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  • Ted
    So you re back with a vengeance Well I meant a quote. . ... From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 12, 2008
      So you're back with a vengeance
      Well I meant a quote.
      .
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <masanga@...>
      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


      > Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
      > the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported
      > to have said:
      >
      > "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain fantasies
      > into the pit of destruction."
      >
      > Regan
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: nathaniel x vance
      > To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
      > UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
      > CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
      > ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
      > earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
      > iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
      > tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
      > ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
      > earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
      > etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
      > exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
      > the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ; ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ZetaTalk:
      > GodlikeProduction Live
      >
      > written
      > November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
      >
      > Questioner: Obama
      > looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
      > election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
      > intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
      > president, what does it mean for the
      > cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
      > have
      > hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would like
      > to ask the Zetas if on
      > Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if so
      > was
      > that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
      > CNN
      > reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
      > (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      > scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
      > comment.
      >
      > Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
      > of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart and
      > mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
      > older
      > and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      > President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
      > race
      > was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
      > loss
      > of
      > sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
      > suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and what
      > the
      > various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
      > learn
      > any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
      > crimes,
      > as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
      > the
      > Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
      > presence
      > is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
      > the
      > rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to him
      > information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
      > Why would
      > the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
      > boundaries
      > are
      > the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and how
      > Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
      > decided.
      >
      > Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      > shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
      >
      > Zeta response: This
      > family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
      > future.
      >
      > Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      > child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
      > known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
      > reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
      > figuratively?
      >
      > Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      > including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
      > early
      > that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he was
      > a
      > walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      > circumstances
      > for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and
      > mind
      > sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
      > that
      > they have a new soul within.
      >
      > <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
      >
      > The
      > ZetaTalk Newsletter
      >
      > Issue 104,
      > Sunday November 9, 2008
      >
      > Election
      > Results
      >
      > As predicted by
      > the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
      > state,
      > was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      > which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up in
      > Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
      > actual
      > result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      > Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
      >
      > <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
      >
      > We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
      > MOCKED!
      > salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      > http://zetaheaven.org
      >
      >
      > ------------------------------------
      >
      > Yahoo! Groups Links
      >
      >
      >
    • masanga@talktalk.net
      Hi Ted, Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually got back
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 13, 2008
        Hi Ted,

        Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
        reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually got
        back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
        In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
        struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
        although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of Barack
        Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
        masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in the
        fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
        dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this world-historic
        event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
        not? I found this puzzling.

        Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
        from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
        themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
        presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
        this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the whole
        of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred Lambremont
        Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove the
        Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything myself
        so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.

        The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
        difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
        turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I am
        confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
        service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
        get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
        Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta - on
        the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
        who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
        response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in fact -
        to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building activity
        and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
        personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do that
        if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
        consequences of doing it.

        I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
        made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.

        Warm regards,
        Regan


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Ted
        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


        So you're back with a vengeance
        Well I meant a quote.
        .
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: <masanga@...>
        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


        > Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
        > the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported
        > to have said:
        >
        > "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain fantasies
        > into the pit of destruction."
        >
        > Regan
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: nathaniel x vance
        > To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ; ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ZetaTalk:
        > GodlikeProduction Live
        >
        > written
        > November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        >
        > Questioner: Obama
        > looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
        > election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
        > intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
        > president, what does it mean for the
        > cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
        > have
        > hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would like
        > to ask the Zetas if on
        > Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if so
        > was
        > that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
        > CNN
        > reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
        > (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
        > comment.
        >
        > Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
        > of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart and
        > mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
        > older
        > and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        > President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
        > race
        > was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
        > loss
        > of
        > sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
        > suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and what
        > the
        > various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
        > learn
        > any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
        > crimes,
        > as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
        > the
        > Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
        > presence
        > is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
        > the
        > rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to him
        > information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
        > Why would
        > the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
        > boundaries
        > are
        > the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and how
        > Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
        > decided.
        >
        > Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        >
        > Zeta response: This
        > family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
        > future.
        >
        > Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
        > known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
        > reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > figuratively?
        >
        > Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
        > early
        > that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he was
        > a
        > walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        > circumstances
        > for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and
        > mind
        > sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
        > that
        > they have a new soul within.
        >
        > <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        >
        > The
        > ZetaTalk Newsletter
        >
        > Issue 104,
        > Sunday November 9, 2008
        >
        > Election
        > Results
        >
        > As predicted by
        > the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
        > state,
        > was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up in
        > Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
        > actual
        > result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        >
        > <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        >
        > We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
        > MOCKED!
        > salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > http://zetaheaven.org
      • Ted
        Nice to hear a sane voice of reason. I m glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at times. Obama, well we ll see. Why anyone would
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 13, 2008
          Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
          I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
          times.
          Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
          Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
          economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
          the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

          Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
          freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
          think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
          the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
          his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
          Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
          President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
          Good to see you're back.
          Later...
          Ted
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: <masanga@...>
          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          > Hi Ted,
          >
          > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
          > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
          > got
          > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
          > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
          > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
          > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
          > Barack
          > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
          > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
          > the
          > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
          > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
          > world-historic
          > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
          > not? I found this puzzling.
          >
          > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
          > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
          > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
          > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
          > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
          > whole
          > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
          > Lambremont
          > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
          > the
          > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
          > myself
          > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
          >
          > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
          > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
          > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
          > am
          > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
          > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
          > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
          > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
          > on
          > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
          > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
          > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
          > fact -
          > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
          > activity
          > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
          > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
          > that
          > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
          > consequences of doing it.
          >
          > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
          > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
          >
          > Warm regards,
          > Regan
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: Ted
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          > So you're back with a vengeance
          > Well I meant a quote.
          > .
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: <masanga@...>
          > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
          >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
          >> reported
          >> to have said:
          >>
          >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
          >> fantasies
          >> into the pit of destruction."
          >>
          >> Regan
          >>
          >>
          >> ----- Original Message -----
          >> From: nathaniel x vance
          >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
          >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >>
          >> ZetaTalk:
          >> GodlikeProduction Live
          >>
          >> written
          >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          >>
          >> Questioner: Obama
          >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
          >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
          >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
          >> president, what does it mean for the
          >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
          >> have
          >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
          >> like
          >> to ask the Zetas if on
          >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
          >> so
          >> was
          >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
          >> CNN
          >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
          >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
          >> comment.
          >>
          >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
          >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
          >> and
          >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
          >> older
          >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
          >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
          >> race
          >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
          >> loss
          >> of
          >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
          >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
          >> what
          >> the
          >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
          >> learn
          >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
          >> crimes,
          >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
          >> the
          >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
          >> presence
          >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
          >> the
          >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
          >> him
          >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
          >> Why would
          >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
          >> boundaries
          >> are
          >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
          >> how
          >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
          >> decided.
          >>
          >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          >>
          >> Zeta response: This
          >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
          >> future.
          >>
          >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
          >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
          >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          >> figuratively?
          >>
          >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
          >> early
          >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
          >> was
          >> a
          >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
          >> circumstances
          >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
          >> and
          >> mind
          >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
          >> that
          >> they have a new soul within.
          >>
          >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          >>
          >> The
          >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
          >>
          >> Issue 104,
          >> Sunday November 9, 2008
          >>
          >> Election
          >> Results
          >>
          >> As predicted by
          >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
          >> state,
          >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
          >> in
          >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
          >> actual
          >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          >>
          >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          >>
          >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
          >> MOCKED!
          >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          >> http://zetaheaven.org
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
        • nathaniel x vance
          Dear Regan, Ted, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
            Dear Regan, Ted,
            President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
            certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
            greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
            barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
            him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
            afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
            and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
            victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
            24/7!!
            I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
            is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
            for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
            righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
            and sconld.
            We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
            intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
            re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
            less!
            Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
            >
            > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
            at
            > times.
            > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
            > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
            the
            > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
            And by
            > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
            >
            > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
            mae,
            > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
            would
            > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
            into
            > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
            and
            > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
            things.
            > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
            for
            > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
            friends.
            > Good to see you're back.
            > Later...
            > Ted
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: masanga@...
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > > Hi Ted,
            > >
            > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
            to get
            > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
            eventually
            > > got
            > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
            my
            > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
            and was
            > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
            forum
            > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
            of
            > > Barack
            > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
            them. The
            > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
            joy in
            > > the
            > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
            age has
            > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            > > world-historic
            > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
            Why
            > > not? I found this puzzling.
            > >
            > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
            election
            > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
            politicians
            > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
            that
            > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
            constitutes
            > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
            the
            > > whole
            > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            > > Lambremont
            > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
            remove
            > > the
            > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
            > > myself
            > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
            > >
            > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
            found no
            > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
            from
            > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
            whenever I
            > > am
            > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
            that
            > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
            want to
            > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
            may be.
            > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
            Zeta -
            > > on
            > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
            among us
            > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
            So my
            > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
            > > fact -
            > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
            > > activity
            > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
            > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
            do
            > > that
            > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
            natural
            > > consequences of doing it.
            > >
            > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
            now
            > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            > >
            > > Warm regards,
            > > Regan
            > >
            > >
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: Ted
            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >
            > >
            > > So you're back with a vengeance
            > > Well I meant a quote.
            > > .
            > > ----- Original Message -----
            > > From: masanga@...
            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >
            > >
            > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
            words of
            > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
            > >> reported
            > >> to have said:
            > >>
            > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            > >> fantasies
            > >> into the pit of destruction."
            > >>
            > >> Regan
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> ----- Original Message -----
            > >> From: nathaniel x vance
            > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
            TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
            ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
            earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >> ZetaTalk:
            > >> GodlikeProduction Live
            > >>
            > >> written
            > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            > >>
            > >> Questioner: Obama
            > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
            did on
            > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
            in his
            > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
            > >> president, what does it mean for the
            > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
            Zetas
            > >> have
            > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
            would
            > >> like
            > >> to ask the Zetas if on
            > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
            and if
            > >> so
            > >> was
            > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
            Friday the
            > >> CNN
            > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
            "pause"
            > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
            to
            > >> comment.
            > >>
            > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
            > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
            heart
            > >> and
            > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
            looked
            > >> older
            > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
            > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
            Yet the
            > >> race
            > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
            him
            > >> loss
            > >> of
            > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
            already
            > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
            and
            > >> what
            > >> the
            > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
            did not
            > >> learn
            > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
            company
            > >> crimes,
            > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
            and
            > >> the
            > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
            planetary
            > >> presence
            > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
            heard
            > >> the
            > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
            to
            > >> him
            > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
            confirmation.
            > >> Why would
            > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
            > >> boundaries
            > >> are
            > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
            and
            > >> how
            > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
            > >> decided.
            > >>
            > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            > >>
            > >> Zeta response: This
            > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
            in the
            > >> future.
            > >>
            > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
            is
            > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
            Lincoln
            > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            > >> figuratively?
            > >>
            > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
            recognize
            > >> early
            > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
            he
            > >> was
            > >> a
            > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
            > >> circumstances
            > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
            body
            > >> and
            > >> mind
            > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
            conclusion
            > >> that
            > >> they have a new soul within.
            > >>
            > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            > >>
            > >> The
            > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            > >>
            > >> Issue 104,
            > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            > >>
            > >> Election
            > >> Results
            > >>
            > >> As predicted by
            > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
            state by
            > >> state,
            > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
            ended up
            > >> in
            > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
            the
            > >> actual
            > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            > >>
            > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            > >>
            > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
            Not
            > >> MOCKED!
            > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            > >> http://zetaheaven.org
            > >
            > >
            > > ------------------------------------
            > >
            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
            > >
            > >
            > >
            >
          • Ted
            Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama s staff, like spiritual advisors. Heck it s worth a try. Then
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
              Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama's staff, like spiritual advisors.
              Heck it's worth a try.
              Then just maybe you'll keep your dribble off my screen.
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: nathaniel x vance
              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:47 AM
              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              Dear Regan, Ted,
              President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
              greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
              barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
              him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
              afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
              and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
              victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
              24/7!!
              I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
              is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
              for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
              righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              and sconld.
              We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
              less!
              Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
              >
              > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
              at
              > times.
              > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
              > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
              the
              > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
              And by
              > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              >
              > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
              mae,
              > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              would
              > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
              into
              > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
              and
              > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              things.
              > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
              for
              > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              friends.
              > Good to see you're back.
              > Later...
              > Ted
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: masanga@...
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > > Hi Ted,
              > >
              > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              to get
              > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              eventually
              > > got
              > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
              my
              > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
              and was
              > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              forum
              > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
              of
              > > Barack
              > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              them. The
              > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
              joy in
              > > the
              > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
              age has
              > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              > > world-historic
              > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
              Why
              > > not? I found this puzzling.
              > >
              > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              election
              > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              politicians
              > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
              that
              > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              constitutes
              > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              the
              > > whole
              > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              > > Lambremont
              > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
              remove
              > > the
              > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
              > > myself
              > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
              > >
              > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              found no
              > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
              from
              > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              whenever I
              > > am
              > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              that
              > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
              want to
              > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
              may be.
              > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
              Zeta -
              > > on
              > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
              among us
              > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
              So my
              > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
              > > fact -
              > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
              > > activity
              > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
              > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
              do
              > > that
              > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              natural
              > > consequences of doing it.
              > >
              > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              now
              > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              > >
              > > Warm regards,
              > > Regan
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: Ted
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > > So you're back with a vengeance
              > > Well I meant a quote.
              > > .
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: masanga@...
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              words of
              > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
              > >> reported
              > >> to have said:
              > >>
              > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              > >> fantasies
              > >> into the pit of destruction."
              > >>
              > >> Regan
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> ----- Original Message -----
              > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> ZetaTalk:
              > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              > >>
              > >> written
              > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: Obama
              > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
              did on
              > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
              in his
              > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
              > >> president, what does it mean for the
              > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
              Zetas
              > >> have
              > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              would
              > >> like
              > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
              and if
              > >> so
              > >> was
              > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              Friday the
              > >> CNN
              > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              "pause"
              > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
              to
              > >> comment.
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
              > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
              heart
              > >> and
              > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
              looked
              > >> older
              > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
              > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
              Yet the
              > >> race
              > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
              him
              > >> loss
              > >> of
              > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              already
              > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
              and
              > >> what
              > >> the
              > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
              did not
              > >> learn
              > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              company
              > >> crimes,
              > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
              and
              > >> the
              > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              planetary
              > >> presence
              > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
              heard
              > >> the
              > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
              to
              > >> him
              > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              confirmation.
              > >> Why would
              > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
              > >> boundaries
              > >> are
              > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
              and
              > >> how
              > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
              > >> decided.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: This
              > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
              in the
              > >> future.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
              is
              > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              Lincoln
              > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              > >> figuratively?
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              recognize
              > >> early
              > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
              he
              > >> was
              > >> a
              > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
              > >> circumstances
              > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
              body
              > >> and
              > >> mind
              > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              conclusion
              > >> that
              > >> they have a new soul within.
              > >>
              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              > >>
              > >> The
              > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              > >>
              > >> Issue 104,
              > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              > >>
              > >> Election
              > >> Results
              > >>
              > >> As predicted by
              > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              state by
              > >> state,
              > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              ended up
              > >> in
              > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
              the
              > >> actual
              > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              > >>
              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              > >>
              > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
              Not
              > >> MOCKED!
              > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------------------------------
              > >
              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >





              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            • masanga@talktalk.net
              It s good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama s new job either, especially under the present
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
                It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
                you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
                under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
                know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
                thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as the
                media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
                nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able to
                act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
                them to be.

