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  • Ted
    We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still ... From: To: Sent: Friday, November 14,
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
      We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <masanga@...>
      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:44 AM
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


      > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
      > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
      > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
      > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
      > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as
      > the
      > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
      > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
      > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able
      > to
      > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
      > them to be.
      >
      > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
      > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
      > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man,
      > I
      > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
      > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
      > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
      > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
      > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
      > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
      > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
      > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
      > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
      > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
      >
      > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of
      > the
      > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
      > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
      > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
      > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
      > free-market
      > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
      > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
      > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
      >
      > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
      > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
      > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
      > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
      > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
      > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture,
      > for
      > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
      > humanity
      > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama
      > and
      > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
      > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
      >
      > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
      > shift too.
      >
      > Cheers Ted,
      > Regan
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Ted
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
      > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
      > times.
      > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
      > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
      > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And
      > by
      > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
      >
      > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
      > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
      > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
      > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
      > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
      > things.
      > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
      > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
      > Good to see you're back.
      > Later...
      > Ted
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <masanga@...>
      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      >> Hi Ted,
      >>
      >> Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to
      >> get
      >> reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
      >> got
      >> back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
      >> In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and
      >> was
      >> struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
      >> although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
      >> Barack
      >> Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them.
      >> The
      >> masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
      >> the
      >> fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age
      >> has
      >> dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
      >> world-historic
      >> event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
      >> not? I found this puzzling.
      >>
      >> Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
      >> from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
      >> themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
      >> presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
      >> this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
      >> whole
      >> of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
      >> Lambremont
      >> Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
      >> the
      >> Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
      >> myself
      >> so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
      >>
      >> The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found
      >> no
      >> difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
      >> turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
      >> am
      >> confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
      >> service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want
      >> to
      >> get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may
      >> be.
      >> Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
      >> on
      >> the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among
      >> us
      >> who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
      >> response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
      >> fact -
      >> to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
      >> activity
      >> and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
      >> personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
      >> that
      >> if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
      >> consequences of doing it.
      >>
      >> I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
      >> made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
      >>
      >> Warm regards,
      >> Regan
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: Ted
      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      >> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >>
      >>
      >> So you're back with a vengeance
      >> Well I meant a quote.
      >> .
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: <masanga@...>
      >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >>
      >>
      >>> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
      >>> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
      >>> reported
      >>> to have said:
      >>>
      >>> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
      >>> fantasies
      >>> into the pit of destruction."
      >>>
      >>> Regan
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> ----- Original Message -----
      >>> From: nathaniel x vance
      >>> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com
      >>> ;
      >>> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com
      >>> ;
      >>> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
      >>> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> ZetaTalk:
      >>> GodlikeProduction Live
      >>>
      >>> written
      >>> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      >>>
      >>> Questioner: Obama
      >>> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
      >>> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
      >>> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
      >>> president, what does it mean for the
      >>> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
      >>> have
      >>> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
      >>> like
      >>> to ask the Zetas if on
      >>> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
      >>> so
      >>> was
      >>> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
      >>> CNN
      >>> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
      >>> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      >>> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
      >>> comment.
      >>>
      >>> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
      >>> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
      >>> and
      >>> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
      >>> looked
      >>> older
      >>> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      >>> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet
      >>> the
      >>> race
      >>> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
      >>> loss
      >>> of
      >>> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
      >>> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
      >>> what
      >>> the
      >>> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did
      >>> not
      >>> learn
      >>> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
      >>> crimes,
      >>> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
      >>> the
      >>> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
      >>> presence
      >>> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
      >>> the
      >>> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
      >>> him
      >>> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
      >>> confirmation.
      >>> Why would
      >>> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
      >>> boundaries
      >>> are
      >>> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
      >>> how
      >>> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
      >>> decided.
      >>>
      >>> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      >>> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      >>>
      >>> Zeta response: This
      >>> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
      >>> future.
      >>>
      >>> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      >>> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
      >>> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
      >>> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      >>> figuratively?
      >>>
      >>> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      >>> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
      >>> early
      >>> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
      >>> was
      >>> a
      >>> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      >>> circumstances
      >>> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
      >>> and
      >>> mind
      >>> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
      >>> that
      >>> they have a new soul within.
      >>>
      >>> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      >>>
      >>> The
      >>> ZetaTalk Newsletter
      >>>
      >>> Issue 104,
      >>> Sunday November 9, 2008
      >>>
      >>> Election
      >>> Results
      >>>
      >>> As predicted by
      >>> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
      >>> state,
      >>> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      >>> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
      >>> in
      >>> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
      >>> actual
      >>> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      >>> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      >>>
      >>> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      >>>
      >>> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
      >>> MOCKED!
      >>> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      >>> http://zetaheaven.org
      >>
      >>
      >> ------------------------------------
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------
      >
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
      >
      >
    • masanga@talktalk.net
      Dear Nathaniel, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
        Dear Nathaniel,

        "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain
        number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
        wicked...."

        Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes of our
        lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone else
        in this respect.

        ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would win
        despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."

        So did a lot of other people predict it too and without needing any
        "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the "seemingly
        insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He seemed to
        have a clear run to me.

        ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."

        Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible about
        that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.

        "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and praises
        to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted
        him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected
        around the clock 24/7!!"

        You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
        meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really in
        defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
        Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up to
        the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
        supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a system
        of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where the
        people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become the
        all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
        Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken office
        yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit for
        becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.

        "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She is
        doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness for the
        wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."

        I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as I see
        it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be as you
        say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
        transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I think she
        is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is independent
        of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting the
        existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the anonymous
        "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on sheer
        blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of the
        terms.

        ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed and
        sconld...."

        What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or scold
        her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially and
        objectively.

        "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
        intransigence...."

        How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to compromise" and
        to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us to
        make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder what
        they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think she
        cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price. But
        then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.

        "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance of
        the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
        Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."

        Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or
        is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
        statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which she has
        now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which you
        posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she can
        turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into an
        alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or even
        appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence? It is
        nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing to pay
        before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too high for
        me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
        picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
        perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
        ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a lie the
        next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
        appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.

        Regards,
        Regan


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: nathaniel x vance
        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


        Dear Regan, Ted,
        President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
        certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
        greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
        barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
        him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
        afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
        and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
        victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
        24/7!!
        I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
        is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
        for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
        righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
        and sconld.
        We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
        intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
        re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
        less!
        Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
        >
        > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
        > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
        at
        > times.
        > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
        > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
        the
        > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
        And by
        > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
        >
        > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
        mae,
        > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
        would
        > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
        into
        > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
        and
        > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
        things.
        > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
        for
        > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
        friends.
        > Good to see you're back.
        > Later...
        > Ted
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: masanga@...
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > > Hi Ted,
        > >
        > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
        to get
        > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
        eventually
        > > got
        > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
        my
        > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
        and was
        > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
        forum
        > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
        of
        > > Barack
        > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
        them. The
        > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
        joy in
        > > the
        > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
        age has
        > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
        > > world-historic
        > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
        Why
        > > not? I found this puzzling.
        > >
        > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
        election
        > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
        politicians
        > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
        that
        > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
        constitutes
        > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
        the
        > > whole
        > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
        > > Lambremont
        > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
        remove
        > > the
        > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
        > > myself
        > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
        > >
        > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
        found no
        > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
        from
        > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
        whenever I
        > > am
        > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
        that
        > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
        want to
        > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
        may be.
        > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
        Zeta -
        > > on
        > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
        among us
        > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
        So my
        > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
        > > fact -
        > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
        > > activity
        > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
        > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
        do
        > > that
        > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
        natural
        > > consequences of doing it.
        > >
        > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
        now
        > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
        > >
        > > Warm regards,
        > > Regan
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: Ted
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > > So you're back with a vengeance
        > > Well I meant a quote.
        > > .
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: masanga@...
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
        words of
        > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
        > >> reported
        > >> to have said:
        > >>
        > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
        > >> fantasies
        > >> into the pit of destruction."
        > >>
        > >> Regan
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ----- Original Message -----
        > >> From: nathaniel x vance
        > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
        TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
        ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
        earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ZetaTalk:
        > >> GodlikeProduction Live
        > >>
        > >> written
        > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Obama
        > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
        did on
        > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
        in his
        > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
        > >> president, what does it mean for the
        > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
        Zetas
        > >> have
        > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
        would
        > >> like
        > >> to ask the Zetas if on
        > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
        and if
        > >> so
        > >> was
        > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
        Friday the
        > >> CNN
        > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
        "pause"
        > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
        to
        > >> comment.
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
        > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
        heart
        > >> and
        > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
        looked
        > >> older
        > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
        Yet the
        > >> race
        > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
        him
        > >> loss
        > >> of
        > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
        already
        > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
        and
        > >> what
        > >> the
        > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
        did not
        > >> learn
        > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
        company
        > >> crimes,
        > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
        and
        > >> the
        > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
        planetary
        > >> presence
        > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
        heard
        > >> the
        > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
        to
        > >> him
        > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
        confirmation.
        > >> Why would
        > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
        > >> boundaries
        > >> are
        > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
        and
        > >> how
        > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
        > >> decided.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: This
        > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
        in the
        > >> future.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
        is
        > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
        Lincoln
        > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > >> figuratively?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
        recognize
        > >> early
        > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
        he
        > >> was
        > >> a
        > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        > >> circumstances
        > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
        body
        > >> and
        > >> mind
        > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
        conclusion
        > >> that
        > >> they have a new soul within.
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        > >>
        > >> The
        > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
        > >>
        > >> Issue 104,
        > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
        > >>
        > >> Election
        > >> Results
        > >>
        > >> As predicted by
        > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
        state by
        > >> state,
        > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
        ended up
        > >> in
        > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
        the
        > >> actual
        > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        > >>
        > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
        Not
        > >> MOCKED!
        > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > >> http://zetaheaven.org
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
      • nathaniel x vance
        Dear masanga, Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
          Dear masanga,
          Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
          must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
          rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
          of some kind of powerful medication?
          I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
          not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
          on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
          shouldn't be floating around up in there.
          My sympathy.

