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  • Ted
    Nice to hear a sane voice of reason. I m glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at times. Obama, well we ll see. Why anyone would
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 13, 2008
      Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
      I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
      times.
      Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
      Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
      economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
      the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

      Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
      freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
      think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
      the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
      his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
      Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
      President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
      Good to see you're back.
      Later...
      Ted
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <masanga@...>
      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


      > Hi Ted,
      >
      > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
      > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
      > got
      > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
      > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
      > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
      > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
      > Barack
      > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
      > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
      > the
      > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
      > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
      > world-historic
      > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
      > not? I found this puzzling.
      >
      > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
      > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
      > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
      > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
      > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
      > whole
      > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
      > Lambremont
      > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
      > the
      > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
      > myself
      > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
      >
      > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
      > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
      > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
      > am
      > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
      > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
      > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
      > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
      > on
      > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
      > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
      > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
      > fact -
      > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
      > activity
      > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
      > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
      > that
      > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
      > consequences of doing it.
      >
      > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
      > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
      >
      > Warm regards,
      > Regan
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Ted
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      > So you're back with a vengeance
      > Well I meant a quote.
      > .
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <masanga@...>
      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
      >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
      >> reported
      >> to have said:
      >>
      >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
      >> fantasies
      >> into the pit of destruction."
      >>
      >> Regan
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: nathaniel x vance
      >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> ZetaTalk:
      >> GodlikeProduction Live
      >>
      >> written
      >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      >>
      >> Questioner: Obama
      >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
      >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
      >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
      >> president, what does it mean for the
      >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
      >> have
      >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
      >> like
      >> to ask the Zetas if on
      >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
      >> so
      >> was
      >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
      >> CNN
      >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
      >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
      >> comment.
      >>
      >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
      >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
      >> and
      >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
      >> older
      >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
      >> race
      >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
      >> loss
      >> of
      >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
      >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
      >> what
      >> the
      >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
      >> learn
      >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
      >> crimes,
      >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
      >> the
      >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
      >> presence
      >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
      >> the
      >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
      >> him
      >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
      >> Why would
      >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
      >> boundaries
      >> are
      >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
      >> how
      >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
      >> decided.
      >>
      >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      >>
      >> Zeta response: This
      >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
      >> future.
      >>
      >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
      >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
      >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      >> figuratively?
      >>
      >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
      >> early
      >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
      >> was
      >> a
      >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      >> circumstances
      >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
      >> and
      >> mind
      >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
      >> that
      >> they have a new soul within.
      >>
      >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      >>
      >> The
      >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
      >>
      >> Issue 104,
      >> Sunday November 9, 2008
      >>
      >> Election
      >> Results
      >>
      >> As predicted by
      >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
      >> state,
      >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
      >> in
      >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
      >> actual
      >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      >>
      >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      >>
      >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
      >> MOCKED!
      >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      >> http://zetaheaven.org
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------
      >
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
      >
      >
    • nathaniel x vance
      Dear Regan, Ted, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
        Dear Regan, Ted,
        President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
        certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
        greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
        barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
        him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
        afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
        and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
        victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
        24/7!!
        I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
        is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
        for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
        righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
        and sconld.
        We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
        intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
        re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
        less!
        Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
        >
        > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
        > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
        at
        > times.
        > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
        > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
        the
        > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
        And by
        > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
        >
        > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
        mae,
        > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
        would
        > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
        into
        > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
        and
        > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
        things.
        > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
        for
        > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
        friends.
        > Good to see you're back.
        > Later...
        > Ted
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: masanga@...
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        > > Hi Ted,
        > >
        > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
        to get
        > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
        eventually
        > > got
        > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
        my
        > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
        and was
        > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
        forum
        > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
        of
        > > Barack
        > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
        them. The
        > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
        joy in
        > > the
        > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
        age has
        > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
        > > world-historic
        > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
        Why
        > > not? I found this puzzling.
        > >
        > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
        election
        > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
        politicians
        > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
        that
        > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
        constitutes
        > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
        the
        > > whole
        > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
        > > Lambremont
        > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
        remove
        > > the
        > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
        > > myself
        > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
        > >
        > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
        found no
        > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
        from
        > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
        whenever I
        > > am
        > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
        that
        > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
        want to
        > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
        may be.
        > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
        Zeta -
        > > on
        > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
        among us
        > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
        So my
        > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
        > > fact -
        > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
        > > activity
        > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
        > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
        do
        > > that
        > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
        natural
        > > consequences of doing it.
        > >
        > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
        now
        > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
        > >
        > > Warm regards,
        > > Regan
        > >
        > >
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: Ted
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > > So you're back with a vengeance
        > > Well I meant a quote.
        > > .
        > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > From: masanga@...
        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >
        > >
        > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
        words of
        > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
        > >> reported
        > >> to have said:
        > >>
        > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
        > >> fantasies
        > >> into the pit of destruction."
        > >>
        > >> Regan
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ----- Original Message -----
        > >> From: nathaniel x vance
        > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
        TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
        ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
        earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
        > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> ZetaTalk:
        > >> GodlikeProduction Live
        > >>
        > >> written
        > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Obama
        > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
        did on
        > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
        in his
        > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
        > >> president, what does it mean for the
        > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
        Zetas
        > >> have
        > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
        would
        > >> like
        > >> to ask the Zetas if on
        > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
        and if
        > >> so
        > >> was
        > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
        Friday the
        > >> CNN
        > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
        "pause"
        > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
        to
        > >> comment.
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
        > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
        heart
        > >> and
        > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
        looked
        > >> older
        > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
        Yet the
        > >> race
        > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
        him
        > >> loss
        > >> of
        > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
        already
        > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
        and
        > >> what
        > >> the
        > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
        did not
        > >> learn
        > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
        company
        > >> crimes,
        > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
        and
        > >> the
        > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
        planetary
        > >> presence
        > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
        heard
        > >> the
        > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
        to
        > >> him
        > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
        confirmation.
        > >> Why would
        > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
        > >> boundaries
        > >> are
        > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
        and
        > >> how
        > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
        > >> decided.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: This
        > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
        in the
        > >> future.
        > >>
        > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
        is
        > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
        Lincoln
        > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > >> figuratively?
        > >>
        > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
        recognize
        > >> early
        > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
        he
        > >> was
        > >> a
        > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        > >> circumstances
        > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
        body
        > >> and
        > >> mind
        > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
        conclusion
        > >> that
        > >> they have a new soul within.
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        > >>
        > >> The
        > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
        > >>
        > >> Issue 104,
        > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
        > >>
        > >> Election
        > >> Results
        > >>
        > >> As predicted by
        > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
        state by
        > >> state,
        > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
        ended up
        > >> in
        > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
        the
        > >> actual
        > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        > >>
        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        > >>
        > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
        Not
        > >> MOCKED!
        > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > >> http://zetaheaven.org
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
        > >
        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
      • Ted
        Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama s staff, like spiritual advisors. Heck it s worth a try. Then
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
          Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama's staff, like spiritual advisors.
          Heck it's worth a try.
          Then just maybe you'll keep your dribble off my screen.
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: nathaniel x vance
          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:47 AM
          Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          Dear Regan, Ted,
          President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
          certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
          greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
          barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
          him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
          afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
          and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
          victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
          24/7!!
          I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
          is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
          for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
          righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
          and sconld.
          We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
          intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
          re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
          less!
          Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
          >
          > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
          at
          > times.
          > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
          > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
          the
          > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
          And by
          > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
          >
          > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
          mae,
          > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
          would
          > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
          into
          > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
          and
          > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
          things.
          > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
          for
          > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
          friends.
          > Good to see you're back.
          > Later...
          > Ted
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: masanga@...
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > > Hi Ted,
          > >
          > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
          to get
          > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
          eventually
          > > got
          > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
          my
          > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
          and was
          > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
          forum
          > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
          of
          > > Barack
          > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
          them. The
          > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
          joy in
          > > the
          > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
          age has
          > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          > > world-historic
          > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
          Why
          > > not? I found this puzzling.
          > >
          > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
          election
          > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
          politicians
          > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
          that
          > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
          constitutes
          > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
          the
          > > whole
          > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          > > Lambremont
          > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
          remove
          > > the
          > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
          > > myself
          > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
          > >
          > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
          found no
          > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
          from
          > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
          whenever I
          > > am
          > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
          that
          > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
          want to
          > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
          may be.
          > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
          Zeta -
          > > on
          > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
          among us
          > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
          So my
          > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
          > > fact -
          > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
          > > activity
          > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
          > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
          do
          > > that
          > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
          natural
          > > consequences of doing it.
          > >
          > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
          now
          > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          > >
          > > Warm regards,
          > > Regan
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: Ted
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > > So you're back with a vengeance
          > > Well I meant a quote.
          > > .
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: masanga@...
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >
          > >
          > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
          words of
          > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
          > >> reported
          > >> to have said:
          > >>
          > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          > >> fantasies
          > >> into the pit of destruction."
          > >>
          > >> Regan
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> ----- Original Message -----
          > >> From: nathaniel x vance
          > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
          TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
          ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
          earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >>
          > >> ZetaTalk:
          > >> GodlikeProduction Live
          > >>
          > >> written
          > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          > >>
          > >> Questioner: Obama
          > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
          did on
          > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
          in his
          > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
          > >> president, what does it mean for the
          > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
          Zetas
          > >> have
          > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
          would
          > >> like
          > >> to ask the Zetas if on
          > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
          and if
          > >> so
          > >> was
          > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
          Friday the
          > >> CNN
          > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
          "pause"
          > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
          to
          > >> comment.
          > >>
          > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
          > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
          heart
          > >> and
          > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
          looked
          > >> older
          > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
          > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
          Yet the
          > >> race
          > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
          him
          > >> loss
          > >> of
          > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
          already
          > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
          and
          > >> what
          > >> the
          > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
          did not
          > >> learn
          > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
          company
          > >> crimes,
          > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
          and
          > >> the
          > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
          planetary
          > >> presence
          > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
          heard
          > >> the
          > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
          to
          > >> him
          > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
          confirmation.
          > >> Why would
          > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
          > >> boundaries
          > >> are
          > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
          and
          > >> how
          > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
          > >> decided.
          > >>
          > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          > >>
          > >> Zeta response: This
          > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
          in the
          > >> future.
          > >>
          > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
          is
          > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
          Lincoln
          > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          > >> figuratively?
          > >>
          > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
          recognize
          > >> early
          > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
          he
          > >> was
          > >> a
          > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
          > >> circumstances
          > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
          body
          > >> and
          > >> mind
          > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
          conclusion
          > >> that
          > >> they have a new soul within.
          > >>
          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          > >>
          > >> The
          > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          > >>
          > >> Issue 104,
          > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          > >>
          > >> Election
          > >> Results
          > >>
          > >> As predicted by
          > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
          state by
          > >> state,
          > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
          ended up
          > >> in
          > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
          the
          > >> actual
          > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          > >>
          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          > >>
          > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
          Not
          > >> MOCKED!
          > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          > >> http://zetaheaven.org
          > >
          > >
          > > ------------------------------------
          > >
          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >





          [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        • masanga@talktalk.net
          It s good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama s new job either, especially under the present
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
            It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
            you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
            under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
            know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
            thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as the
            media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
            "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
            nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able to
            act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
            them to be.

            But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
            have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
            possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man, I
            expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
            waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
            powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
            course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
            promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
            rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
            they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
            "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
            can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
            hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.

            In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of the
            fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
            but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
            in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
            witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of free-market
            capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
            species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
            mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.

            He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
            "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
            "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
            illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
            questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
            humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture, for
            now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that humanity
            can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama and
            his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
            by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.

            Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
            shift too.

            Cheers Ted,
            Regan


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Ted
            To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
            times.
            Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
            Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
            economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
            the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

            Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
            freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
            think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
            the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
            his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
            Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
            President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
            Good to see you're back.
            Later...
            Ted
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: <masanga@...>
            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            > Hi Ted,
            >
            > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
            > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
            > got
            > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
            > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
            > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
            > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
            > Barack
            > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
            > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
            > the
            > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
            > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            > world-historic
            > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
            > not? I found this puzzling.
            >
            > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
            > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
            > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
            > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
            > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
            > whole
            > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            > Lambremont
            > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
            > the
            > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
            > myself
            > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
            >
            > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
            > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
            > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
            > am
            > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
            > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
            > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
            > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
            > on
            > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
            > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
            > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
            > fact -
            > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
            > activity
            > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
            > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
            > that
            > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
            > consequences of doing it.
            >
            > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
            > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            >
            > Warm regards,
            > Regan
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Ted
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > So you're back with a vengeance
            > Well I meant a quote.
            > .
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: <masanga@...>
            > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
            >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
            >> reported
            >> to have said:
            >>
            >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            >> fantasies
            >> into the pit of destruction."
            >>
            >> Regan
            >>
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: nathaniel x vance
            >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> ZetaTalk:
            >> GodlikeProduction Live
            >>
            >> written
            >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            >>
            >> Questioner: Obama
            >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
            >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
            >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
            >> president, what does it mean for the
            >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
            >> have
            >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
            >> like
            >> to ask the Zetas if on
            >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
            >> so
            >> was
            >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
            >> CNN
            >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
            >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
            >> comment.
            >>
            >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
            >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
            >> and
            >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
            >> older
            >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
            >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
            >> race
            >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
            >> loss
            >> of
            >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
            >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
            >> what
            >> the
            >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
            >> learn
            >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
            >> crimes,
            >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
            >> the
            >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
            >> presence
            >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
            >> the
            >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
            >> him
            >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
            >> Why would
            >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
            >> boundaries
            >> are
            >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
            >> how
            >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
            >> decided.
            >>
            >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            >>
            >> Zeta response: This
            >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
            >> future.
            >>
            >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
            >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
            >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            >> figuratively?
            >>
            >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
            >> early
            >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
            >> was
            >> a
            >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
            >> circumstances
            >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
            >> and
            >> mind
            >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
            >> that
            >> they have a new soul within.
            >>
            >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            >>
            >> The
            >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            >>
            >> Issue 104,
            >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            >>
            >> Election
            >> Results
            >>
            >> As predicted by
            >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
            >> state,
            >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
            >> in
            >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
            >> actual
            >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            >>
            >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            >>
            >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
            >> MOCKED!
            >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            >> http://zetaheaven.org
            >
            >
            > ------------------------------------
          • Ted
            We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still ... From: To: Sent: Friday, November 14,
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
              We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: <masanga@...>
              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:44 AM
              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
              > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
              > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
              > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
              > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as
              > the
              > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
              > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
              > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able
              > to
              > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
              > them to be.
              >
              > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
              > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
              > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man,
              > I
              > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
              > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
              > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
              > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
              > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
              > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
              > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
              > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
              > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
              > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
              >
              > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of
              > the
              > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
              > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
              > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
              > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
              > free-market
              > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
              > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
              > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
              >
              > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
              > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
              > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
              > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
              > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
              > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture,
              > for
              > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
              > humanity
              > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama
              > and
              > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
              > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
              >
              > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
              > shift too.
              >
              > Cheers Ted,
              > Regan
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Ted
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
              > times.
              > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
              > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
              > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And
              > by
              > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              >
              > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
              > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
              > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
              > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
              > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              > things.
              > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
              > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
              > Good to see you're back.
              > Later...
              > Ted
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: <masanga@...>
              > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              >> Hi Ted,
              >>
              >> Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to
              >> get
              >> reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
              >> got
              >> back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
              >> In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and
              >> was
              >> struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
              >> although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
              >> Barack
              >> Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them.
              >> The
              >> masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
              >> the
              >> fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age
              >> has
              >> dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              >> world-historic
              >> event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
              >> not? I found this puzzling.
              >>
              >> Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
              >> from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
              >> themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
              >> presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
              >> this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
              >> whole
              >> of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              >> Lambremont
              >> Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
              >> the
              >> Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
              >> myself
              >> so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
              >>
              >> The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found
              >> no
              >> difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
              >> turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
              >> am
              >> confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
              >> service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want
              >> to
              >> get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may
              >> be.
              >> Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
              >> on
              >> the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among
              >> us
              >> who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
              >> response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
              >> fact -
              >> to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
              >> activity
              >> and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
              >> personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
              >> that
              >> if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
              >> consequences of doing it.
              >>
              >> I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
              >> made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              >>
              >> Warm regards,
              >> Regan
              >>
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: Ted
              >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>
              >>
              >> So you're back with a vengeance
              >> Well I meant a quote.
              >> .
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: <masanga@...>
              >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>
              >>
              >>> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
              >>> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
              >>> reported
              >>> to have said:
              >>>
              >>> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              >>> fantasies
              >>> into the pit of destruction."
              >>>
              >>> Regan
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> ----- Original Message -----
              >>> From: nathaniel x vance
              >>> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com
              >>> ;
              >>> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com
              >>> ;
              >>> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              >>> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>>
              >>> ZetaTalk:
              >>> GodlikeProduction Live
              >>>
              >>> written
              >>> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              >>>
              >>> Questioner: Obama
              >>> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
              >>> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
              >>> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
              >>> president, what does it mean for the
              >>> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
              >>> have
              >>> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
              >>> like
              >>> to ask the Zetas if on
              >>> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
              >>> so
              >>> was
              >>> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
              >>> CNN
              >>> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
              >>> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              >>> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
              >>> comment.
              >>>
              >>> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
              >>> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
              >>> and
              >>> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
              >>> looked
              >>> older
              >>> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
              >>> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet
              >>> the
              >>> race
              >>> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
              >>> loss
              >>> of
              >>> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
              >>> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
              >>> what
              >>> the
              >>> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did
              >>> not
              >>> learn
              >>> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
              >>> crimes,
              >>> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
              >>> the
              >>> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
              >>> presence
              >>> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
              >>> the
              >>> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
              >>> him
              >>> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              >>> confirmation.
              >>> Why would
              >>> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
              >>> boundaries
              >>> are
              >>> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
              >>> how
              >>> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
              >>> decided.
              >>>
              >>> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              >>> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              >>>
              >>> Zeta response: This
              >>> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
              >>> future.
              >>>
              >>> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              >>> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
              >>> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
              >>> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              >>> figuratively?
              >>>
              >>> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              >>> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
              >>> early
              >>> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
              >>> was
              >>> a
              >>> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
              >>> circumstances
              >>> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
              >>> and
              >>> mind
              >>> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
              >>> that
              >>> they have a new soul within.
              >>>
              >>> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              >>>
              >>> The
              >>> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              >>>
              >>> Issue 104,
              >>> Sunday November 9, 2008
              >>>
              >>> Election
              >>> Results
              >>>
              >>> As predicted by
              >>> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
              >>> state,
              >>> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              >>> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
              >>> in
              >>> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
              >>> actual
              >>> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              >>> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              >>>
              >>> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              >>>
              >>> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
              >>> MOCKED!
              >>> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              >>> http://zetaheaven.org
              >>
              >>
              >> ------------------------------------
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
            • masanga@talktalk.net
              Dear Nathaniel, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
                Dear Nathaniel,