                But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
                have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
                possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man, I
                expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
                waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
                course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
                they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
                can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
                hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.

                In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of the
                fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
                but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
                in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of free-market
                capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
                species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
                mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.

                He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
                "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
                "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
                humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture, for
                now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that humanity
                can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama and
                his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
                by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.

                Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
                shift too.

                Cheers Ted,
                Regan


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Ted
                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
                times.
                Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
                economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
                the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

                Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
                freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
                think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
                the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
                his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
                Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
                President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
                Good to see you're back.
                Later...
                Ted
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: <masanga@...>
                To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                > Hi Ted,
                >
                > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
                > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
                > got
                > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
                > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
                > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
                > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
                > Barack
                > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
                > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
                > the
                > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
                > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                > world-historic
                > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
                > not? I found this puzzling.
                >
                > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
                > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
                > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
                > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
                > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
                > whole
                > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                > Lambremont
                > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
                > the
                > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                > myself
                > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                >
                > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
                > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
                > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
                > am
                > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
                > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
                > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
                > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
                > on
                > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
                > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
                > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                > fact -
                > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                > activity
                > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
                > that
                > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
                > consequences of doing it.
                >
                > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
                > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                >
                > Warm regards,
                > Regan
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: Ted
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > So you're back with a vengeance
                > Well I meant a quote.
                > .
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: <masanga@...>
                > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
                >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                >> reported
                >> to have said:
                >>
                >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                >> fantasies
                >> into the pit of destruction."
                >>
                >> Regan
                >>
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: nathaniel x vance
                >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >>
                >> ZetaTalk:
                >> GodlikeProduction Live
                >>
                >> written
                >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                >>
                >> Questioner: Obama
                >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
                >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
                >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                >> president, what does it mean for the
                >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
                >> have
                >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
                >> like
                >> to ask the Zetas if on
                >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
                >> so
                >> was
                >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
                >> CNN
                >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
                >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
                >> comment.
                >>
                >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
                >> and
                >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
                >> older
                >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
                >> race
                >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
                >> loss
                >> of
                >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
                >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
                >> what
                >> the
                >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
                >> learn
                >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
                >> crimes,
                >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
                >> the
                >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
                >> presence
                >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
                >> the
                >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
                >> him
                >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
                >> Why would
                >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                >> boundaries
                >> are
                >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
                >> how
                >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                >> decided.
                >>
                >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                >>
                >> Zeta response: This
                >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
                >> future.
                >>
                >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
                >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
                >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                >> figuratively?
                >>
                >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
                >> early
                >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
                >> was
                >> a
                >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                >> circumstances
                >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
                >> and
                >> mind
                >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
                >> that
                >> they have a new soul within.
                >>
                >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                >>
                >> The
                >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                >>
                >> Issue 104,
                >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                >>
                >> Election
                >> Results
                >>
                >> As predicted by
                >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
                >> state,
                >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
                >> in
                >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
                >> actual
                >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                >>
                >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                >>
                >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
                >> MOCKED!
                >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                >> http://zetaheaven.org
                >
                >
                > ------------------------------------
              • Ted
                We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still ... From: To: Sent: Friday, November 14,
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
                  We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: <masanga@...>
                  To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:44 AM
                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                  > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
                  > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
                  > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
                  > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
                  > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as
                  > the
                  > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                  > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
                  > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able
                  > to
                  > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
                  > them to be.
                  >
                  > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
                  > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
                  > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man,
                  > I
                  > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
                  > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                  > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
                  > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                  > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                  > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
                  > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                  > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
                  > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
                  > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                  >
                  > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of
                  > the
                  > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
                  > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
                  > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                  > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                  > free-market
                  > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
                  > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
                  > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                  >
                  > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
                  > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
                  > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                  > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                  > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
                  > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture,
                  > for
                  > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                  > humanity
                  > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama
                  > and
                  > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
                  > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                  >
                  > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
                  > shift too.
                  >
                  > Cheers Ted,
                  > Regan
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Ted
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
                  > times.
                  > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                  > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
                  > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And
                  > by
                  > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  >
                  > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
                  > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
                  > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
                  > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
                  > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                  > things.
                  > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
                  > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
                  > Good to see you're back.
                  > Later...
                  > Ted
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: <masanga@...>
                  > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  >> Hi Ted,
                  >>
                  >> Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to
                  >> get
                  >> reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
                  >> got
                  >> back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
                  >> In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and
                  >> was
                  >> struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
                  >> although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
                  >> Barack
                  >> Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them.
                  >> The
                  >> masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
                  >> the
                  >> fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age
                  >> has
                  >> dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  >> world-historic
                  >> event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
                  >> not? I found this puzzling.
                  >>
                  >> Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
                  >> from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
                  >> themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
                  >> presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
                  >> this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
                  >> whole
                  >> of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  >> Lambremont
                  >> Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
                  >> the
                  >> Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                  >> myself
                  >> so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                  >>
                  >> The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found
                  >> no
                  >> difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
                  >> turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
                  >> am
                  >> confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
                  >> service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want
                  >> to
                  >> get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may
                  >> be.
                  >> Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
                  >> on
                  >> the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among
                  >> us
                  >> who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
                  >> response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                  >> fact -
                  >> to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                  >> activity
                  >> and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                  >> personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
                  >> that
                  >> if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
                  >> consequences of doing it.
                  >>
                  >> I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
                  >> made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  >>
                  >> Warm regards,
                  >> Regan
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: Ted
                  >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> So you're back with a vengeance
                  >> Well I meant a quote.
                  >> .
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: <masanga@...>
                  >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
                  >>> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                  >>> reported
                  >>> to have said:
                  >>>
                  >>> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  >>> fantasies
                  >>> into the pit of destruction."
                  >>>
                  >>> Regan
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> ----- Original Message -----
                  >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                  >>> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com
                  >>> ;
                  >>> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com
                  >>> ;
                  >>> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >>> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>>
                  >>> ZetaTalk:
                  >>> GodlikeProduction Live
                  >>>
                  >>> written
                  >>> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  >>>
                  >>> Questioner: Obama
                  >>> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
                  >>> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
                  >>> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                  >>> president, what does it mean for the
                  >>> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
                  >>> have
                  >>> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
                  >>> like
                  >>> to ask the Zetas if on
                  >>> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
                  >>> so
                  >>> was
                  >>> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
                  >>> CNN
                  >>> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
                  >>> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  >>> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
                  >>> comment.
                  >>>
                  >>> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                  >>> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
                  >>> and
                  >>> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                  >>> looked
                  >>> older
                  >>> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                  >>> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet
                  >>> the
                  >>> race
                  >>> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
                  >>> loss
                  >>> of
                  >>> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
                  >>> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
                  >>> what
                  >>> the
                  >>> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did
                  >>> not
                  >>> learn
                  >>> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
                  >>> crimes,
                  >>> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
                  >>> the
                  >>> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
                  >>> presence
                  >>> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
                  >>> the
                  >>> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
                  >>> him
                  >>> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  >>> confirmation.
                  >>> Why would
                  >>> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                  >>> boundaries
                  >>> are
                  >>> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
                  >>> how
                  >>> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                  >>> decided.
                  >>>
                  >>> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  >>> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  >>>
                  >>> Zeta response: This
                  >>> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
                  >>> future.
                  >>>
                  >>> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  >>> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
                  >>> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
                  >>> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  >>> figuratively?
                  >>>
                  >>> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  >>> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
                  >>> early
                  >>> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
                  >>> was
                  >>> a
                  >>> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                  >>> circumstances
                  >>> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
                  >>> and
                  >>> mind
                  >>> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
                  >>> that
                  >>> they have a new soul within.
                  >>>
                  >>> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  >>>
                  >>> The
                  >>> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  >>>
                  >>> Issue 104,
                  >>> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  >>>
                  >>> Election
                  >>> Results
                  >>>
                  >>> As predicted by
                  >>> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
                  >>> state,
                  >>> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  >>> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
                  >>> in
                  >>> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
                  >>> actual
                  >>> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  >>> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  >>>
                  >>> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  >>>
                  >>> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
                  >>> MOCKED!
                  >>> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  >>> http://zetaheaven.org
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ------------------------------------
                  >
                  >
                  > ------------------------------------
                  >
                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  >
                  >
                  >
                • masanga@talktalk.net
                  Dear Nathaniel, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
                    Dear Nathaniel,

                    "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain
                    number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                    wicked...."

                    Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes of our
                    lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone else
                    in this respect.

                    ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would win
                    despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."

                    So did a lot of other people predict it too and without needing any
                    "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the "seemingly
                    insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He seemed to
                    have a clear run to me.

                    ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."

                    Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible about
                    that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.

                    "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and praises
                    to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted
                    him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected
                    around the clock 24/7!!"

                    You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                    meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really in
                    defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                    Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up to
                    the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                    supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a system
                    of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where the
                    people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become the
                    all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                    Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken office
                    yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit for
                    becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.

                    "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She is
                    doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness for the
                    wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."

                    I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as I see
                    it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be as you
                    say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                    transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I think she
                    is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is independent
                    of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting the
                    existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the anonymous
                    "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on sheer
                    blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of the
                    terms.

                    ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed and
                    sconld...."

                    What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or scold
                    her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially and
                    objectively.

                    "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                    intransigence...."

                    How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to compromise" and
                    to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us to
                    make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder what
                    they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think she
                    cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price. But
                    then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.

                    "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance of
                    the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                    Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."

                    Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or
                    is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                    statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which she has
                    now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which you
                    posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she can
                    turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into an
                    alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or even
                    appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence? It is
                    nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing to pay
                    before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too high for
                    me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                    picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                    perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                    ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a lie the
                    next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                    appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.

