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  • nathaniel x vance
    Dear Regan, Ted, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
      Dear Regan, Ted,
      President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
      certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
      greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
      barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
      him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
      afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
      and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
      victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
      24/7!!
      I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
      is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
      for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
      righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
      and sconld.
      We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
      intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
      re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
      less!
      Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
      >
      > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
      > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
      at
      > times.
      > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
      > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
      the
      > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
      And by
      > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
      >
      > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
      mae,
      > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
      would
      > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
      into
      > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
      and
      > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
      things.
      > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
      for
      > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
      friends.
      > Good to see you're back.
      > Later...
      > Ted
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: masanga@...
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > > Hi Ted,
      > >
      > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
      to get
      > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
      eventually
      > > got
      > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
      my
      > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
      and was
      > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
      forum
      > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
      of
      > > Barack
      > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
      them. The
      > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
      joy in
      > > the
      > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
      age has
      > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
      > > world-historic
      > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
      Why
      > > not? I found this puzzling.
      > >
      > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
      election
      > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
      politicians
      > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
      that
      > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
      constitutes
      > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
      the
      > > whole
      > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
      > > Lambremont
      > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
      remove
      > > the
      > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
      > > myself
      > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
      > >
      > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
      found no
      > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
      from
      > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
      whenever I
      > > am
      > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
      that
      > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
      want to
      > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
      may be.
      > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
      Zeta -
      > > on
      > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
      among us
      > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
      So my
      > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
      > > fact -
      > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
      > > activity
      > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
      > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
      do
      > > that
      > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
      natural
      > > consequences of doing it.
      > >
      > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
      now
      > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
      > >
      > > Warm regards,
      > > Regan
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: Ted
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >
      > >
      > > So you're back with a vengeance
      > > Well I meant a quote.
      > > .
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: masanga@...
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >
      > >
      > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
      words of
      > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
      > >> reported
      > >> to have said:
      > >>
      > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
      > >> fantasies
      > >> into the pit of destruction."
      > >>
      > >> Regan
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ----- Original Message -----
      > >> From: nathaniel x vance
      > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
      TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
      ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
      earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
      > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> ZetaTalk:
      > >> GodlikeProduction Live
      > >>
      > >> written
      > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      > >>
      > >> Questioner: Obama
      > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
      did on
      > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
      in his
      > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
      > >> president, what does it mean for the
      > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
      Zetas
      > >> have
      > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
      would
      > >> like
      > >> to ask the Zetas if on
      > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
      and if
      > >> so
      > >> was
      > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
      Friday the
      > >> CNN
      > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
      "pause"
      > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
      to
      > >> comment.
      > >>
      > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
      > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
      heart
      > >> and
      > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
      looked
      > >> older
      > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
      Yet the
      > >> race
      > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
      him
      > >> loss
      > >> of
      > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
      already
      > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
      and
      > >> what
      > >> the
      > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
      did not
      > >> learn
      > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
      company
      > >> crimes,
      > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
      and
      > >> the
      > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
      planetary
      > >> presence
      > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
      heard
      > >> the
      > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
      to
      > >> him
      > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
      confirmation.
      > >> Why would
      > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
      > >> boundaries
      > >> are
      > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
      and
      > >> how
      > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
      > >> decided.
      > >>
      > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      > >>
      > >> Zeta response: This
      > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
      in the
      > >> future.
      > >>
      > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
      is
      > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
      Lincoln
      > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      > >> figuratively?
      > >>
      > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
      recognize
      > >> early
      > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
      he
      > >> was
      > >> a
      > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      > >> circumstances
      > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
      body
      > >> and
      > >> mind
      > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
      conclusion
      > >> that
      > >> they have a new soul within.
      > >>
      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      > >>
      > >> The
      > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
      > >>
      > >> Issue 104,
      > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
      > >>
      > >> Election
      > >> Results
      > >>
      > >> As predicted by
      > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
      state by
      > >> state,
      > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
      ended up
      > >> in
      > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
      the
      > >> actual
      > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      > >>
      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      > >>
      > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
      Not
      > >> MOCKED!
      > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      > >> http://zetaheaven.org
      > >
      > >
      > > ------------------------------------
      > >
      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
      > >
      > >
      > >
      >
    • Ted
      Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama s staff, like spiritual advisors. Heck it s worth a try. Then
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
        Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama's staff, like spiritual advisors.
        Heck it's worth a try.
        Then just maybe you'll keep your dribble off my screen.
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: nathaniel x vance
        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:47 AM
        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


        Dear Regan, Ted,
        President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
        certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
        greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
        barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
        him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
        afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
        and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
        victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
        24/7!!
        I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
        is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
        for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
        righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
        and sconld.
        We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
        intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
        re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
        less!
        Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
        >
        > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
        > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
        at
        > times.
        > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
        > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
        the
        > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
        And by
        > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
        >
        > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
        mae,
        > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
        would
        > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
        into
        > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
        and
        > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
        things.
        > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
        for
        > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
        friends.
        > Good to see you're back.
        > Later...
        > Ted
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: masanga@...
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > > Hi Ted,
        > >
        > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
        to get
        > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
        eventually
        > > got
        > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
        my
        > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
        and was
        > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
        forum
        > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
        of
        > > Barack
        > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
        them. The
        > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
        joy in
        > > the
        > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
        age has
        > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
        > > world-historic
        > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
        Why
        > > not? I found this puzzling.
        > >
        > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
        election
        > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
        politicians
        > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
        that
        > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
        constitutes
        > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
        the
        > > whole
        > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
        > > Lambremont
        > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
        remove
        > > the
        > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
        > > myself
        > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
        > >
        > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
        found no
        > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
        from
        > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
        whenever I
        > > am
        > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
        that
        > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
        want to
        > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
        may be.
        > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
        Zeta -
        > > on
        > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
        among us
        > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
        So my
        > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
        > > fact -
        > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
        > > activity
        > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
        > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
        do
        > > that
        > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
        natural
        > > consequences of doing it.
        > >
        > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
        now
        > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
        > >
        > > Warm regards,
        > > Regan
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: Ted
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > > So you're back with a vengeance
        > > Well I meant a quote.
        > > .
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: masanga@...
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
        words of
        > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
        > >> reported
        > >> to have said:
        > >>
        > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
        > >> fantasies
        > >> into the pit of destruction."
        > >>
        > >> Regan
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ----- Original Message -----
        > >> From: nathaniel x vance
        > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
        TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
        ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
        earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ZetaTalk:
        > >> GodlikeProduction Live
        > >>
        > >> written
        > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Obama
        > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
        did on
        > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
        in his
        > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
        > >> president, what does it mean for the
        > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
        Zetas
        > >> have
        > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
        would
        > >> like
        > >> to ask the Zetas if on
        > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
        and if
        > >> so
        > >> was
        > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
        Friday the
        > >> CNN
        > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
        "pause"
        > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
        to
        > >> comment.
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
        > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
        heart
        > >> and
        > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
        looked
        > >> older
        > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
        Yet the
        > >> race
        > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
        him
        > >> loss
        > >> of
        > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
        already
        > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
        and
        > >> what
        > >> the
        > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
        did not
        > >> learn
        > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
        company
        > >> crimes,
        > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
        and
        > >> the
        > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
        planetary
        > >> presence
        > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
        heard
        > >> the
        > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
        to
        > >> him
        > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
        confirmation.
        > >> Why would
        > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
        > >> boundaries
        > >> are
        > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
        and
        > >> how
        > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
        > >> decided.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: This
        > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
        in the
        > >> future.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
        is
        > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
        Lincoln
        > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > >> figuratively?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
        recognize
        > >> early
        > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
        he
        > >> was
        > >> a
        > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        > >> circumstances
        > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
        body
        > >> and
        > >> mind
        > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
        conclusion
        > >> that
        > >> they have a new soul within.
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        > >>
        > >> The
        > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
        > >>
        > >> Issue 104,
        > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
        > >>
        > >> Election
        > >> Results
        > >>
        > >> As predicted by
        > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
        state by
        > >> state,
        > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
        ended up
        > >> in
        > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
        the
        > >> actual
        > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        > >>
        > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
        Not
        > >> MOCKED!
        > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > >> http://zetaheaven.org
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
        > >
        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >





        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • masanga@talktalk.net
        It s good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama s new job either, especially under the present
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
          It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
          you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
          under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
          know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
          thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as the
          media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
          "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
          nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able to
          act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
          them to be.

          But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
          have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
          possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man, I
          expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
          waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
          powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
          course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
          promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
          rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
          they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
          "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
          can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
          hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.

          In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of the
          fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
          but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
          in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
          witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of free-market
          capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
          species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
          mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.

          He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
          "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
          "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
          illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
          questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
          humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture, for
          now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that humanity
          can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama and
          his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
          by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.

          Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
          shift too.

          Cheers Ted,
          Regan


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Ted
          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
          times.
          Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
          Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
          economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
          the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

          Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
          freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
          think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
          the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
          his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
          Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
          President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
          Good to see you're back.
          Later...
          Ted
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: <masanga@...>
          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          > Hi Ted,
          >
          > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
          > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
          > got
          > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
          > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
          > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
          > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
          > Barack
          > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
          > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
          > the
          > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
          > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          > world-historic
          > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
          > not? I found this puzzling.
          >
          > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
          > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
          > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
          > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
          > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
          > whole
          > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          > Lambremont
          > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
          > the
          > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
          > myself
          > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
          >
          > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
          > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
          > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
          > am
          > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
          > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
          > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
          > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
          > on
          > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
          > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
          > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
          > fact -
          > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
          > activity
          > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
          > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
          > that
          > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
          > consequences of doing it.
          >
          > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
          > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          >
          > Warm regards,
          > Regan
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Ted
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > So you're back with a vengeance
          > Well I meant a quote.
          > .
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: <masanga@...>
          > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
          >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
          >> reported
          >> to have said:
          >>
          >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          >> fantasies
          >> into the pit of destruction."
          >>
          >> Regan
          >>
          >>
          >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> From: nathaniel x vance
          >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> ZetaTalk:
          >> GodlikeProduction Live
          >>
          >> written
          >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          >>
          >> Questioner: Obama
          >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
          >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
          >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
          >> president, what does it mean for the
          >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
          >> have
          >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
          >> like
          >> to ask the Zetas if on
          >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
          >> so
          >> was
          >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
          >> CNN
          >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
          >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
          >> comment.
          >>
          >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
          >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
          >> and
          >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
          >> older
          >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
          >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
          >> race
          >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
          >> loss
          >> of
          >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
          >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
          >> what
          >> the
          >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
          >> learn
          >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
          >> crimes,
          >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
          >> the
          >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
          >> presence
          >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
          >> the
          >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
          >> him
          >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
          >> Why would
          >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
          >> boundaries
          >> are
          >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
          >> how
          >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
          >> decided.
          >>
          >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          >>
          >> Zeta response: This
          >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
          >> future.
          >>
          >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
          >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
          >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          >> figuratively?
          >>
          >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
          >> early
          >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
          >> was
          >> a
          >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
          >> circumstances
          >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
          >> and
          >> mind
          >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
          >> that
          >> they have a new soul within.
          >>
          >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          >>
          >> The
          >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          >>
          >> Issue 104,
          >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          >>
          >> Election
          >> Results
          >>
          >> As predicted by
          >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
          >> state,
          >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
          >> in
          >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
          >> actual
          >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          >>
          >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          >>
          >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
          >> MOCKED!
          >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          >> http://zetaheaven.org
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
        • Ted
          We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still ... From: To: Sent: Friday, November 14,
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
            We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: <masanga@...>
            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:44 AM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
            > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
            > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
            > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
            > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as
            > the
            > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
            > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
            > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able
            > to
            > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
            > them to be.
            >
            > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
            > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
            > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man,
            > I
            > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
            > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
            > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
            > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
            > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
            > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
            > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
            > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
            > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
            > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
            >
            > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of
            > the
            > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
            > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
            > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
            > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
            > free-market
            > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
            > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
            > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
            >
            > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
            > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
            > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
            > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
            > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
            > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture,
            > for
            > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
            > humanity
            > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama
            > and
            > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
            > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
            >
            > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
            > shift too.
            >
            > Cheers Ted,
            > Regan
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Ted
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
            > times.
            > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
            > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
            > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And
            > by
            > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
            >
            > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
            > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
            > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
            > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
            > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
            > things.
            > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
            > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
            > Good to see you're back.
            > Later...
            > Ted
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: <masanga@...>
            > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            >> Hi Ted,
            >>
            >> Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to
            >> get
            >> reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
            >> got
            >> back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
            >> In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and
            >> was
            >> struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
            >> although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
            >> Barack
            >> Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them.
            >> The
            >> masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
            >> the
            >> fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age
            >> has
            >> dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            >> world-historic
            >> event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
            >> not? I found this puzzling.
            >>
            >> Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
            >> from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
            >> themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
            >> presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
            >> this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
            >> whole
            >> of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            >> Lambremont
            >> Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
            >> the
            >> Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
            >> myself
            >> so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
            >>
            >> The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found
            >> no
            >> difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
            >> turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
            >> am
            >> confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
            >> service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want
            >> to
            >> get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may
            >> be.
            >> Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
            >> on
            >> the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among
            >> us
            >> who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
            >> response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
            >> fact -
            >> to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
            >> activity
            >> and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
            >> personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
            >> that
            >> if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
            >> consequences of doing it.
            >>
            >> I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
            >> made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            >>
            >> Warm regards,
            >> Regan
            >>
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: Ted
            >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >>
            >>
            >> So you're back with a vengeance
            >> Well I meant a quote.
            >> .
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: <masanga@...>
            >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >>
            >>
            >>> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
            >>> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
            >>> reported
            >>> to have said:
            >>>
            >>> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            >>> fantasies
            >>> into the pit of destruction."
            >>>
            >>> Regan
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> ----- Original Message -----
            >>> From: nathaniel x vance
            >>> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com
            >>> ;
            >>> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com
            >>> ;
            >>> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            >>> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>>
            >>> ZetaTalk:
            >>> GodlikeProduction Live
            >>>
            >>> written
            >>> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            >>>
            >>> Questioner: Obama
            >>> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
            >>> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
            >>> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
            >>> president, what does it mean for the
            >>> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
            >>> have
            >>> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
            >>> like
            >>> to ask the Zetas if on
            >>> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
            >>> so
            >>> was
            >>> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
            >>> CNN
            >>> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
            >>> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            >>> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
            >>> comment.
            >>>
            >>> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
            >>> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
            >>> and
            >>> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
            >>> looked
            >>> older
            >>> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
            >>> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet
            >>> the
            >>> race
            >>> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
            >>> loss
            >>> of
            >>> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
            >>> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
            >>> what
            >>> the
            >>> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did
            >>> not
            >>> learn
            >>> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
            >>> crimes,
            >>> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
            >>> the
            >>> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
            >>> presence
            >>> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
            >>> the
            >>> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
            >>> him
            >>> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
            >>> confirmation.
            >>> Why would
            >>> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
            >>> boundaries
            >>> are
            >>> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
            >>> how
            >>> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
            >>> decided.
            >>>
            >>> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            >>> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            >>>
            >>> Zeta response: This
            >>> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
            >>> future.
            >>>
            >>> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            >>> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
            >>> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
            >>> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            >>> figuratively?
            >>>
            >>> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            >>> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
            >>> early
            >>> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
            >>> was
            >>> a
            >>> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
            >>> circumstances
            >>> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
            >>> and
            >>> mind
            >>> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
            >>> that
            >>> they have a new soul within.
            >>>
            >>> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            >>>
            >>> The
            >>> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            >>>
            >>> Issue 104,
            >>> Sunday November 9, 2008
            >>>
            >>> Election
            >>> Results
            >>>
            >>> As predicted by
            >>> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
            >>> state,
            >>> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            >>> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
            >>> in
            >>> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
            >>> actual
            >>> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            >>> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            >>>
            >>> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            >>>
            >>> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
            >>> MOCKED!
            >>> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            >>> http://zetaheaven.org
            >>
            >>
            >> ------------------------------------
            >
            >
            > ------------------------------------
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
          • masanga@talktalk.net
            Dear Nathaniel, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
              Dear Nathaniel,

              "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain
              number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
              wicked...."

              Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes of our
              lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone else
              in this respect.

              ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would win
              despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."

              So did a lot of other people predict it too and without needing any
              "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the "seemingly
              insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He seemed to
              have a clear run to me.

              ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."

              Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible about
              that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.

              "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and praises
              to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted
              him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected
              around the clock 24/7!!"

              You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
              meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really in
              defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
              Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up to
              the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
              supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a system
              of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where the
              people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become the
              all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
              Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken office
              yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit for
              becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.

              "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She is
              doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness for the
              wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."

              I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as I see
              it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be as you
              say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
              transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I think she
              is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is independent
              of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting the
              existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the anonymous
              "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on sheer
              blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of the
              terms.

              ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed and
              sconld...."

              What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or scold
              her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially and
              objectively.

              "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              intransigence...."

              How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to compromise" and
              to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us to
              make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder what
              they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think she
              cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price. But
              then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.

              "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance of
              the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
              Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."

              Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or
              is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
              statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which she has
              now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which you
              posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she can
              turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into an
              alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or even
              appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence? It is
              nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing to pay
              before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too high for
              me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
              picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
              perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
              ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a lie the
              next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
              appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.

              Regards,
              Regan


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: nathaniel x vance
              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              Dear Regan, Ted,
              President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
              greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
              barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
              him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
              afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
              and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
              victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
              24/7!!
              I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
              is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
              for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
              righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              and sconld.
              We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
              less!
              Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
              >
              > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
              at
              > times.
              > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
              > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
              the
              > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
              And by
              > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              >
              > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
              mae,
              > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              would
              > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
              into
              > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
              and
              > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              things.
              > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
              for
              > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              friends.
              > Good to see you're back.
              > Later...
              > Ted
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: masanga@...
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > > Hi Ted,
              > >
              > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              to get
              > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              eventually
              > > got
              > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
              my
              > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
              and was
              > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              forum
              > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
              of
              > > Barack
              > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              them. The
              > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
              joy in
              > > the
              > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
              age has
              > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              > > world-historic
              > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
              Why
              > > not? I found this puzzling.
              > >
              > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              election
              > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              politicians
              > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
              that
              > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              constitutes
              > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              the
              > > whole
              > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              > > Lambremont
              > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
              remove
              > > the
              > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
              > > myself
              > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
              > >
              > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              found no
              > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
              from
              > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              whenever I
              > > am
              > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              that
              > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
              want to
              > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
              may be.
              > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
              Zeta -
              > > on
              > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
              among us
              > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
              So my
              > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
              > > fact -
              > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
              > > activity
              > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
              > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
              do
              > > that
              > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              natural
              > > consequences of doing it.
              > >
              > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              now
              > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              > >
              > > Warm regards,
              > > Regan
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: Ted
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > > So you're back with a vengeance
              > > Well I meant a quote.
              > > .
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: masanga@...
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              words of
              > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
              > >> reported
              > >> to have said:
              > >>
              > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              > >> fantasies
              > >> into the pit of destruction."
              > >>
              > >> Regan
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> ----- Original Message -----
              > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> ZetaTalk:
              > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              > >>
              > >> written
              > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: Obama
              > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
              did on
              > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
              in his
              > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
              > >> president, what does it mean for the
              > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
              Zetas
              > >> have
              > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              would
              > >> like
              > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
              and if
              > >> so
              > >> was
              > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              Friday the
              > >> CNN
              > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              "pause"
              > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
              to
              > >> comment.
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
              > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
              heart
              > >> and
              > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
              looked
              > >> older
              > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
              > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
              Yet the
              > >> race
              > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
              him
              > >> loss
              > >> of
              > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              already
              > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
              and
              > >> what
              > >> the
              > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
              did not
              > >> learn
              > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              company
              > >> crimes,
              > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
              and
              > >> the
              > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              planetary
              > >> presence
              > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
              heard
              > >> the
              > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
              to
              > >> him
              > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              confirmation.
              > >> Why would
              > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
              > >> boundaries
              > >> are
              > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
              and
              > >> how
              > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
              > >> decided.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: This
              > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
              in the
              > >> future.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
              is
              > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              Lincoln
              > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              > >> figuratively?
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              recognize
              > >> early
              > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
              he
              > >> was
              > >> a
              > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
              > >> circumstances
              > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
              body
              > >> and
              > >> mind
              > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              conclusion
              > >> that
              > >> they have a new soul within.
              > >>
              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              > >>
              > >> The
              > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              > >>
              > >> Issue 104,
              > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              > >>
              > >> Election
              > >> Results
              > >>
              > >> As predicted by
              > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              state by
              > >> state,
              > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              ended up
              > >> in
              > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
              the
              > >> actual
              > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              > >>
              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              > >>
              > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
              Not
              > >> MOCKED!
              > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------------------------------
            • nathaniel x vance
              Dear masanga, Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                Dear masanga,
                Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                of some kind of powerful medication?
                I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                My sympathy.

                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                >
                > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                Like
                > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                especially
                > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                not
                > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                he
                > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                as the
                > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                powerful
                > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                able to
                > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                perceives
                > them to be.
                >
                > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                probably
                > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                his
                > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                man, I
                > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                in
                > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                of
                > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                that
                > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                saviour
                > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                can
                > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                >
                > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                of the
                > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                problem
                > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                that is
                > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                free-market
                > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                intelligent
                > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                collective
                > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                >
                > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                worshipping
                > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                in
                > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                underlie
                > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                torture, for
                > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                humanity
                > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                Obama and
                > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                identified
                > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                >
                > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                pole
                > shift too.
                >
                > Cheers Ted,
                > Regan
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Ted
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                at
                > times.
                > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                the
                > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                And by
                > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                >
                > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                mae,
                > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                would
                > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                into
                > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                and
                > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                things.
                > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                for
                > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                friends.
                > Good to see you're back.
                > Later...
                > Ted
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: masanga@...
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > > Hi Ted,
                > >
                > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                to get
                > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                eventually
                > > got
                > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                my
                > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                and was
                > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                forum
                > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                of
                > > Barack
                > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                them. The
                > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                joy in
                > > the
                > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                age has
                > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                > > world-historic
                > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                Why
                > > not? I found this puzzling.
                > >
                > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                election
                > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                politicians
                > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                that
                > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                constitutes
                > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                the
                > > whole
                > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                > > Lambremont
                > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                remove
                > > the
                > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                > > myself
                > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                > >
                > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                found no
                > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                from
                > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                whenever I
                > > am
                > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                that
                > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                want to
                > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                may be.
                > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                Zeta -
                > > on
                > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                among us
                > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                So my
                > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                > > fact -
                > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                > > activity
                > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                do
                > > that
                > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                natural
                > > consequences of doing it.
                > >
                > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                now
                > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                > >
                > > Warm regards,
                > > Regan
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Ted
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > > So you're back with a vengeance
                > > Well I meant a quote.
                > > .
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: masanga@...
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                words of
                > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                > >> reported
                > >> to have said:
                > >>
                > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                > >> fantasies
                > >> into the pit of destruction."
                > >>
                > >> Regan
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ----- Original Message -----
                > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ZetaTalk:
                > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                > >>
                > >> written
                > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Obama
                > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                did on
                > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                in his
                > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                > >> president, what does it mean for the
                > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                Zetas
                > >> have
                > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                would
                > >> like
                > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                and if
                > >> so
                > >> was
                > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                Friday the
                > >> CNN
                > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                "pause"
                > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                to
                > >> comment.
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                heart
                > >> and
                > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                looked
                > >> older
                > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                Yet the
                > >> race
                > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                him
                > >> loss
                > >> of
                > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                already
                > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                and
                > >> what
                > >> the
                > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                did not
                > >> learn
                > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                company
                > >> crimes,
                > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                and
                > >> the
                > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                planetary
                > >> presence
                > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                heard
                > >> the
                > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                to
                > >> him
                > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                confirmation.
                > >> Why would
                > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                > >> boundaries
                > >> are
                > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                and
                > >> how
                > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                > >> decided.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: This
                > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                in the
                > >> future.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                is
                > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                Lincoln
                > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                > >> figuratively?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                recognize
                > >> early
                > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                he
                > >> was
                > >> a
                > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                > >> circumstances
                > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                body
                > >> and
                > >> mind
                > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                conclusion
                > >> that
                > >> they have a new soul within.
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                > >>
                > >> The
                > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                > >>
                > >> Issue 104,
                > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                > >>
                > >> Election
                > >> Results
                > >>
                > >> As predicted by
                > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                state by
                > >> state,
                > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                ended up
                > >> in
                > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                the
                > >> actual
                > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                > >>
                > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                Not
                > >> MOCKED!
                > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
                >
              • nathaniel x vance
                Dear masanga, I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of seven.
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                  Dear masanga,
                  I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                  your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                  seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                  crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                  your answer be?
                  Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                  someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                  you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                  UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                  to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                  his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                  would qualify.
                  As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                  level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                  Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Dear Nathaniel,
                  >
                  > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  certain
                  > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                  > wicked...."
                  >
                  > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                  of our
                  > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                  else
                  > in this respect.
                  >
                  > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                  win
                  > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                  >
                  > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                  needing any
                  > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                  "seemingly
                  > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                  seemed to
                  > have a clear run to me.
                  >
                  > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                  >
                  > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                  about
                  > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                  >
                  > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                  praises
                  > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                  asssisted
                  > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                  protected
                  > around the clock 24/7!!"
                  >
                  > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                  > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                  in
                  > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                  > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                  to
                  > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                  > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                  system
                  > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                  the
                  > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                  the
                  > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                  > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                  office
                  > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                  for
                  > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                  >
                  > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                  She is
                  > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                  for the
                  > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                  >
                  > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                  I see
                  > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                  as you
                  > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                  > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                  think she
                  > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                  independent
                  > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                  the
                  > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                  anonymous
                  > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                  sheer
                  > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                  the
                  > terms.
                  >
                  > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                  and
                  > sconld...."
                  >
                  > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                  scold
                  > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                  and
                  > objectively.
                  >
                  > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                  morbid
                  > intransigence...."
                  >
                  > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                  compromise" and
                  > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                  to
                  > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                  what
                  > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                  she
                  > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                  But
                  > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                  >
                  > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                  of
                  > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                  > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                  >
                  > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                  we? Or
                  > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                  > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                  she has
                  > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                  you
                  > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                  can
                  > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                  an
                  > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                  even
                  > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                  It is
                  > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                  to pay
                  > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                  high for
                  > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                  > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                  > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                  > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                  lie the
                  > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                  > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                  >
                  > Regards,
                  > Regan
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > Dear Regan, Ted,
                  > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                  > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                  > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                  > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                  > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                  > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                  this
                  > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                  > 24/7!!
                  > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                  > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                  consciousness
                  > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                  > and sconld.
                  > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                  > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                  or
                  > less!
                  > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                  >
                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                  bitch
                  > at
                  > > times.
                  > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                  > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                  > the
                  > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                  count.
                  > And by
                  > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  > >
                  > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                  FANNIE
                  > mae,
                  > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                  > would
                  > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                  > into
                  > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                  idea,
                  > and
                  > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                  > things.
                  > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                  name
                  > for
                  > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  > friends.
                  > > Good to see you're back.
                  > > Later...
                  > > Ted
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: masanga@
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > > Hi Ted,
                  > > >
                  > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  > to get
                  > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  > eventually
                  > > > got
                  > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                  in
                  > my
                  > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                  > and was
                  > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                  > forum
                  > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                  > of
                  > > > Barack
                  > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                  > them. The
                  > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                  > joy in
                  > > > the
                  > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                  > age has
                  > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  > > > world-historic
                  > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                  here.
                  > Why
                  > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  > > >
                  > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  > election
                  > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  > politicians
                  > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                  > that
                  > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  > constitutes
                  > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                  > the
                  > > > whole
                  > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  > > > Lambremont
                  > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                  > remove
                  > > > the
                  > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                  anything
                  > > > myself
                  > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                  > > >
                  > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  > found no
                  > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                  > from
                  > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  > whenever I
                  > > > am
                  > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                  > that
                  > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                  > want to
                  > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                  > may be.
                  > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                  > Zeta -
                  > > > on
                  > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                  > among us
                  > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                  > So my
                  > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                  in
                  > > > fact -
                  > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                  > > > activity
                  > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                  their
                  > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                  > do
                  > > > that
                  > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  > natural
                  > > > consequences of doing it.
                  > > >
                  > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  > now
                  > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  > > >
                  > > > Warm regards,
                  > > > Regan
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: Ted
                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  > > > Well I meant a quote.
                  > > > .
                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > > From: masanga@
                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                  [11-08-08]
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  > words of
                  > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                  > > >> reported
                  > > >> to have said:
                  > > >>
                  > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  > > >> fantasies
                  > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Regan
                  > > >>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > > >>
                  > > >>
                  > > >>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> ZetaTalk:
                  > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  > > >>
                  > > >> written
                  > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Questioner: Obama
                  > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                  > did on
                  > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                  > in his
                  > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                  new
                  > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                  The
                  > Zetas
                  > > >> have
                  > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                  > would
                  > > >> like
                  > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                  > and if
                  > > >> so
                  > > >> was
                  > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                  > Friday the
                  > > >> CNN
                  > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  > "pause"
                  > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                  declined
                  > to
                  > > >> comment.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                  consensus
                  > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                  > heart
                  > > >> and
                  > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                  Obama
                  > looked
                  > > >> older
                  > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                  > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                  > Yet the
                  > > >> race
                  > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                  causing
                  > him
                  > > >> loss
                  > > >> of
                  > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                  > already
                  > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                  > and
                  > > >> what
                  > > >> the
                  > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                  > did not
                  > > >> learn
                  > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                  > company
                  > > >> crimes,
                  > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                  FBI
                  > and
                  > > >> the
                  > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  > planetary
                  > > >> presence
                  > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                  had
                  > heard
                  > > >> the
                  > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                  relayed
                  > to
                  > > >> him
                  > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  > confirmation.
                  > > >> Why would
                  > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                  > > >> boundaries
                  > > >> are
                  > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                  cover-up,
                  > and
                  > > >> how
                  > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                  been
                  > > >> decided.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Zeta response: This
                  > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                  > in the
                  > > >> future.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                  He
                  > is
                  > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                  > Lincoln
                  > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  > > >> figuratively?
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  > recognize
                  > > >> early
                  > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                  case,
                  > he
                  > > >> was
                  > > >> a
                  > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                  > > >> circumstances
                  > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                  > body
                  > > >> and
                  > > >> mind
                  > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  > conclusion
                  > > >> that
                  > > >> they have a new soul within.
                  > > >>
                  > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> The
                  > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Issue 104,
                  > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  > > >>
                  > > >> Election
                  > > >> Results
                  > > >>
                  > > >> As predicted by
                  > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                  > state by
                  > > >> state,
                  > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                  > ended up
                  > > >> in
                  > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                  > the
                  > > >> actual
                  > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  > > >>
                  > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                  > Not
                  > > >> MOCKED!
                  > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > ------------------------------------
                  >



                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                • masanga@talktalk.net
                  Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                    Nathaniel,

                    The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
                    situation. You are evading the issue.

