          > Dear Nathaniel,
          >
          > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          certain
          > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
          > wicked...."
          >
          > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
          of our
          > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
          else
          > in this respect.
          >
          > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
          win
          > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
          >
          > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
          needing any
          > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
          "seemingly
          > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
          seemed to
          > have a clear run to me.
          >
          > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
          >
          > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
          about
          > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
          >
          > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
          praises
          > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
          asssisted
          > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
          protected
          > around the clock 24/7!!"
          >
          > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
          > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
          in
          > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
          > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
          to
          > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
          > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
          system
          > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
          the
          > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
          the
          > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
          > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
          office
          > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
          for
          > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
          >
          > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
          She is
          > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
          for the
          > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
          >
          > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
          I see
          > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
          as you
          > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
          > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
          think she
          > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
          independent
          > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
          the
          > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
          anonymous
          > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
          sheer
          > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
          the
          > terms.
          >
          > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
          and
          > sconld...."
          >
          > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
          scold
          > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
          and
          > objectively.
          >
          > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
          morbid
          > intransigence...."
          >
          > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
          compromise" and
          > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
          to
          > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
          what
          > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
          she
          > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
          But
          > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
          >
          > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
          of
          > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
          > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
          >
          > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
          we? Or
          > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
          > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
          she has
          > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
          you
          > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
          can
          > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
          an
          > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
          even
          > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
          It is
          > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
          to pay
          > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
          high for
          > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
          > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
          > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
          > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
          lie the
          > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
          > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
          >
          > Regards,
          > Regan
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: nathaniel x vance
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > Dear Regan, Ted,
          > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
          > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
          > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
          > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
          > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
          > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
          this
          > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
          > 24/7!!
          > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
          > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
          consciousness
          > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
          > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
          > and sconld.
          > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
          > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
          or
          > less!
          > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
          >
          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
          > >
          > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
          bitch
          > at
          > > times.
          > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
          > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
          > the
          > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
          count.
          > And by
          > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
          > >
          > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
          FANNIE
          > mae,
          > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
          > would
          > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
          > into
          > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
          idea,
          > and
          > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
          > things.
          > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
          name
          > for
          > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
          > friends.
          > > Good to see you're back.
          > > Later...
          > > Ted
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: masanga@
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > > > Hi Ted,
          > > >
          > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
          > to get
          > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
          > eventually
          > > > got
          > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
          in
          > my
          > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
          > and was
          > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
          > forum
          > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
          > of
          > > > Barack
          > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
          > them. The
          > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
          > joy in
          > > > the
          > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
          > age has
          > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          > > > world-historic
          > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
          here.
          > Why
          > > > not? I found this puzzling.
          > > >
          > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
          > election
          > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
          > politicians
          > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
          > that
          > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
          > constitutes
          > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
          > the
          > > > whole
          > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          > > > Lambremont
          > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
          > remove
          > > > the
          > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
          anything
          > > > myself
          > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
          > > >
          > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
          > found no
          > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
          > from
          > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
          > whenever I
          > > > am
          > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
          > that
          > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
          > want to
          > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
          > may be.
          > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
          > Zeta -
          > > > on
          > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
          > among us
          > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
          > So my
          > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
          in
          > > > fact -
          > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
          > > > activity
          > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
          their
          > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
          > do
          > > > that
          > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
          > natural
          > > > consequences of doing it.
          > > >
          > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
          > now
          > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          > > >
          > > > Warm regards,
          > > > Regan
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: Ted
          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          [11-08-08]
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > So you're back with a vengeance
          > > > Well I meant a quote.
          > > > .
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: masanga@
          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          [11-08-08]
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
          > words of
          > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
          > > >> reported
          > > >> to have said:
          > > >>
          > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          > > >> fantasies
          > > >> into the pit of destruction."
          > > >>
          > > >> Regan
          > > >>
          > > >>
          > > >> ----- Original Message -----
          > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
          > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
          > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
          > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
          > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > > >>
          > > >>
          > > >>
          > > >>
          > > >> ZetaTalk:
          > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
          > > >>
          > > >> written
          > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          > > >>
          > > >> Questioner: Obama
          > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
          > did on
          > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
          > in his
          > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
          new
          > > >> president, what does it mean for the
          > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
          The
          > Zetas
          > > >> have
          > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
          > would
          > > >> like
          > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
          > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
          > and if
          > > >> so
          > > >> was
          > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
          > Friday the
          > > >> CNN
          > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
          > "pause"
          > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
          declined
          > to
          > > >> comment.
          > > >>
          > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
          consensus
          > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
          > heart
          > > >> and
          > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
          Obama
          > looked
          > > >> older
          > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
          > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
          > Yet the
          > > >> race
          > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
          causing
          > him
          > > >> loss
          > > >> of
          > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
          > already
          > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
          > and
          > > >> what
          > > >> the
          > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
          > did not
          > > >> learn
          > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
          > company
          > > >> crimes,
          > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
          FBI
          > and
          > > >> the
          > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
          > planetary
          > > >> presence
          > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
          had
          > heard
          > > >> the
          > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
          relayed
          > to
          > > >> him
          > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
          > confirmation.
          > > >> Why would
          > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
          > > >> boundaries
          > > >> are
          > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
          cover-up,
          > and
          > > >> how
          > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
          been
          > > >> decided.
          > > >>
          > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          > > >>
          > > >> Zeta response: This
          > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
          > in the
          > > >> future.
          > > >>
          > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
          He
          > is
          > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
          > Lincoln
          > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          > > >> figuratively?
          > > >>
          > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
          > recognize
          > > >> early
          > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
          case,
          > he
          > > >> was
          > > >> a
          > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
          > > >> circumstances
          > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
          > body
          > > >> and
          > > >> mind
          > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
          > conclusion
          > > >> that
          > > >> they have a new soul within.
          > > >>
          > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          > > >>
          > > >> The
          > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          > > >>
          > > >> Issue 104,
          > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          > > >>
          > > >> Election
          > > >> Results
          > > >>
          > > >> As predicted by
          > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
          > state by
          > > >> state,
          > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
          > ended up
          > > >> in
          > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
          > the
          > > >> actual
          > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          > > >>
          > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          > > >>
          > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
          > Not
          > > >> MOCKED!
          > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ------------------------------------
        • nathaniel x vance
          masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
            masanga,
            Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
            what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
            masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
            you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
            At any rate, I wish you well.

            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
            >
            > Nathaniel,
            >
            > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
            that my
            > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
            great
            > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
            > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
            knowledge,
            > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
            desires,
            > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
            as
            > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
            > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
            said
            > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
            And
            > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
            children to
            > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
            for
            > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
            long
            > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
            > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
            encouragement
            > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
            mental age
            > down to absolute zero in time.
            >
            > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
            break
            > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
            don't
            > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
            in the
            > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
            suggest
            > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
            >
            > Sincerely,
            > Regan (masanga)
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: nathaniel x vance
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > Dear masanga,
            > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
            > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
            > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
            > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
            would
            > your answer be?
            > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
            > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
            Can
            > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
            a
            > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
            > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
            Obama,
            > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
            earth
            > would qualify.
            > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
            > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
            > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
            >
            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
            > >
            > > Dear Nathaniel,
            > >
            > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            > certain
            > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
            > > wicked...."
            > >
            > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
            > of our
            > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
            anyone
            > else
            > > in this respect.
            > >
            > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
            would
            > win
            > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
            > >
            > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
            > needing any
            > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
            > "seemingly
            > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
            > seemed to
            > > have a clear run to me.
            > >
            > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
            > >
            > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
            > about
            > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
            > >
            > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
            > praises
            > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
            > asssisted
            > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
            > protected
            > > around the clock 24/7!!"
            > >
            > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
            > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
            > in
            > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
            > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
            up
            > to
            > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
            is
            > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
            > system
            > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
            where
            > the
            > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
            > the
            > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
            "Emperor").
            > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
            > office
            > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
            > for
            > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
            > >
            > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
            > She is
            > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
            > for the
            > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
            > >
            > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
            > I see
            > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
            > as you
            > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
            > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
            > think she
            > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
            > independent
            > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
            > the
            > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
            > anonymous
            > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
            > sheer
            > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
            > the
            > > terms.
            > >
            > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
            > and
            > > sconld...."
            > >
            > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
            > scold
            > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
            > and
            > > objectively.
            > >
            > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
            > morbid
            > > intransigence...."
            > >
            > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
            > compromise" and
            > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
            us
            > to
            > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
            > what
            > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
            > she
            > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
            price.
            > But
            > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
            > >
            > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            re-appearance
            > of
            > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
            > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
            arguments."
            > >
            > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
            > we? Or
            > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
            > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
            > she has
            > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
            which
            > you
            > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
            > can
            > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
            > an
            > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
            > even
            > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
            > It is
            > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
            > to pay
            > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
            > high for
            > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
            > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
            own
            > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
            > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
            > lie the
            > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
            > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
            > >
            > > Regards,
            > > Regan
            > >
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: nathaniel x vance
            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
            > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >
            > >
            > > Dear Regan, Ted,
            > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
            the
            > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
            > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
            > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
            be
            > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
            team
            > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
            > this
            > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
            clock
            > > 24/7!!
            > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
            She
            > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
            > consciousness
            > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
            > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
            rediculed
            > > and sconld.
            > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
            > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
            > or
            > > less!
            > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
            arguments.
            > >
            > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
            > > >
            > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
            > bitch
            > > at
            > > > times.
            > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
            me.
            > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
            slightest,
            > > the
            > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
            > count.
            > > And by
            > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
            > > >
            > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
            > FANNIE
            > > mae,
            > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
            > > would
            > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
            money
            > > into
            > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
            > idea,
            > > and
            > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
            > > things.
            > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
            > name
            > > for
            > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
            > > friends.
            > > > Good to see you're back.
            > > > Later...
            > > > Ted
            > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > From: masanga@
            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            [11-08-08]
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > > Hi Ted,
            > > > >
            > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
            > > to get
            > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
            > > eventually
            > > > > got
            > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
            me
            > in
            > > my
            > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
            days
            > > and was
            > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
            > > forum
            > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
            election
            > > of
            > > > > Barack
            > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
            > > them. The
            > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
            of
            > > joy in
            > > > > the
            > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
            new
            > > age has
            > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            > > > > world-historic
            > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
            > here.
            > > Why
            > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
            > > > >
            > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
            > > election
            > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
            > > politicians
            > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
            view
            > > that
            > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
            > > constitutes
            > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
            > > the
            > > > > whole
            > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            > > > > Lambremont
            > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
            to
            > > remove
            > > > > the
            > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
            > anything
            > > > > myself
            > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
            either.
            > > > >
            > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
            > > found no
            > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
            myself
            > > from
            > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
            > > whenever I
            > > > > am
            > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
            > > that
            > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
            don't
            > > want to
            > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
            spectacle
            > > may be.
            > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
            the
            > > Zeta -
            > > > > on
            > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
            those
            > > among us
            > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
            it.
            > > So my
            > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
            warning
            > in
            > > > > fact -
            > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
            cult-building
            > > > > activity
            > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
            > their
            > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
            to
            > > do
            > > > > that
            > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
            > > natural
            > > > > consequences of doing it.
            > > > >
            > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
            > > now
            > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            > > > >
            > > > > Warm regards,
            > > > > Regan
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > From: Ted
            > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            > [11-08-08]
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
            > > > > Well I meant a quote.
            > > > > .
            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > > From: masanga@
            > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            > [11-08-08]
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
            > > words of
            > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
            is
            > > > >> reported
            > > > >> to have said:
            > > > >>
            > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            > > > >> fantasies
            > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Regan
            > > > >>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
            > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
            > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > > > >>
            > > > >>
            > > > >>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> ZetaTalk:
            > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
            > > > >>
            > > > >> written
            > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Questioner: Obama
            > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
            he
            > > did on
            > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
            out
            > > in his
            > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
            > new
            > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
            > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
            > The
            > > Zetas
            > > > >> have
            > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
            > > would
            > > > >> like
            > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
            > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
            X,
            > > and if
            > > > >> so
            > > > >> was
            > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
            > > Friday the
            > > > >> CNN
            > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
            > > "pause"
            > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
            > declined
            > > to
            > > > >> comment.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
            > consensus
            > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
            his
            > > heart
            > > > >> and
            > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
            > Obama
            > > looked
            > > > >> older
            > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
            the
            > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
            candidacy.
            > > Yet the
            > > > >> race
            > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
            > causing
            > > him
            > > > >> loss
            > > > >> of
            > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
            > > already
            > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
            world
            > > and
            > > > >> what
            > > > >> the
            > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
            also
            > > did not
            > > > >> learn
            > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
            > > company
            > > > >> crimes,
            > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
            > FBI
            > > and
            > > > >> the
            > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
            > > planetary
            > > > >> presence
            > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
            > had
            > > heard
            > > > >> the
            > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
            > relayed
            > > to
            > > > >> him
            > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
            > > confirmation.
            > > > >> Why would
            > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
            US
            > > > >> boundaries
            > > > >> are
            > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
            > cover-up,
            > > and
            > > > >> how
            > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
            > been
            > > > >> decided.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Zeta response: This
            > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
            options
            > > in the
            > > > >> future.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
            beliefs?
            > He
            > > is
            > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
            > > Lincoln
            > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            > > > >> figuratively?
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
            > > recognize
            > > > >> early
            > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
            > case,
            > > he
            > > > >> was
            > > > >> a
            > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
            life
            > > > >> circumstances
            > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
            human
            > > body
            > > > >> and
            > > > >> mind
            > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
            > > conclusion
            > > > >> that
            > > > >> they have a new soul within.
            > > > >>
            > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> The
            > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Issue 104,
            > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            > > > >>
            > > > >> Election
            > > > >> Results
            > > > >>
            > > > >> As predicted by
            > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
            > > state by
            > > > >> state,
            > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
            > > ended up
            > > > >> in
            > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
            to
            > > the
            > > > >> actual
            > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            > > > >>
            > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
            is
            > > Not
            > > > >> MOCKED!
            > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > ------------------------------------
            >
          • masanga@talktalk.net
            Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
              Nathaniel,

              Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

              You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
              Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
              me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
              whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
              multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
              must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
              only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

              Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
              commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
              acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
              view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
              can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

              But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
              know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
              it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
              me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
              business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
              commission without concerning myself with his too.

              Regan (masanga)


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: nathaniel x vance
              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              masanga,
              Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
              what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
              masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
              you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
              At any rate, I wish you well.

              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
              >
              > Nathaniel,
              >
              > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
              that my
              > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
              great
              > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
              > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
              knowledge,
              > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
              desires,
              > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
              as
              > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
              > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
              said
              > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
              And
              > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
              children to
              > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
              for
              > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
              long
              > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
              > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
              encouragement
              > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
              mental age
              > down to absolute zero in time.
              >
              > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
              break
              > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
              don't
              > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
              in the
              > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
              suggest
              > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
              >
              > Sincerely,
              > Regan (masanga)
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: nathaniel x vance
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > Dear masanga,
              > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
              > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
              > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
              > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
              would
              > your answer be?
              > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
              > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
              Can
              > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
              a
              > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
              > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
              Obama,
              > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
              earth
              > would qualify.
              > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
              > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
              > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
              >
              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
              > >
              > > Dear Nathaniel,
              > >
              > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              > certain
              > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
              > > wicked...."
              > >
              > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
              > of our
              > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
              anyone
              > else
              > > in this respect.
              > >
              > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
              would
              > win
              > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
              > >
              > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
              > needing any
              > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
              > "seemingly
              > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
              > seemed to
              > > have a clear run to me.
              > >
              > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
              > >
              > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
              > about
              > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
              > >
              > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
              > praises
              > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
              > asssisted
              > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
              > protected
              > > around the clock 24/7!!"
              > >
              > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
              > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
              > in
              > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
              > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
              up
              > to
              > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
              is
              > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
              > system
              > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
              where
              > the
              > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
              > the
              > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
              "Emperor").
              > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
              > office
              > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
              > for
              > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
              > >
              > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              > She is
              > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
              > for the
              > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
              > >
              > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
              > I see
              > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
              > as you
              > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
              > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
              > think she
              > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
              > independent
              > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
              > the
              > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
              > anonymous
              > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
              > sheer
              > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
              > the
              > > terms.
              > >
              > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              > and
              > > sconld...."
              > >
              > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
              > scold
              > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
              > and
              > > objectively.
              > >
              > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
              > morbid
              > > intransigence...."
              > >
              > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
              > compromise" and
              > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
              us
              > to
              > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
              > what
              > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
              > she
              > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
              price.
              > But
              > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
              > >
              > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              re-appearance
              > of
              > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
              > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
              arguments."
              > >
              > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
              > we? Or
              > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
              > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
              > she has
              > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
              which
              > you
              > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
              > can
              > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
              > an
              > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
              > even
              > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
              > It is
              > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
              > to pay
              > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
              > high for
              > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
              > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
              own
              > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
              > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
              > lie the
              > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
              > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
              > >
              > > Regards,
              > > Regan
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: nathaniel x vance
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
              > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > > Dear Regan, Ted,
              > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
              the
              > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
              > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
              > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
              be
              > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
              team
              > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
              > this
              > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
              clock
              > > 24/7!!
              > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              She
              > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
              > consciousness
              > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
              > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
              rediculed
              > > and sconld.
              > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
              > or
              > > less!
              > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
              arguments.
              > >
              > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
              > bitch
              > > at
              > > > times.
              > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
              me.
              > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
              slightest,
              > > the
              > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
              > count.
              > > And by
              > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              > > >
              > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
              > FANNIE
              > > mae,
              > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              > > would
              > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
              money
              > > into
              > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
              > idea,
              > > and
              > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              > > things.
              > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
              > name
              > > for
              > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              > > friends.
              > > > Good to see you're back.
              > > > Later...
              > > > Ted
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: masanga@
              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              [11-08-08]
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > > Hi Ted,
              > > > >
              > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              > > to get
              > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              > > eventually
              > > > > got
              > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
              me
              > in
              > > my
              > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
              days
              > > and was
              > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              > > forum
              > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
              election
              > > of
              > > > > Barack
              > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              > > them. The
              > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
              of
              > > joy in
              > > > > the
              > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
              new
              > > age has
              > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              > > > > world-historic
              > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
              > here.
              > > Why
              > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
              > > > >
              > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              > > election
              > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              > > politicians
              > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
              view
              > > that
              > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              > > constitutes
              > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              > > the
              > > > > whole
              > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              > > > > Lambremont
              > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
              to
              > > remove
              > > > > the
              > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
              > anything
              > > > > myself
              > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
              either.
              > > > >
              > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              > > found no
              > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
              myself
              > > from
              > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              > > whenever I
              > > > > am
              > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              > > that
              > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
              don't
              > > want to
              > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
              spectacle
              > > may be.
              > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
              the
              > > Zeta -
              > > > > on
              > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
              those
              > > among us
              > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
              it.
              > > So my
              > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
              warning
              > in
              > > > > fact -
              > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
              cult-building
              > > > > activity
              > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
              > their
              > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
              to
              > > do
              > > > > that
              > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              > > natural
              > > > > consequences of doing it.
              > > > >
              > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              > > now
              > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              > > > >
              > > > > Warm regards,
              > > > > Regan
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > From: Ted
              > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              > [11-08-08]
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
              > > > > Well I meant a quote.
              > > > > .
              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > > From: masanga@
              > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              > [11-08-08]
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              > > words of
              > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
              is
              > > > >> reported
              > > > >> to have said:
              > > > >>
              > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              > > > >> fantasies
              > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
              > > > >>
              > > > >> Regan
              > > > >>
              > > > >>
              > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
              > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > > > >>
              > > > >>
              > > > >>
              > > > >>
              > > > >> ZetaTalk:
              > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              > > > >>
              > > > >> written
              > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              > > > >>
              > > > >> Questioner: Obama
              > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
              he
              > > did on
              > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
              out
              > > in his
              > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
              > new
              > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
              > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
              > The
              > > Zetas
              > > > >> have
              > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              > > would
              > > > >> like
              > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
              X,
              > > and if
              > > > >> so
              > > > >> was
              > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              > > Friday the
              > > > >> CNN
              > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              > > "pause"
              > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
              > declined
              > > to
              > > > >> comment.
              > > > >>
              > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
              > consensus
              > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
              his
              > > heart
              > > > >> and
              > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
              > Obama
              > > looked
              > > > >> older
              > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
              the
              > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
              candidacy.
              > > Yet the
              > > > >> race
              > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
              > causing
              > > him
              > > > >> loss
              > > > >> of
              > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              > > already
              > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
              world
              > > and
              > > > >> what
              > > > >> the
              > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
              also
              > > did not
              > > > >> learn
              > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              > > company
              > > > >> crimes,
              > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
              > FBI
              > > and
              > > > >> the
              > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              > > planetary
              > > > >> presence
              > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
              > had
              > > heard
              > > > >> the
              > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
              > relayed
              > > to
              > > > >> him
              > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              > > confirmation.
              > > > >> Why would
              > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
              US
              > > > >> boundaries
              > > > >> are
              > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
              > cover-up,
              > > and
              > > > >> how
              > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
              > been
              > > > >> decided.
              > > > >>
              > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              > > > >>
              > > > >> Zeta response: This
              > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
              options
              > > in the
              > > > >> future.
              > > > >>
              > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
              beliefs?
              > He
              > > is
              > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              > > Lincoln
              > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              > > > >> figuratively?
              > > > >>
              > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              > > recognize
              > > > >> early
              > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
              > case,
              > > he
              > > > >> was
              > > > >> a
              > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
              life
              > > > >> circumstances
              > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
              human
              > > body
              > > > >> and
              > > > >> mind
              > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              > > conclusion
              > > > >> that
              > > > >> they have a new soul within.
              > > > >>
              > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              > > > >>
              > > > >> The
              > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              > > > >>
              > > > >> Issue 104,
              > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              > > > >>
              > > > >> Election
              > > > >> Results
              > > > >>
              > > > >> As predicted by
              > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              > > state by
              > > > >> state,
              > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              > > ended up
              > > > >> in
              > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
              to
              > > the
              > > > >> actual
              > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              > > > >>
              > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              > > > >>
              > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
              is
              > > Not
              > > > >> MOCKED!
              > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              > > > >
              > > > >
              > > > > ------------------------------------
            • Ted
              You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his head ... From: To: Sent:
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                head
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: <masanga@...>
                To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                > Nathaniel,
                >
                > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                >
                > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                > of
                > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                >
                > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                > he
                > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                >
                > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                > date
                > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                > to
                > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                >
                > Regan (masanga)
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: nathaniel x vance
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > masanga,
                > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                > At any rate, I wish you well.
                >
                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                >>
                >> Nathaniel,
                >>
                >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                > that my
                >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                > great
                >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                > knowledge,
                >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                > desires,
                >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                > as
                >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                > said
                >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                > And
                >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                > children to
                >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                > for
                >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                > long
                >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                > encouragement
                >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                > mental age
                >> down to absolute zero in time.
                >>
                >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                > break
                >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                > don't
                >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                > in the
                >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                > suggest
                >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                >>
                >> Sincerely,
                >> Regan (masanga)
                >>
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: nathaniel x vance
                >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >>
                >>
                >> Dear masanga,
                >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                > would
                >> your answer be?
                >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                > Can
                >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                > a
                >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                > Obama,
                >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                > earth
                >> would qualify.
                >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                >>
                >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                >> >
                >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                >> >
                >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                >> certain
                >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                >> > wicked...."
                >> >
                >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                >> of our
                >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                > anyone
                >> else
                >> > in this respect.
                >> >
                >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                > would
                >> win
                >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                >> >
                >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                >> needing any
                >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                >> "seemingly
                >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                >> seemed to
                >> > have a clear run to me.
                >> >
                >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                >> >
                >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                >> about
                >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                >> >
                >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                >> praises
                >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                >> asssisted
                >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                >> protected
                >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                >> >
                >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                >> in
                >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                > up
                >> to
                >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                > is
                >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                >> system
                >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                > where
                >> the
                >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                >> the
                >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                > "Emperor").
                >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                >> office
                >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                >> for
                >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                >> >
                >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                >> She is
                >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                >> for the
                >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                >> >
                >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                >> I see
                >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                >> as you
                >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                >> think she
                >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                >> independent
                >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                >> the
                >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                >> anonymous
                >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                >> sheer
                >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                >> the
                >> > terms.
                >> >
                >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                >> and
                >> > sconld...."
                >> >
                >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                >> scold
                >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                >> and
                >> > objectively.
                >> >
                >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                >> morbid
                >> > intransigence...."
                >> >
                >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                >> compromise" and
                >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                > us
                >> to
                >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                >> what
                >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                >> she
                >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                > price.
                >> But
                >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                >> >
                >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                > re-appearance
                >> of
                >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                > arguments."
                >> >
                >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                >> we? Or
                >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                >> she has
                >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                > which
                >> you
                >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                >> can
                >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                >> an
                >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                >> even
                >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                >> It is
                >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                >> to pay
                >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                >> high for
                >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                > own
                >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                >> lie the
                >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                >> >
                >> > Regards,
                >> > Regan
                >> >
                >> >
                >> > ----- Original Message -----
                >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >> >
                >> >
                >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                > the
                >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                > be
                >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                > team
                >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                >> this
                >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                > clock
                >> > 24/7!!
                >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                > She
                >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                >> consciousness
                >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                > rediculed
                >> > and sconld.
                >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                >> or
                >> > less!
                >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                > arguments.
                >> >
                >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                >> > >
                >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                >> bitch
                >> > at
                >> > > times.
                >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                > me.
                >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                > slightest,
                >> > the
                >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                >> count.
                >> > And by
                >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                >> > >
                >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                >> FANNIE
                >> > mae,
                >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                >> > would
                >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                > money
                >> > into
                >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                >> idea,
                >> > and
                >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                >> > things.
                >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                >> name
                >> > for
                >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                >> > friends.
                >> > > Good to see you're back.
                >> > > Later...
                >> > > Ted
                >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                >> > > From: masanga@
                >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                > [11-08-08]
                >> > >
                >> > >
                >> > > > Hi Ted,
                >> > > >
                >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                >> > to get
                >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                >> > eventually
                >> > > > got
                >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                > me
                >> in
                >> > my
                >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                > days
                >> > and was
                >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                >> > forum
                >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                > election
                >> > of
                >> > > > Barack
                >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                >> > them. The
                >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                > of
                >> > joy in
                >> > > > the
                >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                > new
                >> > age has
                >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                >> > > > world-historic
                >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                >> here.
                >> > Why
                >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                >> > > >
                >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                >> > election
                >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                >> > politicians
                >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                > view
                >> > that
                >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                >> > constitutes
                >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                >> > the
                >> > > > whole
                >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                >> > > > Lambremont
                >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                > to
                >> > remove
                >> > > > the
                >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                >> anything
                >> > > > myself
                >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                > either.
                >> > > >
                >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                >> > found no
                >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                > myself
                >> > from
                >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                >> > whenever I
                >> > > > am
                >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                >> > that
                >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                > don't
                >> > want to
                >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                > spectacle
                >> > may be.
                >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                > the
                >> > Zeta -
                >> > > > on
                >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                > those
                >> > among us
                >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                > it.
                >> > So my
                >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                > warning
                >> in
                >> > > > fact -
                >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                > cult-building
                >> > > > activity
                >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                >> their
                >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                > to
                >> > do
                >> > > > that
                >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                >> > natural
                >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                >> > > >
                >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                >> > now
                >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                >> > > >
                >> > > > Warm regards,
                >> > > > Regan
                >> > > >
                >> > > >
                >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                >> > > > From: Ted
                >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                >> [11-08-08]
                >> > > >
                >> > > >
                >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                >> > > > .
                >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                >> > > > From: masanga@
                >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                >> [11-08-08]
                >> > > >
                >> > > >
                >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                >> > words of
                >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                > is
                >> > > >> reported
                >> > > >> to have said:
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                >> > > >> fantasies
                >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Regan
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> written
                >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                > he
                >> > did on
                >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                > out
                >> > in his
                >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                >> new
                >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                >> The
                >> > Zetas
                >> > > >> have
                >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                >> > would
                >> > > >> like
                >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                > X,
                >> > and if
                >> > > >> so
                >> > > >> was
                >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                >> > Friday the
                >> > > >> CNN
                >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                >> > "pause"
                >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                >> declined
                >> > to
                >> > > >> comment.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                >> consensus
                >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                > his
                >> > heart
                >> > > >> and
                >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                >> Obama
                >> > looked
                >> > > >> older
                >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                > the
                >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                > candidacy.
                >> > Yet the
                >> > > >> race
                >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                >> causing
                >> > him
                >> > > >> loss
                >> > > >> of
                >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                >> > already
                >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                > world
                >> > and
                >> > > >> what
                >> > > >> the
                >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                > also
                >> > did not
                >> > > >> learn
                >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                >> > company
                >> > > >> crimes,
                >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                >> FBI
                >> > and
                >> > > >> the
                >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                >> > planetary
                >> > > >> presence
                >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                >> had
                >> > heard
                >> > > >> the
                >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                >> relayed
                >> > to
                >> > > >> him
                >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                >> > confirmation.
                >> > > >> Why would
                >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                > US
                >> > > >> boundaries
                >> > > >> are
                >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                >> cover-up,
                >> > and
                >> > > >> how
                >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                >> been
                >> > > >> decided.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                > options
                >> > in the
                >> > > >> future.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                > beliefs?
                >> He
                >> > is
                >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                >> > Lincoln
                >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                >> > > >> figuratively?
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                >> > recognize
                >> > > >> early
                >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                >> case,
                >> > he
                >> > > >> was
                >> > > >> a
                >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                > life
                >> > > >> circumstances
                >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                > human
                >> > body
                >> > > >> and
                >> > > >> mind
                >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                >> > conclusion
                >> > > >> that
                >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> The
                >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Issue 104,
                >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> Election
                >> > > >> Results
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> As predicted by
                >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                >> > state by
                >> > > >> state,
                >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                >> > ended up
                >> > > >> in
                >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                > to
                >> > the
                >> > > >> actual
                >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                >> > > >>
                >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                > is
                >> > Not
                >> > > >> MOCKED!
                >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                >> > > >
                >> > > >
                >> > > > ------------------------------------
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              • masanga@talktalk.net
                I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                  I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                  But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                  understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                  clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                  appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                  concerned.