          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
          >
          > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
          Like
          > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
          especially
          > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
          not
          > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
          he
          > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
          as the
          > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
          > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
          powerful
          > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
          able to
          > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
          perceives
          > them to be.
          >
          > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
          probably
          > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
          his
          > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
          man, I
          > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
          in
          > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
          > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
          of
          > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
          > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
          > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
          that
          > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
          > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
          saviour
          > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
          can
          > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
          >
          > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
          of the
          > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
          problem
          > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
          that is
          > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
          > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
          free-market
          > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
          intelligent
          > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
          collective
          > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
          >
          > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
          worshipping
          > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
          in
          > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
          > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
          > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
          underlie
          > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
          torture, for
          > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
          humanity
          > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
          Obama and
          > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
          identified
          > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
          >
          > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
          pole
          > shift too.
          >
          > Cheers Ted,
          > Regan
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Ted
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
          at
          > times.
          > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
          > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
          the
          > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
          And by
          > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
          >
          > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
          mae,
          > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
          would
          > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
          into
          > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
          and
          > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
          things.
          > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
          for
          > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
          friends.
          > Good to see you're back.
          > Later...
          > Ted
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: masanga@...
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > > Hi Ted,
          > >
          > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
          to get
          > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
          eventually
          > > got
          > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
          my
          > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
          and was
          > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
          forum
          > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
          of
          > > Barack
          > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
          them. The
          > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
          joy in
          > > the
          > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
          age has
          > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          > > world-historic
          > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
          Why
          > > not? I found this puzzling.
          > >
          > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
          election
          > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
          politicians
          > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
          that
          > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
          constitutes
          > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
          the
          > > whole
          > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          > > Lambremont
          > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
          remove
          > > the
          > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
          > > myself
          > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
          > >
          > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
          found no
          > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
          from
          > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
          whenever I
          > > am
          > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
          that
          > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
          want to
          > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
          may be.
          > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
          Zeta -
          > > on
          > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
          among us
          > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
          So my
          > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
          > > fact -
          > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
          > > activity
          > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
          > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
          do
          > > that
          > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
          natural
          > > consequences of doing it.
          > >
          > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
          now
          > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          > >
          > > Warm regards,
          > > Regan
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: Ted
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > > So you're back with a vengeance
          > > Well I meant a quote.
          > > .
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: masanga@...
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
          words of
          > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
          > >> reported
          > >> to have said:
          > >>
          > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          > >> fantasies
          > >> into the pit of destruction."
          > >>
          > >> Regan
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> ----- Original Message -----
          > >> From: nathaniel x vance
          > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
          TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
          ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
          earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> ZetaTalk:
          > >> GodlikeProduction Live
          > >>
          > >> written
          > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          > >>
          > >> Questioner: Obama
          > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
          did on
          > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
          in his
          > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
          > >> president, what does it mean for the
          > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
          Zetas
          > >> have
          > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
          would
          > >> like
          > >> to ask the Zetas if on
          > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
          and if
          > >> so
          > >> was
          > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
          Friday the
          > >> CNN
          > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
          "pause"
          > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
          to
          > >> comment.
          > >>
          > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
          > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
          heart
          > >> and
          > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
          looked
          > >> older
          > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
          > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
          Yet the
          > >> race
          > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
          him
          > >> loss
          > >> of
          > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
          already
          > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
          and
          > >> what
          > >> the
          > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
          did not
          > >> learn
          > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
          company
          > >> crimes,
          > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
          and
          > >> the
          > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
          planetary
          > >> presence
          > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
          heard
          > >> the
          > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
          to
          > >> him
          > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
          confirmation.
          > >> Why would
          > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
          > >> boundaries
          > >> are
          > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
          and
          > >> how
          > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
          > >> decided.
          > >>
          > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          > >>
          > >> Zeta response: This
          > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
          in the
          > >> future.
          > >>
          > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
          is
          > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
          Lincoln
          > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          > >> figuratively?
          > >>
          > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
          recognize
          > >> early
          > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
          he
          > >> was
          > >> a
          > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
          > >> circumstances
          > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
          body
          > >> and
          > >> mind
          > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
          conclusion
          > >> that
          > >> they have a new soul within.
          > >>
          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          > >>
          > >> The
          > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          > >>
          > >> Issue 104,
          > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          > >>
          > >> Election
          > >> Results
          > >>
          > >> As predicted by
          > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
          state by
          > >> state,
          > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
          ended up
          > >> in
          > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
          the
          > >> actual
          > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          > >>
          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          > >>
          > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
          Not
          > >> MOCKED!
          > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          > >> http://zetaheaven.org
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------------------------------
          >
        • nathaniel x vance
          Dear masanga, I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of seven.
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
            Dear masanga,
            I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
            your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
            seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
            crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
            your answer be?
            Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
            someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
            you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
            UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
            to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
            his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
            would qualify.
            As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
            level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
            Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
            >
            > Dear Nathaniel,
            >
            > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            certain
            > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
            > wicked...."
            >
            > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
            of our
            > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
            else
            > in this respect.
            >
            > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
            win
            > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
            >
            > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
            needing any
            > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
            "seemingly
            > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
            seemed to
            > have a clear run to me.
            >
            > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
            >
            > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
            about
            > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
            >
            > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
            praises
            > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
            asssisted
            > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
            protected
            > around the clock 24/7!!"
            >
            > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
            > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
            in
            > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
            > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
            to
            > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
            > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
            system
            > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
            the
            > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
            the
            > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
            > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
            office
            > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
            for
            > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
            >
            > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
            She is
            > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
            for the
            > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
            >
            > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
            I see
            > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
            as you
            > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
            > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
            think she
            > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
            independent
            > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
            the
            > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
            anonymous
            > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
            sheer
            > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
            the
            > terms.
            >
            > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
            and
            > sconld...."
            >
            > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
            scold
            > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
            and
            > objectively.
            >
            > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
            morbid
            > intransigence...."
            >
            > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
            compromise" and
            > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
            to
            > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
            what
            > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
            she
            > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
            But
            > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
            >
            > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
            of
            > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
            > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
            >
            > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
            we? Or
            > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
            > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
            she has
            > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
            you
            > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
            can
            > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
            an
            > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
            even
            > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
            It is
            > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
            to pay
            > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
            high for
            > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
            > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
            > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
            > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
            lie the
            > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
            > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
            >
            > Regards,
            > Regan
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: nathaniel x vance
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > Dear Regan, Ted,
            > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
            > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
            > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
            > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
            > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
            > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
            this
            > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
            > 24/7!!
            > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
            > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
            consciousness
            > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
            > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
            > and sconld.
            > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
            > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
            or
            > less!
            > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
            >
            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
            > >
            > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
            bitch
            > at
            > > times.
            > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
            > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
            > the
            > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
            count.
            > And by
            > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
            > >
            > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
            FANNIE
            > mae,
            > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
            > would
            > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
            > into
            > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
            idea,
            > and
            > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
            > things.
            > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
            name
            > for
            > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
            > friends.
            > > Good to see you're back.
            > > Later...
            > > Ted
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: masanga@
            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >
            > >
            > > > Hi Ted,
            > > >
            > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
            > to get
            > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
            > eventually
            > > > got
            > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
            in
            > my
            > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
            > and was
            > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
            > forum
            > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
            > of
            > > > Barack
            > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
            > them. The
            > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
            > joy in
            > > > the
            > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
            > age has
            > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            > > > world-historic
            > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
            here.
            > Why
            > > > not? I found this puzzling.
            > > >
            > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
            > election
            > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
            > politicians
            > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
            > that
            > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
            > constitutes
            > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
            > the
            > > > whole
            > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            > > > Lambremont
            > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
            > remove
            > > > the
            > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
            anything
            > > > myself
            > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
            > > >
            > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
            > found no
            > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
            > from
            > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
            > whenever I
            > > > am
            > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
            > that
            > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
            > want to
            > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
            > may be.
            > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
            > Zeta -
            > > > on
            > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
            > among us
            > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
            > So my
            > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
            in
            > > > fact -
            > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
            > > > activity
            > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
            their
            > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
            > do
            > > > that
            > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
            > natural
            > > > consequences of doing it.
            > > >
            > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
            > now
            > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            > > >
            > > > Warm regards,
            > > > Regan
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > From: Ted
            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            [11-08-08]
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > So you're back with a vengeance
            > > > Well I meant a quote.
            > > > .
            > > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > > From: masanga@
            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
            [11-08-08]
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
            > words of
            > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
            > > >> reported
            > > >> to have said:
            > > >>
            > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            > > >> fantasies
            > > >> into the pit of destruction."
            > > >>
            > > >> Regan
            > > >>
            > > >>
            > > >> ----- Original Message -----
            > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
            > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
            > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
            > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
            > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > > >>
            > > >>
            > > >>
            > > >>
            > > >> ZetaTalk:
            > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
            > > >>
            > > >> written
            > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            > > >>
            > > >> Questioner: Obama
            > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
            > did on
            > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
            > in his
            > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
            new
            > > >> president, what does it mean for the
            > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
            The
            > Zetas
            > > >> have
            > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
            > would
            > > >> like
            > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
            > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
            > and if
            > > >> so
            > > >> was
            > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
            > Friday the
            > > >> CNN
            > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
            > "pause"
            > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
            declined
            > to
            > > >> comment.
            > > >>
            > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
            consensus
            > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
            > heart
            > > >> and
            > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
            Obama
            > looked
            > > >> older
            > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
            > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
            > Yet the
            > > >> race
            > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
            causing
            > him
            > > >> loss
            > > >> of
            > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
            > already
            > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
            > and
            > > >> what
            > > >> the
            > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
            > did not
            > > >> learn
            > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
            > company
            > > >> crimes,
            > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
            FBI
            > and
            > > >> the
            > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
            > planetary
            > > >> presence
            > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
            had
            > heard
            > > >> the
            > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
            relayed
            > to
            > > >> him
            > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
            > confirmation.
            > > >> Why would
            > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
            > > >> boundaries
            > > >> are
            > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
            cover-up,
            > and
            > > >> how
            > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
            been
            > > >> decided.
            > > >>
            > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            > > >>
            > > >> Zeta response: This
            > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
            > in the
            > > >> future.
            > > >>
            > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
            He
            > is
            > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
            > Lincoln
            > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            > > >> figuratively?
            > > >>
            > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
            > recognize
            > > >> early
            > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
            case,
            > he
            > > >> was
            > > >> a
            > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
            > > >> circumstances
            > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
            > body
            > > >> and
            > > >> mind
            > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
            > conclusion
            > > >> that
            > > >> they have a new soul within.
            > > >>
            > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            > > >>
            > > >> The
            > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            > > >>
            > > >> Issue 104,
            > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            > > >>
            > > >> Election
            > > >> Results
            > > >>
            > > >> As predicted by
            > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
            > state by
            > > >> state,
            > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
            > ended up
            > > >> in
            > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
            > the
            > > >> actual
            > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            > > >>
            > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            > > >>
            > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
            > Not
            > > >> MOCKED!
            > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > ------------------------------------
            >



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          • masanga@talktalk.net
            Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
              Nathaniel,

              The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
              situation. You are evading the issue.

              Regan


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: nathaniel x vance
              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              Dear masanga,
              Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
              must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
              rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
              of some kind of powerful medication?
              I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
              not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
              on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
              shouldn't be floating around up in there.
              My sympathy.

              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
              >
              > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
              Like
              > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
              especially
              > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
              not
              > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
              he
              > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
              as the
              > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
              > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
              powerful
              > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
              able to
              > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
              perceives
              > them to be.
              >
              > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
              probably
              > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
              his
              > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
              man, I
              > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
              in
              > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
              > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
              of
              > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
              > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
              > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
              that
              > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
              > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
              saviour
              > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
              can
              > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
              >
              > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
              of the
              > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
              problem
              > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
              that is
              > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
              > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
              free-market
              > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
              intelligent
              > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
              collective
              > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
              >
              > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
              worshipping
              > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
              in
              > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
              > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
              > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
              underlie
              > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
              torture, for
              > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
              humanity
              > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
              Obama and
              > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
              identified
              > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
              >
              > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
              pole
              > shift too.
              >
              > Cheers Ted,
              > Regan
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Ted
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
              at
              > times.
              > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
              > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
              the
              > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
              And by
              > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              >
              > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
              mae,
              > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              would
              > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
              into
              > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
              and
              > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              things.
              > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
              for
              > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              friends.
              > Good to see you're back.
              > Later...
              > Ted
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: masanga@...
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > > Hi Ted,
              > >
              > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              to get
              > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              eventually
              > > got
              > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
              my
              > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
              and was
              > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              forum
              > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
              of
              > > Barack
              > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              them. The
              > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
              joy in
              > > the
              > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
              age has
              > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              > > world-historic
              > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
              Why
              > > not? I found this puzzling.
              > >
              > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              election
              > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              politicians
              > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
              that
              > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              constitutes
              > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              the
              > > whole
              > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              > > Lambremont
              > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
              remove
              > > the
              > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
              > > myself
              > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
              > >
              > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              found no
              > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
              from
              > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              whenever I
              > > am
              > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              that
              > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
              want to
              > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
              may be.
              > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
              Zeta -
              > > on
              > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
              among us
              > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
              So my
              > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
              > > fact -
              > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
              > > activity
              > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
              > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
              do
              > > that
              > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              natural
              > > consequences of doing it.
              > >
              > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              now
              > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              > >
              > > Warm regards,
              > > Regan
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: Ted
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > > So you're back with a vengeance
              > > Well I meant a quote.
              > > .
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: masanga@...
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              words of
              > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
              > >> reported
              > >> to have said:
              > >>
              > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              > >> fantasies
              > >> into the pit of destruction."
              > >>
              > >> Regan
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> ----- Original Message -----
              > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> ZetaTalk:
              > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              > >>
              > >> written
              > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: Obama
              > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
              did on
              > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
              in his
              > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
              > >> president, what does it mean for the
              > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
              Zetas
              > >> have
              > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              would
              > >> like
              > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
              and if
              > >> so
              > >> was
              > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              Friday the
              > >> CNN
              > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              "pause"
              > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
              to
              > >> comment.
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
              > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
              heart
              > >> and
              > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
              looked
              > >> older
              > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
              > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
              Yet the
              > >> race
              > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
              him
              > >> loss
              > >> of
              > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              already
              > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
              and
              > >> what
              > >> the
              > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
              did not
              > >> learn
              > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              company
              > >> crimes,
              > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
              and
              > >> the
              > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              planetary
              > >> presence
              > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
              heard
              > >> the
              > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
              to
              > >> him
              > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              confirmation.
              > >> Why would
              > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
              > >> boundaries
              > >> are
              > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
              and
              > >> how
              > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
              > >> decided.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: This
              > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
              in the
              > >> future.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
              is
              > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              Lincoln
              > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              > >> figuratively?
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              recognize
              > >> early
              > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
              he
              > >> was
              > >> a
              > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
              > >> circumstances
              > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
              body
              > >> and
              > >> mind
              > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              conclusion
              > >> that
              > >> they have a new soul within.
              > >>
              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              > >>
              > >> The
              > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              > >>
              > >> Issue 104,
              > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              > >>
              > >> Election
              > >> Results
              > >>
              > >> As predicted by
              > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              state by
              > >> state,
              > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              ended up
              > >> in
              > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
              the
              > >> actual
              > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              > >>
              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              > >>
              > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
              Not
              > >> MOCKED!
              > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------------------------------
            • masanga@talktalk.net
              Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                Nathaniel,

                I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
                mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
                unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
                and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
                they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
                that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
                Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
                come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
                this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
                and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
                to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
                down to absolute zero in time.