                    Regards,
                    Regan


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: nathaniel x vance
                    To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                    Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                    Dear Regan, Ted,
                    President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                    certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                    greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                    barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                    him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                    afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                    and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
                    victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                    24/7!!
                    I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                    is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                    for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                    righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                    and sconld.
                    We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                    intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                    re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
                    less!
                    Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                    at
                    > times.
                    > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                    > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                    the
                    > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                    And by
                    > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    >
                    > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                    mae,
                    > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                    would
                    > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                    into
                    > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                    and
                    > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                    things.
                    > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                    for
                    > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                    friends.
                    > Good to see you're back.
                    > Later...
                    > Ted
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: masanga@...
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > > Hi Ted,
                    > >
                    > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                    to get
                    > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                    eventually
                    > > got
                    > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                    my
                    > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                    and was
                    > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                    forum
                    > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                    of
                    > > Barack
                    > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                    them. The
                    > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                    joy in
                    > > the
                    > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                    age has
                    > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    > > world-historic
                    > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                    Why
                    > > not? I found this puzzling.
                    > >
                    > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                    election
                    > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                    politicians
                    > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                    that
                    > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                    constitutes
                    > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                    the
                    > > whole
                    > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                    > > Lambremont
                    > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                    remove
                    > > the
                    > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                    > > myself
                    > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                    > >
                    > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                    found no
                    > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                    from
                    > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                    whenever I
                    > > am
                    > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                    that
                    > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                    want to
                    > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                    may be.
                    > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                    Zeta -
                    > > on
                    > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                    among us
                    > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                    So my
                    > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                    > > fact -
                    > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                    > > activity
                    > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                    > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                    do
                    > > that
                    > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                    natural
                    > > consequences of doing it.
                    > >
                    > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                    now
                    > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    > >
                    > > Warm regards,
                    > > Regan
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: Ted
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > So you're back with a vengeance
                    > > Well I meant a quote.
                    > > .
                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                    > > From: masanga@...
                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                    words of
                    > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                    > >> reported
                    > >> to have said:
                    > >>
                    > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    > >> fantasies
                    > >> into the pit of destruction."
                    > >>
                    > >> Regan
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> ----- Original Message -----
                    > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                    TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                    ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                    earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >>
                    > >> ZetaTalk:
                    > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    > >>
                    > >> written
                    > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    > >>
                    > >> Questioner: Obama
                    > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                    did on
                    > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                    in his
                    > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                    > >> president, what does it mean for the
                    > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                    Zetas
                    > >> have
                    > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                    would
                    > >> like
                    > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                    and if
                    > >> so
                    > >> was
                    > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                    Friday the
                    > >> CNN
                    > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                    "pause"
                    > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                    > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                    to
                    > >> comment.
                    > >>
                    > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                    > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                    heart
                    > >> and
                    > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                    looked
                    > >> older
                    > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                    > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                    Yet the
                    > >> race
                    > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                    him
                    > >> loss
                    > >> of
                    > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                    already
                    > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                    and
                    > >> what
                    > >> the
                    > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                    did not
                    > >> learn
                    > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                    company
                    > >> crimes,
                    > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                    and
                    > >> the
                    > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                    planetary
                    > >> presence
                    > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                    heard
                    > >> the
                    > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                    to
                    > >> him
                    > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    confirmation.
                    > >> Why would
                    > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                    > >> boundaries
                    > >> are
                    > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                    and
                    > >> how
                    > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                    > >> decided.
                    > >>
                    > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    > >>
                    > >> Zeta response: This
                    > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                    in the
                    > >> future.
                    > >>
                    > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                    is
                    > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                    Lincoln
                    > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    > >> figuratively?
                    > >>
                    > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                    recognize
                    > >> early
                    > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                    he
                    > >> was
                    > >> a
                    > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                    > >> circumstances
                    > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                    body
                    > >> and
                    > >> mind
                    > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                    conclusion
                    > >> that
                    > >> they have a new soul within.
                    > >>
                    > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    > >>
                    > >> The
                    > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    > >>
                    > >> Issue 104,
                    > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    > >>
                    > >> Election
                    > >> Results
                    > >>
                    > >> As predicted by
                    > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                    state by
                    > >> state,
                    > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                    ended up
                    > >> in
                    > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                    the
                    > >> actual
                    > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    > >>
                    > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    > >>
                    > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                    Not
                    > >> MOCKED!
                    > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ------------------------------------
                  • nathaniel x vance
                    Dear masanga, Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                      Dear masanga,
                      Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                      must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                      rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                      of some kind of powerful medication?
                      I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                      not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                      on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                      shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                      My sympathy.

                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                      Like
                      > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                      especially
                      > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                      not
                      > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                      he
                      > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                      as the
                      > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                      > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                      powerful
                      > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                      able to
                      > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                      perceives
                      > them to be.
                      >
                      > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                      probably
                      > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                      his
                      > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                      man, I
                      > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                      in
                      > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                      > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                      of
                      > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                      > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                      > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                      that
                      > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                      > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                      saviour
                      > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                      can
                      > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                      >
                      > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                      of the
                      > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                      problem
                      > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                      that is
                      > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                      > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                      free-market
                      > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                      intelligent
                      > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                      collective
                      > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                      >
                      > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                      worshipping
                      > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                      in
                      > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                      > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                      > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                      underlie
                      > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                      torture, for
                      > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                      humanity
                      > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                      Obama and
                      > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                      identified
                      > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                      >
                      > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                      pole
                      > shift too.
                      >
                      > Cheers Ted,
                      > Regan
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: Ted
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                      at
                      > times.
                      > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                      > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                      the
                      > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                      And by
                      > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      >
                      > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                      mae,
                      > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                      would
                      > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                      into
                      > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                      and
                      > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                      things.
                      > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                      for
                      > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      friends.
                      > Good to see you're back.
                      > Later...
                      > Ted
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: masanga@...
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > > Hi Ted,
                      > >
                      > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      to get
                      > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      eventually
                      > > got
                      > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                      my
                      > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                      and was
                      > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                      forum
                      > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                      of
                      > > Barack
                      > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                      them. The
                      > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                      joy in
                      > > the
                      > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                      age has
                      > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      > > world-historic
                      > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                      Why
                      > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      > >
                      > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      election
                      > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      politicians
                      > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                      that
                      > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      constitutes
                      > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                      the
                      > > whole
                      > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                      > > Lambremont
                      > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                      remove
                      > > the
                      > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                      > > myself
                      > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                      > >
                      > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      found no
                      > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                      from
                      > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      whenever I
                      > > am
                      > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                      that
                      > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                      want to
                      > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                      may be.
                      > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                      Zeta -
                      > > on
                      > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                      among us
                      > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                      So my
                      > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                      > > fact -
                      > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                      > > activity
                      > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                      > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                      do
                      > > that
                      > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      natural
                      > > consequences of doing it.
                      > >
                      > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      now
                      > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      > >
                      > > Warm regards,
                      > > Regan
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: Ted
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      > > Well I meant a quote.
                      > > .
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: masanga@...
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      words of
                      > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                      > >> reported
                      > >> to have said:
                      > >>
                      > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      > >> fantasies
                      > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      > >>
                      > >> Regan
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> ZetaTalk:
                      > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      > >>
                      > >> written
                      > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      > >>
                      > >> Questioner: Obama
                      > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                      did on
                      > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                      in his
                      > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                      > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                      Zetas
                      > >> have
                      > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                      would
                      > >> like
                      > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                      and if
                      > >> so
                      > >> was
                      > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                      Friday the
                      > >> CNN
                      > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      "pause"
                      > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                      > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                      to
                      > >> comment.
                      > >>
                      > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                      > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                      heart
                      > >> and
                      > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                      looked
                      > >> older
                      > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                      > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                      Yet the
                      > >> race
                      > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                      him
                      > >> loss
                      > >> of
                      > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                      already
                      > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                      and
                      > >> what
                      > >> the
                      > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                      did not
                      > >> learn
                      > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                      company
                      > >> crimes,
                      > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                      and
                      > >> the
                      > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      planetary
                      > >> presence
                      > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                      heard
                      > >> the
                      > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                      to
                      > >> him
                      > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      confirmation.
                      > >> Why would
                      > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                      > >> boundaries
                      > >> are
                      > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                      and
                      > >> how
                      > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                      > >> decided.
                      > >>
                      > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      > >>
                      > >> Zeta response: This
                      > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                      in the
                      > >> future.
                      > >>
                      > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                      is
                      > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                      Lincoln
                      > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      > >> figuratively?
                      > >>
                      > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      recognize
                      > >> early
                      > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                      he
                      > >> was
                      > >> a
                      > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                      > >> circumstances
                      > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                      body
                      > >> and
                      > >> mind
                      > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      conclusion
                      > >> that
                      > >> they have a new soul within.
                      > >>
                      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      > >>
                      > >> The
                      > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      > >>
                      > >> Issue 104,
                      > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      > >>
                      > >> Election
                      > >> Results
                      > >>
                      > >> As predicted by
                      > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                      state by
                      > >> state,
                      > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                      ended up
                      > >> in
                      > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                      the
                      > >> actual
                      > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      > >>
                      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      > >>
                      > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                      Not
                      > >> MOCKED!
                      > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ------------------------------------
                      >
                    • nathaniel x vance
                      Dear masanga, I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of seven.
                      Message 10 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                        Dear masanga,
                        I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                        your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                        seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                        crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                        your answer be?
                        Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                        someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                        you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                        UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                        to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                        his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                        would qualify.
                        As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                        level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                        Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Dear Nathaniel,
                        >
                        > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        certain
                        > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                        > wicked...."
                        >
                        > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                        of our
                        > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                        else
                        > in this respect.
                        >
                        > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                        win
                        > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                        >
                        > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                        needing any
                        > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                        "seemingly
                        > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                        seemed to
                        > have a clear run to me.
                        >
                        > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                        >
                        > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                        about
                        > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                        >
                        > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                        praises
                        > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                        asssisted
                        > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                        protected
                        > around the clock 24/7!!"
                        >
                        > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                        > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                        in
                        > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                        > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                        to
                        > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                        > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                        system
                        > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                        the
                        > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                        the
                        > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                        > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                        office
                        > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                        for
                        > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                        >
                        > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                        She is
                        > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                        for the
                        > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                        >
                        > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                        I see
                        > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                        as you
                        > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                        > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                        think she
                        > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                        independent
                        > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                        the
                        > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                        anonymous
                        > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                        sheer
                        > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                        the
                        > terms.
                        >
                        > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                        and
                        > sconld...."
                        >
                        > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                        scold
                        > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                        and
                        > objectively.
                        >
                        > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                        morbid
                        > intransigence...."
                        >
                        > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                        compromise" and
                        > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                        to
                        > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                        what
                        > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                        she
                        > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                        But
                        > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                        >
                        > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                        of
                        > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                        > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                        >
                        > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                        we? Or
                        > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                        > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                        she has
                        > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                        you
                        > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                        can
                        > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                        an
                        > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                        even
                        > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                        It is
                        > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                        to pay
                        > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                        high for
                        > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                        > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                        > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                        > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                        lie the
                        > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                        > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                        >
                        > Regards,
                        > Regan
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: nathaniel x vance
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > Dear Regan, Ted,
                        > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                        > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                        > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                        > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                        > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                        > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                        this
                        > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                        > 24/7!!
                        > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                        > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                        consciousness
                        > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                        > and sconld.
                        > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                        > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                        or
                        > less!
                        > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                        >
                        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                        bitch
                        > at
                        > > times.
                        > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                        > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                        > the
                        > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                        count.
                        > And by
                        > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        > >
                        > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                        FANNIE
                        > mae,
                        > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                        > would
                        > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                        > into
                        > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                        idea,
                        > and
                        > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                        > things.
                        > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                        name
                        > for
                        > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        > friends.
                        > > Good to see you're back.
                        > > Later...
                        > > Ted
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: masanga@
                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > Hi Ted,
                        > > >
                        > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        > to get
                        > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        > eventually
                        > > > got
                        > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                        in
                        > my
                        > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                        > and was
                        > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                        > forum
                        > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                        > of
                        > > > Barack
                        > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                        > them. The
                        > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                        > joy in
                        > > > the
                        > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                        > age has
                        > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        > > > world-historic
                        > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                        here.
                        > Why
                        > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        > > >
                        > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        > election
                        > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        > politicians
                        > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                        > that
                        > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        > constitutes
                        > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                        > the
                        > > > whole
                        > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                        > > > Lambremont
                        > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                        > remove
                        > > > the
                        > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                        anything
                        > > > myself
                        > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                        > > >
                        > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        > found no
                        > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                        > from
                        > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        > whenever I
                        > > > am
                        > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                        > that
                        > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                        > want to
                        > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                        > may be.
                        > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                        > Zeta -
                        > > > on
                        > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                        > among us
                        > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                        > So my
                        > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                        in
                        > > > fact -
                        > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                        > > > activity
                        > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                        their
                        > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                        > do
                        > > > that
                        > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        > natural
                        > > > consequences of doing it.
                        > > >
                        > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        > now
                        > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        > > >
                        > > > Warm regards,
                        > > > Regan
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: Ted
                        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        > > > Well I meant a quote.
                        > > > .
                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > > From: masanga@
                        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                        [11-08-08]
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        > words of
                        > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                        > > >> reported
                        > > >> to have said:
                        > > >>
                        > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        > > >> fantasies
                        > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Regan
                        > > >>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > > >>
                        > > >>
                        > > >>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> ZetaTalk:
                        > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        > > >>
                        > > >> written
                        > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Questioner: Obama
                        > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                        > did on
                        > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                        > in his
                        > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                        new
                        > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                        The
                        > Zetas
                        > > >> have
                        > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                        > would
                        > > >> like
                        > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                        > and if
                        > > >> so
                        > > >> was
                        > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                        > Friday the
                        > > >> CNN
                        > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        > "pause"
                        > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                        > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                        declined
                        > to
                        > > >> comment.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                        consensus
                        > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                        > heart
                        > > >> and
                        > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                        Obama
                        > looked
                        > > >> older
                        > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                        > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                        > Yet the
                        > > >> race
                        > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                        causing
                        > him
                        > > >> loss
                        > > >> of
                        > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                        > already
                        > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                        > and
                        > > >> what
                        > > >> the
                        > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                        > did not
                        > > >> learn
                        > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                        > company
                        > > >> crimes,
                        > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                        FBI
                        > and
                        > > >> the
                        > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        > planetary
                        > > >> presence
                        > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                        had
                        > heard
                        > > >> the
                        > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                        relayed
                        > to
                        > > >> him
                        > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        > confirmation.
                        > > >> Why would
                        > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                        > > >> boundaries
                        > > >> are
                        > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                        cover-up,
                        > and
                        > > >> how
                        > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                        been
                        > > >> decided.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Zeta response: This
                        > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                        > in the
                        > > >> future.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                        He
                        > is
                        > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                        > Lincoln
                        > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                        > > >> figuratively?
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                        > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        > recognize
                        > > >> early
                        > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                        case,
                        > he
                        > > >> was
                        > > >> a
                        > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                        > > >> circumstances
                        > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                        > body
                        > > >> and
                        > > >> mind
                        > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        > conclusion
                        > > >> that
                        > > >> they have a new soul within.
                        > > >>
                        > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> The
                        > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Issue 104,
                        > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        > > >>
                        > > >> Election
                        > > >> Results
                        > > >>
                        > > >> As predicted by
                        > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                        > state by
                        > > >> state,
                        > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                        > ended up
                        > > >> in
                        > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                        > the
                        > > >> actual
                        > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        > > >>
                        > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                        > Not
                        > > >> MOCKED!
                        > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > ------------------------------------
                        >



                        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                      • masanga@talktalk.net
                        Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                          Nathaniel,

                          The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
                          situation. You are evading the issue.