                  However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                  obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                  should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Ted
                  To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                  You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                  head
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: <masanga@...>
                  To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                  > Nathaniel,
                  >
                  > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                  >
                  > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                  > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                  > of
                  > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                  > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                  > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                  > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                  > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                  >
                  > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                  > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                  > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                  > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                  > he
                  > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                  >
                  > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                  > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                  > date
                  > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                  > to
                  > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                  > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                  > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                  >
                  > Regan (masanga)
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > masanga,
                  > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                  > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                  > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                  > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                  > At any rate, I wish you well.
                  >
                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> Nathaniel,
                  >>
                  >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                  > that my
                  >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                  > great
                  >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                  >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                  > knowledge,
                  >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                  > desires,
                  >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                  > as
                  >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                  >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                  > said
                  >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                  > And
                  >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                  > children to
                  >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                  > for
                  >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                  > long
                  >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                  >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                  > encouragement
                  >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                  > mental age
                  >> down to absolute zero in time.
                  >>
                  >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                  > break
                  >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                  > don't
                  >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                  > in the
                  >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                  > suggest
                  >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                  >>
                  >> Sincerely,
                  >> Regan (masanga)
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                  >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Dear masanga,
                  >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                  >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                  >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                  >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                  > would
                  >> your answer be?
                  >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                  >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                  > Can
                  >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                  > a
                  >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                  >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                  > Obama,
                  >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                  > earth
                  >> would qualify.
                  >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                  >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                  >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                  >>
                  >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                  >> >
                  >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                  >> >
                  >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  >> certain
                  >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                  >> > wicked...."
                  >> >
                  >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                  >> of our
                  >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                  > anyone
                  >> else
                  >> > in this respect.
                  >> >
                  >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                  > would
                  >> win
                  >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                  >> >
                  >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                  >> needing any
                  >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                  >> "seemingly
                  >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                  >> seemed to
                  >> > have a clear run to me.
                  >> >
                  >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                  >> >
                  >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                  >> about
                  >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                  >> >
                  >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                  >> praises
                  >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                  >> asssisted
                  >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                  >> protected
                  >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                  >> >
                  >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                  >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                  >> in
                  >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                  >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                  > up
                  >> to
                  >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                  > is
                  >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                  >> system
                  >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                  > where
                  >> the
                  >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                  >> the
                  >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                  > "Emperor").
                  >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                  >> office
                  >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                  >> for
                  >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                  >> >
                  >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  >> She is
                  >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                  >> for the
                  >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                  >> >
                  >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                  >> I see
                  >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                  >> as you
                  >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                  >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                  >> think she
                  >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                  >> independent
                  >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                  >> the
                  >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                  >> anonymous
                  >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                  >> sheer
                  >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                  >> the
                  >> > terms.
                  >> >
                  >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                  >> and
                  >> > sconld...."
                  >> >
                  >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                  >> scold
                  >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                  >> and
                  >> > objectively.
                  >> >
                  >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  >> morbid
                  >> > intransigence...."
                  >> >
                  >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                  >> compromise" and
                  >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                  > us
                  >> to
                  >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                  >> what
                  >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                  >> she
                  >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                  > price.
                  >> But
                  >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                  >> >
                  >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  > re-appearance
                  >> of
                  >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                  >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  > arguments."
                  >> >
                  >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                  >> we? Or
                  >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                  >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                  >> she has
                  >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                  > which
                  >> you
                  >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                  >> can
                  >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                  >> an
                  >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                  >> even
                  >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                  >> It is
                  >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                  >> to pay
                  >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                  >> high for
                  >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                  >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                  > own
                  >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                  >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                  >> lie the
                  >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                  >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                  >> >
                  >> > Regards,
                  >> > Regan
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > ----- Original Message -----
                  >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                  >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                  >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                  >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                  > the
                  >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                  >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                  >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                  > be
                  >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                  > team
                  >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                  >> this
                  >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                  > clock
                  >> > 24/7!!
                  >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  > She
                  >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  >> consciousness
                  >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                  > rediculed
                  >> > and sconld.
                  >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                  >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                  >> or
                  >> > less!
                  >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  > arguments.
                  >> >
                  >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                  >> > >
                  >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                  >> bitch
                  >> > at
                  >> > > times.
                  >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                  > me.
                  >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                  > slightest,
                  >> > the
                  >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                  >> count.
                  >> > And by
                  >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  >> > >
                  >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                  >> FANNIE
                  >> > mae,
                  >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                  >> > would
                  >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                  > money
                  >> > into
                  >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                  >> idea,
                  >> > and
                  >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                  >> > things.
                  >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                  >> name
                  >> > for
                  >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  >> > friends.
                  >> > > Good to see you're back.
                  >> > > Later...
                  >> > > Ted
                  >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                  >> > > From: masanga@
                  >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > [11-08-08]
                  >> > >
                  >> > >
                  >> > > > Hi Ted,
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  >> > to get
                  >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  >> > eventually
                  >> > > > got
                  >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                  > me
                  >> in
                  >> > my
                  >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                  > days
                  >> > and was
                  >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                  >> > forum
                  >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                  > election
                  >> > of
                  >> > > > Barack
                  >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                  >> > them. The
                  >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                  > of
                  >> > joy in
                  >> > > > the
                  >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                  > new
                  >> > age has
                  >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  >> > > > world-historic
                  >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                  >> here.
                  >> > Why
                  >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  >> > election
                  >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  >> > politicians
                  >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                  > view
                  >> > that
                  >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  >> > constitutes
                  >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                  >> > the
                  >> > > > whole
                  >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  >> > > > Lambremont
                  >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                  > to
                  >> > remove
                  >> > > > the
                  >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                  >> anything
                  >> > > > myself
                  >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                  > either.
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  >> > found no
                  >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                  > myself
                  >> > from
                  >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  >> > whenever I
                  >> > > > am
                  >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                  >> > that
                  >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                  > don't
                  >> > want to
                  >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                  > spectacle
                  >> > may be.
                  >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                  > the
                  >> > Zeta -
                  >> > > > on
                  >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                  > those
                  >> > among us
                  >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                  > it.
                  >> > So my
                  >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                  > warning
                  >> in
                  >> > > > fact -
                  >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                  > cult-building
                  >> > > > activity
                  >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                  >> their
                  >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                  > to
                  >> > do
                  >> > > > that
                  >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  >> > natural
                  >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  >> > now
                  >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > Warm regards,
                  >> > > > Regan
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  >> > > > From: Ted
                  >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  >> [11-08-08]
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                  >> > > > .
                  >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  >> > > > From: masanga@
                  >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  >> [11-08-08]
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  >> > words of
                  >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                  > is
                  >> > > >> reported
                  >> > > >> to have said:
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  >> > > >> fantasies
                  >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> Regan
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                  >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> written
                  >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                  >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                  > he
                  >> > did on
                  >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                  > out
                  >> > in his
                  >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                  >> new
                  >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                  >> The
                  >> > Zetas
                  >> > > >> have
                  >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                  >> > would
                  >> > > >> like
                  >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                  > X,
                  >> > and if
                  >> > > >> so
                  >> > > >> was
                  >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                  >> > Friday the
                  >> > > >> CNN
                  >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  >> > "pause"
                  >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                  >> declined
                  >> > to
                  >> > > >> comment.
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                  >> consensus
                  >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                  > his
                  >> > heart
                  >> > > >> and
                  >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                  >> Obama
                  >> > looked
                  >> > > >> older
                  >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                  > the
                  >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                  > candidacy.
                  >> > Yet the
                  >> > > >> race
                  >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                  >> causing
                  >> > him
                  >> > > >> loss
                  >> > > >> of
                  >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                  >> > already
                  >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                  > world
                  >> > and
                  >> > > >> what
                  >> > > >> the
                  >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                  > also
                  >> > did not
                  >> > > >> learn
                  >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                  >> > company
                  >> > > >> crimes,
                  >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                  >> FBI
                  >> > and
                  >> > > >> the
                  >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  >> > planetary
                  >> > > >> presence
                  >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                  >> had
                  >> > heard
                  >> > > >> the
                  >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                  >> relayed
                  >> > to
                  >> > > >> him
                  >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  >> > confirmation.
                  >> > > >> Why would
                  >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                  > US
                  >> > > >> boundaries
                  >> > > >> are
                  >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                  >> cover-up,
                  >> > and
                  >> > > >> how
                  >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                  >> been
                  >> > > >> decided.
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                  >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                  > options
                  >> > in the
                  >> > > >> future.
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                  > beliefs?
                  >> He
                  >> > is
                  >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                  >> > Lincoln
                  >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  >> > > >> figuratively?
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  >> > recognize
                  >> > > >> early
                  >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                  >> case,
                  >> > he
                  >> > > >> was
                  >> > > >> a
                  >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                  > life
                  >> > > >> circumstances
                  >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                  > human
                  >> > body
                  >> > > >> and
                  >> > > >> mind
                  >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  >> > conclusion
                  >> > > >> that
                  >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> The
                  >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> Issue 104,
                  >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> Election
                  >> > > >> Results
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> As predicted by
                  >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                  >> > state by
                  >> > > >> state,
                  >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                  >> > ended up
                  >> > > >> in
                  >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                  > to
                  >> > the
                  >> > > >> actual
                  >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  >> > > >>
                  >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                  > is
                  >> > Not
                  >> > > >> MOCKED!
                  >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > >
                  >> > > > ------------------------------------
                • Ted
                  Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                    Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                    Nancy's groupies.
                    He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                    Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                    wearing no close
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: <masanga@...>
                    To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                    > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                    >
                    > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                    > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                    > be
                    > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                    > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                    > concerned.
                    >
                    > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                    > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                    > he
                    > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Ted
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                    > his
                    > head
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: <masanga@...>
                    > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    >> Nathaniel,
                    >>
                    >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                    >>
                    >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                    >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                    >> of
                    >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                    >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                    >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                    >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                    >> have
                    >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                    >>