                I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
                from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
                want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
                first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
                that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

                Sincerely,
                Regan (masanga)


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: nathaniel x vance
                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                Dear masanga,
                I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                your answer be?
                Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                would qualify.
                As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                >
                > Dear Nathaniel,
                >
                > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                certain
                > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                > wicked...."
                >
                > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                of our
                > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                else
                > in this respect.
                >
                > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                win
                > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                >
                > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                needing any
                > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                "seemingly
                > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                seemed to
                > have a clear run to me.
                >
                > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                >
                > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                about
                > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                >
                > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                praises
                > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                asssisted
                > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                protected
                > around the clock 24/7!!"
                >
                > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                in
                > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                to
                > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                system
                > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                the
                > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                the
                > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                office
                > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                for
                > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                >
                > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                She is
                > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                for the
                > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                >
                > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                I see
                > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                as you
                > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                think she
                > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                independent
                > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                the
                > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                anonymous
                > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                sheer
                > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                the
                > terms.
                >
                > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                and
                > sconld...."
                >
                > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                scold
                > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                and
                > objectively.
                >
                > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                morbid
                > intransigence...."
                >
                > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                compromise" and
                > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                to
                > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                what
                > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                she
                > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                But
                > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                >
                > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                of
                > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                >
                > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                we? Or
                > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                she has
                > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                you
                > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                can
                > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                an
                > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                even
                > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                It is
                > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                to pay
                > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                high for
                > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                lie the
                > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                >
                > Regards,
                > Regan
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: nathaniel x vance
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > Dear Regan, Ted,
                > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                this
                > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                > 24/7!!
                > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                consciousness
                > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                > and sconld.
                > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                or
                > less!
                > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                >
                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                > >
                > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                bitch
                > at
                > > times.
                > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                > the
                > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                count.
                > And by
                > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                > >
                > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                FANNIE
                > mae,
                > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                > would
                > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                > into
                > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                idea,
                > and
                > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                > things.
                > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                name
                > for
                > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                > friends.
                > > Good to see you're back.
                > > Later...
                > > Ted
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: masanga@
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > > > Hi Ted,
                > > >
                > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                > to get
                > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                > eventually
                > > > got
                > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                in
                > my
                > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                > and was
                > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                > forum
                > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                > of
                > > > Barack
                > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                > them. The
                > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                > joy in
                > > > the
                > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                > age has
                > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                > > > world-historic
                > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                here.
                > Why
                > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                > > >
                > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                > election
                > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                > politicians
                > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                > that
                > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                > constitutes
                > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                > the
                > > > whole
                > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                > > > Lambremont
                > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                > remove
                > > > the
                > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                anything
                > > > myself
                > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                > > >
                > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                > found no
                > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                > from
                > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                > whenever I
                > > > am
                > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                > that
                > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                > want to
                > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                > may be.
                > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                > Zeta -
                > > > on
                > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                > among us
                > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                > So my
                > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                in
                > > > fact -
                > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                > > > activity
                > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                their
                > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                > do
                > > > that
                > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                > natural
                > > > consequences of doing it.
                > > >
                > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                > now
                > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                > > >
                > > > Warm regards,
                > > > Regan
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: Ted
                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                [11-08-08]
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                > > > Well I meant a quote.
                > > > .
                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > > From: masanga@
                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                [11-08-08]
                > > >
                > > >
                > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                > words of
                > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                > > >> reported
                > > >> to have said:
                > > >>
                > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                > > >> fantasies
                > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                > > >>
                > > >> Regan
                > > >>
                > > >>
                > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > > >>
                > > >>
                > > >>
                > > >>
                > > >> ZetaTalk:
                > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                > > >>
                > > >> written
                > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                > > >>
                > > >> Questioner: Obama
                > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                > did on
                > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                > in his
                > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                new
                > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                The
                > Zetas
                > > >> have
                > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                > would
                > > >> like
                > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                > and if
                > > >> so
                > > >> was
                > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                > Friday the
                > > >> CNN
                > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                > "pause"
                > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                declined
                > to
                > > >> comment.
                > > >>
                > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                consensus
                > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                > heart
                > > >> and
                > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                Obama
                > looked
                > > >> older
                > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                > Yet the
                > > >> race
                > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                causing
                > him
                > > >> loss
                > > >> of
                > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                > already
                > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                > and
                > > >> what
                > > >> the
                > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                > did not
                > > >> learn
                > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                > company
                > > >> crimes,
                > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                FBI
                > and
                > > >> the
                > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                > planetary
                > > >> presence
                > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                had
                > heard
                > > >> the
                > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                relayed
                > to
                > > >> him
                > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                > confirmation.
                > > >> Why would
                > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                > > >> boundaries
                > > >> are
                > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                cover-up,
                > and
                > > >> how
                > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                been
                > > >> decided.
                > > >>
                > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                > > >>
                > > >> Zeta response: This
                > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                > in the
                > > >> future.
                > > >>
                > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                He
                > is
                > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                > Lincoln
                > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                > > >> figuratively?
                > > >>
                > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                > recognize
                > > >> early
                > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                case,
                > he
                > > >> was
                > > >> a
                > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                > > >> circumstances
                > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                > body
                > > >> and
                > > >> mind
                > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                > conclusion
                > > >> that
                > > >> they have a new soul within.
                > > >>
                > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                > > >>
                > > >> The
                > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                > > >>
                > > >> Issue 104,
                > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                > > >>
                > > >> Election
                > > >> Results
                > > >>
                > > >> As predicted by
                > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                > state by
                > > >> state,
                > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                > ended up
                > > >> in
                > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                > the
                > > >> actual
                > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                > > >>
                > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                > > >>
                > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                > Not
                > > >> MOCKED!
                > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                > > >
                > > >
                > > > ------------------------------------
              • nathaniel x vance
                masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                  masanga,
                  Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                  what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                  masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                  you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                  At any rate, I wish you well.

                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Nathaniel,
                  >
                  > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                  that my
                  > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                  great
                  > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                  > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                  knowledge,
                  > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                  desires,
                  > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                  as
                  > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                  > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                  said
                  > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                  And
                  > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                  children to
                  > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                  for
                  > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                  long
                  > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                  > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                  encouragement
                  > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                  mental age
                  > down to absolute zero in time.
                  >
                  > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                  break
                  > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                  don't
                  > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                  in the
                  > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                  suggest
                  > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                  >
                  > Sincerely,
                  > Regan (masanga)
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > Dear masanga,
                  > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                  > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                  > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                  > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                  would
                  > your answer be?
                  > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                  > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                  Can
                  > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                  a
                  > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                  > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                  Obama,
                  > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                  earth
                  > would qualify.
                  > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                  > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                  > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                  >
                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Dear Nathaniel,
                  > >
                  > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  > certain
                  > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                  > > wicked...."
                  > >
                  > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                  > of our
                  > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                  anyone
                  > else
                  > > in this respect.
                  > >
                  > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                  would
                  > win
                  > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                  > >
                  > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                  > needing any
                  > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                  > "seemingly
                  > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                  > seemed to
                  > > have a clear run to me.
                  > >
                  > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                  > >
                  > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                  > about
                  > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                  > >
                  > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                  > praises
                  > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                  > asssisted
                  > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                  > protected
                  > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                  > >
                  > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                  > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                  > in
                  > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                  > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                  up
                  > to
                  > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                  is
                  > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                  > system
                  > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                  where
                  > the
                  > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                  > the
                  > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                  "Emperor").
                  > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                  > office
                  > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                  > for
                  > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                  > >
                  > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  > She is
                  > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                  > for the
                  > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                  > >
                  > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                  > I see
                  > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                  > as you
                  > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                  > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                  > think she
                  > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                  > independent
                  > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                  > the
                  > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                  > anonymous
                  > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                  > sheer
                  > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                  > the
                  > > terms.
                  > >
                  > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                  > and
                  > > sconld...."
                  > >
                  > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                  > scold
                  > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                  > and
                  > > objectively.
                  > >
                  > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  > morbid
                  > > intransigence...."
                  > >
                  > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                  > compromise" and
                  > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                  us
                  > to
                  > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                  > what
                  > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                  > she
                  > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                  price.
                  > But
                  > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                  > >
                  > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  re-appearance
                  > of
                  > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                  > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  arguments."
                  > >
                  > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                  > we? Or
                  > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                  > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                  > she has
                  > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                  which
                  > you
                  > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                  > can
                  > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                  > an
                  > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                  > even
                  > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                  > It is
                  > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                  > to pay
                  > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                  > high for
                  > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                  > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                  own
                  > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                  > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                  > lie the
                  > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                  > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                  > >
                  > > Regards,
                  > > Regan
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                  > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                  > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                  the
                  > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                  > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                  > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                  be
                  > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                  team
                  > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                  > this
                  > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                  clock
                  > > 24/7!!
                  > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  She
                  > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  > consciousness
                  > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                  rediculed
                  > > and sconld.
                  > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                  > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                  > or
                  > > less!
                  > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                  arguments.
                  > >
                  > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                  > bitch
                  > > at
                  > > > times.
                  > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                  me.
                  > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                  slightest,
                  > > the
                  > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                  > count.
                  > > And by
                  > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  > > >
                  > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                  > FANNIE
                  > > mae,
                  > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                  > > would
                  > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                  money
                  > > into
                  > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                  > idea,
                  > > and
                  > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                  > > things.
                  > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                  > name
                  > > for
                  > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  > > friends.
                  > > > Good to see you're back.
                  > > > Later...
                  > > > Ted
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: masanga@
                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > > Hi Ted,
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  > > to get
                  > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  > > eventually
                  > > > > got
                  > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                  me
                  > in
                  > > my
                  > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                  days
                  > > and was
                  > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                  > > forum
                  > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                  election
                  > > of
                  > > > > Barack
                  > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                  > > them. The
                  > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                  of
                  > > joy in
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                  new
                  > > age has
                  > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  > > > > world-historic
                  > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                  > here.
                  > > Why
                  > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  > > election
                  > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  > > politicians
                  > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                  view
                  > > that
                  > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  > > constitutes
                  > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                  > > the
                  > > > > whole
                  > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  > > > > Lambremont
                  > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                  to
                  > > remove
                  > > > > the
                  > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                  > anything
                  > > > > myself
                  > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                  either.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  > > found no
                  > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                  myself
                  > > from
                  > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  > > whenever I
                  > > > > am
                  > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                  > > that
                  > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                  don't
                  > > want to
                  > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                  spectacle
                  > > may be.
                  > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                  the
                  > > Zeta -
                  > > > > on
                  > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                  those
                  > > among us
                  > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                  it.
                  > > So my
                  > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                  warning
                  > in
                  > > > > fact -
                  > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                  cult-building
                  > > > > activity
                  > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                  > their
                  > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                  to
                  > > do
                  > > > > that
                  > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  > > natural
                  > > > > consequences of doing it.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  > > now
                  > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > Warm regards,
                  > > > > Regan
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: Ted
                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > [11-08-08]
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                  > > > > .
                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > > From: masanga@
                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  > [11-08-08]
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  > > words of
                  > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                  is
                  > > > >> reported
                  > > > >> to have said:
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  > > > >> fantasies
                  > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Regan
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                  > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> written
                  > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                  > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                  he
                  > > did on
                  > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                  out
                  > > in his
                  > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                  > new
                  > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                  > The
                  > > Zetas
                  > > > >> have
                  > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                  > > would
                  > > > >> like
                  > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                  X,
                  > > and if
                  > > > >> so
                  > > > >> was
                  > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                  > > Friday the
                  > > > >> CNN
                  > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  > > "pause"
                  > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                  > declined
                  > > to
                  > > > >> comment.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                  > consensus
                  > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                  his
                  > > heart
                  > > > >> and
                  > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                  > Obama
                  > > looked
                  > > > >> older
                  > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                  the
                  > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                  candidacy.
                  > > Yet the
                  > > > >> race
                  > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                  > causing
                  > > him
                  > > > >> loss
                  > > > >> of
                  > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                  > > already
                  > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                  world
                  > > and
                  > > > >> what
                  > > > >> the
                  > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                  also
                  > > did not
                  > > > >> learn
                  > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                  > > company
                  > > > >> crimes,
                  > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                  > FBI
                  > > and
                  > > > >> the
                  > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  > > planetary
                  > > > >> presence
                  > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                  > had
                  > > heard
                  > > > >> the
                  > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                  > relayed
                  > > to
                  > > > >> him
                  > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  > > confirmation.
                  > > > >> Why would
                  > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                  US
                  > > > >> boundaries
                  > > > >> are
                  > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                  > cover-up,
                  > > and
                  > > > >> how
                  > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                  > been
                  > > > >> decided.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Zeta response: This
                  > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                  options
                  > > in the
                  > > > >> future.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                  beliefs?
                  > He
                  > > is
                  > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                  > > Lincoln
                  > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  > > > >> figuratively?
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  > > recognize
                  > > > >> early
                  > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                  > case,
                  > > he
                  > > > >> was
                  > > > >> a
                  > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                  life
                  > > > >> circumstances
                  > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                  human
                  > > body
                  > > > >> and
                  > > > >> mind
                  > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  > > conclusion
                  > > > >> that
                  > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> The
                  > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Issue 104,
                  > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> Election
                  > > > >> Results
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> As predicted by
                  > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                  > > state by
                  > > > >> state,
                  > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                  > > ended up
                  > > > >> in
                  > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                  to
                  > > the
                  > > > >> actual
                  > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  > > > >>
                  > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                  is
                  > > Not
                  > > > >> MOCKED!
                  > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  > > > >
                  > > > >
                  > > > > ------------------------------------
                  >
                • masanga@talktalk.net
                  Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                    Nathaniel,

                    Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

                    You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                    Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
                    me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                    whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                    multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                    must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                    only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

                    Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                    commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                    acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                    view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
                    can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

                    But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                    know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
                    it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
                    me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                    business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                    commission without concerning myself with his too.

                    Regan (masanga)


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: nathaniel x vance
                    To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                    Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                    masanga,
                    Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                    what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                    masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                    you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                    At any rate, I wish you well.

