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  • masanga@talktalk.net
    It s good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama s new job either, especially under the present
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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      It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
      you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
      under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
      know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
      thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as the
      media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
      "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
      nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able to
      act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
      them to be.

      But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
      have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
      possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man, I
      expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
      waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
      powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
      course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
      promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
      rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
      they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
      "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
      can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
      hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.

      In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of the
      fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
      but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
      in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
      witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of free-market
      capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
      species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
      mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.

      He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
      "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
      "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
      illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
      questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
      humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture, for
      now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that humanity
      can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama and
      his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
      by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.

      Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
      shift too.

      Cheers Ted,
      Regan


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Ted
      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


      Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
      I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
      times.
      Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
      Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
      economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
      the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

      Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
      freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
      think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
      the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
      his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
      Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
      President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
      Good to see you're back.
      Later...
      Ted
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <masanga@...>
      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


      > Hi Ted,
      >
      > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
      > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
      > got
      > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
      > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
      > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
      > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
      > Barack
      > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
      > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
      > the
      > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
      > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
      > world-historic
      > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
      > not? I found this puzzling.
      >
      > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
      > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
      > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
      > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
      > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
      > whole
      > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
      > Lambremont
      > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
      > the
      > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
      > myself
      > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
      >
      > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
      > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
      > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
      > am
      > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
      > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
      > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
      > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
      > on
      > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
      > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
      > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
      > fact -
      > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
      > activity
      > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
      > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
      > that
      > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
      > consequences of doing it.
      >
      > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
      > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
      >
      > Warm regards,
      > Regan
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Ted
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > So you're back with a vengeance
      > Well I meant a quote.
      > .
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <masanga@...>
      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
      >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
      >> reported
      >> to have said:
      >>
      >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
      >> fantasies
      >> into the pit of destruction."
      >>
      >> Regan
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: nathaniel x vance
      >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> ZetaTalk:
      >> GodlikeProduction Live
      >>
      >> written
      >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      >>
      >> Questioner: Obama
      >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
      >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
      >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
      >> president, what does it mean for the
      >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
      >> have
      >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
      >> like
      >> to ask the Zetas if on
      >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
      >> so
      >> was
      >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
      >> CNN
      >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
      >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
      >> comment.
      >>
      >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
      >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
      >> and
      >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
      >> older
      >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
      >> race
      >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
      >> loss
      >> of
      >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
      >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
      >> what
      >> the
      >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
      >> learn
      >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
      >> crimes,
      >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
      >> the
      >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
      >> presence
      >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
      >> the
      >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
      >> him
      >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
      >> Why would
      >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
      >> boundaries
      >> are
      >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
      >> how
      >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
      >> decided.
      >>
      >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      >>
      >> Zeta response: This
      >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
      >> future.
      >>
      >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
      >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
      >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      >> figuratively?
      >>
      >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
      >> early
      >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
      >> was
      >> a
      >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      >> circumstances
      >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
      >> and
      >> mind
      >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
      >> that
      >> they have a new soul within.
      >>
      >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      >>
      >> The
      >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
      >>
      >> Issue 104,
      >> Sunday November 9, 2008
      >>
      >> Election
      >> Results
      >>
      >> As predicted by
      >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
      >> state,
      >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
      >> in
      >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
      >> actual
      >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      >>
      >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      >>
      >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
      >> MOCKED!
      >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      >> http://zetaheaven.org
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------
    • Ted
      We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still ... From: To: Sent: Friday, November 14,
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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        We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: <masanga@...>
        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:44 AM
        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


        > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
        > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
        > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
        > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
        > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as
        > the
        > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
        > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
        > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able
        > to
        > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
        > them to be.
        >
        > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
        > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
        > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man,
        > I
        > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
        > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
        > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
        > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
        > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
        > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
        > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
        > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
        > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
        > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
        >
        > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of
        > the
        > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
        > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
        > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
        > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
        > free-market
        > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
        > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
        > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
        >
        > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
        > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
        > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
        > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
        > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
        > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture,
        > for
        > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
        > humanity
        > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama
        > and
        > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
        > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
        >
        > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
        > shift too.
        >
        > Cheers Ted,
        > Regan
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: Ted
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
        > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
        > times.
        > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
        > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
        > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And
        > by
        > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
        >
        > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
        > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
        > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
        > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
        > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
        > things.
        > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
        > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
        > Good to see you're back.
        > Later...
        > Ted
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: <masanga@...>
        > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        >> Hi Ted,
        >>
        >> Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to
        >> get
        >> reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
        >> got
        >> back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
        >> In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and
        >> was
        >> struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
        >> although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
        >> Barack
        >> Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them.
        >> The
        >> masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
        >> the
        >> fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age
        >> has
        >> dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
        >> world-historic
        >> event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
        >> not? I found this puzzling.
        >>
        >> Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
        >> from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
        >> themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
        >> presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
        >> this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
        >> whole
        >> of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
        >> Lambremont
        >> Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
        >> the
        >> Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
        >> myself
        >> so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
        >>
        >> The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found
        >> no
        >> difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
        >> turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
        >> am
        >> confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
        >> service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want
        >> to
        >> get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may
        >> be.
        >> Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
        >> on
        >> the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among
        >> us
        >> who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
        >> response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
        >> fact -
        >> to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
        >> activity
        >> and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
        >> personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
        >> that
        >> if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
        >> consequences of doing it.
        >>
        >> I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
        >> made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
        >>
        >> Warm regards,
        >> Regan
        >>
        >>
        >> ----- Original Message -----
        >> From: Ted
        >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        >> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >>
        >>
        >> So you're back with a vengeance
        >> Well I meant a quote.
        >> .
        >> ----- Original Message -----
        >> From: <masanga@...>
        >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
        >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >>
        >>
        >>> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
        >>> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
        >>> reported
        >>> to have said:
        >>>
        >>> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
        >>> fantasies
        >>> into the pit of destruction."
        >>>
        >>> Regan
        >>>
        >>>
        >>> ----- Original Message -----
        >>> From: nathaniel x vance
        >>> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com
        >>> ;
        >>> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com
        >>> ;
        >>> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
        >>> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >>>
        >>>
        >>>
        >>>
        >>> ZetaTalk:
        >>> GodlikeProduction Live
        >>>
        >>> written
        >>> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        >>>
        >>> Questioner: Obama
        >>> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
        >>> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
        >>> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
        >>> president, what does it mean for the
        >>> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
        >>> have
        >>> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
        >>> like
        >>> to ask the Zetas if on
        >>> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
        >>> so
        >>> was
        >>> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
        >>> CNN
        >>> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
        >>> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        >>> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
        >>> comment.
        >>>
        >>> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
        >>> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
        >>> and
        >>> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
        >>> looked
        >>> older
        >>> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        >>> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet
        >>> the
        >>> race
        >>> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
        >>> loss
        >>> of
        >>> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
        >>> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
        >>> what
        >>> the
        >>> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did
        >>> not
        >>> learn
        >>> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
        >>> crimes,
        >>> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
        >>> the
        >>> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
        >>> presence
        >>> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
        >>> the
        >>> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
        >>> him
        >>> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
        >>> confirmation.
        >>> Why would
        >>> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
        >>> boundaries
        >>> are
        >>> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
        >>> how
        >>> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
        >>> decided.
        >>>
        >>> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        >>> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        >>>
        >>> Zeta response: This
        >>> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
        >>> future.
        >>>
        >>> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        >>> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
        >>> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
        >>> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        >>> figuratively?
        >>>
        >>> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        >>> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
        >>> early
        >>> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
        >>> was
        >>> a
        >>> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        >>> circumstances
        >>> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
        >>> and
        >>> mind
        >>> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
        >>> that
        >>> they have a new soul within.
        >>>
        >>> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        >>>
        >>> The
        >>> ZetaTalk Newsletter
        >>>
        >>> Issue 104,
        >>> Sunday November 9, 2008
        >>>
        >>> Election
        >>> Results
        >>>
        >>> As predicted by
        >>> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
        >>> state,
        >>> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        >>> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
        >>> in
        >>> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
        >>> actual
        >>> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        >>> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        >>>
        >>> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        >>>
        >>> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
        >>> MOCKED!
        >>> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        >>> http://zetaheaven.org
        >>
        >>
        >> ------------------------------------
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
      • masanga@talktalk.net
        Dear Nathaniel, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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          Dear Nathaniel,

          "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain
          number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
          wicked...."

          Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes of our
          lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone else
          in this respect.

          ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would win
          despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."

          So did a lot of other people predict it too and without needing any
          "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the "seemingly
          insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He seemed to
          have a clear run to me.

          ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."

          Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible about
          that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.

          "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and praises
          to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted
          him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected
          around the clock 24/7!!"

          You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
          meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really in
          defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
          Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up to
          the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
          supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a system
          of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where the
          people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become the
          all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
          Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken office
          yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit for
          becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.

          "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She is
          doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness for the
          wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."

          I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as I see
          it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be as you
          say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
          transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I think she
          is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is independent
          of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting the
          existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the anonymous
          "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on sheer
          blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of the
          terms.

          ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed and
          sconld...."

          What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or scold
          her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially and
          objectively.

          "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
          intransigence...."

          How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to compromise" and
          to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us to
          make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder what
          they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think she
          cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price. But
          then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.

          "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance of
          the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
          Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."

          Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or
          is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
          statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which she has
          now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which you
          posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she can
          turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into an
          alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or even
          appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence? It is
          nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing to pay
          before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too high for
          me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
          picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
          perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
          ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a lie the
          next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
          appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.

          Regards,
          Regan


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: nathaniel x vance
          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
          Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          Dear Regan, Ted,
          President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
          greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
          barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
          him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
          afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
          and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
          victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
          24/7!!
          I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
          is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
          for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
          righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
          and sconld.
          We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
          intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
          less!
          Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
          >
          > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
          at
          > times.
          > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
          > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
          the
          > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
          And by
          > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
          >
          > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
          mae,
          > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
          would
          > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
          into
          > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
          and
          > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
          things.
          > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
          for
          > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
          friends.
          > Good to see you're back.
          > Later...
          > Ted
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: masanga@...
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > > Hi Ted,
          > >
          > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
          to get
          > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
          eventually
          > > got
          > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
          my
          > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
          and was
          > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
          forum
          > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
          of
          > > Barack
          > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
          them. The
          > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
          joy in
          > > the
          > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
          age has
          > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          > > world-historic
          > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
          Why
          > > not? I found this puzzling.
          > >
          > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
          election
          > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
          politicians
          > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
          that
          > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
          constitutes
          > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
          the
          > > whole
          > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          > > Lambremont
          > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
          remove
          > > the
          > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
          > > myself
          > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
          > >
          > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
          found no
          > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
          from
          > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
          whenever I
          > > am
          > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
          that
          > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
          want to
          > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
          may be.
          > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
          Zeta -
          > > on
          > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
          among us
          > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
          So my
          > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
          > > fact -
          > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
          > > activity
          > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
          > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
          do
          > > that
          > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
          natural
          > > consequences of doing it.
          > >
          > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
          now
          > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          > >
          > > Warm regards,
          > > Regan
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: Ted
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > > So you're back with a vengeance
          > > Well I meant a quote.
          > > .
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: masanga@...
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
          words of
          > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
          > >> reported
          > >> to have said:
          > >>
          > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          > >> fantasies
          > >> into the pit of destruction."
          > >>
          > >> Regan
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> ----- Original Message -----
          > >> From: nathaniel x vance
          > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
          TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
          ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
          earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> ZetaTalk:
          > >> GodlikeProduction Live
          > >>
          > >> written
          > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          > >>
          > >> Questioner: Obama
          > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
          did on
          > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
          in his
          > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
          > >> president, what does it mean for the
          > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
          Zetas
          > >> have
          > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
          would
          > >> like
          > >> to ask the Zetas if on
          > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
          and if
          > >> so
          > >> was
          > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
          Friday the
          > >> CNN
          > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
          "pause"
          > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
          to
          > >> comment.
          > >>
          > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
          > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
          heart
          > >> and
          > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
          looked
          > >> older
          > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
          > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
          Yet the
          > >> race
          > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
          him
          > >> loss
          > >> of
          > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
          already
          > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
          and
          > >> what
          > >> the
          > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
          did not
          > >> learn
          > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
          company
          > >> crimes,
          > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
          and
          > >> the
          > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
          planetary
          > >> presence
          > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
          heard
          > >> the
          > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
          to
          > >> him
          > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
          confirmation.
          > >> Why would
          > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
          > >> boundaries
          > >> are
          > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
          and
          > >> how
          > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
          > >> decided.
          > >>
          > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          > >>
          > >> Zeta response: This
          > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
          in the
          > >> future.
          > >>
          > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
          is
          > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
          Lincoln
          > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          > >> figuratively?
          > >>
          > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
          recognize
          > >> early
          > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
          he
          > >> was
          > >> a
          > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
          > >> circumstances
          > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
          body
          > >> and
          > >> mind
          > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
          conclusion
          > >> that
          > >> they have a new soul within.
          > >>
          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          > >>
          > >> The
          > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          > >>
          > >> Issue 104,
          > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          > >>
          > >> Election
          > >> Results
          > >>
          > >> As predicted by
          > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
          state by
          > >> state,
          > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
          ended up
          > >> in
          > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
          the
          > >> actual
          > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          > >>
          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          > >>
          > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
          Not
          > >> MOCKED!
          > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          > >> http://zetaheaven.org
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------------------------------
        • nathaniel x vance
          Dear masanga, Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
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            Dear masanga,
            Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
            must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
            rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
            of some kind of powerful medication?
            I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
            not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
            on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
            shouldn't be floating around up in there.
            My sympathy.

