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  • masanga@talktalk.net
    Dear Nathaniel, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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      Dear Nathaniel,

      "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain
      number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
      wicked...."

      Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes of our
      lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone else
      in this respect.

      ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would win
      despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."

      So did a lot of other people predict it too and without needing any
      "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the "seemingly
      insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He seemed to
      have a clear run to me.

      ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."

      Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible about
      that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.

      "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and praises
      to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted
      him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected
      around the clock 24/7!!"

      You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
      meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really in
      defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
      Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up to
      the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
      supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a system
      of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where the
      people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become the
      all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
      Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken office
      yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit for
      becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.

      "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She is
      doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness for the
      wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."

      I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as I see
      it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be as you
      say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
      transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I think she
      is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is independent
      of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting the
      existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the anonymous
      "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on sheer
      blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of the
      terms.

      ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed and
      sconld...."

      What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or scold
      her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially and
      objectively.

      "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
      intransigence...."

      How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to compromise" and
      to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us to
      make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder what
      they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think she
      cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price. But
      then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.

      "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance of
      the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
      Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."

      Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or
      is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
      statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which she has
      now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which you
      posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she can
      turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into an
      alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or even
      appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence? It is
      nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing to pay
      before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too high for
      me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
      picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
      perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
      ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a lie the
      next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
      appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.

      Regards,
      Regan


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: nathaniel x vance
      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


      Dear Regan, Ted,
      President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
      certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
      greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
      barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
      him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
      afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
      and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
      victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
      24/7!!
      I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
      is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
      for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
      righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
      and sconld.
      We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
      intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
      re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
      less!
      Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
      >
      > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
      > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
      at
      > times.
      > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
      > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
      the
      > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
      And by
      > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
      >
      > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
      mae,
      > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
      would
      > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
      into
      > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
      and
      > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
      things.
      > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
      for
      > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
      friends.
      > Good to see you're back.
      > Later...
      > Ted
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: masanga@...
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > > Hi Ted,
      > >
      > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
      to get
      > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
      eventually
      > > got
      > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
      my
      > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
      and was
      > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
      forum
      > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
      of
      > > Barack
      > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
      them. The
      > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
      joy in
      > > the
      > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
      age has
      > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
      > > world-historic
      > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
      Why
      > > not? I found this puzzling.
      > >
      > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
      election
      > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
      politicians
      > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
      that
      > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
      constitutes
      > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
      the
      > > whole
      > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
      > > Lambremont
      > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
      remove
      > > the
      > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
      > > myself
      > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
      > >
      > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
      found no
      > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
      from
      > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
      whenever I
      > > am
      > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
      that
      > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
      want to
      > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
      may be.
      > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
      Zeta -
      > > on
      > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
      among us
      > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
      So my
      > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
      > > fact -
      > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
      > > activity
      > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
      > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
      do
      > > that
      > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
      natural
      > > consequences of doing it.
      > >
      > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
      now
      > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
      > >
      > > Warm regards,
      > > Regan
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Ted
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >
      > >
      > > So you're back with a vengeance
      > > Well I meant a quote.
      > > .
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: masanga@...
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >
      > >
      > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
      words of
      > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
      > >> reported
      > >> to have said:
      > >>
      > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
      > >> fantasies
      > >> into the pit of destruction."
      > >>
      > >> Regan
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > >> From: nathaniel x vance
      > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
      TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
      ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
      earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ZetaTalk:
      > >> GodlikeProduction Live
      > >>
      > >> written
      > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      > >>
      > >> Questioner: Obama
      > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
      did on
      > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
      in his
      > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
      > >> president, what does it mean for the
      > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
      Zetas
      > >> have
      > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
      would
      > >> like
      > >> to ask the Zetas if on
      > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
      and if
      > >> so
      > >> was
      > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
      Friday the
      > >> CNN
      > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
      "pause"
      > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
      to
      > >> comment.
      > >>
      > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
      > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
      heart
      > >> and
      > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
      looked
      > >> older
      > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
      Yet the
      > >> race
      > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
      him
      > >> loss
      > >> of
      > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
      already
      > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
      and
      > >> what
      > >> the
      > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
      did not
      > >> learn
      > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
      company
      > >> crimes,
      > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
      and
      > >> the
      > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
      planetary
      > >> presence
      > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
      heard
      > >> the
      > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
      to
      > >> him
      > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
      confirmation.
      > >> Why would
      > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
      > >> boundaries
      > >> are
      > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
      and
      > >> how
      > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
      > >> decided.
      > >>
      > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      > >>
      > >> Zeta response: This
      > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
      in the
      > >> future.
      > >>
      > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
      is
      > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
      Lincoln
      > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      > >> figuratively?
      > >>
      > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
      recognize
      > >> early
      > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
      he
      > >> was
      > >> a
      > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      > >> circumstances
      > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
      body
      > >> and
      > >> mind
      > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
      conclusion
      > >> that
      > >> they have a new soul within.
      > >>
      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      > >>
      > >> The
      > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
      > >>
      > >> Issue 104,
      > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
      > >>
      > >> Election
      > >> Results
      > >>
      > >> As predicted by
      > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
      state by
      > >> state,
      > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
      ended up
      > >> in
      > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
      the
      > >> actual
      > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      > >>
      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      > >>
      > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
      Not
      > >> MOCKED!
      > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      > >> http://zetaheaven.org
      > >
      > >
      > > ------------------------------------
    • nathaniel x vance
      Dear masanga, Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
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        Dear masanga,
        Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
        must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
        rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
        of some kind of powerful medication?
        I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
        not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
        on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
        shouldn't be floating around up in there.
        My sympathy.

        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
        >
        > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
        Like
        > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
        especially
        > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
        not
        > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
        he
        > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
        as the
        > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
        > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
        powerful
        > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
        able to
        > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
        perceives
        > them to be.
        >
        > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
        probably
        > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
        his
        > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
        man, I
        > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
        in
        > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
        > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
        of
        > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
        > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
        > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
        that
        > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
        > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
        saviour
        > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
        can
        > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
        >
        > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
        of the
        > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
        problem
        > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
        that is
        > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
        > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
        free-market
        > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
        intelligent
        > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
        collective
        > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
        >
        > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
        worshipping
        > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
        in
        > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
        > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
        > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
        underlie
        > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
        torture, for
        > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
        humanity
        > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
        Obama and
        > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
        identified
        > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
        >
        > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
        pole
        > shift too.
        >
        > Cheers Ted,
        > Regan
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Ted
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
        > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
        at
        > times.
        > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
        > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
        the
        > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
        And by
        > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
        >
        > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
        mae,
        > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
        would
        > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
        into
        > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
        and
        > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
        things.
        > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
        for
        > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
        friends.
        > Good to see you're back.
        > Later...
        > Ted
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: masanga@...
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > > Hi Ted,
        > >
        > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
        to get
        > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
        eventually
        > > got
        > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
        my
        > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
        and was
        > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
        forum
        > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
        of
        > > Barack
        > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
        them. The
        > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
        joy in
        > > the
        > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
        age has
        > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
        > > world-historic
        > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
        Why
        > > not? I found this puzzling.
        > >
        > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
        election
        > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
        politicians
        > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
        that
        > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
        constitutes
        > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
        the
        > > whole
        > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
        > > Lambremont
        > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
        remove
        > > the
        > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
        > > myself
        > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
        > >
        > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
        found no
        > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
        from
        > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
        whenever I
        > > am
        > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
        that
        > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
        want to
        > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
        may be.
        > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
        Zeta -
        > > on
        > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
        among us
        > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
        So my
        > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
        > > fact -
        > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
        > > activity
        > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
        > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
        do
        > > that
        > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
        natural
        > > consequences of doing it.
        > >
        > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
        now
        > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
        > >
        > > Warm regards,
        > > Regan
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: Ted
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > > So you're back with a vengeance
        > > Well I meant a quote.
        > > .
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: masanga@...
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
        words of
        > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
        > >> reported
        > >> to have said:
        > >>
        > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
        > >> fantasies
        > >> into the pit of destruction."
        > >>
        > >> Regan
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ----- Original Message -----
        > >> From: nathaniel x vance
        > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
        TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
        ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
        earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ZetaTalk:
        > >> GodlikeProduction Live
        > >>
        > >> written
        > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Obama
        > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
        did on
        > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
        in his
        > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
        > >> president, what does it mean for the
        > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
        Zetas
        > >> have
        > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
        would
        > >> like
        > >> to ask the Zetas if on
        > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
        and if
        > >> so
        > >> was
        > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
        Friday the
        > >> CNN
        > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
        "pause"
        > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
        to
        > >> comment.
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
        > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
        heart
        > >> and
        > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
        looked
        > >> older
        > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
        Yet the
        > >> race
        > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
        him
        > >> loss
        > >> of
        > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
        already
        > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
        and
        > >> what
        > >> the
        > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
        did not
        > >> learn
        > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
        company
        > >> crimes,
        > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
        and
        > >> the
        > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
        planetary
        > >> presence
        > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
        heard
        > >> the
        > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
        to
        > >> him
        > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
        confirmation.
        > >> Why would
        > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
        > >> boundaries
        > >> are
        > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
        and
        > >> how
        > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
        > >> decided.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: This
        > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
        in the
        > >> future.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
        is
        > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
        Lincoln
        > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > >> figuratively?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
        recognize
        > >> early
        > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
        he
        > >> was
        > >> a
        > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        > >> circumstances
        > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
        body
        > >> and
        > >> mind
        > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
        conclusion
        > >> that
        > >> they have a new soul within.
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        > >>
        > >> The
        > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
        > >>
        > >> Issue 104,
        > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
        > >>
        > >> Election
        > >> Results
        > >>
        > >> As predicted by
        > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
        state by
        > >> state,
        > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
        ended up
        > >> in
        > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
        the
        > >> actual
        > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        > >>
        > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
        Not
        > >> MOCKED!
        > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > >> http://zetaheaven.org
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
        >
      • nathaniel x vance
        Dear masanga, I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of seven.
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          Dear masanga,
          I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
          your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
          seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
          crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
          your answer be?
          Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
          someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
          you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
          UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
          to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
          his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
          would qualify.
          As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
          level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
          Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
          >
          > Dear Nathaniel,
          >
          > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          certain
          > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
          > wicked...."
          >
          > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
          of our
          > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
          else
          > in this respect.
          >
          > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
          win
          > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
          >
          > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
          needing any
          > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
          "seemingly
          > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
          seemed to
          > have a clear run to me.
          >
          > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
          >
          > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
          about
          > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
          >
          > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
          praises
          > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
          asssisted
          > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
          protected
          > around the clock 24/7!!"
          >
          > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
          > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
          in
          > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
          > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
          to
          > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
          > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
          system
          > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
          the
          > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
          the
          > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
          > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
          office
          > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
          for
          > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
          >
          > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
          She is
          > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
          for the
          > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
          >
          > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
          I see
          > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
          as you
          > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
          > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
          think she
          > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
          independent
          > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
          the
          > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
          anonymous
          > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
          sheer
          > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
          the
          > terms.
          >
          > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
          and
          > sconld...."
          >
          > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
          scold
          > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
          and
          > objectively.
          >
          > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
          morbid
          > intransigence...."
          >
          > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
          compromise" and
          > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
          to
          > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
          what
          > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
          she
          > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
          But
          > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
          >
          > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
          of
          > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
          > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
          >
          > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
          we? Or
          > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
          > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
          she has
          > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
          you
          > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
          can
          > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
          an
          > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
          even
          > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
          It is
          > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
          to pay
          > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
          high for
          > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
          > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
          > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
          > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
          lie the
          > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
          > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
          >
          > Regards,
          > Regan
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: nathaniel x vance
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > Dear Regan, Ted,
          > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
          > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
          > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
          > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
          > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
          > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
          this
          > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
          > 24/7!!
          > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
          > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
          consciousness
          > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
          > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
          > and sconld.
          > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
          > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
          or
          > less!
          > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
          >
          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
          > >
          > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
          bitch
          > at
          > > times.
          > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
          > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
          > the
          > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
          count.
          > And by
          > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
          > >
          > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
          FANNIE
          > mae,
          > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
          > would
          > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
          > into
          > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
          idea,
          > and
          > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
          > things.
          > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
          name
          > for
          > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
          > friends.
          > > Good to see you're back.
          > > Later...
          > > Ted
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: masanga@
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > > > Hi Ted,
          > > >
          > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
          > to get
          > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
          > eventually
          > > > got
          > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
          in
          > my
          > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
          > and was
          > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
          > forum
          > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
          > of
          > > > Barack
          > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
          > them. The
          > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
          > joy in
          > > > the
          > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
          > age has
          > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          > > > world-historic
          > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
          here.
          > Why
          > > > not? I found this puzzling.
          > > >
          > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
          > election
          > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
          > politicians
          > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
          > that
          > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
          > constitutes
          > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
          > the
          > > > whole
          > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          > > > Lambremont
          > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
          > remove
          > > > the
          > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
          anything
          > > > myself
          > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
          > > >
          > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
          > found no
          > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
          > from
          > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
          > whenever I
          > > > am
          > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
          > that
          > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
          > want to
          > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
          > may be.
          > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
          > Zeta -
          > > > on
          > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
          > among us
          > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
          > So my
          > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
          in
          > > > fact -
          > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
          > > > activity
          > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
          their
          > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
          > do
          > > > that
          > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
          > natural
          > > > consequences of doing it.
          > > >
          > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
          > now
          > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          > > >
          > > > Warm regards,
          > > > Regan
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: Ted
          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          [11-08-08]
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > So you're back with a vengeance
          > > > Well I meant a quote.
          > > > .
          > > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > > From: masanga@
          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
          [11-08-08]
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
          > words of
          > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
          > > >> reported
          > > >> to have said:
          > > >>
          > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          > > >> fantasies
          > > >> into the pit of destruction."
          > > >>
          > > >> Regan
          > > >>
          > > >>
          > > >> ----- Original Message -----
          > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
          > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
          > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
          > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
          > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > > >>
          > > >>
          > > >>
          > > >>
          > > >> ZetaTalk:
          > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
          > > >>
          > > >> written
          > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          > > >>
          > > >> Questioner: Obama
          > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
          > did on
          > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
          > in his
          > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
          new
          > > >> president, what does it mean for the
          > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
          The
          > Zetas
          > > >> have
          > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
          > would
          > > >> like
          > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
          > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
          > and if
          > > >> so
          > > >> was
          > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
          > Friday the
          > > >> CNN
          > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
          > "pause"
          > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
          declined
          > to
          > > >> comment.
          > > >>
          > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
          consensus
          > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
          > heart
          > > >> and
          > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
          Obama
          > looked
          > > >> older
          > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
          > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
          > Yet the
          > > >> race
          > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
          causing
          > him
          > > >> loss
          > > >> of
          > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
          > already
          > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
          > and
          > > >> what
          > > >> the
          > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
          > did not
          > > >> learn
          > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
          > company
          > > >> crimes,
          > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
          FBI
          > and
          > > >> the
          > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
          > planetary
          > > >> presence
          > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
          had
          > heard
          > > >> the
          > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
          relayed
          > to
          > > >> him
          > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
          > confirmation.
          > > >> Why would
          > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
          > > >> boundaries
          > > >> are
          > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
          cover-up,
          > and
          > > >> how
          > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
          been
          > > >> decided.
          > > >>
          > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          > > >>
          > > >> Zeta response: This
          > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
          > in the
          > > >> future.
          > > >>
          > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
          He
          > is
          > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
          > Lincoln
          > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          > > >> figuratively?
          > > >>
          > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
          > recognize
          > > >> early
          > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
          case,
          > he
          > > >> was
          > > >> a
          > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
          > > >> circumstances
          > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
          > body
          > > >> and
          > > >> mind
          > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
          > conclusion
          > > >> that
          > > >> they have a new soul within.
          > > >>
          > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          > > >>
          > > >> The
          > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          > > >>
          > > >> Issue 104,
          > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          > > >>
          > > >> Election
          > > >> Results
          > > >>
          > > >> As predicted by
          > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
          > state by
          > > >> state,
          > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
          > ended up
          > > >> in
          > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
          > the
          > > >> actual
          > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          > > >>
          > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          > > >>
          > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
          > Not
          > > >> MOCKED!
          > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > ------------------------------------
          >