                          Regan


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: nathaniel x vance
                          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
                          Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                          Dear masanga,
                          Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                          must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                          rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                          of some kind of powerful medication?
                          I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                          not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                          on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                          shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                          My sympathy.

                          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                          Like
                          > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                          especially
                          > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                          not
                          > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                          he
                          > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                          as the
                          > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                          > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                          powerful
                          > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                          able to
                          > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                          perceives
                          > them to be.
                          >
                          > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                          probably
                          > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                          his
                          > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                          man, I
                          > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                          in
                          > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                          > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                          of
                          > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                          > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                          > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                          that
                          > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                          > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                          saviour
                          > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                          can
                          > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                          >
                          > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                          of the
                          > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                          problem
                          > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                          that is
                          > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                          > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                          free-market
                          > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                          intelligent
                          > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                          collective
                          > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                          >
                          > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                          worshipping
                          > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                          in
                          > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                          > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                          > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                          underlie
                          > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                          torture, for
                          > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                          humanity
                          > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                          Obama and
                          > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                          identified
                          > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                          >
                          > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                          pole
                          > shift too.
                          >
                          > Cheers Ted,
                          > Regan
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Ted
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                          > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                          at
                          > times.
                          > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                          > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                          the
                          > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                          And by
                          > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                          >
                          > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                          mae,
                          > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                          would
                          > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                          into
                          > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                          and
                          > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                          things.
                          > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                          for
                          > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                          friends.
                          > Good to see you're back.
                          > Later...
                          > Ted
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: masanga@...
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > > Hi Ted,
                          > >
                          > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                          to get
                          > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                          eventually
                          > > got
                          > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                          my
                          > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                          and was
                          > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                          forum
                          > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                          of
                          > > Barack
                          > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                          them. The
                          > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                          joy in
                          > > the
                          > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                          age has
                          > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                          > > world-historic
                          > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                          Why
                          > > not? I found this puzzling.
                          > >
                          > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                          election
                          > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                          politicians
                          > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                          that
                          > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                          constitutes
                          > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                          the
                          > > whole
                          > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                          > > Lambremont
                          > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                          remove
                          > > the
                          > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                          > > myself
                          > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                          > >
                          > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                          found no
                          > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                          from
                          > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                          whenever I
                          > > am
                          > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                          that
                          > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                          want to
                          > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                          may be.
                          > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                          Zeta -
                          > > on
                          > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                          among us
                          > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                          So my
                          > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                          > > fact -
                          > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                          > > activity
                          > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                          > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                          do
                          > > that
                          > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                          natural
                          > > consequences of doing it.
                          > >
                          > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                          now
                          > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                          > >
                          > > Warm regards,
                          > > Regan
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: Ted
                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > So you're back with a vengeance
                          > > Well I meant a quote.
                          > > .
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: masanga@...
                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                          words of
                          > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                          > >> reported
                          > >> to have said:
                          > >>
                          > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                          > >> fantasies
                          > >> into the pit of destruction."
                          > >>
                          > >> Regan
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                          TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                          ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                          earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                          > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                          > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> ZetaTalk:
                          > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                          > >>
                          > >> written
                          > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                          > >>
                          > >> Questioner: Obama
                          > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                          did on
                          > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                          in his
                          > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                          > >> president, what does it mean for the
                          > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                          Zetas
                          > >> have
                          > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                          would
                          > >> like
                          > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                          > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                          and if
                          > >> so
                          > >> was
                          > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                          Friday the
                          > >> CNN
                          > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                          "pause"
                          > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                          > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                          to
                          > >> comment.
                          > >>
                          > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                          > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                          heart
                          > >> and
                          > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                          looked
                          > >> older
                          > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                          > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                          Yet the
                          > >> race
                          > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                          him
                          > >> loss
                          > >> of
                          > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                          already
                          > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                          and
                          > >> what
                          > >> the
                          > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                          did not
                          > >> learn
                          > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                          company
                          > >> crimes,
                          > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                          and
                          > >> the
                          > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                          planetary
                          > >> presence
                          > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                          heard
                          > >> the
                          > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                          to
                          > >> him
                          > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                          confirmation.
                          > >> Why would
                          > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                          > >> boundaries
                          > >> are
                          > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                          and
                          > >> how
                          > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                          > >> decided.
                          > >>
                          > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                          > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                          > >>
                          > >> Zeta response: This
                          > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                          in the
                          > >> future.
                          > >>
                          > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                          > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                          is
                          > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                          Lincoln
                          > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                          > >> figuratively?
                          > >>
                          > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                          > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                          recognize
                          > >> early
                          > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                          he
                          > >> was
                          > >> a
                          > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                          > >> circumstances
                          > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                          body
                          > >> and
                          > >> mind
                          > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                          conclusion
                          > >> that
                          > >> they have a new soul within.
                          > >>
                          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                          > >>
                          > >> The
                          > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                          > >>
                          > >> Issue 104,
                          > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                          > >>
                          > >> Election
                          > >> Results
                          > >>
                          > >> As predicted by
                          > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                          state by
                          > >> state,
                          > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                          > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                          ended up
                          > >> in
                          > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                          the
                          > >> actual
                          > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                          > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                          > >>
                          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                          > >>
                          > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                          Not
                          > >> MOCKED!
                          > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                          > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ------------------------------------
                        • masanga@talktalk.net
                          Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                          Message 12 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
                            Nathaniel,

                            I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
                            mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                            compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                            extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
                            unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
                            and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
                            they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                            automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
                            that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
                            Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
                            come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
                            this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
                            and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                            confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
                            to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
                            down to absolute zero in time.

                            I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
                            from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
                            want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
                            first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
                            that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

                            Sincerely,
                            Regan (masanga)


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: nathaniel x vance
                            To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                            Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                            Dear masanga,
                            I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                            your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                            seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                            crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                            your answer be?
                            Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                            someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                            you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                            UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                            to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                            his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                            would qualify.
                            As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                            level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                            Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Dear Nathaniel,
                            >
                            > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            certain
                            > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                            > wicked...."
                            >
                            > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                            of our
                            > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                            else
                            > in this respect.
                            >
                            > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                            win
                            > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                            >
                            > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                            needing any
                            > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                            "seemingly
                            > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                            seemed to
                            > have a clear run to me.
                            >
                            > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                            >
                            > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                            about
                            > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                            >
                            > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                            praises
                            > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                            asssisted
                            > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                            protected
                            > around the clock 24/7!!"
                            >
                            > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                            > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                            in
                            > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                            > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                            to
                            > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                            > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                            system
                            > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                            the
                            > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                            the
                            > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                            > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                            office
                            > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                            for
                            > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                            >
                            > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                            She is
                            > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                            for the
                            > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                            >
                            > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                            I see
                            > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                            as you
                            > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                            > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                            think she
                            > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                            independent
                            > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                            the
                            > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                            anonymous
                            > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                            sheer
                            > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                            the
                            > terms.
                            >
                            > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                            and
                            > sconld...."
                            >
                            > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                            scold
                            > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                            and
                            > objectively.
                            >
                            > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                            morbid
                            > intransigence...."
                            >
                            > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                            compromise" and
                            > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                            to
                            > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                            what
                            > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                            she
                            > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                            But
                            > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                            >
                            > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                            of
                            > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                            > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                            >
                            > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                            we? Or
                            > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                            > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                            she has
                            > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                            you
                            > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                            can
                            > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                            an
                            > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                            even
                            > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                            It is
                            > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                            to pay
                            > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                            high for
                            > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                            > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                            > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                            > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                            lie the
                            > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                            > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                            >
                            > Regards,
                            > Regan
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            > Dear Regan, Ted,
                            > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                            > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                            > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                            > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                            > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                            > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                            this
                            > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                            > 24/7!!
                            > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                            > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                            consciousness
                            > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                            > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                            > and sconld.
                            > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                            > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                            or
                            > less!
                            > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                            >
                            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                            > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                            bitch
                            > at
                            > > times.
                            > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                            > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                            > the
                            > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                            count.
                            > And by
                            > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                            > >
                            > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                            FANNIE
                            > mae,
                            > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                            > would
                            > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                            > into
                            > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                            idea,
                            > and
                            > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                            > things.
                            > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                            name
                            > for
                            > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                            > friends.
                            > > Good to see you're back.
                            > > Later...
                            > > Ted
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: masanga@
                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > > Hi Ted,
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                            > to get
                            > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                            > eventually
                            > > > got
                            > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                            in
                            > my
                            > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                            > and was
                            > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                            > forum
                            > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                            > of
                            > > > Barack
                            > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                            > them. The
                            > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                            > joy in
                            > > > the
                            > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                            > age has
                            > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                            > > > world-historic
                            > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                            here.
                            > Why
                            > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                            > > >
                            > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                            > election
                            > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                            > politicians
                            > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                            > that
                            > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                            > constitutes
                            > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                            > the
                            > > > whole
                            > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                            > > > Lambremont
                            > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                            > remove
                            > > > the
                            > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                            anything
                            > > > myself
                            > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                            > > >
                            > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                            > found no
                            > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                            > from
                            > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                            > whenever I
                            > > > am
                            > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                            > that
                            > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                            > want to
                            > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                            > may be.
                            > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                            > Zeta -
                            > > > on
                            > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                            > among us
                            > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                            > So my
                            > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                            in
                            > > > fact -
                            > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                            > > > activity
                            > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                            their
                            > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                            > do
                            > > > that
                            > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                            > natural
                            > > > consequences of doing it.
                            > > >
                            > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                            > now
                            > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                            > > >
                            > > > Warm regards,
                            > > > Regan
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: Ted
                            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                            > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                            > > > Well I meant a quote.
                            > > > .
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: masanga@
                            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                            > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                            > words of
                            > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                            > > >> reported
                            > > >> to have said:
                            > > >>
                            > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                            > > >> fantasies
                            > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Regan
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                            > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                            > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> ZetaTalk:
                            > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                            > > >>
                            > > >> written
                            > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Questioner: Obama
                            > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                            > did on
                            > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                            > in his
                            > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                            new
                            > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                            > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                            The
                            > Zetas
                            > > >> have
                            > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                            > would
                            > > >> like
                            > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                            > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                            > and if
                            > > >> so
                            > > >> was
                            > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                            > Friday the
                            > > >> CNN
                            > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                            > "pause"
                            > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                            > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                            declined
                            > to
                            > > >> comment.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                            consensus
                            > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                            > heart
                            > > >> and
                            > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                            Obama
                            > looked
                            > > >> older
                            > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                            > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                            > Yet the
                            > > >> race
                            > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                            causing
                            > him
                            > > >> loss
                            > > >> of
                            > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                            > already
                            > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                            > and
                            > > >> what
                            > > >> the
                            > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                            > did not
                            > > >> learn
                            > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                            > company
                            > > >> crimes,
                            > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                            FBI
                            > and
                            > > >> the
                            > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                            > planetary
                            > > >> presence
                            > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                            had
                            > heard
                            > > >> the
                            > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                            relayed
                            > to
                            > > >> him
                            > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                            > confirmation.
                            > > >> Why would
                            > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                            > > >> boundaries
                            > > >> are
                            > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                            cover-up,
                            > and
                            > > >> how
                            > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                            been
                            > > >> decided.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                            > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Zeta response: This
                            > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                            > in the
                            > > >> future.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                            > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                            He
                            > is
                            > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                            > Lincoln
                            > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                            > > >> figuratively?
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                            > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                            > recognize
                            > > >> early
                            > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                            case,
                            > he
                            > > >> was
                            > > >> a
                            > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                            > > >> circumstances
                            > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                            > body
                            > > >> and
                            > > >> mind
                            > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                            > conclusion
                            > > >> that
                            > > >> they have a new soul within.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> The
                            > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Issue 104,
                            > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Election
                            > > >> Results
                            > > >>
                            > > >> As predicted by
                            > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                            > state by
                            > > >> state,
                            > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                            > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                            > ended up
                            > > >> in
                            > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                            > the
                            > > >> actual
                            > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                            > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                            > Not
                            > > >> MOCKED!
                            > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                            > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ------------------------------------
                          • nathaniel x vance
                            masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
                            Message 13 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                              masanga,
                              Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                              what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                              masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                              you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                              At any rate, I wish you well.