            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
            >
            > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
            Like
            > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
            especially
            > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
            not
            > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
            he
            > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
            as the
            > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
            > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
            powerful
            > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
            able to
            > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
            perceives
            > them to be.
            >
            > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
            probably
            > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
            his
            > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
            man, I
            > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
            in
            > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
            > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
            of
            > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
            > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
            > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
            that
            > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
            > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
            saviour
            > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
            can
            > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
            >
            > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
            of the
            > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
            problem
            > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
            that is
            > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
            > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
            free-market
            > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
            intelligent
            > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
            collective
            > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
            >
            > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
            worshipping
            > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
            in
            > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
            > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
            > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
            underlie
            > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
            torture, for
            > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
            humanity
            > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
            Obama and
            > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
            identified
            > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
            >
            > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
            pole
            > shift too.
            >
            > Cheers Ted,
            > Regan
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Ted
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
            at
            > times.
            > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
            > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
            the
            > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
            And by
            > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
            >
            > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
            mae,
            > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
            would
            > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
            into
            > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
            and
            > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
            things.
            > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
            for
            > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
            friends.
            > Good to see you're back.
            > Later...
            > Ted
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: masanga@...
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > > Hi Ted,
            > >
            > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
            to get
            > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
            eventually
            > > got
            > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
            my
            > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
            and was
            > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
            forum
            > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
            of
            > > Barack
            > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
            them. The
            > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
            joy in
            > > the
            > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
            age has
            > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            > > world-historic
            > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
            Why
            > > not? I found this puzzling.
            > >
            > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
            election
            > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
            politicians
            > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
            that
            > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
            constitutes
            > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
            the
            > > whole
            > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            > > Lambremont
            > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
            remove
            > > the
            > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
            > > myself
            > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
            > >
            > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
            found no
            > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
            from
            > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
            whenever I
            > > am
            > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
            that
            > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
            want to
            > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
            may be.
            > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
            Zeta -
            > > on
            > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
            among us
            > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
            So my
            > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
            > > fact -
            > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
            > > activity
            > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
            > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
            do
            > > that
            > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
            natural
            > > consequences of doing it.
            > >
            > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
            now
            > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            > >
            > > Warm regards,
            > > Regan
            > >
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: Ted
            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >
            > >
            > > So you're back with a vengeance
            > > Well I meant a quote.
            > > .
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: masanga@...
            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >
            > >
            > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
            words of
            > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
            > >> reported
            > >> to have said:
            > >>
            > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            > >> fantasies
            > >> into the pit of destruction."
            > >>
            > >> Regan
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> ----- Original Message -----
            > >> From: nathaniel x vance
            > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
            TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
            ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
            earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> ZetaTalk:
            > >> GodlikeProduction Live
            > >>
            > >> written
            > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            > >>
            > >> Questioner: Obama
            > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
            did on
            > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
            in his
            > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
            > >> president, what does it mean for the
            > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
            Zetas
            > >> have
            > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
            would
            > >> like
            > >> to ask the Zetas if on
            > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
            and if
            > >> so
            > >> was
            > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
            Friday the
            > >> CNN
            > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
            "pause"
            > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
            to
            > >> comment.
            > >>
            > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
            > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
            heart
            > >> and
            > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
            looked
            > >> older
            > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
            > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
            Yet the
            > >> race
            > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
            him
            > >> loss
            > >> of
            > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
            already
            > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
            and
            > >> what
            > >> the
            > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
            did not
            > >> learn
            > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
            company
            > >> crimes,
            > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
            and
            > >> the
            > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
            planetary
            > >> presence
            > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
            heard
            > >> the
            > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
            to
            > >> him
            > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
            confirmation.
            > >> Why would
            > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
            > >> boundaries
            > >> are
            > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
            and
            > >> how
            > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
            > >> decided.
            > >>
            > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            > >>
            > >> Zeta response: This
            > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
            in the
            > >> future.
            > >>
            > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
            is
            > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
            Lincoln
            > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            > >> figuratively?
            > >>
            > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
            recognize
            > >> early
            > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
            he
            > >> was
            > >> a
            > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
            > >> circumstances
            > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
            body
            > >> and
            > >> mind
            > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
            conclusion
            > >> that
            > >> they have a new soul within.
            > >>
            > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            > >>
            > >> The
            > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            > >>
            > >> Issue 104,
            > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            > >>
            > >> Election
            > >> Results
            > >>
            > >> As predicted by
            > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
            state by
            > >> state,
            > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
            ended up
            > >> in
            > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
            the
            > >> actual
            > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            > >>
            > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            > >>
            > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
            Not
            > >> MOCKED!
            > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            > >> http://zetaheaven.org
            > >
            > >
            > > ------------------------------------
            >
          • nathaniel x vance
            Dear masanga, I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of seven.
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
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              Dear masanga,
              I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
              your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
              seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
              crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
              your answer be?
              Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
              someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
              you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
              UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
              to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
              his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
              would qualify.
              As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
              level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
              Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
              >
              > Dear Nathaniel,
              >
              > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              certain
              > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
              > wicked...."
              >
              > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
              of our
              > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
              else
              > in this respect.
              >
              > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
              win
              > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
              >
              > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
              needing any
              > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
              "seemingly
              > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
              seemed to
              > have a clear run to me.
              >
              > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
              >
              > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
              about
              > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
              >
              > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
              praises
              > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
              asssisted
              > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
              protected
              > around the clock 24/7!!"
              >
              > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
              > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
              in
              > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
              > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
              to
              > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
              > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
              system
              > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
              the
              > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
              the
              > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
              > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
              office
              > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
              for
              > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
              >
              > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
              She is
              > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
              for the
              > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
              >
              > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
              I see
              > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
              as you
              > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
              > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
              think she
              > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
              independent
              > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
              the
              > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
              anonymous
              > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
              sheer
              > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
              the
              > terms.
              >
              > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              and
              > sconld...."
              >
              > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
              scold
              > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
              and
              > objectively.
              >
              > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
              morbid
              > intransigence...."
              >
              > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
              compromise" and
              > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
              to
              > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
              what
              > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
              she
              > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
              But
              > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
              >
              > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
              of
              > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
              > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
              >
              > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
              we? Or
              > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
              > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
              she has
              > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
              you
              > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
              can
              > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
              an
              > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
              even
              > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
              It is
              > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
              to pay
              > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
              high for
              > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
              > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
              > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
              > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
              lie the
              > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
              > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
              >
              > Regards,
              > Regan
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: nathaniel x vance
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > Dear Regan, Ted,
              > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
              > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
              > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
              > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
              > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
              > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
              this
              > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
              > 24/7!!
              > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
              > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
              consciousness
              > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
              > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              > and sconld.
              > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
              or
              > less!
              > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
              >
              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
              > >
              > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
              bitch
              > at
              > > times.
              > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
              > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
              > the
              > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
              count.
              > And by
              > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              > >
              > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
              FANNIE
              > mae,
              > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              > would
              > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
              > into
              > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
              idea,
              > and
              > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              > things.
              > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
              name
              > for
              > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              > friends.
              > > Good to see you're back.
              > > Later...
              > > Ted
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: masanga@
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > > > Hi Ted,
              > > >
              > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              > to get
              > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              > eventually
              > > > got
              > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
              in
              > my
              > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
              > and was
              > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              > forum
              > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
              > of
              > > > Barack
              > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              > them. The
              > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
              > joy in
              > > > the
              > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
              > age has
              > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              > > > world-historic
              > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
              here.
              > Why
              > > > not? I found this puzzling.
              > > >
              > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              > election
              > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              > politicians
              > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
              > that
              > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              > constitutes
              > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              > the
              > > > whole
              > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              > > > Lambremont
              > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
              > remove
              > > > the
              > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
              anything
              > > > myself
              > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
              > > >
              > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              > found no
              > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
              > from
              > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              > whenever I
              > > > am
              > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              > that
              > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
              > want to
              > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
              > may be.
              > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
              > Zeta -
              > > > on
              > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
              > among us
              > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
              > So my
              > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
              in
              > > > fact -
              > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
              > > > activity
              > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
              their
              > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
              > do
              > > > that
              > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              > natural
              > > > consequences of doing it.
              > > >
              > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              > now
              > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              > > >
              > > > Warm regards,
              > > > Regan
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: Ted
              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              [11-08-08]
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > So you're back with a vengeance
              > > > Well I meant a quote.
              > > > .
              > > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > > From: masanga@
              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
              [11-08-08]
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              > words of
              > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
              > > >> reported
              > > >> to have said:
              > > >>
              > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              > > >> fantasies
              > > >> into the pit of destruction."
              > > >>
              > > >> Regan
              > > >>
              > > >>
              > > >> ----- Original Message -----
              > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > > >>
              > > >>
              > > >>
              > > >>
              > > >> ZetaTalk:
              > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              > > >>
              > > >> written
              > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              > > >>
              > > >> Questioner: Obama
              > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
              > did on
              > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
              > in his
              > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
              new
              > > >> president, what does it mean for the
              > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
              The
              > Zetas
              > > >> have
              > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              > would
              > > >> like
              > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
              > and if
              > > >> so
              > > >> was
              > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              > Friday the
              > > >> CNN
              > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              > "pause"
              > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
              declined
              > to
              > > >> comment.
              > > >>
              > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
              consensus
              > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
              > heart
              > > >> and
              > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
              Obama
              > looked
              > > >> older
              > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
              > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
              > Yet the
              > > >> race
              > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
              causing
              > him
              > > >> loss
              > > >> of
              > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              > already
              > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
              > and
              > > >> what
              > > >> the
              > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
              > did not
              > > >> learn
              > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              > company
              > > >> crimes,
              > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
              FBI
              > and
              > > >> the
              > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              > planetary
              > > >> presence
              > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
              had
              > heard
              > > >> the
              > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
              relayed
              > to
              > > >> him
              > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              > confirmation.
              > > >> Why would
              > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
              > > >> boundaries
              > > >> are
              > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
              cover-up,
              > and
              > > >> how
              > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
              been
              > > >> decided.
              > > >>
              > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              > > >>
              > > >> Zeta response: This
              > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
              > in the
              > > >> future.
              > > >>
              > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
              He
              > is
              > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              > Lincoln
              > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              > > >> figuratively?
              > > >>
              > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              > recognize
              > > >> early
              > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
              case,
              > he
              > > >> was
              > > >> a
              > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
              > > >> circumstances
              > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
              > body
              > > >> and
              > > >> mind
              > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              > conclusion
              > > >> that
              > > >> they have a new soul within.
              > > >>
              > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              > > >>
              > > >> The
              > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              > > >>
              > > >> Issue 104,
              > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              > > >>
              > > >> Election
              > > >> Results
              > > >>
              > > >> As predicted by
              > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              > state by
              > > >> state,
              > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              > ended up
              > > >> in
              > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
              > the
              > > >> actual
              > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              > > >>
              > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              > > >>
              > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
              > Not
              > > >> MOCKED!
              > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > ------------------------------------
              >



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            • masanga@talktalk.net
              Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
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                Nathaniel,

                The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
                situation. You are evading the issue.

                Regan


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: nathaniel x vance
                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
                Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                Dear masanga,
                Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                of some kind of powerful medication?
                I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                My sympathy.

                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                >
                > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                Like
                > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                especially
                > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                not
                > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                he
                > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                as the
                > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                powerful
                > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                able to
                > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                perceives
                > them to be.
                >
                > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                probably
                > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                his
                > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                man, I
                > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                in
                > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                of
                > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                that
                > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                saviour
                > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                can
                > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                >
                > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                of the
                > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                problem
                > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                that is
                > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                free-market
                > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                intelligent
                > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                collective
                > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                >
                > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                worshipping
                > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                in
                > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                underlie
                > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                torture, for
                > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                humanity
                > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                Obama and
                > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                identified
                > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                >
                > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                pole
                > shift too.
                >
                > Cheers Ted,
                > Regan
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Ted
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                at
                > times.
                > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                the
                > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                And by
                > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                >
                > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                mae,
                > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                would
                > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                into
                > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                and
                > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                things.
                > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                for
                > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                friends.
                > Good to see you're back.
                > Later...
                > Ted
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: masanga@...
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > > Hi Ted,
                > >
                > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                to get
                > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                eventually
                > > got
                > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                my
                > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                and was
                > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                forum
                > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                of
                > > Barack
                > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                them. The
                > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                joy in
                > > the
                > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                age has
                > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                > > world-historic
                > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                Why
                > > not? I found this puzzling.
                > >
                > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                election
                > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                politicians
                > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                that
                > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                constitutes
                > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                the
                > > whole
                > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                > > Lambremont
                > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                remove
                > > the
                > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                > > myself
                > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                > >
                > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                found no
                > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                from
                > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                whenever I
                > > am
                > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                that
                > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                want to
                > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                may be.
                > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                Zeta -
                > > on
                > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                among us
                > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                So my
                > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                > > fact -
                > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                > > activity
                > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                do
                > > that
                > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                natural
                > > consequences of doing it.
                > >
                > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                now
                > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                > >
                > > Warm regards,
                > > Regan
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Ted
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > > So you're back with a vengeance
                > > Well I meant a quote.
                > > .
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: masanga@...
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                words of
                > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                > >> reported
                > >> to have said:
                > >>
                > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                > >> fantasies
                > >> into the pit of destruction."
                > >>
                > >> Regan
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ----- Original Message -----
                > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ZetaTalk:
                > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                > >>
                > >> written
                > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Obama
                > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                did on
                > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                in his
                > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                > >> president, what does it mean for the
                > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                Zetas
                > >> have
                > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                would
                > >> like
                > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                and if
                > >> so
                > >> was
                > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                Friday the
                > >> CNN
                > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                "pause"
                > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                to
                > >> comment.
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                heart
                > >> and
                > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                looked
                > >> older
                > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                Yet the
                > >> race
                > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                him
                > >> loss
                > >> of
                > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                already
                > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                and
                > >> what
                > >> the
                > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                did not
                > >> learn
                > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                company
                > >> crimes,
                > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                and
                > >> the
                > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                planetary
                > >> presence
                > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                heard
                > >> the
                > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                to
                > >> him
                > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                confirmation.
                > >> Why would
                > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                > >> boundaries
                > >> are
                > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                and
                > >> how
                > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                > >> decided.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: This
                > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                in the
                > >> future.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                is
                > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                Lincoln
                > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                > >> figuratively?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                recognize
                > >> early
                > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                he
                > >> was
                > >> a
                > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                > >> circumstances
                > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                body
                > >> and
                > >> mind
                > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                conclusion
                > >> that
                > >> they have a new soul within.
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                > >>
                > >> The
                > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                > >>
                > >> Issue 104,
                > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                > >>
                > >> Election
                > >> Results
                > >>
                > >> As predicted by
                > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                state by
                > >> state,
                > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                ended up
                > >> in
                > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                the
                > >> actual
                > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                > >>
                > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                Not
                > >> MOCKED!
                > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
              • masanga@talktalk.net
                Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
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                  Nathaniel,

                  I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
                  mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                  compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                  extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
                  unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
                  and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
                  they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                  automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
                  that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
                  Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
                  come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
                  this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
                  and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                  confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
                  to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
                  down to absolute zero in time.