                "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain
                number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                wicked...."

                Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes of our
                lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone else
                in this respect.

                ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would win
                despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."

                So did a lot of other people predict it too and without needing any
                "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the "seemingly
                insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He seemed to
                have a clear run to me.

                ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."

                Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible about
                that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.

                "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and praises
                to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted
                him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected
                around the clock 24/7!!"

                You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really in
                defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up to
                the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a system
                of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where the
                people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become the
                all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken office
                yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit for
                becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.

                "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She is
                doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness for the
                wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."

                I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as I see
                it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be as you
                say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I think she
                is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is independent
                of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting the
                existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the anonymous
                "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on sheer
                blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of the
                terms.

                ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed and
                sconld...."

                What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or scold
                her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially and
                objectively.

                "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                intransigence...."

                How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to compromise" and
                to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us to
                make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder what
                they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think she
                cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price. But
                then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.

                "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance of
                the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."

                Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or
                is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which she has
                now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which you
                posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she can
                turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into an
                alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or even
                appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence? It is
                nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing to pay
                before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too high for
                me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a lie the
                next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.

                Regards,
                Regan


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: nathaniel x vance
                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                Dear Regan, Ted,
                President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
                victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                24/7!!
                I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                and sconld.
                We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
                less!
                Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                >
                > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                at
                > times.
                > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                the
                > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                And by
                > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                >
                > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                mae,
                > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                would
                > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                into
                > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                and
                > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                things.
                > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                for
                > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                friends.
                > Good to see you're back.
                > Later...
                > Ted
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: masanga@...
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > > Hi Ted,
                > >
                > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                to get
                > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                eventually
                > > got
                > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                my
                > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                and was
                > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                forum
                > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                of
                > > Barack
                > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                them. The
                > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                joy in
                > > the
                > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                age has
                > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                > > world-historic
                > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                Why
                > > not? I found this puzzling.
                > >
                > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                election
                > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                politicians
                > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                that
                > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                constitutes
                > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                the
                > > whole
                > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                > > Lambremont
                > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                remove
                > > the
                > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                > > myself
                > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                > >
                > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                found no
                > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                from
                > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                whenever I
                > > am
                > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                that
                > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                want to
                > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                may be.
                > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                Zeta -
                > > on
                > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                among us
                > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                So my
                > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                > > fact -
                > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                > > activity
                > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                do
                > > that
                > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                natural
                > > consequences of doing it.
                > >
                > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                now
                > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                > >
                > > Warm regards,
                > > Regan
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Ted
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > > So you're back with a vengeance
                > > Well I meant a quote.
                > > .
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: masanga@...
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                words of
                > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                > >> reported
                > >> to have said:
                > >>
                > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                > >> fantasies
                > >> into the pit of destruction."
                > >>
                > >> Regan
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ----- Original Message -----
                > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ZetaTalk:
                > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                > >>
                > >> written
                > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Obama
                > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                did on
                > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                in his
                > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                > >> president, what does it mean for the
                > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                Zetas
                > >> have
                > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                would
                > >> like
                > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                and if
                > >> so
                > >> was
                > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                Friday the
                > >> CNN
                > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                "pause"
                > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                to
                > >> comment.
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                heart
                > >> and
                > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                looked
                > >> older
                > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                Yet the
                > >> race
                > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                him
                > >> loss
                > >> of
                > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                already
                > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                and
                > >> what
                > >> the
                > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                did not
                > >> learn
                > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                company
                > >> crimes,
                > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                and
                > >> the
                > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                planetary
                > >> presence
                > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                heard
                > >> the
                > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                to
                > >> him
                > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                confirmation.
                > >> Why would
                > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                > >> boundaries
                > >> are
                > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                and
                > >> how
                > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                > >> decided.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: This
                > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                in the
                > >> future.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                is
                > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                Lincoln
                > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                > >> figuratively?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                recognize
                > >> early
                > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                he
                > >> was
                > >> a
                > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                > >> circumstances
                > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                body
                > >> and
                > >> mind
                > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                conclusion
                > >> that
                > >> they have a new soul within.
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                > >>
                > >> The
                > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                > >>
                > >> Issue 104,
                > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                > >>
                > >> Election
                > >> Results
                > >>
                > >> As predicted by
                > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                state by
                > >> state,
                > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                ended up
                > >> in
                > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                the
                > >> actual
                > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                > >>
                > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                Not
                > >> MOCKED!
                > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
              • nathaniel x vance
                Dear masanga, Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                  Dear masanga,
                  Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                  must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                  rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                  of some kind of powerful medication?
                  I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                  not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                  on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                  shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                  My sympathy.

                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                  Like
                  > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                  especially
                  > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                  not
                  > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                  he
                  > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                  as the
                  > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                  > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                  powerful
                  > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                  able to
                  > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                  perceives
                  > them to be.
                  >
                  > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                  probably
                  > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                  his
                  > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                  man, I
                  > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                  in
                  > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                  > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                  of
                  > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                  > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                  > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                  that
                  > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                  > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                  saviour
                  > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                  can
                  > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                  >
                  > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                  of the
                  > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                  problem
                  > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                  that is
                  > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                  > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                  free-market
                  > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                  intelligent
                  > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                  collective
                  > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                  >
                  > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                  worshipping
                  > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                  in
                  > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                  > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                  > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                  underlie
                  > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                  torture, for
                  > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                  humanity
                  > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                  Obama and
                  > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                  identified
                  > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                  >
                  > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                  pole
                  > shift too.
                  >
                  > Cheers Ted,
                  > Regan
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Ted
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                  at
                  > times.
                  > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                  > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                  the
                  > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                  And by
                  > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  >
                  > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                  mae,
                  > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                  would
                  > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                  into
                  > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                  and
                  > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                  things.
                  > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                  for
                  > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  friends.
                  > Good to see you're back.
                  > Later...
                  > Ted
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: masanga@...
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > > Hi Ted,
                  > >
                  > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  to get
                  > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  eventually
                  > > got
                  > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                  my
                  > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                  and was
                  > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                  forum
                  > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                  of
                  > > Barack
                  > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                  them. The
                  > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                  joy in
                  > > the
                  > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                  age has
                  > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  > > world-historic
                  > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                  Why
                  > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  > >
                  > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  election
                  > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  politicians
                  > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                  that
                  > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  constitutes
                  > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                  the
                  > > whole
                  > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  > > Lambremont
                  > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                  remove
                  > > the
                  > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                  > > myself
                  > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                  > >
                  > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  found no
                  > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                  from
                  > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  whenever I
                  > > am
                  > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                  that
                  > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                  want to
                  > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                  may be.
                  > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                  Zeta -
                  > > on
                  > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                  among us
                  > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                  So my
                  > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                  > > fact -
                  > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                  > > activity
                  > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                  > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                  do
                  > > that
                  > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  natural
                  > > consequences of doing it.
                  > >
                  > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  now
                  > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  > >
                  > > Warm regards,
                  > > Regan
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Ted
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  > > Well I meant a quote.
                  > > .
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: masanga@...
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  words of
                  > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                  > >> reported
                  > >> to have said:
                  > >>
                  > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  > >> fantasies
                  > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  > >>
                  > >> Regan
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >> ZetaTalk:
                  > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  > >>
                  > >> written
                  > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  > >>
                  > >> Questioner: Obama
                  > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                  did on
                  > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                  in his
                  > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                  > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                  Zetas
                  > >> have
                  > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                  would
                  > >> like
                  > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                  and if
                  > >> so
                  > >> was
                  > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                  Friday the
                  > >> CNN
                  > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  "pause"
                  > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                  to
                  > >> comment.
                  > >>
                  > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                  > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                  heart
                  > >> and
                  > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                  looked
                  > >> older
                  > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                  > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                  Yet the
                  > >> race
                  > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                  him
                  > >> loss
                  > >> of
                  > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                  already
                  > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                  and
                  > >> what
                  > >> the
                  > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                  did not
                  > >> learn
                  > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                  company
                  > >> crimes,
                  > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                  and
                  > >> the
                  > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  planetary
                  > >> presence
                  > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                  heard
                  > >> the
                  > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                  to
                  > >> him
                  > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  confirmation.
                  > >> Why would
                  > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                  > >> boundaries
                  > >> are
                  > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                  and
                  > >> how
                  > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                  > >> decided.
                  > >>
                  > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  > >>
                  > >> Zeta response: This
                  > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                  in the
                  > >> future.
                  > >>
                  > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                  is
                  > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                  Lincoln
                  > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  > >> figuratively?
                  > >>
                  > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  recognize
                  > >> early
                  > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                  he
                  > >> was
                  > >> a
                  > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                  > >> circumstances
                  > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                  body
                  > >> and
                  > >> mind
                  > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  conclusion
                  > >> that
                  > >> they have a new soul within.
                  > >>
                  > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  > >>
                  > >> The
                  > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  > >>
                  > >> Issue 104,
                  > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  > >>
                  > >> Election
                  > >> Results
                  > >>
                  > >> As predicted by
                  > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                  state by
                  > >> state,
                  > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                  ended up
                  > >> in
                  > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                  the
                  > >> actual
                  > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  > >>
                  > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  > >>
                  > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                  Not
                  > >> MOCKED!
                  > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ------------------------------------
                  >
                • nathaniel x vance
                  Dear masanga, I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of seven.
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                    Dear masanga,
                    I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                    your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                    seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                    crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                    your answer be?
                    Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                    someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                    you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                    UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                    to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                    his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                    would qualify.
                    As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                    level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                    Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Dear Nathaniel,
                    >
                    > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    certain
                    > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                    > wicked...."
                    >
                    > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                    of our
                    > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                    else
                    > in this respect.
                    >
                    > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                    win
                    > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                    >
                    > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                    needing any
                    > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                    "seemingly
                    > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                    seemed to
                    > have a clear run to me.
                    >
                    > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                    >
                    > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                    about
                    > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                    >
                    > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                    praises
                    > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                    asssisted
                    > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                    protected
                    > around the clock 24/7!!"
                    >
                    > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                    > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                    in
                    > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                    > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                    to
                    > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                    > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                    system
                    > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                    the
                    > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                    the
                    > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                    > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                    office
                    > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                    for
                    > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                    >
                    > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                    She is
                    > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                    for the
                    > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                    >
                    > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                    I see
                    > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                    as you
                    > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                    > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                    think she
                    > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                    independent
                    > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                    the
                    > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                    anonymous
                    > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                    sheer
                    > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                    the
                    > terms.
                    >
                    > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                    and
                    > sconld...."
                    >
                    > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                    scold
                    > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                    and
                    > objectively.
                    >
                    > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                    morbid
                    > intransigence...."
                    >
                    > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                    compromise" and
                    > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                    to
                    > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                    what
                    > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                    she
                    > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                    But
                    > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                    >
                    > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                    of
                    > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                    > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                    >
                    > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                    we? Or
                    > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                    > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                    she has
                    > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                    you
                    > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                    can
                    > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                    an
                    > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                    even
                    > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                    It is
                    > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                    to pay
                    > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                    high for
                    > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                    > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                    > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                    > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                    lie the
                    > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                    > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                    >
                    > Regards,
                    > Regan
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > Dear Regan, Ted,
                    > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                    > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                    > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                    > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                    > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                    > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                    this
                    > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                    > 24/7!!
                    > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                    > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                    consciousness
                    > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                    > and sconld.
                    > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                    > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                    or
                    > less!
                    > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                    >
                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                    bitch
                    > at
                    > > times.
                    > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                    > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                    > the
                    > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                    count.
                    > And by
                    > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    > >
                    > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                    FANNIE
                    > mae,
                    > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                    > would
                    > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                    > into
                    > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                    idea,
                    > and
                    > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                    > things.
                    > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                    name
                    > for
                    > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    > friends.
                    > > Good to see you're back.
                    > > Later...
                    > > Ted
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: masanga@
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > > Hi Ted,
                    > > >
                    > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    > to get
                    > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    > eventually
                    > > > got
                    > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                    in
                    > my
                    > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                    > and was
                    > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                    > forum
                    > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                    > of
                    > > > Barack
                    > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                    > them. The
                    > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                    > joy in
                    > > > the
                    > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                    > age has
                    > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    > > > world-historic
                    > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                    here.
                    > Why
                    > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    > > >
                    > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    > election
                    > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    > politicians
                    > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                    > that
                    > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    > constitutes
                    > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                    > the
                    > > > whole
                    > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                    > > > Lambremont
                    > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                    > remove
                    > > > the
                    > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                    anything
                    > > > myself
                    > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                    > > >
                    > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    > found no
                    > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                    > from
                    > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    > whenever I
                    > > > am
                    > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                    > that
                    > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                    > want to
                    > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                    > may be.
                    > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                    > Zeta -
                    > > > on
                    > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                    > among us
                    > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                    > So my
                    > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                    in
                    > > > fact -
                    > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                    > > > activity
                    > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                    their
                    > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                    > do
                    > > > that
                    > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    > natural
                    > > > consequences of doing it.
                    > > >
                    > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    > now
                    > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    > > >
                    > > > Warm regards,
                    > > > Regan
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > From: Ted
                    > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    > > > Well I meant a quote.
                    > > > .
                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > > From: masanga@
                    > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                    [11-08-08]
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    > words of
                    > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                    > > >> reported
                    > > >> to have said:
                    > > >>
                    > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    > > >> fantasies
                    > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    > > >>
                    > > >> Regan
                    > > >>
                    > > >>
                    > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > > >>
                    > > >>
                    > > >>
                    > > >>
                    > > >> ZetaTalk:
                    > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    > > >>
                    > > >> written
                    > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    > > >>
                    > > >> Questioner: Obama
                    > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                    > did on
                    > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                    > in his
                    > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                    new
                    > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                    The
                    > Zetas
                    > > >> have
                    > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                    > would
                    > > >> like
                    > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                    > and if
                    > > >> so
                    > > >> was
                    > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                    > Friday the
                    > > >> CNN
                    > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    > "pause"
                    > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                    > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                    declined
                    > to
                    > > >> comment.
                    > > >>
                    > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                    consensus
                    > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                    > heart
                    > > >> and
                    > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                    Obama
                    > looked
                    > > >> older
                    > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                    > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                    > Yet the
                    > > >> race
                    > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                    causing
                    > him
                    > > >> loss
                    > > >> of
                    > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                    > already
                    > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                    > and
                    > > >> what
                    > > >> the
                    > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                    > did not
                    > > >> learn
                    > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                    > company
                    > > >> crimes,
                    > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                    FBI
                    > and
                    > > >> the
                    > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    > planetary
                    > > >> presence
                    > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                    had
                    > heard
                    > > >> the
                    > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                    relayed
                    > to
                    > > >> him
                    > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    > confirmation.
                    > > >> Why would
                    > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                    > > >> boundaries
                    > > >> are
                    > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                    cover-up,
                    > and
                    > > >> how
                    > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                    been
                    > > >> decided.
                    > > >>
                    > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    > > >>
                    > > >> Zeta response: This
                    > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                    > in the
                    > > >> future.
                    > > >>
                    > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                    He
                    > is
                    > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                    > Lincoln
                    > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    > > >> figuratively?
                    > > >>
                    > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    > recognize
                    > > >> early
                    > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                    case,
                    > he
                    > > >> was
                    > > >> a
                    > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                    > > >> circumstances
                    > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                    > body
                    > > >> and
                    > > >> mind
                    > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    > conclusion
                    > > >> that
                    > > >> they have a new soul within.
                    > > >>
                    > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    > > >>
                    > > >> The
                    > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    > > >>
                    > > >> Issue 104,
                    > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    > > >>
                    > > >> Election
                    > > >> Results
                    > > >>
                    > > >> As predicted by
                    > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                    > state by
                    > > >> state,
                    > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                    > ended up
                    > > >> in
                    > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                    > the
                    > > >> actual
                    > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    > > >>
                    > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    > > >>
                    > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                    > Not
                    > > >> MOCKED!
                    > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > ------------------------------------
                    >