                    >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                    >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                    >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                    >> my
                    >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                    >> he
                    >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                    >>
                    >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                    >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                    >> date
                    >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                    >> to
                    >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                    >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                    >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                    >>
                    >> Regan (masanga)
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                    >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> masanga,
                    >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                    >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                    >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                    >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                    >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                    >>
                    >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                    >>>
                    >>> Nathaniel,
                    >>>
                    >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                    >> that my
                    >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                    >> great
                    >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                    >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                    >> knowledge,
                    >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                    >> desires,
                    >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                    >> as
                    >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                    >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                    >> said
                    >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                    >> And
                    >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                    >> children to
                    >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                    >> for
                    >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                    >> long
                    >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                    >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                    >> encouragement
                    >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                    >> mental age
                    >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                    >>>
                    >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                    >> break
                    >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                    >> don't
                    >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                    >> in the
                    >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                    >> suggest
                    >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                    >>>
                    >>> Sincerely,
                    >>> Regan (masanga)
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> ----- Original Message -----
                    >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                    >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                    >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> Dear masanga,
                    >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                    >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                    >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                    >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                    >> would
                    >>> your answer be?
                    >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                    >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                    >> Can
                    >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                    >> a
                    >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                    >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                    >> Obama,
                    >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                    >> earth
                    >>> would qualify.
                    >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                    >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                    >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                    >>>
                    >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    >>> >
                    >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                    >>> >
                    >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    >>> certain
                    >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                    >>> > wicked...."
                    >>> >
                    >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                    >>> of our
                    >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                    >> anyone
                    >>> else
                    >>> > in this respect.
                    >>> >
                    >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                    >> would
                    >>> win
                    >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                    >>> >
                    >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                    >>> needing any
                    >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                    >>> "seemingly
                    >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                    >>> seemed to
                    >>> > have a clear run to me.
                    >>> >
                    >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                    >>> >
                    >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                    >>> about
                    >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                    >>> >
                    >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                    >>> praises
                    >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                    >>> asssisted
                    >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                    >>> protected
                    >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                    >>> >
                    >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                    >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                    >>> in
                    >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                    >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                    >> up
                    >>> to
                    >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                    >> is
                    >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                    >>> system
                    >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                    >> where
                    >>> the
                    >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                    >>> the
                    >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                    >> "Emperor").
                    >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                    >>> office
                    >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                    >>> for
                    >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                    >>> >
                    >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    >>> She is
                    >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                    >>> for the
                    >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                    >>> >
                    >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                    >>> I see
                    >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                    >>> as you
                    >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                    >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                    >>> think she
                    >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                    >>> independent
                    >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                    >>> the
                    >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                    >>> anonymous
                    >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                    >>> sheer
                    >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                    >>> the
                    >>> > terms.
                    >>> >
                    >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                    >>> and
                    >>> > sconld...."
                    >>> >
                    >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                    >>> scold
                    >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                    >>> and
                    >>> > objectively.
                    >>> >
                    >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    >>> morbid
                    >>> > intransigence...."
                    >>> >
                    >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                    >>> compromise" and
                    >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                    >> us
                    >>> to
                    >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                    >>> what
                    >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                    >>> she
                    >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                    >> price.
                    >>> But
                    >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                    >>> >
                    >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    >> re-appearance
                    >>> of
                    >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                    >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    >> arguments."
                    >>> >
                    >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                    >>> we? Or
                    >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                    >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                    >>> she has
                    >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                    >> which
                    >>> you
                    >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                    >>> can
                    >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                    >>> an
                    >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                    >>> even
                    >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                    >>> It is
                    >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                    >>> to pay
                    >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                    >>> high for
                    >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                    >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                    >> own
                    >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                    >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                    >>> lie the
                    >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                    >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                    >>> >
                    >>> > Regards,
                    >>> > Regan
                    >>> >
                    >>> >
                    >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                    >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                    >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                    >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >>> >
                    >>> >
                    >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                    >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                    >> the
                    >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                    >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                    >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                    >> be
                    >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                    >> team
                    >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                    >>> this
                    >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                    >> clock
                    >>> > 24/7!!
                    >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    >> She
                    >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    >>> consciousness
                    >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    >> rediculed
                    >>> > and sconld.
                    >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                    >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                    >>> or
                    >>> > less!
                    >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    >> arguments.
                    >>> >
                    >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                    >>> > >
                    >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                    >>> bitch
                    >>> > at
                    >>> > > times.
                    >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                    >> me.
                    >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                    >> slightest,
                    >>> > the
                    >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                    >>> count.
                    >>> > And by
                    >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    >>> > >
                    >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                    >>> FANNIE
                    >>> > mae,
                    >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                    >>> > would
                    >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                    >> money
                    >>> > into
                    >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                    >>> idea,
                    >>> > and
                    >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                    >>> > things.
                    >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                    >>> name
                    >>> > for
                    >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    >>> > friends.
                    >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                    >>> > > Later...
                    >>> > > Ted
                    >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                    >>> > > From: masanga@
                    >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    >> [11-08-08]
                    >>> > >
                    >>> > >
                    >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    >>> > to get
                    >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    >>> > eventually
                    >>> > > > got
                    >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                    >> me
                    >>> in
                    >>> > my
                    >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                    >> days
                    >>> > and was
                    >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                    >>> > forum
                    >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                    >> election
                    >>> > of
                    >>> > > > Barack
                    >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                    >>> > them. The
                    >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                    >> of
                    >>> > joy in
                    >>> > > > the
                    >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                    >> new
                    >>> > age has
                    >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    >>> > > > world-historic
                    >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                    >>> here.
                    >>> > Why
                    >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    >>> > election
                    >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    >>> > politicians
                    >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                    >> view
                    >>> > that
                    >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    >>> > constitutes
                    >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                    >>> > the
                    >>> > > > whole
                    >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                    >>> > > > Lambremont
                    >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                    >> to
                    >>> > remove
                    >>> > > > the
                    >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                    >>> anything
                    >>> > > > myself
                    >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                    >> either.
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    >>> > found no
                    >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                    >> myself
                    >>> > from
                    >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    >>> > whenever I
                    >>> > > > am
                    >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                    >>> > that
                    >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                    >> don't
                    >>> > want to
                    >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                    >> spectacle
                    >>> > may be.
                    >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                    >> the
                    >>> > Zeta -
                    >>> > > > on
                    >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                    >> those
                    >>> > among us
                    >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                    >> it.
                    >>> > So my
                    >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                    >> warning
                    >>> in
                    >>> > > > fact -
                    >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                    >> cult-building
                    >>> > > > activity
                    >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                    >>> their
                    >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                    >> to
                    >>> > do
                    >>> > > > that
                    >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    >>> > natural
                    >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    >>> > now
                    >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > > Warm regards,
                    >>> > > > Regan
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    >>> > > > From: Ted
                    >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    >>> [11-08-08]
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                    >>> > > > .
                    >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    >>> > > > From: masanga@
                    >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    >>> [11-08-08]
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    >>> > words of
                    >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                    >> is
                    >>> > > >> reported
                    >>> > > >> to have said:
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    >>> > > >> fantasies
                    >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> Regan
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                    >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> written
                    >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                    >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                    >> he
                    >>> > did on
                    >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                    >> out
                    >>> > in his
                    >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                    >>> new
                    >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                    >>> The
                    >>> > Zetas
                    >>> > > >> have
                    >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                    >>> > would
                    >>> > > >> like
                    >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                    >> X,
                    >>> > and if
                    >>> > > >> so
                    >>> > > >> was
                    >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                    >>> > Friday the
                    >>> > > >> CNN
                    >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    >>> > "pause"
                    >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                    >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                    >>> declined
                    >>> > to
                    >>> > > >> comment.
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                    >>> consensus
                    >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                    >> his
                    >>> > heart
                    >>> > > >> and
                    >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                    >>> Obama
                    >>> > looked
                    >>> > > >> older
                    >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                    >> the
                    >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                    >> candidacy.
                    >>> > Yet the
                    >>> > > >> race
                    >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                    >>> causing
                    >>> > him
                    >>> > > >> loss
                    >>> > > >> of
                    >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                    >>> > already
                    >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                    >> world
                    >>> > and
                    >>> > > >> what
                    >>> > > >> the
                    >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                    >> also
                    >>> > did not
                    >>> > > >> learn
                    >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                    >>> > company
                    >>> > > >> crimes,
                    >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                    >>> FBI
                    >>> > and
                    >>> > > >> the
                    >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    >>> > planetary
                    >>> > > >> presence
                    >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                    >>> had
                    >>> > heard
                    >>> > > >> the
                    >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                    >>> relayed
                    >>> > to
                    >>> > > >> him
                    >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    >>> > confirmation.
                    >>> > > >> Why would
                    >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                    >> US
                    >>> > > >> boundaries
                    >>> > > >> are
                    >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                    >>> cover-up,
                    >>> > and
                    >>> > > >> how
                    >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                    >>> been
                    >>> > > >> decided.
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                    >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                    >> options
                    >>> > in the
                    >>> > > >> future.
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                    >> beliefs?
                    >>> He
                    >>> > is
                    >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                    >>> > Lincoln
                    >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    >>> > > >> figuratively?
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    >>> > recognize
                    >>> > > >> early
                    >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                    >>> case,
                    >>> > he
                    >>> > > >> was
                    >>> > > >> a
                    >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                    >> life
                    >>> > > >> circumstances
                    >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                    >> human
                    >>> > body
                    >>> > > >> and
                    >>> > > >> mind
                    >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    >>> > conclusion
                    >>> > > >> that
                    >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> The
                    >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                    >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> Election
                    >>> > > >> Results
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> As predicted by
                    >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                    >>> > state by
                    >>> > > >> state,
                    >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                    >>> > ended up
                    >>> > > >> in
                    >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                    >> to
                    >>> > the
                    >>> > > >> actual
                    >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    >>> > > >>
                    >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                    >> is
                    >>> > Not
                    >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                    >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > >
                    >>> > > > ------------------------------------
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                    >
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                    >
                    >
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                  • nathaniel x vance
                    Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                      Dear Brother masanga,
                      Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                      and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                      you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                      rebellion out in me.
                      Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                      COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                      like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                      higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                      help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                      renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                      higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                      co-existence will be the order of the future!
                      Please pardon me.