                  I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
                  from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
                  want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
                  first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
                  that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

                  Sincerely,
                  Regan (masanga)


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: nathaniel x vance
                  To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                  Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                  Dear masanga,
                  I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                  your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                  seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                  crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                  your answer be?
                  Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                  someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                  you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                  UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                  to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                  his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                  would qualify.
                  As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                  level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                  Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Dear Nathaniel,
                  >
                  > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  certain
                  > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                  > wicked...."
                  >
                  > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                  of our
                  > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                  else
                  > in this respect.
                  >
                  > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                  win
                  > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                  >
                  > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                  needing any
                  > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                  "seemingly
                  > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                  seemed to
                  > have a clear run to me.
                  >
                  > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                  >
                  > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                  about
                  > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                  >
                  > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                  praises
                  > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                  asssisted
                  > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                  protected
                  > around the clock 24/7!!"
                  >
                  > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                  > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                  in
                  > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                  > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                  to
                  > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                  > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                  system
                  > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                  the
                  > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                  the
                  > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                  > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                  office
                  > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                  for
                  > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                  >
                  > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  She is
                  > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                  for the
                  > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                  >
                  > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                  I see
                  > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                  as you
                  > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                  > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                  think she
                  > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                  independent
                  > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                  the
                  > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                  anonymous
                  > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                  sheer
                  > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                  the
                  > terms.
                  >
                  > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                  and
                  > sconld...."
                  >
                  > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                  scold
                  > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                  and
                  > objectively.
                  >
                  > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  morbid
                  > intransigence...."
                  >
                  > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                  compromise" and
                  > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                  to
                  > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                  what
                  > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                  she
                  > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                  But
                  > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                  >
                  > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                  of
                  > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                  > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                  >
                  > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                  we? Or
                  > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                  > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                  she has
                  > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                  you
                  > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                  can
                  > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                  an
                  > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                  even
                  > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                  It is
                  > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                  to pay
                  > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                  high for
                  > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                  > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                  > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                  > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                  lie the
                  > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                  > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                  >
                  > Regards,
                  > Regan
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > Dear Regan, Ted,
                  > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                  > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                  > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                  > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                  > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                  > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                  this
                  > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                  > 24/7!!
                  > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                  > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  consciousness
                  > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                  > and sconld.
                  > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                  > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                  or
                  > less!
                  > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                  >
                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                  bitch
                  > at
                  > > times.
                  > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                  > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                  > the
                  > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                  count.
                  > And by
                  > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  > >
                  > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                  FANNIE
                  > mae,
                  > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                  > would
                  > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                  > into
                  > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                  idea,
                  > and
                  > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                  > things.
                  > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                  name
                  > for
                  > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  > friends.
                  > > Good to see you're back.
                  > > Later...
                  > > Ted
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: masanga@
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > > Hi Ted,
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  > to get
                  > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  > eventually
                  > > > got
                  > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                  in
                  > my
                  > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                  > and was
                  > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                  > forum
                  > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                  > of
                  > > > Barack
                  > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                  > them. The
                  > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                  > joy in
                  > > > the
                  > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                  > age has
                  > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  > > > world-historic
                  > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                  here.
                  > Why
                  > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  > > >
                  > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  > election
                  > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  > politicians
                  > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                  > that
                  > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  > constitutes
                  > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                  > the
                  > > > whole
                  > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  > > > Lambremont
                  > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                  > remove
                  > > > the
                  > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                  anything
                  > > > myself
                  > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                  > > >
                  > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  > found no
                  > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                  > from
                  > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  > whenever I
                  > > > am
                  > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                  > that
                  > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                  > want to
                  > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                  > may be.
                  > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                  > Zeta -
                  > > > on
                  > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                  > among us
                  > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                  > So my
                  > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                  in
                  > > > fact -
                  > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                  > > > activity
                  > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                  their
                  > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                  > do
                  > > > that
                  > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  > natural
                  > > > consequences of doing it.
                  > > >
                  > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  > now
                  > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  > > >
                  > > > Warm regards,
                  > > > Regan
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: Ted
                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  > > > Well I meant a quote.
                  > > > .
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: masanga@
                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  > words of
                  > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                  > > >> reported
                  > > >> to have said:
                  > > >>
                  > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  > > >> fantasies
                  > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Regan
                  > > >>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > > >>
                  > > >>
                  > > >>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> ZetaTalk:
                  > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  > > >>
                  > > >> written
                  > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Questioner: Obama
                  > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                  > did on
                  > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                  > in his
                  > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                  new
                  > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                  The
                  > Zetas
                  > > >> have
                  > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                  > would
                  > > >> like
                  > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                  > and if
                  > > >> so
                  > > >> was
                  > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                  > Friday the
                  > > >> CNN
                  > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  > "pause"
                  > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                  declined
                  > to
                  > > >> comment.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                  consensus
                  > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                  > heart
                  > > >> and
                  > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                  Obama
                  > looked
                  > > >> older
                  > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                  > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                  > Yet the
                  > > >> race
                  > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                  causing
                  > him
                  > > >> loss
                  > > >> of
                  > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                  > already
                  > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                  > and
                  > > >> what
                  > > >> the
                  > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                  > did not
                  > > >> learn
                  > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                  > company
                  > > >> crimes,
                  > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                  FBI
                  > and
                  > > >> the
                  > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  > planetary
                  > > >> presence
                  > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                  had
                  > heard
                  > > >> the
                  > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                  relayed
                  > to
                  > > >> him
                  > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  > confirmation.
                  > > >> Why would
                  > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                  > > >> boundaries
                  > > >> are
                  > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                  cover-up,
                  > and
                  > > >> how
                  > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                  been
                  > > >> decided.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Zeta response: This
                  > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                  > in the
                  > > >> future.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                  He
                  > is
                  > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                  > Lincoln
                  > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  > > >> figuratively?
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  > recognize
                  > > >> early
                  > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                  case,
                  > he
                  > > >> was
                  > > >> a
                  > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                  > > >> circumstances
                  > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                  > body
                  > > >> and
                  > > >> mind
                  > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  > conclusion
                  > > >> that
                  > > >> they have a new soul within.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> The
                  > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Issue 104,
                  > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Election
                  > > >> Results
                  > > >>
                  > > >> As predicted by
                  > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                  > state by
                  > > >> state,
                  > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                  > ended up
                  > > >> in
                  > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                  > the
                  > > >> actual
                  > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                  > Not
                  > > >> MOCKED!
                  > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ------------------------------------
                • nathaniel x vance
                  masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
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                    masanga,
                    Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                    what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                    masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                    you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                    At any rate, I wish you well.

                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Nathaniel,
                    >
                    > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                    that my
                    > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                    great
                    > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                    > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                    knowledge,
                    > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                    desires,
                    > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                    as
                    > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                    > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                    said
                    > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                    And
                    > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                    children to
                    > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                    for
                    > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                    long
                    > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                    > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                    encouragement
                    > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                    mental age
                    > down to absolute zero in time.
                    >
                    > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                    break
                    > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                    don't
                    > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                    in the
                    > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                    suggest
                    > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                    >
                    > Sincerely,
                    > Regan (masanga)
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > Dear masanga,
                    > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                    > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                    > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                    > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                    would
                    > your answer be?
                    > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                    > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                    Can
                    > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                    a
                    > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                    > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                    Obama,
                    > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                    earth
                    > would qualify.
                    > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                    > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                    > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                    >
                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Dear Nathaniel,
                    > >
                    > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    > certain
                    > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                    > > wicked...."
                    > >
                    > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                    > of our
                    > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                    anyone
                    > else
                    > > in this respect.
                    > >
                    > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                    would
                    > win
                    > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                    > >
                    > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                    > needing any
                    > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                    > "seemingly
                    > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                    > seemed to
                    > > have a clear run to me.
                    > >
                    > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                    > >
                    > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                    > about
                    > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                    > >
                    > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                    > praises
                    > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                    > asssisted
                    > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                    > protected
                    > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                    > >
                    > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                    > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                    > in
                    > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                    > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                    up
                    > to
                    > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                    is
                    > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                    > system
                    > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                    where
                    > the
                    > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                    > the
                    > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                    "Emperor").
                    > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                    > office
                    > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                    > for
                    > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                    > >
                    > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    > She is
                    > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                    > for the
                    > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                    > >
                    > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                    > I see
                    > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                    > as you
                    > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                    > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                    > think she
                    > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                    > independent
                    > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                    > the
                    > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                    > anonymous
                    > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                    > sheer
                    > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                    > the
                    > > terms.
                    > >
                    > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                    > and
                    > > sconld...."
                    > >
                    > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                    > scold
                    > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                    > and
                    > > objectively.
                    > >
                    > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    > morbid
                    > > intransigence...."
                    > >
                    > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                    > compromise" and
                    > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                    us
                    > to
                    > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                    > what
                    > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                    > she
                    > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                    price.
                    > But
                    > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                    > >
                    > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    re-appearance
                    > of
                    > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                    > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    arguments."
                    > >
                    > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                    > we? Or
                    > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                    > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                    > she has
                    > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                    which
                    > you
                    > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                    > can
                    > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                    > an
                    > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                    > even
                    > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                    > It is
                    > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                    > to pay
                    > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                    > high for
                    > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                    > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                    own
                    > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                    > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                    > lie the
                    > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                    > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                    > >
                    > > Regards,
                    > > Regan
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                    > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                    > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                    the
                    > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                    > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                    > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                    be
                    > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                    team
                    > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                    > this
                    > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                    clock
                    > > 24/7!!
                    > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    She
                    > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    > consciousness
                    > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                    rediculed
                    > > and sconld.
                    > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                    > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                    > or
                    > > less!
                    > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                    arguments.
                    > >
                    > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                    > bitch
                    > > at
                    > > > times.
                    > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                    me.
                    > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                    slightest,
                    > > the
                    > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                    > count.
                    > > And by
                    > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    > > >
                    > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                    > FANNIE
                    > > mae,
                    > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                    > > would
                    > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                    money
                    > > into
                    > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                    > idea,
                    > > and
                    > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                    > > things.
                    > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                    > name
                    > > for
                    > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    > > friends.
                    > > > Good to see you're back.
                    > > > Later...
                    > > > Ted
                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > From: masanga@
                    > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > > Hi Ted,
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    > > to get
                    > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    > > eventually
                    > > > > got
                    > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                    me
                    > in
                    > > my
                    > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                    days
                    > > and was
                    > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                    > > forum
                    > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                    election
                    > > of
                    > > > > Barack
                    > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                    > > them. The
                    > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                    of
                    > > joy in
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                    new
                    > > age has
                    > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    > > > > world-historic
                    > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                    > here.
                    > > Why
                    > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    > > election
                    > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    > > politicians
                    > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                    view
                    > > that
                    > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    > > constitutes
                    > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                    > > the
                    > > > > whole
                    > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                    > > > > Lambremont
                    > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                    to
                    > > remove
                    > > > > the
                    > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                    > anything
                    > > > > myself
                    > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                    either.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    > > found no
                    > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                    myself
                    > > from
                    > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    > > whenever I
                    > > > > am
                    > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                    > > that
                    > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                    don't
                    > > want to
                    > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                    spectacle
                    > > may be.
                    > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                    the
                    > > Zeta -
                    > > > > on
                    > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                    those
                    > > among us
                    > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                    it.
                    > > So my
                    > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                    warning
                    > in
                    > > > > fact -
                    > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                    cult-building
                    > > > > activity
                    > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                    > their
                    > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                    to
                    > > do
                    > > > > that
                    > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    > > natural
                    > > > > consequences of doing it.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    > > now
                    > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Warm regards,
                    > > > > Regan
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > From: Ted
                    > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > [11-08-08]
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                    > > > > .
                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > > From: masanga@
                    > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    > [11-08-08]
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    > > words of
                    > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                    is
                    > > > >> reported
                    > > > >> to have said:
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    > > > >> fantasies
                    > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Regan
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                    > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> written
                    > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                    > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                    he
                    > > did on
                    > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                    out
                    > > in his
                    > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                    > new
                    > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                    > The
                    > > Zetas
                    > > > >> have
                    > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                    > > would
                    > > > >> like
                    > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                    X,
                    > > and if
                    > > > >> so
                    > > > >> was
                    > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                    > > Friday the
                    > > > >> CNN
                    > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    > > "pause"
                    > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                    > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                    > declined
                    > > to
                    > > > >> comment.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                    > consensus
                    > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                    his
                    > > heart
                    > > > >> and
                    > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                    > Obama
                    > > looked
                    > > > >> older
                    > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                    the
                    > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                    candidacy.
                    > > Yet the
                    > > > >> race
                    > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                    > causing
                    > > him
                    > > > >> loss
                    > > > >> of
                    > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                    > > already
                    > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                    world
                    > > and
                    > > > >> what
                    > > > >> the
                    > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                    also
                    > > did not
                    > > > >> learn
                    > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                    > > company
                    > > > >> crimes,
                    > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                    > FBI
                    > > and
                    > > > >> the
                    > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    > > planetary
                    > > > >> presence
                    > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                    > had
                    > > heard
                    > > > >> the
                    > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                    > relayed
                    > > to
                    > > > >> him
                    > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    > > confirmation.
                    > > > >> Why would
                    > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                    US
                    > > > >> boundaries
                    > > > >> are
                    > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                    > cover-up,
                    > > and
                    > > > >> how
                    > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                    > been
                    > > > >> decided.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Zeta response: This
                    > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                    options
                    > > in the
                    > > > >> future.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                    beliefs?
                    > He
                    > > is
                    > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                    > > Lincoln
                    > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    > > > >> figuratively?
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    > > recognize
                    > > > >> early
                    > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                    > case,
                    > > he
                    > > > >> was
                    > > > >> a
                    > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                    life
                    > > > >> circumstances
                    > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                    human
                    > > body
                    > > > >> and
                    > > > >> mind
                    > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    > > conclusion
                    > > > >> that
                    > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> The
                    > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Issue 104,
                    > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> Election
                    > > > >> Results
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> As predicted by
                    > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                    > > state by
                    > > > >> state,
                    > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                    > > ended up
                    > > > >> in
                    > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                    to
                    > > the
                    > > > >> actual
                    > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    > > > >>
                    > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                    is
                    > > Not
                    > > > >> MOCKED!
                    > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    > > > >
                    > > > >
                    > > > > ------------------------------------
                    >
                  • masanga@talktalk.net
                    Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
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                      Nathaniel,

                      Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

                      You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                      Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
                      me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                      whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                      multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                      must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                      only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

                      Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                      commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                      acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                      view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
                      can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

                      But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                      know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
                      it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
                      me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                      business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                      commission without concerning myself with his too.