                              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Nathaniel,
                              >
                              > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                              that my
                              > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                              great
                              > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                              > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                              knowledge,
                              > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                              desires,
                              > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                              as
                              > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                              > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                              said
                              > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                              And
                              > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                              children to
                              > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                              for
                              > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                              long
                              > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                              > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                              encouragement
                              > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                              mental age
                              > down to absolute zero in time.
                              >
                              > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                              break
                              > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                              don't
                              > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                              in the
                              > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                              suggest
                              > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                              >
                              > Sincerely,
                              > Regan (masanga)
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >
                              >
                              > Dear masanga,
                              > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                              > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                              > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                              > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                              would
                              > your answer be?
                              > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                              > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                              Can
                              > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                              a
                              > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                              > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                              Obama,
                              > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                              earth
                              > would qualify.
                              > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                              > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                              > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                              >
                              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Dear Nathaniel,
                              > >
                              > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              > certain
                              > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                              > > wicked...."
                              > >
                              > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                              > of our
                              > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                              anyone
                              > else
                              > > in this respect.
                              > >
                              > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                              would
                              > win
                              > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                              > >
                              > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                              > needing any
                              > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                              > "seemingly
                              > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                              > seemed to
                              > > have a clear run to me.
                              > >
                              > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                              > >
                              > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                              > about
                              > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                              > >
                              > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                              > praises
                              > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                              > asssisted
                              > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                              > protected
                              > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                              > >
                              > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                              > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                              > in
                              > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                              > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                              up
                              > to
                              > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                              is
                              > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                              > system
                              > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                              where
                              > the
                              > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                              > the
                              > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                              "Emperor").
                              > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                              > office
                              > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                              > for
                              > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                              > >
                              > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                              > She is
                              > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                              > for the
                              > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                              > >
                              > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                              > I see
                              > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                              > as you
                              > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                              > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                              > think she
                              > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                              > independent
                              > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                              > the
                              > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                              > anonymous
                              > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                              > sheer
                              > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                              > the
                              > > terms.
                              > >
                              > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                              > and
                              > > sconld...."
                              > >
                              > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                              > scold
                              > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                              > and
                              > > objectively.
                              > >
                              > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              > morbid
                              > > intransigence...."
                              > >
                              > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                              > compromise" and
                              > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                              us
                              > to
                              > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                              > what
                              > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                              > she
                              > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                              price.
                              > But
                              > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                              > >
                              > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              re-appearance
                              > of
                              > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                              > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              arguments."
                              > >
                              > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                              > we? Or
                              > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                              > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                              > she has
                              > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                              which
                              > you
                              > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                              > can
                              > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                              > an
                              > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                              > even
                              > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                              > It is
                              > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                              > to pay
                              > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                              > high for
                              > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                              > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                              own
                              > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                              > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                              > lie the
                              > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                              > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                              > >
                              > > Regards,
                              > > Regan
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                              > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                              > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                              the
                              > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                              > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                              > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                              be
                              > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                              team
                              > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                              > this
                              > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                              clock
                              > > 24/7!!
                              > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                              She
                              > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              > consciousness
                              > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                              > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                              rediculed
                              > > and sconld.
                              > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                              > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                              > or
                              > > less!
                              > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                              arguments.
                              > >
                              > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                              > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                              > bitch
                              > > at
                              > > > times.
                              > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                              me.
                              > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                              slightest,
                              > > the
                              > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                              > count.
                              > > And by
                              > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                              > > >
                              > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                              > FANNIE
                              > > mae,
                              > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                              > > would
                              > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                              money
                              > > into
                              > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                              > idea,
                              > > and
                              > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                              > > things.
                              > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                              > name
                              > > for
                              > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                              > > friends.
                              > > > Good to see you're back.
                              > > > Later...
                              > > > Ted
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: masanga@
                              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                              > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > > Hi Ted,
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                              > > to get
                              > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                              > > eventually
                              > > > > got
                              > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                              me
                              > in
                              > > my
                              > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                              days
                              > > and was
                              > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                              > > forum
                              > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                              election
                              > > of
                              > > > > Barack
                              > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                              > > them. The
                              > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                              of
                              > > joy in
                              > > > > the
                              > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                              new
                              > > age has
                              > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                              > > > > world-historic
                              > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                              > here.
                              > > Why
                              > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                              > > election
                              > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                              > > politicians
                              > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                              view
                              > > that
                              > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                              > > constitutes
                              > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                              > > the
                              > > > > whole
                              > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                              > > > > Lambremont
                              > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                              to
                              > > remove
                              > > > > the
                              > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                              > anything
                              > > > > myself
                              > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                              either.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                              > > found no
                              > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                              myself
                              > > from
                              > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                              > > whenever I
                              > > > > am
                              > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                              > > that
                              > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                              don't
                              > > want to
                              > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                              spectacle
                              > > may be.
                              > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                              the
                              > > Zeta -
                              > > > > on
                              > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                              those
                              > > among us
                              > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                              it.
                              > > So my
                              > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                              warning
                              > in
                              > > > > fact -
                              > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                              cult-building
                              > > > > activity
                              > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                              > their
                              > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                              to
                              > > do
                              > > > > that
                              > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                              > > natural
                              > > > > consequences of doing it.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                              > > now
                              > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Warm regards,
                              > > > > Regan
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: Ted
                              > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > [11-08-08]
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                              > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                              > > > > .
                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > > From: masanga@
                              > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                              > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              > [11-08-08]
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                              > > words of
                              > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                              is
                              > > > >> reported
                              > > > >> to have said:
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                              > > > >> fantasies
                              > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Regan
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                              > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                              > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> written
                              > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                              > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                              he
                              > > did on
                              > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                              out
                              > > in his
                              > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                              > new
                              > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                              > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                              > The
                              > > Zetas
                              > > > >> have
                              > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                              > > would
                              > > > >> like
                              > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                              > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                              X,
                              > > and if
                              > > > >> so
                              > > > >> was
                              > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                              > > Friday the
                              > > > >> CNN
                              > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                              > > "pause"
                              > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                              > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                              > declined
                              > > to
                              > > > >> comment.
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                              > consensus
                              > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                              his
                              > > heart
                              > > > >> and
                              > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                              > Obama
                              > > looked
                              > > > >> older
                              > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                              the
                              > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                              candidacy.
                              > > Yet the
                              > > > >> race
                              > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                              > causing
                              > > him
                              > > > >> loss
                              > > > >> of
                              > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                              > > already
                              > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                              world
                              > > and
                              > > > >> what
                              > > > >> the
                              > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                              also
                              > > did not
                              > > > >> learn
                              > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                              > > company
                              > > > >> crimes,
                              > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                              > FBI
                              > > and
                              > > > >> the
                              > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                              > > planetary
                              > > > >> presence
                              > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                              > had
                              > > heard
                              > > > >> the
                              > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                              > relayed
                              > > to
                              > > > >> him
                              > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                              > > confirmation.
                              > > > >> Why would
                              > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                              US
                              > > > >> boundaries
                              > > > >> are
                              > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                              > cover-up,
                              > > and
                              > > > >> how
                              > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                              > been
                              > > > >> decided.
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                              > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Zeta response: This
                              > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                              options
                              > > in the
                              > > > >> future.
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                              > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                              beliefs?
                              > He
                              > > is
                              > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                              > > Lincoln
                              > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                              > > > >> figuratively?
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                              > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                              > > recognize
                              > > > >> early
                              > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                              > case,
                              > > he
                              > > > >> was
                              > > > >> a
                              > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                              life
                              > > > >> circumstances
                              > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                              human
                              > > body
                              > > > >> and
                              > > > >> mind
                              > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                              > > conclusion
                              > > > >> that
                              > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> The
                              > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Issue 104,
                              > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> Election
                              > > > >> Results
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> As predicted by
                              > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                              > > state by
                              > > > >> state,
                              > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                              > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                              > > ended up
                              > > > >> in
                              > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                              to
                              > > the
                              > > > >> actual
                              > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                              > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                              > > > >>
                              > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                              is
                              > > Not
                              > > > >> MOCKED!
                              > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                              > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                              > > > >
                              > > > >
                              > > > > ------------------------------------
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                            • masanga@talktalk.net
                              Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
                              Message 14 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                                Nathaniel,

                                Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

                                You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
                                me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

                                Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
                                can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

                                But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
                                it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
                                me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                commission without concerning myself with his too.

                                Regan (masanga)


                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: nathaniel x vance
                                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                masanga,
                                Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                At any rate, I wish you well.