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                  • masanga@talktalk.net
                    Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                      Nathaniel,

                      The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
                      situation. You are evading the issue.

                      Regan


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: nathaniel x vance
                      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
                      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                      Dear masanga,
                      Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                      must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                      rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                      of some kind of powerful medication?
                      I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                      not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                      on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                      shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                      My sympathy.

                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                      Like
                      > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                      especially
                      > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                      not
                      > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                      he
                      > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                      as the
                      > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                      > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                      powerful
                      > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                      able to
                      > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                      perceives
                      > them to be.
                      >
                      > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                      probably
                      > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                      his
                      > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                      man, I
                      > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                      in
                      > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                      > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                      of
                      > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                      > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                      > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                      that
                      > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                      > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                      saviour
                      > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                      can
                      > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                      >
                      > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                      of the
                      > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                      problem
                      > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                      that is
                      > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                      > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                      free-market
                      > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                      intelligent
                      > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                      collective
                      > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                      >
                      > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                      worshipping
                      > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                      in
                      > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                      > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                      > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                      underlie
                      > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                      torture, for
                      > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                      humanity
                      > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                      Obama and
                      > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                      identified
                      > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                      >
                      > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                      pole
                      > shift too.
                      >
                      > Cheers Ted,
                      > Regan
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: Ted
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                      at
                      > times.
                      > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                      > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                      the
                      > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                      And by
                      > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      >
                      > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                      mae,
                      > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                      would
                      > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                      into
                      > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                      and
                      > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                      things.
                      > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                      for
                      > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      friends.
                      > Good to see you're back.
                      > Later...
                      > Ted
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: masanga@...
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > > Hi Ted,
                      > >
                      > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      to get
                      > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      eventually
                      > > got
                      > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                      my
                      > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                      and was
                      > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                      forum
                      > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                      of
                      > > Barack
                      > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                      them. The
                      > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                      joy in
                      > > the
                      > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                      age has
                      > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      > > world-historic
                      > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                      Why
                      > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      > >
                      > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      election
                      > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      politicians
                      > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                      that
                      > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      constitutes
                      > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                      the
                      > > whole
                      > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                      > > Lambremont
                      > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                      remove
                      > > the
                      > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                      > > myself
                      > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                      > >
                      > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      found no
                      > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                      from
                      > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      whenever I
                      > > am
                      > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                      that
                      > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                      want to
                      > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                      may be.
                      > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                      Zeta -
                      > > on
                      > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                      among us
                      > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                      So my
                      > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                      > > fact -
                      > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                      > > activity
                      > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                      > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                      do
                      > > that
                      > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      natural
                      > > consequences of doing it.
                      > >
                      > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      now
                      > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      > >
                      > > Warm regards,
                      > > Regan
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: Ted
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      > > Well I meant a quote.
                      > > .
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: masanga@...
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      words of
                      > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                      > >> reported
                      > >> to have said:
                      > >>
                      > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      > >> fantasies
                      > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      > >>
                      > >> Regan
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> ZetaTalk:
                      > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      > >>
                      > >> written
                      > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      > >>
                      > >> Questioner: Obama
                      > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                      did on
                      > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                      in his
                      > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                      > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                      Zetas
                      > >> have
                      > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                      would
                      > >> like
                      > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                      and if
                      > >> so
                      > >> was
                      > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                      Friday the
                      > >> CNN
                      > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      "pause"
                      > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                      > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                      to
                      > >> comment.
                      > >>
                      > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                      > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                      heart
                      > >> and
                      > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                      looked
                      > >> older
                      > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                      > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                      Yet the
                      > >> race
                      > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                      him
                      > >> loss
                      > >> of
                      > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                      already
                      > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                      and
                      > >> what
                      > >> the
                      > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                      did not
                      > >> learn
                      > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                      company
                      > >> crimes,
                      > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                      and
                      > >> the
                      > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      planetary
                      > >> presence
                      > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                      heard
                      > >> the
                      > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                      to
                      > >> him
                      > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      confirmation.
                      > >> Why would
                      > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                      > >> boundaries
                      > >> are
                      > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                      and
                      > >> how
                      > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                      > >> decided.
                      > >>
                      > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      > >>
                      > >> Zeta response: This
                      > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                      in the
                      > >> future.
                      > >>
                      > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                      is
                      > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                      Lincoln
                      > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      > >> figuratively?
                      > >>
                      > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      recognize
                      > >> early
                      > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                      he
                      > >> was
                      > >> a
                      > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                      > >> circumstances
                      > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                      body
                      > >> and
                      > >> mind
                      > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      conclusion
                      > >> that
                      > >> they have a new soul within.
                      > >>
                      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      > >>
                      > >> The
                      > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      > >>
                      > >> Issue 104,
                      > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      > >>
                      > >> Election
                      > >> Results
                      > >>
                      > >> As predicted by
                      > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                      state by
                      > >> state,
                      > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                      ended up
                      > >> in
                      > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                      the
                      > >> actual
                      > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      > >>
                      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      > >>
                      > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                      Not
                      > >> MOCKED!
                      > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ------------------------------------
                    • masanga@talktalk.net
                      Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                      Message 10 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                        Nathaniel,

                        I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
                        mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                        compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                        extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
                        unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
                        and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
                        they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                        automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
                        that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
                        Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
                        come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
                        this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
                        and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                        confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
                        to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
                        down to absolute zero in time.

                        I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
                        from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
                        want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
                        first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
                        that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

                        Sincerely,
                        Regan (masanga)


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: nathaniel x vance
                        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                        Dear masanga,
                        I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                        your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                        seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                        crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                        your answer be?
                        Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                        someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                        you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                        UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                        to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                        his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                        would qualify.
                        As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                        level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                        Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Dear Nathaniel,
                        >
                        > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        certain
                        > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                        > wicked...."
                        >
                        > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                        of our
                        > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                        else
                        > in this respect.
                        >
                        > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                        win
                        > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                        >
                        > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                        needing any
                        > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                        "seemingly
                        > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                        seemed to
                        > have a clear run to me.
                        >
                        > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                        >
                        > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                        about
                        > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                        >
                        > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                        praises
                        > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                        asssisted
                        > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                        protected
                        > around the clock 24/7!!"
                        >
                        > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                        > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                        in
                        > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                        > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                        to
                        > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                        > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                        system
                        > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                        the
                        > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                        the
                        > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                        > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                        office
                        > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                        for
                        > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                        >
                        > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        She is
                        > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                        for the
                        > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                        >
                        > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                        I see
                        > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                        as you
                        > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                        > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                        think she
                        > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                        independent
                        > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                        the
                        > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                        anonymous
                        > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                        sheer
                        > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                        the
                        > terms.
                        >
                        > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                        and
                        > sconld...."
                        >
                        > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                        scold
                        > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                        and
                        > objectively.
                        >
                        > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        morbid
                        > intransigence...."
                        >
                        > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                        compromise" and
                        > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                        to
                        > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                        what
                        > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                        she
                        > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                        But
                        > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                        >
                        > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                        of
                        > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                        > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                        >
                        > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                        we? Or
                        > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                        > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                        she has
                        > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                        you
                        > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                        can
                        > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                        an
                        > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                        even
                        > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                        It is
                        > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                        to pay
                        > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                        high for
                        > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                        > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                        > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                        > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                        lie the
                        > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                        > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        > Regan
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > Dear Regan, Ted,
                        > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                        > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                        > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                        > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                        > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                        > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                        this
                        > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                        > 24/7!!
                        > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                        > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        consciousness
                        > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                        > and sconld.
                        > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                        > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                        or
                        > less!
                        > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                        >
                        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                        bitch
                        > at
                        > > times.
                        > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                        > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                        > the
                        > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                        count.
                        > And by
                        > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        > >
                        > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                        FANNIE
                        > mae,
                        > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                        > would
                        > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                        > into
                        > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                        idea,
                        > and
                        > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                        > things.
                        > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                        name
                        > for
                        > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        > friends.
                        > > Good to see you're back.
                        > > Later...
                        > > Ted
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: masanga@
                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Hi Ted,
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        > to get
                        > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        > eventually
                        > > > got
                        > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                        in
                        > my
                        > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                        > and was
                        > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                        > forum
                        > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                        > of
                        > > > Barack
                        > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                        > them. The
                        > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                        > joy in
                        > > > the
                        > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                        > age has
                        > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        > > > world-historic
                        > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                        here.
                        > Why
                        > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        > > >
                        > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        > election
                        > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        > politicians
                        > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                        > that
                        > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        > constitutes
                        > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                        > the
                        > > > whole
                        > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                        > > > Lambremont
                        > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                        > remove
                        > > > the
                        > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                        anything
                        > > > myself
                        > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                        > > >
                        > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        > found no
                        > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                        > from
                        > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        > whenever I
                        > > > am
                        > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                        > that
                        > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                        > want to
                        > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                        > may be.
                        > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                        > Zeta -
                        > > > on
                        > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                        > among us
                        > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                        > So my
                        > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                        in
                        > > > fact -
                        > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                        > > > activity
                        > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                        their
                        > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                        > do
                        > > > that
                        > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        > natural
                        > > > consequences of doing it.
                        > > >
                        > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        > now
                        > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        > > >
                        > > > Warm regards,
                        > > > Regan
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: Ted
                        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        > > > Well I meant a quote.
                        > > > .
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: masanga@
                        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        > words of
                        > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                        > > >> reported
                        > > >> to have said:
                        > > >>
                        > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        > > >> fantasies
                        > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Regan
                        > > >>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > > >>
                        > > >>
                        > > >>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> ZetaTalk:
                        > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        > > >>
                        > > >> written
                        > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Questioner: Obama
                        > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                        > did on
                        > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                        > in his
                        > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                        new
                        > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                        The
                        > Zetas
                        > > >> have
                        > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                        > would
                        > > >> like
                        > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                        > and if
                        > > >> so
                        > > >> was
                        > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                        > Friday the
                        > > >> CNN
                        > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        > "pause"
                        > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                        > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                        declined
                        > to
                        > > >> comment.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                        consensus
                        > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                        > heart
                        > > >> and
                        > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                        Obama
                        > looked
                        > > >> older
                        > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                        > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                        > Yet the
                        > > >> race
                        > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                        causing
                        > him
                        > > >> loss
                        > > >> of
                        > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                        > already
                        > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                        > and
                        > > >> what
                        > > >> the
                        > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                        > did not
                        > > >> learn
                        > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                        > company
                        > > >> crimes,
                        > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                        FBI
                        > and
                        > > >> the
                        > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        > planetary
                        > > >> presence
                        > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                        had
                        > heard
                        > > >> the
                        > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                        relayed
                        > to
                        > > >> him
                        > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        > confirmation.
                        > > >> Why would
                        > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                        > > >> boundaries
                        > > >> are
                        > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                        cover-up,
                        > and
                        > > >> how
                        > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                        been
                        > > >> decided.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Zeta response: This
                        > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                        > in the
                        > > >> future.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                        He
                        > is
                        > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                        > Lincoln
                        > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                        > > >> figuratively?
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                        > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        > recognize
                        > > >> early
                        > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                        case,
                        > he
                        > > >> was
                        > > >> a
                        > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                        > > >> circumstances
                        > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                        > body
                        > > >> and
                        > > >> mind
                        > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        > conclusion
                        > > >> that
                        > > >> they have a new soul within.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> The
                        > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Issue 104,
                        > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Election
                        > > >> Results
                        > > >>
                        > > >> As predicted by
                        > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                        > state by
                        > > >> state,
                        > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                        > ended up
                        > > >> in
                        > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                        > the
                        > > >> actual
                        > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                        > Not
                        > > >> MOCKED!
                        > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ------------------------------------
                      • nathaniel x vance
                        masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                          masanga,
                          Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                          what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                          masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                          you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                          At any rate, I wish you well.