                      Regan (masanga)


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: nathaniel x vance
                      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                      masanga,
                      Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                      what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                      masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                      you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                      At any rate, I wish you well.

                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Nathaniel,
                      >
                      > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                      that my
                      > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                      great
                      > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                      > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                      knowledge,
                      > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                      desires,
                      > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                      as
                      > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                      > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                      said
                      > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                      And
                      > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                      children to
                      > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                      for
                      > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                      long
                      > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                      > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                      encouragement
                      > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                      mental age
                      > down to absolute zero in time.
                      >
                      > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                      break
                      > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                      don't
                      > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                      in the
                      > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                      suggest
                      > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                      >
                      > Sincerely,
                      > Regan (masanga)
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > Dear masanga,
                      > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                      > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                      > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                      > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                      would
                      > your answer be?
                      > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                      > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                      Can
                      > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                      a
                      > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                      > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                      Obama,
                      > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                      earth
                      > would qualify.
                      > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                      > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                      > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                      >
                      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Dear Nathaniel,
                      > >
                      > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      > certain
                      > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                      > > wicked...."
                      > >
                      > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                      > of our
                      > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                      anyone
                      > else
                      > > in this respect.
                      > >
                      > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                      would
                      > win
                      > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                      > >
                      > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                      > needing any
                      > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                      > "seemingly
                      > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                      > seemed to
                      > > have a clear run to me.
                      > >
                      > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                      > >
                      > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                      > about
                      > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                      > >
                      > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                      > praises
                      > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                      > asssisted
                      > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                      > protected
                      > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                      > >
                      > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                      > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                      > in
                      > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                      > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                      up
                      > to
                      > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                      is
                      > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                      > system
                      > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                      where
                      > the
                      > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                      > the
                      > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                      "Emperor").
                      > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                      > office
                      > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                      > for
                      > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                      > >
                      > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                      > She is
                      > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                      > for the
                      > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                      > >
                      > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                      > I see
                      > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                      > as you
                      > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                      > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                      > think she
                      > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                      > independent
                      > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                      > the
                      > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                      > anonymous
                      > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                      > sheer
                      > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                      > the
                      > > terms.
                      > >
                      > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                      > and
                      > > sconld...."
                      > >
                      > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                      > scold
                      > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                      > and
                      > > objectively.
                      > >
                      > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      > morbid
                      > > intransigence...."
                      > >
                      > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                      > compromise" and
                      > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                      us
                      > to
                      > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                      > what
                      > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                      > she
                      > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                      price.
                      > But
                      > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                      > >
                      > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      re-appearance
                      > of
                      > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                      > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      arguments."
                      > >
                      > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                      > we? Or
                      > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                      > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                      > she has
                      > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                      which
                      > you
                      > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                      > can
                      > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                      > an
                      > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                      > even
                      > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                      > It is
                      > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                      > to pay
                      > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                      > high for
                      > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                      > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                      own
                      > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                      > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                      > lie the
                      > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                      > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                      > >
                      > > Regards,
                      > > Regan
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                      > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                      > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                      the
                      > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                      > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                      > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                      be
                      > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                      team
                      > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                      > this
                      > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                      clock
                      > > 24/7!!
                      > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                      She
                      > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      > consciousness
                      > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                      > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                      rediculed
                      > > and sconld.
                      > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                      > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                      > or
                      > > less!
                      > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                      arguments.
                      > >
                      > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                      > > >
                      > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                      > bitch
                      > > at
                      > > > times.
                      > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                      me.
                      > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                      slightest,
                      > > the
                      > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                      > count.
                      > > And by
                      > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      > > >
                      > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                      > FANNIE
                      > > mae,
                      > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                      > > would
                      > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                      money
                      > > into
                      > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                      > idea,
                      > > and
                      > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                      > > things.
                      > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                      > name
                      > > for
                      > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      > > friends.
                      > > > Good to see you're back.
                      > > > Later...
                      > > > Ted
                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > From: masanga@
                      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > > Hi Ted,
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      > > to get
                      > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      > > eventually
                      > > > > got
                      > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                      me
                      > in
                      > > my
                      > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                      days
                      > > and was
                      > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                      > > forum
                      > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                      election
                      > > of
                      > > > > Barack
                      > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                      > > them. The
                      > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                      of
                      > > joy in
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                      new
                      > > age has
                      > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      > > > > world-historic
                      > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                      > here.
                      > > Why
                      > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      > > election
                      > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      > > politicians
                      > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                      view
                      > > that
                      > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      > > constitutes
                      > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                      > > the
                      > > > > whole
                      > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                      > > > > Lambremont
                      > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                      to
                      > > remove
                      > > > > the
                      > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                      > anything
                      > > > > myself
                      > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                      either.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      > > found no
                      > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                      myself
                      > > from
                      > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      > > whenever I
                      > > > > am
                      > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                      > > that
                      > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                      don't
                      > > want to
                      > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                      spectacle
                      > > may be.
                      > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                      the
                      > > Zeta -
                      > > > > on
                      > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                      those
                      > > among us
                      > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                      it.
                      > > So my
                      > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                      warning
                      > in
                      > > > > fact -
                      > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                      cult-building
                      > > > > activity
                      > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                      > their
                      > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                      to
                      > > do
                      > > > > that
                      > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      > > natural
                      > > > > consequences of doing it.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      > > now
                      > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Warm regards,
                      > > > > Regan
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > From: Ted
                      > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > [11-08-08]
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                      > > > > .
                      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > > From: masanga@
                      > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      > [11-08-08]
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      > > words of
                      > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                      is
                      > > > >> reported
                      > > > >> to have said:
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      > > > >> fantasies
                      > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> Regan
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                      > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> written
                      > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                      > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                      he
                      > > did on
                      > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                      out
                      > > in his
                      > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                      > new
                      > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                      > The
                      > > Zetas
                      > > > >> have
                      > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                      > > would
                      > > > >> like
                      > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                      X,
                      > > and if
                      > > > >> so
                      > > > >> was
                      > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                      > > Friday the
                      > > > >> CNN
                      > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      > > "pause"
                      > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                      > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                      > declined
                      > > to
                      > > > >> comment.
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                      > consensus
                      > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                      his
                      > > heart
                      > > > >> and
                      > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                      > Obama
                      > > looked
                      > > > >> older
                      > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                      the
                      > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                      candidacy.
                      > > Yet the
                      > > > >> race
                      > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                      > causing
                      > > him
                      > > > >> loss
                      > > > >> of
                      > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                      > > already
                      > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                      world
                      > > and
                      > > > >> what
                      > > > >> the
                      > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                      also
                      > > did not
                      > > > >> learn
                      > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                      > > company
                      > > > >> crimes,
                      > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                      > FBI
                      > > and
                      > > > >> the
                      > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      > > planetary
                      > > > >> presence
                      > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                      > had
                      > > heard
                      > > > >> the
                      > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                      > relayed
                      > > to
                      > > > >> him
                      > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      > > confirmation.
                      > > > >> Why would
                      > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                      US
                      > > > >> boundaries
                      > > > >> are
                      > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                      > cover-up,
                      > > and
                      > > > >> how
                      > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                      > been
                      > > > >> decided.
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> Zeta response: This
                      > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                      options
                      > > in the
                      > > > >> future.
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                      beliefs?
                      > He
                      > > is
                      > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                      > > Lincoln
                      > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      > > > >> figuratively?
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      > > recognize
                      > > > >> early
                      > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                      > case,
                      > > he
                      > > > >> was
                      > > > >> a
                      > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                      life
                      > > > >> circumstances
                      > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                      human
                      > > body
                      > > > >> and
                      > > > >> mind
                      > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      > > conclusion
                      > > > >> that
                      > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> The
                      > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> Issue 104,
                      > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> Election
                      > > > >> Results
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> As predicted by
                      > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                      > > state by
                      > > > >> state,
                      > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                      > > ended up
                      > > > >> in
                      > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                      to
                      > > the
                      > > > >> actual
                      > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      > > > >>
                      > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                      is
                      > > Not
                      > > > >> MOCKED!
                      > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ------------------------------------
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                        You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                        head
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: <masanga@...>
                        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                        > Nathaniel,
                        >
                        > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                        >
                        > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                        > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                        > of
                        > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                        > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                        > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                        > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                        > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                        >
                        > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                        > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                        > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                        > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                        > he
                        > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                        >
                        > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                        > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                        > date
                        > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                        > to
                        > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                        > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                        > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                        >
                        > Regan (masanga)
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > masanga,
                        > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                        > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                        > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                        > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                        > At any rate, I wish you well.
                        >
                        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                        >>
                        >> Nathaniel,
                        >>
                        >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                        > that my
                        >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                        > great
                        >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                        >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                        > knowledge,
                        >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                        > desires,
                        >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                        > as
                        >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                        >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                        > said
                        >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                        > And
                        >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                        > children to
                        >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                        > for
                        >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                        > long
                        >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                        >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                        > encouragement
                        >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                        > mental age
                        >> down to absolute zero in time.
                        >>
                        >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                        > break
                        >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                        > don't
                        >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                        > in the
                        >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                        > suggest
                        >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                        >>
                        >> Sincerely,
                        >> Regan (masanga)
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> ----- Original Message -----
                        >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                        >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> Dear masanga,
                        >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                        >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                        >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                        >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                        > would
                        >> your answer be?
                        >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                        >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                        > Can
                        >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                        > a
                        >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                        >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                        > Obama,
                        >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                        > earth
                        >> would qualify.
                        >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                        >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                        >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                        >>
                        >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                        >> >
                        >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                        >> >
                        >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        >> certain
                        >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                        >> > wicked...."
                        >> >
                        >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                        >> of our
                        >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                        > anyone
                        >> else
                        >> > in this respect.
                        >> >
                        >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                        > would
                        >> win
                        >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                        >> >
                        >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                        >> needing any
                        >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                        >> "seemingly
                        >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                        >> seemed to
                        >> > have a clear run to me.
                        >> >
                        >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                        >> >
                        >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                        >> about
                        >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                        >> >
                        >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                        >> praises
                        >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                        >> asssisted
                        >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                        >> protected
                        >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                        >> >
                        >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                        >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                        >> in
                        >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                        >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                        > up
                        >> to
                        >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                        > is
                        >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                        >> system
                        >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                        > where
                        >> the
                        >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                        >> the
                        >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                        > "Emperor").
                        >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                        >> office
                        >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                        >> for
                        >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                        >> >
                        >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        >> She is
                        >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                        >> for the
                        >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                        >> >
                        >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                        >> I see
                        >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                        >> as you
                        >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                        >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                        >> think she
                        >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                        >> independent
                        >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                        >> the
                        >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                        >> anonymous
                        >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                        >> sheer
                        >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                        >> the
                        >> > terms.
                        >> >
                        >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                        >> and
                        >> > sconld...."
                        >> >
                        >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                        >> scold
                        >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                        >> and
                        >> > objectively.
                        >> >
                        >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        >> morbid
                        >> > intransigence...."
                        >> >
                        >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                        >> compromise" and
                        >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                        > us
                        >> to
                        >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                        >> what
                        >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                        >> she
                        >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                        > price.
                        >> But
                        >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                        >> >
                        >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        > re-appearance
                        >> of
                        >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                        >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        > arguments."
                        >> >
                        >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                        >> we? Or
                        >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                        >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                        >> she has
                        >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                        > which
                        >> you
                        >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                        >> can
                        >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                        >> an
                        >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                        >> even
                        >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                        >> It is
                        >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                        >> to pay
                        >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                        >> high for
                        >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                        >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                        > own
                        >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                        >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                        >> lie the
                        >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                        >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                        >> >
                        >> > Regards,
                        >> > Regan
                        >> >
                        >> >
                        >> > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                        >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                        >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >> >
                        >> >
                        >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                        >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                        > the
                        >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                        >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                        >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                        > be
                        >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                        > team
                        >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                        >> this
                        >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                        > clock
                        >> > 24/7!!
                        >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        > She
                        >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        >> consciousness
                        >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                        > rediculed
                        >> > and sconld.
                        >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                        >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                        >> or
                        >> > less!
                        >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        > arguments.
                        >> >
                        >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                        >> > >
                        >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                        >> bitch
                        >> > at
                        >> > > times.
                        >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                        > me.
                        >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                        > slightest,
                        >> > the
                        >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                        >> count.
                        >> > And by
                        >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        >> > >
                        >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                        >> FANNIE
                        >> > mae,
                        >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                        >> > would
                        >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                        > money
                        >> > into
                        >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                        >> idea,
                        >> > and
                        >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                        >> > things.
                        >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                        >> name
                        >> > for
                        >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        >> > friends.
                        >> > > Good to see you're back.
                        >> > > Later...
                        >> > > Ted
                        >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > > From: masanga@
                        >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > [11-08-08]
                        >> > >
                        >> > >
                        >> > > > Hi Ted,
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        >> > to get
                        >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        >> > eventually
                        >> > > > got
                        >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                        > me
                        >> in
                        >> > my
                        >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                        > days
                        >> > and was
                        >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                        >> > forum
                        >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                        > election
                        >> > of
                        >> > > > Barack
                        >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                        >> > them. The
                        >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                        > of
                        >> > joy in
                        >> > > > the
                        >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                        > new
                        >> > age has
                        >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        >> > > > world-historic
                        >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                        >> here.
                        >> > Why
                        >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        >> > election
                        >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        >> > politicians
                        >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                        > view
                        >> > that
                        >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        >> > constitutes
                        >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                        >> > the
                        >> > > > whole
                        >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                        >> > > > Lambremont
                        >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                        > to
                        >> > remove
                        >> > > > the
                        >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                        >> anything
                        >> > > > myself
                        >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                        > either.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        >> > found no
                        >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                        > myself
                        >> > from
                        >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        >> > whenever I
                        >> > > > am
                        >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                        >> > that
                        >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                        > don't
                        >> > want to
                        >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                        > spectacle
                        >> > may be.
                        >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                        > the
                        >> > Zeta -
                        >> > > > on
                        >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                        > those
                        >> > among us
                        >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                        > it.
                        >> > So my
                        >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                        > warning
                        >> in
                        >> > > > fact -
                        >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                        > cult-building
                        >> > > > activity
                        >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                        >> their
                        >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                        > to
                        >> > do
                        >> > > > that
                        >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        >> > natural
                        >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        >> > now
                        >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > Warm regards,
                        >> > > > Regan
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > > > From: Ted
                        >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        >> [11-08-08]
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                        >> > > > .
                        >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > > > From: masanga@
                        >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        >> [11-08-08]
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        >> > words of
                        >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                        > is
                        >> > > >> reported
                        >> > > >> to have said:
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        >> > > >> fantasies
                        >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Regan
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                        >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> written
                        >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                        >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                        > he
                        >> > did on
                        >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                        > out
                        >> > in his
                        >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                        >> new
                        >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                        >> The
                        >> > Zetas
                        >> > > >> have
                        >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                        >> > would
                        >> > > >> like
                        >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                        > X,
                        >> > and if
                        >> > > >> so
                        >> > > >> was
                        >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                        >> > Friday the
                        >> > > >> CNN
                        >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        >> > "pause"
                        >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                        >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                        >> declined
                        >> > to
                        >> > > >> comment.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                        >> consensus
                        >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                        > his
                        >> > heart
                        >> > > >> and
                        >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                        >> Obama
                        >> > looked
                        >> > > >> older
                        >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                        > the
                        >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                        > candidacy.
                        >> > Yet the
                        >> > > >> race
                        >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                        >> causing
                        >> > him
                        >> > > >> loss
                        >> > > >> of
                        >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                        >> > already
                        >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                        > world
                        >> > and
                        >> > > >> what
                        >> > > >> the
                        >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                        > also
                        >> > did not
                        >> > > >> learn
                        >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                        >> > company
                        >> > > >> crimes,
                        >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                        >> FBI
                        >> > and
                        >> > > >> the
                        >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        >> > planetary
                        >> > > >> presence
                        >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                        >> had
                        >> > heard
                        >> > > >> the
                        >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                        >> relayed
                        >> > to
                        >> > > >> him
                        >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        >> > confirmation.
                        >> > > >> Why would
                        >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                        > US
                        >> > > >> boundaries
                        >> > > >> are
                        >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                        >> cover-up,
                        >> > and
                        >> > > >> how
                        >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                        >> been
                        >> > > >> decided.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                        >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                        > options
                        >> > in the
                        >> > > >> future.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                        > beliefs?
                        >> He
                        >> > is
                        >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                        >> > Lincoln
                        >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                        >> > > >> figuratively?
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                        >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        >> > recognize
                        >> > > >> early
                        >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                        >> case,
                        >> > he
                        >> > > >> was
                        >> > > >> a
                        >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                        > life
                        >> > > >> circumstances
                        >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                        > human
                        >> > body
                        >> > > >> and
                        >> > > >> mind
                        >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        >> > conclusion
                        >> > > >> that
                        >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> The
                        >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Issue 104,
                        >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> Election
                        >> > > >> Results
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> As predicted by
                        >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                        >> > state by
                        >> > > >> state,
                        >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                        >> > ended up
                        >> > > >> in
                        >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                        > to
                        >> > the
                        >> > > >> actual
                        >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        >> > > >>
                        >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                        > is
                        >> > Not
                        >> > > >> MOCKED!
                        >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > >
                        >> > > > ------------------------------------
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                      • masanga@talktalk.net
                        I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
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                          I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                          But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                          understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                          clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                          appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                          concerned.