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        • masanga@talktalk.net
          Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
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            Nathaniel,

            The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
            situation. You are evading the issue.

            Regan


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: nathaniel x vance
            To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
            Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            Dear masanga,
            Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
            must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
            rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
            of some kind of powerful medication?
            I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
            not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
            on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
            shouldn't be floating around up in there.
            My sympathy.

            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
            >
            > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
            Like
            > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
            especially
            > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
            not
            > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
            he
            > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
            as the
            > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
            > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
            powerful
            > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
            able to
            > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
            perceives
            > them to be.
            >
            > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
            probably
            > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
            his
            > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
            man, I
            > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
            in
            > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
            > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
            of
            > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
            > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
            > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
            that
            > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
            > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
            saviour
            > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
            can
            > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
            >
            > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
            of the
            > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
            problem
            > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
            that is
            > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
            > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
            free-market
            > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
            intelligent
            > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
            collective
            > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
            >
            > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
            worshipping
            > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
            in
            > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
            > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
            > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
            underlie
            > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
            torture, for
            > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
            humanity
            > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
            Obama and
            > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
            identified
            > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
            >
            > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
            pole
            > shift too.
            >
            > Cheers Ted,
            > Regan
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Ted
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
            at
            > times.
            > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
            > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
            the
            > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
            And by
            > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
            >
            > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
            mae,
            > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
            would
            > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
            into
            > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
            and
            > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
            things.
            > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
            for
            > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
            friends.
            > Good to see you're back.
            > Later...
            > Ted
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: masanga@...
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > > Hi Ted,
            > >
            > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
            to get
            > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
            eventually
            > > got
            > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
            my
            > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
            and was
            > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
            forum
            > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
            of
            > > Barack
            > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
            them. The
            > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
            joy in
            > > the
            > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
            age has
            > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            > > world-historic
            > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
            Why
            > > not? I found this puzzling.
            > >
            > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
            election
            > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
            politicians
            > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
            that
            > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
            constitutes
            > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
            the
            > > whole
            > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            > > Lambremont
            > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
            remove
            > > the
            > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
            > > myself
            > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
            > >
            > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
            found no
            > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
            from
            > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
            whenever I
            > > am
            > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
            that
            > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
            want to
            > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
            may be.
            > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
            Zeta -
            > > on
            > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
            among us
            > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
            So my
            > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
            > > fact -
            > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
            > > activity
            > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
            > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
            do
            > > that
            > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
            natural
            > > consequences of doing it.
            > >
            > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
            now
            > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            > >
            > > Warm regards,
            > > Regan
            > >
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: Ted
            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >
            > >
            > > So you're back with a vengeance
            > > Well I meant a quote.
            > > .
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: masanga@...
            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >
            > >
            > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
            words of
            > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
            > >> reported
            > >> to have said:
            > >>
            > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            > >> fantasies
            > >> into the pit of destruction."
            > >>
            > >> Regan
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> ----- Original Message -----
            > >> From: nathaniel x vance
            > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
            TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
            ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
            earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> ZetaTalk:
            > >> GodlikeProduction Live
            > >>
            > >> written
            > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            > >>
            > >> Questioner: Obama
            > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
            did on
            > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
            in his
            > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
            > >> president, what does it mean for the
            > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
            Zetas
            > >> have
            > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
            would
            > >> like
            > >> to ask the Zetas if on
            > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
            and if
            > >> so
            > >> was
            > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
            Friday the
            > >> CNN
            > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
            "pause"
            > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
            to
            > >> comment.
            > >>
            > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
            > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
            heart
            > >> and
            > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
            looked
            > >> older
            > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
            > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
            Yet the
            > >> race
            > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
            him
            > >> loss
            > >> of
            > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
            already
            > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
            and
            > >> what
            > >> the
            > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
            did not
            > >> learn
            > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
            company
            > >> crimes,
            > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
            and
            > >> the
            > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
            planetary
            > >> presence
            > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
            heard
            > >> the
            > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
            to
            > >> him
            > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
            confirmation.
            > >> Why would
            > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
            > >> boundaries
            > >> are
            > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
            and
            > >> how
            > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
            > >> decided.
            > >>
            > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            > >>
            > >> Zeta response: This
            > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
            in the
            > >> future.
            > >>
            > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
            is
            > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
            Lincoln
            > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            > >> figuratively?
            > >>
            > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
            recognize
            > >> early
            > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
            he
            > >> was
            > >> a
            > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
            > >> circumstances
            > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
            body
            > >> and
            > >> mind
            > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
            conclusion
            > >> that
            > >> they have a new soul within.
            > >>
            > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            > >>
            > >> The
            > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            > >>
            > >> Issue 104,
            > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            > >>
            > >> Election
            > >> Results
            > >>
            > >> As predicted by
            > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
            state by
            > >> state,
            > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
            ended up
            > >> in
            > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
            the
            > >> actual
            > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            > >>
            > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            > >>
            > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
            Not
            > >> MOCKED!
            > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            > >> http://zetaheaven.org
            > >
            > >
            > > ------------------------------------
          • masanga@talktalk.net
            Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
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              Nathaniel,

              I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
              mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
              compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
              extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
              unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
              and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
              they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
              automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
              that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
              Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
              come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
              this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
              and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
              confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
              to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
              down to absolute zero in time.

              I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
              from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
              want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
              first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
              that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

              Sincerely,
              Regan (masanga)


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: nathaniel x vance
              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              Dear masanga,
              I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
              your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
              seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
              crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
              your answer be?
              Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
              someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
              you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
              UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
              to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
              his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
              would qualify.
              As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
              level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
              Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
              >
              > Dear Nathaniel,
              >
              > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              certain
              > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
              > wicked...."
              >
              > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
              of our
              > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
              else
              > in this respect.
              >
              > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
              win
              > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
              >
              > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
              needing any
              > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
              "seemingly
              > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
              seemed to
              > have a clear run to me.
              >
              > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
              >
              > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
              about
              > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
              >
              > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
              praises
              > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
              asssisted
              > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
              protected
              > around the clock 24/7!!"
              >
              > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
              > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
              in
              > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
              > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
              to
              > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
              > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
              system
              > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
              the
              > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
              the
              > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
              > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
              office
              > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
              for
              > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
              >
              > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              She is
              > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
              for the
              > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
              >
              > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
              I see
              > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
              as you
              > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
              > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
              think she
              > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
              independent
              > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
              the
              > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
              anonymous
              > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
              sheer
              > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
              the
              > terms.
              >
              > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              and
              > sconld...."
              >
              > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
              scold
              > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
              and
              > objectively.
              >
              > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
              morbid
              > intransigence...."
              >
              > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
              compromise" and
              > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
              to
              > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
              what
              > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
              she
              > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
              But
              > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
              >
              > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
              of
              > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
              > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
              >
              > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
              we? Or
              > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
              > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
              she has
              > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
              you
              > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
              can
              > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
              an
              > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
              even
              > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
              It is
              > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
              to pay
              > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
              high for
              > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
              > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
              > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
              > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
              lie the
              > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
              > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
              >
              > Regards,
              > Regan
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: nathaniel x vance
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > Dear Regan, Ted,
              > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
              > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
              > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
              > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
              > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
              > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
              this
              > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
              > 24/7!!
              > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
              > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
              consciousness
              > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
              > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              > and sconld.
              > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
              or
              > less!
              > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
              >
              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
              > >
              > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
              bitch
              > at
              > > times.
              > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
              > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
              > the
              > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
              count.
              > And by
              > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              > >
              > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
              FANNIE
              > mae,
              > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              > would
              > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
              > into
              > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
              idea,
              > and
              > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              > things.
              > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
              name
              > for
              > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              > friends.
              > > Good to see you're back.
              > > Later...
              > > Ted
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: masanga@
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > > > Hi Ted,
              > > >
              > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              > to get
              > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              > eventually
              > > > got
              > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
              in
              > my
              > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
              > and was
              > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              > forum
              > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
              > of
              > > > Barack
              > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              > them. The
              > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
              > joy in
              > > > the
              > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
              > age has
              > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              > > > world-historic
              > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
              here.
              > Why
              > > > not? I found this puzzling.
              > > >
              > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              > election
              > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              > politicians
              > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
              > that
              > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              > constitutes
              > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              > the
              > > > whole
              > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              > > > Lambremont
              > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
              > remove
              > > > the
              > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
              anything
              > > > myself
              > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
              > > >
              > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              > found no
              > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
              > from
              > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              > whenever I
              > > > am
              > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              > that
              > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
              > want to
              > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
              > may be.
              > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
              > Zeta -
              > > > on
              > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
              > among us
              > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
              > So my
              > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
              in
              > > > fact -
              > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
              > > > activity
              > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
              their
              > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
              > do
              > > > that
              > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              > natural
              > > > consequences of doing it.
              > > >
              > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              > now
              > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              > > >
              > > > Warm regards,
              > > > Regan
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: Ted
              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              [11-08-08]
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > So you're back with a vengeance
              > > > Well I meant a quote.
              > > > .
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: masanga@
              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              [11-08-08]
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              > words of
              > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
              > > >> reported
              > > >> to have said:
              > > >>
              > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              > > >> fantasies
              > > >> into the pit of destruction."
              > > >>
              > > >> Regan
              > > >>
              > > >>
              > > >> ----- Original Message -----
              > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > > >>
              > > >>
              > > >>
              > > >>
              > > >> ZetaTalk:
              > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              > > >>
              > > >> written
              > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              > > >>
              > > >> Questioner: Obama
              > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
              > did on
              > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
              > in his
              > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
              new
              > > >> president, what does it mean for the
              > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
              The
              > Zetas
              > > >> have
              > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              > would
              > > >> like
              > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
              > and if
              > > >> so
              > > >> was
              > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              > Friday the
              > > >> CNN
              > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              > "pause"
              > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
              declined
              > to
              > > >> comment.
              > > >>
              > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
              consensus
              > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
              > heart
              > > >> and
              > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
              Obama
              > looked
              > > >> older
              > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
              > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
              > Yet the
              > > >> race
              > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
              causing
              > him
              > > >> loss
              > > >> of
              > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              > already
              > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
              > and
              > > >> what
              > > >> the
              > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
              > did not
              > > >> learn
              > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              > company
              > > >> crimes,
              > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
              FBI
              > and
              > > >> the
              > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              > planetary
              > > >> presence
              > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
              had
              > heard
              > > >> the
              > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
              relayed
              > to
              > > >> him
              > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              > confirmation.
              > > >> Why would
              > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
              > > >> boundaries
              > > >> are
              > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
              cover-up,
              > and
              > > >> how
              > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
              been
              > > >> decided.
              > > >>
              > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              > > >>
              > > >> Zeta response: This
              > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
              > in the
              > > >> future.
              > > >>
              > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
              He
              > is
              > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              > Lincoln
              > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              > > >> figuratively?
              > > >>
              > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              > recognize
              > > >> early
              > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
              case,
              > he
              > > >> was
              > > >> a
              > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
              > > >> circumstances
              > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
              > body
              > > >> and
              > > >> mind
              > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              > conclusion
              > > >> that
              > > >> they have a new soul within.
              > > >>
              > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              > > >>
              > > >> The
              > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              > > >>
              > > >> Issue 104,
              > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              > > >>
              > > >> Election
              > > >> Results
              > > >>
              > > >> As predicted by
              > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              > state by
              > > >> state,
              > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              > ended up
              > > >> in
              > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
              > the
              > > >> actual
              > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              > > >>
              > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              > > >>
              > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
              > Not
              > > >> MOCKED!
              > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ------------------------------------
            • nathaniel x vance
              masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
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                masanga,
                Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                At any rate, I wish you well.