                    Regan


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: nathaniel x vance
                    To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
                    Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                    Dear masanga,
                    Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                    must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                    rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                    of some kind of powerful medication?
                    I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                    not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                    on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                    shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                    My sympathy.

                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                    Like
                    > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                    especially
                    > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                    not
                    > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                    he
                    > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                    as the
                    > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                    > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                    powerful
                    > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                    able to
                    > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                    perceives
                    > them to be.
                    >
                    > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                    probably
                    > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                    his
                    > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                    man, I
                    > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                    in
                    > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                    > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                    of
                    > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                    > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                    > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                    that
                    > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                    > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                    saviour
                    > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                    can
                    > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                    >
                    > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                    of the
                    > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                    problem
                    > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                    that is
                    > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                    > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                    free-market
                    > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                    intelligent
                    > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                    collective
                    > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                    >
                    > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                    worshipping
                    > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                    in
                    > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                    > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                    > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                    underlie
                    > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                    torture, for
                    > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                    humanity
                    > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                    Obama and
                    > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                    identified
                    > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                    >
                    > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                    pole
                    > shift too.
                    >
                    > Cheers Ted,
                    > Regan
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Ted
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                    at
                    > times.
                    > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                    > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                    the
                    > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                    And by
                    > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    >
                    > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                    mae,
                    > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                    would
                    > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                    into
                    > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                    and
                    > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                    things.
                    > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                    for
                    > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    friends.
                    > Good to see you're back.
                    > Later...
                    > Ted
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: masanga@...
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > > Hi Ted,
                    > >
                    > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    to get
                    > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    eventually
                    > > got
                    > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                    my
                    > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                    and was
                    > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                    forum
                    > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                    of
                    > > Barack
                    > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                    them. The
                    > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                    joy in
                    > > the
                    > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                    age has
                    > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    > > world-historic
                    > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                    Why
                    > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    > >
                    > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    election
                    > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    politicians
                    > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                    that
                    > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    constitutes
                    > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                    the
                    > > whole
                    > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                    > > Lambremont
                    > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                    remove
                    > > the
                    > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                    > > myself
                    > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                    > >
                    > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    found no
                    > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                    from
                    > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    whenever I
                    > > am
                    > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                    that
                    > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                    want to
                    > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                    may be.
                    > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                    Zeta -
                    > > on
                    > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                    among us
                    > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                    So my
                    > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                    > > fact -
                    > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                    > > activity
                    > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                    > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                    do
                    > > that
                    > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    natural
                    > > consequences of doing it.
                    > >
                    > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    now
                    > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    > >
                    > > Warm regards,
                    > > Regan
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: Ted
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    > > Well I meant a quote.
                    > > .
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: masanga@...
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    words of
                    > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                    > >> reported
                    > >> to have said:
                    > >>
                    > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    > >> fantasies
                    > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    > >>
                    > >> Regan
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> ZetaTalk:
                    > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    > >>
                    > >> written
                    > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    > >>
                    > >> Questioner: Obama
                    > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                    did on
                    > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                    in his
                    > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                    > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                    Zetas
                    > >> have
                    > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                    would
                    > >> like
                    > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                    and if
                    > >> so
                    > >> was
                    > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                    Friday the
                    > >> CNN
                    > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    "pause"
                    > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                    > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                    to
                    > >> comment.
                    > >>
                    > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                    > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                    heart
                    > >> and
                    > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                    looked
                    > >> older
                    > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                    > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                    Yet the
                    > >> race
                    > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                    him
                    > >> loss
                    > >> of
                    > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                    already
                    > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                    and
                    > >> what
                    > >> the
                    > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                    did not
                    > >> learn
                    > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                    company
                    > >> crimes,
                    > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                    and
                    > >> the
                    > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    planetary
                    > >> presence
                    > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                    heard
                    > >> the
                    > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                    to
                    > >> him
                    > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    confirmation.
                    > >> Why would
                    > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                    > >> boundaries
                    > >> are
                    > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                    and
                    > >> how
                    > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                    > >> decided.
                    > >>
                    > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    > >>
                    > >> Zeta response: This
                    > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                    in the
                    > >> future.
                    > >>
                    > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                    is
                    > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                    Lincoln
                    > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    > >> figuratively?
                    > >>
                    > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    recognize
                    > >> early
                    > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                    he
                    > >> was
                    > >> a
                    > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                    > >> circumstances
                    > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                    body
                    > >> and
                    > >> mind
                    > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    conclusion
                    > >> that
                    > >> they have a new soul within.
                    > >>
                    > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    > >>
                    > >> The
                    > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    > >>
                    > >> Issue 104,
                    > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    > >>
                    > >> Election
                    > >> Results
                    > >>
                    > >> As predicted by
                    > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                    state by
                    > >> state,
                    > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                    ended up
                    > >> in
                    > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                    the
                    > >> actual
                    > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    > >>
                    > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    > >>
                    > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                    Not
                    > >> MOCKED!
                    > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ------------------------------------
                  • masanga@talktalk.net
                    Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                      Nathaniel,

                      I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
                      mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                      compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                      extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
                      unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
                      and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
                      they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                      automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
                      that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
                      Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
                      come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
                      this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
                      and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                      confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
                      to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
                      down to absolute zero in time.

                      I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
                      from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
                      want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
                      first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
                      that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

                      Sincerely,
                      Regan (masanga)


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: nathaniel x vance
                      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                      Dear masanga,
                      I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                      your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                      seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                      crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                      your answer be?
                      Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                      someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                      you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                      UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                      to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                      his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                      would qualify.
                      As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                      level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                      Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Dear Nathaniel,
                      >
                      > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      certain
                      > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                      > wicked...."
                      >
                      > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                      of our
                      > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                      else
                      > in this respect.
                      >
                      > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                      win
                      > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                      >
                      > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                      needing any
                      > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                      "seemingly
                      > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                      seemed to
                      > have a clear run to me.
                      >
                      > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                      >
                      > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                      about
                      > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                      >
                      > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                      praises
                      > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                      asssisted
                      > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                      protected
                      > around the clock 24/7!!"
                      >
                      > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                      > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                      in
                      > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                      > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                      to
                      > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                      > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                      system
                      > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                      the
                      > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                      the
                      > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                      > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                      office
                      > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                      for
                      > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                      >
                      > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                      She is
                      > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                      for the
                      > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                      >
                      > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                      I see
                      > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                      as you
                      > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                      > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                      think she
                      > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                      independent
                      > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                      the
                      > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                      anonymous
                      > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                      sheer
                      > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                      the
                      > terms.
                      >
                      > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                      and
                      > sconld...."
                      >
                      > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                      scold
                      > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                      and
                      > objectively.
                      >
                      > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                      morbid
                      > intransigence...."
                      >
                      > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                      compromise" and
                      > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                      to
                      > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                      what
                      > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                      she
                      > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                      But
                      > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                      >
                      > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                      of
                      > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                      > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                      >
                      > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                      we? Or
                      > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                      > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                      she has
                      > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                      you
                      > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                      can
                      > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                      an
                      > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                      even
                      > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                      It is
                      > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                      to pay
                      > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                      high for
                      > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                      > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                      > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                      > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                      lie the
                      > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                      > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                      >
                      > Regards,
                      > Regan
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: nathaniel x vance
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > Dear Regan, Ted,
                      > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                      > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                      > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                      > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                      > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                      > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                      this
                      > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                      > 24/7!!
                      > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                      > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                      consciousness
                      > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                      > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                      > and sconld.
                      > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                      > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                      or
                      > less!
                      > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                      >
                      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                      bitch
                      > at
                      > > times.
                      > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                      > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                      > the
                      > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                      count.
                      > And by
                      > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      > >
                      > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                      FANNIE
                      > mae,
                      > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                      > would
                      > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                      > into
                      > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                      idea,
                      > and
                      > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                      > things.
                      > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                      name
                      > for
                      > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      > friends.
                      > > Good to see you're back.
                      > > Later...
                      > > Ted
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: masanga@
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > > Hi Ted,
                      > > >
                      > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      > to get
                      > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      > eventually
                      > > > got
                      > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                      in
                      > my
                      > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                      > and was
                      > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                      > forum
                      > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                      > of
                      > > > Barack
                      > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                      > them. The
                      > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                      > joy in
                      > > > the
                      > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                      > age has
                      > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      > > > world-historic
                      > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                      here.
                      > Why
                      > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      > > >
                      > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      > election
                      > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      > politicians
                      > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                      > that
                      > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      > constitutes
                      > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                      > the
                      > > > whole
                      > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                      > > > Lambremont
                      > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                      > remove
                      > > > the
                      > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                      anything
                      > > > myself
                      > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                      > > >
                      > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      > found no
                      > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                      > from
                      > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      > whenever I
                      > > > am
                      > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                      > that
                      > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                      > want to
                      > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                      > may be.
                      > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                      > Zeta -
                      > > > on
                      > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                      > among us
                      > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                      > So my
                      > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                      in
                      > > > fact -
                      > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                      > > > activity
                      > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                      their
                      > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                      > do
                      > > > that
                      > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      > natural
                      > > > consequences of doing it.
                      > > >
                      > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      > now
                      > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      > > >
                      > > > Warm regards,
                      > > > Regan
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > From: Ted
                      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      > > > Well I meant a quote.
                      > > > .
                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > > From: masanga@
                      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                      [11-08-08]
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      > words of
                      > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                      > > >> reported
                      > > >> to have said:
                      > > >>
                      > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      > > >> fantasies
                      > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      > > >>
                      > > >> Regan
                      > > >>
                      > > >>
                      > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > > >>
                      > > >>
                      > > >>
                      > > >>
                      > > >> ZetaTalk:
                      > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      > > >>
                      > > >> written
                      > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      > > >>
                      > > >> Questioner: Obama
                      > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                      > did on
                      > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                      > in his
                      > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                      new
                      > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                      The
                      > Zetas
                      > > >> have
                      > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                      > would
                      > > >> like
                      > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                      > and if
                      > > >> so
                      > > >> was
                      > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                      > Friday the
                      > > >> CNN
                      > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      > "pause"
                      > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                      > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                      declined
                      > to
                      > > >> comment.
                      > > >>
                      > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                      consensus
                      > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                      > heart
                      > > >> and
                      > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                      Obama
                      > looked
                      > > >> older
                      > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                      > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                      > Yet the
                      > > >> race
                      > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                      causing
                      > him
                      > > >> loss
                      > > >> of
                      > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                      > already
                      > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                      > and
                      > > >> what
                      > > >> the
                      > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                      > did not
                      > > >> learn
                      > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                      > company
                      > > >> crimes,
                      > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                      FBI
                      > and
                      > > >> the
                      > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      > planetary
                      > > >> presence
                      > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                      had
                      > heard
                      > > >> the
                      > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                      relayed
                      > to
                      > > >> him
                      > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      > confirmation.
                      > > >> Why would
                      > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                      > > >> boundaries
                      > > >> are
                      > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                      cover-up,
                      > and
                      > > >> how
                      > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                      been
                      > > >> decided.
                      > > >>
                      > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      > > >>
                      > > >> Zeta response: This
                      > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                      > in the
                      > > >> future.
                      > > >>
                      > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                      He
                      > is
                      > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                      > Lincoln
                      > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      > > >> figuratively?
                      > > >>
                      > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      > recognize
                      > > >> early
                      > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                      case,
                      > he
                      > > >> was
                      > > >> a
                      > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                      > > >> circumstances
                      > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                      > body
                      > > >> and
                      > > >> mind
                      > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      > conclusion
                      > > >> that
                      > > >> they have a new soul within.
                      > > >>
                      > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      > > >>
                      > > >> The
                      > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      > > >>
                      > > >> Issue 104,
                      > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      > > >>
                      > > >> Election
                      > > >> Results
                      > > >>
                      > > >> As predicted by
                      > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                      > state by
                      > > >> state,
                      > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                      > ended up
                      > > >> in
                      > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                      > the
                      > > >> actual
                      > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      > > >>
                      > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      > > >>
                      > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                      > Not
                      > > >> MOCKED!
                      > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > > ------------------------------------
                    • nathaniel x vance
                      masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
                      Message 10 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                        masanga,
                        Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                        what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                        masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                        you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                        At any rate, I wish you well.