                          However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                          obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                          should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Ted
                          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                          You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                          head
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: <masanga@...>
                          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                          > Nathaniel,
                          >
                          > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                          >
                          > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                          > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                          > of
                          > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                          > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                          > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                          > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                          > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                          >
                          > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                          > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                          > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                          > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                          > he
                          > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                          >
                          > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                          > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                          > date
                          > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                          > to
                          > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                          > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                          > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                          >
                          > Regan (masanga)
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > masanga,
                          > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                          > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                          > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                          > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                          > At any rate, I wish you well.
                          >
                          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                          >>
                          >> Nathaniel,
                          >>
                          >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                          > that my
                          >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                          > great
                          >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                          >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                          > knowledge,
                          >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                          > desires,
                          >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                          > as
                          >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                          >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                          > said
                          >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                          > And
                          >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                          > children to
                          >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                          > for
                          >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                          > long
                          >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                          >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                          > encouragement
                          >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                          > mental age
                          >> down to absolute zero in time.
                          >>
                          >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                          > break
                          >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                          > don't
                          >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                          > in the
                          >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                          > suggest
                          >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                          >>
                          >> Sincerely,
                          >> Regan (masanga)
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                          >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Dear masanga,
                          >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                          >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                          >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                          >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                          > would
                          >> your answer be?
                          >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                          >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                          > Can
                          >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                          > a
                          >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                          >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                          > Obama,
                          >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                          > earth
                          >> would qualify.
                          >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                          >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                          >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                          >>
                          >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                          >> >
                          >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                          >> >
                          >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          >> certain
                          >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                          >> > wicked...."
                          >> >
                          >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                          >> of our
                          >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                          > anyone
                          >> else
                          >> > in this respect.
                          >> >
                          >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                          > would
                          >> win
                          >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                          >> >
                          >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                          >> needing any
                          >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                          >> "seemingly
                          >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                          >> seemed to
                          >> > have a clear run to me.
                          >> >
                          >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                          >> >
                          >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                          >> about
                          >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                          >> >
                          >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                          >> praises
                          >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                          >> asssisted
                          >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                          >> protected
                          >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                          >> >
                          >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                          >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                          >> in
                          >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                          >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                          > up
                          >> to
                          >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                          > is
                          >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                          >> system
                          >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                          > where
                          >> the
                          >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                          >> the
                          >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                          > "Emperor").
                          >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                          >> office
                          >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                          >> for
                          >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                          >> >
                          >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          >> She is
                          >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                          >> for the
                          >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                          >> >
                          >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                          >> I see
                          >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                          >> as you
                          >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                          >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                          >> think she
                          >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                          >> independent
                          >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                          >> the
                          >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                          >> anonymous
                          >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                          >> sheer
                          >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                          >> the
                          >> > terms.
                          >> >
                          >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                          >> and
                          >> > sconld...."
                          >> >
                          >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                          >> scold
                          >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                          >> and
                          >> > objectively.
                          >> >
                          >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                          >> morbid
                          >> > intransigence...."
                          >> >
                          >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                          >> compromise" and
                          >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                          > us
                          >> to
                          >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                          >> what
                          >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                          >> she
                          >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                          > price.
                          >> But
                          >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                          >> >
                          >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          > re-appearance
                          >> of
                          >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                          >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          > arguments."
                          >> >
                          >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                          >> we? Or
                          >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                          >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                          >> she has
                          >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                          > which
                          >> you
                          >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                          >> can
                          >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                          >> an
                          >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                          >> even
                          >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                          >> It is
                          >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                          >> to pay
                          >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                          >> high for
                          >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                          >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                          > own
                          >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                          >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                          >> lie the
                          >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                          >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                          >> >
                          >> > Regards,
                          >> > Regan
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > ----- Original Message -----
                          >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                          >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                          >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >> >
                          >> >
                          >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                          >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                          > the
                          >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                          >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                          >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                          > be
                          >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                          > team
                          >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                          >> this
                          >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                          > clock
                          >> > 24/7!!
                          >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          > She
                          >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                          >> consciousness
                          >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                          >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                          > rediculed
                          >> > and sconld.
                          >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                          >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                          >> or
                          >> > less!
                          >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          > arguments.
                          >> >
                          >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                          >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                          >> bitch
                          >> > at
                          >> > > times.
                          >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                          > me.
                          >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                          > slightest,
                          >> > the
                          >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                          >> count.
                          >> > And by
                          >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                          >> > >
                          >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                          >> FANNIE
                          >> > mae,
                          >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                          >> > would
                          >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                          > money
                          >> > into
                          >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                          >> idea,
                          >> > and
                          >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                          >> > things.
                          >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                          >> name
                          >> > for
                          >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                          >> > friends.
                          >> > > Good to see you're back.
                          >> > > Later...
                          >> > > Ted
                          >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                          >> > > From: masanga@
                          >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                          >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > [11-08-08]
                          >> > >
                          >> > >
                          >> > > > Hi Ted,
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                          >> > to get
                          >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                          >> > eventually
                          >> > > > got
                          >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                          > me
                          >> in
                          >> > my
                          >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                          > days
                          >> > and was
                          >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                          >> > forum
                          >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                          > election
                          >> > of
                          >> > > > Barack
                          >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                          >> > them. The
                          >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                          > of
                          >> > joy in
                          >> > > > the
                          >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                          > new
                          >> > age has
                          >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                          >> > > > world-historic
                          >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                          >> here.
                          >> > Why
                          >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                          >> > election
                          >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                          >> > politicians
                          >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                          > view
                          >> > that
                          >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                          >> > constitutes
                          >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                          >> > the
                          >> > > > whole
                          >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                          >> > > > Lambremont
                          >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                          > to
                          >> > remove
                          >> > > > the
                          >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                          >> anything
                          >> > > > myself
                          >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                          > either.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                          >> > found no
                          >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                          > myself
                          >> > from
                          >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                          >> > whenever I
                          >> > > > am
                          >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                          >> > that
                          >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                          > don't
                          >> > want to
                          >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                          > spectacle
                          >> > may be.
                          >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                          > the
                          >> > Zeta -
                          >> > > > on
                          >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                          > those
                          >> > among us
                          >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                          > it.
                          >> > So my
                          >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                          > warning
                          >> in
                          >> > > > fact -
                          >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                          > cult-building
                          >> > > > activity
                          >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                          >> their
                          >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                          > to
                          >> > do
                          >> > > > that
                          >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                          >> > natural
                          >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                          >> > now
                          >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > Warm regards,
                          >> > > > Regan
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          >> > > > From: Ted
                          >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                          >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          >> [11-08-08]
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                          >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                          >> > > > .
                          >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          >> > > > From: masanga@
                          >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                          >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          >> [11-08-08]
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                          >> > words of
                          >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                          > is
                          >> > > >> reported
                          >> > > >> to have said:
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                          >> > > >> fantasies
                          >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> Regan
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                          >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                          >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                          >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                          >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> written
                          >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                          >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                          > he
                          >> > did on
                          >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                          > out
                          >> > in his
                          >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                          >> new
                          >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                          >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                          >> The
                          >> > Zetas
                          >> > > >> have
                          >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                          >> > would
                          >> > > >> like
                          >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                          >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                          > X,
                          >> > and if
                          >> > > >> so
                          >> > > >> was
                          >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                          >> > Friday the
                          >> > > >> CNN
                          >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                          >> > "pause"
                          >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                          >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                          >> declined
                          >> > to
                          >> > > >> comment.
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                          >> consensus
                          >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                          > his
                          >> > heart
                          >> > > >> and
                          >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                          >> Obama
                          >> > looked
                          >> > > >> older
                          >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                          > the
                          >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                          > candidacy.
                          >> > Yet the
                          >> > > >> race
                          >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                          >> causing
                          >> > him
                          >> > > >> loss
                          >> > > >> of
                          >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                          >> > already
                          >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                          > world
                          >> > and
                          >> > > >> what
                          >> > > >> the
                          >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                          > also
                          >> > did not
                          >> > > >> learn
                          >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                          >> > company
                          >> > > >> crimes,
                          >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                          >> FBI
                          >> > and
                          >> > > >> the
                          >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                          >> > planetary
                          >> > > >> presence
                          >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                          >> had
                          >> > heard
                          >> > > >> the
                          >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                          >> relayed
                          >> > to
                          >> > > >> him
                          >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                          >> > confirmation.
                          >> > > >> Why would
                          >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                          > US
                          >> > > >> boundaries
                          >> > > >> are
                          >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                          >> cover-up,
                          >> > and
                          >> > > >> how
                          >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                          >> been
                          >> > > >> decided.
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                          >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                          >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                          > options
                          >> > in the
                          >> > > >> future.
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                          >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                          > beliefs?
                          >> He
                          >> > is
                          >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                          >> > Lincoln
                          >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                          >> > > >> figuratively?
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                          >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                          >> > recognize
                          >> > > >> early
                          >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                          >> case,
                          >> > he
                          >> > > >> was
                          >> > > >> a
                          >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                          > life
                          >> > > >> circumstances
                          >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                          > human
                          >> > body
                          >> > > >> and
                          >> > > >> mind
                          >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                          >> > conclusion
                          >> > > >> that
                          >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> The
                          >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> Issue 104,
                          >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> Election
                          >> > > >> Results
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> As predicted by
                          >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                          >> > state by
                          >> > > >> state,
                          >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                          >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                          >> > ended up
                          >> > > >> in
                          >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                          > to
                          >> > the
                          >> > > >> actual
                          >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                          >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                          >> > > >>
                          >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                          > is
                          >> > Not
                          >> > > >> MOCKED!
                          >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                          >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > >
                          >> > > > ------------------------------------
                        • Ted
                          Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
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                            Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                            Nancy's groupies.
                            He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                            Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                            wearing no close
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: <masanga@...>
                            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                            > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                            >
                            > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                            > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                            > be
                            > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                            > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                            > concerned.
                            >
                            > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                            > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                            > he
                            > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Ted
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                            > his
                            > head
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: <masanga@...>
                            > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            >> Nathaniel,
                            >>
                            >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                            >>
                            >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                            >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                            >> of
                            >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                            >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                            >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                            >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                            >> have
                            >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                            >>
                            >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                            >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                            >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                            >> my
                            >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                            >> he
                            >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                            >>
                            >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                            >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                            >> date
                            >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                            >> to
                            >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                            >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                            >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                            >>
                            >> Regan (masanga)
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> ----- Original Message -----
                            >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                            >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> masanga,
                            >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                            >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                            >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                            >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                            >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                            >>
                            >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                            >>>
                            >>> Nathaniel,
                            >>>
                            >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                            >> that my
                            >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                            >> great
                            >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                            >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                            >> knowledge,
                            >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                            >> desires,
                            >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                            >> as
                            >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                            >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                            >> said
                            >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                            >> And
                            >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                            >> children to
                            >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                            >> for
                            >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                            >> long
                            >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                            >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                            >> encouragement
                            >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                            >> mental age
                            >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                            >>>
                            >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                            >> break
                            >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                            >> don't
                            >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                            >> in the
                            >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                            >> suggest
                            >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                            >>>
                            >>> Sincerely,
                            >>> Regan (masanga)
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> ----- Original Message -----
                            >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                            >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                            >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> Dear masanga,
                            >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                            >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                            >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                            >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                            >> would
                            >>> your answer be?
                            >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                            >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                            >> Can
                            >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                            >> a
                            >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                            >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                            >> Obama,
                            >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                            >> earth
                            >>> would qualify.
                            >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                            >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                            >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                            >>>
                            >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                            >>> >
                            >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                            >>> >
                            >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            >>> certain
                            >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                            >>> > wicked...."
                            >>> >
                            >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                            >>> of our
                            >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                            >> anyone
                            >>> else
                            >>> > in this respect.
                            >>> >
                            >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                            >> would
                            >>> win
                            >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                            >>> >
                            >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                            >>> needing any
                            >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                            >>> "seemingly
                            >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                            >>> seemed to
                            >>> > have a clear run to me.
                            >>> >
                            >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                            >>> >
                            >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                            >>> about
                            >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                            >>> >
                            >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                            >>> praises
                            >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                            >>> asssisted
                            >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                            >>> protected
                            >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                            >>> >
                            >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                            >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                            >>> in
                            >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                            >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                            >> up
                            >>> to
                            >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                            >> is
                            >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                            >>> system
                            >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                            >> where
                            >>> the
                            >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                            >>> the
                            >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                            >> "Emperor").
                            >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                            >>> office
                            >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                            >>> for
                            >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                            >>> >
                            >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                            >>> She is
                            >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                            >>> for the
                            >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                            >>> >
                            >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                            >>> I see
                            >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                            >>> as you
                            >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                            >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                            >>> think she
                            >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                            >>> independent
                            >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                            >>> the
                            >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                            >>> anonymous
                            >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                            >>> sheer
                            >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                            >>> the
                            >>> > terms.
                            >>> >
                            >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                            >>> and
                            >>> > sconld...."
                            >>> >
                            >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                            >>> scold
                            >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                            >>> and
                            >>> > objectively.
                            >>> >
                            >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                            >>> morbid
                            >>> > intransigence...."
                            >>> >
                            >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                            >>> compromise" and
                            >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                            >> us
                            >>> to
                            >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                            >>> what
                            >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                            >>> she
                            >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                            >> price.
                            >>> But
                            >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                            >>> >
                            >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            >> re-appearance
                            >>> of
                            >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                            >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            >> arguments."
                            >>> >
                            >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                            >>> we? Or
                            >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                            >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                            >>> she has
                            >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                            >> which
                            >>> you
                            >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                            >>> can
                            >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                            >>> an
                            >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                            >>> even
                            >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                            >>> It is
                            >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                            >>> to pay
                            >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                            >>> high for
                            >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                            >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                            >> own
                            >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                            >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                            >>> lie the
                            >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                            >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                            >>> >
                            >>> > Regards,
                            >>> > Regan
                            >>> >
                            >>> >
                            >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                            >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                            >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                            >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >>> >
                            >>> >
                            >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                            >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                            >> the
                            >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                            >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                            >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                            >> be
                            >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                            >> team
                            >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                            >>> this
                            >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                            >> clock
                            >>> > 24/7!!
                            >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                            >> She
                            >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                            >>> consciousness
                            >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                            >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                            >> rediculed
                            >>> > and sconld.
                            >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                            >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                            >>> or
                            >>> > less!
                            >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            >> arguments.
                            >>> >
                            >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                            >>> > >
                            >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                            >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                            >>> bitch
                            >>> > at
                            >>> > > times.
                            >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                            >> me.
                            >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                            >> slightest,
                            >>> > the
                            >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                            >>> count.
                            >>> > And by
                            >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                            >>> > >
                            >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                            >>> FANNIE
                            >>> > mae,
                            >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                            >>> > would
                            >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                            >> money
                            >>> > into
                            >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                            >>> idea,
                            >>> > and
                            >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                            >>> > things.
                            >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                            >>> name
                            >>> > for
                            >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                            >>> > friends.
                            >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                            >>> > > Later...
                            >>> > > Ted
                            >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                            >>> > > From: masanga@
                            >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                            >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            >> [11-08-08]
                            >>> > >
                            >>> > >
                            >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                            >>> > to get
                            >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                            >>> > eventually
                            >>> > > > got
                            >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                            >> me
                            >>> in
                            >>> > my
                            >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                            >> days
                            >>> > and was
                            >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                            >>> > forum
                            >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                            >> election
                            >>> > of
                            >>> > > > Barack
                            >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                            >>> > them. The
                            >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                            >> of
                            >>> > joy in
                            >>> > > > the
                            >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                            >> new
                            >>> > age has
                            >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                            >>> > > > world-historic
                            >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                            >>> here.
                            >>> > Why
                            >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                            >>> > election
                            >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                            >>> > politicians
                            >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                            >> view
                            >>> > that
                            >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                            >>> > constitutes
                            >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                            >>> > the
                            >>> > > > whole
                            >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                            >>> > > > Lambremont
                            >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                            >> to
                            >>> > remove
                            >>> > > > the
                            >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                            >>> anything
                            >>> > > > myself
                            >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                            >> either.
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                            >>> > found no
                            >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                            >> myself
                            >>> > from
                            >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                            >>> > whenever I
                            >>> > > > am
                            >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                            >>> > that
                            >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                            >> don't
                            >>> > want to
                            >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                            >> spectacle
                            >>> > may be.
                            >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                            >> the
                            >>> > Zeta -
                            >>> > > > on
                            >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                            >> those
                            >>> > among us
                            >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                            >> it.
                            >>> > So my
                            >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                            >> warning
                            >>> in
                            >>> > > > fact -
                            >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                            >> cult-building
                            >>> > > > activity
                            >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                            >>> their
                            >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                            >> to
                            >>> > do
                            >>> > > > that
                            >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                            >>> > natural
                            >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                            >>> > now
                            >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > > Warm regards,
                            >>> > > > Regan
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            >>> > > > From: Ted
                            >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                            >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            >>> [11-08-08]
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                            >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                            >>> > > > .
                            >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            >>> > > > From: masanga@
                            >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                            >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            >>> [11-08-08]
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                            >>> > words of
                            >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                            >> is
                            >>> > > >> reported
                            >>> > > >> to have said:
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                            >>> > > >> fantasies
                            >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> Regan
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                            >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                            >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                            >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> written
                            >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                            >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                            >> he
                            >>> > did on
                            >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                            >> out
                            >>> > in his
                            >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                            >>> new
                            >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                            >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                            >>> The
                            >>> > Zetas
                            >>> > > >> have
                            >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                            >>> > would
                            >>> > > >> like
                            >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                            >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                            >> X,
                            >>> > and if
                            >>> > > >> so
                            >>> > > >> was
                            >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                            >>> > Friday the
                            >>> > > >> CNN
                            >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                            >>> > "pause"
                            >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                            >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                            >>> declined
                            >>> > to
                            >>> > > >> comment.
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                            >>> consensus
                            >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                            >> his
                            >>> > heart
                            >>> > > >> and
                            >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                            >>> Obama
                            >>> > looked
                            >>> > > >> older
                            >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                            >> the
                            >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                            >> candidacy.
                            >>> > Yet the
                            >>> > > >> race
                            >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                            >>> causing
                            >>> > him
                            >>> > > >> loss
                            >>> > > >> of
                            >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                            >>> > already
                            >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                            >> world
                            >>> > and
                            >>> > > >> what
                            >>> > > >> the
                            >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                            >> also
                            >>> > did not
                            >>> > > >> learn
                            >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                            >>> > company
                            >>> > > >> crimes,
                            >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                            >>> FBI
                            >>> > and
                            >>> > > >> the
                            >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                            >>> > planetary
                            >>> > > >> presence
                            >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                            >>> had
                            >>> > heard
                            >>> > > >> the
                            >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                            >>> relayed
                            >>> > to
                            >>> > > >> him
                            >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                            >>> > confirmation.
                            >>> > > >> Why would
                            >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                            >> US
                            >>> > > >> boundaries
                            >>> > > >> are
                            >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                            >>> cover-up,
                            >>> > and
                            >>> > > >> how
                            >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                            >>> been
                            >>> > > >> decided.
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                            >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                            >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                            >> options
                            >>> > in the
                            >>> > > >> future.
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                            >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                            >> beliefs?
                            >>> He
                            >>> > is
                            >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                            >>> > Lincoln
                            >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                            >>> > > >> figuratively?
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                            >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                            >>> > recognize
                            >>> > > >> early
                            >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                            >>> case,
                            >>> > he
                            >>> > > >> was
                            >>> > > >> a
                            >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                            >> life
                            >>> > > >> circumstances
                            >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                            >> human
                            >>> > body
                            >>> > > >> and
                            >>> > > >> mind
                            >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                            >>> > conclusion
                            >>> > > >> that
                            >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> The
                            >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                            >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> Election
                            >>> > > >> Results
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> As predicted by
                            >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                            >>> > state by
                            >>> > > >> state,
                            >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                            >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                            >>> > ended up
                            >>> > > >> in
                            >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                            >> to
                            >>> > the
                            >>> > > >> actual
                            >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                            >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                            >>> > > >>
                            >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                            >> is
                            >>> > Not
                            >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                            >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                            >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > >
                            >>> > > > ------------------------------------
                            >
                            >
                            > ------------------------------------
                            >
                            > Yahoo! Groups Links
                            >
                            >
                            >
                          • nathaniel x vance
                            Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
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                              Dear Brother masanga,
                              Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                              and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                              you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                              rebellion out in me.
                              Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                              COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                              like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                              higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                              help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                              renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                              higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                              co-existence will be the order of the future!
                              Please pardon me.