                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                >
                > Nathaniel,
                >
                > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                that my
                > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                great
                > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                knowledge,
                > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                desires,
                > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                as
                > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                said
                > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                And
                > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                children to
                > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                for
                > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                long
                > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                encouragement
                > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                mental age
                > down to absolute zero in time.
                >
                > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                break
                > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                don't
                > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                in the
                > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                suggest
                > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                >
                > Sincerely,
                > Regan (masanga)
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: nathaniel x vance
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > Dear masanga,
                > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                would
                > your answer be?
                > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                Can
                > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                a
                > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                Obama,
                > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                earth
                > would qualify.
                > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                >
                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                > >
                > > Dear Nathaniel,
                > >
                > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                > certain
                > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                > > wicked...."
                > >
                > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                > of our
                > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                anyone
                > else
                > > in this respect.
                > >
                > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                would
                > win
                > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                > >
                > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                > needing any
                > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                > "seemingly
                > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                > seemed to
                > > have a clear run to me.
                > >
                > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                > >
                > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                > about
                > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                > >
                > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                > praises
                > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                > asssisted
                > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                > protected
                > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                > >
                > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                > in
                > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                up
                > to
                > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                is
                > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                > system
                > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                where
                > the
                > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                > the
                > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                "Emperor").
                > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                > office
                > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                > for
                > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                > >
                > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                > She is
                > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                > for the
                > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                > >
                > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                > I see
                > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                > as you
                > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                > think she
                > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                > independent
                > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                > the
                > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                > anonymous
                > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                > sheer
                > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                > the
                > > terms.
                > >
                > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                > and
                > > sconld...."
                > >
                > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                > scold
                > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                > and
                > > objectively.
                > >
                > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                > morbid
                > > intransigence...."
                > >
                > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                > compromise" and
                > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                us
                > to
                > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                > what
                > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                > she
                > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                price.
                > But
                > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                > >
                > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                re-appearance
                > of
                > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                arguments."
                > >
                > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                > we? Or
                > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                > she has
                > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                which
                > you
                > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                > can
                > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                > an
                > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                > even
                > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                > It is
                > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                > to pay
                > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                > high for
                > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                own
                > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                > lie the
                > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                > >
                > > Regards,
                > > Regan
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: nathaniel x vance
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                the
                > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                be
                > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                team
                > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                > this
                > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                clock
                > > 24/7!!
                > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                She
                > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                > consciousness
                > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                rediculed
                > > and sconld.
                > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                > or
                > > less!
                > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                arguments.
                > >
                > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                > > >
                > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                > bitch
                > > at
                > > > times.
                > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                me.
                > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                slightest,
                > > the
                > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                > count.
                > > And by
                > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                > > >
                > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                > FANNIE
                > > mae,
                > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                > > would
                > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                money
                > > into
                > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                > idea,
                > > and
                > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                > > things.
                > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                > name
                > > for
                > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                > > friends.
                > > > Good to see you're back.
                > > > Later...
                > > > Ted
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: masanga@
                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                [11-08-08]
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > > Hi Ted,
                > > > >
                > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                > > to get
                > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                > > eventually
                > > > > got
                > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                me
                > in
                > > my
                > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                days
                > > and was
                > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                > > forum
                > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                election
                > > of
                > > > > Barack
                > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                > > them. The
                > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                of
                > > joy in
                > > > > the
                > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                new
                > > age has
                > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                > > > > world-historic
                > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                > here.
                > > Why
                > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                > > > >
                > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                > > election
                > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                > > politicians
                > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                view
                > > that
                > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                > > constitutes
                > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                > > the
                > > > > whole
                > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                > > > > Lambremont
                > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                to
                > > remove
                > > > > the
                > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                > anything
                > > > > myself
                > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                either.
                > > > >
                > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                > > found no
                > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                myself
                > > from
                > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                > > whenever I
                > > > > am
                > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                > > that
                > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                don't
                > > want to
                > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                spectacle
                > > may be.
                > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                the
                > > Zeta -
                > > > > on
                > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                those
                > > among us
                > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                it.
                > > So my
                > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                warning
                > in
                > > > > fact -
                > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                cult-building
                > > > > activity
                > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                > their
                > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                to
                > > do
                > > > > that
                > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                > > natural
                > > > > consequences of doing it.
                > > > >
                > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                > > now
                > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                > > > >
                > > > > Warm regards,
                > > > > Regan
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > From: Ted
                > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                > [11-08-08]
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                > > > > .
                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > > From: masanga@
                > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                > [11-08-08]
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                > > words of
                > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                is
                > > > >> reported
                > > > >> to have said:
                > > > >>
                > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                > > > >> fantasies
                > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                > > > >>
                > > > >> Regan
                > > > >>
                > > > >>
                > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > > > >>
                > > > >>
                > > > >>
                > > > >>
                > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                > > > >>
                > > > >> written
                > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                > > > >>
                > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                he
                > > did on
                > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                out
                > > in his
                > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                > new
                > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                > The
                > > Zetas
                > > > >> have
                > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                > > would
                > > > >> like
                > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                X,
                > > and if
                > > > >> so
                > > > >> was
                > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                > > Friday the
                > > > >> CNN
                > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                > > "pause"
                > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                > declined
                > > to
                > > > >> comment.
                > > > >>
                > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                > consensus
                > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                his
                > > heart
                > > > >> and
                > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                > Obama
                > > looked
                > > > >> older
                > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                the
                > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                candidacy.
                > > Yet the
                > > > >> race
                > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                > causing
                > > him
                > > > >> loss
                > > > >> of
                > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                > > already
                > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                world
                > > and
                > > > >> what
                > > > >> the
                > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                also
                > > did not
                > > > >> learn
                > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                > > company
                > > > >> crimes,
                > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                > FBI
                > > and
                > > > >> the
                > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                > > planetary
                > > > >> presence
                > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                > had
                > > heard
                > > > >> the
                > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                > relayed
                > > to
                > > > >> him
                > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                > > confirmation.
                > > > >> Why would
                > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                US
                > > > >> boundaries
                > > > >> are
                > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                > cover-up,
                > > and
                > > > >> how
                > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                > been
                > > > >> decided.
                > > > >>
                > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                > > > >>
                > > > >> Zeta response: This
                > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                options
                > > in the
                > > > >> future.
                > > > >>
                > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                beliefs?
                > He
                > > is
                > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                > > Lincoln
                > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                > > > >> figuratively?
                > > > >>
                > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                > > recognize
                > > > >> early
                > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                > case,
                > > he
                > > > >> was
                > > > >> a
                > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                life
                > > > >> circumstances
                > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                human
                > > body
                > > > >> and
                > > > >> mind
                > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                > > conclusion
                > > > >> that
                > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                > > > >>
                > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                > > > >>
                > > > >> The
                > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                > > > >>
                > > > >> Issue 104,
                > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                > > > >>
                > > > >> Election
                > > > >> Results
                > > > >>
                > > > >> As predicted by
                > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                > > state by
                > > > >> state,
                > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                > > ended up
                > > > >> in
                > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                to
                > > the
                > > > >> actual
                > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                > > > >>
                > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                > > > >>
                > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                is
                > > Not
                > > > >> MOCKED!
                > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                > > > >
                > > > >
                > > > > ------------------------------------
                >
              • masanga@talktalk.net
                Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
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                  Nathaniel,

                  Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

                  You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                  Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
                  me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                  whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                  multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                  must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                  only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

                  Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                  commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                  acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                  view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
                  can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

                  But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                  know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
                  it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
                  me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                  business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                  commission without concerning myself with his too.

                  Regan (masanga)


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: nathaniel x vance
                  To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                  Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                  masanga,
                  Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                  what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                  masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                  you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                  At any rate, I wish you well.