                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Nathaniel,
                    >
                    > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                    that my
                    > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                    great
                    > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                    > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                    knowledge,
                    > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                    desires,
                    > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                    as
                    > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                    > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                    said
                    > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                    And
                    > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                    children to
                    > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                    for
                    > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                    long
                    > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                    > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                    encouragement
                    > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                    mental age
                    > down to absolute zero in time.
                    >
                    > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                    break
                    > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                    don't
                    > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                    in the
                    > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                    suggest
                    > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                    >
                    > Sincerely,
                    > Regan (masanga)
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > Dear masanga,
                    > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                    > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                    > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                    > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                    would
                    > your answer be?
                    > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                    > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                    Can
                    > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                    a
                    > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                    > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                    Obama,
                    > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                    earth
                    > would qualify.
                    > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                    > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                    > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                    >
                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Dear Nathaniel,
                    > >
                    > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    > certain
                    > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                    > > wicked...."
                    > >
                    > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                    > of our
                    > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                    anyone
                    > else
                    > > in this respect.
                    > >
                    > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                    would
                    > win
                    > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                    > >
                    > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                    > needing any
                    > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                    > "seemingly
                    > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                    > seemed to
                    > > have a clear run to me.
                    > >
                    > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                    > >
                    > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                    > about
                    > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                    > >
                    > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                    > praises
                    > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                    > asssisted
                    > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                    > protected
                    > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                    > >
                    > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                    > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                    > in
                    > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                    > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                    up
                    > to
                    > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                    is
                    > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                    > system
                    > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                    where
                    > the
                    > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                    > the
                    > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                    "Emperor").
                    > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                    > office
                    > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                    > for
                    > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                    > >
                    > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    > She is
                    > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                    > for the
                    > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                    > >
                    > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                    > I see
                    > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                    > as you
                    > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                    > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                    > think she
                    > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                    > independent
                    > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                    > the
                    > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                    > anonymous
                    > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                    > sheer
                    > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                    > the
                    > > terms.
                    > >
                    > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                    > and
                    > > sconld...."
                    > >
                    > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                    > scold
                    > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                    > and
                    > > objectively.
                    > >
                    > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    > morbid
                    > > intransigence...."
                    > >
                    > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                    > compromise" and
                    > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                    us
                    > to
                    > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                    > what
                    > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                    > she
                    > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                    price.
                    > But
                    > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                    > >
                    > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    re-appearance
                    > of
                    > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                    > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    arguments."
                    > >
                    > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                    > we? Or
                    > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                    > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                    > she has
                    > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                    which
                    > you
                    > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                    > can
                    > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                    > an
                    > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                    > even
                    > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                    > It is
                    > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                    > to pay
                    > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                    > high for
                    > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                    > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                    own
                    > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                    > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                    > lie the
                    > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                    > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                    > >
                    > > Regards,
                    > > Regan
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                    > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                    > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                    the
                    > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                    > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                    > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                    be
                    > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                    team
                    > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                    > this
                    > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                    clock
                    > > 24/7!!
                    > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    She
                    > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    > consciousness
                    > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    rediculed
                    > > and sconld.
                    > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                    > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                    > or
                    > > less!
                    > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    arguments.
                    > >
                    > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                    > bitch
                    > > at
                    > > > times.
                    > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                    me.
                    > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                    slightest,
                    > > the
                    > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                    > count.
                    > > And by
                    > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    > > >
                    > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                    > FANNIE
                    > > mae,
                    > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                    > > would
                    > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                    money
                    > > into
                    > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                    > idea,
                    > > and
                    > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                    > > things.
                    > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                    > name
                    > > for
                    > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    > > friends.
                    > > > Good to see you're back.
                    > > > Later...
                    > > > Ted
                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > From: masanga@
                    > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > > Hi Ted,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    > > to get
                    > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    > > eventually
                    > > > > got
                    > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                    me
                    > in
                    > > my
                    > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                    days
                    > > and was
                    > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                    > > forum
                    > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                    election
                    > > of
                    > > > > Barack
                    > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                    > > them. The
                    > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                    of
                    > > joy in
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                    new
                    > > age has
                    > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    > > > > world-historic
                    > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                    > here.
                    > > Why
                    > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    > > election
                    > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    > > politicians
                    > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                    view
                    > > that
                    > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    > > constitutes
                    > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                    > > the
                    > > > > whole
                    > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                    > > > > Lambremont
                    > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                    to
                    > > remove
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                    > anything
                    > > > > myself
                    > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                    either.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    > > found no
                    > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                    myself
                    > > from
                    > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    > > whenever I
                    > > > > am
                    > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                    > > that
                    > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                    don't
                    > > want to
                    > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                    spectacle
                    > > may be.
                    > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                    the
                    > > Zeta -
                    > > > > on
                    > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                    those
                    > > among us
                    > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                    it.
                    > > So my
                    > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                    warning
                    > in
                    > > > > fact -
                    > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                    cult-building
                    > > > > activity
                    > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                    > their
                    > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                    to
                    > > do
                    > > > > that
                    > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    > > natural
                    > > > > consequences of doing it.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    > > now
                    > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Warm regards,
                    > > > > Regan
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > From: Ted
                    > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > [11-08-08]
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                    > > > > .
                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > From: masanga@
                    > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > [11-08-08]
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    > > words of
                    > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                    is
                    > > > >> reported
                    > > > >> to have said:
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    > > > >> fantasies
                    > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Regan
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                    > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> written
                    > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                    > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                    he
                    > > did on
                    > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                    out
                    > > in his
                    > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                    > new
                    > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                    > The
                    > > Zetas
                    > > > >> have
                    > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                    > > would
                    > > > >> like
                    > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                    X,
                    > > and if
                    > > > >> so
                    > > > >> was
                    > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                    > > Friday the
                    > > > >> CNN
                    > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    > > "pause"
                    > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                    > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                    > declined
                    > > to
                    > > > >> comment.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                    > consensus
                    > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                    his
                    > > heart
                    > > > >> and
                    > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                    > Obama
                    > > looked
                    > > > >> older
                    > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                    the
                    > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                    candidacy.
                    > > Yet the
                    > > > >> race
                    > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                    > causing
                    > > him
                    > > > >> loss
                    > > > >> of
                    > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                    > > already
                    > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                    world
                    > > and
                    > > > >> what
                    > > > >> the
                    > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                    also
                    > > did not
                    > > > >> learn
                    > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                    > > company
                    > > > >> crimes,
                    > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                    > FBI
                    > > and
                    > > > >> the
                    > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    > > planetary
                    > > > >> presence
                    > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                    > had
                    > > heard
                    > > > >> the
                    > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                    > relayed
                    > > to
                    > > > >> him
                    > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    > > confirmation.
                    > > > >> Why would
                    > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                    US
                    > > > >> boundaries
                    > > > >> are
                    > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                    > cover-up,
                    > > and
                    > > > >> how
                    > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                    > been
                    > > > >> decided.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Zeta response: This
                    > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                    options
                    > > in the
                    > > > >> future.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                    beliefs?
                    > He
                    > > is
                    > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                    > > Lincoln
                    > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    > > > >> figuratively?
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    > > recognize
                    > > > >> early
                    > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                    > case,
                    > > he
                    > > > >> was
                    > > > >> a
                    > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                    life
                    > > > >> circumstances
                    > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                    human
                    > > body
                    > > > >> and
                    > > > >> mind
                    > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    > > conclusion
                    > > > >> that
                    > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> The
                    > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Issue 104,
                    > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Election
                    > > > >> Results
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> As predicted by
                    > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                    > > state by
                    > > > >> state,
                    > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                    > > ended up
                    > > > >> in
                    > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                    to
                    > > the
                    > > > >> actual
                    > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                    is
                    > > Not
                    > > > >> MOCKED!
                    > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ------------------------------------
                  • Ted
                    You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his head ... From: To: Sent:
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                      You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                      head
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: <masanga@...>
                      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                      > Nathaniel,
                      >
                      > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                      >
                      > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                      > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                      > of
                      > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                      > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                      > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                      > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                      > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                      >
                      > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                      > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                      > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                      > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                      > he
                      > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                      >
                      > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                      > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                      > date
                      > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                      > to
                      > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                      > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                      > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                      >
                      > Regan (masanga)
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > masanga,
                      > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                      > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                      > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                      > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                      > At any rate, I wish you well.
                      >
                      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> Nathaniel,
                      >>
                      >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                      > that my
                      >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                      > great
                      >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                      >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                      > knowledge,
                      >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                      > desires,
                      >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                      > as
                      >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                      >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                      > said
                      >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                      > And
                      >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                      > children to
                      >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                      > for
                      >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                      > long
                      >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                      >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                      > encouragement
                      >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                      > mental age
                      >> down to absolute zero in time.
                      >>
                      >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                      > break
                      >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                      > don't
                      >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                      > in the
                      >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                      > suggest
                      >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                      >>
                      >> Sincerely,
                      >> Regan (masanga)
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Dear masanga,
                      >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                      >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                      >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                      >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                      > would
                      >> your answer be?
                      >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                      >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                      > Can
                      >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                      > a
                      >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                      >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                      > Obama,
                      >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                      > earth
                      >> would qualify.
                      >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                      >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                      >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                      >>
                      >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                      >> >
                      >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                      >> >
                      >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      >> certain
                      >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                      >> > wicked...."
                      >> >
                      >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                      >> of our
                      >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                      > anyone
                      >> else
                      >> > in this respect.
                      >> >
                      >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                      > would
                      >> win
                      >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                      >> >
                      >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                      >> needing any
                      >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                      >> "seemingly
                      >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                      >> seemed to
                      >> > have a clear run to me.
                      >> >
                      >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                      >> >
                      >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                      >> about
                      >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                      >> >
                      >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                      >> praises
                      >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                      >> asssisted
                      >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                      >> protected
                      >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                      >> >
                      >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                      >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                      >> in
                      >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                      >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                      > up
                      >> to
                      >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                      > is
                      >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                      >> system
                      >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                      > where
                      >> the
                      >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                      >> the
                      >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                      > "Emperor").
                      >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                      >> office
                      >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                      >> for
                      >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                      >> >
                      >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                      >> She is
                      >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                      >> for the
                      >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                      >> >
                      >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                      >> I see
                      >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                      >> as you
                      >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                      >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                      >> think she
                      >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                      >> independent
                      >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                      >> the
                      >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                      >> anonymous
                      >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                      >> sheer
                      >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                      >> the
                      >> > terms.
                      >> >
                      >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                      >> and
                      >> > sconld...."
                      >> >
                      >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                      >> scold
                      >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                      >> and
                      >> > objectively.
                      >> >
                      >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      >> morbid
                      >> > intransigence...."
                      >> >
                      >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                      >> compromise" and
                      >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                      > us
                      >> to
                      >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                      >> what
                      >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                      >> she
                      >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                      > price.
                      >> But
                      >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                      >> >
                      >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > re-appearance
                      >> of
                      >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                      >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > arguments."
                      >> >
                      >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                      >> we? Or
                      >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                      >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                      >> she has
                      >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                      > which
                      >> you
                      >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                      >> can
                      >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                      >> an
                      >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                      >> even
                      >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                      >> It is
                      >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                      >> to pay
                      >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                      >> high for
                      >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                      >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                      > own
                      >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                      >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                      >> lie the
                      >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                      >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                      >> >
                      >> > Regards,
                      >> > Regan
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                      >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                      >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                      >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                      > the
                      >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                      >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                      >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                      > be
                      >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                      > team
                      >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                      >> this
                      >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                      > clock
                      >> > 24/7!!
                      >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                      > She
                      >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      >> consciousness
                      >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                      >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                      > rediculed
                      >> > and sconld.
                      >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                      >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                      >> or
                      >> > less!
                      >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      > arguments.
                      >> >
                      >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                      >> bitch
                      >> > at
                      >> > > times.
                      >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                      > me.
                      >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                      > slightest,
                      >> > the
                      >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                      >> count.
                      >> > And by
                      >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      >> > >
                      >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                      >> FANNIE
                      >> > mae,
                      >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                      >> > would
                      >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                      > money
                      >> > into
                      >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                      >> idea,
                      >> > and
                      >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                      >> > things.
                      >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                      >> name
                      >> > for
                      >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      >> > friends.
                      >> > > Good to see you're back.
                      >> > > Later...
                      >> > > Ted
                      >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > > From: masanga@
                      >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > [11-08-08]
                      >> > >
                      >> > >
                      >> > > > Hi Ted,
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      >> > to get
                      >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      >> > eventually
                      >> > > > got
                      >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                      > me
                      >> in
                      >> > my
                      >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                      > days
                      >> > and was
                      >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                      >> > forum
                      >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                      > election
                      >> > of
                      >> > > > Barack
                      >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                      >> > them. The
                      >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                      > of
                      >> > joy in
                      >> > > > the
                      >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                      > new
                      >> > age has
                      >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      >> > > > world-historic
                      >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                      >> here.
                      >> > Why
                      >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      >> > election
                      >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      >> > politicians
                      >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                      > view
                      >> > that
                      >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      >> > constitutes
                      >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                      >> > the
                      >> > > > whole
                      >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                      >> > > > Lambremont
                      >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                      > to
                      >> > remove
                      >> > > > the
                      >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                      >> anything
                      >> > > > myself
                      >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                      > either.
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      >> > found no
                      >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                      > myself
                      >> > from
                      >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      >> > whenever I
                      >> > > > am
                      >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                      >> > that
                      >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                      > don't
                      >> > want to
                      >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                      > spectacle
                      >> > may be.
                      >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                      > the
                      >> > Zeta -
                      >> > > > on
                      >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                      > those
                      >> > among us
                      >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                      > it.
                      >> > So my
                      >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                      > warning
                      >> in
                      >> > > > fact -
                      >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                      > cult-building
                      >> > > > activity
                      >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                      >> their
                      >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                      > to
                      >> > do
                      >> > > > that
                      >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      >> > natural
                      >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      >> > now
                      >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > Warm regards,
                      >> > > > Regan
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > > > From: Ted
                      >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      >> [11-08-08]
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                      >> > > > .
                      >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > > > From: masanga@
                      >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      >> [11-08-08]
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      >> > words of
                      >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                      > is
                      >> > > >> reported
                      >> > > >> to have said:
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      >> > > >> fantasies
                      >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Regan
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                      >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> written
                      >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                      >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                      > he
                      >> > did on
                      >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                      > out
                      >> > in his
                      >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                      >> new
                      >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                      >> The
                      >> > Zetas
                      >> > > >> have
                      >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                      >> > would
                      >> > > >> like
                      >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                      > X,
                      >> > and if
                      >> > > >> so
                      >> > > >> was
                      >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                      >> > Friday the
                      >> > > >> CNN
                      >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      >> > "pause"
                      >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                      >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                      >> declined
                      >> > to
                      >> > > >> comment.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                      >> consensus
                      >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                      > his
                      >> > heart
                      >> > > >> and
                      >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                      >> Obama
                      >> > looked
                      >> > > >> older
                      >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                      > the
                      >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                      > candidacy.
                      >> > Yet the
                      >> > > >> race
                      >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                      >> causing
                      >> > him
                      >> > > >> loss
                      >> > > >> of
                      >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                      >> > already
                      >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                      > world
                      >> > and
                      >> > > >> what
                      >> > > >> the
                      >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                      > also
                      >> > did not
                      >> > > >> learn
                      >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                      >> > company
                      >> > > >> crimes,
                      >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                      >> FBI
                      >> > and
                      >> > > >> the
                      >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      >> > planetary
                      >> > > >> presence
                      >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                      >> had
                      >> > heard
                      >> > > >> the
                      >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                      >> relayed
                      >> > to
                      >> > > >> him
                      >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      >> > confirmation.
                      >> > > >> Why would
                      >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                      > US
                      >> > > >> boundaries
                      >> > > >> are
                      >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                      >> cover-up,
                      >> > and
                      >> > > >> how
                      >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                      >> been
                      >> > > >> decided.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                      >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                      > options
                      >> > in the
                      >> > > >> future.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                      > beliefs?
                      >> He
                      >> > is
                      >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                      >> > Lincoln
                      >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      >> > > >> figuratively?
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      >> > recognize
                      >> > > >> early
                      >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                      >> case,
                      >> > he
                      >> > > >> was
                      >> > > >> a
                      >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                      > life
                      >> > > >> circumstances
                      >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                      > human
                      >> > body
                      >> > > >> and
                      >> > > >> mind
                      >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      >> > conclusion
                      >> > > >> that
                      >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> The
                      >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Issue 104,
                      >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> Election
                      >> > > >> Results
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> As predicted by
                      >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                      >> > state by
                      >> > > >> state,
                      >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                      >> > ended up
                      >> > > >> in
                      >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                      > to
                      >> > the
                      >> > > >> actual
                      >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      >> > > >>
                      >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                      > is
                      >> > Not
                      >> > > >> MOCKED!
                      >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > >
                      >> > > > ------------------------------------
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                      >
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                    • masanga@talktalk.net
                      I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
                      Message 10 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                        I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                        But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                        understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                        clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                        appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                        concerned.