                        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Nathaniel,
                        >
                        > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                        that my
                        > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                        great
                        > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                        > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                        knowledge,
                        > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                        desires,
                        > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                        as
                        > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                        > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                        said
                        > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                        And
                        > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                        children to
                        > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                        for
                        > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                        long
                        > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                        > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                        encouragement
                        > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                        mental age
                        > down to absolute zero in time.
                        >
                        > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                        break
                        > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                        don't
                        > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                        in the
                        > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                        suggest
                        > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                        >
                        > Sincerely,
                        > Regan (masanga)
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > Dear masanga,
                        > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                        > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                        > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                        > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                        would
                        > your answer be?
                        > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                        > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                        Can
                        > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                        a
                        > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                        > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                        Obama,
                        > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                        earth
                        > would qualify.
                        > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                        > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                        > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                        >
                        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Dear Nathaniel,
                        > >
                        > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        > certain
                        > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                        > > wicked...."
                        > >
                        > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                        > of our
                        > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                        anyone
                        > else
                        > > in this respect.
                        > >
                        > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                        would
                        > win
                        > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                        > >
                        > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                        > needing any
                        > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                        > "seemingly
                        > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                        > seemed to
                        > > have a clear run to me.
                        > >
                        > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                        > >
                        > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                        > about
                        > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                        > >
                        > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                        > praises
                        > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                        > asssisted
                        > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                        > protected
                        > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                        > >
                        > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                        > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                        > in
                        > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                        > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                        up
                        > to
                        > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                        is
                        > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                        > system
                        > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                        where
                        > the
                        > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                        > the
                        > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                        "Emperor").
                        > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                        > office
                        > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                        > for
                        > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                        > >
                        > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        > She is
                        > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                        > for the
                        > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                        > >
                        > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                        > I see
                        > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                        > as you
                        > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                        > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                        > think she
                        > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                        > independent
                        > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                        > the
                        > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                        > anonymous
                        > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                        > sheer
                        > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                        > the
                        > > terms.
                        > >
                        > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                        > and
                        > > sconld...."
                        > >
                        > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                        > scold
                        > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                        > and
                        > > objectively.
                        > >
                        > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        > morbid
                        > > intransigence...."
                        > >
                        > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                        > compromise" and
                        > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                        us
                        > to
                        > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                        > what
                        > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                        > she
                        > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                        price.
                        > But
                        > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                        > >
                        > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        re-appearance
                        > of
                        > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                        > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        arguments."
                        > >
                        > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                        > we? Or
                        > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                        > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                        > she has
                        > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                        which
                        > you
                        > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                        > can
                        > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                        > an
                        > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                        > even
                        > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                        > It is
                        > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                        > to pay
                        > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                        > high for
                        > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                        > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                        own
                        > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                        > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                        > lie the
                        > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                        > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                        > >
                        > > Regards,
                        > > Regan
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                        > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                        > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                        the
                        > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                        > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                        > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                        be
                        > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                        team
                        > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                        > this
                        > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                        clock
                        > > 24/7!!
                        > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        She
                        > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        > consciousness
                        > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                        rediculed
                        > > and sconld.
                        > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                        > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                        > or
                        > > less!
                        > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                        arguments.
                        > >
                        > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                        > bitch
                        > > at
                        > > > times.
                        > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                        me.
                        > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                        slightest,
                        > > the
                        > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                        > count.
                        > > And by
                        > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        > > >
                        > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                        > FANNIE
                        > > mae,
                        > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                        > > would
                        > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                        money
                        > > into
                        > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                        > idea,
                        > > and
                        > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                        > > things.
                        > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                        > name
                        > > for
                        > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        > > friends.
                        > > > Good to see you're back.
                        > > > Later...
                        > > > Ted
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: masanga@
                        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > > Hi Ted,
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        > > to get
                        > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        > > eventually
                        > > > > got
                        > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                        me
                        > in
                        > > my
                        > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                        days
                        > > and was
                        > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                        > > forum
                        > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                        election
                        > > of
                        > > > > Barack
                        > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                        > > them. The
                        > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                        of
                        > > joy in
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                        new
                        > > age has
                        > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        > > > > world-historic
                        > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                        > here.
                        > > Why
                        > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        > > election
                        > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        > > politicians
                        > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                        view
                        > > that
                        > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        > > constitutes
                        > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                        > > the
                        > > > > whole
                        > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                        > > > > Lambremont
                        > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                        to
                        > > remove
                        > > > > the
                        > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                        > anything
                        > > > > myself
                        > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                        either.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        > > found no
                        > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                        myself
                        > > from
                        > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        > > whenever I
                        > > > > am
                        > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                        > > that
                        > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                        don't
                        > > want to
                        > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                        spectacle
                        > > may be.
                        > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                        the
                        > > Zeta -
                        > > > > on
                        > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                        those
                        > > among us
                        > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                        it.
                        > > So my
                        > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                        warning
                        > in
                        > > > > fact -
                        > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                        cult-building
                        > > > > activity
                        > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                        > their
                        > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                        to
                        > > do
                        > > > > that
                        > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        > > natural
                        > > > > consequences of doing it.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        > > now
                        > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Warm regards,
                        > > > > Regan
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > From: Ted
                        > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > [11-08-08]
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                        > > > > .
                        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > > From: masanga@
                        > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        > [11-08-08]
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        > > words of
                        > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                        is
                        > > > >> reported
                        > > > >> to have said:
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        > > > >> fantasies
                        > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Regan
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                        > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> written
                        > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                        > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                        he
                        > > did on
                        > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                        out
                        > > in his
                        > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                        > new
                        > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                        > The
                        > > Zetas
                        > > > >> have
                        > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                        > > would
                        > > > >> like
                        > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                        X,
                        > > and if
                        > > > >> so
                        > > > >> was
                        > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                        > > Friday the
                        > > > >> CNN
                        > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        > > "pause"
                        > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                        > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                        > declined
                        > > to
                        > > > >> comment.
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                        > consensus
                        > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                        his
                        > > heart
                        > > > >> and
                        > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                        > Obama
                        > > looked
                        > > > >> older
                        > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                        the
                        > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                        candidacy.
                        > > Yet the
                        > > > >> race
                        > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                        > causing
                        > > him
                        > > > >> loss
                        > > > >> of
                        > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                        > > already
                        > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                        world
                        > > and
                        > > > >> what
                        > > > >> the
                        > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                        also
                        > > did not
                        > > > >> learn
                        > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                        > > company
                        > > > >> crimes,
                        > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                        > FBI
                        > > and
                        > > > >> the
                        > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        > > planetary
                        > > > >> presence
                        > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                        > had
                        > > heard
                        > > > >> the
                        > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                        > relayed
                        > > to
                        > > > >> him
                        > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        > > confirmation.
                        > > > >> Why would
                        > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                        US
                        > > > >> boundaries
                        > > > >> are
                        > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                        > cover-up,
                        > > and
                        > > > >> how
                        > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                        > been
                        > > > >> decided.
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Zeta response: This
                        > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                        options
                        > > in the
                        > > > >> future.
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                        beliefs?
                        > He
                        > > is
                        > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                        > > Lincoln
                        > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                        > > > >> figuratively?
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                        > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        > > recognize
                        > > > >> early
                        > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                        > case,
                        > > he
                        > > > >> was
                        > > > >> a
                        > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                        life
                        > > > >> circumstances
                        > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                        human
                        > > body
                        > > > >> and
                        > > > >> mind
                        > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        > > conclusion
                        > > > >> that
                        > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> The
                        > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Issue 104,
                        > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> Election
                        > > > >> Results
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> As predicted by
                        > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                        > > state by
                        > > > >> state,
                        > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                        > > ended up
                        > > > >> in
                        > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                        to
                        > > the
                        > > > >> actual
                        > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        > > > >>
                        > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                        is
                        > > Not
                        > > > >> MOCKED!
                        > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        > > > >
                        > > > >
                        > > > > ------------------------------------
                        >
                      • masanga@talktalk.net
                        Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                          Nathaniel,

                          Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

                          You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                          Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
                          me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                          whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                          multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                          must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                          only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

                          Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                          commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                          acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                          view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
                          can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

                          But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                          know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
                          it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
                          me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                          business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                          commission without concerning myself with his too.

                          Regan (masanga)


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: nathaniel x vance
                          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                          Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                          masanga,
                          Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                          what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                          masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                          you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                          At any rate, I wish you well.

                          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Nathaniel,
                          >
                          > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                          that my
                          > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                          great
                          > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                          > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                          knowledge,
                          > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                          desires,
                          > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                          as
                          > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                          > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                          said
                          > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                          And
                          > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                          children to
                          > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                          for
                          > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                          long
                          > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                          > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                          encouragement
                          > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                          mental age
                          > down to absolute zero in time.
                          >
                          > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                          break
                          > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                          don't
                          > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                          in the
                          > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                          suggest
                          > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                          >
                          > Sincerely,
                          > Regan (masanga)
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > Dear masanga,
                          > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                          > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                          > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                          > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                          would
                          > your answer be?
                          > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                          > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                          Can
                          > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                          a
                          > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                          > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                          Obama,
                          > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                          earth
                          > would qualify.
                          > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                          > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                          > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                          >
                          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Dear Nathaniel,
                          > >
                          > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          > certain
                          > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                          > > wicked...."
                          > >
                          > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                          > of our
                          > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                          anyone
                          > else
                          > > in this respect.
                          > >
                          > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                          would
                          > win
                          > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                          > >
                          > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                          > needing any
                          > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                          > "seemingly
                          > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                          > seemed to
                          > > have a clear run to me.
                          > >
                          > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                          > >
                          > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                          > about
                          > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                          > >
                          > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                          > praises
                          > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                          > asssisted
                          > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                          > protected
                          > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                          > >
                          > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                          > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                          > in
                          > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                          > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                          up
                          > to
                          > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                          is
                          > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                          > system
                          > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                          where
                          > the
                          > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                          > the
                          > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                          "Emperor").
                          > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                          > office
                          > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                          > for
                          > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                          > >
                          > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          > She is
                          > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                          > for the
                          > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                          > >
                          > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                          > I see
                          > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                          > as you
                          > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                          > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                          > think she
                          > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                          > independent
                          > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                          > the
                          > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                          > anonymous
                          > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                          > sheer
                          > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                          > the
                          > > terms.
                          > >
                          > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                          > and
                          > > sconld...."
                          > >
                          > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                          > scold
                          > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                          > and
                          > > objectively.
                          > >
                          > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                          > morbid
                          > > intransigence...."
                          > >
                          > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                          > compromise" and
                          > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                          us
                          > to
                          > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                          > what
                          > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                          > she
                          > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                          price.
                          > But
                          > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                          > >
                          > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          re-appearance
                          > of
                          > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                          > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          arguments."
                          > >
                          > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                          > we? Or
                          > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                          > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                          > she has
                          > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                          which
                          > you
                          > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                          > can
                          > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                          > an
                          > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                          > even
                          > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                          > It is
                          > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                          > to pay
                          > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                          > high for
                          > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                          > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                          own
                          > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                          > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                          > lie the
                          > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                          > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                          > >
                          > > Regards,
                          > > Regan
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                          > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                          > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                          the
                          > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                          > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                          > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                          be
                          > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                          team
                          > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                          > this
                          > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                          clock
                          > > 24/7!!
                          > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          She
                          > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                          > consciousness
                          > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                          > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                          rediculed
                          > > and sconld.
                          > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                          > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                          > or
                          > > less!
                          > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          arguments.
                          > >
                          > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                          > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                          > bitch
                          > > at
                          > > > times.
                          > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                          me.
                          > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                          slightest,
                          > > the
                          > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                          > count.
                          > > And by
                          > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                          > > >
                          > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                          > FANNIE
                          > > mae,
                          > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                          > > would
                          > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                          money
                          > > into
                          > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                          > idea,
                          > > and
                          > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                          > > things.
                          > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                          > name
                          > > for
                          > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                          > > friends.
                          > > > Good to see you're back.
                          > > > Later...
                          > > > Ted
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: masanga@
                          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          [11-08-08]
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > Hi Ted,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                          > > to get
                          > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                          > > eventually
                          > > > > got
                          > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                          me
                          > in
                          > > my
                          > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                          days
                          > > and was
                          > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                          > > forum
                          > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                          election
                          > > of
                          > > > > Barack
                          > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                          > > them. The
                          > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                          of
                          > > joy in
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                          new
                          > > age has
                          > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                          > > > > world-historic
                          > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                          > here.
                          > > Why
                          > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                          > > election
                          > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                          > > politicians
                          > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                          view
                          > > that
                          > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                          > > constitutes
                          > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                          > > the
                          > > > > whole
                          > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                          > > > > Lambremont
                          > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                          to