                              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Nathaniel,
                              >
                              > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                              >
                              > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                              about
                              > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                              know of
                              > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                              > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                              > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                              universe, I
                              > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                              have
                              > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                              >
                              > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                              divine
                              > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                              > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                              in my
                              > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                              that he
                              > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                              >
                              > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                              presume to
                              > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                              date
                              > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                              mystery to
                              > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                              > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                              divine
                              > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                              >
                              > Regan (masanga)
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >
                              >
                              > masanga,
                              > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                              > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                              > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                              > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                              > At any rate, I wish you well.
                              >
                              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Nathaniel,
                              > >
                              > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                              > that my
                              > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                              > great
                              > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                              > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                              > knowledge,
                              > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                              > desires,
                              > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                              things
                              > as
                              > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                              will
                              > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                              > said
                              > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                              > And
                              > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                              > children to
                              > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                              you
                              > for
                              > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                              worked
                              > long
                              > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                              both
                              > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                              > encouragement
                              > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                              > mental age
                              > > down to absolute zero in time.
                              > >
                              > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                              > break
                              > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                              > don't
                              > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                              me
                              > in the
                              > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                              > suggest
                              > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                              up.
                              > >
                              > > Sincerely,
                              > > Regan (masanga)
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                              > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Dear masanga,
                              > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                              answer
                              > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                              > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                              our
                              > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                              > would
                              > > your answer be?
                              > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                              before
                              > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                              > Can
                              > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                              see
                              > a
                              > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                              details
                              > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                              > Obama,
                              > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                              > earth
                              > > would qualify.
                              > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                              > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                              > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                              > >
                              > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                              > > >
                              > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                              a
                              > > certain
                              > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                              greedy
                              > > > wicked...."
                              > > >
                              > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                              > > of our
                              > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                              > anyone
                              > > else
                              > > > in this respect.
                              > > >
                              > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                              > would
                              > > win
                              > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                              > > >
                              > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                              > > needing any
                              > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                              > > "seemingly
                              > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                              > > seemed to
                              > > > have a clear run to me.
                              > > >
                              > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                              > > >
                              > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                              > > about
                              > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                              > > >
                              > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                              > > praises
                              > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                              > > asssisted
                              > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                              > > protected
                              > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                              > > >
                              > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                              > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                              really
                              > > in
                              > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                              dominance?
                              > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                              > up
                              > > to
                              > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                              > is
                              > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                              a
                              > > system
                              > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                              > where
                              > > the
                              > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                              become
                              > > the
                              > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                              > "Emperor").
                              > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                              > > office
                              > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                              credit
                              > > for
                              > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                              me.
                              > > >
                              > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                              cult!
                              > > She is
                              > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              consciousness
                              > > for the
                              > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                              > > >
                              > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                              > > I see
                              > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                              be
                              > > as you
                              > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                              for
                              > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                              > > think she
                              > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                              > > independent
                              > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                              asserting
                              > > the
                              > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                              > > anonymous
                              > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                              on
                              > > sheer
                              > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                              of
                              > > the
                              > > > terms.
                              > > >
                              > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                              rediculed
                              > > and
                              > > > sconld...."
                              > > >
                              > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                              > > scold
                              > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                              impartially
                              > > and
                              > > > objectively.
                              > > >
                              > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              > > morbid
                              > > > intransigence...."
                              > > >
                              > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                              > > compromise" and
                              > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                              > us
                              > > to
                              > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                              wonder
                              > > what
                              > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                              > > she
                              > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                              > price.
                              > > But
                              > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                              ours.
                              > > >
                              > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > re-appearance
                              > > of
                              > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                              > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > arguments."
                              > > >
                              > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                              > > we? Or
                              > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                              absurd
                              > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                              which
                              > > she has
                              > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                              > which
                              > > you
                              > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                              she
                              > > can
                              > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                              into
                              > > an
                              > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                              > > even
                              > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                              intelligence?
                              > > It is
                              > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                              willing
                              > > to pay
                              > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                              > > high for
                              > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                              "full
                              > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                              > own
                              > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                              > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                              a
                              > > lie the
                              > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                              > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                              > > >
                              > > > Regards,
                              > > > Regan
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                              > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                              > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                              > the
                              > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                              that
                              > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                              against
                              > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                              should
                              > be
                              > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                              > team
                              > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                              > > this
                              > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                              > clock
                              > > > 24/7!!
                              > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                              > She
                              > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              > > consciousness
                              > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                              > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                              > rediculed
                              > > > and sconld.
                              > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              morbid
                              > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                              years
                              > > or
                              > > > less!
                              > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > arguments.
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                              > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                              > > bitch
                              > > > at
                              > > > > times.
                              > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                              > me.
                              > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                              > slightest,
                              > > > the
                              > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                              > > count.
                              > > > And by
                              > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                              > > FANNIE
                              > > > mae,
                              > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                              One
                              > > > would
                              > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                              > money
                              > > > into
                              > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                              > > idea,
                              > > > and
                              > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                              damn
                              > > > things.
                              > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                              > > name
                              > > > for
                              > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                              > > > friends.
                              > > > > Good to see you're back.
                              > > > > Later...
                              > > > > Ted
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: masanga@
                              > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > [11-08-08]
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > > Hi Ted,
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                              > > > to get
                              > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                              > > > eventually
                              > > > > > got
                              > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                              > me
                              > > in
                              > > > my
                              > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                              > days
                              > > > and was
                              > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                              this
                              > > > forum
                              > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                              > election
                              > > > of
                              > > > > > Barack
                              > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                              of
                              > > > them. The
                              > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                              > of
                              > > > joy in
                              > > > > > the
                              > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                              > new
                              > > > age has
                              > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                              > > > > > world-historic
                              > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                              > > here.
                              > > > Why
                              > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                              > > > election
                              > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                              > > > politicians
                              > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                              > view
                              > > > that
                              > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                              > > > constitutes
                              > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                              in
                              > > > the
                              > > > > > whole
                              > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                              Alfred
                              > > > > > Lambremont
                              > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                              > to
                              > > > remove
                              > > > > > the
                              > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                              > > anything
                              > > > > > myself
                              > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                              > either.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                              > > > found no
                              > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                              > myself
                              > > > from
                              > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                              > > > whenever I
                              > > > > > am
                              > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                              performed
                              > > > that
                              > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                              > don't
                              > > > want to
                              > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                              > spectacle
                              > > > may be.
                              > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                              > the
                              > > > Zeta -
                              > > > > > on
                              > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                              > those
                              > > > among us
                              > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                              > it.
                              > > > So my
                              > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                              > warning
                              > > in
                              > > > > > fact -
                              > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                              > cult-building
                              > > > > > activity
                              > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                              > > their
                              > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                              freedom
                              > to
                              > > > do
                              > > > > > that
                              > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                              > > > natural
                              > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                              > > > now
                              > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > Warm regards,
                              > > > > > Regan
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > From: Ted
                              > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > > [11-08-08]
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                              > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                              > > > > > .
                              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > > From: masanga@
                              > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > > [11-08-08]
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                              > > > words of
                              > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                              who
                              > is
                              > > > > >> reported
                              > > > > >> to have said:
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                              > > > > >> fantasies
                              > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Regan
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                              ;
                              > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                              > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                              > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> written
                              > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                              > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                              > he
                              > > > did on
                              > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                              > out
                              > > > in his
                              > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                              the
                              > > new
                              > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                              > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                              shift?
                              > > The
                              > > > Zetas
                              > > > > >> have
                              > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                              I
                              > > > would
                              > > > > >> like
                              > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                              > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                              > X,
                              > > > and if
                              > > > > >> so
                              > > > > >> was
                              > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                              > > > Friday the
                              > > > > >> CNN
                              > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                              > > > "pause"
                              > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                              4th
                              > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                              > > declined
                              > > > to
                              > > > > >> comment.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                              > > consensus
                              > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                              > his
                              > > > heart
                              > > > > >> and
                              > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                              > > Obama
                              > > > looked
                              > > > > >> older
                              > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                              > the
                              > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                              > candidacy.
                              > > > Yet the
                              > > > > >> race
                              > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                              > > causing
                              > > > him
                              > > > > >> loss
                              > > > > >> of
                              > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                              not
                              > > > already
                              > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                              > world
                              > > > and
                              > > > > >> what
                              > > > > >> the
                              > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                              > also
                              > > > did not
                              > > > > >> learn
                              > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                              > > > company
                              > > > > >> crimes,
                              > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                              the
                              > > FBI
                              > > > and
                              > > > > >> the
                              > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                              > > > planetary
                              > > > > >> presence
                              > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                              He
                              > > had
                              > > > heard
                              > > > > >> the
                              > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                              > > relayed
                              > > > to
                              > > > > >> him
                              > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                              > > > confirmation.
                              > > > > >> Why would
                              > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                              > US
                              > > > > >> boundaries
                              > > > > >> are
                              > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                              > > cover-up,
                              > > > and
                              > > > > >> how
                              > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                              > > been
                              > > > > >> decided.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                              > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                              > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                              > options
                              > > > in the
                              > > > > >> future.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                              > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                              > beliefs?
                              > > He
                              > > > is
                              > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                              is
                              > > > Lincoln
                              > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                              > > > > >> figuratively?
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                              > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                              > > > recognize
                              > > > > >> early
                              > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                              > > case,
                              > > > he
                              > > > > >> was
                              > > > > >> a
                              > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                              > life
                              > > > > >> circumstances
                              > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                              > human
                              > > > body
                              > > > > >> and
                              > > > > >> mind
                              > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                              > > > conclusion
                              > > > > >> that
                              > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> The
                              > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Issue 104,
                              > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> Election
                              > > > > >> Results
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> As predicted by
                              > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                              result,
                              > > > state by
                              > > > > >> state,
                              > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                              > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                              McCain
                              > > > ended up
                              > > > > >> in
                              > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                              > to
                              > > > the
                              > > > > >> actual
                              > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                              > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                              > > > > >>
                              > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                              GOD
                              > is
                              > > > Not
                              > > > > >> MOCKED!
                              > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                              > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > >
                              > > > > > ------------------------------------
                              >
                            • nathaniel x vance
                              Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
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                                Okay Mr. Ted,
                                I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                                scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                                two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                                think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                                wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                                he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                                Messiah/Mahdi?