                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Nathaniel,
                      >
                      > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                      >
                      > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                      about
                      > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                      know of
                      > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                      > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                      > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                      universe, I
                      > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                      have
                      > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                      >
                      > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                      divine
                      > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                      > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                      in my
                      > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                      that he
                      > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                      >
                      > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                      presume to
                      > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                      date
                      > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                      mystery to
                      > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                      > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                      divine
                      > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                      >
                      > Regan (masanga)
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > masanga,
                      > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                      > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                      > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                      > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                      > At any rate, I wish you well.
                      >
                      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Nathaniel,
                      > >
                      > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                      > that my
                      > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                      > great
                      > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                      > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                      > knowledge,
                      > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                      > desires,
                      > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                      things
                      > as
                      > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                      will
                      > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                      > said
                      > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                      > And
                      > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                      > children to
                      > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                      you
                      > for
                      > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                      worked
                      > long
                      > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                      both
                      > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                      > encouragement
                      > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                      > mental age
                      > > down to absolute zero in time.
                      > >
                      > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                      > break
                      > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                      > don't
                      > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                      me
                      > in the
                      > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                      > suggest
                      > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                      up.
                      > >
                      > > Sincerely,
                      > > Regan (masanga)
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                      > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Dear masanga,
                      > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                      answer
                      > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                      > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                      our
                      > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                      > would
                      > > your answer be?
                      > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                      before
                      > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                      > Can
                      > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                      see
                      > a
                      > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                      details
                      > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                      > Obama,
                      > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                      > earth
                      > > would qualify.
                      > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                      > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                      > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                      > >
                      > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                      > > >
                      > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                      a
                      > > certain
                      > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                      greedy
                      > > > wicked...."
                      > > >
                      > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                      > > of our
                      > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                      > anyone
                      > > else
                      > > > in this respect.
                      > > >
                      > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                      > would
                      > > win
                      > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                      > > >
                      > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                      > > needing any
                      > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                      > > "seemingly
                      > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                      > > seemed to
                      > > > have a clear run to me.
                      > > >
                      > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                      > > >
                      > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                      > > about
                      > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                      > > >
                      > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                      > > praises
                      > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                      > > asssisted
                      > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                      > > protected
                      > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                      > > >
                      > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                      > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                      really
                      > > in
                      > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                      dominance?
                      > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                      > up
                      > > to
                      > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                      > is
                      > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                      a
                      > > system
                      > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                      > where
                      > > the
                      > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                      become
                      > > the
                      > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                      > "Emperor").
                      > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                      > > office
                      > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                      credit
                      > > for
                      > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                      me.
                      > > >
                      > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                      cult!
                      > > She is
                      > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      consciousness
                      > > for the
                      > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                      > > >
                      > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                      > > I see
                      > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                      be
                      > > as you
                      > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                      for
                      > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                      > > think she
                      > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                      > > independent
                      > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                      asserting
                      > > the
                      > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                      > > anonymous
                      > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                      on
                      > > sheer
                      > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                      of
                      > > the
                      > > > terms.
                      > > >
                      > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                      rediculed
                      > > and
                      > > > sconld...."
                      > > >
                      > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                      > > scold
                      > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                      impartially
                      > > and
                      > > > objectively.
                      > > >
                      > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      > > morbid
                      > > > intransigence...."
                      > > >
                      > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                      > > compromise" and
                      > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                      > us
                      > > to
                      > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                      wonder
                      > > what
                      > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                      > > she
                      > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                      > price.
                      > > But
                      > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                      ours.
                      > > >
                      > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > re-appearance
                      > > of
                      > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                      > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > arguments."
                      > > >
                      > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                      > > we? Or
                      > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                      absurd
                      > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                      which
                      > > she has
                      > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                      > which
                      > > you
                      > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                      she
                      > > can
                      > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                      into
                      > > an
                      > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                      > > even
                      > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                      intelligence?
                      > > It is
                      > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                      willing
                      > > to pay
                      > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                      > > high for
                      > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                      "full
                      > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                      > own
                      > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                      > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                      a
                      > > lie the
                      > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                      > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                      > > >
                      > > > Regards,
                      > > > Regan
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                      > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                      > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                      > the
                      > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                      that
                      > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                      against
                      > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                      should
                      > be
                      > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                      > team
                      > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                      > > this
                      > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                      > clock
                      > > > 24/7!!
                      > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                      > She
                      > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      > > consciousness
                      > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                      > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                      > rediculed
                      > > > and sconld.
                      > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      morbid
                      > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                      years
                      > > or
                      > > > less!
                      > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > arguments.
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                      > > bitch
                      > > > at
                      > > > > times.
                      > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                      > me.
                      > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                      > slightest,
                      > > > the
                      > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                      > > count.
                      > > > And by
                      > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                      > > FANNIE
                      > > > mae,
                      > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                      One
                      > > > would
                      > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                      > money
                      > > > into
                      > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                      > > idea,
                      > > > and
                      > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                      damn
                      > > > things.
                      > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                      > > name
                      > > > for
                      > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      > > > friends.
                      > > > > Good to see you're back.
                      > > > > Later...
                      > > > > Ted
                      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > From: masanga@
                      > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > [11-08-08]
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > > Hi Ted,
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      > > > to get
                      > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      > > > eventually
                      > > > > > got
                      > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                      > me
                      > > in
                      > > > my
                      > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                      > days
                      > > > and was
                      > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                      this
                      > > > forum
                      > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                      > election
                      > > > of
                      > > > > > Barack
                      > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                      of
                      > > > them. The
                      > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                      > of
                      > > > joy in
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                      > new
                      > > > age has
                      > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      > > > > > world-historic
                      > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                      > > here.
                      > > > Why
                      > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      > > > election
                      > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      > > > politicians
                      > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                      > view
                      > > > that
                      > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      > > > constitutes
                      > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                      in
                      > > > the
                      > > > > > whole
                      > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                      Alfred
                      > > > > > Lambremont
                      > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                      > to
                      > > > remove
                      > > > > > the
                      > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                      > > anything
                      > > > > > myself
                      > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                      > either.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      > > > found no
                      > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                      > myself
                      > > > from
                      > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      > > > whenever I
                      > > > > > am
                      > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                      performed
                      > > > that
                      > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                      > don't
                      > > > want to
                      > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                      > spectacle
                      > > > may be.
                      > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                      > the
                      > > > Zeta -
                      > > > > > on
                      > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                      > those
                      > > > among us
                      > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                      > it.
                      > > > So my
                      > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                      > warning
                      > > in
                      > > > > > fact -
                      > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                      > cult-building
                      > > > > > activity
                      > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                      > > their
                      > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                      freedom
                      > to
                      > > > do
                      > > > > > that
                      > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      > > > natural
                      > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      > > > now
                      > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Warm regards,
                      > > > > > Regan
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > From: Ted
                      > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > > [11-08-08]
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                      > > > > > .
                      > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > > From: masanga@
                      > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > > [11-08-08]
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      > > > words of
                      > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                      who
                      > is
                      > > > > >> reported
                      > > > > >> to have said:
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      > > > > >> fantasies
                      > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Regan
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                      ;
                      > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                      > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> written
                      > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                      > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                      > he
                      > > > did on
                      > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                      > out
                      > > > in his
                      > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                      the
                      > > new
                      > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                      shift?
                      > > The
                      > > > Zetas
                      > > > > >> have
                      > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                      I
                      > > > would
                      > > > > >> like
                      > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                      > X,
                      > > > and if
                      > > > > >> so
                      > > > > >> was
                      > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                      > > > Friday the
                      > > > > >> CNN
                      > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      > > > "pause"
                      > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                      4th
                      > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                      > > declined
                      > > > to
                      > > > > >> comment.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                      > > consensus
                      > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                      > his
                      > > > heart
                      > > > > >> and
                      > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                      > > Obama
                      > > > looked
                      > > > > >> older
                      > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                      > the
                      > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                      > candidacy.
                      > > > Yet the
                      > > > > >> race
                      > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                      > > causing
                      > > > him
                      > > > > >> loss
                      > > > > >> of
                      > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                      not
                      > > > already
                      > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                      > world
                      > > > and
                      > > > > >> what
                      > > > > >> the
                      > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                      > also
                      > > > did not
                      > > > > >> learn
                      > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                      > > > company
                      > > > > >> crimes,
                      > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                      the
                      > > FBI
                      > > > and
                      > > > > >> the
                      > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      > > > planetary
                      > > > > >> presence
                      > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                      He
                      > > had
                      > > > heard
                      > > > > >> the
                      > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                      > > relayed
                      > > > to
                      > > > > >> him
                      > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      > > > confirmation.
                      > > > > >> Why would
                      > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                      > US
                      > > > > >> boundaries
                      > > > > >> are
                      > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                      > > cover-up,
                      > > > and
                      > > > > >> how
                      > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                      > > been
                      > > > > >> decided.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                      > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                      > options
                      > > > in the
                      > > > > >> future.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                      > beliefs?
                      > > He
                      > > > is
                      > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                      is
                      > > > Lincoln
                      > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      > > > > >> figuratively?
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      > > > recognize
                      > > > > >> early
                      > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                      > > case,
                      > > > he
                      > > > > >> was
                      > > > > >> a
                      > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                      > life
                      > > > > >> circumstances
                      > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                      > human
                      > > > body
                      > > > > >> and
                      > > > > >> mind
                      > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      > > > conclusion
                      > > > > >> that
                      > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> The
                      > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Issue 104,
                      > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> Election
                      > > > > >> Results
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> As predicted by
                      > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                      result,
                      > > > state by
                      > > > > >> state,
                      > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                      McCain
                      > > > ended up
                      > > > > >> in
                      > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                      > to
                      > > > the
                      > > > > >> actual
                      > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      > > > > >>
                      > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                      GOD
                      > is
                      > > > Not
                      > > > > >> MOCKED!
                      > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > ------------------------------------
                      >
                    • nathaniel x vance
                      Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
                      Message 10 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                        Okay Mr. Ted,
                        I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                        scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                        two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                        think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                        wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                        he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                        Messiah/Mahdi?
                        We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                        Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                        scratching his
                        > head
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: masanga@...
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > > Nathaniel,
                        > >
                        > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                        > >
                        > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                        about
                        > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                        know
                        > > of
                        > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                        > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                        > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                        universe, I
                        > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                        I have
                        > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                        > >
                        > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                        divine
                        > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                        > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                        in my
                        > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                        that