                        However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                        obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                        should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Ted
                        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                        You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                        head
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: <masanga@...>
                        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                        > Nathaniel,
                        >
                        > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                        >
                        > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                        > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                        > of
                        > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                        > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                        > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                        > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                        > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                        >
                        > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                        > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                        > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                        > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                        > he
                        > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                        >
                        > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                        > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                        > date
                        > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                        > to
                        > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                        > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                        > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                        >
                        > Regan (masanga)
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > masanga,
                        > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                        > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                        > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                        > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                        > At any rate, I wish you well.
                        >
                        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                        >>
                        >> Nathaniel,
                        >>
                        >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                        > that my
                        >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                        > great
                        >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                        >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                        > knowledge,
                        >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                        > desires,
                        >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                        > as
                        >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                        >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                        > said
                        >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                        > And
                        >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                        > children to
                        >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                        > for
                        >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                        > long
                        >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                        >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                        > encouragement
                        >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                        > mental age
                        >> down to absolute zero in time.
                        >>
                        >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                        > break
                        >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                        > don't
                        >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                        > in the
                        >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                        > suggest
                        >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                        >>
                        >> Sincerely,
                        >> Regan (masanga)
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> ----- Original Message -----
                        >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                        >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> Dear masanga,
                        >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                        >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                        >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                        >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                        > would
                        >> your answer be?
                        >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                        >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                        > Can
                        >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                        > a
                        >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                        >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                        > Obama,
                        >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                        > earth
                        >> would qualify.
                        >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                        >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                        >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                        >>
                        >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                        >> >
                        >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                        >> >
                        >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        >> certain
                        >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                        >> > wicked...."
                        >> >
                        >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                        >> of our
                        >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                        > anyone
                        >> else
                        >> > in this respect.
                        >> >
                        >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                        > would
                        >> win
                        >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                        >> >
                        >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                        >> needing any
                        >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                        >> "seemingly
                        >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                        >> seemed to
                        >> > have a clear run to me.
                        >> >
                        >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                        >> >
                        >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                        >> about
                        >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                        >> >
                        >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                        >> praises
                        >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                        >> asssisted
                        >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                        >> protected
                        >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                        >> >
                        >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                        >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                        >> in
                        >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                        >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                        > up
                        >> to
                        >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                        > is
                        >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                        >> system
                        >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                        > where
                        >> the
                        >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                        >> the
                        >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                        > "Emperor").
                        >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                        >> office
                        >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                        >> for
                        >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                        >> >
                        >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        >> She is
                        >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                        >> for the
                        >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                        >> >
                        >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                        >> I see
                        >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                        >> as you
                        >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                        >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                        >> think she
                        >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                        >> independent
                        >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                        >> the
                        >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                        >> anonymous
                        >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                        >> sheer
                        >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                        >> the
                        >> > terms.
                        >> >
                        >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                        >> and
                        >> > sconld...."
                        >> >
                        >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                        >> scold
                        >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                        >> and
                        >> > objectively.
                        >> >
                        >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        >> morbid
                        >> > intransigence...."
                        >> >
                        >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                        >> compromise" and
                        >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                        > us
                        >> to
                        >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                        >> what
                        >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                        >> she
                        >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                        > price.
                        >> But
                        >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                        >> >
                        >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        > re-appearance
                        >> of
                        >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                        >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        > arguments."
                        >> >
                        >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                        >> we? Or
                        >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                        >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                        >> she has
                        >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                        > which
                        >> you
                        >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                        >> can
                        >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                        >> an
                        >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                        >> even
                        >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                        >> It is
                        >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                        >> to pay
                        >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                        >> high for
                        >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                        >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                        > own
                        >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                        >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                        >> lie the
                        >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                        >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                        >> >
                        >> > Regards,
                        >> > Regan
                        >> >
                        >> >
                        >> > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                        >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                        >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >> >
                        >> >
                        >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                        >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                        > the
                        >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                        >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                        >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                        > be
                        >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                        > team
                        >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                        >> this
                        >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                        > clock
                        >> > 24/7!!
                        >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        > She
                        >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        >> consciousness
                        >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                        > rediculed
                        >> > and sconld.
                        >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                        >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                        >> or
                        >> > less!
                        >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        > arguments.
                        >> >
                        >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                        >> > >
                        >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                        >> bitch
                        >> > at
                        >> > > times.
                        >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                        > me.
                        >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                        > slightest,
                        >> > the
                        >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                        >> count.
                        >> > And by
                        >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        >> > >
                        >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                        >> FANNIE
                        >> > mae,
                        >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                        >> > would
                        >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                        > money
                        >> > into
                        >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                        >> idea,
                        >> > and
                        >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                        >> > things.
                        >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                        >> name
                        >> > for
                        >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        >> > friends.
                        >> > > Good to see you're back.
                        >> > > Later...
                        >> > > Ted
                        >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > > From: masanga@
                        >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > [11-08-08]
                        >> > >
                        >> > >
                        >> > > > Hi Ted,
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        >> > to get
                        >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        >> > eventually
                        >> > > > got
                        >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                        > me
                        >> in
                        >> > my
                        >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                        > days
                        >> > and was
                        >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                        >> > forum
                        >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                        > election
                        >> > of
                        >> > > > Barack
                        >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                        >> > them. The
                        >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                        > of
                        >> > joy in
                        >> > > > the
                        >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                        > new
                        >> > age has
                        >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        >> > > > world-historic
                        >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                        >> here.
                        >> > Why
                        >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        >> > election
                        >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        >> > politicians
                        >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                        > view
                        >> > that
                        >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        >> > constitutes
                        >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                        >> > the
                        >> > > > whole
                        >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                        >> > > > Lambremont
                        >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                        > to
                        >> > remove
                        >> > > > the
                        >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                        >> anything
                        >> > > > myself
                        >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                        > either.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        >> > found no
                        >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                        > myself
                        >> > from
                        >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        >> > whenever I
                        >> > > > am
                        >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                        >> > that
                        >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                        > don't
                        >> > want to
                        >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                        > spectacle
                        >> > may be.
                        >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                        > the
                        >> > Zeta -
                        >> > > > on
                        >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                        > those
                        >> > among us
                        >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                        > it.
                        >> > So my
                        >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                        > warning
                        >> in
                        >> > > > fact -
                        >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                        > cult-building
                        >> > > > activity
                        >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                        >> their
                        >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                        > to
                        >> > do
                        >> > > > that
                        >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        >> > natural
                        >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        >> > now
                        >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > Warm regards,
                        >> > > > Regan
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > > > From: Ted
                        >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        >> [11-08-08]
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                        >> > > > .
                        >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > > > From: masanga@
                        >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        >> [11-08-08]
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        >> > words of
                        >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                        > is
                        >> > > >> reported
                        >> > > >> to have said:
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        >> > > >> fantasies
                        >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Regan
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                        >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> written
                        >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                        >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                        > he
                        >> > did on
                        >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                        > out
                        >> > in his
                        >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                        >> new
                        >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                        >> The
                        >> > Zetas
                        >> > > >> have
                        >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                        >> > would
                        >> > > >> like
                        >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                        > X,
                        >> > and if
                        >> > > >> so
                        >> > > >> was
                        >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                        >> > Friday the
                        >> > > >> CNN
                        >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        >> > "pause"
                        >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                        >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                        >> declined
                        >> > to
                        >> > > >> comment.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                        >> consensus
                        >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                        > his
                        >> > heart
                        >> > > >> and
                        >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                        >> Obama
                        >> > looked
                        >> > > >> older
                        >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                        > the
                        >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                        > candidacy.
                        >> > Yet the
                        >> > > >> race
                        >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                        >> causing
                        >> > him
                        >> > > >> loss
                        >> > > >> of
                        >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                        >> > already
                        >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                        > world
                        >> > and
                        >> > > >> what
                        >> > > >> the
                        >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                        > also
                        >> > did not
                        >> > > >> learn
                        >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                        >> > company
                        >> > > >> crimes,
                        >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                        >> FBI
                        >> > and
                        >> > > >> the
                        >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        >> > planetary
                        >> > > >> presence
                        >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                        >> had
                        >> > heard
                        >> > > >> the
                        >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                        >> relayed
                        >> > to
                        >> > > >> him
                        >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        >> > confirmation.
                        >> > > >> Why would
                        >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                        > US
                        >> > > >> boundaries
                        >> > > >> are
                        >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                        >> cover-up,
                        >> > and
                        >> > > >> how
                        >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                        >> been
                        >> > > >> decided.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                        >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                        > options
                        >> > in the
                        >> > > >> future.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                        > beliefs?
                        >> He
                        >> > is
                        >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                        >> > Lincoln
                        >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                        >> > > >> figuratively?
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                        >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        >> > recognize
                        >> > > >> early
                        >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                        >> case,
                        >> > he
                        >> > > >> was
                        >> > > >> a
                        >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                        > life
                        >> > > >> circumstances
                        >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                        > human
                        >> > body
                        >> > > >> and
                        >> > > >> mind
                        >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        >> > conclusion
                        >> > > >> that
                        >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> The
                        >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Issue 104,
                        >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Election
                        >> > > >> Results
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> As predicted by
                        >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                        >> > state by
                        >> > > >> state,
                        >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                        >> > ended up
                        >> > > >> in
                        >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                        > to
                        >> > the
                        >> > > >> actual
                        >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                        > is
                        >> > Not
                        >> > > >> MOCKED!
                        >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > ------------------------------------
                      • Ted
                        Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                          Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                          Nancy's groupies.
                          He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                          Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                          wearing no close
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: <masanga@...>
                          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                          > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                          >
                          > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                          > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                          > be
                          > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                          > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                          > concerned.
                          >
                          > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                          > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                          > he
                          > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Ted
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                          > his
                          > head
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: <masanga@...>
                          > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          >> Nathaniel,
                          >>
                          >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                          >>
                          >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                          >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                          >> of
                          >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                          >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                          >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                          >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                          >> have
                          >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                          >>
                          >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                          >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                          >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                          >> my
                          >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                          >> he
                          >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                          >>
                          >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                          >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                          >> date
                          >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                          >> to
                          >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                          >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                          >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                          >>
                          >> Regan (masanga)
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                          >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> masanga,
                          >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                          >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                          >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                          >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                          >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                          >>
                          >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                          >>>
                          >>> Nathaniel,
                          >>>
                          >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                          >> that my
                          >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                          >> great
                          >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                          >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                          >> knowledge,
                          >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                          >> desires,
                          >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                          >> as
                          >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                          >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                          >> said
                          >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                          >> And
                          >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                          >> children to
                          >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                          >> for
                          >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                          >> long
                          >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                          >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                          >> encouragement
                          >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                          >> mental age
                          >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                          >>>
                          >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                          >> break
                          >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                          >> don't
                          >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                          >> in the
                          >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                          >> suggest
                          >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                          >>>
                          >>> Sincerely,
                          >>> Regan (masanga)
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                          >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                          >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> Dear masanga,
                          >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                          >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                          >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                          >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                          >> would
                          >>> your answer be?
                          >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                          >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                          >> Can
                          >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                          >> a
                          >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                          >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                          >> Obama,
                          >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                          >> earth
                          >>> would qualify.
                          >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                          >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                          >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                          >>>
                          >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                          >>> >
                          >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                          >>> >
                          >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          >>> certain
                          >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                          >>> > wicked...."
                          >>> >
                          >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                          >>> of our
                          >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                          >> anyone
                          >>> else
                          >>> > in this respect.
                          >>> >
                          >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                          >> would
                          >>> win
                          >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                          >>> >
                          >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                          >>> needing any
                          >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                          >>> "seemingly
                          >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                          >>> seemed to
                          >>> > have a clear run to me.
                          >>> >
                          >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                          >>> >
                          >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                          >>> about
                          >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                          >>> >
                          >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                          >>> praises
                          >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                          >>> asssisted
                          >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                          >>> protected
                          >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                          >>> >
                          >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                          >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                          >>> in
                          >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                          >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                          >> up
                          >>> to
                          >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                          >> is
                          >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                          >>> system
                          >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                          >> where
                          >>> the
                          >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                          >>> the
                          >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                          >> "Emperor").
                          >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                          >>> office
                          >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                          >>> for
                          >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                          >>> >
                          >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          >>> She is
                          >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                          >>> for the
                          >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                          >>> >
                          >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                          >>> I see
                          >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                          >>> as you
                          >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                          >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                          >>> think she
                          >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                          >>> independent
                          >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                          >>> the
                          >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                          >>> anonymous
                          >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                          >>> sheer
                          >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                          >>> the
                          >>> > terms.
                          >>> >
                          >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                          >>> and
                          >>> > sconld...."
                          >>> >
                          >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                          >>> scold
                          >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                          >>> and
                          >>> > objectively.
                          >>> >
                          >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                          >>> morbid
                          >>> > intransigence...."
                          >>> >
                          >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                          >>> compromise" and
                          >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                          >> us
                          >>> to
                          >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                          >>> what
                          >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                          >>> she
                          >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                          >> price.
                          >>> But
                          >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                          >>> >
                          >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          >> re-appearance
                          >>> of
                          >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                          >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          >> arguments."
                          >>> >
                          >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                          >>> we? Or
                          >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                          >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                          >>> she has
                          >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                          >> which
                          >>> you
                          >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                          >>> can
                          >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                          >>> an
                          >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                          >>> even
                          >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                          >>> It is
                          >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                          >>> to pay
                          >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                          >>> high for
                          >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                          >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                          >> own
                          >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                          >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                          >>> lie the
                          >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                          >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                          >>> >
                          >>> > Regards,
                          >>> > Regan
                          >>> >
                          >>> >
                          >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                          >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                          >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >>> >
                          >>> >
                          >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                          >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                          >> the
                          >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                          >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                          >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                          >> be
                          >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                          >> team
                          >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                          >>> this
                          >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                          >> clock
                          >>> > 24/7!!
                          >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          >> She
                          >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                          >>> consciousness
                          >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                          >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                          >> rediculed
                          >>> > and sconld.
                          >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                          >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                          >>> or
                          >>> > less!
                          >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          >> arguments.
                          >>> >
                          >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                          >>> > >
                          >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                          >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                          >>> bitch
                          >>> > at
                          >>> > > times.
                          >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                          >> me.
                          >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                          >> slightest,
                          >>> > the
                          >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                          >>> count.
                          >>> > And by
                          >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                          >>> > >
                          >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                          >>> FANNIE
                          >>> > mae,
                          >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                          >>> > would
                          >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                          >> money
                          >>> > into
                          >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                          >>> idea,
                          >>> > and
                          >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                          >>> > things.
                          >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                          >>> name
                          >>> > for
                          >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                          >>> > friends.
                          >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                          >>> > > Later...
                          >>> > > Ted
                          >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> > > From: masanga@
                          >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                          >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          >> [11-08-08]
                          >>> > >
                          >>> > >
                          >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                          >>> > to get
                          >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                          >>> > eventually
                          >>> > > > got
                          >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                          >> me
                          >>> in
                          >>> > my
                          >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                          >> days
                          >>> > and was
                          >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                          >>> > forum
                          >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                          >> election
                          >>> > of
                          >>> > > > Barack
                          >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                          >>> > them. The
                          >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                          >> of
                          >>> > joy in
                          >>> > > > the
                          >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                          >> new
                          >>> > age has
                          >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                          >>> > > > world-historic
                          >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                          >>> here.
                          >>> > Why
                          >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                          >>> > election
                          >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                          >>> > politicians
                          >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                          >> view
                          >>> > that
                          >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                          >>> > constitutes
                          >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                          >>> > the
                          >>> > > > whole
                          >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                          >>> > > > Lambremont
                          >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                          >> to
                          >>> > remove
                          >>> > > > the
                          >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                          >>> anything
                          >>> > > > myself
                          >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                          >> either.
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                          >>> > found no
                          >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                          >> myself
                          >>> > from
                          >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                          >>> > whenever I
                          >>> > > > am
                          >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                          >>> > that
                          >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                          >> don't
                          >>> > want to
                          >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                          >> spectacle
                          >>> > may be.
                          >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                          >> the
                          >>> > Zeta -
                          >>> > > > on
                          >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                          >> those
                          >>> > among us
                          >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                          >> it.
                          >>> > So my
                          >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                          >> warning
                          >>> in
                          >>> > > > fact -
                          >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                          >> cult-building
                          >>> > > > activity
                          >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                          >>> their
                          >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                          >> to
                          >>> > do
                          >>> > > > that
                          >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                          >>> > natural
                          >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                          >>> > now
                          >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > > Warm regards,
                          >>> > > > Regan
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> > > > From: Ted
                          >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                          >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          >>> [11-08-08]
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                          >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                          >>> > > > .
                          >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> > > > From: masanga@
                          >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                          >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          >>> [11-08-08]
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                          >>> > words of
                          >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                          >> is
                          >>> > > >> reported
                          >>> > > >> to have said:
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                          >>> > > >> fantasies
                          >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> Regan
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                          >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                          >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                          >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> written
                          >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                          >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                          >> he
                          >>> > did on
                          >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                          >> out
                          >>> > in his
                          >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                          >>> new
                          >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                          >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                          >>> The
                          >>> > Zetas
                          >>> > > >> have
                          >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                          >>> > would
                          >>> > > >> like
                          >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                          >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                          >> X,
                          >>> > and if
                          >>> > > >> so
                          >>> > > >> was
                          >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                          >>> > Friday the
                          >>> > > >> CNN
                          >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                          >>> > "pause"
                          >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                          >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                          >>> declined
                          >>> > to
                          >>> > > >> comment.
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                          >>> consensus
                          >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                          >> his
                          >>> > heart
                          >>> > > >> and
                          >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                          >>> Obama
                          >>> > looked
                          >>> > > >> older
                          >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                          >> the
                          >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                          >> candidacy.
                          >>> > Yet the
                          >>> > > >> race
                          >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                          >>> causing
                          >>> > him
                          >>> > > >> loss
                          >>> > > >> of
                          >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                          >>> > already
                          >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                          >> world
                          >>> > and
                          >>> > > >> what
                          >>> > > >> the
                          >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                          >> also
                          >>> > did not
                          >>> > > >> learn
                          >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                          >>> > company
                          >>> > > >> crimes,
                          >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                          >>> FBI
                          >>> > and
                          >>> > > >> the
                          >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                          >>> > planetary
                          >>> > > >> presence
                          >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                          >>> had
                          >>> > heard
                          >>> > > >> the
                          >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                          >>> relayed
                          >>> > to
                          >>> > > >> him
                          >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                          >>> > confirmation.
                          >>> > > >> Why would
                          >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                          >> US
                          >>> > > >> boundaries
                          >>> > > >> are
                          >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                          >>> cover-up,
                          >>> > and
                          >>> > > >> how
                          >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                          >>> been
                          >>> > > >> decided.
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                          >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                          >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                          >> options
                          >>> > in the
                          >>> > > >> future.
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                          >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                          >> beliefs?
                          >>> He
                          >>> > is
                          >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                          >>> > Lincoln
                          >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                          >>> > > >> figuratively?
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                          >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                          >>> > recognize
                          >>> > > >> early
                          >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                          >>> case,
                          >>> > he
                          >>> > > >> was
                          >>> > > >> a
                          >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                          >> life
                          >>> > > >> circumstances
                          >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                          >> human
                          >>> > body
                          >>> > > >> and
                          >>> > > >> mind
                          >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                          >>> > conclusion
                          >>> > > >> that
                          >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> The
                          >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                          >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> Election
                          >>> > > >> Results
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> As predicted by
                          >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                          >>> > state by
                          >>> > > >> state,
                          >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                          >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                          >>> > ended up
                          >>> > > >> in
                          >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                          >> to
                          >>> > the
                          >>> > > >> actual
                          >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                          >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                          >>> > > >>
                          >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                          >> is
                          >>> > Not
                          >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                          >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                          >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > >
                          >>> > > > ------------------------------------
                          >
                          >
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                        • nathaniel x vance
                          Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
                          Message 12 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                            Dear Brother masanga,
                            Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                            and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                            you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                            rebellion out in me.
                            Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                            COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                            like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                            higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                            help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                            renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                            higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                            co-existence will be the order of the future!
                            Please pardon me.