                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Nathaniel,
                  >
                  > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                  that my
                  > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                  great
                  > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                  > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                  knowledge,
                  > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                  desires,
                  > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                  as
                  > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                  > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                  said
                  > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                  And
                  > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                  children to
                  > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                  for
                  > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                  long
                  > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                  > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                  encouragement
                  > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                  mental age
                  > down to absolute zero in time.
                  >
                  > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                  break
                  > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                  don't
                  > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                  in the
                  > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                  suggest
                  > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                  >
                  > Sincerely,
                  > Regan (masanga)
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > Dear masanga,
                  > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                  > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                  > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                  > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                  would
                  > your answer be?
                  > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                  > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                  Can
                  > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                  a
                  > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                  > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                  Obama,
                  > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                  earth
                  > would qualify.
                  > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                  > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                  > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                  >
                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Dear Nathaniel,
                  > >
                  > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  > certain
                  > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                  > > wicked...."
                  > >
                  > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                  > of our
                  > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                  anyone
                  > else
                  > > in this respect.
                  > >
                  > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                  would
                  > win
                  > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                  > >
                  > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                  > needing any
                  > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                  > "seemingly
                  > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                  > seemed to
                  > > have a clear run to me.
                  > >
                  > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                  > >
                  > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                  > about
                  > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                  > >
                  > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                  > praises
                  > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                  > asssisted
                  > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                  > protected
                  > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                  > >
                  > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                  > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                  > in
                  > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                  > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                  up
                  > to
                  > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                  is
                  > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                  > system
                  > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                  where
                  > the
                  > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                  > the
                  > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                  "Emperor").
                  > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                  > office
                  > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                  > for
                  > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                  > >
                  > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  > She is
                  > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                  > for the
                  > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                  > >
                  > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                  > I see
                  > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                  > as you
                  > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                  > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                  > think she
                  > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                  > independent
                  > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                  > the
                  > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                  > anonymous
                  > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                  > sheer
                  > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                  > the
                  > > terms.
                  > >
                  > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                  > and
                  > > sconld...."
                  > >
                  > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                  > scold
                  > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                  > and
                  > > objectively.
                  > >
                  > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  > morbid
                  > > intransigence...."
                  > >
                  > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                  > compromise" and
                  > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                  us
                  > to
                  > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                  > what
                  > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                  > she
                  > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                  price.
                  > But
                  > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                  > >
                  > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  re-appearance
                  > of
                  > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                  > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  arguments."
                  > >
                  > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                  > we? Or
                  > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                  > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                  > she has
                  > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                  which
                  > you
                  > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                  > can
                  > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                  > an
                  > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                  > even
                  > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                  > It is
                  > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                  > to pay
                  > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                  > high for
                  > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                  > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                  own
                  > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                  > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                  > lie the
                  > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                  > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                  > >
                  > > Regards,
                  > > Regan
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                  > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                  > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                  the
                  > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                  > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                  > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                  be
                  > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                  team
                  > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                  > this
                  > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                  clock
                  > > 24/7!!
                  > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  She
                  > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  > consciousness
                  > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                  rediculed
                  > > and sconld.
                  > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                  > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                  > or
                  > > less!
                  > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  arguments.
                  > >
                  > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                  > bitch
                  > > at
                  > > > times.
                  > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                  me.
                  > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                  slightest,
                  > > the
                  > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                  > count.
                  > > And by
                  > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  > > >
                  > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                  > FANNIE
                  > > mae,
                  > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                  > > would
                  > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                  money
                  > > into
                  > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                  > idea,
                  > > and
                  > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                  > > things.
                  > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                  > name
                  > > for
                  > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  > > friends.
                  > > > Good to see you're back.
                  > > > Later...
                  > > > Ted
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: masanga@
                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > Hi Ted,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  > > to get
                  > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  > > eventually
                  > > > > got
                  > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                  me
                  > in
                  > > my
                  > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                  days
                  > > and was
                  > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                  > > forum
                  > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                  election
                  > > of
                  > > > > Barack
                  > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                  > > them. The
                  > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                  of
                  > > joy in
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                  new
                  > > age has
                  > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  > > > > world-historic
                  > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                  > here.
                  > > Why
                  > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  > > election
                  > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  > > politicians
                  > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                  view
                  > > that
                  > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  > > constitutes
                  > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                  > > the
                  > > > > whole
                  > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  > > > > Lambremont
                  > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                  to
                  > > remove
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                  > anything
                  > > > > myself
                  > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                  either.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  > > found no
                  > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                  myself
                  > > from
                  > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  > > whenever I
                  > > > > am
                  > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                  > > that
                  > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                  don't
                  > > want to
                  > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                  spectacle
                  > > may be.
                  > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                  the
                  > > Zeta -
                  > > > > on
                  > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                  those
                  > > among us
                  > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                  it.
                  > > So my
                  > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                  warning
                  > in
                  > > > > fact -
                  > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                  cult-building
                  > > > > activity
                  > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                  > their
                  > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                  to
                  > > do
                  > > > > that
                  > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  > > natural
                  > > > > consequences of doing it.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  > > now
                  > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Warm regards,
                  > > > > Regan
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: Ted
                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > [11-08-08]
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                  > > > > .
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: masanga@
                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > [11-08-08]
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  > > words of
                  > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                  is
                  > > > >> reported
                  > > > >> to have said:
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  > > > >> fantasies
                  > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Regan
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                  > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> written
                  > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                  > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                  he
                  > > did on
                  > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                  out
                  > > in his
                  > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                  > new
                  > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                  > The
                  > > Zetas
                  > > > >> have
                  > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                  > > would
                  > > > >> like
                  > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                  X,
                  > > and if
                  > > > >> so
                  > > > >> was
                  > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                  > > Friday the
                  > > > >> CNN
                  > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  > > "pause"
                  > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                  > declined
                  > > to
                  > > > >> comment.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                  > consensus
                  > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                  his
                  > > heart
                  > > > >> and
                  > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                  > Obama
                  > > looked
                  > > > >> older
                  > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                  the
                  > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                  candidacy.
                  > > Yet the
                  > > > >> race
                  > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                  > causing
                  > > him
                  > > > >> loss
                  > > > >> of
                  > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                  > > already
                  > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                  world
                  > > and
                  > > > >> what
                  > > > >> the
                  > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                  also
                  > > did not
                  > > > >> learn
                  > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                  > > company
                  > > > >> crimes,
                  > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                  > FBI
                  > > and
                  > > > >> the
                  > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  > > planetary
                  > > > >> presence
                  > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                  > had
                  > > heard
                  > > > >> the
                  > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                  > relayed
                  > > to
                  > > > >> him
                  > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  > > confirmation.
                  > > > >> Why would
                  > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                  US
                  > > > >> boundaries
                  > > > >> are
                  > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                  > cover-up,
                  > > and
                  > > > >> how
                  > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                  > been
                  > > > >> decided.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Zeta response: This
                  > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                  options
                  > > in the
                  > > > >> future.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                  beliefs?
                  > He
                  > > is
                  > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                  > > Lincoln
                  > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  > > > >> figuratively?
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  > > recognize
                  > > > >> early
                  > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                  > case,
                  > > he
                  > > > >> was
                  > > > >> a
                  > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                  life
                  > > > >> circumstances
                  > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                  human
                  > > body
                  > > > >> and
                  > > > >> mind
                  > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  > > conclusion
                  > > > >> that
                  > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> The
                  > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Issue 104,
                  > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Election
                  > > > >> Results
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> As predicted by
                  > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                  > > state by
                  > > > >> state,
                  > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                  > > ended up
                  > > > >> in
                  > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                  to
                  > > the
                  > > > >> actual
                  > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                  is
                  > > Not
                  > > > >> MOCKED!
                  > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ------------------------------------
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                    You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                    head
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: <masanga@...>
                    To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                    > Nathaniel,
                    >
                    > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                    >
                    > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                    > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                    > of
                    > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                    > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                    > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                    > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                    > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                    >
                    > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                    > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                    > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                    > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                    > he
                    > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                    >
                    > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                    > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                    > date
                    > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                    > to
                    > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                    > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                    > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                    >
                    > Regan (masanga)
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > masanga,
                    > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                    > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                    > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                    > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                    > At any rate, I wish you well.
                    >
                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                    >>
                    >> Nathaniel,
                    >>
                    >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                    > that my
                    >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                    > great
                    >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                    >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                    > knowledge,
                    >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                    > desires,
                    >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                    > as
                    >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                    >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                    > said
                    >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                    > And
                    >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                    > children to
                    >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                    > for
                    >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                    > long
                    >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                    >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                    > encouragement
                    >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                    > mental age
                    >> down to absolute zero in time.
                    >>
                    >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                    > break
                    >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                    > don't
                    >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                    > in the
                    >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                    > suggest
                    >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                    >>
                    >> Sincerely,
                    >> Regan (masanga)
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                    >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> Dear masanga,
                    >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                    >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                    >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                    >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                    > would
                    >> your answer be?
                    >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                    >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                    > Can
                    >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                    > a
                    >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                    >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                    > Obama,
                    >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                    > earth
                    >> would qualify.
                    >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                    >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                    >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                    >>
                    >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    >> >
                    >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                    >> >
                    >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    >> certain
                    >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                    >> > wicked...."
                    >> >
                    >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                    >> of our
                    >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                    > anyone
                    >> else
                    >> > in this respect.
                    >> >
                    >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                    > would
                    >> win
                    >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                    >> >
                    >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                    >> needing any
                    >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                    >> "seemingly
                    >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                    >> seemed to
                    >> > have a clear run to me.
                    >> >
                    >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                    >> >
                    >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                    >> about
                    >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                    >> >
                    >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                    >> praises
                    >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                    >> asssisted
                    >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                    >> protected
                    >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                    >> >
                    >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                    >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                    >> in
                    >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                    >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                    > up
                    >> to
                    >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                    > is
                    >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                    >> system
                    >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                    > where
                    >> the
                    >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                    >> the
                    >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                    > "Emperor").
                    >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                    >> office
                    >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                    >> for
                    >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                    >> >
                    >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    >> She is
                    >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                    >> for the
                    >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                    >> >
                    >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                    >> I see
                    >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                    >> as you
                    >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                    >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                    >> think she
                    >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                    >> independent
                    >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                    >> the
                    >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                    >> anonymous
                    >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                    >> sheer
                    >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                    >> the
                    >> > terms.
                    >> >
                    >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                    >> and
                    >> > sconld...."
                    >> >
                    >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                    >> scold
                    >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                    >> and
                    >> > objectively.
                    >> >
                    >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    >> morbid
                    >> > intransigence...."
                    >> >
                    >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                    >> compromise" and
                    >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                    > us
                    >> to
                    >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                    >> what
                    >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                    >> she
                    >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                    > price.
                    >> But
                    >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                    >> >
                    >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > re-appearance
                    >> of
                    >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                    >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    > arguments."
                    >> >
                    >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                    >> we? Or
                    >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                    >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                    >> she has
                    >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                    > which
                    >> you
                    >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                    >> can
                    >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                    >> an
                    >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                    >> even
                    >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                    >> It is
                    >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                    >> to pay
                    >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                    >> high for
                    >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                    >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                    > own
                    >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                    >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                    >> lie the
                    >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                    >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                    >> >
                    >> > Regards,
                    >> > Regan
                    >> >
                    >> >
                    >> > ----- Original Message -----
                    >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                    >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                    >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >> >
                    >> >
                    >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                    >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                    > the
                    >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                    >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                    >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                    > be
                    >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                    > team
                    >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                    >> this
                    >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                    > clock
                    >> > 24/7!!
                    >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    > She
                    >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    >> consciousness
                    >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    > rediculed
                    >> > and sconld.
                    >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                    >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                    >> or
                    >> > less!
                    >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    > arguments.
                    >> >
                    >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                    >> > >
                    >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                    >> bitch
                    >> > at
                    >> > > times.
                    >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                    > me.
                    >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                    > slightest,
                    >> > the
                    >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                    >> count.
                    >> > And by
                    >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    >> > >
                    >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                    >> FANNIE
                    >> > mae,
                    >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                    >> > would
                    >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                    > money
                    >> > into
                    >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                    >> idea,
                    >> > and
                    >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                    >> > things.
                    >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                    >> name
                    >> > for
                    >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    >> > friends.
                    >> > > Good to see you're back.
                    >> > > Later...
                    >> > > Ted
                    >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                    >> > > From: masanga@
                    >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > [11-08-08]
                    >> > >
                    >> > >
                    >> > > > Hi Ted,
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    >> > to get
                    >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    >> > eventually
                    >> > > > got
                    >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                    > me
                    >> in
                    >> > my
                    >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                    > days
                    >> > and was
                    >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                    >> > forum
                    >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                    > election
                    >> > of
                    >> > > > Barack
                    >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                    >> > them. The
                    >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                    > of
                    >> > joy in
                    >> > > > the
                    >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                    > new
                    >> > age has
                    >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    >> > > > world-historic
                    >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                    >> here.
                    >> > Why
                    >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    >> > election
                    >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    >> > politicians
                    >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                    > view
                    >> > that
                    >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    >> > constitutes
                    >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                    >> > the
                    >> > > > whole
                    >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                    >> > > > Lambremont
                    >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                    > to
                    >> > remove
                    >> > > > the
                    >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                    >> anything
                    >> > > > myself
                    >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                    > either.
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    >> > found no
                    >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                    > myself
                    >> > from
                    >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    >> > whenever I
                    >> > > > am
                    >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                    >> > that
                    >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                    > don't
                    >> > want to
                    >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                    > spectacle
                    >> > may be.
                    >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                    > the
                    >> > Zeta -
                    >> > > > on
                    >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                    > those
                    >> > among us
                    >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                    > it.
                    >> > So my
                    >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                    > warning
                    >> in
                    >> > > > fact -
                    >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                    > cult-building
                    >> > > > activity
                    >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                    >> their
                    >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                    > to
                    >> > do
                    >> > > > that
                    >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    >> > natural
                    >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    >> > now
                    >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > > Warm regards,
                    >> > > > Regan
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    >> > > > From: Ted
                    >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    >> [11-08-08]
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                    >> > > > .
                    >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    >> > > > From: masanga@
                    >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    >> [11-08-08]
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    >> > words of
                    >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                    > is
                    >> > > >> reported
                    >> > > >> to have said:
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    >> > > >> fantasies
                    >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> Regan
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                    >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> written
                    >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                    >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                    > he
                    >> > did on
                    >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                    > out
                    >> > in his
                    >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                    >> new
                    >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                    >> The
                    >> > Zetas
                    >> > > >> have
                    >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                    >> > would
                    >> > > >> like
                    >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                    > X,
                    >> > and if
                    >> > > >> so
                    >> > > >> was
                    >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                    >> > Friday the
                    >> > > >> CNN
                    >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    >> > "pause"
                    >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                    >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                    >> declined
                    >> > to
                    >> > > >> comment.
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                    >> consensus
                    >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                    > his
                    >> > heart
                    >> > > >> and
                    >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                    >> Obama
                    >> > looked
                    >> > > >> older
                    >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                    > the
                    >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                    > candidacy.
                    >> > Yet the
                    >> > > >> race
                    >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                    >> causing
                    >> > him
                    >> > > >> loss
                    >> > > >> of
                    >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                    >> > already
                    >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                    > world
                    >> > and
                    >> > > >> what
                    >> > > >> the
                    >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                    > also
                    >> > did not
                    >> > > >> learn
                    >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                    >> > company
                    >> > > >> crimes,
                    >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                    >> FBI
                    >> > and
                    >> > > >> the
                    >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    >> > planetary
                    >> > > >> presence
                    >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                    >> had
                    >> > heard
                    >> > > >> the
                    >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                    >> relayed
                    >> > to
                    >> > > >> him
                    >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    >> > confirmation.
                    >> > > >> Why would
                    >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                    > US
                    >> > > >> boundaries
                    >> > > >> are
                    >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                    >> cover-up,
                    >> > and
                    >> > > >> how
                    >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                    >> been
                    >> > > >> decided.
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                    >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                    > options
                    >> > in the
                    >> > > >> future.
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                    > beliefs?
                    >> He
                    >> > is
                    >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                    >> > Lincoln
                    >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    >> > > >> figuratively?
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    >> > recognize
                    >> > > >> early
                    >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                    >> case,
                    >> > he
                    >> > > >> was
                    >> > > >> a
                    >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                    > life
                    >> > > >> circumstances
                    >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                    > human
                    >> > body
                    >> > > >> and
                    >> > > >> mind
                    >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    >> > conclusion
                    >> > > >> that
                    >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> The
                    >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> Issue 104,
                    >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> Election
                    >> > > >> Results
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> As predicted by
                    >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                    >> > state by
                    >> > > >> state,
                    >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                    >> > ended up
                    >> > > >> in
                    >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                    > to
                    >> > the
                    >> > > >> actual
                    >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    >> > > >>
                    >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                    > is
                    >> > Not
                    >> > > >> MOCKED!
                    >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > >
                    >> > > > ------------------------------------
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                  • masanga@talktalk.net
                    I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
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                      I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                      But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                      understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                      clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                      appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                      concerned.