                                We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                                Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                                scratching his
                                > head
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: masanga@...
                                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                [11-08-08]
                                >
                                >
                                > > Nathaniel,
                                > >
                                > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                > >
                                > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                about
                                > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                know
                                > > of
                                > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                universe, I
                                > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                                I have
                                > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                > >
                                > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                divine
                                > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                in my
                                > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                that
                                > > he
                                > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                > >
                                > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                presume to
                                > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                                to
                                > > date
                                > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                mystery
                                > > to
                                > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                divine
                                > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                > >
                                > > Regan (masanga)
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > masanga,
                                > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                                about
                                > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                                If
                                > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                > >
                                > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                > >>
                                > >> Nathaniel,
                                > >>
                                > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                > > that my
                                > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                > > great
                                > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                                have
                                > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                > > knowledge,
                                > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                > > desires,
                                > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                things
                                > > as
                                > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                will
                                > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                > > said
                                > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                > > And
                                > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                > > children to
                                > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                you
                                > > for
                                > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                worked
                                > > long
                                > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                both
                                > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                > > encouragement
                                > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                > > mental age
                                > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                > >>
                                > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                > > break
                                > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                > > don't
                                > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                me
                                > > in the
                                > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                > > suggest
                                > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                up.
                                > >>
                                > >> Sincerely,
                                > >> Regan (masanga)
                                > >>
                                > >>
                                > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                > >>
                                > >>
                                > >> Dear masanga,
                                > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                answer
                                > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                our
                                > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                > > would
                                > >> your answer be?
                                > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                before
                                > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                                qualifications;
                                > > Can
                                > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                see
                                > > a
                                > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                details
                                > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                > > Obama,
                                > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                > > earth
                                > >> would qualify.
                                > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                > >>
                                > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                > >> >
                                > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                > >> >
                                > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                a
                                > >> certain
                                > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                greedy
                                > >> > wicked...."
                                > >> >
                                > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                > >> of our
                                > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                > > anyone
                                > >> else
                                > >> > in this respect.
                                > >> >
                                > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                > > would
                                > >> win
                                > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                > >> >
                                > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                > >> needing any
                                > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                > >> "seemingly
                                > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                > >> seemed to
                                > >> > have a clear run to me.
                                > >> >
                                > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                > >> >
                                > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                > >> about
                                > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                > >> >
                                > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                                and
                                > >> praises
                                > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                                who
                                > >> asssisted
                                > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                > >> protected
                                > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                > >> >
                                > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                really
                                > >> in
                                > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                dominance?
                                > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                                facing
                                > > up
                                > >> to
                                > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                                which
                                > > is
                                > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                a
                                > >> system
                                > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                > > where
                                > >> the
                                > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                become
                                > >> the
                                > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                > > "Emperor").
                                > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                > >> office
                                > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                credit
                                > >> for
                                > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                me.
                                > >> >
                                > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                cult!
                                > >> She is
                                > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                consciousness
                                > >> for the
                                > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                righteous."
                                > >> >
                                > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                > >> I see
                                > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                be
                                > >> as you
                                > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                for
                                > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                > >> think she
                                > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                > >> independent
                                > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                asserting
                                > >> the
                                > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                > >> anonymous
                                > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                on
                                > >> sheer
                                > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                of
                                > >> the
                                > >> > terms.
                                > >> >
                                > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                rediculed
                                > >> and
                                > >> > sconld...."
                                > >> >
                                > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                > >> scold
                                > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                impartially
                                > >> and
                                > >> > objectively.
                                > >> >
                                > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                > >> morbid
                                > >> > intransigence...."
                                > >> >
                                > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                > >> compromise" and
                                > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                                wants
                                > > us
                                > >> to
                                > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                wonder
                                > >> what
                                > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                                think
                                > >> she
                                > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                > > price.
                                > >> But
                                > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                ours.
                                > >> >
                                > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                > > re-appearance
                                > >> of
                                > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                > > arguments."
                                > >> >
                                > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                > >> we? Or
                                > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                absurd
                                > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                which
                                > >> she has
                                > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                > > which
                                > >> you
                                > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                she
                                > >> can
                                > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                into
                                > >> an
                                > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                                or
                                > >> even
                                > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                intelligence?
                                > >> It is
                                > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                willing
                                > >> to pay
                                > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                                too
                                > >> high for
                                > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                "full
                                > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                > > own
                                > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                                and a
                                > >> lie the
                                > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                > >> >
                                > >> > Regards,
                                > >> > Regan
                                > >> >
                                > >> >
                                > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                [11-08-08]
                                > >> >
                                > >> >
                                > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                a
                                > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                > > the
                                > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                that
                                > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                against
                                > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                should
                                > > be
                                > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                > > team
                                > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                                making
                                > >> this
                                > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                > > clock
                                > >> > 24/7!!
                                > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                cult!
                                > > She
                                > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                > >> consciousness
                                > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                > > rediculed
                                > >> > and sconld.
                                > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                morbid
                                > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                years
                                > >> or
                                > >> > less!
                                > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                > > arguments.
                                > >> >
                                > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                > >> > >
                                > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                > >> bitch
                                > >> > at
                                > >> > > times.
                                > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                > > me.
                                > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                > > slightest,
                                > >> > the
                                > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                > >> count.
                                > >> > And by
                                > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                > >> > >
                                > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                > >> FANNIE
                                > >> > mae,
                                > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                One
                                > >> > would
                                > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                > > money
                                > >> > into
                                > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                > >> idea,
                                > >> > and
                                > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                damn
                                > >> > things.
                                > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                                Nancy's
                                > >> name
                                > >> > for
                                > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                > >> > friends.
                                > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                > >> > > Later...
                                > >> > > Ted
                                > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > >> > > From: masanga@
                                > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > > [11-08-08]
                                > >> > >
                                > >> > >
                                > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                > >> > to get
                                > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                > >> > eventually
                                > >> > > > got
                                > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                                for
                                > > me
                                > >> in
                                > >> > my
                                > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                > > days
                                > >> > and was
                                > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                this
                                > >> > forum
                                > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                > > election
                                > >> > of
                                > >> > > > Barack
                                > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                of
                                > >> > them. The
                                > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                                tears
                                > > of
                                > >> > joy in
                                > >> > > > the
                                > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                > > new
                                > >> > age has
                                > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                > >> > > > world-historic
                                > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                > >> here.
                                > >> > Why
                                > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                > >> > election
                                > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                > >> > politicians
                                > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                > > view
                                > >> > that
                                > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                > >> > constitutes
                                > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                in
                                > >> > the
                                > >> > > > whole
                                > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                Alfred
                                > >> > > > Lambremont
                                > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                                commitment
                                > > to
                                > >> > remove
                                > >> > > > the
                                > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                > >> anything
                                > >> > > > myself
                                > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                > > either.
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                > >> > found no
                                > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                > > myself
                                > >> > from
                                > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                > >> > whenever I
                                > >> > > > am
                                > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                performed
                                > >> > that
                                > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                > > don't
                                > >> > want to
                                > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                > > spectacle
                                > >> > may be.
                                > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                                of
                                > > the
                                > >> > Zeta -
                                > >> > > > on
                                > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                > > those
                                > >> > among us
                                > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                                to
                                > > it.
                                > >> > So my
                                > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                > > warning
                                > >> in
                                > >> > > > fact -
                                > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                > > cult-building
                                > >> > > > activity
                                > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                                dictate
                                > >> their
                                > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                freedom
                                > > to
                                > >> > do
                                > >> > > > that
                                > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                > >> > natural
                                > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                > >> > now
                                > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > > Warm regards,
                                > >> > > > Regan
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > >> > > > From: Ted
                                > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > >> [11-08-08]
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                > >> > > > .
                                > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > >> > > > From: masanga@
                                > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > >> [11-08-08]
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                > >> > words of
                                > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                who
                                > > is
                                > >> > > >> reported
                                > >> > > >> to have said:
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                > >> > > >> fantasies
                                > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> Regan
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                                ;
                                > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                                ;
                                > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                                earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                                ;
                                > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                ;
                                > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                ;
                                > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                [11-08-08]
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> written
                                > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                                than
                                > > he
                                > >> > did on
                                > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                                found
                                > > out
                                > >> > in his
                                > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                the
                                > >> new
                                > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                shift?
                                > >> The
                                > >> > Zetas
                                > >> > > >> have
                                > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                                another] I
                                > >> > would
                                > >> > > >> like
                                > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                                Planet
                                > > X,
                                > >> > and if
                                > >> > > >> so
                                > >> > > >> was
                                > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                                conference
                                > >> > Friday the
                                > >> > > >> CNN
                                > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                > >> > "pause"
                                > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                4th
                                > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                > >> declined
                                > >> > to
                                > >> > > >> comment.
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                > >> consensus
                                > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                > > his
                                > >> > heart
                                > >> > > >> and
                                > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                > >> Obama
                                > >> > looked
                                > >> > > >> older
                                > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                > > the
                                > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                > > candidacy.
                                > >> > Yet the
                                > >> > > >> race
                                > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                > >> causing
                                > >> > him
                                > >> > > >> loss
                                > >> > > >> of
                                > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                not
                                > >> > already
                                > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                > > world
                                > >> > and
                                > >> > > >> what
                                > >> > > >> the
                                > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                > > also
                                > >> > did not
                                > >> > > >> learn
                                > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                                and
                                > >> > company
                                > >> > > >> crimes,
                                > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                the
                                > >> FBI
                                > >> > and
                                > >> > > >> the
                                > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                > >> > planetary
                                > >> > > >> presence
                                > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                He
                                > >> had
                                > >> > heard
                                > >> > > >> the
                                > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                > >> relayed
                                > >> > to
                                > >> > > >> him
                                > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                > >> > confirmation.
                                > >> > > >> Why would
                                > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                                the
                                > > US
                                > >> > > >> boundaries
                                > >> > > >> are
                                > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                > >> cover-up,
                                > >> > and
                                > >> > > >> how
                                > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                                yet
                                > >> been
                                > >> > > >> decided.
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                > > options
                                > >> > in the
                                > >> > > >> future.
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                > > beliefs?
                                > >> He
                                > >> > is
                                > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                is
                                > >> > Lincoln
                                > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                                speaking
                                > >> > > >> figuratively?
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                                many,
                                > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                > >> > recognize
                                > >> > > >> early
                                > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                                Obama's
                                > >> case,
                                > >> > he
                                > >> > > >> was
                                > >> > > >> a
                                > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                > > life
                                > >> > > >> circumstances
                                > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                > > human
                                > >> > body
                                > >> > > >> and
                                > >> > > >> mind
                                > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                > >> > conclusion
                                > >> > > >> that
                                > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> The
                                > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> Election
                                > >> > > >> Results
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> As predicted by
                                > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                result,
                                > >> > state by
                                > >> > > >> state,
                                > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                McCain
                                > >> > ended up
                                > >> > > >> in
                                > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                                polls,
                                > > to
                                > >> > the
                                > >> > > >> actual
                                > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                > >> > > >>
                                > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                GOD
                                > > is
                                > >> > Not
                                > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > >
                                > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ------------------------------------
                                > >
                                > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                >
                              • masanga@talktalk.net
                                Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
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                                  Dear Nathaniel,