                          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Nathaniel,
                          >
                          > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                          that my
                          > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                          great
                          > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                          > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                          knowledge,
                          > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                          desires,
                          > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                          as
                          > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                          > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                          said
                          > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                          And
                          > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                          children to
                          > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                          for
                          > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                          long
                          > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                          > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                          encouragement
                          > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                          mental age
                          > down to absolute zero in time.
                          >
                          > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                          break
                          > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                          don't
                          > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                          in the
                          > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                          suggest
                          > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                          >
                          > Sincerely,
                          > Regan (masanga)
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > Dear masanga,
                          > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                          > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                          > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                          > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                          would
                          > your answer be?
                          > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                          > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                          Can
                          > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                          a
                          > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                          > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                          Obama,
                          > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                          earth
                          > would qualify.
                          > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                          > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                          > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                          >
                          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Dear Nathaniel,
                          > >
                          > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          > certain
                          > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                          > > wicked...."
                          > >
                          > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                          > of our
                          > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                          anyone
                          > else
                          > > in this respect.
                          > >
                          > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                          would
                          > win
                          > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                          > >
                          > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                          > needing any
                          > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                          > "seemingly
                          > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                          > seemed to
                          > > have a clear run to me.
                          > >
                          > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                          > >
                          > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                          > about
                          > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                          > >
                          > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                          > praises
                          > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                          > asssisted
                          > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                          > protected
                          > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                          > >
                          > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                          > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                          > in
                          > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                          > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                          up
                          > to
                          > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                          is
                          > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                          > system
                          > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                          where
                          > the
                          > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                          > the
                          > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                          "Emperor").
                          > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                          > office
                          > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                          > for
                          > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                          > >
                          > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          > She is
                          > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                          > for the
                          > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                          > >
                          > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                          > I see
                          > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                          > as you
                          > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                          > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                          > think she
                          > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                          > independent
                          > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                          > the
                          > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                          > anonymous
                          > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                          > sheer
                          > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                          > the
                          > > terms.
                          > >
                          > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                          > and
                          > > sconld...."
                          > >
                          > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                          > scold
                          > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                          > and
                          > > objectively.
                          > >
                          > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                          > morbid
                          > > intransigence...."
                          > >
                          > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                          > compromise" and
                          > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                          us
                          > to
                          > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                          > what
                          > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                          > she
                          > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                          price.
                          > But
                          > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                          > >
                          > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          re-appearance
                          > of
                          > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                          > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          arguments."
                          > >
                          > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                          > we? Or
                          > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                          > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                          > she has
                          > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                          which
                          > you
                          > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                          > can
                          > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                          > an
                          > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                          > even
                          > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                          > It is
                          > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                          > to pay
                          > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                          > high for
                          > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                          > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                          own
                          > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                          > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                          > lie the
                          > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                          > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                          > >
                          > > Regards,
                          > > Regan
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                          > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                          > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                          the
                          > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                          > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                          > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                          be
                          > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                          team
                          > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                          > this
                          > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                          clock
                          > > 24/7!!
                          > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          She
                          > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                          > consciousness
                          > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                          > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                          rediculed
                          > > and sconld.
                          > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                          > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                          > or
                          > > less!
                          > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                          arguments.
                          > >
                          > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                          > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                          > bitch
                          > > at
                          > > > times.
                          > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                          me.
                          > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                          slightest,
                          > > the
                          > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                          > count.
                          > > And by
                          > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                          > > >
                          > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                          > FANNIE
                          > > mae,
                          > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                          > > would
                          > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                          money
                          > > into
                          > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                          > idea,
                          > > and
                          > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                          > > things.
                          > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                          > name
                          > > for
                          > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                          > > friends.
                          > > > Good to see you're back.
                          > > > Later...
                          > > > Ted
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: masanga@
                          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          [11-08-08]
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > Hi Ted,
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                          > > to get
                          > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                          > > eventually
                          > > > > got
                          > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                          me
                          > in
                          > > my
                          > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                          days
                          > > and was
                          > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                          > > forum
                          > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                          election
                          > > of
                          > > > > Barack
                          > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                          > > them. The
                          > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                          of
                          > > joy in
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                          new
                          > > age has
                          > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                          > > > > world-historic
                          > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                          > here.
                          > > Why
                          > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                          > > election
                          > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                          > > politicians
                          > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                          view
                          > > that
                          > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                          > > constitutes
                          > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                          > > the
                          > > > > whole
                          > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                          > > > > Lambremont
                          > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                          to
                          > > remove
                          > > > > the
                          > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                          > anything
                          > > > > myself
                          > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                          either.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                          > > found no
                          > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                          myself
                          > > from
                          > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                          > > whenever I
                          > > > > am
                          > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                          > > that
                          > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                          don't
                          > > want to
                          > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                          spectacle
                          > > may be.
                          > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                          the
                          > > Zeta -
                          > > > > on
                          > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                          those
                          > > among us
                          > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                          it.
                          > > So my
                          > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                          warning
                          > in
                          > > > > fact -
                          > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                          cult-building
                          > > > > activity
                          > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                          > their
                          > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                          to
                          > > do
                          > > > > that
                          > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                          > > natural
                          > > > > consequences of doing it.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                          > > now
                          > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Warm regards,
                          > > > > Regan
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > From: Ted
                          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > [11-08-08]
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                          > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                          > > > > .
                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > > From: masanga@
                          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          > [11-08-08]
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                          > > words of
                          > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                          is
                          > > > >> reported
                          > > > >> to have said:
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                          > > > >> fantasies
                          > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Regan
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                          > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                          > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> written
                          > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                          > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                          he
                          > > did on
                          > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                          out
                          > > in his
                          > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                          > new
                          > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                          > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                          > The
                          > > Zetas
                          > > > >> have
                          > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                          > > would
                          > > > >> like
                          > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                          > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                          X,
                          > > and if
                          > > > >> so
                          > > > >> was
                          > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                          > > Friday the
                          > > > >> CNN
                          > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                          > > "pause"
                          > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                          > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                          > declined
                          > > to
                          > > > >> comment.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                          > consensus
                          > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                          his
                          > > heart
                          > > > >> and
                          > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                          > Obama
                          > > looked
                          > > > >> older
                          > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                          the
                          > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                          candidacy.
                          > > Yet the
                          > > > >> race
                          > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                          > causing
                          > > him
                          > > > >> loss
                          > > > >> of
                          > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                          > > already
                          > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                          world
                          > > and
                          > > > >> what
                          > > > >> the
                          > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                          also
                          > > did not
                          > > > >> learn
                          > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                          > > company
                          > > > >> crimes,
                          > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                          > FBI
                          > > and
                          > > > >> the
                          > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                          > > planetary
                          > > > >> presence
                          > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                          > had
                          > > heard
                          > > > >> the
                          > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                          > relayed
                          > > to
                          > > > >> him
                          > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                          > > confirmation.
                          > > > >> Why would
                          > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                          US
                          > > > >> boundaries
                          > > > >> are
                          > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                          > cover-up,
                          > > and
                          > > > >> how
                          > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                          > been
                          > > > >> decided.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                          > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Zeta response: This
                          > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                          options
                          > > in the
                          > > > >> future.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                          > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                          beliefs?
                          > He
                          > > is
                          > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                          > > Lincoln
                          > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                          > > > >> figuratively?
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                          > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                          > > recognize
                          > > > >> early
                          > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                          > case,
                          > > he
                          > > > >> was
                          > > > >> a
                          > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                          life
                          > > > >> circumstances
                          > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                          human
                          > > body
                          > > > >> and
                          > > > >> mind
                          > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                          > > conclusion
                          > > > >> that
                          > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> The
                          > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Issue 104,
                          > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> Election
                          > > > >> Results
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> As predicted by
                          > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                          > > state by
                          > > > >> state,
                          > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                          > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                          > > ended up
                          > > > >> in
                          > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                          to
                          > > the
                          > > > >> actual
                          > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                          > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                          > > > >>
                          > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                          is
                          > > Not
                          > > > >> MOCKED!
                          > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                          > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > ------------------------------------
                          >
                        • masanga@talktalk.net
                          Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
                          Message 12 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                            Nathaniel,

                            Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

                            You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                            Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
                            me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                            whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                            multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                            must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                            only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

                            Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                            commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                            acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                            view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
                            can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

                            But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                            know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
                            it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
                            me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                            business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                            commission without concerning myself with his too.

                            Regan (masanga)


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: nathaniel x vance
                            To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                            Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                            masanga,
                            Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                            what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                            masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                            you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                            At any rate, I wish you well.