                      However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                      obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                      should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Ted
                      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                      You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                      head
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: <masanga@...>
                      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                      > Nathaniel,
                      >
                      > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                      >
                      > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                      > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                      > of
                      > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                      > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                      > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                      > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                      > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                      >
                      > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                      > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                      > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                      > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                      > he
                      > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                      >
                      > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                      > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                      > date
                      > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                      > to
                      > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                      > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                      > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                      >
                      > Regan (masanga)
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > masanga,
                      > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                      > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                      > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                      > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                      > At any rate, I wish you well.
                      >
                      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> Nathaniel,
                      >>
                      >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                      > that my
                      >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                      > great
                      >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                      >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                      > knowledge,
                      >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                      > desires,
                      >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                      > as
                      >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                      >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                      > said
                      >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                      > And
                      >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                      > children to
                      >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                      > for
                      >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                      > long
                      >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                      >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                      > encouragement
                      >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                      > mental age
                      >> down to absolute zero in time.
                      >>
                      >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                      > break
                      >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                      > don't
                      >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                      > in the
                      >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                      > suggest
                      >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                      >>
                      >> Sincerely,
                      >> Regan (masanga)
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Dear masanga,
                      >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                      >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                      >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                      >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                      > would
                      >> your answer be?
                      >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                      >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                      > Can
                      >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                      > a
                      >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                      >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                      > Obama,
                      >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                      > earth
                      >> would qualify.
                      >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                      >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                      >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                      >>
                      >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                      >> >
                      >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                      >> >
                      >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      >> certain
                      >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                      >> > wicked...."
                      >> >
                      >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                      >> of our
                      >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                      > anyone
                      >> else
                      >> > in this respect.
                      >> >
                      >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                      > would
                      >> win
                      >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                      >> >
                      >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                      >> needing any
                      >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                      >> "seemingly
                      >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                      >> seemed to
                      >> > have a clear run to me.
                      >> >
                      >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                      >> >
                      >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                      >> about
                      >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                      >> >
                      >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                      >> praises
                      >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                      >> asssisted
                      >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                      >> protected
                      >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                      >> >
                      >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                      >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                      >> in
                      >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                      >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                      > up
                      >> to
                      >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                      > is
                      >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                      >> system
                      >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                      > where
                      >> the
                      >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                      >> the
                      >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                      > "Emperor").
                      >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                      >> office
                      >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                      >> for
                      >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                      >> >
                      >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                      >> She is
                      >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                      >> for the
                      >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                      >> >
                      >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                      >> I see
                      >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                      >> as you
                      >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                      >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                      >> think she
                      >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                      >> independent
                      >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                      >> the
                      >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                      >> anonymous
                      >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                      >> sheer
                      >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                      >> the
                      >> > terms.
                      >> >
                      >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                      >> and
                      >> > sconld...."
                      >> >
                      >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                      >> scold
                      >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                      >> and
                      >> > objectively.
                      >> >
                      >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      >> morbid
                      >> > intransigence...."
                      >> >
                      >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                      >> compromise" and
                      >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                      > us
                      >> to
                      >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                      >> what
                      >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                      >> she
                      >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                      > price.
                      >> But
                      >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                      >> >
                      >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > re-appearance
                      >> of
                      >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                      >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > arguments."
                      >> >
                      >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                      >> we? Or
                      >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                      >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                      >> she has
                      >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                      > which
                      >> you
                      >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                      >> can
                      >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                      >> an
                      >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                      >> even
                      >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                      >> It is
                      >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                      >> to pay
                      >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                      >> high for
                      >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                      >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                      > own
                      >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                      >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                      >> lie the
                      >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                      >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                      >> >
                      >> > Regards,
                      >> > Regan
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                      >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                      >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                      >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                      > the
                      >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                      >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                      >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                      > be
                      >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                      > team
                      >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                      >> this
                      >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                      > clock
                      >> > 24/7!!
                      >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                      > She
                      >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      >> consciousness
                      >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                      >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                      > rediculed
                      >> > and sconld.
                      >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                      >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                      >> or
                      >> > less!
                      >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > arguments.
                      >> >
                      >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                      >> bitch
                      >> > at
                      >> > > times.
                      >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                      > me.
                      >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                      > slightest,
                      >> > the
                      >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                      >> count.
                      >> > And by
                      >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                      >> FANNIE
                      >> > mae,
                      >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                      >> > would
                      >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                      > money
                      >> > into
                      >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                      >> idea,
                      >> > and
                      >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                      >> > things.
                      >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                      >> name
                      >> > for
                      >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      >> > friends.
                      >> > > Good to see you're back.
                      >> > > Later...
                      >> > > Ted
                      >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > > From: masanga@
                      >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > [11-08-08]
                      >> > >
                      >> > >
                      >> > > > Hi Ted,
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      >> > to get
                      >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      >> > eventually
                      >> > > > got
                      >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                      > me
                      >> in
                      >> > my
                      >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                      > days
                      >> > and was
                      >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                      >> > forum
                      >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                      > election
                      >> > of
                      >> > > > Barack
                      >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                      >> > them. The
                      >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                      > of
                      >> > joy in
                      >> > > > the
                      >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                      > new
                      >> > age has
                      >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      >> > > > world-historic
                      >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                      >> here.
                      >> > Why
                      >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      >> > election
                      >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      >> > politicians
                      >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                      > view
                      >> > that
                      >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      >> > constitutes
                      >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                      >> > the
                      >> > > > whole
                      >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                      >> > > > Lambremont
                      >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                      > to
                      >> > remove
                      >> > > > the
                      >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                      >> anything
                      >> > > > myself
                      >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                      > either.
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      >> > found no
                      >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                      > myself
                      >> > from
                      >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      >> > whenever I
                      >> > > > am
                      >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                      >> > that
                      >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                      > don't
                      >> > want to
                      >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                      > spectacle
                      >> > may be.
                      >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                      > the
                      >> > Zeta -
                      >> > > > on
                      >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                      > those
                      >> > among us
                      >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                      > it.
                      >> > So my
                      >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                      > warning
                      >> in
                      >> > > > fact -
                      >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                      > cult-building
                      >> > > > activity
                      >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                      >> their
                      >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                      > to
                      >> > do
                      >> > > > that
                      >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      >> > natural
                      >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      >> > now
                      >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > Warm regards,
                      >> > > > Regan
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > > > From: Ted
                      >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      >> [11-08-08]
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                      >> > > > .
                      >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > > > From: masanga@
                      >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      >> [11-08-08]
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      >> > words of
                      >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                      > is
                      >> > > >> reported
                      >> > > >> to have said:
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      >> > > >> fantasies
                      >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Regan
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                      >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> written
                      >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                      >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                      > he
                      >> > did on
                      >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                      > out
                      >> > in his
                      >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                      >> new
                      >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                      >> The
                      >> > Zetas
                      >> > > >> have
                      >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                      >> > would
                      >> > > >> like
                      >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                      > X,
                      >> > and if
                      >> > > >> so
                      >> > > >> was
                      >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                      >> > Friday the
                      >> > > >> CNN
                      >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      >> > "pause"
                      >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                      >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                      >> declined
                      >> > to
                      >> > > >> comment.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                      >> consensus
                      >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                      > his
                      >> > heart
                      >> > > >> and
                      >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                      >> Obama
                      >> > looked
                      >> > > >> older
                      >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                      > the
                      >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                      > candidacy.
                      >> > Yet the
                      >> > > >> race
                      >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                      >> causing
                      >> > him
                      >> > > >> loss
                      >> > > >> of
                      >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                      >> > already
                      >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                      > world
                      >> > and
                      >> > > >> what
                      >> > > >> the
                      >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                      > also
                      >> > did not
                      >> > > >> learn
                      >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                      >> > company
                      >> > > >> crimes,
                      >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                      >> FBI
                      >> > and
                      >> > > >> the
                      >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      >> > planetary
                      >> > > >> presence
                      >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                      >> had
                      >> > heard
                      >> > > >> the
                      >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                      >> relayed
                      >> > to
                      >> > > >> him
                      >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      >> > confirmation.
                      >> > > >> Why would
                      >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                      > US
                      >> > > >> boundaries
                      >> > > >> are
                      >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                      >> cover-up,
                      >> > and
                      >> > > >> how
                      >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                      >> been
                      >> > > >> decided.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                      >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                      > options
                      >> > in the
                      >> > > >> future.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                      > beliefs?
                      >> He
                      >> > is
                      >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                      >> > Lincoln
                      >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      >> > > >> figuratively?
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      >> > recognize
                      >> > > >> early
                      >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                      >> case,
                      >> > he
                      >> > > >> was
                      >> > > >> a
                      >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                      > life
                      >> > > >> circumstances
                      >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                      > human
                      >> > body
                      >> > > >> and
                      >> > > >> mind
                      >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      >> > conclusion
                      >> > > >> that
                      >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> The
                      >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Issue 104,
                      >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Election
                      >> > > >> Results
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> As predicted by
                      >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                      >> > state by
                      >> > > >> state,
                      >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                      >> > ended up
                      >> > > >> in
                      >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                      > to
                      >> > the
                      >> > > >> actual
                      >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                      > is
                      >> > Not
                      >> > > >> MOCKED!
                      >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > ------------------------------------
                    • Ted
                      Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
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                        Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                        Nancy's groupies.
                        He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                        Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                        wearing no close
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: <masanga@...>
                        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                        > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                        >
                        > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                        > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                        > be
                        > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                        > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                        > concerned.
                        >
                        > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                        > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                        > he
                        > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Ted
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                        > his
                        > head
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: <masanga@...>
                        > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        >> Nathaniel,
                        >>
                        >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                        >>
                        >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                        >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                        >> of
                        >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                        >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                        >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                        >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                        >> have
                        >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                        >>
                        >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                        >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                        >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                        >> my
                        >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                        >> he
                        >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                        >>
                        >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                        >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                        >> date
                        >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                        >> to
                        >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                        >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                        >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                        >>
                        >> Regan (masanga)
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> ----- Original Message -----
                        >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                        >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> masanga,
                        >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                        >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                        >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                        >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                        >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                        >>
                        >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>> Nathaniel,
                        >>>
                        >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                        >> that my
                        >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                        >> great
                        >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                        >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                        >> knowledge,
                        >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                        >> desires,
                        >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                        >> as
                        >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                        >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                        >> said
                        >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                        >> And
                        >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                        >> children to
                        >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                        >> for
                        >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                        >> long
                        >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                        >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                        >> encouragement
                        >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                        >> mental age
                        >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                        >>>
                        >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                        >> break
                        >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                        >> don't
                        >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                        >> in the
                        >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                        >> suggest
                        >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                        >>>
                        >>> Sincerely,
                        >>> Regan (masanga)
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                        >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                        >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Dear masanga,
                        >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                        >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                        >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                        >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                        >> would
                        >>> your answer be?
                        >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                        >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                        >> Can
                        >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                        >> a
                        >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                        >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                        >> Obama,
                        >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                        >> earth
                        >>> would qualify.
                        >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                        >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                        >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                        >>>
                        >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                        >>> >
                        >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                        >>> >
                        >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        >>> certain
                        >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                        >>> > wicked...."
                        >>> >
                        >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                        >>> of our
                        >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                        >> anyone
                        >>> else
                        >>> > in this respect.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                        >> would
                        >>> win
                        >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                        >>> >
                        >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                        >>> needing any
                        >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                        >>> "seemingly
                        >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                        >>> seemed to
                        >>> > have a clear run to me.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                        >>> >
                        >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                        >>> about
                        >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                        >>> praises
                        >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                        >>> asssisted
                        >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                        >>> protected
                        >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                        >>> >
                        >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                        >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                        >>> in
                        >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                        >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                        >> up
                        >>> to
                        >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                        >> is
                        >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                        >>> system
                        >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                        >> where
                        >>> the
                        >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                        >>> the
                        >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                        >> "Emperor").
                        >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                        >>> office
                        >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                        >>> for
                        >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        >>> She is
                        >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                        >>> for the
                        >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                        >>> >
                        >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                        >>> I see
                        >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                        >>> as you
                        >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                        >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                        >>> think she
                        >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                        >>> independent
                        >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                        >>> the
                        >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                        >>> anonymous
                        >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                        >>> sheer
                        >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                        >>> the
                        >>> > terms.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                        >>> and
                        >>> > sconld...."
                        >>> >
                        >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                        >>> scold
                        >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                        >>> and
                        >>> > objectively.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        >>> morbid
                        >>> > intransigence...."
                        >>> >
                        >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                        >>> compromise" and
                        >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                        >> us
                        >>> to
                        >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                        >>> what
                        >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                        >>> she
                        >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                        >> price.
                        >>> But
                        >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        >> re-appearance
                        >>> of
                        >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                        >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        >> arguments."
                        >>> >
                        >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                        >>> we? Or
                        >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                        >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                        >>> she has
                        >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                        >> which
                        >>> you
                        >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                        >>> can
                        >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                        >>> an
                        >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                        >>> even
                        >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                        >>> It is
                        >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                        >>> to pay
                        >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                        >>> high for
                        >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                        >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                        >> own
                        >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                        >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                        >>> lie the
                        >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                        >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > Regards,
                        >>> > Regan
                        >>> >
                        >>> >
                        >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                        >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                        >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >>> >
                        >>> >
                        >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                        >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                        >> the
                        >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                        >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                        >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                        >> be
                        >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                        >> team
                        >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                        >>> this
                        >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                        >> clock
                        >>> > 24/7!!
                        >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        >> She
                        >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        >>> consciousness
                        >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                        >> rediculed
                        >>> > and sconld.
                        >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                        >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                        >>> or
                        >>> > less!
                        >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        >> arguments.
                        >>> >
                        >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                        >>> > >
                        >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                        >>> bitch
                        >>> > at
                        >>> > > times.
                        >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                        >> me.
                        >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                        >> slightest,
                        >>> > the
                        >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                        >>> count.
                        >>> > And by
                        >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        >>> > >
                        >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                        >>> FANNIE
                        >>> > mae,
                        >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                        >>> > would
                        >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                        >> money
                        >>> > into
                        >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                        >>> idea,
                        >>> > and
                        >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                        >>> > things.
                        >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                        >>> name
                        >>> > for
                        >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        >>> > friends.
                        >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                        >>> > > Later...
                        >>> > > Ted
                        >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> > > From: masanga@
                        >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        >> [11-08-08]
                        >>> > >
                        >>> > >
                        >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        >>> > to get
                        >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        >>> > eventually
                        >>> > > > got
                        >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                        >> me
                        >>> in
                        >>> > my
                        >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                        >> days
                        >>> > and was
                        >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                        >>> > forum
                        >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                        >> election
                        >>> > of
                        >>> > > > Barack
                        >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                        >>> > them. The
                        >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                        >> of
                        >>> > joy in
                        >>> > > > the
                        >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                        >> new
                        >>> > age has
                        >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        >>> > > > world-historic
                        >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                        >>> here.
                        >>> > Why
                        >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        >>> > election
                        >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        >>> > politicians
                        >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                        >> view
                        >>> > that
                        >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        >>> > constitutes
                        >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                        >>> > the
                        >>> > > > whole
                        >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                        >>> > > > Lambremont
                        >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                        >> to
                        >>> > remove
                        >>> > > > the
                        >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                        >>> anything
                        >>> > > > myself
                        >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                        >> either.
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        >>> > found no
                        >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                        >> myself
                        >>> > from
                        >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        >>> > whenever I
                        >>> > > > am
                        >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                        >>> > that
                        >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                        >> don't
                        >>> > want to
                        >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                        >> spectacle
                        >>> > may be.
                        >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                        >> the
                        >>> > Zeta -
                        >>> > > > on
                        >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                        >> those
                        >>> > among us
                        >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                        >> it.
                        >>> > So my
                        >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                        >> warning
                        >>> in
                        >>> > > > fact -
                        >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                        >> cult-building
                        >>> > > > activity
                        >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                        >>> their
                        >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                        >> to
                        >>> > do
                        >>> > > > that
                        >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        >>> > natural
                        >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        >>> > now
                        >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > > Warm regards,
                        >>> > > > Regan
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> > > > From: Ted
                        >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        >>> [11-08-08]
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                        >>> > > > .
                        >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> > > > From: masanga@
                        >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        >>> [11-08-08]
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        >>> > words of
                        >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                        >> is
                        >>> > > >> reported
                        >>> > > >> to have said:
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        >>> > > >> fantasies
                        >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> Regan
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                        >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> written
                        >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                        >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                        >> he
                        >>> > did on
                        >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                        >> out
                        >>> > in his
                        >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                        >>> new
                        >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                        >>> The
                        >>> > Zetas
                        >>> > > >> have
                        >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                        >>> > would
                        >>> > > >> like
                        >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                        >> X,
                        >>> > and if
                        >>> > > >> so
                        >>> > > >> was
                        >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                        >>> > Friday the
                        >>> > > >> CNN
                        >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        >>> > "pause"
                        >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                        >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                        >>> declined
                        >>> > to
                        >>> > > >> comment.
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                        >>> consensus
                        >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                        >> his
                        >>> > heart
                        >>> > > >> and
                        >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                        >>> Obama
                        >>> > looked
                        >>> > > >> older
                        >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                        >> the
                        >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                        >> candidacy.
                        >>> > Yet the
                        >>> > > >> race
                        >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                        >>> causing
                        >>> > him
                        >>> > > >> loss
                        >>> > > >> of
                        >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                        >>> > already
                        >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                        >> world
                        >>> > and
                        >>> > > >> what
                        >>> > > >> the
                        >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                        >> also
                        >>> > did not
                        >>> > > >> learn
                        >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                        >>> > company
                        >>> > > >> crimes,
                        >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                        >>> FBI
                        >>> > and
                        >>> > > >> the
                        >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        >>> > planetary
                        >>> > > >> presence
                        >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                        >>> had
                        >>> > heard
                        >>> > > >> the
                        >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                        >>> relayed
                        >>> > to
                        >>> > > >> him
                        >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        >>> > confirmation.
                        >>> > > >> Why would
                        >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                        >> US
                        >>> > > >> boundaries
                        >>> > > >> are
                        >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                        >>> cover-up,
                        >>> > and
                        >>> > > >> how
                        >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                        >>> been
                        >>> > > >> decided.
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                        >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                        >> options
                        >>> > in the
                        >>> > > >> future.
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                        >> beliefs?
                        >>> He
                        >>> > is
                        >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                        >>> > Lincoln
                        >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                        >>> > > >> figuratively?
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                        >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        >>> > recognize
                        >>> > > >> early
                        >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                        >>> case,
                        >>> > he
                        >>> > > >> was
                        >>> > > >> a
                        >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                        >> life
                        >>> > > >> circumstances
                        >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                        >> human
                        >>> > body
                        >>> > > >> and
                        >>> > > >> mind
                        >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        >>> > conclusion
                        >>> > > >> that
                        >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> The
                        >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                        >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> Election
                        >>> > > >> Results
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> As predicted by
                        >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                        >>> > state by
                        >>> > > >> state,
                        >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                        >>> > ended up
                        >>> > > >> in
                        >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                        >> to
                        >>> > the
                        >>> > > >> actual
                        >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        >>> > > >>
                        >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                        >> is
                        >>> > Not
                        >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                        >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        >>> > > >
                        >>> > > >
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                      • nathaniel x vance
                        Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
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                          Dear Brother masanga,
                          Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                          and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                          you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                          rebellion out in me.
                          Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                          COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                          like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                          higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                          help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                          renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                          higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                          co-existence will be the order of the future!
                          Please pardon me.