                        > > he
                        > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                        > >
                        > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                        presume to
                        > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                        to
                        > > date
                        > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                        mystery
                        > > to
                        > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                        > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                        divine
                        > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                        > >
                        > > Regan (masanga)
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                        > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > masanga,
                        > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                        about
                        > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                        > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                        If
                        > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                        > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                        > >
                        > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                        > >>
                        > >> Nathaniel,
                        > >>
                        > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                        > > that my
                        > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                        > > great
                        > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                        have
                        > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                        > > knowledge,
                        > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                        > > desires,
                        > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                        things
                        > > as
                        > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                        will
                        > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                        > > said
                        > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                        > > And
                        > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                        > > children to
                        > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                        you
                        > > for
                        > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                        worked
                        > > long
                        > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                        both
                        > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                        > > encouragement
                        > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                        > > mental age
                        > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                        > >>
                        > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                        > > break
                        > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                        > > don't
                        > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                        me
                        > > in the
                        > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                        > > suggest
                        > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                        up.
                        > >>
                        > >> Sincerely,
                        > >> Regan (masanga)
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                        > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >> Dear masanga,
                        > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                        answer
                        > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                        > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                        our
                        > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                        > > would
                        > >> your answer be?
                        > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                        before
                        > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                        qualifications;
                        > > Can
                        > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                        see
                        > > a
                        > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                        details
                        > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                        > > Obama,
                        > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                        > > earth
                        > >> would qualify.
                        > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                        > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                        > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                        > >>
                        > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                        > >> >
                        > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                        a
                        > >> certain
                        > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                        greedy
                        > >> > wicked...."
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                        > >> of our
                        > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                        > > anyone
                        > >> else
                        > >> > in this respect.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                        > > would
                        > >> win
                        > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                        > >> >
                        > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                        > >> needing any
                        > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                        > >> "seemingly
                        > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                        > >> seemed to
                        > >> > have a clear run to me.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                        > >> about
                        > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                        and
                        > >> praises
                        > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                        who
                        > >> asssisted
                        > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                        > >> protected
                        > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                        > >> >
                        > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                        > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                        really
                        > >> in
                        > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                        dominance?
                        > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                        facing
                        > > up
                        > >> to
                        > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                        which
                        > > is
                        > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                        a
                        > >> system
                        > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                        > > where
                        > >> the
                        > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                        become
                        > >> the
                        > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                        > > "Emperor").
                        > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                        > >> office
                        > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                        credit
                        > >> for
                        > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                        me.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                        cult!
                        > >> She is
                        > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        consciousness
                        > >> for the
                        > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        righteous."
                        > >> >
                        > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                        > >> I see
                        > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                        be
                        > >> as you
                        > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                        for
                        > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                        > >> think she
                        > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                        > >> independent
                        > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                        asserting
                        > >> the
                        > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                        > >> anonymous
                        > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                        on
                        > >> sheer
                        > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                        of
                        > >> the
                        > >> > terms.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                        rediculed
                        > >> and
                        > >> > sconld...."
                        > >> >
                        > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                        > >> scold
                        > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                        impartially
                        > >> and
                        > >> > objectively.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        > >> morbid
                        > >> > intransigence...."
                        > >> >
                        > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                        > >> compromise" and
                        > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                        wants
                        > > us
                        > >> to
                        > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                        wonder
                        > >> what
                        > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                        think
                        > >> she
                        > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                        > > price.
                        > >> But
                        > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                        ours.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        > > re-appearance
                        > >> of
                        > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                        > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        > > arguments."
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                        > >> we? Or
                        > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                        absurd
                        > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                        which
                        > >> she has
                        > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                        > > which
                        > >> you
                        > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                        she
                        > >> can
                        > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                        into
                        > >> an
                        > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                        or
                        > >> even
                        > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                        intelligence?
                        > >> It is
                        > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                        willing
                        > >> to pay
                        > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                        too
                        > >> high for
                        > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                        "full
                        > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                        > > own
                        > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                        > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                        and a
                        > >> lie the
                        > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                        > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Regards,
                        > >> > Regan
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                        > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                        > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                        > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                        a
                        > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                        > > the
                        > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                        that
                        > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                        against
                        > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                        should
                        > > be
                        > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                        > > team
                        > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                        making
                        > >> this
                        > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                        > > clock
                        > >> > 24/7!!
                        > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                        cult!
                        > > She
                        > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        > >> consciousness
                        > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                        > > rediculed
                        > >> > and sconld.
                        > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        morbid
                        > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                        years
                        > >> or
                        > >> > less!
                        > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        > > arguments.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                        > >> > >
                        > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                        > >> bitch
                        > >> > at
                        > >> > > times.
                        > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                        > > me.
                        > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                        > > slightest,
                        > >> > the
                        > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                        > >> count.
                        > >> > And by
                        > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        > >> > >
                        > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                        > >> FANNIE
                        > >> > mae,
                        > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                        One
                        > >> > would
                        > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                        > > money
                        > >> > into
                        > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                        > >> idea,
                        > >> > and
                        > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                        damn
                        > >> > things.
                        > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                        Nancy's
                        > >> name
                        > >> > for
                        > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        > >> > friends.
                        > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                        > >> > > Later...
                        > >> > > Ted
                        > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > >> > > From: masanga@
                        > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > > [11-08-08]
                        > >> > >
                        > >> > >
                        > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        > >> > to get
                        > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        > >> > eventually
                        > >> > > > got
                        > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                        for
                        > > me
                        > >> in
                        > >> > my
                        > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                        > > days
                        > >> > and was
                        > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                        this
                        > >> > forum
                        > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                        > > election
                        > >> > of
                        > >> > > > Barack
                        > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                        of
                        > >> > them. The
                        > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                        tears
                        > > of
                        > >> > joy in
                        > >> > > > the
                        > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                        > > new
                        > >> > age has
                        > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        > >> > > > world-historic
                        > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                        > >> here.
                        > >> > Why
                        > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        > >> > election
                        > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        > >> > politicians
                        > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                        > > view
                        > >> > that
                        > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        > >> > constitutes
                        > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                        in
                        > >> > the
                        > >> > > > whole
                        > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                        Alfred
                        > >> > > > Lambremont
                        > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                        commitment
                        > > to
                        > >> > remove
                        > >> > > > the
                        > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                        > >> anything
                        > >> > > > myself
                        > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                        > > either.
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        > >> > found no
                        > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                        > > myself
                        > >> > from
                        > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        > >> > whenever I
                        > >> > > > am
                        > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                        performed
                        > >> > that
                        > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                        > > don't
                        > >> > want to
                        > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                        > > spectacle
                        > >> > may be.
                        > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                        of
                        > > the
                        > >> > Zeta -
                        > >> > > > on
                        > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                        > > those
                        > >> > among us
                        > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                        to
                        > > it.
                        > >> > So my
                        > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                        > > warning
                        > >> in
                        > >> > > > fact -
                        > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                        > > cult-building
                        > >> > > > activity
                        > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                        dictate
                        > >> their
                        > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                        freedom
                        > > to
                        > >> > do
                        > >> > > > that
                        > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        > >> > natural
                        > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        > >> > now
                        > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > > Warm regards,
                        > >> > > > Regan
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > >> > > > From: Ted
                        > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > >> [11-08-08]
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                        > >> > > > .
                        > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > >> > > > From: masanga@
                        > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > >> [11-08-08]
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        > >> > words of
                        > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                        who
                        > > is
                        > >> > > >> reported
                        > >> > > >> to have said:
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        > >> > > >> fantasies
                        > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> Regan
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                        ;
                        > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                        ;
                        > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                        earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                        ;
                        > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                        ;
                        > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                        ;
                        > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                        > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> written
                        > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                        > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                        than
                        > > he
                        > >> > did on
                        > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                        found
                        > > out
                        > >> > in his
                        > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                        the
                        > >> new
                        > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                        shift?
                        > >> The
                        > >> > Zetas
                        > >> > > >> have
                        > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                        another] I
                        > >> > would
                        > >> > > >> like
                        > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                        Planet
                        > > X,
                        > >> > and if
                        > >> > > >> so
                        > >> > > >> was
                        > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                        conference
                        > >> > Friday the
                        > >> > > >> CNN
                        > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        > >> > "pause"
                        > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                        4th
                        > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                        > >> declined
                        > >> > to
                        > >> > > >> comment.
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                        > >> consensus
                        > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                        > > his
                        > >> > heart
                        > >> > > >> and
                        > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                        > >> Obama
                        > >> > looked
                        > >> > > >> older
                        > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                        > > the
                        > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                        > > candidacy.
                        > >> > Yet the
                        > >> > > >> race
                        > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                        > >> causing
                        > >> > him
                        > >> > > >> loss
                        > >> > > >> of
                        > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                        not
                        > >> > already
                        > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                        > > world
                        > >> > and
                        > >> > > >> what
                        > >> > > >> the
                        > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                        > > also
                        > >> > did not
                        > >> > > >> learn
                        > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                        and
                        > >> > company
                        > >> > > >> crimes,
                        > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                        the
                        > >> FBI
                        > >> > and
                        > >> > > >> the
                        > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        > >> > planetary
                        > >> > > >> presence
                        > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                        He
                        > >> had
                        > >> > heard
                        > >> > > >> the
                        > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                        > >> relayed
                        > >> > to
                        > >> > > >> him
                        > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        > >> > confirmation.
                        > >> > > >> Why would
                        > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                        the
                        > > US
                        > >> > > >> boundaries
                        > >> > > >> are
                        > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                        > >> cover-up,
                        > >> > and
                        > >> > > >> how
                        > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                        yet
                        > >> been
                        > >> > > >> decided.
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                        > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                        > > options
                        > >> > in the
                        > >> > > >> future.
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                        > > beliefs?
                        > >> He
                        > >> > is
                        > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                        is
                        > >> > Lincoln
                        > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                        speaking
                        > >> > > >> figuratively?
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                        many,
                        > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        > >> > recognize
                        > >> > > >> early
                        > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                        Obama's
                        > >> case,
                        > >> > he
                        > >> > > >> was
                        > >> > > >> a
                        > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                        > > life
                        > >> > > >> circumstances
                        > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                        > > human
                        > >> > body
                        > >> > > >> and
                        > >> > > >> mind
                        > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        > >> > conclusion
                        > >> > > >> that
                        > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> The
                        > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                        > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> Election
                        > >> > > >> Results
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> As predicted by
                        > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                        result,
                        > >> > state by
                        > >> > > >> state,
                        > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                        McCain
                        > >> > ended up
                        > >> > > >> in
                        > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                        polls,
                        > > to
                        > >> > the
                        > >> > > >> actual
                        > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        > >> > > >>
                        > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                        GOD
                        > > is
                        > >> > Not
                        > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                        > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > >
                        > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ------------------------------------
                        > >
                        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • masanga@talktalk.net
                        Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                          Dear Nathaniel,