                                  Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                                  you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                  no harm was done.

                                  Be at peace.

                                  Regan (masanga)


                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: nathaniel x vance
                                  To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                                  Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                  Dear Brother masanga,
                                  Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                  and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                  you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                  rebellion out in me.
                                  Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                  COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                  like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                  higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                  help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                  renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                  higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                  co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                  Please pardon me.

                                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Nathaniel,
                                  >
                                  > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                  >
                                  > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                  about
                                  > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                  know of
                                  > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                  > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                  > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                  universe, I
                                  > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                  have
                                  > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                  >
                                  > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                  divine
                                  > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                  > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                  in my
                                  > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                  that he
                                  > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                  >
                                  > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                  presume to
                                  > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                  date
                                  > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                  mystery to
                                  > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                  > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                  divine
                                  > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                  >
                                  > Regan (masanga)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > masanga,
                                  > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                  > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                  > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                  > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                  > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                  >
                                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Nathaniel,
                                  > >
                                  > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                  > that my
                                  > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                  > great
                                  > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                  > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                  > knowledge,
                                  > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                  > desires,
                                  > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                  things
                                  > as
                                  > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                  will
                                  > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                  > said
                                  > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                  > And
                                  > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                  > children to
                                  > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                  you
                                  > for
                                  > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                  worked
                                  > long
                                  > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                  both
                                  > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                  > encouragement
                                  > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                  > mental age
                                  > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                  > >
                                  > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                  > break
                                  > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                  > don't
                                  > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                  me
                                  > in the
                                  > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                  > suggest
                                  > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                  up.
                                  > >
                                  > > Sincerely,
                                  > > Regan (masanga)
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                  > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Dear masanga,
                                  > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                  answer
                                  > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                  > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                  our
                                  > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                  > would
                                  > > your answer be?
                                  > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                  before
                                  > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                  > Can
                                  > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                  see
                                  > a
                                  > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                  details
                                  > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                  > Obama,
                                  > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                  > earth
                                  > > would qualify.
                                  > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                  > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                  > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                  a
                                  > > certain
                                  > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                  greedy
                                  > > > wicked...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                  > > of our
                                  > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                  > anyone
                                  > > else
                                  > > > in this respect.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                  > would
                                  > > win
                                  > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                  > > needing any
                                  > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                  > > "seemingly
                                  > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                  > > seemed to
                                  > > > have a clear run to me.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                  > > about
                                  > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                  > > praises
                                  > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                  > > asssisted
                                  > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                  > > protected
                                  > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                  > > >
                                  > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                  > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                  really
                                  > > in
                                  > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                  dominance?
                                  > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                  > up
                                  > > to
                                  > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                  > is
                                  > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                  a
                                  > > system
                                  > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                  > where
                                  > > the
                                  > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                  become
                                  > > the
                                  > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                  > "Emperor").
                                  > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                  > > office
                                  > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                  credit
                                  > > for
                                  > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                  me.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                  cult!
                                  > > She is
                                  > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                  consciousness
                                  > > for the
                                  > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                  > > I see
                                  > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                  be
                                  > > as you
                                  > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                  for
                                  > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                  > > think she
                                  > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                  > > independent
                                  > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                  asserting
                                  > > the
                                  > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                  > > anonymous
                                  > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                  on
                                  > > sheer
                                  > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                  of
                                  > > the
                                  > > > terms.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                  rediculed
                                  > > and
                                  > > > sconld...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                  > > scold
                                  > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                  impartially
                                  > > and
                                  > > > objectively.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                  > > morbid
                                  > > > intransigence...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                  > > compromise" and
                                  > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                  > us
                                  > > to
                                  > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                  wonder
                                  > > what
                                  > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                  > > she
                                  > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                  > price.
                                  > > But
                                  > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                  ours.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  > re-appearance
                                  > > of
                                  > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                  > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  > arguments."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                  > > we? Or
                                  > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                  absurd
                                  > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                  which
                                  > > she has
                                  > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                  > which
                                  > > you
                                  > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                  she
                                  > > can
                                  > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                  into
                                  > > an
                                  > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                  > > even
                                  > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                  intelligence?
                                  > > It is
                                  > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                  willing
                                  > > to pay
                                  > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                  > > high for
                                  > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                  "full
                                  > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                  > own
                                  > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                  > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                  a
                                  > > lie the
                                  > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                  > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Regards,
                                  > > > Regan
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                  > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  [11-08-08]
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                  > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                  > the
                                  > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                  that
                                  > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                  against
                                  > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                  should
                                  > be
                                  > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                  > team
                                  > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                  > > this
                                  > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                  > clock
                                  > > > 24/7!!
                                  > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  > She
                                  > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                  > > consciousness
                                  > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                  > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                  > rediculed
                                  > > > and sconld.
                                  > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                  morbid
                                  > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                  years
                                  > > or
                                  > > > less!
                                  > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  > arguments.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                  > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                  > > bitch
                                  > > > at
                                  > > > > times.
                                  > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                  > me.
                                  > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                  > slightest,
                                  > > > the
                                  > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                  > > count.
                                  > > > And by
                                  > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                  > > FANNIE
                                  > > > mae,
                                  > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                  One
                                  > > > would
                                  > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                  > money
                                  > > > into
                                  > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                  > > idea,
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                  damn
                                  > > > things.
                                  > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                  > > name
                                  > > > for
                                  > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                  > > > friends.
                                  > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                  > > > > Later...
                                  > > > > Ted
                                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > From: masanga@
                                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                  > > > to get
                                  > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                  > > > eventually
                                  > > > > > got
                                  > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                  > me
                                  > > in
                                  > > > my
                                  > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                  > days
                                  > > > and was
                                  > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                  this
                                  > > > forum
                                  > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                  > election
                                  > > > of
                                  > > > > > Barack
                                  > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                  of
                                  > > > them. The
                                  > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                  > of
                                  > > > joy in
                                  > > > > > the
                                  > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                  > new
                                  > > > age has
                                  > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                  > > > > > world-historic
                                  > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                  > > here.
                                  > > > Why
                                  > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                  > > > election
                                  > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                  > > > politicians
                                  > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                  > view
                                  > > > that
                                  > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                  > > > constitutes
                                  > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                  in
                                  > > > the
                                  > > > > > whole
                                  > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                  Alfred
                                  > > > > > Lambremont
                                  > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                  > to
                                  > > > remove
                                  > > > > > the
                                  > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                  > > anything
                                  > > > > > myself
                                  > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                  > either.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                  > > > found no
                                  > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                  > myself
                                  > > > from
                                  > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                  > > > whenever I
                                  > > > > > am
                                  > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                  performed
                                  > > > that
                                  > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                  > don't
                                  > > > want to
                                  > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                  > spectacle
                                  > > > may be.
                                  > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                  > the
                                  > > > Zeta -
                                  > > > > > on
                                  > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                  > those
                                  > > > among us
                                  > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                  > it.
                                  > > > So my
                                  > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                  > warning
                                  > > in
                                  > > > > > fact -
                                  > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                  > cult-building
                                  > > > > > activity
                                  > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                  > > their
                                  > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                  freedom
                                  > to
                                  > > > do
                                  > > > > > that
                                  > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                  > > > natural
                                  > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                  > > > now
                                  > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Warm regards,
                                  > > > > > Regan
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > From: Ted
                                  > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                  > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                  > > > > > .
                                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > From: masanga@
                                  > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                  > > > words of
                                  > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                  who
                                  > is
                                  > > > > >> reported
                                  > > > > >> to have said:
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                  > > > > >> fantasies
                                  > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Regan
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                  ;
                                  > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                  ;
                                  > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                  ;
                                  > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                  > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  [11-08-08]
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                  > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> written
                                  > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                  > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                  > he
                                  > > > did on
                                  > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                  > out
                                  > > > in his
                                  > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                  the
                                  > > new
                                  > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                  > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                  shift?
                                  > > The
                                  > > > Zetas
                                  > > > > >> have
                                  > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                  I
                                  > > > would
                                  > > > > >> like
                                  > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                  > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                  > X,
                                  > > > and if
                                  > > > > >> so
                                  > > > > >> was
                                  > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                  > > > Friday the
                                  > > > > >> CNN
                                  > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                  > > > "pause"
                                  > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                  4th
                                  > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                  > > declined
                                  > > > to
                                  > > > > >> comment.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                  > > consensus
                                  > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                  > his
                                  > > > heart
                                  > > > > >> and
                                  > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                  > > Obama
                                  > > > looked
                                  > > > > >> older
                                  > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                  > the
                                  > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                  > candidacy.
                                  > > > Yet the
                                  > > > > >> race
                                  > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                  > > causing
                                  > > > him
                                  > > > > >> loss
                                  > > > > >> of
                                  > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                  not
                                  > > > already
                                  > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                  > world
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > >> what
                                  > > > > >> the
                                  > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                  > also
                                  > > > did not
                                  > > > > >> learn
                                  > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                  > > > company
                                  > > > > >> crimes,
                                  > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                  the
                                  > > FBI
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > >> the
                                  > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                  > > > planetary
                                  > > > > >> presence
                                  > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                  He
                                  > > had
                                  > > > heard
                                  > > > > >> the
                                  > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                  > > relayed
                                  > > > to
                                  > > > > >> him
                                  > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                  > > > confirmation.
                                  > > > > >> Why would
                                  > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                  > US
                                  > > > > >> boundaries
                                  > > > > >> are
                                  > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                  > > cover-up,
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > >> how
                                  > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                  > > been
                                  > > > > >> decided.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                  > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                  > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                  > options
                                  > > > in the
                                  > > > > >> future.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                  > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                  > beliefs?
                                  > > He
                                  > > > is
                                  > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                  is
                                  > > > Lincoln
                                  > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                  > > > > >> figuratively?
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                  > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                  > > > recognize
                                  > > > > >> early
                                  > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                  > > case,
                                  > > > he
                                  > > > > >> was
                                  > > > > >> a
                                  > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                  > life
                                  > > > > >> circumstances
                                  > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                  > human
                                  > > > body
                                  > > > > >> and
                                  > > > > >> mind
                                  > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                  > > > conclusion
                                  > > > > >> that
                                  > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> The
                                  > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                  > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Election
                                  > > > > >> Results
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> As predicted by
                                  > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                  result,
                                  > > > state by
                                  > > > > >> state,
                                  > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                  > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                  McCain
                                  > > > ended up
                                  > > > > >> in
                                  > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                  > to
                                  > > > the
                                  > > > > >> actual
                                  > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                  > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                  GOD
                                  > is
                                  > > > Not
                                  > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                  > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                  > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
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