                            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Nathaniel,
                            >
                            > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                            that my
                            > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                            great
                            > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                            > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                            knowledge,
                            > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                            desires,
                            > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                            as
                            > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                            > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                            said
                            > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                            And
                            > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                            children to
                            > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                            for
                            > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                            long
                            > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                            > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                            encouragement
                            > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                            mental age
                            > down to absolute zero in time.
                            >
                            > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                            break
                            > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                            don't
                            > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                            in the
                            > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                            suggest
                            > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                            >
                            > Sincerely,
                            > Regan (masanga)
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            > Dear masanga,
                            > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                            > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                            > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                            > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                            would
                            > your answer be?
                            > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                            > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                            Can
                            > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                            a
                            > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                            > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                            Obama,
                            > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                            earth
                            > would qualify.
                            > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                            > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                            > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                            >
                            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Dear Nathaniel,
                            > >
                            > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            > certain
                            > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                            > > wicked...."
                            > >
                            > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                            > of our
                            > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                            anyone
                            > else
                            > > in this respect.
                            > >
                            > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                            would
                            > win
                            > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                            > >
                            > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                            > needing any
                            > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                            > "seemingly
                            > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                            > seemed to
                            > > have a clear run to me.
                            > >
                            > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                            > >
                            > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                            > about
                            > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                            > >
                            > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                            > praises
                            > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                            > asssisted
                            > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                            > protected
                            > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                            > >
                            > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                            > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                            > in
                            > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                            > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                            up
                            > to
                            > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                            is
                            > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                            > system
                            > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                            where
                            > the
                            > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                            > the
                            > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                            "Emperor").
                            > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                            > office
                            > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                            > for
                            > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                            > >
                            > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                            > She is
                            > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                            > for the
                            > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                            > >
                            > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                            > I see
                            > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                            > as you
                            > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                            > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                            > think she
                            > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                            > independent
                            > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                            > the
                            > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                            > anonymous
                            > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                            > sheer
                            > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                            > the
                            > > terms.
                            > >
                            > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                            > and
                            > > sconld...."
                            > >
                            > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                            > scold
                            > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                            > and
                            > > objectively.
                            > >
                            > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                            > morbid
                            > > intransigence...."
                            > >
                            > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                            > compromise" and
                            > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                            us
                            > to
                            > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                            > what
                            > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                            > she
                            > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                            price.
                            > But
                            > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                            > >
                            > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            re-appearance
                            > of
                            > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                            > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            arguments."
                            > >
                            > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                            > we? Or
                            > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                            > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                            > she has
                            > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                            which
                            > you
                            > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                            > can
                            > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                            > an
                            > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                            > even
                            > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                            > It is
                            > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                            > to pay
                            > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                            > high for
                            > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                            > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                            own
                            > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                            > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                            > lie the
                            > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                            > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                            > >
                            > > Regards,
                            > > Regan
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                            > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                            > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                            the
                            > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                            > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                            > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                            be
                            > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                            team
                            > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                            > this
                            > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                            clock
                            > > 24/7!!
                            > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                            She
                            > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                            > consciousness
                            > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                            > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                            rediculed
                            > > and sconld.
                            > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                            > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                            > or
                            > > less!
                            > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                            arguments.
                            > >
                            > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                            > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                            > bitch
                            > > at
                            > > > times.
                            > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                            me.
                            > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                            slightest,
                            > > the
                            > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                            > count.
                            > > And by
                            > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                            > > >
                            > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                            > FANNIE
                            > > mae,
                            > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                            > > would
                            > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                            money
                            > > into
                            > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                            > idea,
                            > > and
                            > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                            > > things.
                            > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                            > name
                            > > for
                            > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                            > > friends.
                            > > > Good to see you're back.
                            > > > Later...
                            > > > Ted
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: masanga@
                            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                            > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > > Hi Ted,
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                            > > to get
                            > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                            > > eventually
                            > > > > got
                            > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                            me
                            > in
                            > > my
                            > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                            days
                            > > and was
                            > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                            > > forum
                            > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                            election
                            > > of
                            > > > > Barack
                            > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                            > > them. The
                            > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                            of
                            > > joy in
                            > > > > the
                            > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                            new
                            > > age has
                            > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                            > > > > world-historic
                            > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                            > here.
                            > > Why
                            > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                            > > election
                            > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                            > > politicians
                            > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                            view
                            > > that
                            > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                            > > constitutes
                            > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                            > > the
                            > > > > whole
                            > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                            > > > > Lambremont
                            > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                            to
                            > > remove
                            > > > > the
                            > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                            > anything
                            > > > > myself
                            > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                            either.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                            > > found no
                            > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                            myself
                            > > from
                            > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                            > > whenever I
                            > > > > am
                            > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                            > > that
                            > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                            don't
                            > > want to
                            > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                            spectacle
                            > > may be.
                            > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                            the
                            > > Zeta -
                            > > > > on
                            > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                            those
                            > > among us
                            > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                            it.
                            > > So my
                            > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                            warning
                            > in
                            > > > > fact -
                            > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                            cult-building
                            > > > > activity
                            > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                            > their
                            > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                            to
                            > > do
                            > > > > that
                            > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                            > > natural
                            > > > > consequences of doing it.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                            > > now
                            > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                            > > > >
                            > > > > Warm regards,
                            > > > > Regan
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > From: Ted
                            > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                            > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            > [11-08-08]
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                            > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                            > > > > .
                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > > From: masanga@
                            > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                            > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            > [11-08-08]
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                            > > words of
                            > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                            is
                            > > > >> reported
                            > > > >> to have said:
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                            > > > >> fantasies
                            > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> Regan
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                            > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                            > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> written
                            > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                            > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                            he
                            > > did on
                            > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                            out
                            > > in his
                            > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                            > new
                            > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                            > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                            > The
                            > > Zetas
                            > > > >> have
                            > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                            > > would
                            > > > >> like
                            > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                            > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                            X,
                            > > and if
                            > > > >> so
                            > > > >> was
                            > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                            > > Friday the
                            > > > >> CNN
                            > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                            > > "pause"
                            > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                            > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                            > declined
                            > > to
                            > > > >> comment.
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                            > consensus
                            > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                            his
                            > > heart
                            > > > >> and
                            > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                            > Obama
                            > > looked
                            > > > >> older
                            > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                            the
                            > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                            candidacy.
                            > > Yet the
                            > > > >> race
                            > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                            > causing
                            > > him
                            > > > >> loss
                            > > > >> of
                            > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                            > > already
                            > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                            world
                            > > and
                            > > > >> what
                            > > > >> the
                            > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                            also
                            > > did not
                            > > > >> learn
                            > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                            > > company
                            > > > >> crimes,
                            > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                            > FBI
                            > > and
                            > > > >> the
                            > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                            > > planetary
                            > > > >> presence
                            > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                            > had
                            > > heard
                            > > > >> the
                            > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                            > relayed
                            > > to
                            > > > >> him
                            > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                            > > confirmation.
                            > > > >> Why would
                            > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                            US
                            > > > >> boundaries
                            > > > >> are
                            > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                            > cover-up,
                            > > and
                            > > > >> how
                            > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                            > been
                            > > > >> decided.
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                            > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> Zeta response: This
                            > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                            options
                            > > in the
                            > > > >> future.
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                            > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                            beliefs?
                            > He
                            > > is
                            > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                            > > Lincoln
                            > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                            > > > >> figuratively?
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                            > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                            > > recognize
                            > > > >> early
                            > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                            > case,
                            > > he
                            > > > >> was
                            > > > >> a
                            > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                            life
                            > > > >> circumstances
                            > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                            human
                            > > body
                            > > > >> and
                            > > > >> mind
                            > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                            > > conclusion
                            > > > >> that
                            > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> The
                            > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> Issue 104,
                            > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> Election
                            > > > >> Results
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> As predicted by
                            > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                            > > state by
                            > > > >> state,
                            > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                            > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                            > > ended up
                            > > > >> in
                            > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                            to
                            > > the
                            > > > >> actual
                            > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                            > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                            > > > >>
                            > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                            is
                            > > Not
                            > > > >> MOCKED!
                            > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                            > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > ------------------------------------
                          • Ted
                            You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his head ... From: To: Sent:
                            Message 13 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                              You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                              head
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: <masanga@...>
                              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                              > Nathaniel,
                              >
                              > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                              >
                              > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                              > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                              > of
                              > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                              > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                              > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                              > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                              > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                              >
                              > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                              > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                              > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                              > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                              > he
                              > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                              >
                              > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                              > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                              > date
                              > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                              > to
                              > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                              > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                              > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                              >
                              > Regan (masanga)
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >
                              >
                              > masanga,
                              > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                              > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                              > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                              > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                              > At any rate, I wish you well.
                              >
                              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                              >>
                              >> Nathaniel,
                              >>
                              >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                              > that my
                              >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                              > great
                              >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                              >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                              > knowledge,
                              >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                              > desires,
                              >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                              > as
                              >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                              >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                              > said
                              >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                              > And
                              >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                              > children to
                              >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                              > for
                              >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                              > long
                              >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                              >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                              > encouragement
                              >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                              > mental age
                              >> down to absolute zero in time.
                              >>
                              >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                              > break
                              >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                              > don't
                              >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                              > in the
                              >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                              > suggest
                              >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                              >>
                              >> Sincerely,
                              >> Regan (masanga)
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                              >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> Dear masanga,
                              >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                              >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                              >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                              >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                              > would
                              >> your answer be?
                              >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                              >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                              > Can
                              >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                              > a
                              >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                              >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                              > Obama,
                              >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                              > earth
                              >> would qualify.
                              >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                              >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                              >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                              >>
                              >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                              >> >
                              >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                              >> >
                              >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              >> certain
                              >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                              >> > wicked...."
                              >> >
                              >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                              >> of our
                              >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                              > anyone
                              >> else
                              >> > in this respect.
                              >> >
                              >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                              > would
                              >> win
                              >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                              >> >
                              >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                              >> needing any
                              >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                              >> "seemingly
                              >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                              >> seemed to
                              >> > have a clear run to me.
                              >> >
                              >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                              >> >
                              >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                              >> about
                              >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                              >> >
                              >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                              >> praises
                              >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                              >> asssisted
                              >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                              >> protected
                              >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                              >> >
                              >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                              >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                              >> in
                              >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                              >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                              > up
                              >> to
                              >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                              > is
                              >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                              >> system
                              >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                              > where
                              >> the
                              >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                              >> the
                              >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                              > "Emperor").
                              >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                              >> office
                              >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                              >> for
                              >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                              >> >
                              >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                              >> She is
                              >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                              >> for the
                              >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                              >> >
                              >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                              >> I see
                              >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                              >> as you
                              >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                              >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                              >> think she
                              >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                              >> independent
                              >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                              >> the
                              >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                              >> anonymous
                              >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                              >> sheer
                              >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                              >> the
                              >> > terms.
                              >> >
                              >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                              >> and
                              >> > sconld...."
                              >> >
                              >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                              >> scold
                              >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                              >> and
                              >> > objectively.
                              >> >
                              >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              >> morbid
                              >> > intransigence...."
                              >> >
                              >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                              >> compromise" and
                              >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                              > us
                              >> to
                              >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                              >> what
                              >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                              >> she
                              >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                              > price.
                              >> But
                              >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                              >> >
                              >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > re-appearance
                              >> of
                              >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                              >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > arguments."
                              >> >
                              >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                              >> we? Or
                              >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                              >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                              >> she has
                              >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                              > which
                              >> you
                              >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                              >> can
                              >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                              >> an
                              >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                              >> even
                              >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                              >> It is
                              >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                              >> to pay
                              >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                              >> high for
                              >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                              >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                              > own
                              >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                              >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                              >> lie the
                              >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                              >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                              >> >
                              >> > Regards,
                              >> > Regan
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> > ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                              >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                              >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >> >
                              >> >
                              >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                              >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                              > the
                              >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                              >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                              >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                              > be
                              >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                              > team
                              >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                              >> this
                              >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                              > clock
                              >> > 24/7!!
                              >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                              > She
                              >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              >> consciousness
                              >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                              >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                              > rediculed
                              >> > and sconld.
                              >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                              >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                              >> or
                              >> > less!
                              >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              > arguments.
                              >> >
                              >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                              >> > >
                              >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                              >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                              >> bitch
                              >> > at
                              >> > > times.
                              >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                              > me.
                              >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                              > slightest,
                              >> > the
                              >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                              >> count.
                              >> > And by
                              >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                              >> > >
                              >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                              >> FANNIE
                              >> > mae,
                              >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                              >> > would
                              >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                              > money
                              >> > into
                              >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                              >> idea,
                              >> > and
                              >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                              >> > things.
                              >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                              >> name
                              >> > for
                              >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                              >> > friends.
                              >> > > Good to see you're back.
                              >> > > Later...
                              >> > > Ted
                              >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > > From: masanga@
                              >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                              >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > [11-08-08]
                              >> > >
                              >> > >
                              >> > > > Hi Ted,
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                              >> > to get
                              >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                              >> > eventually
                              >> > > > got
                              >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                              > me
                              >> in
                              >> > my
                              >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                              > days
                              >> > and was
                              >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                              >> > forum
                              >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                              > election
                              >> > of
                              >> > > > Barack
                              >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                              >> > them. The
                              >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                              > of
                              >> > joy in
                              >> > > > the
                              >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                              > new
                              >> > age has
                              >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                              >> > > > world-historic
                              >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                              >> here.
                              >> > Why
                              >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                              >> > election
                              >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                              >> > politicians
                              >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                              > view
                              >> > that
                              >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                              >> > constitutes
                              >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                              >> > the
                              >> > > > whole
                              >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                              >> > > > Lambremont
                              >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                              > to
                              >> > remove
                              >> > > > the
                              >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                              >> anything
                              >> > > > myself
                              >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                              > either.
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                              >> > found no
                              >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                              > myself
                              >> > from
                              >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                              >> > whenever I
                              >> > > > am
                              >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                              >> > that
                              >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                              > don't
                              >> > want to
                              >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                              > spectacle
                              >> > may be.
                              >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                              > the
                              >> > Zeta -
                              >> > > > on
                              >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                              > those
                              >> > among us
                              >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                              > it.
                              >> > So my
                              >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                              > warning
                              >> in
                              >> > > > fact -
                              >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                              > cult-building
                              >> > > > activity
                              >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                              >> their
                              >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                              > to
                              >> > do
                              >> > > > that
                              >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                              >> > natural
                              >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                              >> > now
                              >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > Warm regards,
                              >> > > > Regan
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > > > From: Ted
                              >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                              >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              >> [11-08-08]
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                              >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                              >> > > > .
                              >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > > > From: masanga@
                              >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                              >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              >> [11-08-08]
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                              >> > words of
                              >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                              > is
                              >> > > >> reported
                              >> > > >> to have said:
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                              >> > > >> fantasies
                              >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Regan
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                              >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                              >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                              >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                              >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> written
                              >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                              >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                              > he
                              >> > did on
                              >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                              > out
                              >> > in his
                              >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                              >> new
                              >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                              >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                              >> The
                              >> > Zetas
                              >> > > >> have
                              >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                              >> > would
                              >> > > >> like
                              >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                              >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                              > X,
                              >> > and if
                              >> > > >> so
                              >> > > >> was
                              >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                              >> > Friday the
                              >> > > >> CNN
                              >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                              >> > "pause"
                              >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                              >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                              >> declined
                              >> > to
                              >> > > >> comment.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                              >> consensus
                              >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                              > his
                              >> > heart
                              >> > > >> and
                              >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                              >> Obama
                              >> > looked
                              >> > > >> older
                              >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                              > the
                              >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                              > candidacy.
                              >> > Yet the
                              >> > > >> race
                              >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                              >> causing
                              >> > him
                              >> > > >> loss
                              >> > > >> of
                              >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                              >> > already
                              >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                              > world
                              >> > and
                              >> > > >> what
                              >> > > >> the
                              >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                              > also
                              >> > did not
                              >> > > >> learn
                              >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                              >> > company
                              >> > > >> crimes,
                              >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                              >> FBI
                              >> > and
                              >> > > >> the
                              >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                              >> > planetary
                              >> > > >> presence
                              >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                              >> had
                              >> > heard
                              >> > > >> the
                              >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                              >> relayed
                              >> > to
                              >> > > >> him
                              >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                              >> > confirmation.
                              >> > > >> Why would
                              >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                              > US
                              >> > > >> boundaries
                              >> > > >> are
                              >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                              >> cover-up,
                              >> > and
                              >> > > >> how
                              >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                              >> been
                              >> > > >> decided.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                              >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                              >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                              > options
                              >> > in the
                              >> > > >> future.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                              >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                              > beliefs?
                              >> He
                              >> > is
                              >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                              >> > Lincoln
                              >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                              >> > > >> figuratively?
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                              >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                              >> > recognize
                              >> > > >> early
                              >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                              >> case,
                              >> > he
                              >> > > >> was
                              >> > > >> a
                              >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                              > life
                              >> > > >> circumstances
                              >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                              > human
                              >> > body
                              >> > > >> and
                              >> > > >> mind
                              >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                              >> > conclusion
                              >> > > >> that
                              >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> The
                              >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Issue 104,
                              >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> Election
                              >> > > >> Results
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> As predicted by
                              >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                              >> > state by
                              >> > > >> state,
                              >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                              >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                              >> > ended up
                              >> > > >> in
                              >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                              > to
                              >> > the
                              >> > > >> actual
                              >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                              >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                              >> > > >>
                              >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                              > is
                              >> > Not
                              >> > > >> MOCKED!
                              >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                              >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > >
                              >> > > > ------------------------------------
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                            • masanga@talktalk.net
                              I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
                              Message 14 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                                But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                                understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                                clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                                appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                                concerned.