                            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Nathaniel,
                            >
                            > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                            >
                            > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                            about
                            > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                            know of
                            > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                            > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                            > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                            universe, I
                            > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                            have
                            > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                            >
                            > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                            divine
                            > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                            > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                            in my
                            > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                            that he
                            > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                            >
                            > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                            presume to
                            > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                            date
                            > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                            mystery to
                            > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                            > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                            divine
                            > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                            >
                            > Regan (masanga)
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            > masanga,
                            > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                            > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                            > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                            > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                            > At any rate, I wish you well.
                            >
                            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Nathaniel,
                            > >
                            > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                            > that my
                            > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                            > great
                            > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                            > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                            > knowledge,
                            > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                            > desires,
                            > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                            things
                            > as
                            > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                            will
                            > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                            > said
                            > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                            > And
                            > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                            > children to
                            > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                            you
                            > for
                            > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                            worked
                            > long
                            > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                            both
                            > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                            > encouragement
                            > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                            > mental age
                            > > down to absolute zero in time.
                            > >
                            > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                            > break
                            > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                            > don't
                            > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                            me
                            > in the
                            > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                            > suggest
                            > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                            up.
                            > >
                            > > Sincerely,
                            > > Regan (masanga)
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                            > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Dear masanga,
                            > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                            answer
                            > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                            > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                            our
                            > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                            > would
                            > > your answer be?
                            > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                            before
                            > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                            > Can
                            > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                            see
                            > a
                            > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                            details
                            > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                            > Obama,
                            > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                            > earth
                            > > would qualify.
                            > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                            > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                            > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                            > >
                            > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                            > > >
                            > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                            a
                            > > certain
                            > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                            greedy
                            > > > wicked...."
                            > > >
                            > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                            > > of our
                            > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                            > anyone
                            > > else
                            > > > in this respect.
                            > > >
                            > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                            > would
                            > > win
                            > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                            > > >
                            > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                            > > needing any
                            > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                            > > "seemingly
                            > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                            > > seemed to
                            > > > have a clear run to me.
                            > > >
                            > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                            > > >
                            > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                            > > about
                            > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                            > > >
                            > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                            > > praises
                            > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                            > > asssisted
                            > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                            > > protected
                            > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                            > > >
                            > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                            > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                            really
                            > > in
                            > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                            dominance?
                            > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                            > up
                            > > to
                            > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                            > is
                            > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                            a
                            > > system
                            > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                            > where
                            > > the
                            > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                            become
                            > > the
                            > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                            > "Emperor").
                            > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                            > > office
                            > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                            credit
                            > > for
                            > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                            me.
                            > > >
                            > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                            cult!
                            > > She is
                            > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                            consciousness
                            > > for the
                            > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                            > > >
                            > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                            > > I see
                            > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                            be
                            > > as you
                            > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                            for
                            > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                            > > think she
                            > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                            > > independent
                            > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                            asserting
                            > > the
                            > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                            > > anonymous
                            > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                            on
                            > > sheer
                            > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                            of
                            > > the
                            > > > terms.
                            > > >
                            > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                            rediculed
                            > > and
                            > > > sconld...."
                            > > >
                            > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                            > > scold
                            > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                            impartially
                            > > and
                            > > > objectively.
                            > > >
                            > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                            > > morbid
                            > > > intransigence...."
                            > > >
                            > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                            > > compromise" and
                            > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                            > us
                            > > to
                            > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                            wonder
                            > > what
                            > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                            > > she
                            > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                            > price.
                            > > But
                            > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                            ours.
                            > > >
                            > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            > re-appearance
                            > > of
                            > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                            > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            > arguments."
                            > > >
                            > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                            > > we? Or
                            > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                            absurd
                            > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                            which
                            > > she has
                            > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                            > which
                            > > you
                            > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                            she
                            > > can
                            > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                            into
                            > > an
                            > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                            > > even
                            > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                            intelligence?
                            > > It is
                            > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                            willing
                            > > to pay
                            > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                            > > high for
                            > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                            "full
                            > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                            > own
                            > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                            > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                            a
                            > > lie the
                            > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                            > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                            > > >
                            > > > Regards,
                            > > > Regan
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                            > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                            > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                            > the
                            > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                            that
                            > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                            against
                            > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                            should
                            > be
                            > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                            > team
                            > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                            > > this
                            > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                            > clock
                            > > > 24/7!!
                            > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                            > She
                            > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                            > > consciousness
                            > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                            > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                            > rediculed
                            > > > and sconld.
                            > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                            morbid
                            > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                            years
                            > > or
                            > > > less!
                            > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            > arguments.
                            > > >
                            > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                            > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                            > > bitch
                            > > > at
                            > > > > times.
                            > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                            > me.
                            > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                            > slightest,
                            > > > the
                            > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                            > > count.
                            > > > And by
                            > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                            > > FANNIE
                            > > > mae,
                            > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                            One
                            > > > would
                            > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                            > money
                            > > > into
                            > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                            > > idea,
                            > > > and
                            > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                            damn
                            > > > things.
                            > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                            > > name
                            > > > for
                            > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                            > > > friends.
                            > > > > Good to see you're back.
                            > > > > Later...
                            > > > > Ted
                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > From: masanga@
                            > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                            > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            > [11-08-08]
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > Hi Ted,
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                            > > > to get
                            > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                            > > > eventually
                            > > > > > got
                            > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                            > me
                            > > in
                            > > > my
                            > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                            > days
                            > > > and was
                            > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                            this
                            > > > forum
                            > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                            > election
                            > > > of
                            > > > > > Barack
                            > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                            of
                            > > > them. The
                            > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                            > of
                            > > > joy in
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                            > new
                            > > > age has
                            > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                            > > > > > world-historic
                            > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                            > > here.
                            > > > Why
                            > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                            > > > election
                            > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                            > > > politicians
                            > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                            > view
                            > > > that
                            > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                            > > > constitutes
                            > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                            in
                            > > > the
                            > > > > > whole
                            > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                            Alfred
                            > > > > > Lambremont
                            > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                            > to
                            > > > remove
                            > > > > > the
                            > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                            > > anything
                            > > > > > myself
                            > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                            > either.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                            > > > found no
                            > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                            > myself
                            > > > from
                            > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                            > > > whenever I
                            > > > > > am
                            > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                            performed
                            > > > that
                            > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                            > don't
                            > > > want to
                            > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                            > spectacle
                            > > > may be.
                            > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                            > the
                            > > > Zeta -
                            > > > > > on
                            > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                            > those
                            > > > among us
                            > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                            > it.
                            > > > So my
                            > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                            > warning
                            > > in
                            > > > > > fact -
                            > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                            > cult-building
                            > > > > > activity
                            > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                            > > their
                            > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                            freedom
                            > to
                            > > > do
                            > > > > > that
                            > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                            > > > natural
                            > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                            > > > now
                            > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Warm regards,
                            > > > > > Regan
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > From: Ted
                            > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            > > [11-08-08]
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                            > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                            > > > > > .
                            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > > From: masanga@
                            > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            > > [11-08-08]
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                            > > > words of
                            > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                            who
                            > is
                            > > > > >> reported
                            > > > > >> to have said:
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                            > > > > >> fantasies
                            > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> Regan
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                            ;
                            > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                            ;
                            > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                            ;
                            > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                            > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                            > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> written
                            > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                            > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                            > he
                            > > > did on
                            > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                            > out
                            > > > in his
                            > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                            the
                            > > new
                            > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                            > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                            shift?
                            > > The
                            > > > Zetas
                            > > > > >> have
                            > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                            I
                            > > > would
                            > > > > >> like
                            > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                            > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                            > X,
                            > > > and if
                            > > > > >> so
                            > > > > >> was
                            > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                            > > > Friday the
                            > > > > >> CNN
                            > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                            > > > "pause"
                            > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                            4th
                            > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                            > > declined
                            > > > to
                            > > > > >> comment.
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                            > > consensus
                            > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                            > his
                            > > > heart
                            > > > > >> and
                            > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                            > > Obama
                            > > > looked
                            > > > > >> older
                            > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                            > the
                            > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                            > candidacy.
                            > > > Yet the
                            > > > > >> race
                            > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                            > > causing
                            > > > him
                            > > > > >> loss
                            > > > > >> of
                            > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                            not
                            > > > already
                            > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                            > world
                            > > > and
                            > > > > >> what
                            > > > > >> the
                            > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                            > also
                            > > > did not
                            > > > > >> learn
                            > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                            > > > company
                            > > > > >> crimes,
                            > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                            the
                            > > FBI
                            > > > and
                            > > > > >> the
                            > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                            > > > planetary
                            > > > > >> presence
                            > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                            He
                            > > had
                            > > > heard
                            > > > > >> the
                            > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                            > > relayed
                            > > > to
                            > > > > >> him
                            > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                            > > > confirmation.
                            > > > > >> Why would
                            > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                            > US
                            > > > > >> boundaries
                            > > > > >> are
                            > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                            > > cover-up,
                            > > > and
                            > > > > >> how
                            > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                            > > been
                            > > > > >> decided.
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                            > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                            > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                            > options
                            > > > in the
                            > > > > >> future.
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                            > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                            > beliefs?
                            > > He
                            > > > is
                            > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                            is
                            > > > Lincoln
                            > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                            > > > > >> figuratively?
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                            > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                            > > > recognize
                            > > > > >> early
                            > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                            > > case,
                            > > > he
                            > > > > >> was
                            > > > > >> a
                            > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                            > life
                            > > > > >> circumstances
                            > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                            > human
                            > > > body
                            > > > > >> and
                            > > > > >> mind
                            > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                            > > > conclusion
                            > > > > >> that
                            > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> The
                            > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> Issue 104,
                            > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> Election
                            > > > > >> Results
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> As predicted by
                            > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                            result,
                            > > > state by
                            > > > > >> state,
                            > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                            > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                            McCain
                            > > > ended up
                            > > > > >> in
                            > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                            > to
                            > > > the
                            > > > > >> actual
                            > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                            > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                            > > > > >>
                            > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                            GOD
                            > is
                            > > > Not
                            > > > > >> MOCKED!
                            > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                            > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > ------------------------------------
                            >
                          • nathaniel x vance
                            Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
                            Message 13 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                              Okay Mr. Ted,
                              I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                              scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                              two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                              think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                              wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                              he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                              Messiah/Mahdi?
                              We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                              Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                              scratching his
                              > head
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: masanga@...
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              >
                              >
                              > > Nathaniel,
                              > >
                              > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                              > >
                              > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                              about
                              > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                              know
                              > > of
                              > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                              > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                              > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                              universe, I
                              > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                              I have
                              > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                              > >
                              > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                              divine
                              > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                              > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                              in my
                              > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                              that
                              > > he
                              > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                              > >