                          Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                          you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                          no harm was done.

                          Be at peace.

                          Regan (masanga)


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: nathaniel x vance
                          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                          Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                          Dear Brother masanga,
                          Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                          and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                          you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                          rebellion out in me.
                          Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                          COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                          like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                          higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                          help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                          renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                          higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                          co-existence will be the order of the future!
                          Please pardon me.

                          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Nathaniel,
                          >
                          > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                          >
                          > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                          about
                          > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                          know of
                          > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                          > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                          > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                          universe, I
                          > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                          have
                          > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                          >
                          > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                          divine
                          > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                          > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                          in my
                          > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                          that he
                          > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                          >
                          > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                          presume to
                          > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                          date
                          > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                          mystery to
                          > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                          > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                          divine
                          > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                          >
                          > Regan (masanga)
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > masanga,
                          > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                          > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                          > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                          > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                          > At any rate, I wish you well.
                          >
                          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Nathaniel,
                          > >
                          > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                          > that my
                          > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                          > great
                          > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                          > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                          > knowledge,
                          > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                          > desires,
                          > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                          things
                          > as
                          > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                          will
                          > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                          > said
                          > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                          > And
                          > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                          > children to
                          > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                          you
                          > for
                          > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                          worked
                          > long
                          > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                          both
                          > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                          > encouragement
                          > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                          > mental age
                          > > down to absolute zero in time.
                          > >
                          > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                          > break
                          > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                          > don't
                          > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                          me
                          > in the
                          > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                          > suggest
                          > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                          up.
                          > >
                          > > Sincerely,
                          > > Regan (masanga)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                          > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Dear masanga,
                          > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                          answer
                          > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                          > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                          our
                          > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                          > would
                          > > your answer be?
                          > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                          before
                          > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                          > Can
                          > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                          see
                          > a
                          > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                          details
                          > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                          > Obama,
                          > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                          > earth
                          > > would qualify.
                          > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                          > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                          > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                          > >
                          > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                          > > >
                          > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                          a
                          > > certain
                          > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                          greedy
                          > > > wicked...."
                          > > >
                          > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                          > > of our
                          > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                          > anyone
                          > > else
                          > > > in this respect.
                          > > >
                          > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                          > would
                          > > win
                          > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                          > > >
                          > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                          > > needing any
                          > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                          > > "seemingly
                          > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                          > > seemed to
                          > > > have a clear run to me.
                          > > >
                          > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                          > > >
                          > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                          > > about
                          > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                          > > >
                          > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                          > > praises
                          > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                          > > asssisted
                          > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                          > > protected
                          > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                          > > >
                          > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                          > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                          really
                          > > in
                          > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                          dominance?
                          > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                          > up
                          > > to
                          > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                          > is
                          > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                          a
                          > > system
                          > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                          > where
                          > > the
                          > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                          become
                          > > the
                          > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                          > "Emperor").
                          > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                          > > office
                          > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                          credit
                          > > for
                          > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                          me.
                          > > >
                          > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                          cult!
                          > > She is
                          > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                          consciousness
                          > > for the
                          > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                          > > >
                          > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                          > > I see
                          > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                          be
                          > > as you
                          > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                          for
                          > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                          > > think she
                          > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                          > > independent
                          > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                          asserting
                          > > the
                          > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                          > > anonymous
                          > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                          on
                          > > sheer
                          > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                          of
                          > > the
                          > > > terms.
                          > > >
                          > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                          rediculed
                          > > and
                          > > > sconld...."
                          > > >
                          > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                          > > scold
                          > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                          impartially
                          > > and
                          > > > objectively.
                          > > >
                          > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                          > > morbid
                          > > > intransigence...."
                          > > >
                          > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                          > > compromise" and
                          > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                          > us
                          > > to
                          > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                          wonder
                          > > what
                          > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                          > > she
                          > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                          > price.
                          > > But
                          > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                          ours.
                          > > >
                          > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          > re-appearance
                          > > of
                          > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                          > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          > arguments."
                          > > >
                          > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                          > > we? Or
                          > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                          absurd
                          > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                          which
                          > > she has
                          > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                          > which
                          > > you
                          > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                          she
                          > > can
                          > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                          into
                          > > an
                          > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                          > > even
                          > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                          intelligence?
                          > > It is
                          > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                          willing
                          > > to pay
                          > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                          > > high for
                          > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                          "full
                          > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                          > own
                          > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                          > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                          a
                          > > lie the
                          > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                          > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                          > > >
                          > > > Regards,
                          > > > Regan
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                          > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          [11-08-08]
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                          > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                          > the
                          > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                          that
                          > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                          against
                          > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                          should
                          > be
                          > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                          > team
                          > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                          > > this
                          > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                          > clock
                          > > > 24/7!!
                          > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          > She
                          > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                          > > consciousness
                          > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                          > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                          > rediculed
                          > > > and sconld.
                          > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                          morbid
                          > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                          years
                          > > or
                          > > > less!
                          > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          > arguments.
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                          > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                          > > bitch
                          > > > at
                          > > > > times.
                          > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                          > me.
                          > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                          > slightest,
                          > > > the
                          > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                          > > count.
                          > > > And by
                          > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                          > > FANNIE
                          > > > mae,
                          > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                          One
                          > > > would
                          > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                          > money
                          > > > into
                          > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                          > > idea,
                          > > > and
                          > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                          damn
                          > > > things.
                          > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                          > > name
                          > > > for
                          > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                          > > > friends.
                          > > > > Good to see you're back.
                          > > > > Later...
                          > > > > Ted
                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > From: masanga@
                          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > [11-08-08]
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > > Hi Ted,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                          > > > to get
                          > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                          > > > eventually
                          > > > > > got
                          > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                          > me
                          > > in
                          > > > my
                          > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                          > days
                          > > > and was
                          > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                          this
                          > > > forum
                          > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                          > election
                          > > > of
                          > > > > > Barack
                          > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                          of
                          > > > them. The
                          > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                          > of
                          > > > joy in
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                          > new
                          > > > age has
                          > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                          > > > > > world-historic
                          > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                          > > here.
                          > > > Why
                          > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                          > > > election
                          > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                          > > > politicians
                          > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                          > view
                          > > > that
                          > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                          > > > constitutes
                          > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                          in
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > whole
                          > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                          Alfred
                          > > > > > Lambremont
                          > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                          > to
                          > > > remove
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                          > > anything
                          > > > > > myself
                          > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                          > either.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                          > > > found no
                          > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                          > myself
                          > > > from
                          > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                          > > > whenever I
                          > > > > > am
                          > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                          performed
                          > > > that
                          > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                          > don't
                          > > > want to
                          > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                          > spectacle
                          > > > may be.
                          > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                          > the
                          > > > Zeta -
                          > > > > > on
                          > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                          > those
                          > > > among us
                          > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                          > it.
                          > > > So my
                          > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                          > warning
                          > > in
                          > > > > > fact -
                          > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                          > cult-building
                          > > > > > activity
                          > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                          > > their
                          > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                          freedom
                          > to
                          > > > do
                          > > > > > that
                          > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                          > > > natural
                          > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                          > > > now
                          > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Warm regards,
                          > > > > > Regan
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > From: Ted
                          > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > > [11-08-08]
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                          > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                          > > > > > .
                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > From: masanga@
                          > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > > [11-08-08]
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                          > > > words of
                          > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                          who
                          > is
                          > > > > >> reported
                          > > > > >> to have said:
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                          > > > > >> fantasies
                          > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Regan
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                          ;
                          > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                          ;
                          > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                          ;
                          > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                          > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          [11-08-08]
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                          > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> written
                          > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                          > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                          > he
                          > > > did on
                          > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                          > out
                          > > > in his
                          > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                          the
                          > > new
                          > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                          > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                          shift?
                          > > The
                          > > > Zetas
                          > > > > >> have
                          > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                          I
                          > > > would
                          > > > > >> like
                          > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                          > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                          > X,
                          > > > and if
                          > > > > >> so
                          > > > > >> was
                          > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                          > > > Friday the
                          > > > > >> CNN
                          > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                          > > > "pause"
                          > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                          4th
                          > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                          > > declined
                          > > > to
                          > > > > >> comment.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                          > > consensus
                          > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                          > his
                          > > > heart
                          > > > > >> and
                          > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                          > > Obama
                          > > > looked
                          > > > > >> older
                          > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                          > the
                          > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                          > candidacy.
                          > > > Yet the
                          > > > > >> race
                          > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                          > > causing
                          > > > him
                          > > > > >> loss
                          > > > > >> of
                          > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                          not
                          > > > already
                          > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                          > world
                          > > > and
                          > > > > >> what
                          > > > > >> the
                          > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                          > also
                          > > > did not
                          > > > > >> learn
                          > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                          > > > company
                          > > > > >> crimes,
                          > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                          the
                          > > FBI
                          > > > and
                          > > > > >> the
                          > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                          > > > planetary
                          > > > > >> presence
                          > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                          He
                          > > had
                          > > > heard
                          > > > > >> the
                          > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                          > > relayed
                          > > > to
                          > > > > >> him
                          > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                          > > > confirmation.
                          > > > > >> Why would
                          > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                          > US
                          > > > > >> boundaries
                          > > > > >> are
                          > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                          > > cover-up,
                          > > > and
                          > > > > >> how
                          > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                          > > been
                          > > > > >> decided.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                          > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                          > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                          > options
                          > > > in the
                          > > > > >> future.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                          > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                          > beliefs?
                          > > He
                          > > > is
                          > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                          is
                          > > > Lincoln
                          > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                          > > > > >> figuratively?
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                          > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                          > > > recognize
                          > > > > >> early
                          > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                          > > case,
                          > > > he
                          > > > > >> was
                          > > > > >> a
                          > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                          > life
                          > > > > >> circumstances
                          > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                          > human
                          > > > body
                          > > > > >> and
                          > > > > >> mind
                          > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                          > > > conclusion
                          > > > > >> that
                          > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> The
                          > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Issue 104,
                          > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Election
                          > > > > >> Results
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> As predicted by
                          > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                          result,
                          > > > state by
                          > > > > >> state,
                          > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                          > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                          McCain
                          > > > ended up
                          > > > > >> in
                          > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                          > to
                          > > > the
                          > > > > >> actual
                          > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                          > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                          GOD
                          > is
                          > > > Not
                          > > > > >> MOCKED!
                          > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                          > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ------------------------------------
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