                                However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                                obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                                should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Ted
                                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                                head
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: <masanga@...>
                                To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                > Nathaniel,
                                >
                                > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                >
                                > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                > of
                                > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                >
                                > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                > he
                                > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                >
                                > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                > date
                                > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                > to
                                > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                >
                                > Regan (masanga)
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >
                                >
                                > masanga,
                                > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                >
                                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                >>
                                >> Nathaniel,
                                >>
                                >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                > that my
                                >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                > great
                                >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                > knowledge,
                                >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                > desires,
                                >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                > as
                                >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                > said
                                >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                > And
                                >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                > children to
                                >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                > for
                                >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                > long
                                >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                > encouragement
                                >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                > mental age
                                >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                >>
                                >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                > break
                                >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                > don't
                                >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                > in the
                                >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                > suggest
                                >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                >>
                                >> Sincerely,
                                >> Regan (masanga)
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> ----- Original Message -----
                                >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> Dear masanga,
                                >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                > would
                                >> your answer be?
                                >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                > Can
                                >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                > a
                                >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                > Obama,
                                >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                > earth
                                >> would qualify.
                                >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                >>
                                >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                >> >
                                >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                >> >
                                >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                >> certain
                                >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                >> > wicked...."
                                >> >
                                >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                >> of our
                                >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                > anyone
                                >> else
                                >> > in this respect.
                                >> >
                                >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                > would
                                >> win
                                >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                >> >
                                >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                >> needing any
                                >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                >> "seemingly
                                >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                >> seemed to
                                >> > have a clear run to me.
                                >> >
                                >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                >> >
                                >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                >> about
                                >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                >> >
                                >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                >> praises
                                >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                >> asssisted
                                >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                >> protected
                                >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                >> >
                                >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                >> in
                                >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                > up
                                >> to
                                >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                > is
                                >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                >> system
                                >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                > where
                                >> the
                                >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                >> the
                                >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                > "Emperor").
                                >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                >> office
                                >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                >> for
                                >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                >> >
                                >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                >> She is
                                >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                >> for the
                                >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                >> >
                                >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                >> I see
                                >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                >> as you
                                >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                >> think she
                                >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                >> independent
                                >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                >> the
                                >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                >> anonymous
                                >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                >> sheer
                                >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                >> the
                                >> > terms.
                                >> >
                                >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                >> and
                                >> > sconld...."
                                >> >
                                >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                >> scold
                                >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                >> and
                                >> > objectively.
                                >> >
                                >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                >> morbid
                                >> > intransigence...."
                                >> >
                                >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                >> compromise" and
                                >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                > us
                                >> to
                                >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                >> what
                                >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                >> she
                                >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                > price.
                                >> But
                                >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                >> >
                                >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                > re-appearance
                                >> of
                                >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                > arguments."
                                >> >
                                >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                >> we? Or
                                >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                >> she has
                                >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                > which
                                >> you
                                >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                >> can
                                >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                >> an
                                >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                >> even
                                >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                >> It is
                                >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                >> to pay
                                >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                >> high for
                                >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                > own
                                >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                >> lie the
                                >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                >> >
                                >> > Regards,
                                >> > Regan
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >> >
                                >> >
                                >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                > the
                                >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                > be
                                >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                > team
                                >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                >> this
                                >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                > clock
                                >> > 24/7!!
                                >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                > She
                                >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                >> consciousness
                                >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                > rediculed
                                >> > and sconld.
                                >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                >> or
                                >> > less!
                                >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                > arguments.
                                >> >
                                >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                >> > >
                                >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                >> bitch
                                >> > at
                                >> > > times.
                                >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                > me.
                                >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                > slightest,
                                >> > the
                                >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                >> count.
                                >> > And by
                                >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                >> > >
                                >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                >> FANNIE
                                >> > mae,
                                >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                >> > would
                                >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                > money
                                >> > into
                                >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                >> idea,
                                >> > and
                                >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                >> > things.
                                >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                >> name
                                >> > for
                                >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                >> > friends.
                                >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                >> > > Later...
                                >> > > Ted
                                >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >> > > From: masanga@
                                >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > [11-08-08]
                                >> > >
                                >> > >
                                >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                >> > to get
                                >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                >> > eventually
                                >> > > > got
                                >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                > me
                                >> in
                                >> > my
                                >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                > days
                                >> > and was
                                >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                >> > forum
                                >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                > election
                                >> > of
                                >> > > > Barack
                                >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                >> > them. The
                                >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                > of
                                >> > joy in
                                >> > > > the
                                >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                > new
                                >> > age has
                                >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                >> > > > world-historic
                                >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                >> here.
                                >> > Why
                                >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                >> > election
                                >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                >> > politicians
                                >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                > view
                                >> > that
                                >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                >> > constitutes
                                >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                >> > the
                                >> > > > whole
                                >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                >> > > > Lambremont
                                >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                > to
                                >> > remove
                                >> > > > the
                                >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                >> anything
                                >> > > > myself
                                >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                > either.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                >> > found no
                                >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                > myself
                                >> > from
                                >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                >> > whenever I
                                >> > > > am
                                >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                >> > that
                                >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                > don't
                                >> > want to
                                >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                > spectacle
                                >> > may be.
                                >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                > the
                                >> > Zeta -
                                >> > > > on
                                >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                > those
                                >> > among us
                                >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                > it.
                                >> > So my
                                >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                > warning
                                >> in
                                >> > > > fact -
                                >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                > cult-building
                                >> > > > activity
                                >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                >> their
                                >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                > to
                                >> > do
                                >> > > > that
                                >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                >> > natural
                                >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                >> > now
                                >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > Warm regards,
                                >> > > > Regan
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >> > > > From: Ted
                                >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                >> [11-08-08]
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                >> > > > .
                                >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                >> > > > From: masanga@
                                >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                >> [11-08-08]
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                >> > words of
                                >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                > is
                                >> > > >> reported
                                >> > > >> to have said:
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                >> > > >> fantasies
                                >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> Regan
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> written
                                >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                > he
                                >> > did on
                                >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                > out
                                >> > in his
                                >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                >> new
                                >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                >> The
                                >> > Zetas
                                >> > > >> have
                                >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                >> > would
                                >> > > >> like
                                >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                > X,
                                >> > and if
                                >> > > >> so
                                >> > > >> was
                                >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                >> > Friday the
                                >> > > >> CNN
                                >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                >> > "pause"
                                >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                >> declined
                                >> > to
                                >> > > >> comment.
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                >> consensus
                                >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                > his
                                >> > heart
                                >> > > >> and
                                >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                >> Obama
                                >> > looked
                                >> > > >> older
                                >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                > the
                                >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                > candidacy.
                                >> > Yet the
                                >> > > >> race
                                >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                >> causing
                                >> > him
                                >> > > >> loss
                                >> > > >> of
                                >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                >> > already
                                >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                > world
                                >> > and
                                >> > > >> what
                                >> > > >> the
                                >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                > also
                                >> > did not
                                >> > > >> learn
                                >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                >> > company
                                >> > > >> crimes,
                                >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                >> FBI
                                >> > and
                                >> > > >> the
                                >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                >> > planetary
                                >> > > >> presence
                                >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                >> had
                                >> > heard
                                >> > > >> the
                                >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                >> relayed
                                >> > to
                                >> > > >> him
                                >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                >> > confirmation.
                                >> > > >> Why would
                                >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                > US
                                >> > > >> boundaries
                                >> > > >> are
                                >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                >> cover-up,
                                >> > and
                                >> > > >> how
                                >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                >> been
                                >> > > >> decided.
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                > options
                                >> > in the
                                >> > > >> future.
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                > beliefs?
                                >> He
                                >> > is
                                >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                >> > Lincoln
                                >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                >> > > >> figuratively?
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                >> > recognize
                                >> > > >> early
                                >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                >> case,
                                >> > he
                                >> > > >> was
                                >> > > >> a
                                >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                > life
                                >> > > >> circumstances
                                >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                > human
                                >> > body
                                >> > > >> and
                                >> > > >> mind
                                >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                >> > conclusion
                                >> > > >> that
                                >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> The
                                >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> Election
                                >> > > >> Results
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> As predicted by
                                >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                >> > state by
                                >> > > >> state,
                                >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                >> > ended up
                                >> > > >> in
                                >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                > to
                                >> > the
                                >> > > >> actual
                                >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                >> > > >>
                                >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                > is
                                >> > Not
                                >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > >
                                >> > > > ------------------------------------
                              • Ted
                                Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
                                Message 15 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                  Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                                  Nancy's groupies.
                                  He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                                  Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                                  wearing no close
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: <masanga@...>
                                  To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                  > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                                  >
                                  > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                                  > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                                  > be
                                  > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                                  > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                                  > concerned.
                                  >
                                  > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                                  > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                                  > he
                                  > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: Ted
                                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                                  > his
                                  > head
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: <masanga@...>
                                  > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >> Nathaniel,
                                  >>
                                  >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                  >>
                                  >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                  >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                  >> of
                                  >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                  >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                  >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                  >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                  >> have
                                  >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                  >>
                                  >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                  >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                  >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                                  >> my
                                  >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                  >> he
                                  >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                  >>
                                  >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                  >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                  >> date
                                  >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                  >> to
                                  >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                  >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                  >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                  >>
                                  >> Regan (masanga)
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                  >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                  >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> masanga,
                                  >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                  >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                  >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                  >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                  >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                                  >>
                                  >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                  >>>
                                  >>> Nathaniel,
                                  >>>
                                  >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                  >> that my
                                  >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                  >> great
                                  >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                  >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                  >> knowledge,
                                  >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                  >> desires,
                                  >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                  >> as
                                  >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                  >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                  >> said
                                  >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                  >> And
                                  >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                  >> children to
                                  >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                  >> for
                                  >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                  >> long
                                  >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                  >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                  >> encouragement
                                  >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                  >> mental age
                                  >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                                  >>>
                                  >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                  >> break
                                  >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                  >> don't
                                  >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                  >> in the
                                  >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                  >> suggest
                                  >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                  >>>
                                  >>> Sincerely,
                                  >>> Regan (masanga)
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                                  >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                  >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>> Dear masanga,
                                  >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                  >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                  >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                  >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                  >> would
                                  >>> your answer be?
                                  >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                  >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                  >> Can
                                  >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                  >> a
                                  >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                  >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                  >> Obama,
                                  >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                  >> earth
                                  >>> would qualify.
                                  >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                  >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                  >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                  >>>
                                  >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  >>> certain
                                  >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                  >>> > wicked...."
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                  >>> of our
                                  >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                  >> anyone
                                  >>> else
                                  >>> > in this respect.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                  >> would
                                  >>> win
                                  >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                  >>> needing any
                                  >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                  >>> "seemingly
                                  >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                  >>> seemed to
                                  >>> > have a clear run to me.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                  >>> about
                                  >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                  >>> praises
                                  >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                  >>> asssisted
                                  >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                  >>> protected
                                  >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                  >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                  >>> in
                                  >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                  >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                  >> up
                                  >>> to
                                  >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                  >> is
                                  >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                  >>> system
                                  >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                  >> where
                                  >>> the
                                  >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                  >>> the
                                  >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                  >> "Emperor").
                                  >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                  >>> office
                                  >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                  >>> for
                                  >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  >>> She is
                                  >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                  >>> for the
                                  >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                  >>> I see
                                  >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                  >>> as you
                                  >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                  >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                  >>> think she
                                  >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                  >>> independent
                                  >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                  >>> the
                                  >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                  >>> anonymous
                                  >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                  >>> sheer
                                  >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                  >>> the
                                  >>> > terms.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                  >>> and
                                  >>> > sconld...."
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                  >>> scold
                                  >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                  >>> and
                                  >>> > objectively.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                  >>> morbid
                                  >>> > intransigence...."
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                  >>> compromise" and
                                  >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                  >> us
                                  >>> to
                                  >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                  >>> what
                                  >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                  >>> she
                                  >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                  >> price.
                                  >>> But
                                  >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  >> re-appearance
                                  >>> of
                                  >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                  >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  >> arguments."
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                  >>> we? Or
                                  >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                  >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                  >>> she has
                                  >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                  >> which
                                  >>> you
                                  >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                  >>> can
                                  >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                  >>> an
                                  >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                  >>> even
                                  >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                  >>> It is
                                  >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                  >>> to pay
                                  >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                  >>> high for
                                  >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                  >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                  >> own
                                  >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                  >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                  >>> lie the
                                  >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                  >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > Regards,
                                  >>> > Regan
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                  >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                  >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                  >> the
                                  >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                  >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                  >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                  >> be
                                  >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                  >> team
                                  >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                  >>> this
                                  >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                  >> clock
                                  >>> > 24/7!!
                                  >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  >> She
                                  >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                  >>> consciousness
                                  >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                  >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                  >> rediculed
                                  >>> > and sconld.
                                  >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                  >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                  >>> or
                                  >>> > less!
                                  >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  >> arguments.
                                  >>> >
                                  >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                  >>> > >
                                  >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                  >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                  >>> bitch
                                  >>> > at
                                  >>> > > times.
                                  >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                  >> me.
                                  >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                  >> slightest,
                                  >>> > the
                                  >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                  >>> count.
                                  >>> > And by
                                  >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                  >>> > >
                                  >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                  >>> FANNIE
                                  >>> > mae,
                                  >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                  >>> > would
                                  >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                  >> money
                                  >>> > into
                                  >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                  >>> idea,
                                  >>> > and
                                  >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                  >>> > things.
                                  >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                  >>> name
                                  >>> > for
                                  >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                  >>> > friends.
                                  >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                                  >>> > > Later...
                                  >>> > > Ted
                                  >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >>> > > From: masanga@
                                  >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                  >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  >> [11-08-08]
                                  >>> > >
                                  >>> > >
                                  >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                  >>> > to get
                                  >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                  >>> > eventually
                                  >>> > > > got
                                  >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                  >> me
                                  >>> in
                                  >>> > my
                                  >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                  >> days
                                  >>> > and was
                                  >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                  >>> > forum
                                  >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                  >> election
                                  >>> > of
                                  >>> > > > Barack
                                  >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                  >>> > them. The
                                  >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                  >> of
                                  >>> > joy in
                                  >>> > > > the
                                  >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                  >> new
                                  >>> > age has
                                  >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                  >>> > > > world-historic
                                  >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                  >>> here.
                                  >>> > Why
                                  >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                  >>> > election
                                  >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                  >>> > politicians
                                  >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                  >> view
                                  >>> > that
                                  >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                  >>> > constitutes
                                  >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                  >>> > the
                                  >>> > > > whole
                                  >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                  >>> > > > Lambremont
                                  >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                  >> to
                                  >>> > remove
                                  >>> > > > the
                                  >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                  >>> anything
                                  >>> > > > myself
                                  >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                  >> either.
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                  >>> > found no
                                  >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                  >> myself
                                  >>> > from
                                  >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                  >>> > whenever I
                                  >>> > > > am
                                  >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                  >>> > that
                                  >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                  >> don't
                                  >>> > want to
                                  >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                  >> spectacle
                                  >>> > may be.
                                  >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                  >> the
                                  >>> > Zeta -
                                  >>> > > > on
                                  >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                  >> those
                                  >>> > among us
                                  >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                  >> it.
                                  >>> > So my
                                  >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                  >> warning
                                  >>> in
                                  >>> > > > fact -
                                  >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                  >> cult-building
                                  >>> > > > activity
                                  >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                  >>> their
                                  >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                  >> to
                                  >>> > do
                                  >>> > > > that
                                  >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                  >>> > natural
                                  >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                  >>> > now
                                  >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > > Warm regards,
                                  >>> > > > Regan
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >>> > > > From: Ted
                                  >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                  >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  >>> [11-08-08]
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                  >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                  >>> > > > .
                                  >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >>> > > > From: masanga@
                                  >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                  >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  >>> [11-08-08]
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                  >>> > words of
                                  >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                  >> is
                                  >>> > > >> reported
                                  >>> > > >> to have said:
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                  >>> > > >> fantasies
                                  >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> Regan
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                  >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                  >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                  >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                  >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> written
                                  >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                  >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                  >> he
                                  >>> > did on
                                  >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                  >> out
                                  >>> > in his
                                  >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                  >>> new
                                  >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                  >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                  >>> The
                                  >>> > Zetas
                                  >>> > > >> have
                                  >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                  >>> > would
                                  >>> > > >> like
                                  >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                  >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                  >> X,
                                  >>> > and if
                                  >>> > > >> so
                                  >>> > > >> was
                                  >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                  >>> > Friday the
                                  >>> > > >> CNN
                                  >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                  >>> > "pause"
                                  >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                  >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                  >>> declined
                                  >>> > to
                                  >>> > > >> comment.
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                  >>> consensus
                                  >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                  >> his
                                  >>> > heart
                                  >>> > > >> and
                                  >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                  >>> Obama
                                  >>> > looked
                                  >>> > > >> older
                                  >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                  >> the
                                  >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                  >> candidacy.
                                  >>> > Yet the
                                  >>> > > >> race
                                  >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                  >>> causing
                                  >>> > him
                                  >>> > > >> loss
                                  >>> > > >> of
                                  >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                  >>> > already
                                  >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                  >> world
                                  >>> > and
                                  >>> > > >> what
                                  >>> > > >> the
                                  >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                  >> also
                                  >>> > did not
                                  >>> > > >> learn
                                  >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                  >>> > company
                                  >>> > > >> crimes,
                                  >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                  >>> FBI
                                  >>> > and
                                  >>> > > >> the
                                  >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                  >>> > planetary
                                  >>> > > >> presence
                                  >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                  >>> had
                                  >>> > heard
                                  >>> > > >> the
                                  >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                  >>> relayed
                                  >>> > to
                                  >>> > > >> him
                                  >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                  >>> > confirmation.
                                  >>> > > >> Why would
                                  >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                  >> US
                                  >>> > > >> boundaries
                                  >>> > > >> are
                                  >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                  >>> cover-up,
                                  >>> > and
                                  >>> > > >> how
                                  >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                  >>> been
                                  >>> > > >> decided.
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                  >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                  >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                  >> options
                                  >>> > in the
                                  >>> > > >> future.
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                  >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                  >> beliefs?
                                  >>> He
                                  >>> > is
                                  >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                  >>> > Lincoln
                                  >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                  >>> > > >> figuratively?
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                  >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                  >>> > recognize
                                  >>> > > >> early
                                  >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                  >>> case,
                                  >>> > he
                                  >>> > > >> was
                                  >>> > > >> a
                                  >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                  >> life
                                  >>> > > >> circumstances
                                  >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                  >> human
                                  >>> > body
                                  >>> > > >> and
                                  >>> > > >> mind
                                  >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                  >>> > conclusion
                                  >>> > > >> that
                                  >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> The
                                  >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                                  >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> Election
                                  >>> > > >> Results
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> As predicted by
                                  >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                  >>> > state by
                                  >>> > > >> state,
                                  >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                  >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                  >>> > ended up
                                  >>> > > >> in
                                  >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                  >> to
                                  >>> > the
                                  >>> > > >> actual
                                  >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                  >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                  >>> > > >>
                                  >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                  >> is
                                  >>> > Not
                                  >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                                  >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                  >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                  >>> > > >
                                  >>> > > >
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                                • nathaniel x vance
                                  Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                    Dear Brother masanga,
                                    Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                    and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                    you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                    rebellion out in me.
                                    Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                    COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                    like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                    higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                    help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                    renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                    higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                    co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                    Please pardon me.