                              > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                              presume to
                              > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                              to
                              > > date
                              > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                              mystery
                              > > to
                              > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                              > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                              divine
                              > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                              > >
                              > > Regan (masanga)
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                              > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > masanga,
                              > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                              about
                              > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                              > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                              If
                              > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                              > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                              > >
                              > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                              > >>
                              > >> Nathaniel,
                              > >>
                              > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                              > > that my
                              > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                              > > great
                              > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                              have
                              > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                              > > knowledge,
                              > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                              > > desires,
                              > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                              things
                              > > as
                              > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                              will
                              > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                              > > said
                              > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                              > > And
                              > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                              > > children to
                              > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                              you
                              > > for
                              > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                              worked
                              > > long
                              > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                              both
                              > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                              > > encouragement
                              > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                              > > mental age
                              > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                              > >>
                              > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                              > > break
                              > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                              > > don't
                              > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                              me
                              > > in the
                              > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                              > > suggest
                              > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                              up.
                              > >>
                              > >> Sincerely,
                              > >> Regan (masanga)
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                              > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >> Dear masanga,
                              > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                              answer
                              > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                              > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                              our
                              > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                              > > would
                              > >> your answer be?
                              > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                              before
                              > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                              qualifications;
                              > > Can
                              > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                              see
                              > > a
                              > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                              details
                              > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                              > > Obama,
                              > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                              > > earth
                              > >> would qualify.
                              > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                              > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                              > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                              > >>
                              > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                              > >> >
                              > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                              > >> >
                              > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                              a
                              > >> certain
                              > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                              greedy
                              > >> > wicked...."
                              > >> >
                              > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                              > >> of our
                              > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                              > > anyone
                              > >> else
                              > >> > in this respect.
                              > >> >
                              > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                              > > would
                              > >> win
                              > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                              > >> >
                              > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                              > >> needing any
                              > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                              > >> "seemingly
                              > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                              > >> seemed to
                              > >> > have a clear run to me.
                              > >> >
                              > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                              > >> >
                              > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                              > >> about
                              > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                              > >> >
                              > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                              and
                              > >> praises
                              > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                              who
                              > >> asssisted
                              > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                              > >> protected
                              > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                              > >> >
                              > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                              > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                              really
                              > >> in
                              > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                              dominance?
                              > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                              facing
                              > > up
                              > >> to
                              > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                              which
                              > > is
                              > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                              a
                              > >> system
                              > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                              > > where
                              > >> the
                              > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                              become
                              > >> the
                              > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                              > > "Emperor").
                              > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                              > >> office
                              > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                              credit
                              > >> for
                              > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                              me.
                              > >> >
                              > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                              cult!
                              > >> She is
                              > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              consciousness
                              > >> for the
                              > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                              righteous."
                              > >> >
                              > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                              > >> I see
                              > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                              be
                              > >> as you
                              > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                              for
                              > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                              > >> think she
                              > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                              > >> independent
                              > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                              asserting
                              > >> the
                              > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                              > >> anonymous
                              > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                              on
                              > >> sheer
                              > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                              of
                              > >> the
                              > >> > terms.
                              > >> >
                              > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                              rediculed
                              > >> and
                              > >> > sconld...."
                              > >> >
                              > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                              > >> scold
                              > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                              impartially
                              > >> and
                              > >> > objectively.
                              > >> >
                              > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              > >> morbid
                              > >> > intransigence...."
                              > >> >
                              > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                              > >> compromise" and
                              > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                              wants
                              > > us
                              > >> to
                              > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                              wonder
                              > >> what
                              > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                              think
                              > >> she
                              > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                              > > price.
                              > >> But
                              > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                              ours.
                              > >> >
                              > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > > re-appearance
                              > >> of
                              > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                              > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > > arguments."
                              > >> >
                              > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                              > >> we? Or
                              > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                              absurd
                              > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                              which
                              > >> she has
                              > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                              > > which
                              > >> you
                              > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                              she
                              > >> can
                              > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                              into
                              > >> an
                              > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                              or
                              > >> even
                              > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                              intelligence?
                              > >> It is
                              > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                              willing
                              > >> to pay
                              > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                              too
                              > >> high for
                              > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                              "full
                              > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                              > > own
                              > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                              > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                              and a
                              > >> lie the
                              > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                              > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                              > >> >
                              > >> > Regards,
                              > >> > Regan
                              > >> >
                              > >> >
                              > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                              > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              > >> >
                              > >> >
                              > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                              > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                              a
                              > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                              > > the
                              > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                              that
                              > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                              against
                              > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                              should
                              > > be
                              > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                              > > team
                              > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                              making
                              > >> this
                              > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                              > > clock
                              > >> > 24/7!!
                              > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                              cult!
                              > > She
                              > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              > >> consciousness
                              > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                              > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                              > > rediculed
                              > >> > and sconld.
                              > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              morbid
                              > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                              years
                              > >> or
                              > >> > less!
                              > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > > arguments.
                              > >> >
                              > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                              > >> > >
                              > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                              > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                              > >> bitch
                              > >> > at
                              > >> > > times.
                              > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                              > > me.
                              > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                              > > slightest,
                              > >> > the
                              > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                              > >> count.
                              > >> > And by
                              > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                              > >> > >
                              > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                              > >> FANNIE
                              > >> > mae,
                              > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                              One
                              > >> > would
                              > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                              > > money
                              > >> > into
                              > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                              > >> idea,
                              > >> > and
                              > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                              damn
                              > >> > things.
                              > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                              Nancy's
                              > >> name
                              > >> > for
                              > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                              > >> > friends.
                              > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                              > >> > > Later...
                              > >> > > Ted
                              > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> > > From: masanga@
                              > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                              > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > > [11-08-08]
                              > >> > >
                              > >> > >
                              > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                              > >> > to get
                              > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                              > >> > eventually
                              > >> > > > got
                              > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                              for
                              > > me
                              > >> in
                              > >> > my
                              > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                              > > days
                              > >> > and was
                              > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                              this
                              > >> > forum
                              > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                              > > election
                              > >> > of
                              > >> > > > Barack
                              > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                              of
                              > >> > them. The
                              > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                              tears
                              > > of
                              > >> > joy in
                              > >> > > > the
                              > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                              > > new
                              > >> > age has
                              > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                              > >> > > > world-historic
                              > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                              > >> here.
                              > >> > Why
                              > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                              > >> > election
                              > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                              > >> > politicians
                              > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                              > > view
                              > >> > that
                              > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                              > >> > constitutes
                              > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                              in
                              > >> > the
                              > >> > > > whole
                              > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                              Alfred
                              > >> > > > Lambremont
                              > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                              commitment
                              > > to
                              > >> > remove
                              > >> > > > the
                              > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                              > >> anything
                              > >> > > > myself
                              > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                              > > either.
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                              > >> > found no
                              > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                              > > myself
                              > >> > from
                              > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                              > >> > whenever I
                              > >> > > > am
                              > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                              performed
                              > >> > that
                              > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                              > > don't
                              > >> > want to
                              > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                              > > spectacle
                              > >> > may be.
                              > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                              of
                              > > the
                              > >> > Zeta -
                              > >> > > > on
                              > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                              > > those
                              > >> > among us
                              > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                              to
                              > > it.
                              > >> > So my
                              > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                              > > warning
                              > >> in
                              > >> > > > fact -
                              > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                              > > cult-building
                              > >> > > > activity
                              > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                              dictate
                              > >> their
                              > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                              freedom
                              > > to
                              > >> > do
                              > >> > > > that
                              > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                              > >> > natural
                              > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                              > >> > now
                              > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > > Warm regards,
                              > >> > > > Regan
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> > > > From: Ted
                              > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                              > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > >> [11-08-08]
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                              > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                              > >> > > > .
                              > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> > > > From: masanga@
                              > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                              > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > >> [11-08-08]
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                              > >> > words of
                              > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                              who
                              > > is
                              > >> > > >> reported
                              > >> > > >> to have said:
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                              > >> > > >> fantasies
                              > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> Regan
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                              earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                              > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                              > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                              > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> written
                              > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                              > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                              than
                              > > he
                              > >> > did on
                              > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                              found
                              > > out
                              > >> > in his
                              > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                              the
                              > >> new
                              > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                              > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                              shift?
                              > >> The
                              > >> > Zetas
                              > >> > > >> have
                              > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                              another] I
                              > >> > would
                              > >> > > >> like
                              > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                              > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                              Planet
                              > > X,
                              > >> > and if
                              > >> > > >> so
                              > >> > > >> was
                              > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                              conference
                              > >> > Friday the
                              > >> > > >> CNN
                              > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                              > >> > "pause"
                              > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                              4th
                              > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                              > >> declined
                              > >> > to
                              > >> > > >> comment.
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                              > >> consensus
                              > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                              > > his
                              > >> > heart
                              > >> > > >> and
                              > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                              > >> Obama
                              > >> > looked
                              > >> > > >> older
                              > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                              > > the
                              > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                              > > candidacy.
                              > >> > Yet the
                              > >> > > >> race
                              > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                              > >> causing
                              > >> > him
                              > >> > > >> loss
                              > >> > > >> of
                              > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                              not
                              > >> > already
                              > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                              > > world
                              > >> > and
                              > >> > > >> what
                              > >> > > >> the
                              > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                              > > also
                              > >> > did not
                              > >> > > >> learn
                              > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                              and
                              > >> > company
                              > >> > > >> crimes,
                              > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                              the
                              > >> FBI
                              > >> > and
                              > >> > > >> the
                              > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                              > >> > planetary
                              > >> > > >> presence
                              > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                              He
                              > >> had
                              > >> > heard
                              > >> > > >> the
                              > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                              > >> relayed
                              > >> > to
                              > >> > > >> him
                              > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                              > >> > confirmation.
                              > >> > > >> Why would
                              > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                              the
                              > > US
                              > >> > > >> boundaries
                              > >> > > >> are
                              > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                              > >> cover-up,
                              > >> > and
                              > >> > > >> how
                              > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                              yet
                              > >> been
                              > >> > > >> decided.
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                              > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                              > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                              > > options
                              > >> > in the
                              > >> > > >> future.
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                              > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                              > > beliefs?
                              > >> He
                              > >> > is
                              > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                              is
                              > >> > Lincoln
                              > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                              speaking
                              > >> > > >> figuratively?
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                              many,
                              > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                              > >> > recognize
                              > >> > > >> early
                              > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                              Obama's
                              > >> case,
                              > >> > he
                              > >> > > >> was
                              > >> > > >> a
                              > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                              > > life
                              > >> > > >> circumstances
                              > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                              > > human
                              > >> > body
                              > >> > > >> and
                              > >> > > >> mind
                              > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                              > >> > conclusion
                              > >> > > >> that
                              > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> The
                              > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                              > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> Election
                              > >> > > >> Results
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> As predicted by
                              > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                              result,
                              > >> > state by
                              > >> > > >> state,
                              > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                              > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                              McCain
                              > >> > ended up
                              > >> > > >> in
                              > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                              polls,
                              > > to
                              > >> > the
                              > >> > > >> actual
                              > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                              > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                              > >> > > >>
                              > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                              GOD
                              > > is
                              > >> > Not
                              > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                              > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                              > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > >
                              > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ------------------------------------
                              > >
                              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              >
                            • masanga@talktalk.net
                              Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                              Message 14 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                Dear Nathaniel,