                                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Nathaniel,
                                >
                                > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                that my
                                > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                great
                                > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                knowledge,
                                > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                desires,
                                > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                as
                                > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                said
                                > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                And
                                > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                children to
                                > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                for
                                > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                long
                                > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                encouragement
                                > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                mental age
                                > down to absolute zero in time.
                                >
                                > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                break
                                > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                don't
                                > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                in the
                                > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                suggest
                                > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                >
                                > Sincerely,
                                > Regan (masanga)
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >
                                >
                                > Dear masanga,
                                > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                would
                                > your answer be?
                                > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                Can
                                > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                a
                                > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                Obama,
                                > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                earth
                                > would qualify.
                                > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                >
                                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                > >
                                > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                > certain
                                > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                > > wicked...."
                                > >
                                > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                > of our
                                > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                anyone
                                > else
                                > > in this respect.
                                > >
                                > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                would
                                > win
                                > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                > >
                                > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                > needing any
                                > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                > "seemingly
                                > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                > seemed to
                                > > have a clear run to me.
                                > >
                                > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                > >
                                > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                > about
                                > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                > >
                                > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                > praises
                                > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                > asssisted
                                > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                > protected
                                > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                > >
                                > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                > in
                                > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                up
                                > to
                                > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                is
                                > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                > system
                                > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                where
                                > the
                                > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                > the
                                > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                "Emperor").
                                > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                > office
                                > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                > for
                                > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                > >
                                > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                > She is
                                > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                > for the
                                > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                > >
                                > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                > I see
                                > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                > as you
                                > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                > think she
                                > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                > independent
                                > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                > the
                                > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                > anonymous
                                > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                > sheer
                                > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                > the
                                > > terms.
                                > >
                                > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                > and
                                > > sconld...."
                                > >
                                > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                > scold
                                > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                > and
                                > > objectively.
                                > >
                                > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                > morbid
                                > > intransigence...."
                                > >
                                > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                > compromise" and
                                > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                us
                                > to
                                > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                > what
                                > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                > she
                                > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                price.
                                > But
                                > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                > >
                                > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                re-appearance
                                > of
                                > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                arguments."
                                > >
                                > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                > we? Or
                                > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                > she has
                                > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                which
                                > you
                                > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                > can
                                > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                > an
                                > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                > even
                                > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                > It is
                                > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                > to pay
                                > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                > high for
                                > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                own
                                > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                > lie the
                                > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                > >
                                > > Regards,
                                > > Regan
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                the
                                > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                be
                                > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                team
                                > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                > this
                                > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                clock
                                > > 24/7!!
                                > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                She
                                > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                > consciousness
                                > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                rediculed
                                > > and sconld.
                                > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                > or
                                > > less!
                                > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                arguments.
                                > >
                                > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                > bitch
                                > > at
                                > > > times.
                                > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                me.
                                > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                slightest,
                                > > the
                                > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                > count.
                                > > And by
                                > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                > > >
                                > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                > FANNIE
                                > > mae,
                                > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                > > would
                                > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                money
                                > > into
                                > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                > idea,
                                > > and
                                > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                > > things.
                                > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                > name
                                > > for
                                > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                > > friends.
                                > > > Good to see you're back.
                                > > > Later...
                                > > > Ted
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: masanga@
                                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                [11-08-08]
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > > Hi Ted,
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                > > to get
                                > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                > > eventually
                                > > > > got
                                > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                me
                                > in
                                > > my
                                > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                days
                                > > and was
                                > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                > > forum
                                > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                election
                                > > of
                                > > > > Barack
                                > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                > > them. The
                                > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                of
                                > > joy in
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                new
                                > > age has
                                > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                > > > > world-historic
                                > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                > here.
                                > > Why
                                > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                > > election
                                > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                > > politicians
                                > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                view
                                > > that
                                > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                > > constitutes
                                > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                > > the
                                > > > > whole
                                > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                > > > > Lambremont
                                > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                to
                                > > remove
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                > anything
                                > > > > myself
                                > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                either.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                > > found no
                                > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                myself
                                > > from
                                > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                > > whenever I
                                > > > > am
                                > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                > > that
                                > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                don't
                                > > want to
                                > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                spectacle
                                > > may be.
                                > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                the
                                > > Zeta -
                                > > > > on
                                > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                those
                                > > among us
                                > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                it.
                                > > So my
                                > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                warning
                                > in
                                > > > > fact -
                                > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                cult-building
                                > > > > activity
                                > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                > their
                                > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                to
                                > > do
                                > > > > that
                                > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                > > natural
                                > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                > > now
                                > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Warm regards,
                                > > > > Regan
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: Ted
                                > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > [11-08-08]
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                > > > > .
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: masanga@
                                > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > [11-08-08]
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                > > words of
                                > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                is
                                > > > >> reported
                                > > > >> to have said:
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                > > > >> fantasies
                                > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Regan
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> written
                                > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                he
                                > > did on
                                > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                out
                                > > in his
                                > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                > new
                                > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                > The
                                > > Zetas
                                > > > >> have
                                > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                > > would
                                > > > >> like
                                > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                X,
                                > > and if
                                > > > >> so
                                > > > >> was
                                > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                > > Friday the
                                > > > >> CNN
                                > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                > > "pause"
                                > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                > declined
                                > > to
                                > > > >> comment.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                > consensus
                                > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                his
                                > > heart
                                > > > >> and
                                > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                > Obama
                                > > looked
                                > > > >> older
                                > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                the
                                > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                candidacy.
                                > > Yet the
                                > > > >> race
                                > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                > causing
                                > > him
                                > > > >> loss
                                > > > >> of
                                > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                > > already
                                > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                world
                                > > and
                                > > > >> what
                                > > > >> the
                                > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                also
                                > > did not
                                > > > >> learn
                                > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                > > company
                                > > > >> crimes,
                                > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                > FBI
                                > > and
                                > > > >> the
                                > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                > > planetary
                                > > > >> presence
                                > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                > had
                                > > heard
                                > > > >> the
                                > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                > relayed
                                > > to
                                > > > >> him
                                > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                > > confirmation.
                                > > > >> Why would
                                > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                US
                                > > > >> boundaries
                                > > > >> are
                                > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                > cover-up,
                                > > and
                                > > > >> how
                                > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                > been
                                > > > >> decided.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                options
                                > > in the
                                > > > >> future.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                beliefs?
                                > He
                                > > is
                                > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                > > Lincoln
                                > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                > > > >> figuratively?
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                > > recognize
                                > > > >> early
                                > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                > case,
                                > > he
                                > > > >> was
                                > > > >> a
                                > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                life
                                > > > >> circumstances
                                > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                human
                                > > body
                                > > > >> and
                                > > > >> mind
                                > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                > > conclusion
                                > > > >> that
                                > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> The
                                > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Issue 104,
                                > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Election
                                > > > >> Results
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> As predicted by
                                > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                > > state by
                                > > > >> state,
                                > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                > > ended up
                                > > > >> in
                                > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                to
                                > > the
                                > > > >> actual
                                > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                is
                                > > Not
                                > > > >> MOCKED!
                                > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ------------------------------------
                              • Ted
                                You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his head ... From: To: Sent:
                                Message 15 of 22 , Nov 16, 2008
                                  You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                                  head
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: <masanga@...>
                                  To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                  > Nathaniel,
                                  >
                                  > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                  >
                                  > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                  > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                  > of
                                  > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                  > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                  > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                  > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                  > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                  >
                                  > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                  > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                  > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                  > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                  > he
                                  > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                  >
                                  > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                  > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                  > date
                                  > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                  > to
                                  > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                  > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                  > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                  >
                                  > Regan (masanga)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > masanga,
                                  > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                  > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                  > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                  > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                  > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                  >
                                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                  >>
                                  >> Nathaniel,
                                  >>
                                  >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                  > that my
                                  >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                  > great
                                  >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                  >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                  > knowledge,
                                  >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                  > desires,
                                  >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                  > as
                                  >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                  >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                  > said
                                  >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                  > And
                                  >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                  > children to
                                  >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                  > for
                                  >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                  > long
                                  >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                  >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                  > encouragement
                                  >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                  > mental age
                                  >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                  >>
                                  >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                  > break
                                  >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                  > don't
                                  >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                  > in the
                                  >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                  > suggest
                                  >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                  >>
                                  >> Sincerely,
                                  >> Regan (masanga)
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                  >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                  >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Dear masanga,
                                  >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                  >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                  >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                  >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                  > would
                                  >> your answer be?
                                  >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                  >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                  > Can
                                  >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                  > a
                                  >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                  >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                  > Obama,
                                  >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                  > earth
                                  >> would qualify.
                                  >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                  >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                  >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                  >>
                                  >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                  >> >
                                  >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  >> certain
                                  >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                  >> > wicked...."
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                  >> of our
                                  >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                  > anyone
                                  >> else
                                  >> > in this respect.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                  > would
                                  >> win
                                  >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                  >> >
                                  >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                  >> needing any
                                  >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                  >> "seemingly
                                  >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                  >> seemed to
                                  >> > have a clear run to me.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                  >> about
                                  >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                  >> praises
                                  >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                  >> asssisted
                                  >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                  >> protected
                                  >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                  >> >
                                  >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                  >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                  >> in
                                  >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                  >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                  > up
                                  >> to
                                  >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                  > is
                                  >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                  >> system
                                  >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                  > where
                                  >> the
                                  >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                  >> the
                                  >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                  > "Emperor").
                                  >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                  >> office
                                  >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                  >> for
                                  >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  >> She is
                                  >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                  >> for the
                                  >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                  >> >
                                  >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                  >> I see
                                  >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                  >> as you
                                  >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                  >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                  >> think she
                                  >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                  >> independent
                                  >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                  >> the
                                  >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                  >> anonymous
                                  >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                  >> sheer
                                  >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                  >> the
                                  >> > terms.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                  >> and
                                  >> > sconld...."
                                  >> >
                                  >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                  >> scold
                                  >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                  >> and
                                  >> > objectively.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                  >> morbid
                                  >> > intransigence...."
                                  >> >
                                  >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                  >> compromise" and
                                  >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                  > us
                                  >> to
                                  >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                  >> what
                                  >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                  >> she
                                  >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                  > price.
                                  >> But
                                  >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  > re-appearance
                                  >> of
                                  >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                  >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  > arguments."
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                  >> we? Or
                                  >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                  >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                  >> she has
                                  >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                  > which
                                  >> you
                                  >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                  >> can
                                  >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                  >> an
                                  >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                  >> even
                                  >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                  >> It is
                                  >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                  >> to pay
                                  >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                  >> high for
                                  >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                  >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                  > own
                                  >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                  >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                  >> lie the
                                  >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                  >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Regards,
                                  >> > Regan
                                  >> >
                                  >> >
                                  >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                  >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >> >
                                  >> >
                                  >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                  >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                  > the
                                  >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                  >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                  >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                  > be
                                  >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                  > team
                                  >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                  >> this
                                  >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                  > clock
                                  >> > 24/7!!
                                  >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  > She
                                  >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                  >> consciousness
                                  >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                  >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                  > rediculed
                                  >> > and sconld.
                                  >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                  >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                  >> or
                                  >> > less!
                                  >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  > arguments.
                                  >> >
                                  >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                  >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                  >> bitch
                                  >> > at
                                  >> > > times.
                                  >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                  > me.
                                  >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                  > slightest,
                                  >> > the
                                  >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                  >> count.
                                  >> > And by
                                  >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                  >> FANNIE
                                  >> > mae,
                                  >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                  >> > would
                                  >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                  > money
                                  >> > into
                                  >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                  >> idea,
                                  >> > and
                                  >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                  >> > things.
                                  >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                  >> name
                                  >> > for
                                  >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                  >> > friends.
                                  >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                  >> > > Later...
                                  >> > > Ted
                                  >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> > > From: masanga@
                                  >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                  >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > [11-08-08]
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > >
                                  >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                  >> > to get
                                  >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                  >> > eventually
                                  >> > > > got
                                  >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                  > me
                                  >> in
                                  >> > my
                                  >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                  > days
                                  >> > and was
                                  >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                  >> > forum
                                  >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                  > election
                                  >> > of
                                  >> > > > Barack
                                  >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                  >> > them. The
                                  >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                  > of
                                  >> > joy in
                                  >> > > > the
                                  >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                  > new
                                  >> > age has
                                  >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                  >> > > > world-historic
                                  >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                  >> here.
                                  >> > Why
                                  >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                  >> > election
                                  >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                  >> > politicians
                                  >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                  > view
                                  >> > that
                                  >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                  >> > constitutes
                                  >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                  >> > the
                                  >> > > > whole
                                  >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                  >> > > > Lambremont
                                  >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                  > to
                                  >> > remove
                                  >> > > > the
                                  >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                  >> anything
                                  >> > > > myself
                                  >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                  > either.
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                  >> > found no
                                  >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                  > myself
                                  >> > from
                                  >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                  >> > whenever I
                                  >> > > > am
                                  >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                  >> > that
                                  >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                  > don't
                                  >> > want to
                                  >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                  > spectacle
                                  >> > may be.
                                  >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                  > the
                                  >> > Zeta -
                                  >> > > > on
                                  >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                  > those
                                  >> > among us
                                  >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                  > it.
                                  >> > So my
                                  >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                  > warning
                                  >> in
                                  >> > > > fact -
                                  >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                  > cult-building
                                  >> > > > activity
                                  >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                  >> their
                                  >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                  > to
                                  >> > do
                                  >> > > > that
                                  >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                  >> > natural
                                  >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                  >> > now
                                  >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > Warm regards,
                                  >> > > > Regan
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> > > > From: Ted
                                  >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                  >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  >> [11-08-08]
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                  >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                  >> > > > .
                                  >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> > > > From: masanga@
                                  >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                  >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  >> [11-08-08]
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                  >> > words of
                                  >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                  > is
                                  >> > > >> reported
                                  >> > > >> to have said:
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                  >> > > >> fantasies
                                  >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> Regan
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                  >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                  >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                  >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                  >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> written
                                  >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                  >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                  > he
                                  >> > did on
                                  >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                  > out
                                  >> > in his
                                  >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                  >> new
                                  >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                  >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                  >> The
                                  >> > Zetas
                                  >> > > >> have
                                  >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                  >> > would
                                  >> > > >> like
                                  >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                  >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                  > X,
                                  >> > and if
                                  >> > > >> so
                                  >> > > >> was
                                  >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                  >> > Friday the
                                  >> > > >> CNN
                                  >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                  >> > "pause"
                                  >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                  >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                  >> declined
                                  >> > to
                                  >> > > >> comment.
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                  >> consensus
                                  >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                  > his
                                  >> > heart
                                  >> > > >> and
                                  >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                  >> Obama
                                  >> > looked
                                  >> > > >> older
                                  >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                  > the
                                  >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                  > candidacy.
                                  >> > Yet the
                                  >> > > >> race
                                  >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                  >> causing
                                  >> > him
                                  >> > > >> loss
                                  >> > > >> of
                                  >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                  >> > already
                                  >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                  > world
                                  >> > and
                                  >> > > >> what
                                  >> > > >> the
                                  >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                  > also
                                  >> > did not
                                  >> > > >> learn
                                  >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                  >> > company
                                  >> > > >> crimes,
                                  >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                  >> FBI
                                  >> > and
                                  >> > > >> the
                                  >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                  >> > planetary
                                  >> > > >> presence
                                  >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                  >> had
                                  >> > heard
                                  >> > > >> the
                                  >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                  >> relayed
                                  >> > to
                                  >> > > >> him
                                  >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                  >> > confirmation.
                                  >> > > >> Why would
                                  >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                  > US
                                  >> > > >> boundaries
                                  >> > > >> are
                                  >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                  >> cover-up,
                                  >> > and
                                  >> > > >> how
                                  >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                  >> been
                                  >> > > >> decided.
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                  >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                  >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                  > options
                                  >> > in the
                                  >> > > >> future.
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                  >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                  > beliefs?
                                  >> He
                                  >> > is
                                  >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                  >> > Lincoln
                                  >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                  >> > > >> figuratively?
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                  >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                  >> > recognize
                                  >> > > >> early
                                  >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                  >> case,
                                  >> > he
                                  >> > > >> was
                                  >> > > >> a
                                  >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                  > life
                                  >> > > >> circumstances
                                  >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                  > human
                                  >> > body
                                  >> > > >> and
                                  >> > > >> mind
                                  >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                  >> > conclusion
                                  >> > > >> that
                                  >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> The
                                  >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                  >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> Election
                                  >> > > >> Results
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> As predicted by
                                  >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                  >> > state by
                                  >> > > >> state,
                                  >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                  >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                  >> > ended up
                                  >> > > >> in
                                  >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                  > to
                                  >> > the
                                  >> > > >> actual
                                  >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                  >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                  >> > > >>
                                  >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                  > is
                                  >> > Not
                                  >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                  >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                  >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > >
                                  >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                  >
                                  >
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                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                • masanga@talktalk.net
                                  I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
                                  Message 16 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                    I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                                    But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                                    understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                                    clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                                    appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                                    concerned.