                          > > remove
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                          > anything
                          > > > > myself
                          > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                          either.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                          > > found no
                          > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                          myself
                          > > from
                          > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                          > > whenever I
                          > > > > am
                          > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                          > > that
                          > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                          don't
                          > > want to
                          > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                          spectacle
                          > > may be.
                          > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                          the
                          > > Zeta -
                          > > > > on
                          > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                          those
                          > > among us
                          > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                          it.
                          > > So my
                          > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                          warning
                          > in
                          > > > > fact -
                          > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                          cult-building
                          > > > > activity
                          > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                          > their
                          > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                          to
                          > > do
                          > > > > that
                          > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                          > > natural
                          > > > > consequences of doing it.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                          > > now
                          > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Warm regards,
                          > > > > Regan
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > From: Ted
                          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > [11-08-08]
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                          > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                          > > > > .
                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > From: masanga@
                          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > [11-08-08]
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                          > > words of
                          > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                          is
                          > > > >> reported
                          > > > >> to have said:
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                          > > > >> fantasies
                          > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Regan
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                          > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                          > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> written
                          > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                          > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                          he
                          > > did on
                          > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                          out
                          > > in his
                          > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                          > new
                          > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                          > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                          > The
                          > > Zetas
                          > > > >> have
                          > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                          > > would
                          > > > >> like
                          > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                          > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                          X,
                          > > and if
                          > > > >> so
                          > > > >> was
                          > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                          > > Friday the
                          > > > >> CNN
                          > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                          > > "pause"
                          > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                          > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                          > declined
                          > > to
                          > > > >> comment.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                          > consensus
                          > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                          his
                          > > heart
                          > > > >> and
                          > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                          > Obama
                          > > looked
                          > > > >> older
                          > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                          the
                          > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                          candidacy.
                          > > Yet the
                          > > > >> race
                          > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                          > causing
                          > > him
                          > > > >> loss
                          > > > >> of
                          > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                          > > already
                          > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                          world
                          > > and
                          > > > >> what
                          > > > >> the
                          > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                          also
                          > > did not
                          > > > >> learn
                          > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                          > > company
                          > > > >> crimes,
                          > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                          > FBI
                          > > and
                          > > > >> the
                          > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                          > > planetary
                          > > > >> presence
                          > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                          > had
                          > > heard
                          > > > >> the
                          > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                          > relayed
                          > > to
                          > > > >> him
                          > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                          > > confirmation.
                          > > > >> Why would
                          > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                          US
                          > > > >> boundaries
                          > > > >> are
                          > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                          > cover-up,
                          > > and
                          > > > >> how
                          > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                          > been
                          > > > >> decided.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                          > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Zeta response: This
                          > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                          options
                          > > in the
                          > > > >> future.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                          > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                          beliefs?
                          > He
                          > > is
                          > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                          > > Lincoln
                          > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                          > > > >> figuratively?
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                          > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                          > > recognize
                          > > > >> early
                          > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                          > case,
                          > > he
                          > > > >> was
                          > > > >> a
                          > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                          life
                          > > > >> circumstances
                          > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                          human
                          > > body
                          > > > >> and
                          > > > >> mind
                          > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                          > > conclusion
                          > > > >> that
                          > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> The
                          > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Issue 104,
                          > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Election
                          > > > >> Results
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> As predicted by
                          > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                          > > state by
                          > > > >> state,
                          > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                          > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                          > > ended up
                          > > > >> in
                          > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                          to
                          > > the
                          > > > >> actual
                          > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                          > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                          is
                          > > Not
                          > > > >> MOCKED!
                          > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                          > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ------------------------------------
                        • Ted
                          You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his head ... From: To: Sent:
                          Message 12 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                            You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                            head
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: <masanga@...>
                            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                            > Nathaniel,
                            >
                            > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                            >
                            > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                            > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                            > of
                            > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                            > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                            > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                            > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                            > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                            >
                            > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                            > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                            > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                            > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                            > he
                            > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                            >
                            > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                            > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                            > date
                            > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                            > to
                            > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                            > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                            > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                            >
                            > Regan (masanga)
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            > masanga,
                            > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                            > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                            > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                            > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                            > At any rate, I wish you well.
                            >
                            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                            >>
                            >> Nathaniel,
                            >>
                            >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                            > that my
                            >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                            > great
                            >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                            >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                            > knowledge,
                            >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                            > desires,
                            >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                            > as
                            >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                            >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                            > said
                            >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                            > And
                            >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                            > children to
                            >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                            > for
                            >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                            > long
                            >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                            >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                            > encouragement
                            >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                            > mental age
                            >> down to absolute zero in time.
                            >>
                            >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                            > break
                            >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                            > don't
                            >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                            > in the
                            >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                            > suggest
                            >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                            >>
                            >> Sincerely,
                            >> Regan (masanga)
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> ----- Original Message -----
                            >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                            >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> Dear masanga,
                            >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                            >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                            >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                            >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                            > would
                            >> your answer be?
                            >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                            >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                            > Can
                            >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                            > a
                            >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                            >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                            > Obama,
                            >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                            > earth
                            >> would qualify.
                            >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                            >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                            >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                            >>
                            >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                            >> >
                            >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                            >> >
                            >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            >> certain
                            >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                            >> > wicked...."
                            >> >
                            >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                            >> of our
                            >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                            > anyone
                            >> else
                            >> > in this respect.
                            >> >
                            >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                            > would
                            >> win
                            >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                            >> >
                            >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                            >> needing any
                            >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                            >> "seemingly
                            >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                            >> seemed to
                            >> > have a clear run to me.
                            >> >
                            >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                            >> >
                            >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                            >> about
                            >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                            >> >
                            >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                            >> praises
                            >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                            >> asssisted
                            >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                            >> protected
                            >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                            >> >
                            >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                            >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                            >> in
                            >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                            >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                            > up
                            >> to
                            >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                            > is
                            >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                            >> system
                            >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                            > where
                            >> the
                            >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                            >> the
                            >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                            > "Emperor").
                            >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                            >> office
                            >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                            >> for
                            >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                            >> >
                            >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                            >> She is
                            >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                            >> for the
                            >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                            >> >
                            >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                            >> I see
                            >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                            >> as you
                            >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                            >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                            >> think she
                            >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                            >> independent
                            >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                            >> the
                            >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                            >> anonymous
                            >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                            >> sheer
                            >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                            >> the
                            >> > terms.
                            >> >
                            >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                            >> and
                            >> > sconld...."
                            >> >
                            >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                            >> scold
                            >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                            >> and
                            >> > objectively.
                            >> >
                            >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                            >> morbid
                            >> > intransigence...."
                            >> >
                            >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                            >> compromise" and
                            >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                            > us
                            >> to
                            >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                            >> what
                            >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                            >> she
                            >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                            > price.
                            >> But
                            >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                            >> >
                            >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            > re-appearance
                            >> of
                            >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                            >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            > arguments."
                            >> >
                            >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                            >> we? Or
                            >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                            >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                            >> she has
                            >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                            > which
                            >> you
                            >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                            >> can
                            >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                            >> an
                            >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                            >> even
                            >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                            >> It is
                            >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                            >> to pay
                            >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                            >> high for
                            >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                            >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                            > own
                            >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                            >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                            >> lie the
                            >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                            >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                            >> >
                            >> > Regards,
                            >> > Regan
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >> > ----- Original Message -----
                            >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                            >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                            >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >> >
                            >> >
                            >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                            >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                            > the
                            >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                            >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                            >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                            > be
                            >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                            > team
                            >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                            >> this
                            >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                            > clock
                            >> > 24/7!!
                            >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                            > She
                            >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                            >> consciousness
                            >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                            >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                            > rediculed
                            >> > and sconld.
                            >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                            >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                            >> or
                            >> > less!
                            >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            > arguments.
                            >> >
                            >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                            >> > >
                            >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                            >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                            >> bitch
                            >> > at
                            >> > > times.
                            >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                            > me.
                            >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                            > slightest,
                            >> > the
                            >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                            >> count.
                            >> > And by
                            >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                            >> > >
                            >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                            >> FANNIE
                            >> > mae,
                            >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                            >> > would
                            >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                            > money
                            >> > into
                            >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                            >> idea,
                            >> > and
                            >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                            >> > things.
                            >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                            >> name
                            >> > for
                            >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                            >> > friends.
                            >> > > Good to see you're back.
                            >> > > Later...
                            >> > > Ted
                            >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                            >> > > From: masanga@
                            >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                            >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            > [11-08-08]
                            >> > >
                            >> > >
                            >> > > > Hi Ted,
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                            >> > to get
                            >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                            >> > eventually
                            >> > > > got
                            >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                            > me
                            >> in
                            >> > my
                            >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                            > days
                            >> > and was
                            >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                            >> > forum
                            >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                            > election
                            >> > of
                            >> > > > Barack
                            >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                            >> > them. The
                            >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                            > of
                            >> > joy in
                            >> > > > the
                            >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                            > new
                            >> > age has
                            >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                            >> > > > world-historic
                            >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                            >> here.
                            >> > Why
                            >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                            >> > election
                            >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                            >> > politicians
                            >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                            > view
                            >> > that
                            >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                            >> > constitutes
                            >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                            >> > the
                            >> > > > whole
                            >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                            >> > > > Lambremont
                            >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                            > to
                            >> > remove
                            >> > > > the
                            >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                            >> anything
                            >> > > > myself
                            >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                            > either.
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                            >> > found no
                            >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                            > myself
                            >> > from
                            >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                            >> > whenever I
                            >> > > > am
                            >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                            >> > that
                            >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                            > don't
                            >> > want to
                            >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                            > spectacle
                            >> > may be.
                            >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                            > the
                            >> > Zeta -
                            >> > > > on
                            >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                            > those
                            >> > among us
                            >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                            > it.
                            >> > So my
                            >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                            > warning
                            >> in
                            >> > > > fact -
                            >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                            > cult-building
                            >> > > > activity
                            >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                            >> their
                            >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                            > to
                            >> > do
                            >> > > > that
                            >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                            >> > natural
                            >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                            >> > now
                            >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > > Warm regards,
                            >> > > > Regan
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            >> > > > From: Ted
                            >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                            >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            >> [11-08-08]
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                            >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                            >> > > > .
                            >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            >> > > > From: masanga@
                            >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                            >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            >> [11-08-08]
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                            >> > words of
                            >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                            > is
                            >> > > >> reported
                            >> > > >> to have said:
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                            >> > > >> fantasies
                            >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> Regan
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                            >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                            >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                            >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                            >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> written
                            >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                            >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                            > he
                            >> > did on
                            >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                            > out
                            >> > in his
                            >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                            >> new
                            >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                            >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                            >> The
                            >> > Zetas
                            >> > > >> have
                            >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                            >> > would
                            >> > > >> like
                            >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                            >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                            > X,
                            >> > and if
                            >> > > >> so
                            >> > > >> was
                            >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                            >> > Friday the
                            >> > > >> CNN
                            >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                            >> > "pause"
                            >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                            >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                            >> declined
                            >> > to
                            >> > > >> comment.
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                            >> consensus
                            >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                            > his
                            >> > heart
                            >> > > >> and
                            >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                            >> Obama
                            >> > looked
                            >> > > >> older
                            >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                            > the
                            >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                            > candidacy.
                            >> > Yet the
                            >> > > >> race
                            >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                            >> causing
                            >> > him
                            >> > > >> loss
                            >> > > >> of
                            >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                            >> > already
                            >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                            > world
                            >> > and
                            >> > > >> what
                            >> > > >> the
                            >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                            > also
                            >> > did not
                            >> > > >> learn
                            >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                            >> > company
                            >> > > >> crimes,
                            >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                            >> FBI
                            >> > and
                            >> > > >> the
                            >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                            >> > planetary
                            >> > > >> presence
                            >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                            >> had
                            >> > heard
                            >> > > >> the
                            >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                            >> relayed
                            >> > to
                            >> > > >> him
                            >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                            >> > confirmation.
                            >> > > >> Why would
                            >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                            > US
                            >> > > >> boundaries
                            >> > > >> are
                            >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                            >> cover-up,
                            >> > and
                            >> > > >> how
                            >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                            >> been
                            >> > > >> decided.
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                            >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                            >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                            > options
                            >> > in the
                            >> > > >> future.
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                            >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                            > beliefs?
                            >> He
                            >> > is
                            >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                            >> > Lincoln
                            >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                            >> > > >> figuratively?
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                            >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                            >> > recognize
                            >> > > >> early
                            >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                            >> case,
                            >> > he
                            >> > > >> was
                            >> > > >> a
                            >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                            > life
                            >> > > >> circumstances
                            >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                            > human
                            >> > body
                            >> > > >> and
                            >> > > >> mind
                            >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                            >> > conclusion
                            >> > > >> that
                            >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> The
                            >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> Issue 104,
                            >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> Election
                            >> > > >> Results
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> As predicted by
                            >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                            >> > state by
                            >> > > >> state,
                            >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                            >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                            >> > ended up
                            >> > > >> in
                            >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                            > to
                            >> > the
                            >> > > >> actual
                            >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                            >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                            >> > > >>
                            >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                            > is
                            >> > Not
                            >> > > >> MOCKED!
                            >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                            >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > >
                            >> > > > ------------------------------------
                            >
                            >
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                            >
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                          • masanga@talktalk.net
                            I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
                            Message 13 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                              I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                              But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                              understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                              clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                              appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                              concerned.