                          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Nathaniel,
                          >
                          > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                          >
                          > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                          about
                          > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                          know of
                          > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                          > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                          > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                          universe, I
                          > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                          have
                          > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                          >
                          > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                          divine
                          > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                          > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                          in my
                          > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                          that he
                          > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                          >
                          > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                          presume to
                          > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                          date
                          > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                          mystery to
                          > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                          > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                          divine
                          > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                          >
                          > Regan (masanga)
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > masanga,
                          > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                          > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                          > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                          > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                          > At any rate, I wish you well.
                          >
                          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Nathaniel,
                          > >
                          > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                          > that my
                          > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                          > great
                          > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                          > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                          > knowledge,
                          > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                          > desires,
                          > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                          things
                          > as
                          > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                          will
                          > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                          > said
                          > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                          > And
                          > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                          > children to
                          > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                          you
                          > for
                          > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                          worked
                          > long
                          > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                          both
                          > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                          > encouragement
                          > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                          > mental age
                          > > down to absolute zero in time.
                          > >
                          > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                          > break
                          > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                          > don't
                          > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                          me
                          > in the
                          > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                          > suggest
                          > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                          up.
                          > >
                          > > Sincerely,
                          > > Regan (masanga)
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                          > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Dear masanga,
                          > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                          answer
                          > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                          > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                          our
                          > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                          > would
                          > > your answer be?
                          > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                          before
                          > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                          > Can
                          > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                          see
                          > a
                          > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                          details
                          > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                          > Obama,
                          > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                          > earth
                          > > would qualify.
                          > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                          > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                          > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                          > >
                          > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                          > > >
                          > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                          a
                          > > certain
                          > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                          greedy
                          > > > wicked...."
                          > > >
                          > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                          > > of our
                          > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                          > anyone
                          > > else
                          > > > in this respect.
                          > > >
                          > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                          > would
                          > > win
                          > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                          > > >
                          > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                          > > needing any
                          > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                          > > "seemingly
                          > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                          > > seemed to
                          > > > have a clear run to me.
                          > > >
                          > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                          > > >
                          > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                          > > about
                          > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                          > > >
                          > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                          > > praises
                          > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                          > > asssisted
                          > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                          > > protected
                          > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                          > > >
                          > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                          > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                          really
                          > > in
                          > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                          dominance?
                          > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                          > up
                          > > to
                          > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                          > is
                          > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                          a
                          > > system
                          > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                          > where
                          > > the
                          > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                          become
                          > > the
                          > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                          > "Emperor").
                          > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                          > > office
                          > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                          credit
                          > > for
                          > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                          me.
                          > > >
                          > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                          cult!
                          > > She is
                          > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                          consciousness
                          > > for the
                          > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                          > > >
                          > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                          > > I see
                          > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                          be
                          > > as you
                          > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                          for
                          > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                          > > think she
                          > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                          > > independent
                          > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                          asserting
                          > > the
                          > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                          > > anonymous
                          > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                          on
                          > > sheer
                          > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                          of
                          > > the
                          > > > terms.
                          > > >
                          > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                          rediculed
                          > > and
                          > > > sconld...."
                          > > >
                          > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                          > > scold
                          > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                          impartially
                          > > and
                          > > > objectively.
                          > > >
                          > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                          > > morbid
                          > > > intransigence...."
                          > > >
                          > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                          > > compromise" and
                          > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                          > us
                          > > to
                          > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                          wonder
                          > > what
                          > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                          > > she
                          > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                          > price.
                          > > But
                          > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                          ours.
                          > > >
                          > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          > re-appearance
                          > > of
                          > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                          > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          > arguments."
                          > > >
                          > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                          > > we? Or
                          > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                          absurd
                          > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                          which
                          > > she has
                          > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                          > which
                          > > you
                          > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                          she
                          > > can
                          > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                          into
                          > > an
                          > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                          > > even
                          > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                          intelligence?
                          > > It is
                          > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                          willing
                          > > to pay
                          > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                          > > high for
                          > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                          "full
                          > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                          > own
                          > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                          > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                          a
                          > > lie the
                          > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                          > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                          > > >
                          > > > Regards,
                          > > > Regan
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                          > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          [11-08-08]
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                          > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                          > the
                          > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                          that
                          > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                          against
                          > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                          should
                          > be
                          > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                          > team
                          > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                          > > this
                          > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                          > clock
                          > > > 24/7!!
                          > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          > She
                          > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                          > > consciousness
                          > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                          > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                          > rediculed
                          > > > and sconld.
                          > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                          morbid
                          > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                          years
                          > > or
                          > > > less!
                          > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          > arguments.
                          > > >
                          > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                          > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                          > > bitch
                          > > > at
                          > > > > times.
                          > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                          > me.
                          > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                          > slightest,
                          > > > the
                          > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                          > > count.
                          > > > And by
                          > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                          > > FANNIE
                          > > > mae,
                          > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                          One
                          > > > would
                          > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                          > money
                          > > > into
                          > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                          > > idea,
                          > > > and
                          > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                          damn
                          > > > things.
                          > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                          > > name
                          > > > for
                          > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                          > > > friends.
                          > > > > Good to see you're back.
                          > > > > Later...
                          > > > > Ted
                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > From: masanga@
                          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > [11-08-08]
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > > Hi Ted,
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                          > > > to get
                          > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                          > > > eventually
                          > > > > > got
                          > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                          > me
                          > > in
                          > > > my
                          > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                          > days
                          > > > and was
                          > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                          this
                          > > > forum
                          > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                          > election
                          > > > of
                          > > > > > Barack
                          > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                          of
                          > > > them. The
                          > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                          > of
                          > > > joy in
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                          > new
                          > > > age has
                          > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                          > > > > > world-historic
                          > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                          > > here.
                          > > > Why
                          > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                          > > > election
                          > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                          > > > politicians
                          > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                          > view
                          > > > that
                          > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                          > > > constitutes
                          > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                          in
                          > > > the
                          > > > > > whole
                          > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                          Alfred
                          > > > > > Lambremont
                          > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                          > to
                          > > > remove
                          > > > > > the
                          > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                          > > anything
                          > > > > > myself
                          > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                          > either.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                          > > > found no
                          > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                          > myself
                          > > > from
                          > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                          > > > whenever I
                          > > > > > am
                          > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                          performed
                          > > > that
                          > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                          > don't
                          > > > want to
                          > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                          > spectacle
                          > > > may be.
                          > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                          > the
                          > > > Zeta -
                          > > > > > on
                          > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                          > those
                          > > > among us
                          > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                          > it.
                          > > > So my
                          > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                          > warning
                          > > in
                          > > > > > fact -
                          > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                          > cult-building
                          > > > > > activity
                          > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                          > > their
                          > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                          freedom
                          > to
                          > > > do
                          > > > > > that
                          > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                          > > > natural
                          > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                          > > > now
                          > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Warm regards,
                          > > > > > Regan
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > From: Ted
                          > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > > [11-08-08]
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                          > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                          > > > > > .
                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > > From: masanga@
                          > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > > [11-08-08]
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                          > > > words of
                          > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                          who
                          > is
                          > > > > >> reported
                          > > > > >> to have said:
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                          > > > > >> fantasies
                          > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Regan
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                          ;
                          > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                          ;
                          > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                          ;
                          > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                          > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          [11-08-08]
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                          > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> written
                          > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                          > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                          > he
                          > > > did on
                          > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                          > out
                          > > > in his
                          > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                          the
                          > > new
                          > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                          > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                          shift?
                          > > The
                          > > > Zetas
                          > > > > >> have
                          > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                          I
                          > > > would
                          > > > > >> like
                          > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                          > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                          > X,
                          > > > and if
                          > > > > >> so
                          > > > > >> was
                          > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                          > > > Friday the
                          > > > > >> CNN
                          > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                          > > > "pause"
                          > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                          4th
                          > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                          > > declined
                          > > > to
                          > > > > >> comment.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                          > > consensus
                          > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                          > his
                          > > > heart
                          > > > > >> and
                          > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                          > > Obama
                          > > > looked
                          > > > > >> older
                          > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                          > the
                          > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                          > candidacy.
                          > > > Yet the
                          > > > > >> race
                          > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                          > > causing
                          > > > him
                          > > > > >> loss
                          > > > > >> of
                          > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                          not
                          > > > already
                          > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                          > world
                          > > > and
                          > > > > >> what
                          > > > > >> the
                          > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                          > also
                          > > > did not
                          > > > > >> learn
                          > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                          > > > company
                          > > > > >> crimes,
                          > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                          the
                          > > FBI
                          > > > and
                          > > > > >> the
                          > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                          > > > planetary
                          > > > > >> presence
                          > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                          He
                          > > had
                          > > > heard
                          > > > > >> the
                          > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                          > > relayed
                          > > > to
                          > > > > >> him
                          > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                          > > > confirmation.
                          > > > > >> Why would
                          > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                          > US
                          > > > > >> boundaries
                          > > > > >> are
                          > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                          > > cover-up,
                          > > > and
                          > > > > >> how
                          > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                          > > been
                          > > > > >> decided.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                          > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                          > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                          > options
                          > > > in the
                          > > > > >> future.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                          > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                          > beliefs?
                          > > He
                          > > > is
                          > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                          is
                          > > > Lincoln
                          > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                          > > > > >> figuratively?
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                          > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                          > > > recognize
                          > > > > >> early
                          > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                          > > case,
                          > > > he
                          > > > > >> was
                          > > > > >> a
                          > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                          > life
                          > > > > >> circumstances
                          > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                          > human
                          > > > body
                          > > > > >> and
                          > > > > >> mind
                          > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                          > > > conclusion
                          > > > > >> that
                          > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> The
                          > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Issue 104,
                          > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> Election
                          > > > > >> Results
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> As predicted by
                          > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                          result,
                          > > > state by
                          > > > > >> state,
                          > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                          > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                          McCain
                          > > > ended up
                          > > > > >> in
                          > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                          > to
                          > > > the
                          > > > > >> actual
                          > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                          > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                          > > > > >>
                          > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                          GOD
                          > is
                          > > > Not
                          > > > > >> MOCKED!
                          > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                          > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > ------------------------------------
                          >
                        • nathaniel x vance
                          Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
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                            Okay Mr. Ted,
                            I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                            scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                            two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                            think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                            wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                            he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                            Messiah/Mahdi?
                            We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                            Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                            scratching his
                            > head
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: masanga@...
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            > > Nathaniel,
                            > >
                            > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                            > >
                            > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                            about
                            > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                            know
                            > > of
                            > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                            > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                            > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                            universe, I
                            > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                            I have
                            > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                            > >
                            > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                            divine
                            > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                            > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                            in my
                            > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                            that
                            > > he
                            > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                            > >
                            > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                            presume to