                                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Nathaniel,
                                    >
                                    > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                    >
                                    > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                    about
                                    > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                    know of
                                    > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                    > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                    > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                    universe, I
                                    > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                    have
                                    > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                    >
                                    > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                    divine
                                    > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                    > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                    in my
                                    > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                    that he
                                    > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                    >
                                    > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                    presume to
                                    > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                    date
                                    > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                    mystery to
                                    > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                    > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                    divine
                                    > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                    >
                                    > Regan (masanga)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > masanga,
                                    > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                    > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                    > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                    > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                    > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                    >
                                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Nathaniel,
                                    > >
                                    > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                    > that my
                                    > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                    > great
                                    > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                    > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                    > knowledge,
                                    > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                    > desires,
                                    > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                    things
                                    > as
                                    > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                    will
                                    > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                    > said
                                    > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                    > And
                                    > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                    > children to
                                    > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                    you
                                    > for
                                    > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                    worked
                                    > long
                                    > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                    both
                                    > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                    > encouragement
                                    > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                    > mental age
                                    > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                    > >
                                    > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                    > break
                                    > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                    > don't
                                    > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                    me
                                    > in the
                                    > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                    > suggest
                                    > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                    up.
                                    > >
                                    > > Sincerely,
                                    > > Regan (masanga)
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                    > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Dear masanga,
                                    > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                    answer
                                    > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                    > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                    our
                                    > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                    > would
                                    > > your answer be?
                                    > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                    before
                                    > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                    > Can
                                    > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                    see
                                    > a
                                    > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                    details
                                    > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                    > Obama,
                                    > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                    > earth
                                    > > would qualify.
                                    > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                    > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                    > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                    > > >
                                    > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                    a
                                    > > certain
                                    > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                    greedy
                                    > > > wicked...."
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                    > > of our
                                    > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                    > anyone
                                    > > else
                                    > > > in this respect.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                    > would
                                    > > win
                                    > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                    > > >
                                    > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                    > > needing any
                                    > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                    > > "seemingly
                                    > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                    > > seemed to
                                    > > > have a clear run to me.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                    > > about
                                    > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                    > > praises
                                    > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                    > > asssisted
                                    > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                    > > protected
                                    > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                    > > >
                                    > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                    > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                    really
                                    > > in
                                    > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                    dominance?
                                    > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                    > up
                                    > > to
                                    > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                    > is
                                    > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                    a
                                    > > system
                                    > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                    > where
                                    > > the
                                    > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                    become
                                    > > the
                                    > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                    > "Emperor").
                                    > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                    > > office
                                    > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                    credit
                                    > > for
                                    > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                    me.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                    cult!
                                    > > She is
                                    > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                    consciousness
                                    > > for the
                                    > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                    > > I see
                                    > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                    be
                                    > > as you
                                    > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                    for
                                    > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                    > > think she
                                    > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                    > > independent
                                    > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                    asserting
                                    > > the
                                    > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                    > > anonymous
                                    > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                    on
                                    > > sheer
                                    > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                    of
                                    > > the
                                    > > > terms.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                    rediculed
                                    > > and
                                    > > > sconld...."
                                    > > >
                                    > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                    > > scold
                                    > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                    impartially
                                    > > and
                                    > > > objectively.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                    > > morbid
                                    > > > intransigence...."
                                    > > >
                                    > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                    > > compromise" and
                                    > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                    > us
                                    > > to
                                    > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                    wonder
                                    > > what
                                    > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                    > > she
                                    > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                    > price.
                                    > > But
                                    > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                    ours.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    > re-appearance
                                    > > of
                                    > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                    > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    > arguments."
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                    > > we? Or
                                    > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                    absurd
                                    > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                    which
                                    > > she has
                                    > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                    > which
                                    > > you
                                    > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                    she
                                    > > can
                                    > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                    into
                                    > > an
                                    > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                    > > even
                                    > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                    intelligence?
                                    > > It is
                                    > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                    willing
                                    > > to pay
                                    > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                    > > high for
                                    > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                    "full
                                    > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                    > own
                                    > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                    > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                    a
                                    > > lie the
                                    > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                    > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Regards,
                                    > > > Regan
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                    > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    [11-08-08]
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                    > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                    > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                    > the
                                    > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                    that
                                    > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                    against
                                    > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                    should
                                    > be
                                    > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                    > team
                                    > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                    > > this
                                    > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                    > clock
                                    > > > 24/7!!
                                    > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                    > She
                                    > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                    > > consciousness
                                    > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                    > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                    > rediculed
                                    > > > and sconld.
                                    > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                    morbid
                                    > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                    years
                                    > > or
                                    > > > less!
                                    > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    > arguments.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                    > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                    > > bitch
                                    > > > at
                                    > > > > times.
                                    > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                    > me.
                                    > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                    > slightest,
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                    > > count.
                                    > > > And by
                                    > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                    > > FANNIE
                                    > > > mae,
                                    > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                    One
                                    > > > would
                                    > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                    > money
                                    > > > into
                                    > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                    > > idea,
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                    damn
                                    > > > things.
                                    > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                    > > name
                                    > > > for
                                    > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                    > > > friends.
                                    > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                    > > > > Later...
                                    > > > > Ted
                                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > From: masanga@
                                    > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                    > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > [11-08-08]
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                    > > > to get
                                    > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                    > > > eventually
                                    > > > > > got
                                    > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                    > me
                                    > > in
                                    > > > my
                                    > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                    > days
                                    > > > and was
                                    > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                    this
                                    > > > forum
                                    > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                    > election
                                    > > > of
                                    > > > > > Barack
                                    > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                    of
                                    > > > them. The
                                    > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                    > of
                                    > > > joy in
                                    > > > > > the
                                    > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                    > new
                                    > > > age has
                                    > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                    > > > > > world-historic
                                    > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                    > > here.
                                    > > > Why
                                    > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                    > > > election
                                    > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                    > > > politicians
                                    > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                    > view
                                    > > > that
                                    > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                    > > > constitutes
                                    > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                    in
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > > whole
                                    > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                    Alfred
                                    > > > > > Lambremont
                                    > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                    > to
                                    > > > remove
                                    > > > > > the
                                    > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                    > > anything
                                    > > > > > myself
                                    > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                    > either.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                    > > > found no
                                    > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                    > myself
                                    > > > from
                                    > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                    > > > whenever I
                                    > > > > > am
                                    > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                    performed
                                    > > > that
                                    > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                    > don't
                                    > > > want to
                                    > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                    > spectacle
                                    > > > may be.
                                    > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                    > the
                                    > > > Zeta -
                                    > > > > > on
                                    > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                    > those
                                    > > > among us
                                    > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                    > it.
                                    > > > So my
                                    > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                    > warning
                                    > > in
                                    > > > > > fact -
                                    > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                    > cult-building
                                    > > > > > activity
                                    > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                    > > their
                                    > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                    freedom
                                    > to
                                    > > > do
                                    > > > > > that
                                    > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                    > > > natural
                                    > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                    > > > now
                                    > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > Warm regards,
                                    > > > > > Regan
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > > From: Ted
                                    > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > > [11-08-08]
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                    > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                    > > > > > .
                                    > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > > From: masanga@
                                    > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                    > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > > [11-08-08]
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                    > > > words of
                                    > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                    who
                                    > is
                                    > > > > >> reported
                                    > > > > >> to have said:
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                    > > > > >> fantasies
                                    > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> Regan
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                    ;
                                    > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                    ;
                                    > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                    ;
                                    > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                    > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    [11-08-08]
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                    > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> written
                                    > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                    > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                    > he
                                    > > > did on
                                    > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                    > out
                                    > > > in his
                                    > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                    the
                                    > > new
                                    > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                    > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                    shift?
                                    > > The
                                    > > > Zetas
                                    > > > > >> have
                                    > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                    I
                                    > > > would
                                    > > > > >> like
                                    > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                    > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                    > X,
                                    > > > and if
                                    > > > > >> so
                                    > > > > >> was
                                    > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                    > > > Friday the
                                    > > > > >> CNN
                                    > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                    > > > "pause"
                                    > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                    4th
                                    > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                    > > declined
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > > >> comment.
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                    > > consensus
                                    > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                    > his
                                    > > > heart
                                    > > > > >> and
                                    > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                    > > Obama
                                    > > > looked
                                    > > > > >> older
                                    > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                    > the
                                    > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                    > candidacy.
                                    > > > Yet the
                                    > > > > >> race
                                    > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                    > > causing
                                    > > > him
                                    > > > > >> loss
                                    > > > > >> of
                                    > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                    not
                                    > > > already
                                    > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                    > world
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > >> what
                                    > > > > >> the
                                    > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                    > also
                                    > > > did not
                                    > > > > >> learn
                                    > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                    > > > company
                                    > > > > >> crimes,
                                    > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                    the
                                    > > FBI
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > >> the
                                    > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                    > > > planetary
                                    > > > > >> presence
                                    > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                    He
                                    > > had
                                    > > > heard
                                    > > > > >> the
                                    > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                    > > relayed
                                    > > > to
                                    > > > > >> him
                                    > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                    > > > confirmation.
                                    > > > > >> Why would
                                    > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                    > US
                                    > > > > >> boundaries
                                    > > > > >> are
                                    > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                    > > cover-up,
                                    > > > and
                                    > > > > >> how
                                    > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                    > > been
                                    > > > > >> decided.
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                    > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                    > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                    > options
                                    > > > in the
                                    > > > > >> future.
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                    > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                    > beliefs?
                                    > > He
                                    > > > is
                                    > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                    is
                                    > > > Lincoln
                                    > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                    > > > > >> figuratively?
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                    > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                    > > > recognize
                                    > > > > >> early
                                    > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                    > > case,
                                    > > > he
                                    > > > > >> was
                                    > > > > >> a
                                    > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                    > life
                                    > > > > >> circumstances
                                    > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                    > human
                                    > > > body
                                    > > > > >> and
                                    > > > > >> mind
                                    > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                    > > > conclusion
                                    > > > > >> that
                                    > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> The
                                    > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                    > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> Election
                                    > > > > >> Results
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> As predicted by
                                    > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                    result,
                                    > > > state by
                                    > > > > >> state,
                                    > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                    > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                    McCain
                                    > > > ended up
                                    > > > > >> in
                                    > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                    > to
                                    > > > the
                                    > > > > >> actual
                                    > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                    > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                    > > > > >>
                                    > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                    GOD
                                    > is
                                    > > > Not
                                    > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                    > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                    > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                    >
                                  • nathaniel x vance
                                    Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
                                    Message 17 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                      Okay Mr. Ted,
                                      I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                                      scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                                      two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                                      think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                                      wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                                      he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                                      Messiah/Mahdi?
                                      We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                                      Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                                      scratching his
                                      > head
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: masanga@...
                                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      [11-08-08]
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > > Nathaniel,
                                      > >
                                      > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                      > >
                                      > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                      about
                                      > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                      know
                                      > > of
                                      > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                      > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                      > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                      universe, I
                                      > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                                      I have
                                      > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                      > >
                                      > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                      divine
                                      > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                      > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                      in my
                                      > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                      that
                                      > > he
                                      > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                      > >
                                      > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                      presume to
                                      > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                                      to
                                      > > date
                                      > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                      mystery
                                      > > to
                                      > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                      > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                      divine
                                      > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                      > >
                                      > > Regan (masanga)
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                      > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > masanga,
                                      > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                                      about
                                      > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                      > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                                      If
                                      > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                      > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                      > >>
                                      > >> Nathaniel,
                                      > >>
                                      > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                      > > that my
                                      > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                      > > great
                                      > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                                      have
                                      > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                      > > knowledge,
                                      > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                      > > desires,
                                      > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                      things
                                      > > as
                                      > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                      will
                                      > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                      > > said
                                      > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                      > > And
                                      > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                      > > children to
                                      > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                      you
                                      > > for
                                      > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                      worked
                                      > > long
                                      > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                      both
                                      > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                      > > encouragement
                                      > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                      > > mental age
                                      > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                      > >>
                                      > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                      > > break
                                      > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                      > > don't
                                      > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                      me
                                      > > in the
                                      > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                      > > suggest
                                      > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                      up.
                                      > >>
                                      > >> Sincerely,
                                      > >> Regan (masanga)
                                      > >>
                                      > >>
                                      > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                      > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      > >>
                                      > >>
                                      > >> Dear masanga,
                                      > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                      answer
                                      > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                      > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                      our
                                      > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                      > > would
                                      > >> your answer be?
                                      > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                      before
                                      > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                                      qualifications;
                                      > > Can
                                      > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                      see
                                      > > a
                                      > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                      details
                                      > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                      > > Obama,
                                      > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                      > > earth
                                      > >> would qualify.
                                      > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                      > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                      > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                      > >>
                                      > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                      a
                                      > >> certain
                                      > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                      greedy
                                      > >> > wicked...."
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                      > >> of our
                                      > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                      > > anyone
                                      > >> else
                                      > >> > in this respect.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                      > > would
                                      > >> win
                                      > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                      > >> needing any
                                      > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                      > >> "seemingly
                                      > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                      > >> seemed to
                                      > >> > have a clear run to me.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                      > >> about
                                      > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                                      and
                                      > >> praises
                                      > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                                      who
                                      > >> asssisted
                                      > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                      > >> protected
                                      > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                      > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                      really
                                      > >> in
                                      > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                      dominance?
                                      > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                                      facing
                                      > > up
                                      > >> to
                                      > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                                      which
                                      > > is
                                      > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                      a
                                      > >> system
                                      > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                      > > where
                                      > >> the
                                      > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                      become
                                      > >> the
                                      > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                      > > "Emperor").
                                      > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                      > >> office
                                      > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                      credit
                                      > >> for
                                      > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                      me.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                      cult!
                                      > >> She is
                                      > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                      consciousness
                                      > >> for the
                                      > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                      righteous."
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                      > >> I see
                                      > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                      be
                                      > >> as you
                                      > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                      for
                                      > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                      > >> think she
                                      > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                      > >> independent
                                      > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                      asserting
                                      > >> the
                                      > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                      > >> anonymous
                                      > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                      on
                                      > >> sheer
                                      > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                      of
                                      > >> the
                                      > >> > terms.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                      rediculed
                                      > >> and
                                      > >> > sconld...."
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                      > >> scold
                                      > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                      impartially
                                      > >> and
                                      > >> > objectively.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                      > >> morbid
                                      > >> > intransigence...."
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                      > >> compromise" and
                                      > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                                      wants
                                      > > us
                                      > >> to
                                      > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                      wonder
                                      > >> what
                                      > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                                      think
                                      > >> she
                                      > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                      > > price.
                                      > >> But
                                      > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                      ours.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      > > re-appearance
                                      > >> of
                                      > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                      > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      > > arguments."
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                      > >> we? Or
                                      > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                      absurd
                                      > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                      which
                                      > >> she has
                                      > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                      > > which
                                      > >> you
                                      > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                      she
                                      > >> can
                                      > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                      into
                                      > >> an
                                      > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                                      or
                                      > >> even
                                      > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                      intelligence?
                                      > >> It is
                                      > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                      willing
                                      > >> to pay
                                      > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                                      too
                                      > >> high for
                                      > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                      "full
                                      > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                      > > own
                                      > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                      > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                                      and a
                                      > >> lie the
                                      > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                      > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Regards,
                                      > >> > Regan
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                      > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      [11-08-08]
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                      > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                      a
                                      > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                      > > the
                                      > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                      that
                                      > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                      against
                                      > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                      should
                                      > > be
                                      > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                      > > team
                                      > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                                      making
                                      > >> this
                                      > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                      > > clock
                                      > >> > 24/7!!
                                      > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                      cult!
                                      > > She
                                      > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                      > >> consciousness
                                      > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                      > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                      > > rediculed
                                      > >> > and sconld.
                                      > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                      morbid
                                      > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                      years
                                      > >> or
                                      > >> > less!
                                      > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      > > arguments.
                                      > >> >
                                      > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                      > >> > >
                                      > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                      > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                      > >> bitch
                                      > >> > at
                                      > >> > > times.
                                      > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                      > > me.
                                      > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                      > > slightest,
                                      > >> > the
                                      > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                      > >> count.
                                      > >> > And by
                                      > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                      > >> > >
                                      > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                      > >> FANNIE
                                      > >> > mae,
                                      > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                      One
                                      > >> > would
                                      > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                      > > money
                                      > >> > into
                                      > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                      > >> idea,
                                      > >> > and
                                      > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                      damn
                                      > >> > things.
                                      > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                                      Nancy's
                                      > >> name
                                      > >> > for
                                      > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                      > >> > friends.
                                      > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                      > >> > > Later...
                                      > >> > > Ted
                                      > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > >> > > From: masanga@
                                      > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                      > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      > > [11-08-08]
                                      > >> > >
                                      > >> > >
                                      > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                      > >> > to get
                                      > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                      > >> > eventually
                                      > >> > > > got
                                      > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                                      for
                                      > > me
                                      > >> in
                                      > >> > my
                                      > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                      > > days
                                      > >> > and was
                                      > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                      this
                                      > >> > forum
                                      > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                      > > election
                                      > >> > of
                                      > >> > > > Barack
                                      > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                      of
                                      > >> > them. The
                                      > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                                      tears
                                      > > of
                                      > >> > joy in
                                      > >> > > > the
                                      > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                      > > new
                                      > >> > age has
                                      > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                      > >> > > > world-historic
                                      > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                      > >> here.
                                      > >> > Why
                                      > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                      > >> > election
                                      > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                      > >> > politicians
                                      > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                      > > view
                                      > >> > that
                                      > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                      > >> > constitutes
                                      > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                      in
                                      > >> > the
                                      > >> > > > whole
                                      > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                      Alfred
                                      > >> > > > Lambremont
                                      > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                                      commitment
                                      > > to
                                      > >> > remove
                                      > >> > > > the
                                      > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                      > >> anything
                                      > >> > > > myself
                                      > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                      > > either.
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                      > >> > found no
                                      > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                      > > myself
                                      > >> > from
                                      > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                      > >> > whenever I
                                      > >> > > > am
                                      > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                      performed
                                      > >> > that
                                      > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                      > > don't
                                      > >> > want to
                                      > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                      > > spectacle
                                      > >> > may be.
                                      > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                                      of
                                      > > the
                                      > >> > Zeta -
                                      > >> > > > on
                                      > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                      > > those
                                      > >> > among us
                                      > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                                      to
                                      > > it.
                                      > >> > So my
                                      > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                      > > warning
                                      > >> in
                                      > >> > > > fact -
                                      > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                      > > cult-building
                                      > >> > > > activity
                                      > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                                      dictate
                                      > >> their
                                      > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                      freedom
                                      > > to
                                      > >> > do
                                      > >> > > > that
                                      > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                      > >> > natural
                                      > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                      > >> > now
                                      > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > > Warm regards,
                                      > >> > > > Regan
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > >> > > > From: Ted
                                      > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                      > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      > >> [11-08-08]
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                      > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                      > >> > > > .
                                      > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > >> > > > From: masanga@
                                      > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                      > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      > >> [11-08-08]
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                      > >> > words of
                                      > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                      who
                                      > > is
                                      > >> > > >> reported
                                      > >> > > >> to have said:
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                      > >> > > >> fantasies
                                      > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> Regan
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                                      ;
                                      > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                                      ;
                                      > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                                      ;
                                      > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                      ;
                                      > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                      ;
                                      > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                      > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      [11-08-08]
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                      > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> written
                                      > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                      > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                                      than
                                      > > he
                                      > >> > did on
                                      > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                                      found
                                      > > out
                                      > >> > in his
                                      > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                      the
                                      > >> new
                                      > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                      > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                      shift?
                                      > >> The
                                      > >> > Zetas
                                      > >> > > >> have
                                      > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                                      another] I
                                      > >> > would
                                      > >> > > >> like
                                      > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                      > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                                      Planet
                                      > > X,
                                      > >> > and if
                                      > >> > > >> so
                                      > >> > > >> was
                                      > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                                      conference
                                      > >> > Friday the
                                      > >> > > >> CNN
                                      > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                      > >> > "pause"
                                      > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                      4th
                                      > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                      > >> declined
                                      > >> > to
                                      > >> > > >> comment.
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                      > >> consensus
                                      > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                      > > his
                                      > >> > heart
                                      > >> > > >> and
                                      > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                      > >> Obama
                                      > >> > looked
                                      > >> > > >> older
                                      > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                      > > the
                                      > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                      > > candidacy.
                                      > >> > Yet the
                                      > >> > > >> race
                                      > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                      > >> causing
                                      > >> > him
                                      > >> > > >> loss
                                      > >> > > >> of
                                      > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                      not
                                      > >> > already
                                      > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                      > > world
                                      > >> > and
                                      > >> > > >> what
                                      > >> > > >> the
                                      > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                      > > also
                                      > >> > did not
                                      > >> > > >> learn
                                      > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                                      and
                                      > >> > company
                                      > >> > > >> crimes,
                                      > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                      the
                                      > >> FBI
                                      > >> > and
                                      > >> > > >> the
                                      > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                      > >> > planetary
                                      > >> > > >> presence
                                      > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                      He
                                      > >> had
                                      > >> > heard
                                      > >> > > >> the
                                      > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                      > >> relayed
                                      > >> > to
                                      > >> > > >> him
                                      > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                      > >> > confirmation.
                                      > >> > > >> Why would
                                      > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                                      the
                                      > > US
                                      > >> > > >> boundaries
                                      > >> > > >> are
                                      > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                      > >> cover-up,
                                      > >> > and
                                      > >> > > >> how
                                      > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                                      yet
                                      > >> been
                                      > >> > > >> decided.
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                      > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                      > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                      > > options
                                      > >> > in the
                                      > >> > > >> future.
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                      > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                      > > beliefs?
                                      > >> He
                                      > >> > is
                                      > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                      is
                                      > >> > Lincoln
                                      > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                                      speaking
                                      > >> > > >> figuratively?
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                                      many,
                                      > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                      > >> > recognize
                                      > >> > > >> early
                                      > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                                      Obama's
                                      > >> case,
                                      > >> > he
                                      > >> > > >> was
                                      > >> > > >> a
                                      > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                      > > life
                                      > >> > > >> circumstances
                                      > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                      > > human
                                      > >> > body
                                      > >> > > >> and
                                      > >> > > >> mind
                                      > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                      > >> > conclusion
                                      > >> > > >> that
                                      > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> The
                                      > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                      > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> Election
                                      > >> > > >> Results
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> As predicted by
                                      > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                      result,
                                      > >> > state by
                                      > >> > > >> state,
                                      > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                      > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                      McCain
                                      > >> > ended up
                                      > >> > > >> in
                                      > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                                      polls,
                                      > > to
                                      > >> > the
                                      > >> > > >> actual
                                      > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                      > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                      > >> > > >>
                                      > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                      GOD
                                      > > is
                                      > >> > Not
                                      > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                      > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                      > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > >
                                      > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > ------------------------------------
                                      > >
                                      > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      >
                                    • masanga@talktalk.net
                                      Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                      Message 18 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                        Dear Nathaniel,