                              However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                              obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                              should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Ted
                              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                              You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                              head
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: <masanga@...>
                              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                              > Nathaniel,
                              >
                              > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                              >
                              > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                              > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                              > of
                              > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                              > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                              > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                              > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                              > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                              >
                              > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                              > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                              > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                              > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                              > he
                              > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                              >
                              > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                              > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                              > date
                              > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                              > to
                              > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                              > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                              > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                              >
                              > Regan (masanga)
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >
                              >
                              > masanga,
                              > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                              > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                              > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                              > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                              > At any rate, I wish you well.
                              >
                              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                              >>
                              >> Nathaniel,
                              >>
                              >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                              > that my
                              >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                              > great
                              >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                              >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                              > knowledge,
                              >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                              > desires,
                              >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                              > as
                              >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                              >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                              > said
                              >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                              > And
                              >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                              > children to
                              >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                              > for
                              >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                              > long
                              >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                              >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                              > encouragement
                              >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                              > mental age
                              >> down to absolute zero in time.
                              >>
                              >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                              > break
                              >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                              > don't
                              >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                              > in the
                              >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                              > suggest
                              >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                              >>
                              >> Sincerely,
                              >> Regan (masanga)
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                              >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> Dear masanga,
                              >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                              >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                              >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                              >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                              > would
                              >> your answer be?
                              >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                              >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                              > Can
                              >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                              > a
                              >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                              >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                              > Obama,
                              >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                              > earth
                              >> would qualify.
                              >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                              >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                              >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                              >>
                              >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                              >> >
                              >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                              >> >
                              >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              >> certain
                              >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                              >> > wicked...."
                              >> >
                              >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                              >> of our
                              >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                              > anyone
                              >> else
                              >> > in this respect.
                              >> >
                              >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                              > would
                              >> win
                              >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                              >> >
                              >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                              >> needing any
                              >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                              >> "seemingly
                              >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                              >> seemed to
                              >> > have a clear run to me.
                              >> >
                              >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                              >> >
                              >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                              >> about
                              >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                              >> >
                              >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                              >> praises
                              >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                              >> asssisted
                              >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                              >> protected
                              >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                              >> >
                              >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                              >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                              >> in
                              >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                              >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                              > up
                              >> to
                              >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                              > is
                              >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                              >> system
                              >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                              > where
                              >> the
                              >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                              >> the
                              >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                              > "Emperor").
                              >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                              >> office
                              >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                              >> for
                              >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                              >> >
                              >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                              >> She is
                              >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                              >> for the
                              >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                              >> >
                              >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                              >> I see
                              >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                              >> as you
                              >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                              >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                              >> think she
                              >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                              >> independent
                              >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                              >> the
                              >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                              >> anonymous
                              >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                              >> sheer
                              >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                              >> the
                              >> > terms.
                              >> >
                              >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                              >> and
                              >> > sconld...."
                              >> >
                              >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                              >> scold
                              >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                              >> and
                              >> > objectively.
                              >> >
                              >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              >> morbid
                              >> > intransigence...."
                              >> >
                              >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                              >> compromise" and
                              >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                              > us
                              >> to
                              >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                              >> what
                              >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                              >> she
                              >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                              > price.
                              >> But
                              >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                              >> >
                              >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > re-appearance
                              >> of
                              >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                              >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > arguments."
                              >> >
                              >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                              >> we? Or
                              >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                              >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                              >> she has
                              >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                              > which
                              >> you
                              >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                              >> can
                              >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                              >> an
                              >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                              >> even
                              >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                              >> It is
                              >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                              >> to pay
                              >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                              >> high for
                              >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                              >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                              > own
                              >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                              >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                              >> lie the
                              >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                              >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                              >> >
                              >> > Regards,
                              >> > Regan
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> > ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                              >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                              >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                              >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                              > the
                              >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                              >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                              >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                              > be
                              >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                              > team
                              >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                              >> this
                              >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                              > clock
                              >> > 24/7!!
                              >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                              > She
                              >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              >> consciousness
                              >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                              >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                              > rediculed
                              >> > and sconld.
                              >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                              >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                              >> or
                              >> > less!
                              >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > arguments.
                              >> >
                              >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                              >> > >
                              >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                              >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                              >> bitch
                              >> > at
                              >> > > times.
                              >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                              > me.
                              >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                              > slightest,
                              >> > the
                              >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                              >> count.
                              >> > And by
                              >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                              >> > >
                              >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                              >> FANNIE
                              >> > mae,
                              >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                              >> > would
                              >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                              > money
                              >> > into
                              >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                              >> idea,
                              >> > and
                              >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                              >> > things.
                              >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                              >> name
                              >> > for
                              >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                              >> > friends.
                              >> > > Good to see you're back.
                              >> > > Later...
                              >> > > Ted
                              >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > > From: masanga@
                              >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                              >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > [11-08-08]
                              >> > >
                              >> > >
                              >> > > > Hi Ted,
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                              >> > to get
                              >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                              >> > eventually
                              >> > > > got
                              >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                              > me
                              >> in
                              >> > my
                              >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                              > days
                              >> > and was
                              >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                              >> > forum
                              >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                              > election
                              >> > of
                              >> > > > Barack
                              >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                              >> > them. The
                              >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                              > of
                              >> > joy in
                              >> > > > the
                              >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                              > new
                              >> > age has
                              >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                              >> > > > world-historic
                              >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                              >> here.
                              >> > Why
                              >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                              >> > election
                              >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                              >> > politicians
                              >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                              > view
                              >> > that
                              >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                              >> > constitutes
                              >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                              >> > the
                              >> > > > whole
                              >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                              >> > > > Lambremont
                              >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                              > to
                              >> > remove
                              >> > > > the
                              >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                              >> anything
                              >> > > > myself
                              >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                              > either.
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                              >> > found no
                              >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                              > myself
                              >> > from
                              >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                              >> > whenever I
                              >> > > > am
                              >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                              >> > that
                              >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                              > don't
                              >> > want to
                              >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                              > spectacle
                              >> > may be.
                              >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                              > the
                              >> > Zeta -
                              >> > > > on
                              >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                              > those
                              >> > among us
                              >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                              > it.
                              >> > So my
                              >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                              > warning
                              >> in
                              >> > > > fact -
                              >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                              > cult-building
                              >> > > > activity
                              >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                              >> their
                              >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                              > to
                              >> > do
                              >> > > > that
                              >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                              >> > natural
                              >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                              >> > now
                              >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > Warm regards,
                              >> > > > Regan
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > > > From: Ted
                              >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                              >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              >> [11-08-08]
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                              >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                              >> > > > .
                              >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > > > From: masanga@
                              >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                              >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              >> [11-08-08]
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                              >> > words of
                              >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                              > is
                              >> > > >> reported
                              >> > > >> to have said:
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                              >> > > >> fantasies
                              >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Regan
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                              >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                              >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> written
                              >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                              >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                              > he
                              >> > did on
                              >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                              > out
                              >> > in his
                              >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                              >> new
                              >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                              >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                              >> The
                              >> > Zetas
                              >> > > >> have
                              >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                              >> > would
                              >> > > >> like
                              >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                              >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                              > X,
                              >> > and if
                              >> > > >> so
                              >> > > >> was
                              >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                              >> > Friday the
                              >> > > >> CNN
                              >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                              >> > "pause"
                              >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                              >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                              >> declined
                              >> > to
                              >> > > >> comment.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                              >> consensus
                              >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                              > his
                              >> > heart
                              >> > > >> and
                              >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                              >> Obama
                              >> > looked
                              >> > > >> older
                              >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                              > the
                              >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                              > candidacy.
                              >> > Yet the
                              >> > > >> race
                              >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                              >> causing
                              >> > him
                              >> > > >> loss
                              >> > > >> of
                              >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                              >> > already
                              >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                              > world
                              >> > and
                              >> > > >> what
                              >> > > >> the
                              >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                              > also
                              >> > did not
                              >> > > >> learn
                              >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                              >> > company
                              >> > > >> crimes,
                              >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                              >> FBI
                              >> > and
                              >> > > >> the
                              >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                              >> > planetary
                              >> > > >> presence
                              >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                              >> had
                              >> > heard
                              >> > > >> the
                              >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                              >> relayed
                              >> > to
                              >> > > >> him
                              >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                              >> > confirmation.
                              >> > > >> Why would
                              >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                              > US
                              >> > > >> boundaries
                              >> > > >> are
                              >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                              >> cover-up,
                              >> > and
                              >> > > >> how
                              >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                              >> been
                              >> > > >> decided.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                              >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                              >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                              > options
                              >> > in the
                              >> > > >> future.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                              >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                              > beliefs?
                              >> He
                              >> > is
                              >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                              >> > Lincoln
                              >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                              >> > > >> figuratively?
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                              >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                              >> > recognize
                              >> > > >> early
                              >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                              >> case,
                              >> > he
                              >> > > >> was
                              >> > > >> a
                              >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                              > life
                              >> > > >> circumstances
                              >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                              > human
                              >> > body
                              >> > > >> and
                              >> > > >> mind
                              >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                              >> > conclusion
                              >> > > >> that
                              >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> The
                              >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Issue 104,
                              >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Election
                              >> > > >> Results
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> As predicted by
                              >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                              >> > state by
                              >> > > >> state,
                              >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                              >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                              >> > ended up
                              >> > > >> in
                              >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                              > to
                              >> > the
                              >> > > >> actual
                              >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                              >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                              > is
                              >> > Not
                              >> > > >> MOCKED!
                              >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                              >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > ------------------------------------
                            • Ted
                              Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
                              Message 14 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                                Nancy's groupies.
                                He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                                Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                                wearing no close
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: <masanga@...>
                                To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                                >
                                > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                                > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                                > be
                                > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                                > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                                > concerned.
                                >
                                > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                                > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                                > he
                                > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Ted
                                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >
                                >
                                > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                                > his
                                > head
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: <masanga@...>
                                > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >
                                >
                                >> Nathaniel,
                                >>
                                >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                >>
                                >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                >> of
                                >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                >> have
                                >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                >>
                                >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                                >> my
                                >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                >> he
                                >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                >>
                                >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                >> date
                                >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                >> to
                                >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                >>
                                >> Regan (masanga)
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> ----- Original Message -----
                                >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> masanga,
                                >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                                >>
                                >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                >>>
                                >>> Nathaniel,
                                >>>
                                >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                >> that my
                                >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                >> great
                                >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                >> knowledge,
                                >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                >> desires,
                                >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                >> as
                                >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                >> said
                                >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                >> And
                                >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                >> children to
                                >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                >> for
                                >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                >> long
                                >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                >> encouragement
                                >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                >> mental age
                                >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                                >>>
                                >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                >> break
                                >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                >> don't
                                >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                >> in the
                                >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                >> suggest
                                >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                >>>
                                >>> Sincerely,
                                >>> Regan (masanga)
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                                >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Dear masanga,
                                >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                >> would
                                >>> your answer be?
                                >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                >> Can
                                >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                >> a
                                >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                >> Obama,
                                >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                >> earth
                                >>> would qualify.
                                >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                >>>
                                >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                >>> >
                                >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                >>> >
                                >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                >>> certain
                                >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                >>> > wicked...."
                                >>> >
                                >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                >>> of our
                                >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                >> anyone
                                >>> else
                                >>> > in this respect.
                                >>> >
                                >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                >> would
                                >>> win
                                >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                >>> >
                                >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                >>> needing any
                                >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                >>> "seemingly
                                >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                >>> seemed to
                                >>> > have a clear run to me.
                                >>> >
                                >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                >>> >
                                >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                >>> about
                                >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                >>> >
                                >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                >>> praises
                                >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                >>> asssisted
                                >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                >>> protected
                                >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                >>> >
                                >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                >>> in
                                >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                >> up
                                >>> to
                                >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                >> is
                                >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                >>> system
                                >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                >> where
                                >>> the
                                >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                >>> the
                                >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                >> "Emperor").
                                >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                >>> office
                                >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                >>> for
                                >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                >>> >
                                >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                >>> She is
                                >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                >>> for the
                                >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                >>> >
                                >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                >>> I see
                                >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                >>> as you
                                >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                >>> think she
                                >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                >>> independent
                                >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                >>> the
                                >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                >>> anonymous
                                >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                >>> sheer
                                >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                >>> the
                                >>> > terms.
                                >>> >
                                >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                >>> and
                                >>> > sconld...."
                                >>> >
                                >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                >>> scold
                                >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                >>> and
                                >>> > objectively.
                                >>> >
                                >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                >>> morbid
                                >>> > intransigence...."
                                >>> >
                                >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                >>> compromise" and
                                >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                >> us
                                >>> to
                                >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                >>> what
                                >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                >>> she
                                >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                >> price.
                                >>> But
                                >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                >>> >
                                >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                >> re-appearance
                                >>> of
                                >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                >> arguments."
                                >>> >
                                >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                >>> we? Or
                                >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                >>> she has
                                >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                >> which
                                >>> you
                                >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                >>> can
                                >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                >>> an
                                >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                >>> even
                                >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                >>> It is
                                >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                >>> to pay
                                >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                >>> high for
                                >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                >> own
                                >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                >>> lie the
                                >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                >>> >
                                >>> > Regards,
                                >>> > Regan
                                >>> >
                                >>> >
                                >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                                >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >>> >
                                >>> >
                                >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                >> the
                                >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                >> be
                                >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                >> team
                                >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                >>> this
                                >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                >> clock
                                >>> > 24/7!!
                                >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                >> She
                                >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                >>> consciousness
                                >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                >> rediculed
                                >>> > and sconld.
                                >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                >>> or
                                >>> > less!
                                >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                >> arguments.
                                >>> >
                                >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                >>> > >
                                >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                >>> bitch
                                >>> > at
                                >>> > > times.
                                >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                >> me.
                                >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                >> slightest,
                                >>> > the
                                >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                >>> count.
                                >>> > And by
                                >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                >>> > >
                                >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                >>> FANNIE
                                >>> > mae,
                                >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                >>> > would
                                >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                >> money
                                >>> > into
                                >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                >>> idea,
                                >>> > and
                                >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                >>> > things.
                                >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                >>> name
                                >>> > for
                                >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                >>> > friends.
                                >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                                >>> > > Later...
                                >>> > > Ted
                                >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >>> > > From: masanga@
                                >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                >> [11-08-08]
                                >>> > >
                                >>> > >
                                >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                >>> > to get
                                >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                >>> > eventually
                                >>> > > > got
                                >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                >> me
                                >>> in
                                >>> > my
                                >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                >> days
                                >>> > and was
                                >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                >>> > forum
                                >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                >> election
                                >>> > of
                                >>> > > > Barack
                                >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                >>> > them. The
                                >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                >> of
                                >>> > joy in
                                >>> > > > the
                                >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                >> new
                                >>> > age has
                                >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                >>> > > > world-historic
                                >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                >>> here.
                                >>> > Why
                                >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                >>> > election
                                >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                >>> > politicians
                                >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                >> view
                                >>> > that
                                >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                >>> > constitutes
                                >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                >>> > the
                                >>> > > > whole
                                >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                >>> > > > Lambremont
                                >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                >> to
                                >>> > remove
                                >>> > > > the
                                >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                >>> anything
                                >>> > > > myself
                                >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                >> either.
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                >>> > found no
                                >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                >> myself
                                >>> > from
                                >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                >>> > whenever I
                                >>> > > > am
                                >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                >>> > that
                                >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                >> don't
                                >>> > want to
                                >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                >> spectacle
                                >>> > may be.
                                >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                >> the
                                >>> > Zeta -
                                >>> > > > on
                                >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                >> those
                                >>> > among us
                                >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                >> it.
                                >>> > So my
                                >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                >> warning
                                >>> in
                                >>> > > > fact -
                                >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                >> cult-building
                                >>> > > > activity
                                >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                >>> their
                                >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                >> to
                                >>> > do
                                >>> > > > that
                                >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                >>> > natural
                                >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                >>> > now
                                >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > > Warm regards,
                                >>> > > > Regan
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >>> > > > From: Ted
                                >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                >>> [11-08-08]
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                >>> > > > .
                                >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >>> > > > From: masanga@
                                >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                >>> [11-08-08]
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                >>> > words of
                                >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                >> is
                                >>> > > >> reported
                                >>> > > >> to have said:
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                >>> > > >> fantasies
                                >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> Regan
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> written
                                >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                >> he
                                >>> > did on
                                >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                >> out
                                >>> > in his
                                >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                >>> new
                                >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                >>> The
                                >>> > Zetas
                                >>> > > >> have
                                >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                >>> > would
                                >>> > > >> like
                                >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                >> X,
                                >>> > and if
                                >>> > > >> so
                                >>> > > >> was
                                >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                >>> > Friday the
                                >>> > > >> CNN
                                >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                >>> > "pause"
                                >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                >>> declined
                                >>> > to
                                >>> > > >> comment.
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                >>> consensus
                                >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                >> his
                                >>> > heart
                                >>> > > >> and
                                >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                >>> Obama
                                >>> > looked
                                >>> > > >> older
                                >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                >> the
                                >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                >> candidacy.
                                >>> > Yet the
                                >>> > > >> race
                                >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                >>> causing
                                >>> > him
                                >>> > > >> loss
                                >>> > > >> of
                                >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                >>> > already
                                >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                >> world
                                >>> > and
                                >>> > > >> what
                                >>> > > >> the
                                >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                >> also
                                >>> > did not
                                >>> > > >> learn
                                >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                >>> > company
                                >>> > > >> crimes,
                                >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                >>> FBI
                                >>> > and
                                >>> > > >> the
                                >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                >>> > planetary
                                >>> > > >> presence
                                >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                >>> had
                                >>> > heard
                                >>> > > >> the
                                >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                >>> relayed
                                >>> > to
                                >>> > > >> him
                                >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                >>> > confirmation.
                                >>> > > >> Why would
                                >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                >> US
                                >>> > > >> boundaries
                                >>> > > >> are
                                >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                >>> cover-up,
                                >>> > and
                                >>> > > >> how
                                >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                >>> been
                                >>> > > >> decided.
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                >> options
                                >>> > in the
                                >>> > > >> future.
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                >> beliefs?
                                >>> He
                                >>> > is
                                >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                >>> > Lincoln
                                >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                >>> > > >> figuratively?
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                >>> > recognize
                                >>> > > >> early
                                >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                >>> case,
                                >>> > he
                                >>> > > >> was
                                >>> > > >> a
                                >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                >> life
                                >>> > > >> circumstances
                                >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                >> human
                                >>> > body
                                >>> > > >> and
                                >>> > > >> mind
                                >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                >>> > conclusion
                                >>> > > >> that
                                >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> The
                                >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                                >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> Election
                                >>> > > >> Results
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> As predicted by
                                >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                >>> > state by
                                >>> > > >> state,
                                >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                >>> > ended up
                                >>> > > >> in
                                >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                >> to
                                >>> > the
                                >>> > > >> actual
                                >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                >>> > > >>
                                >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                >> is
                                >>> > Not
                                >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                                >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > >
                                >>> > > > ------------------------------------
                                >
                                >
                                > ------------------------------------
                                >
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                                >
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                                >
                              • nathaniel x vance
                                Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
                                Message 15 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                  Dear Brother masanga,
                                  Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                  and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                  you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                  rebellion out in me.
                                  Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                  COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                  like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                  higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                  help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                  renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                  higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                  co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                  Please pardon me.