                            > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                            to
                            > > date
                            > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                            mystery
                            > > to
                            > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                            > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                            divine
                            > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                            > >
                            > > Regan (masanga)
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                            > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > masanga,
                            > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                            about
                            > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                            > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                            If
                            > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                            > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                            > >
                            > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                            > >>
                            > >> Nathaniel,
                            > >>
                            > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                            > > that my
                            > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                            > > great
                            > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                            have
                            > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                            > > knowledge,
                            > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                            > > desires,
                            > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                            things
                            > > as
                            > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                            will
                            > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                            > > said
                            > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                            > > And
                            > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                            > > children to
                            > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                            you
                            > > for
                            > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                            worked
                            > > long
                            > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                            both
                            > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                            > > encouragement
                            > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                            > > mental age
                            > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                            > >>
                            > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                            > > break
                            > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                            > > don't
                            > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                            me
                            > > in the
                            > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                            > > suggest
                            > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                            up.
                            > >>
                            > >> Sincerely,
                            > >> Regan (masanga)
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                            > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >> Dear masanga,
                            > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                            answer
                            > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                            > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                            our
                            > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                            > > would
                            > >> your answer be?
                            > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                            before
                            > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                            qualifications;
                            > > Can
                            > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                            see
                            > > a
                            > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                            details
                            > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                            > > Obama,
                            > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                            > > earth
                            > >> would qualify.
                            > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                            > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                            > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                            > >>
                            > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                            > >> >
                            > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                            > >> >
                            > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                            a
                            > >> certain
                            > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                            greedy
                            > >> > wicked...."
                            > >> >
                            > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                            > >> of our
                            > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                            > > anyone
                            > >> else
                            > >> > in this respect.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                            > > would
                            > >> win
                            > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                            > >> >
                            > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                            > >> needing any
                            > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                            > >> "seemingly
                            > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                            > >> seemed to
                            > >> > have a clear run to me.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                            > >> >
                            > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                            > >> about
                            > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                            and
                            > >> praises
                            > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                            who
                            > >> asssisted
                            > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                            > >> protected
                            > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                            > >> >
                            > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                            > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                            really
                            > >> in
                            > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                            dominance?
                            > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                            facing
                            > > up
                            > >> to
                            > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                            which
                            > > is
                            > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                            a
                            > >> system
                            > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                            > > where
                            > >> the
                            > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                            become
                            > >> the
                            > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                            > > "Emperor").
                            > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                            > >> office
                            > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                            credit
                            > >> for
                            > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                            me.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                            cult!
                            > >> She is
                            > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                            consciousness
                            > >> for the
                            > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                            righteous."
                            > >> >
                            > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                            > >> I see
                            > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                            be
                            > >> as you
                            > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                            for
                            > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                            > >> think she
                            > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                            > >> independent
                            > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                            asserting
                            > >> the
                            > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                            > >> anonymous
                            > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                            on
                            > >> sheer
                            > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                            of
                            > >> the
                            > >> > terms.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                            rediculed
                            > >> and
                            > >> > sconld...."
                            > >> >
                            > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                            > >> scold
                            > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                            impartially
                            > >> and
                            > >> > objectively.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                            > >> morbid
                            > >> > intransigence...."
                            > >> >
                            > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                            > >> compromise" and
                            > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                            wants
                            > > us
                            > >> to
                            > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                            wonder
                            > >> what
                            > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                            think
                            > >> she
                            > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                            > > price.
                            > >> But
                            > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                            ours.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            > > re-appearance
                            > >> of
                            > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                            > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            > > arguments."
                            > >> >
                            > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                            > >> we? Or
                            > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                            absurd
                            > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                            which
                            > >> she has
                            > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                            > > which
                            > >> you
                            > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                            she
                            > >> can
                            > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                            into
                            > >> an
                            > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                            or
                            > >> even
                            > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                            intelligence?
                            > >> It is
                            > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                            willing
                            > >> to pay
                            > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                            too
                            > >> high for
                            > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                            "full
                            > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                            > > own
                            > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                            > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                            and a
                            > >> lie the
                            > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                            > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > Regards,
                            > >> > Regan
                            > >> >
                            > >> >
                            > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                            > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            > >> >
                            > >> >
                            > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                            > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                            a
                            > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                            > > the
                            > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                            that
                            > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                            against
                            > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                            should
                            > > be
                            > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                            > > team
                            > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                            making
                            > >> this
                            > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                            > > clock
                            > >> > 24/7!!
                            > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                            cult!
                            > > She
                            > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                            > >> consciousness
                            > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                            > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                            > > rediculed
                            > >> > and sconld.
                            > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                            morbid
                            > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                            years
                            > >> or
                            > >> > less!
                            > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            > > arguments.
                            > >> >
                            > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                            > >> > >
                            > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                            > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                            > >> bitch
                            > >> > at
                            > >> > > times.
                            > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                            > > me.
                            > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                            > > slightest,
                            > >> > the
                            > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                            > >> count.
                            > >> > And by
                            > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                            > >> > >
                            > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                            > >> FANNIE
                            > >> > mae,
                            > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                            One
                            > >> > would
                            > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                            > > money
                            > >> > into
                            > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                            > >> idea,
                            > >> > and
                            > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                            damn
                            > >> > things.
                            > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                            Nancy's
                            > >> name
                            > >> > for
                            > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                            > >> > friends.
                            > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                            > >> > > Later...
                            > >> > > Ted
                            > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> > > From: masanga@
                            > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                            > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            > > [11-08-08]
                            > >> > >
                            > >> > >
                            > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                            > >> > to get
                            > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                            > >> > eventually
                            > >> > > > got
                            > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                            for
                            > > me
                            > >> in
                            > >> > my
                            > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                            > > days
                            > >> > and was
                            > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                            this
                            > >> > forum
                            > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                            > > election
                            > >> > of
                            > >> > > > Barack
                            > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                            of
                            > >> > them. The
                            > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                            tears
                            > > of
                            > >> > joy in
                            > >> > > > the
                            > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                            > > new
                            > >> > age has
                            > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                            > >> > > > world-historic
                            > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                            > >> here.
                            > >> > Why
                            > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                            > >> > election
                            > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                            > >> > politicians
                            > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                            > > view
                            > >> > that
                            > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                            > >> > constitutes
                            > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                            in
                            > >> > the
                            > >> > > > whole
                            > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                            Alfred
                            > >> > > > Lambremont
                            > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                            commitment
                            > > to
                            > >> > remove
                            > >> > > > the
                            > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                            > >> anything
                            > >> > > > myself
                            > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                            > > either.
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                            > >> > found no
                            > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                            > > myself
                            > >> > from
                            > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                            > >> > whenever I
                            > >> > > > am
                            > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                            performed
                            > >> > that
                            > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                            > > don't
                            > >> > want to
                            > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                            > > spectacle
                            > >> > may be.
                            > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                            of
                            > > the
                            > >> > Zeta -
                            > >> > > > on
                            > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                            > > those
                            > >> > among us
                            > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                            to
                            > > it.
                            > >> > So my
                            > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                            > > warning
                            > >> in
                            > >> > > > fact -
                            > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                            > > cult-building
                            > >> > > > activity
                            > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                            dictate
                            > >> their
                            > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                            freedom
                            > > to
                            > >> > do
                            > >> > > > that
                            > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                            > >> > natural
                            > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                            > >> > now
                            > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > > Warm regards,
                            > >> > > > Regan
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> > > > From: Ted
                            > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                            > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            > >> [11-08-08]
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                            > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                            > >> > > > .
                            > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> > > > From: masanga@
                            > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                            > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            > >> [11-08-08]
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                            > >> > words of
                            > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                            who
                            > > is
                            > >> > > >> reported
                            > >> > > >> to have said:
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                            > >> > > >> fantasies
                            > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> Regan
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                            ;
                            > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                            ;
                            > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                            earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                            ;
                            > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                            ;
                            > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                            ;
                            > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                            > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                            > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                            > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> written
                            > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                            > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                            than
                            > > he
                            > >> > did on
                            > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                            found
                            > > out
                            > >> > in his
                            > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                            the
                            > >> new
                            > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                            > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                            shift?
                            > >> The
                            > >> > Zetas
                            > >> > > >> have
                            > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                            another] I
                            > >> > would
                            > >> > > >> like
                            > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                            > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                            Planet
                            > > X,
                            > >> > and if
                            > >> > > >> so
                            > >> > > >> was
                            > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                            conference
                            > >> > Friday the
                            > >> > > >> CNN
                            > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                            > >> > "pause"
                            > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                            4th
                            > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                            > >> declined
                            > >> > to
                            > >> > > >> comment.
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                            > >> consensus
                            > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                            > > his
                            > >> > heart
                            > >> > > >> and
                            > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                            > >> Obama
                            > >> > looked
                            > >> > > >> older
                            > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                            > > the
                            > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                            > > candidacy.
                            > >> > Yet the
                            > >> > > >> race
                            > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                            > >> causing
                            > >> > him
                            > >> > > >> loss
                            > >> > > >> of
                            > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                            not
                            > >> > already
                            > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                            > > world
                            > >> > and
                            > >> > > >> what
                            > >> > > >> the
                            > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                            > > also
                            > >> > did not
                            > >> > > >> learn
                            > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                            and
                            > >> > company
                            > >> > > >> crimes,
                            > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                            the
                            > >> FBI
                            > >> > and
                            > >> > > >> the
                            > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                            > >> > planetary
                            > >> > > >> presence
                            > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                            He
                            > >> had
                            > >> > heard
                            > >> > > >> the
                            > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                            > >> relayed
                            > >> > to
                            > >> > > >> him
                            > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                            > >> > confirmation.
                            > >> > > >> Why would
                            > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                            the
                            > > US
                            > >> > > >> boundaries
                            > >> > > >> are
                            > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                            > >> cover-up,
                            > >> > and
                            > >> > > >> how
                            > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                            yet
                            > >> been
                            > >> > > >> decided.
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                            > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                            > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                            > > options
                            > >> > in the
                            > >> > > >> future.
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                            > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                            > > beliefs?
                            > >> He
                            > >> > is
                            > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                            is
                            > >> > Lincoln
                            > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                            speaking
                            > >> > > >> figuratively?
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                            many,
                            > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                            > >> > recognize
                            > >> > > >> early
                            > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                            Obama's
                            > >> case,
                            > >> > he
                            > >> > > >> was
                            > >> > > >> a
                            > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                            > > life
                            > >> > > >> circumstances
                            > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                            > > human
                            > >> > body
                            > >> > > >> and
                            > >> > > >> mind
                            > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                            > >> > conclusion
                            > >> > > >> that
                            > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> The
                            > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                            > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> Election
                            > >> > > >> Results
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> As predicted by
                            > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                            result,
                            > >> > state by
                            > >> > > >> state,
                            > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                            > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                            McCain
                            > >> > ended up
                            > >> > > >> in
                            > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                            polls,
                            > > to
                            > >> > the
                            > >> > > >> actual
                            > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                            > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                            > >> > > >>
                            > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                            GOD
                            > > is
                            > >> > Not
                            > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                            > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                            > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > >
                            > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ------------------------------------
                            > >
                            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                          • masanga@talktalk.net
                            Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
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                              Dear Nathaniel,