                                        Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                                        you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                        no harm was done.

                                        Be at peace.

                                        Regan (masanga)


                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: nathaniel x vance
                                        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                                        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                        Dear Brother masanga,
                                        Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                        and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                        you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                        rebellion out in me.
                                        Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                        COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                        like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                        higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                        help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                        renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                        higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                        co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                        Please pardon me.

                                        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Nathaniel,
                                        >
                                        > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                        >
                                        > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                        about
                                        > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                        know of
                                        > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                        > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                        > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                        universe, I
                                        > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                        have
                                        > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                        >
                                        > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                        divine
                                        > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                        > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                        in my
                                        > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                        that he
                                        > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                        >
                                        > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                        presume to
                                        > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                        date
                                        > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                        mystery to
                                        > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                        > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                        divine
                                        > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                        >
                                        > Regan (masanga)
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: nathaniel x vance
                                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > masanga,
                                        > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                        > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                        > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                        > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                        > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                        >
                                        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Nathaniel,
                                        > >
                                        > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                        > that my
                                        > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                        > great
                                        > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                        > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                        > knowledge,
                                        > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                        > desires,
                                        > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                        things
                                        > as
                                        > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                        will
                                        > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                        > said
                                        > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                        > And
                                        > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                        > children to
                                        > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                        you
                                        > for
                                        > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                        worked
                                        > long
                                        > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                        both
                                        > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                        > encouragement
                                        > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                        > mental age
                                        > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                        > >
                                        > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                        > break
                                        > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                        > don't
                                        > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                        me
                                        > in the
                                        > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                        > suggest
                                        > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                        up.
                                        > >
                                        > > Sincerely,
                                        > > Regan (masanga)
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                        > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Dear masanga,
                                        > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                        answer
                                        > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                        > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                        our
                                        > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                        > would
                                        > > your answer be?
                                        > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                        before
                                        > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                        > Can
                                        > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                        see
                                        > a
                                        > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                        details
                                        > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                        > Obama,
                                        > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                        > earth
                                        > > would qualify.
                                        > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                        > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                        > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                        a
                                        > > certain
                                        > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                        greedy
                                        > > > wicked...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                        > > of our
                                        > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                        > anyone
                                        > > else
                                        > > > in this respect.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                        > would
                                        > > win
                                        > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                        > > needing any
                                        > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                        > > "seemingly
                                        > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                        > > seemed to
                                        > > > have a clear run to me.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                        > > about
                                        > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                        > > praises
                                        > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                        > > asssisted
                                        > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                        > > protected
                                        > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                        > > >
                                        > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                        > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                        really
                                        > > in
                                        > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                        dominance?
                                        > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                        > up
                                        > > to
                                        > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                        > is
                                        > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                        a
                                        > > system
                                        > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                        > where
                                        > > the
                                        > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                        become
                                        > > the
                                        > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                        > "Emperor").
                                        > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                        > > office
                                        > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                        credit
                                        > > for
                                        > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                        me.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                        cult!
                                        > > She is
                                        > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                        consciousness
                                        > > for the
                                        > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                        > > I see
                                        > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                        be
                                        > > as you
                                        > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                        for
                                        > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                        > > think she
                                        > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                        > > independent
                                        > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                        asserting
                                        > > the
                                        > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                        > > anonymous
                                        > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                        on
                                        > > sheer
                                        > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                        of
                                        > > the
                                        > > > terms.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                        rediculed
                                        > > and
                                        > > > sconld...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                        > > scold
                                        > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                        impartially
                                        > > and
                                        > > > objectively.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                        > > morbid
                                        > > > intransigence...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                        > > compromise" and
                                        > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                        > us
                                        > > to
                                        > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                        wonder
                                        > > what
                                        > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                        > > she
                                        > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                        > price.
                                        > > But
                                        > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                        ours.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                        > re-appearance
                                        > > of
                                        > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                        > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                        > arguments."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                        > > we? Or
                                        > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                        absurd
                                        > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                        which
                                        > > she has
                                        > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                        > which
                                        > > you
                                        > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                        she
                                        > > can
                                        > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                        into
                                        > > an
                                        > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                        > > even
                                        > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                        intelligence?
                                        > > It is
                                        > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                        willing
                                        > > to pay
                                        > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                        > > high for
                                        > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                        "full
                                        > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                        > own
                                        > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                        > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                        a
                                        > > lie the
                                        > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                        > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Regards,
                                        > > > Regan
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                        > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        [11-08-08]
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                        > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                        > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                        > the
                                        > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                        that
                                        > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                        against
                                        > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                        should
                                        > be
                                        > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                        > team
                                        > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                        > > this
                                        > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                        > clock
                                        > > > 24/7!!
                                        > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                        > She
                                        > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                        > > consciousness
                                        > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                        > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                        > rediculed
                                        > > > and sconld.
                                        > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                        morbid
                                        > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                        > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                        years
                                        > > or
                                        > > > less!
                                        > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                        > arguments.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                        > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                        > > bitch
                                        > > > at
                                        > > > > times.
                                        > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                        > me.
                                        > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                        > slightest,
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                        > > count.
                                        > > > And by
                                        > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                        > > FANNIE
                                        > > > mae,
                                        > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                        One
                                        > > > would
                                        > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                        > money
                                        > > > into
                                        > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                        > > idea,
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                        damn
                                        > > > things.
                                        > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                        > > name
                                        > > > for
                                        > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                        > > > friends.
                                        > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                        > > > > Later...
                                        > > > > Ted
                                        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > > From: masanga@
                                        > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                        > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        > [11-08-08]
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                        > > > to get
                                        > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                        > > > eventually
                                        > > > > > got
                                        > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                        > me
                                        > > in
                                        > > > my
                                        > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                        > days
                                        > > > and was
                                        > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                        this
                                        > > > forum
                                        > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                        > election
                                        > > > of
                                        > > > > > Barack
                                        > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                        of
                                        > > > them. The
                                        > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                        > of
                                        > > > joy in
                                        > > > > > the
                                        > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                        > new
                                        > > > age has
                                        > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                        > > > > > world-historic
                                        > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                        > > here.
                                        > > > Why
                                        > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                        > > > election
                                        > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                        > > > politicians
                                        > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                        > view
                                        > > > that
                                        > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                        > > > constitutes
                                        > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                        in
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > whole
                                        > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                        Alfred
                                        > > > > > Lambremont
                                        > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                        > to
                                        > > > remove
                                        > > > > > the
                                        > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                        > > anything
                                        > > > > > myself
                                        > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                        > either.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                        > > > found no
                                        > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                        > myself
                                        > > > from
                                        > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                        > > > whenever I
                                        > > > > > am
                                        > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                        performed
                                        > > > that
                                        > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                        > don't
                                        > > > want to
                                        > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                        > spectacle
                                        > > > may be.
                                        > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                        > the
                                        > > > Zeta -
                                        > > > > > on
                                        > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                        > those
                                        > > > among us
                                        > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                        > it.
                                        > > > So my
                                        > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                        > warning
                                        > > in
                                        > > > > > fact -
                                        > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                        > cult-building
                                        > > > > > activity
                                        > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                        > > their
                                        > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                        freedom
                                        > to
                                        > > > do
                                        > > > > > that
                                        > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                        > > > natural
                                        > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                        > > > now
                                        > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Warm regards,
                                        > > > > > Regan
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > > > From: Ted
                                        > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        > > [11-08-08]
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                        > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                        > > > > > .
                                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > > > From: masanga@
                                        > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        > > [11-08-08]
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                        > > > words of
                                        > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                        who
                                        > is
                                        > > > > >> reported
                                        > > > > >> to have said:
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                        > > > > >> fantasies
                                        > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Regan
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                        > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                        ;
                                        > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                        ;
                                        > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                        ;
                                        > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                        > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        [11-08-08]
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                        > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> written
                                        > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                        > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                        > he
                                        > > > did on
                                        > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                        > out
                                        > > > in his
                                        > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                        the
                                        > > new
                                        > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                        > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                        shift?
                                        > > The
                                        > > > Zetas
                                        > > > > >> have
                                        > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                        I
                                        > > > would
                                        > > > > >> like
                                        > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                        > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                        > X,
                                        > > > and if
                                        > > > > >> so
                                        > > > > >> was
                                        > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                        > > > Friday the
                                        > > > > >> CNN
                                        > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                        > > > "pause"
                                        > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                        4th
                                        > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                        > > declined
                                        > > > to
                                        > > > > >> comment.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                        > > consensus
                                        > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                        > his
                                        > > > heart
                                        > > > > >> and
                                        > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                        > > Obama
                                        > > > looked
                                        > > > > >> older
                                        > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                        > the
                                        > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                        > candidacy.
                                        > > > Yet the
                                        > > > > >> race
                                        > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                        > > causing
                                        > > > him
                                        > > > > >> loss
                                        > > > > >> of
                                        > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                        not
                                        > > > already
                                        > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                        > world
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > >> what
                                        > > > > >> the
                                        > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                        > also
                                        > > > did not
                                        > > > > >> learn
                                        > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                        > > > company
                                        > > > > >> crimes,
                                        > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                        the
                                        > > FBI
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > >> the
                                        > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                        > > > planetary
                                        > > > > >> presence
                                        > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                        He
                                        > > had
                                        > > > heard
                                        > > > > >> the
                                        > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                        > > relayed
                                        > > > to
                                        > > > > >> him
                                        > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                        > > > confirmation.
                                        > > > > >> Why would
                                        > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                        > US
                                        > > > > >> boundaries
                                        > > > > >> are
                                        > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                        > > cover-up,
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > >> how
                                        > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                        > > been
                                        > > > > >> decided.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                        > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                        > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                        > options
                                        > > > in the
                                        > > > > >> future.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                        > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                        > beliefs?
                                        > > He
                                        > > > is
                                        > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                        is
                                        > > > Lincoln
                                        > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                        > > > > >> figuratively?
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                        > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                        > > > recognize
                                        > > > > >> early
                                        > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                        > > case,
                                        > > > he
                                        > > > > >> was
                                        > > > > >> a
                                        > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                        > life
                                        > > > > >> circumstances
                                        > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                        > human
                                        > > > body
                                        > > > > >> and
                                        > > > > >> mind
                                        > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                        > > > conclusion
                                        > > > > >> that
                                        > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> The
                                        > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                        > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Election
                                        > > > > >> Results
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> As predicted by
                                        > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                        result,
                                        > > > state by
                                        > > > > >> state,
                                        > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                        > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                        McCain
                                        > > > ended up
                                        > > > > >> in
                                        > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                        > to
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > >> actual
                                        > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                        > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                        GOD
                                        > is
                                        > > > Not
                                        > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                        > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                        > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > ------------------------------------
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