                                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Nathaniel,
                                  >
                                  > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                  >
                                  > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                  about
                                  > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                  know of
                                  > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                  > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                  > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                  universe, I
                                  > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                  have
                                  > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                  >
                                  > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                  divine
                                  > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                  > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                  in my
                                  > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                  that he
                                  > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                  >
                                  > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                  presume to
                                  > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                  date
                                  > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                  mystery to
                                  > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                  > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                  divine
                                  > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                  >
                                  > Regan (masanga)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > masanga,
                                  > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                  > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                  > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                  > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                  > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                  >
                                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Nathaniel,
                                  > >
                                  > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                  > that my
                                  > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                  > great
                                  > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                  > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                  > knowledge,
                                  > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                  > desires,
                                  > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                  things
                                  > as
                                  > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                  will
                                  > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                  > said
                                  > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                  > And
                                  > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                  > children to
                                  > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                  you
                                  > for
                                  > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                  worked
                                  > long
                                  > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                  both
                                  > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                  > encouragement
                                  > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                  > mental age
                                  > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                  > >
                                  > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                  > break
                                  > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                  > don't
                                  > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                  me
                                  > in the
                                  > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                  > suggest
                                  > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                  up.
                                  > >
                                  > > Sincerely,
                                  > > Regan (masanga)
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                  > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Dear masanga,
                                  > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                  answer
                                  > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                  > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                  our
                                  > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                  > would
                                  > > your answer be?
                                  > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                  before
                                  > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                  > Can
                                  > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                  see
                                  > a
                                  > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                  details
                                  > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                  > Obama,
                                  > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                  > earth
                                  > > would qualify.
                                  > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                  > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                  > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                  a
                                  > > certain
                                  > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                  greedy
                                  > > > wicked...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                  > > of our
                                  > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                  > anyone
                                  > > else
                                  > > > in this respect.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                  > would
                                  > > win
                                  > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                  > > needing any
                                  > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                  > > "seemingly
                                  > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                  > > seemed to
                                  > > > have a clear run to me.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                  > > about
                                  > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                  > > praises
                                  > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                  > > asssisted
                                  > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                  > > protected
                                  > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                  > > >
                                  > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                  > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                  really
                                  > > in
                                  > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                  dominance?
                                  > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                  > up
                                  > > to
                                  > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                  > is
                                  > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                  a
                                  > > system
                                  > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                  > where
                                  > > the
                                  > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                  become
                                  > > the
                                  > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                  > "Emperor").
                                  > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                  > > office
                                  > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                  credit
                                  > > for
                                  > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                  me.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                  cult!
                                  > > She is
                                  > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                  consciousness
                                  > > for the
                                  > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                  > > I see
                                  > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                  be
                                  > > as you
                                  > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                  for
                                  > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                  > > think she
                                  > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                  > > independent
                                  > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                  asserting
                                  > > the
                                  > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                  > > anonymous
                                  > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                  on
                                  > > sheer
                                  > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                  of
                                  > > the
                                  > > > terms.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                  rediculed
                                  > > and
                                  > > > sconld...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                  > > scold
                                  > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                  impartially
                                  > > and
                                  > > > objectively.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                  > > morbid
                                  > > > intransigence...."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                  > > compromise" and
                                  > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                  > us
                                  > > to
                                  > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                  wonder
                                  > > what
                                  > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                  > > she
                                  > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                  > price.
                                  > > But
                                  > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                  ours.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  > re-appearance
                                  > > of
                                  > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                  > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  > arguments."
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                  > > we? Or
                                  > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                  absurd
                                  > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                  which
                                  > > she has
                                  > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                  > which
                                  > > you
                                  > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                  she
                                  > > can
                                  > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                  into
                                  > > an
                                  > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                  > > even
                                  > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                  intelligence?
                                  > > It is
                                  > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                  willing
                                  > > to pay
                                  > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                  > > high for
                                  > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                  "full
                                  > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                  > own
                                  > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                  > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                  a
                                  > > lie the
                                  > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                  > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Regards,
                                  > > > Regan
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                  > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  [11-08-08]
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                  > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                  > the
                                  > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                  that
                                  > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                  against
                                  > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                  should
                                  > be
                                  > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                  > team
                                  > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                  > > this
                                  > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                  > clock
                                  > > > 24/7!!
                                  > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  > She
                                  > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                  > > consciousness
                                  > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                  > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                  > rediculed
                                  > > > and sconld.
                                  > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                  morbid
                                  > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                  years
                                  > > or
                                  > > > less!
                                  > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  > arguments.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                  > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                  > > bitch
                                  > > > at
                                  > > > > times.
                                  > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                  > me.
                                  > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                  > slightest,
                                  > > > the
                                  > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                  > > count.
                                  > > > And by
                                  > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                  > > FANNIE
                                  > > > mae,
                                  > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                  One
                                  > > > would
                                  > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                  > money
                                  > > > into
                                  > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                  > > idea,
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                  damn
                                  > > > things.
                                  > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                  > > name
                                  > > > for
                                  > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                  > > > friends.
                                  > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                  > > > > Later...
                                  > > > > Ted
                                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > From: masanga@
                                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                  > > > to get
                                  > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                  > > > eventually
                                  > > > > > got
                                  > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                  > me
                                  > > in
                                  > > > my
                                  > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                  > days
                                  > > > and was
                                  > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                  this
                                  > > > forum
                                  > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                  > election
                                  > > > of
                                  > > > > > Barack
                                  > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                  of
                                  > > > them. The
                                  > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                  > of
                                  > > > joy in
                                  > > > > > the
                                  > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                  > new
                                  > > > age has
                                  > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                  > > > > > world-historic
                                  > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                  > > here.
                                  > > > Why
                                  > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                  > > > election
                                  > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                  > > > politicians
                                  > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                  > view
                                  > > > that
                                  > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                  > > > constitutes
                                  > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                  in
                                  > > > the
                                  > > > > > whole
                                  > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                  Alfred
                                  > > > > > Lambremont
                                  > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                  > to
                                  > > > remove
                                  > > > > > the
                                  > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                  > > anything
                                  > > > > > myself
                                  > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                  > either.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                  > > > found no
                                  > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                  > myself
                                  > > > from
                                  > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                  > > > whenever I
                                  > > > > > am
                                  > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                  performed
                                  > > > that
                                  > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                  > don't
                                  > > > want to
                                  > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                  > spectacle
                                  > > > may be.
                                  > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                  > the
                                  > > > Zeta -
                                  > > > > > on
                                  > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                  > those
                                  > > > among us
                                  > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                  > it.
                                  > > > So my
                                  > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                  > warning
                                  > > in
                                  > > > > > fact -
                                  > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                  > cult-building
                                  > > > > > activity
                                  > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                  > > their
                                  > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                  freedom
                                  > to
                                  > > > do
                                  > > > > > that
                                  > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                  > > > natural
                                  > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                  > > > now
                                  > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > Warm regards,
                                  > > > > > Regan
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > From: Ted
                                  > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                  > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                  > > > > > .
                                  > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > > From: masanga@
                                  > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                  > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                  > > > words of
                                  > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                  who
                                  > is
                                  > > > > >> reported
                                  > > > > >> to have said:
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                  > > > > >> fantasies
                                  > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Regan
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                  ;
                                  > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                  ;
                                  > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                  ;
                                  > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                  > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  [11-08-08]
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                  > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> written
                                  > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                  > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                  > he
                                  > > > did on
                                  > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                  > out
                                  > > > in his
                                  > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                  the
                                  > > new
                                  > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                  > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                  shift?
                                  > > The
                                  > > > Zetas
                                  > > > > >> have
                                  > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                  I
                                  > > > would
                                  > > > > >> like
                                  > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                  > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                  > X,
                                  > > > and if
                                  > > > > >> so
                                  > > > > >> was
                                  > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                  > > > Friday the
                                  > > > > >> CNN
                                  > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                  > > > "pause"
                                  > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                  4th
                                  > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                  > > declined
                                  > > > to
                                  > > > > >> comment.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                  > > consensus
                                  > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                  > his
                                  > > > heart
                                  > > > > >> and
                                  > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                  > > Obama
                                  > > > looked
                                  > > > > >> older
                                  > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                  > the
                                  > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                  > candidacy.
                                  > > > Yet the
                                  > > > > >> race
                                  > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                  > > causing
                                  > > > him
                                  > > > > >> loss
                                  > > > > >> of
                                  > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                  not
                                  > > > already
                                  > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                  > world
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > >> what
                                  > > > > >> the
                                  > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                  > also
                                  > > > did not
                                  > > > > >> learn
                                  > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                  > > > company
                                  > > > > >> crimes,
                                  > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                  the
                                  > > FBI
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > >> the
                                  > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                  > > > planetary
                                  > > > > >> presence
                                  > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                  He
                                  > > had
                                  > > > heard
                                  > > > > >> the
                                  > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                  > > relayed
                                  > > > to
                                  > > > > >> him
                                  > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                  > > > confirmation.
                                  > > > > >> Why would
                                  > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                  > US
                                  > > > > >> boundaries
                                  > > > > >> are
                                  > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                  > > cover-up,
                                  > > > and
                                  > > > > >> how
                                  > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                  > > been
                                  > > > > >> decided.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                  > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                  > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                  > options
                                  > > > in the
                                  > > > > >> future.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                  > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                  > beliefs?
                                  > > He
                                  > > > is
                                  > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                  is
                                  > > > Lincoln
                                  > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                  > > > > >> figuratively?
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                  > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                  > > > recognize
                                  > > > > >> early
                                  > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                  > > case,
                                  > > > he
                                  > > > > >> was
                                  > > > > >> a
                                  > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                  > life
                                  > > > > >> circumstances
                                  > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                  > human
                                  > > > body
                                  > > > > >> and
                                  > > > > >> mind
                                  > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                  > > > conclusion
                                  > > > > >> that
                                  > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> The
                                  > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                  > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> Election
                                  > > > > >> Results
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> As predicted by
                                  > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                  result,
                                  > > > state by
                                  > > > > >> state,
                                  > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                  > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                  McCain
                                  > > > ended up
                                  > > > > >> in
                                  > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                  > to
                                  > > > the
                                  > > > > >> actual
                                  > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                  > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                  > > > > >>
                                  > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                  GOD
                                  > is
                                  > > > Not
                                  > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                  > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                  > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                  >
                                • nathaniel x vance
                                  Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                    Okay Mr. Ted,
                                    I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                                    scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                                    two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                                    think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                                    wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                                    he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                                    Messiah/Mahdi?
                                    We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                                    Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                                    scratching his
                                    > head
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: masanga@...
                                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    [11-08-08]
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > > Nathaniel,
                                    > >
                                    > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                    > >
                                    > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                    about
                                    > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                    know
                                    > > of
                                    > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                    > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                    > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                    universe, I
                                    > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                                    I have
                                    > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                    > >
                                    > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                    divine
                                    > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                    > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                    in my
                                    > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                    that
                                    > > he
                                    > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                    > >
                                    > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                    presume to
                                    > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                                    to
                                    > > date
                                    > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                    mystery
                                    > > to
                                    > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                    > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                    divine
                                    > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                    > >
                                    > > Regan (masanga)
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                    > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > masanga,
                                    > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                                    about
                                    > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                    > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                                    If
                                    > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                    > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                    > >>
                                    > >> Nathaniel,
                                    > >>
                                    > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                    > > that my
                                    > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                    > > great
                                    > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                                    have
                                    > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                    > > knowledge,
                                    > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                    > > desires,
                                    > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                    things
                                    > > as
                                    > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                    will
                                    > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                    > > said
                                    > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                    > > And
                                    > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                    > > children to
                                    > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                    you
                                    > > for
                                    > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                    worked
                                    > > long
                                    > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                    both
                                    > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                    > > encouragement
                                    > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                    > > mental age
                                    > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                    > >>
                                    > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                    > > break
                                    > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                    > > don't
                                    > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                    me
                                    > > in the
                                    > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                    > > suggest
                                    > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                    up.
                                    > >>
                                    > >> Sincerely,
                                    > >> Regan (masanga)
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                    > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                    > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    > >>
                                    > >>
                                    > >> Dear masanga,
                                    > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                    answer
                                    > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                    > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                    our
                                    > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                    > > would
                                    > >> your answer be?
                                    > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                    before
                                    > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                                    qualifications;
                                    > > Can
                                    > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                    see
                                    > > a
                                    > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                    details
                                    > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                    > > Obama,
                                    > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                    > > earth
                                    > >> would qualify.
                                    > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                    > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                    > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                    > >>
                                    > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                    a
                                    > >> certain
                                    > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                    greedy
                                    > >> > wicked...."
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                    > >> of our
                                    > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                    > > anyone
                                    > >> else
                                    > >> > in this respect.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                    > > would
                                    > >> win
                                    > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                    > >> needing any
                                    > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                    > >> "seemingly
                                    > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                    > >> seemed to
                                    > >> > have a clear run to me.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                    > >> about
                                    > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                                    and
                                    > >> praises
                                    > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                                    who
                                    > >> asssisted
                                    > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                    > >> protected
                                    > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                    > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                    really
                                    > >> in
                                    > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                    dominance?
                                    > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                                    facing
                                    > > up
                                    > >> to
                                    > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                                    which
                                    > > is
                                    > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                    a
                                    > >> system
                                    > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                    > > where
                                    > >> the
                                    > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                    become
                                    > >> the
                                    > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                    > > "Emperor").
                                    > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                    > >> office
                                    > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                    credit
                                    > >> for
                                    > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                    me.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                    cult!
                                    > >> She is
                                    > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                    consciousness
                                    > >> for the
                                    > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                    righteous."
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                    > >> I see
                                    > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                    be
                                    > >> as you
                                    > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                    for
                                    > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                    > >> think she
                                    > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                    > >> independent
                                    > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                    asserting
                                    > >> the
                                    > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                    > >> anonymous
                                    > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                    on
                                    > >> sheer
                                    > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                    of
                                    > >> the
                                    > >> > terms.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                    rediculed
                                    > >> and
                                    > >> > sconld...."
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                    > >> scold
                                    > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                    impartially
                                    > >> and
                                    > >> > objectively.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                    > >> morbid
                                    > >> > intransigence...."
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                    > >> compromise" and
                                    > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                                    wants
                                    > > us
                                    > >> to
                                    > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                    wonder
                                    > >> what
                                    > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                                    think
                                    > >> she
                                    > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                    > > price.
                                    > >> But
                                    > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                    ours.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    > > re-appearance
                                    > >> of
                                    > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                    > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    > > arguments."
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                    > >> we? Or
                                    > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                    absurd
                                    > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                    which
                                    > >> she has
                                    > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                    > > which
                                    > >> you
                                    > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                    she
                                    > >> can
                                    > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                    into
                                    > >> an
                                    > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                                    or
                                    > >> even
                                    > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                    intelligence?
                                    > >> It is
                                    > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                    willing
                                    > >> to pay
                                    > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                                    too
                                    > >> high for
                                    > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                    "full
                                    > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                    > > own
                                    > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                    > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                                    and a
                                    > >> lie the
                                    > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                    > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Regards,
                                    > >> > Regan
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                    > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    [11-08-08]
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                    > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                    a
                                    > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                    > > the
                                    > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                    that
                                    > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                    against
                                    > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                    should
                                    > > be
                                    > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                    > > team
                                    > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                                    making
                                    > >> this
                                    > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                    > > clock
                                    > >> > 24/7!!
                                    > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                    cult!
                                    > > She
                                    > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                    > >> consciousness
                                    > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                    > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                    > > rediculed
                                    > >> > and sconld.
                                    > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                    morbid
                                    > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                    years
                                    > >> or
                                    > >> > less!
                                    > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    > > arguments.
                                    > >> >
                                    > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                    > >> > >
                                    > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                    > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                    > >> bitch
                                    > >> > at
                                    > >> > > times.
                                    > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                    > > me.
                                    > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                    > > slightest,
                                    > >> > the
                                    > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                    > >> count.
                                    > >> > And by
                                    > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                    > >> > >
                                    > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                    > >> FANNIE
                                    > >> > mae,
                                    > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                    One
                                    > >> > would
                                    > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                    > > money
                                    > >> > into
                                    > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                    > >> idea,
                                    > >> > and
                                    > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                    damn
                                    > >> > things.
                                    > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                                    Nancy's
                                    > >> name
                                    > >> > for
                                    > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                    > >> > friends.
                                    > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                    > >> > > Later...
                                    > >> > > Ted
                                    > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > >> > > From: masanga@
                                    > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                    > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > > [11-08-08]
                                    > >> > >
                                    > >> > >
                                    > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                    > >> > to get
                                    > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                    > >> > eventually
                                    > >> > > > got
                                    > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                                    for
                                    > > me
                                    > >> in
                                    > >> > my
                                    > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                    > > days
                                    > >> > and was
                                    > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                    this
                                    > >> > forum
                                    > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                    > > election
                                    > >> > of
                                    > >> > > > Barack
                                    > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                    of
                                    > >> > them. The
                                    > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                                    tears
                                    > > of
                                    > >> > joy in
                                    > >> > > > the
                                    > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                    > > new
                                    > >> > age has
                                    > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                    > >> > > > world-historic
                                    > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                    > >> here.
                                    > >> > Why
                                    > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                    > >> > election
                                    > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                    > >> > politicians
                                    > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                    > > view
                                    > >> > that
                                    > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                    > >> > constitutes
                                    > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                    in
                                    > >> > the
                                    > >> > > > whole
                                    > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                    Alfred
                                    > >> > > > Lambremont
                                    > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                                    commitment
                                    > > to
                                    > >> > remove
                                    > >> > > > the
                                    > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                    > >> anything
                                    > >> > > > myself
                                    > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                    > > either.
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                    > >> > found no
                                    > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                    > > myself
                                    > >> > from
                                    > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                    > >> > whenever I
                                    > >> > > > am
                                    > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                    performed
                                    > >> > that
                                    > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                    > > don't
                                    > >> > want to
                                    > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                    > > spectacle
                                    > >> > may be.
                                    > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                                    of
                                    > > the
                                    > >> > Zeta -
                                    > >> > > > on
                                    > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                    > > those
                                    > >> > among us
                                    > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                                    to
                                    > > it.
                                    > >> > So my
                                    > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                    > > warning
                                    > >> in
                                    > >> > > > fact -
                                    > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                    > > cult-building
                                    > >> > > > activity
                                    > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                                    dictate
                                    > >> their
                                    > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                    freedom
                                    > > to
                                    > >> > do
                                    > >> > > > that
                                    > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                    > >> > natural
                                    > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                    > >> > now
                                    > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > > Warm regards,
                                    > >> > > > Regan
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > >> > > > From: Ted
                                    > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                    > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > >> [11-08-08]
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                    > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                    > >> > > > .
                                    > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > >> > > > From: masanga@
                                    > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                    > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > >> [11-08-08]
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                    > >> > words of
                                    > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                    who
                                    > > is
                                    > >> > > >> reported
                                    > >> > > >> to have said:
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                    > >> > > >> fantasies
                                    > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> Regan
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                    > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                                    ;
                                    > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                                    ;
                                    > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                                    ;
                                    > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                    ;
                                    > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                    ;
                                    > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                    > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                    > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    [11-08-08]
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                    > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> written
                                    > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                    > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                                    than
                                    > > he
                                    > >> > did on
                                    > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                                    found
                                    > > out
                                    > >> > in his
                                    > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                    the
                                    > >> new
                                    > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                    > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                    shift?
                                    > >> The
                                    > >> > Zetas
                                    > >> > > >> have
                                    > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                                    another] I
                                    > >> > would
                                    > >> > > >> like
                                    > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                    > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                                    Planet
                                    > > X,
                                    > >> > and if
                                    > >> > > >> so
                                    > >> > > >> was
                                    > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                                    conference
                                    > >> > Friday the
                                    > >> > > >> CNN
                                    > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                    > >> > "pause"
                                    > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                    4th
                                    > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                    > >> declined
                                    > >> > to
                                    > >> > > >> comment.
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                    > >> consensus
                                    > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                    > > his
                                    > >> > heart
                                    > >> > > >> and
                                    > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                    > >> Obama
                                    > >> > looked
                                    > >> > > >> older
                                    > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                    > > the
                                    > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                    > > candidacy.
                                    > >> > Yet the
                                    > >> > > >> race
                                    > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                    > >> causing
                                    > >> > him
                                    > >> > > >> loss
                                    > >> > > >> of
                                    > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                    not
                                    > >> > already
                                    > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                    > > world
                                    > >> > and
                                    > >> > > >> what
                                    > >> > > >> the
                                    > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                    > > also
                                    > >> > did not
                                    > >> > > >> learn
                                    > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                                    and
                                    > >> > company
                                    > >> > > >> crimes,
                                    > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                    the
                                    > >> FBI
                                    > >> > and
                                    > >> > > >> the
                                    > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                    > >> > planetary
                                    > >> > > >> presence
                                    > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                    He
                                    > >> had
                                    > >> > heard
                                    > >> > > >> the
                                    > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                    > >> relayed
                                    > >> > to
                                    > >> > > >> him
                                    > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                    > >> > confirmation.
                                    > >> > > >> Why would
                                    > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                                    the
                                    > > US
                                    > >> > > >> boundaries
                                    > >> > > >> are
                                    > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                    > >> cover-up,
                                    > >> > and
                                    > >> > > >> how
                                    > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                                    yet
                                    > >> been
                                    > >> > > >> decided.
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                    > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                    > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                    > > options
                                    > >> > in the
                                    > >> > > >> future.
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                    > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                    > > beliefs?
                                    > >> He
                                    > >> > is
                                    > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                    is
                                    > >> > Lincoln
                                    > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                                    speaking
                                    > >> > > >> figuratively?
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                                    many,
                                    > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                    > >> > recognize
                                    > >> > > >> early
                                    > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                                    Obama's
                                    > >> case,
                                    > >> > he
                                    > >> > > >> was
                                    > >> > > >> a
                                    > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                    > > life
                                    > >> > > >> circumstances
                                    > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                    > > human
                                    > >> > body
                                    > >> > > >> and
                                    > >> > > >> mind
                                    > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                    > >> > conclusion
                                    > >> > > >> that
                                    > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> The
                                    > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                    > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> Election
                                    > >> > > >> Results
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> As predicted by
                                    > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                    result,
                                    > >> > state by
                                    > >> > > >> state,
                                    > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                    > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                    McCain
                                    > >> > ended up
                                    > >> > > >> in
                                    > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                                    polls,
                                    > > to
                                    > >> > the
                                    > >> > > >> actual
                                    > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                    > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                    > >> > > >>
                                    > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                    GOD
                                    > > is
                                    > >> > Not
                                    > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                    > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                    > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > >
                                    > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ------------------------------------
                                    > >
                                    > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    >
                                  • masanga@talktalk.net
                                    Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                    Message 17 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                      Dear Nathaniel,