                                Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                                you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                no harm was done.

                                Be at peace.

                                Regan (masanga)


                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: nathaniel x vance
                                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                                Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                Dear Brother masanga,
                                Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                rebellion out in me.
                                Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                Please pardon me.

                                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Nathaniel,
                                >
                                > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                >
                                > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                about
                                > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                know of
                                > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                universe, I
                                > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                have
                                > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                >
                                > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                divine
                                > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                in my
                                > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                that he
                                > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                >
                                > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                presume to
                                > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                date
                                > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                mystery to
                                > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                divine
                                > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                >
                                > Regan (masanga)
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >
                                >
                                > masanga,
                                > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                >
                                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Nathaniel,
                                > >
                                > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                > that my
                                > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                > great
                                > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                > knowledge,
                                > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                > desires,
                                > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                things
                                > as
                                > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                will
                                > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                > said
                                > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                > And
                                > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                > children to
                                > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                you
                                > for
                                > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                worked
                                > long
                                > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                both
                                > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                > encouragement
                                > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                > mental age
                                > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                > >
                                > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                > break
                                > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                > don't
                                > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                me
                                > in the
                                > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                > suggest
                                > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                up.
                                > >
                                > > Sincerely,
                                > > Regan (masanga)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Dear masanga,
                                > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                answer
                                > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                our
                                > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                > would
                                > > your answer be?
                                > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                before
                                > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                > Can
                                > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                see
                                > a
                                > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                details
                                > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                > Obama,
                                > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                > earth
                                > > would qualify.
                                > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                > >
                                > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                > > >
                                > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                a
                                > > certain
                                > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                greedy
                                > > > wicked...."
                                > > >
                                > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                > > of our
                                > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                > anyone
                                > > else
                                > > > in this respect.
                                > > >
                                > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                > would
                                > > win
                                > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                > > >
                                > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                > > needing any
                                > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                > > "seemingly
                                > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                > > seemed to
                                > > > have a clear run to me.
                                > > >
                                > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                > > >
                                > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                > > about
                                > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                > > >
                                > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                > > praises
                                > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                > > asssisted
                                > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                > > protected
                                > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                > > >
                                > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                really
                                > > in
                                > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                dominance?
                                > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                > up
                                > > to
                                > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                > is
                                > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                a
                                > > system
                                > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                > where
                                > > the
                                > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                become
                                > > the
                                > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                > "Emperor").
                                > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                > > office
                                > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                credit
                                > > for
                                > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                me.
                                > > >
                                > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                cult!
                                > > She is
                                > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                consciousness
                                > > for the
                                > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                > > >
                                > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                > > I see
                                > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                be
                                > > as you
                                > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                for
                                > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                > > think she
                                > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                > > independent
                                > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                asserting
                                > > the
                                > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                > > anonymous
                                > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                on
                                > > sheer
                                > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                of
                                > > the
                                > > > terms.
                                > > >
                                > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                rediculed
                                > > and
                                > > > sconld...."
                                > > >
                                > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                > > scold
                                > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                impartially
                                > > and
                                > > > objectively.
                                > > >
                                > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                > > morbid
                                > > > intransigence...."
                                > > >
                                > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                > > compromise" and
                                > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                > us
                                > > to
                                > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                wonder
                                > > what
                                > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                > > she
                                > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                > price.
                                > > But
                                > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                ours.
                                > > >
                                > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                > re-appearance
                                > > of
                                > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                > arguments."
                                > > >
                                > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                > > we? Or
                                > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                absurd
                                > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                which
                                > > she has
                                > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                > which
                                > > you
                                > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                she
                                > > can
                                > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                into
                                > > an
                                > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                > > even
                                > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                intelligence?
                                > > It is
                                > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                willing
                                > > to pay
                                > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                > > high for
                                > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                "full
                                > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                > own
                                > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                a
                                > > lie the
                                > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                > > >
                                > > > Regards,
                                > > > Regan
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                [11-08-08]
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                > the
                                > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                that
                                > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                against
                                > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                should
                                > be
                                > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                > team
                                > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                > > this
                                > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                > clock
                                > > > 24/7!!
                                > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                > She
                                > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                > > consciousness
                                > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                > rediculed
                                > > > and sconld.
                                > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                morbid
                                > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                years
                                > > or
                                > > > less!
                                > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                > arguments.
                                > > >
                                > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                > > bitch
                                > > > at
                                > > > > times.
                                > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                > me.
                                > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                > slightest,
                                > > > the
                                > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                > > count.
                                > > > And by
                                > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                > > FANNIE
                                > > > mae,
                                > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                One
                                > > > would
                                > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                > money
                                > > > into
                                > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                > > idea,
                                > > > and
                                > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                damn
                                > > > things.
                                > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                > > name
                                > > > for
                                > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                > > > friends.
                                > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                > > > > Later...
                                > > > > Ted
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: masanga@
                                > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > [11-08-08]
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                > > > to get
                                > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                > > > eventually
                                > > > > > got
                                > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                > me
                                > > in
                                > > > my
                                > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                > days
                                > > > and was
                                > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                this
                                > > > forum
                                > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                > election
                                > > > of
                                > > > > > Barack
                                > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                of
                                > > > them. The
                                > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                > of
                                > > > joy in
                                > > > > > the
                                > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                > new
                                > > > age has
                                > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                > > > > > world-historic
                                > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                > > here.
                                > > > Why
                                > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                > > > election
                                > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                > > > politicians
                                > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                > view
                                > > > that
                                > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                > > > constitutes
                                > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                in
                                > > > the
                                > > > > > whole
                                > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                Alfred
                                > > > > > Lambremont
                                > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                > to
                                > > > remove
                                > > > > > the
                                > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                > > anything
                                > > > > > myself
                                > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                > either.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                > > > found no
                                > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                > myself
                                > > > from
                                > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                > > > whenever I
                                > > > > > am
                                > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                performed
                                > > > that
                                > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                > don't
                                > > > want to
                                > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                > spectacle
                                > > > may be.
                                > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                > the
                                > > > Zeta -
                                > > > > > on
                                > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                > those
                                > > > among us
                                > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                > it.
                                > > > So my
                                > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                > warning
                                > > in
                                > > > > > fact -
                                > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                > cult-building
                                > > > > > activity
                                > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                > > their
                                > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                freedom
                                > to
                                > > > do
                                > > > > > that
                                > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                > > > natural
                                > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                > > > now
                                > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Warm regards,
                                > > > > > Regan
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > From: Ted
                                > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > > [11-08-08]
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                > > > > > .
                                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > > From: masanga@
                                > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > > [11-08-08]
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                > > > words of
                                > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                who
                                > is
                                > > > > >> reported
                                > > > > >> to have said:
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                > > > > >> fantasies
                                > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> Regan
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                ;
                                > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                ;
                                > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                ;
                                > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                [11-08-08]
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> written
                                > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                > he
                                > > > did on
                                > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                > out
                                > > > in his
                                > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                the
                                > > new
                                > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                shift?
                                > > The
                                > > > Zetas
                                > > > > >> have
                                > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                I
                                > > > would
                                > > > > >> like
                                > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                > X,
                                > > > and if
                                > > > > >> so
                                > > > > >> was
                                > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                > > > Friday the
                                > > > > >> CNN
                                > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                > > > "pause"
                                > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                4th
                                > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                > > declined
                                > > > to
                                > > > > >> comment.
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                > > consensus
                                > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                > his
                                > > > heart
                                > > > > >> and
                                > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                > > Obama
                                > > > looked
                                > > > > >> older
                                > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                > the
                                > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                > candidacy.
                                > > > Yet the
                                > > > > >> race
                                > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                > > causing
                                > > > him
                                > > > > >> loss
                                > > > > >> of
                                > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                not
                                > > > already
                                > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                > world
                                > > > and
                                > > > > >> what
                                > > > > >> the
                                > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                > also
                                > > > did not
                                > > > > >> learn
                                > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                > > > company
                                > > > > >> crimes,
                                > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                the
                                > > FBI
                                > > > and
                                > > > > >> the
                                > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                > > > planetary
                                > > > > >> presence
                                > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                He
                                > > had
                                > > > heard
                                > > > > >> the
                                > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                > > relayed
                                > > > to
                                > > > > >> him
                                > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                > > > confirmation.
                                > > > > >> Why would
                                > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                > US
                                > > > > >> boundaries
                                > > > > >> are
                                > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                > > cover-up,
                                > > > and
                                > > > > >> how
                                > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                > > been
                                > > > > >> decided.
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                > options
                                > > > in the
                                > > > > >> future.
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                > beliefs?
                                > > He
                                > > > is
                                > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                is
                                > > > Lincoln
                                > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                > > > > >> figuratively?
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                > > > recognize
                                > > > > >> early
                                > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                > > case,
                                > > > he
                                > > > > >> was
                                > > > > >> a
                                > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                > life
                                > > > > >> circumstances
                                > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                > human
                                > > > body
                                > > > > >> and
                                > > > > >> mind
                                > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                > > > conclusion
                                > > > > >> that
                                > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> The
                                > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> Election
                                > > > > >> Results
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> As predicted by
                                > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                result,
                                > > > state by
                                > > > > >> state,
                                > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                McCain
                                > > > ended up
                                > > > > >> in
                                > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                > to
                                > > > the
                                > > > > >> actual
                                > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                > > > > >>
                                > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                GOD
                                > is
                                > > > Not
                                > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > ------------------------------------
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