                                    However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                                    obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                                    should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Ted
                                    To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                    You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                                    head
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: <masanga@...>
                                    To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                    > Nathaniel,
                                    >
                                    > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                    >
                                    > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                    > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                    > of
                                    > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                    > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                    > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                    > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                    > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                    >
                                    > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                    > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                    > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                    > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                    > he
                                    > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                    >
                                    > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                    > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                    > date
                                    > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                    > to
                                    > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                    > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                    > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                    >
                                    > Regan (masanga)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > masanga,
                                    > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                    > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                    > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                    > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                    > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                    >
                                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >> Nathaniel,
                                    >>
                                    >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                    > that my
                                    >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                    > great
                                    >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                    >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                    > knowledge,
                                    >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                    > desires,
                                    >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                    > as
                                    >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                    >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                    > said
                                    >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                    > And
                                    >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                    > children to
                                    >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                    > for
                                    >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                    > long
                                    >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                    >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                    > encouragement
                                    >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                    > mental age
                                    >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                    >>
                                    >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                    > break
                                    >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                    > don't
                                    >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                    > in the
                                    >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                    > suggest
                                    >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                    >>
                                    >> Sincerely,
                                    >> Regan (masanga)
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                    >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                    >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> Dear masanga,
                                    >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                    >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                    >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                    >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                    > would
                                    >> your answer be?
                                    >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                    >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                    > Can
                                    >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                    > a
                                    >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                    >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                    > Obama,
                                    >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                    > earth
                                    >> would qualify.
                                    >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                    >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                    >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                    >>
                                    >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                    >> certain
                                    >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                    >> > wicked...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                    >> of our
                                    >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                    > anyone
                                    >> else
                                    >> > in this respect.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                    > would
                                    >> win
                                    >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                    >> needing any
                                    >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                    >> "seemingly
                                    >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                    >> seemed to
                                    >> > have a clear run to me.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                    >> about
                                    >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                    >> praises
                                    >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                    >> asssisted
                                    >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                    >> protected
                                    >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                    >> >
                                    >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                    >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                    >> in
                                    >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                    >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                    > up
                                    >> to
                                    >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                    > is
                                    >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                    >> system
                                    >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                    > where
                                    >> the
                                    >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                    >> the
                                    >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                    > "Emperor").
                                    >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                    >> office
                                    >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                    >> for
                                    >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                    >> She is
                                    >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                    >> for the
                                    >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                    >> I see
                                    >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                    >> as you
                                    >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                    >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                    >> think she
                                    >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                    >> independent
                                    >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                    >> the
                                    >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                    >> anonymous
                                    >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                    >> sheer
                                    >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                    >> the
                                    >> > terms.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                    >> and
                                    >> > sconld...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                    >> scold
                                    >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                    >> and
                                    >> > objectively.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                    >> morbid
                                    >> > intransigence...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                    >> compromise" and
                                    >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                    > us
                                    >> to
                                    >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                    >> what
                                    >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                    >> she
                                    >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                    > price.
                                    >> But
                                    >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    > re-appearance
                                    >> of
                                    >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                    >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    > arguments."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                    >> we? Or
                                    >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                    >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                    >> she has
                                    >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                    > which
                                    >> you
                                    >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                    >> can
                                    >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                    >> an
                                    >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                    >> even
                                    >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                    >> It is
                                    >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                    >> to pay
                                    >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                    >> high for
                                    >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                    >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                    > own
                                    >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                    >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                    >> lie the
                                    >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                    >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Regards,
                                    >> > Regan
                                    >> >
                                    >> >
                                    >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                    >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >> >
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                    >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                    >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                    > the
                                    >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                    >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                    >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                    > be
                                    >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                    > team
                                    >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                    >> this
                                    >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                    > clock
                                    >> > 24/7!!
                                    >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                    > She
                                    >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                    >> consciousness
                                    >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                    >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                    > rediculed
                                    >> > and sconld.
                                    >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                    >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                    >> or
                                    >> > less!
                                    >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    > arguments.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                    >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                    >> bitch
                                    >> > at
                                    >> > > times.
                                    >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                    > me.
                                    >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                    > slightest,
                                    >> > the
                                    >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                    >> count.
                                    >> > And by
                                    >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                    >> FANNIE
                                    >> > mae,
                                    >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                    >> > would
                                    >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                    > money
                                    >> > into
                                    >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                    >> idea,
                                    >> > and
                                    >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                    >> > things.
                                    >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                    >> name
                                    >> > for
                                    >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                    >> > friends.
                                    >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                    >> > > Later...
                                    >> > > Ted
                                    >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > > From: masanga@
                                    >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                    >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > [11-08-08]
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                    >> > to get
                                    >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                    >> > eventually
                                    >> > > > got
                                    >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                    > me
                                    >> in
                                    >> > my
                                    >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                    > days
                                    >> > and was
                                    >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                    >> > forum
                                    >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                    > election
                                    >> > of
                                    >> > > > Barack
                                    >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                    >> > them. The
                                    >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                    > of
                                    >> > joy in
                                    >> > > > the
                                    >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                    > new
                                    >> > age has
                                    >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                    >> > > > world-historic
                                    >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                    >> here.
                                    >> > Why
                                    >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                    >> > election
                                    >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                    >> > politicians
                                    >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                    > view
                                    >> > that
                                    >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                    >> > constitutes
                                    >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                    >> > the
                                    >> > > > whole
                                    >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                    >> > > > Lambremont
                                    >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                    > to
                                    >> > remove
                                    >> > > > the
                                    >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                    >> anything
                                    >> > > > myself
                                    >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                    > either.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                    >> > found no
                                    >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                    > myself
                                    >> > from
                                    >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                    >> > whenever I
                                    >> > > > am
                                    >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                    >> > that
                                    >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                    > don't
                                    >> > want to
                                    >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                    > spectacle
                                    >> > may be.
                                    >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                    > the
                                    >> > Zeta -
                                    >> > > > on
                                    >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                    > those
                                    >> > among us
                                    >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                    > it.
                                    >> > So my
                                    >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                    > warning
                                    >> in
                                    >> > > > fact -
                                    >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                    > cult-building
                                    >> > > > activity
                                    >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                    >> their
                                    >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                    > to
                                    >> > do
                                    >> > > > that
                                    >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                    >> > natural
                                    >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                    >> > now
                                    >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > Warm regards,
                                    >> > > > Regan
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > > > From: Ted
                                    >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                    >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    >> [11-08-08]
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                    >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                    >> > > > .
                                    >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > > > From: masanga@
                                    >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                    >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    >> [11-08-08]
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                    >> > words of
                                    >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                    > is
                                    >> > > >> reported
                                    >> > > >> to have said:
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                    >> > > >> fantasies
                                    >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Regan
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                    >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                    >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                    >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> written
                                    >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                    >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                    > he
                                    >> > did on
                                    >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                    > out
                                    >> > in his
                                    >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                    >> new
                                    >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                    >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                    >> The
                                    >> > Zetas
                                    >> > > >> have
                                    >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                    >> > would
                                    >> > > >> like
                                    >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                    >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                    > X,
                                    >> > and if
                                    >> > > >> so
                                    >> > > >> was
                                    >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                    >> > Friday the
                                    >> > > >> CNN
                                    >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                    >> > "pause"
                                    >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                    >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                    >> declined
                                    >> > to
                                    >> > > >> comment.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                    >> consensus
                                    >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                    > his
                                    >> > heart
                                    >> > > >> and
                                    >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                    >> Obama
                                    >> > looked
                                    >> > > >> older
                                    >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                    > the
                                    >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                    > candidacy.
                                    >> > Yet the
                                    >> > > >> race
                                    >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                    >> causing
                                    >> > him
                                    >> > > >> loss
                                    >> > > >> of
                                    >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                    >> > already
                                    >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                    > world
                                    >> > and
                                    >> > > >> what
                                    >> > > >> the
                                    >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                    > also
                                    >> > did not
                                    >> > > >> learn
                                    >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                    >> > company
                                    >> > > >> crimes,
                                    >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                    >> FBI
                                    >> > and
                                    >> > > >> the
                                    >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                    >> > planetary
                                    >> > > >> presence
                                    >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                    >> had
                                    >> > heard
                                    >> > > >> the
                                    >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                    >> relayed
                                    >> > to
                                    >> > > >> him
                                    >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                    >> > confirmation.
                                    >> > > >> Why would
                                    >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                    > US
                                    >> > > >> boundaries
                                    >> > > >> are
                                    >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                    >> cover-up,
                                    >> > and
                                    >> > > >> how
                                    >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                    >> been
                                    >> > > >> decided.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                    >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                    >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                    > options
                                    >> > in the
                                    >> > > >> future.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                    >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                    > beliefs?
                                    >> He
                                    >> > is
                                    >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                    >> > Lincoln
                                    >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                    >> > > >> figuratively?
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                    >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                    >> > recognize
                                    >> > > >> early
                                    >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                    >> case,
                                    >> > he
                                    >> > > >> was
                                    >> > > >> a
                                    >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                    > life
                                    >> > > >> circumstances
                                    >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                    > human
                                    >> > body
                                    >> > > >> and
                                    >> > > >> mind
                                    >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                    >> > conclusion
                                    >> > > >> that
                                    >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> The
                                    >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                    >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Election
                                    >> > > >> Results
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> As predicted by
                                    >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                    >> > state by
                                    >> > > >> state,
                                    >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                    >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                    >> > ended up
                                    >> > > >> in
                                    >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                    > to
                                    >> > the
                                    >> > > >> actual
                                    >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                    >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                    > is
                                    >> > Not
                                    >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                    >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                    >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                  • Ted
                                    Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
                                    Message 17 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                      Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                                      Nancy's groupies.
                                      He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                                      Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                                      wearing no close
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: <masanga@...>
                                      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                      > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                                      >
                                      > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                                      > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                                      > be
                                      > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                                      > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                                      > concerned.
                                      >
                                      > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                                      > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                                      > he
                                      > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: Ted
                                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                                      > his
                                      > head
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: <masanga@...>
                                      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >> Nathaniel,
                                      >>
                                      >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                      >>
                                      >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                      >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                      >> of
                                      >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                      >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                      >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                      >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                      >> have
                                      >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                      >>
                                      >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                      >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                      >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                                      >> my
                                      >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                      >> he
                                      >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                      >>
                                      >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                      >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                      >> date
                                      >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                      >> to
                                      >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                      >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                      >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                      >>
                                      >> Regan (masanga)
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> masanga,
                                      >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                      >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                      >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                      >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                      >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                                      >>
                                      >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Nathaniel,
                                      >>>
                                      >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                      >> that my
                                      >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                      >> great
                                      >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                      >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                      >> knowledge,
                                      >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                      >> desires,
                                      >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                      >> as
                                      >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                      >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                      >> said
                                      >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                      >> And
                                      >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                      >> children to
                                      >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                      >> for
                                      >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                      >> long
                                      >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                      >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                      >> encouragement
                                      >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                      >> mental age
                                      >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                      >> break
                                      >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                      >> don't
                                      >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                      >> in the
                                      >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                      >> suggest
                                      >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Sincerely,
                                      >>> Regan (masanga)
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                      >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >>>
                                      >>>
                                      >>> Dear masanga,
                                      >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                      >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                      >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                      >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                      >> would
                                      >>> your answer be?
                                      >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                      >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                      >> Can
                                      >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                      >> a
                                      >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                      >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                      >> Obama,
                                      >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                      >> earth
                                      >>> would qualify.
                                      >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                      >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                      >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                      >>>
                                      >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                      >>> certain
                                      >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                      >>> > wicked...."
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                      >>> of our
                                      >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                      >> anyone
                                      >>> else
                                      >>> > in this respect.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                      >> would
                                      >>> win
                                      >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                      >>> needing any
                                      >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                      >>> "seemingly
                                      >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                      >>> seemed to
                                      >>> > have a clear run to me.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                      >>> about
                                      >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                      >>> praises
                                      >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                      >>> asssisted
                                      >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                      >>> protected
                                      >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                      >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                      >>> in
                                      >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                      >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                      >> up
                                      >>> to
                                      >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                      >> is
                                      >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                      >>> system
                                      >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                      >> where
                                      >>> the
                                      >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                      >>> the
                                      >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                      >> "Emperor").
                                      >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                      >>> office
                                      >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                      >>> for
                                      >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                      >>> She is
                                      >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                      >>> for the
                                      >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                      >>> I see
                                      >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                      >>> as you
                                      >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                      >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                      >>> think she
                                      >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                      >>> independent
                                      >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                      >>> the
                                      >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                      >>> anonymous
                                      >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                      >>> sheer
                                      >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                      >>> the
                                      >>> > terms.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                      >>> and
                                      >>> > sconld...."
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                      >>> scold
                                      >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                      >>> and
                                      >>> > objectively.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                      >>> morbid
                                      >>> > intransigence...."
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                      >>> compromise" and
                                      >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                      >> us
                                      >>> to
                                      >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                      >>> what
                                      >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                      >>> she
                                      >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                      >> price.
                                      >>> But
                                      >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      >> re-appearance
                                      >>> of
                                      >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                      >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      >> arguments."
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                      >>> we? Or
                                      >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                      >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                      >>> she has
                                      >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                      >> which
                                      >>> you
                                      >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                      >>> can
                                      >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                      >>> an
                                      >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                      >>> even
                                      >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                      >>> It is
                                      >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                      >>> to pay
                                      >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                      >>> high for
                                      >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                      >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                      >> own
                                      >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                      >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                      >>> lie the
                                      >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                      >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Regards,
                                      >>> > Regan
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                      >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                      >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                      >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                      >> the
                                      >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                      >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                      >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                      >> be
                                      >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                      >> team
                                      >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                      >>> this
                                      >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                      >> clock
                                      >>> > 24/7!!
                                      >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                      >> She
                                      >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                      >>> consciousness
                                      >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                      >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                      >> rediculed
                                      >>> > and sconld.
                                      >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                      >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                      >>> or
                                      >>> > less!
                                      >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      >> arguments.
                                      >>> >
                                      >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                      >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                      >>> bitch
                                      >>> > at
                                      >>> > > times.
                                      >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                      >> me.
                                      >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                      >> slightest,
                                      >>> > the
                                      >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                      >>> count.
                                      >>> > And by
                                      >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                      >>> FANNIE
                                      >>> > mae,
                                      >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                      >>> > would
                                      >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                      >> money
                                      >>> > into
                                      >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                      >>> idea,
                                      >>> > and
                                      >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                      >>> > things.
                                      >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                      >>> name
                                      >>> > for
                                      >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                      >>> > friends.
                                      >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                                      >>> > > Later...
                                      >>> > > Ted
                                      >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >>> > > From: masanga@
                                      >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                      >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      >> [11-08-08]
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > >
                                      >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                      >>> > to get
                                      >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                      >>> > eventually
                                      >>> > > > got
                                      >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                      >> me
                                      >>> in
                                      >>> > my
                                      >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                      >> days
                                      >>> > and was
                                      >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                      >>> > forum
                                      >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                      >> election
                                      >>> > of
                                      >>> > > > Barack
                                      >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                      >>> > them. The
                                      >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                      >> of
                                      >>> > joy in
                                      >>> > > > the
                                      >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                      >> new
                                      >>> > age has
                                      >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                      >>> > > > world-historic
                                      >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                      >>> here.
                                      >>> > Why
                                      >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                      >>> > election
                                      >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                      >>> > politicians
                                      >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                      >> view
                                      >>> > that
                                      >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                      >>> > constitutes
                                      >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                      >>> > the
                                      >>> > > > whole
                                      >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                      >>> > > > Lambremont
                                      >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                      >> to
                                      >>> > remove
                                      >>> > > > the
                                      >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                      >>> anything
                                      >>> > > > myself
                                      >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                      >> either.
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                      >>> > found no
                                      >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                      >> myself
                                      >>> > from
                                      >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                      >>> > whenever I
                                      >>> > > > am
                                      >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                      >>> > that
                                      >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                      >> don't
                                      >>> > want to
                                      >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                      >> spectacle
                                      >>> > may be.
                                      >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                      >> the
                                      >>> > Zeta -
                                      >>> > > > on
                                      >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                      >> those
                                      >>> > among us
                                      >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                      >> it.
                                      >>> > So my
                                      >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                      >> warning
                                      >>> in
                                      >>> > > > fact -
                                      >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                      >> cult-building
                                      >>> > > > activity
                                      >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                      >>> their
                                      >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                      >> to
                                      >>> > do
                                      >>> > > > that
                                      >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                      >>> > natural
                                      >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                      >>> > now
                                      >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > Warm regards,
                                      >>> > > > Regan
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >>> > > > From: Ted
                                      >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                      >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      >>> [11-08-08]
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                      >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                      >>> > > > .
                                      >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >>> > > > From: masanga@
                                      >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                      >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      >>> [11-08-08]
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                      >>> > words of
                                      >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                      >> is
                                      >>> > > >> reported
                                      >>> > > >> to have said:
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                      >>> > > >> fantasies
                                      >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> Regan
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                      >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                      >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                      >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> written
                                      >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                      >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                      >> he
                                      >>> > did on
                                      >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                      >> out
                                      >>> > in his
                                      >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                      >>> new
                                      >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                      >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                      >>> The
                                      >>> > Zetas
                                      >>> > > >> have
                                      >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                      >>> > would
                                      >>> > > >> like
                                      >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                      >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                      >> X,
                                      >>> > and if
                                      >>> > > >> so
                                      >>> > > >> was
                                      >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                      >>> > Friday the
                                      >>> > > >> CNN
                                      >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                      >>> > "pause"
                                      >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                      >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                      >>> declined
                                      >>> > to
                                      >>> > > >> comment.
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                      >>> consensus
                                      >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                      >> his
                                      >>> > heart
                                      >>> > > >> and
                                      >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                      >>> Obama
                                      >>> > looked
                                      >>> > > >> older
                                      >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                      >> the
                                      >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                      >> candidacy.
                                      >>> > Yet the
                                      >>> > > >> race
                                      >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                      >>> causing
                                      >>> > him
                                      >>> > > >> loss
                                      >>> > > >> of
                                      >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                      >>> > already
                                      >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                      >> world
                                      >>> > and
                                      >>> > > >> what
                                      >>> > > >> the
                                      >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                      >> also
                                      >>> > did not
                                      >>> > > >> learn
                                      >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                      >>> > company
                                      >>> > > >> crimes,
                                      >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                      >>> FBI
                                      >>> > and
                                      >>> > > >> the
                                      >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                      >>> > planetary
                                      >>> > > >> presence
                                      >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                      >>> had
                                      >>> > heard
                                      >>> > > >> the
                                      >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                      >>> relayed
                                      >>> > to
                                      >>> > > >> him
                                      >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                      >>> > confirmation.
                                      >>> > > >> Why would
                                      >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                      >> US
                                      >>> > > >> boundaries
                                      >>> > > >> are
                                      >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                      >>> cover-up,
                                      >>> > and
                                      >>> > > >> how
                                      >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                      >>> been
                                      >>> > > >> decided.
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                      >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                      >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                      >> options
                                      >>> > in the
                                      >>> > > >> future.
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                      >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                      >> beliefs?
                                      >>> He
                                      >>> > is
                                      >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                      >>> > Lincoln
                                      >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                      >>> > > >> figuratively?
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                      >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                      >>> > recognize
                                      >>> > > >> early
                                      >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                      >>> case,
                                      >>> > he
                                      >>> > > >> was
                                      >>> > > >> a
                                      >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                      >> life
                                      >>> > > >> circumstances
                                      >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                      >> human
                                      >>> > body
                                      >>> > > >> and
                                      >>> > > >> mind
                                      >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                      >>> > conclusion
                                      >>> > > >> that
                                      >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> The
                                      >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                                      >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> Election
                                      >>> > > >> Results
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> As predicted by
                                      >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                      >>> > state by
                                      >>> > > >> state,
                                      >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                      >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                      >>> > ended up
                                      >>> > > >> in
                                      >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                      >> to
                                      >>> > the
                                      >>> > > >> actual
                                      >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                      >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                      >>> > > >>
                                      >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                      >> is
                                      >>> > Not
                                      >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                                      >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                      >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > >
                                      >>> > > > ------------------------------------
                                      >
                                      >
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                                    • nathaniel x vance
                                      Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
                                      Message 18 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                        Dear Brother masanga,
                                        Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                        and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                        you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                        rebellion out in me.
                                        Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                        COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                        like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                        higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                        help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                        renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                        higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                        co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                        Please pardon me.