                                      Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                                      you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                      no harm was done.

                                      Be at peace.

                                      Regan (masanga)


                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: nathaniel x vance
                                      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                                      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                      Dear Brother masanga,
                                      Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                      and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                      you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                      rebellion out in me.
                                      Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                      COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                      like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                      higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                      help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                      renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                      higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                      co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                      Please pardon me.

                                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Nathaniel,
                                      >
                                      > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                      >
                                      > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                      about
                                      > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                      know of
                                      > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                      > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                      > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                      universe, I
                                      > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                      have
                                      > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                      >
                                      > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                      divine
                                      > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                      > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                      in my
                                      > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                      that he
                                      > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                      >
                                      > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                      presume to
                                      > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                      date
                                      > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                      mystery to
                                      > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                      > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                      divine
                                      > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                      >
                                      > Regan (masanga)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > masanga,
                                      > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                      > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                      > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                      > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                      > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                      >
                                      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > Nathaniel,
                                      > >
                                      > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                      > that my
                                      > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                      > great
                                      > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                      > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                      > knowledge,
                                      > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                      > desires,
                                      > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                      things
                                      > as
                                      > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                      will
                                      > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                      > said
                                      > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                      > And
                                      > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                      > children to
                                      > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                      you
                                      > for
                                      > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                      worked
                                      > long
                                      > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                      both
                                      > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                      > encouragement
                                      > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                      > mental age
                                      > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                      > >
                                      > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                      > break
                                      > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                      > don't
                                      > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                      me
                                      > in the
                                      > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                      > suggest
                                      > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                      up.
                                      > >
                                      > > Sincerely,
                                      > > Regan (masanga)
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                      > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > Dear masanga,
                                      > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                      answer
                                      > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                      > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                      our
                                      > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                      > would
                                      > > your answer be?
                                      > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                      before
                                      > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                      > Can
                                      > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                      see
                                      > a
                                      > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                      details
                                      > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                      > Obama,
                                      > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                      > earth
                                      > > would qualify.
                                      > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                      > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                      > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                      > > >
                                      > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                      a
                                      > > certain
                                      > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                      greedy
                                      > > > wicked...."
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                      > > of our
                                      > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                      > anyone
                                      > > else
                                      > > > in this respect.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                      > would
                                      > > win
                                      > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                      > > >
                                      > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                      > > needing any
                                      > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                      > > "seemingly
                                      > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                      > > seemed to
                                      > > > have a clear run to me.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                      > > about
                                      > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                      > > praises
                                      > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                      > > asssisted
                                      > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                      > > protected
                                      > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                      > > >
                                      > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                      > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                      really
                                      > > in
                                      > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                      dominance?
                                      > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                      > up
                                      > > to
                                      > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                      > is
                                      > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                      a
                                      > > system
                                      > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                      > where
                                      > > the
                                      > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                      become
                                      > > the
                                      > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                      > "Emperor").
                                      > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                      > > office
                                      > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                      credit
                                      > > for
                                      > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                      me.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                      cult!
                                      > > She is
                                      > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                      consciousness
                                      > > for the
                                      > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                      > > >
                                      > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                      > > I see
                                      > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                      be
                                      > > as you
                                      > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                      for
                                      > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                      > > think she
                                      > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                      > > independent
                                      > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                      asserting
                                      > > the
                                      > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                      > > anonymous
                                      > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                      on
                                      > > sheer
                                      > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                      of
                                      > > the
                                      > > > terms.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                      rediculed
                                      > > and
                                      > > > sconld...."
                                      > > >
                                      > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                      > > scold
                                      > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                      impartially
                                      > > and
                                      > > > objectively.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                      > > morbid
                                      > > > intransigence...."
                                      > > >
                                      > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                      > > compromise" and
                                      > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                      > us
                                      > > to
                                      > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                      wonder
                                      > > what
                                      > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                      > > she
                                      > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                      > price.
                                      > > But
                                      > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                      ours.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      > re-appearance
                                      > > of
                                      > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                      > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      > arguments."
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                      > > we? Or
                                      > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                      absurd
                                      > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                      which
                                      > > she has
                                      > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                      > which
                                      > > you
                                      > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                      she
                                      > > can
                                      > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                      into
                                      > > an
                                      > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                      > > even
                                      > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                      intelligence?
                                      > > It is
                                      > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                      willing
                                      > > to pay
                                      > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                      > > high for
                                      > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                      "full
                                      > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                      > own
                                      > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                      > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                      a
                                      > > lie the
                                      > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                      > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Regards,
                                      > > > Regan
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                      > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      [11-08-08]
                                      > > >
                                      > > >
                                      > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                      > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                      > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                      > the
                                      > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                      that
                                      > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                      against
                                      > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                      should
                                      > be
                                      > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                      > team
                                      > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                      > > this
                                      > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                      > clock
                                      > > > 24/7!!
                                      > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                      > She
                                      > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                      > > consciousness
                                      > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                      > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                      > rediculed
                                      > > > and sconld.
                                      > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                      morbid
                                      > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                      years
                                      > > or
                                      > > > less!
                                      > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      > arguments.
                                      > > >
                                      > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                      > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                      > > bitch
                                      > > > at
                                      > > > > times.
                                      > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                      > me.
                                      > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                      > slightest,
                                      > > > the
                                      > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                      > > count.
                                      > > > And by
                                      > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                      > > FANNIE
                                      > > > mae,
                                      > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                      One
                                      > > > would
                                      > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                      > money
                                      > > > into
                                      > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                      > > idea,
                                      > > > and
                                      > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                      damn
                                      > > > things.
                                      > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                      > > name
                                      > > > for
                                      > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                      > > > friends.
                                      > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                      > > > > Later...
                                      > > > > Ted
                                      > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > > > From: masanga@
                                      > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                      > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      > [11-08-08]
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                      > > > to get
                                      > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                      > > > eventually
                                      > > > > > got
                                      > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                      > me
                                      > > in
                                      > > > my
                                      > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                      > days
                                      > > > and was
                                      > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                      this
                                      > > > forum
                                      > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                      > election
                                      > > > of
                                      > > > > > Barack
                                      > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                      of
                                      > > > them. The
                                      > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                      > of
                                      > > > joy in
                                      > > > > > the
                                      > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                      > new
                                      > > > age has
                                      > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                      > > > > > world-historic
                                      > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                      > > here.
                                      > > > Why
                                      > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                      > > > election
                                      > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                      > > > politicians
                                      > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                      > view
                                      > > > that
                                      > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                      > > > constitutes
                                      > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                      in
                                      > > > the
                                      > > > > > whole
                                      > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                      Alfred
                                      > > > > > Lambremont
                                      > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                      > to
                                      > > > remove
                                      > > > > > the
                                      > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                      > > anything
                                      > > > > > myself
                                      > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                      > either.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                      > > > found no
                                      > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                      > myself
                                      > > > from
                                      > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                      > > > whenever I
                                      > > > > > am
                                      > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                      performed
                                      > > > that
                                      > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                      > don't
                                      > > > want to
                                      > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                      > spectacle
                                      > > > may be.
                                      > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                      > the
                                      > > > Zeta -
                                      > > > > > on
                                      > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                      > those
                                      > > > among us
                                      > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                      > it.
                                      > > > So my
                                      > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                      > warning
                                      > > in
                                      > > > > > fact -
                                      > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                      > cult-building
                                      > > > > > activity
                                      > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                      > > their
                                      > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                      freedom
                                      > to
                                      > > > do
                                      > > > > > that
                                      > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                      > > > natural
                                      > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                      > > > now
                                      > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > Warm regards,
                                      > > > > > Regan
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > > > > From: Ted
                                      > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      > > [11-08-08]
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                      > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                      > > > > > .
                                      > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > > > > From: masanga@
                                      > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                      > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      > > [11-08-08]
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                      > > > words of
                                      > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                      who
                                      > is
                                      > > > > >> reported
                                      > > > > >> to have said:
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                      > > > > >> fantasies
                                      > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> Regan
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                      ;
                                      > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                      ;
                                      > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                      ;
                                      > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                      > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      [11-08-08]
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                      > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> written
                                      > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                      > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                      > he
                                      > > > did on
                                      > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                      > out
                                      > > > in his
                                      > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                      the
                                      > > new
                                      > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                      > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                      shift?
                                      > > The
                                      > > > Zetas
                                      > > > > >> have
                                      > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                      I
                                      > > > would
                                      > > > > >> like
                                      > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                      > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                      > X,
                                      > > > and if
                                      > > > > >> so
                                      > > > > >> was
                                      > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                      > > > Friday the
                                      > > > > >> CNN
                                      > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                      > > > "pause"
                                      > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                      4th
                                      > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                      > > declined
                                      > > > to
                                      > > > > >> comment.
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                      > > consensus
                                      > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                      > his
                                      > > > heart
                                      > > > > >> and
                                      > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                      > > Obama
                                      > > > looked
                                      > > > > >> older
                                      > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                      > the
                                      > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                      > candidacy.
                                      > > > Yet the
                                      > > > > >> race
                                      > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                      > > causing
                                      > > > him
                                      > > > > >> loss
                                      > > > > >> of
                                      > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                      not
                                      > > > already
                                      > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                      > world
                                      > > > and
                                      > > > > >> what
                                      > > > > >> the
                                      > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                      > also
                                      > > > did not
                                      > > > > >> learn
                                      > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                      > > > company
                                      > > > > >> crimes,
                                      > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                      the
                                      > > FBI
                                      > > > and
                                      > > > > >> the
                                      > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                      > > > planetary
                                      > > > > >> presence
                                      > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                      He
                                      > > had
                                      > > > heard
                                      > > > > >> the
                                      > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                      > > relayed
                                      > > > to
                                      > > > > >> him
                                      > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                      > > > confirmation.
                                      > > > > >> Why would
                                      > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                      > US
                                      > > > > >> boundaries
                                      > > > > >> are
                                      > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                      > > cover-up,
                                      > > > and
                                      > > > > >> how
                                      > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                      > > been
                                      > > > > >> decided.
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                      > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                      > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                      > options
                                      > > > in the
                                      > > > > >> future.
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                      > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                      > beliefs?
                                      > > He
                                      > > > is
                                      > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                      is
                                      > > > Lincoln
                                      > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                      > > > > >> figuratively?
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                      > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                      > > > recognize
                                      > > > > >> early
                                      > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                      > > case,
                                      > > > he
                                      > > > > >> was
                                      > > > > >> a
                                      > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                      > life
                                      > > > > >> circumstances
                                      > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                      > human
                                      > > > body
                                      > > > > >> and
                                      > > > > >> mind
                                      > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                      > > > conclusion
                                      > > > > >> that
                                      > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> The
                                      > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                      > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> Election
                                      > > > > >> Results
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> As predicted by
                                      > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                      result,
                                      > > > state by
                                      > > > > >> state,
                                      > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                      > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                      McCain
                                      > > > ended up
                                      > > > > >> in
                                      > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                      > to
                                      > > > the
                                      > > > > >> actual
                                      > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                      > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                      > > > > >>
                                      > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                      GOD
                                      > is
                                      > > > Not
                                      > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                      > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                      > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > > > > > ------------------------------------
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