                              Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                              you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                              no harm was done.

                              Be at peace.

                              Regan (masanga)


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: nathaniel x vance
                              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                              Dear Brother masanga,
                              Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                              and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                              you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                              rebellion out in me.
                              Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                              COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                              like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                              higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                              help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                              renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                              higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                              co-existence will be the order of the future!
                              Please pardon me.

                              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Nathaniel,
                              >
                              > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                              >
                              > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                              about
                              > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                              know of
                              > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                              > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                              > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                              universe, I
                              > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                              have
                              > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                              >
                              > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                              divine
                              > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                              > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                              in my
                              > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                              that he
                              > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                              >
                              > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                              presume to
                              > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                              date
                              > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                              mystery to
                              > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                              > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                              divine
                              > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                              >
                              > Regan (masanga)
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >
                              >
                              > masanga,
                              > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                              > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                              > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                              > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                              > At any rate, I wish you well.
                              >
                              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Nathaniel,
                              > >
                              > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                              > that my
                              > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                              > great
                              > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                              > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                              > knowledge,
                              > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                              > desires,
                              > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                              things
                              > as
                              > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                              will
                              > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                              > said
                              > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                              > And
                              > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                              > children to
                              > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                              you
                              > for
                              > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                              worked
                              > long
                              > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                              both
                              > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                              > encouragement
                              > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                              > mental age
                              > > down to absolute zero in time.
                              > >
                              > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                              > break
                              > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                              > don't
                              > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                              me
                              > in the
                              > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                              > suggest
                              > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                              up.
                              > >
                              > > Sincerely,
                              > > Regan (masanga)
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                              > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Dear masanga,
                              > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                              answer
                              > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                              > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                              our
                              > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                              > would
                              > > your answer be?
                              > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                              before
                              > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                              > Can
                              > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                              see
                              > a
                              > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                              details
                              > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                              > Obama,
                              > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                              > earth
                              > > would qualify.
                              > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                              > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                              > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                              > >
                              > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                              > > >
                              > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                              a
                              > > certain
                              > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                              greedy
                              > > > wicked...."
                              > > >
                              > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                              > > of our
                              > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                              > anyone
                              > > else
                              > > > in this respect.
                              > > >
                              > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                              > would
                              > > win
                              > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                              > > >
                              > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                              > > needing any
                              > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                              > > "seemingly
                              > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                              > > seemed to
                              > > > have a clear run to me.
                              > > >
                              > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                              > > >
                              > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                              > > about
                              > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                              > > >
                              > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                              > > praises
                              > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                              > > asssisted
                              > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                              > > protected
                              > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                              > > >
                              > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                              > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                              really
                              > > in
                              > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                              dominance?
                              > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                              > up
                              > > to
                              > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                              > is
                              > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                              a
                              > > system
                              > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                              > where
                              > > the
                              > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                              become
                              > > the
                              > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                              > "Emperor").
                              > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                              > > office
                              > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                              credit
                              > > for
                              > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                              me.
                              > > >
                              > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                              cult!
                              > > She is
                              > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              consciousness
                              > > for the
                              > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                              > > >
                              > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                              > > I see
                              > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                              be
                              > > as you
                              > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                              for
                              > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                              > > think she
                              > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                              > > independent
                              > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                              asserting
                              > > the
                              > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                              > > anonymous
                              > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                              on
                              > > sheer
                              > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                              of
                              > > the
                              > > > terms.
                              > > >
                              > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                              rediculed
                              > > and
                              > > > sconld...."
                              > > >
                              > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                              > > scold
                              > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                              impartially
                              > > and
                              > > > objectively.
                              > > >
                              > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              > > morbid
                              > > > intransigence...."
                              > > >
                              > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                              > > compromise" and
                              > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                              > us
                              > > to
                              > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                              wonder
                              > > what
                              > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                              > > she
                              > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                              > price.
                              > > But
                              > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                              ours.
                              > > >
                              > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > re-appearance
                              > > of
                              > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                              > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > arguments."
                              > > >
                              > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                              > > we? Or
                              > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                              absurd
                              > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                              which
                              > > she has
                              > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                              > which
                              > > you
                              > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                              she
                              > > can
                              > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                              into
                              > > an
                              > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                              > > even
                              > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                              intelligence?
                              > > It is
                              > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                              willing
                              > > to pay
                              > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                              > > high for
                              > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                              "full
                              > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                              > own
                              > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                              > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                              a
                              > > lie the
                              > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                              > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                              > > >
                              > > > Regards,
                              > > > Regan
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                              > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                              > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                              > the
                              > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                              that
                              > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                              against
                              > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                              should
                              > be
                              > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                              > team
                              > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                              > > this
                              > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                              > clock
                              > > > 24/7!!
                              > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                              > She
                              > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              > > consciousness
                              > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                              > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                              > rediculed
                              > > > and sconld.
                              > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              morbid
                              > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                              years
                              > > or
                              > > > less!
                              > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > arguments.
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                              > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                              > > bitch
                              > > > at
                              > > > > times.
                              > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                              > me.
                              > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                              > slightest,
                              > > > the
                              > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                              > > count.
                              > > > And by
                              > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                              > > FANNIE
                              > > > mae,
                              > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                              One
                              > > > would
                              > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                              > money
                              > > > into
                              > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                              > > idea,
                              > > > and
                              > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                              damn
                              > > > things.
                              > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                              > > name
                              > > > for
                              > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                              > > > friends.
                              > > > > Good to see you're back.
                              > > > > Later...
                              > > > > Ted
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: masanga@
                              > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > [11-08-08]
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > Hi Ted,
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                              > > > to get
                              > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                              > > > eventually
                              > > > > > got
                              > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                              > me
                              > > in
                              > > > my
                              > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                              > days
                              > > > and was
                              > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                              this
                              > > > forum
                              > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                              > election
                              > > > of
                              > > > > > Barack
                              > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                              of
                              > > > them. The
                              > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                              > of
                              > > > joy in
                              > > > > > the
                              > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                              > new
                              > > > age has
                              > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                              > > > > > world-historic
                              > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                              > > here.
                              > > > Why
                              > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                              > > > election
                              > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                              > > > politicians
                              > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                              > view
                              > > > that
                              > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                              > > > constitutes
                              > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                              in
                              > > > the
                              > > > > > whole
                              > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                              Alfred
                              > > > > > Lambremont
                              > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                              > to
                              > > > remove
                              > > > > > the
                              > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                              > > anything
                              > > > > > myself
                              > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                              > either.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                              > > > found no
                              > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                              > myself
                              > > > from
                              > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                              > > > whenever I
                              > > > > > am
                              > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                              performed
                              > > > that
                              > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                              > don't
                              > > > want to
                              > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                              > spectacle
                              > > > may be.
                              > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                              > the
                              > > > Zeta -
                              > > > > > on
                              > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                              > those
                              > > > among us
                              > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                              > it.
                              > > > So my
                              > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                              > warning
                              > > in
                              > > > > > fact -
                              > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                              > cult-building
                              > > > > > activity
                              > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                              > > their
                              > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                              freedom
                              > to
                              > > > do
                              > > > > > that
                              > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                              > > > natural
                              > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                              > > > now
                              > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Warm regards,
                              > > > > > Regan
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > From: Ted
                              > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > > [11-08-08]
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                              > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                              > > > > > .
                              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > From: masanga@
                              > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > > [11-08-08]
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                              > > > words of
                              > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                              who
                              > is
                              > > > > >> reported
                              > > > > >> to have said:
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                              > > > > >> fantasies
                              > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Regan
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                              > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                              > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> written
                              > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                              > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                              > he
                              > > > did on
                              > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                              > out
                              > > > in his
                              > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                              the
                              > > new
                              > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                              > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                              shift?
                              > > The
                              > > > Zetas
                              > > > > >> have
                              > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                              I
                              > > > would
                              > > > > >> like
                              > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                              > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                              > X,
                              > > > and if
                              > > > > >> so
                              > > > > >> was
                              > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                              > > > Friday the
                              > > > > >> CNN
                              > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                              > > > "pause"
                              > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                              4th
                              > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                              > > declined
                              > > > to
                              > > > > >> comment.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                              > > consensus
                              > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                              > his
                              > > > heart
                              > > > > >> and
                              > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                              > > Obama
                              > > > looked
                              > > > > >> older
                              > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                              > the
                              > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                              > candidacy.
                              > > > Yet the
                              > > > > >> race
                              > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                              > > causing
                              > > > him
                              > > > > >> loss
                              > > > > >> of
                              > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                              not
                              > > > already
                              > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                              > world
                              > > > and
                              > > > > >> what
                              > > > > >> the
                              > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                              > also
                              > > > did not
                              > > > > >> learn
                              > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                              > > > company
                              > > > > >> crimes,
                              > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                              the
                              > > FBI
                              > > > and
                              > > > > >> the
                              > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                              > > > planetary
                              > > > > >> presence
                              > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                              He
                              > > had
                              > > > heard
                              > > > > >> the
                              > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                              > > relayed
                              > > > to
                              > > > > >> him
                              > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                              > > > confirmation.
                              > > > > >> Why would
                              > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                              > US
                              > > > > >> boundaries
                              > > > > >> are
                              > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                              > > cover-up,
                              > > > and
                              > > > > >> how
                              > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                              > > been
                              > > > > >> decided.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                              > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                              > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                              > options
                              > > > in the
                              > > > > >> future.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                              > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                              > beliefs?
                              > > He
                              > > > is
                              > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                              is
                              > > > Lincoln
                              > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                              > > > > >> figuratively?
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                              > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                              > > > recognize
                              > > > > >> early
                              > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                              > > case,
                              > > > he
                              > > > > >> was
                              > > > > >> a
                              > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                              > life
                              > > > > >> circumstances
                              > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                              > human
                              > > > body
                              > > > > >> and
                              > > > > >> mind
                              > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                              > > > conclusion
                              > > > > >> that
                              > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> The
                              > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Issue 104,
                              > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Election
                              > > > > >> Results
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> As predicted by
                              > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                              result,
                              > > > state by
                              > > > > >> state,
                              > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                              > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                              McCain
                              > > > ended up
                              > > > > >> in
                              > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                              > to
                              > > > the
                              > > > > >> actual
                              > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                              > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                              GOD
                              > is
                              > > > Not
                              > > > > >> MOCKED!
                              > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                              > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                              > > > > >
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