                                        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Nathaniel,
                                        >
                                        > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                        >
                                        > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                        about
                                        > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                        know of
                                        > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                        > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                        > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                        universe, I
                                        > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                        have
                                        > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                        >
                                        > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                        divine
                                        > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                        > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                        in my
                                        > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                        that he
                                        > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                        >
                                        > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                        presume to
                                        > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                        date
                                        > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                        mystery to
                                        > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                        > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                        divine
                                        > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                        >
                                        > Regan (masanga)
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: nathaniel x vance
                                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > masanga,
                                        > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                        > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                        > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                        > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                        > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                        >
                                        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > Nathaniel,
                                        > >
                                        > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                        > that my
                                        > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                        > great
                                        > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                        > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                        > knowledge,
                                        > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                        > desires,
                                        > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                        things
                                        > as
                                        > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                        will
                                        > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                        > said
                                        > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                        > And
                                        > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                        > children to
                                        > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                        you
                                        > for
                                        > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                        worked
                                        > long
                                        > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                        both
                                        > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                        > encouragement
                                        > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                        > mental age
                                        > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                        > >
                                        > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                        > break
                                        > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                        > don't
                                        > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                        me
                                        > in the
                                        > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                        > suggest
                                        > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                        up.
                                        > >
                                        > > Sincerely,
                                        > > Regan (masanga)
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                        > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > Dear masanga,
                                        > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                        answer
                                        > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                        > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                        our
                                        > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                        > would
                                        > > your answer be?
                                        > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                        before
                                        > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                        > Can
                                        > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                        see
                                        > a
                                        > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                        details
                                        > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                        > Obama,
                                        > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                        > earth
                                        > > would qualify.
                                        > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                        > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                        > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                        a
                                        > > certain
                                        > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                        greedy
                                        > > > wicked...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                        > > of our
                                        > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                        > anyone
                                        > > else
                                        > > > in this respect.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                        > would
                                        > > win
                                        > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                        > > needing any
                                        > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                        > > "seemingly
                                        > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                        > > seemed to
                                        > > > have a clear run to me.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                        > > about
                                        > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                        > > praises
                                        > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                        > > asssisted
                                        > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                        > > protected
                                        > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                        > > >
                                        > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                        > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                        really
                                        > > in
                                        > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                        dominance?
                                        > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                        > up
                                        > > to
                                        > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                        > is
                                        > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                        a
                                        > > system
                                        > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                        > where
                                        > > the
                                        > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                        become
                                        > > the
                                        > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                        > "Emperor").
                                        > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                        > > office
                                        > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                        credit
                                        > > for
                                        > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                        me.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                        cult!
                                        > > She is
                                        > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                        consciousness
                                        > > for the
                                        > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                        > > I see
                                        > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                        be
                                        > > as you
                                        > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                        for
                                        > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                        > > think she
                                        > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                        > > independent
                                        > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                        asserting
                                        > > the
                                        > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                        > > anonymous
                                        > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                        on
                                        > > sheer
                                        > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                        of
                                        > > the
                                        > > > terms.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                        rediculed
                                        > > and
                                        > > > sconld...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                        > > scold
                                        > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                        impartially
                                        > > and
                                        > > > objectively.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                        > > morbid
                                        > > > intransigence...."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                        > > compromise" and
                                        > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                        > us
                                        > > to
                                        > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                        wonder
                                        > > what
                                        > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                        > > she
                                        > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                        > price.
                                        > > But
                                        > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                        ours.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                        > re-appearance
                                        > > of
                                        > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                        > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                        > arguments."
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                        > > we? Or
                                        > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                        absurd
                                        > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                        which
                                        > > she has
                                        > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                        > which
                                        > > you
                                        > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                        she
                                        > > can
                                        > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                        into
                                        > > an
                                        > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                        > > even
                                        > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                        intelligence?
                                        > > It is
                                        > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                        willing
                                        > > to pay
                                        > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                        > > high for
                                        > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                        "full
                                        > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                        > own
                                        > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                        > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                        a
                                        > > lie the
                                        > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                        > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Regards,
                                        > > > Regan
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                        > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                        > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        [11-08-08]
                                        > > >
                                        > > >
                                        > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                        > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                        > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                        > the
                                        > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                        that
                                        > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                        against
                                        > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                        should
                                        > be
                                        > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                        > team
                                        > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                        > > this
                                        > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                        > clock
                                        > > > 24/7!!
                                        > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                        > She
                                        > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                        > > consciousness
                                        > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                        > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                        > rediculed
                                        > > > and sconld.
                                        > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                        morbid
                                        > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                        > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                        years
                                        > > or
                                        > > > less!
                                        > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                        > arguments.
                                        > > >
                                        > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                        > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                        > > bitch
                                        > > > at
                                        > > > > times.
                                        > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                        > me.
                                        > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                        > slightest,
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                        > > count.
                                        > > > And by
                                        > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                        > > FANNIE
                                        > > > mae,
                                        > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                        One
                                        > > > would
                                        > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                        > money
                                        > > > into
                                        > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                        > > idea,
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                        damn
                                        > > > things.
                                        > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                        > > name
                                        > > > for
                                        > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                        > > > friends.
                                        > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                        > > > > Later...
                                        > > > > Ted
                                        > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > > From: masanga@
                                        > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                        > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        > [11-08-08]
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > >
                                        > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                        > > > to get
                                        > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                        > > > eventually
                                        > > > > > got
                                        > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                        > me
                                        > > in
                                        > > > my
                                        > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                        > days
                                        > > > and was
                                        > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                        this
                                        > > > forum
                                        > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                        > election
                                        > > > of
                                        > > > > > Barack
                                        > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                        of
                                        > > > them. The
                                        > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                        > of
                                        > > > joy in
                                        > > > > > the
                                        > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                        > new
                                        > > > age has
                                        > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                        > > > > > world-historic
                                        > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                        > > here.
                                        > > > Why
                                        > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                        > > > election
                                        > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                        > > > politicians
                                        > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                        > view
                                        > > > that
                                        > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                        > > > constitutes
                                        > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                        in
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > > whole
                                        > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                        Alfred
                                        > > > > > Lambremont
                                        > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                        > to
                                        > > > remove
                                        > > > > > the
                                        > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                        > > anything
                                        > > > > > myself
                                        > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                        > either.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                        > > > found no
                                        > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                        > myself
                                        > > > from
                                        > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                        > > > whenever I
                                        > > > > > am
                                        > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                        performed
                                        > > > that
                                        > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                        > don't
                                        > > > want to
                                        > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                        > spectacle
                                        > > > may be.
                                        > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                        > the
                                        > > > Zeta -
                                        > > > > > on
                                        > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                        > those
                                        > > > among us
                                        > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                        > it.
                                        > > > So my
                                        > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                        > warning
                                        > > in
                                        > > > > > fact -
                                        > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                        > cult-building
                                        > > > > > activity
                                        > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                        > > their
                                        > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                        freedom
                                        > to
                                        > > > do
                                        > > > > > that
                                        > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                        > > > natural
                                        > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                        > > > now
                                        > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > Warm regards,
                                        > > > > > Regan
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > > > From: Ted
                                        > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        > > [11-08-08]
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                        > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                        > > > > > .
                                        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > > > From: masanga@
                                        > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                        > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        > > [11-08-08]
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                        > > > words of
                                        > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                        who
                                        > is
                                        > > > > >> reported
                                        > > > > >> to have said:
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                        > > > > >> fantasies
                                        > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Regan
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                        > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                        > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                        ;
                                        > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                        ;
                                        > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                        ;
                                        > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                        > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        [11-08-08]
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                        > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> written
                                        > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                        > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                        > he
                                        > > > did on
                                        > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                        > out
                                        > > > in his
                                        > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                        the
                                        > > new
                                        > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                        > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                        shift?
                                        > > The
                                        > > > Zetas
                                        > > > > >> have
                                        > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                        I
                                        > > > would
                                        > > > > >> like
                                        > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                        > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                        > X,
                                        > > > and if
                                        > > > > >> so
                                        > > > > >> was
                                        > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                        > > > Friday the
                                        > > > > >> CNN
                                        > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                        > > > "pause"
                                        > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                        4th
                                        > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                        > > declined
                                        > > > to
                                        > > > > >> comment.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                        > > consensus
                                        > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                        > his
                                        > > > heart
                                        > > > > >> and
                                        > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                        > > Obama
                                        > > > looked
                                        > > > > >> older
                                        > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                        > the
                                        > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                        > candidacy.
                                        > > > Yet the
                                        > > > > >> race
                                        > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                        > > causing
                                        > > > him
                                        > > > > >> loss
                                        > > > > >> of
                                        > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                        not
                                        > > > already
                                        > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                        > world
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > >> what
                                        > > > > >> the
                                        > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                        > also
                                        > > > did not
                                        > > > > >> learn
                                        > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                        > > > company
                                        > > > > >> crimes,
                                        > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                        the
                                        > > FBI
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > >> the
                                        > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                        > > > planetary
                                        > > > > >> presence
                                        > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                        He
                                        > > had
                                        > > > heard
                                        > > > > >> the
                                        > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                        > > relayed
                                        > > > to
                                        > > > > >> him
                                        > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                        > > > confirmation.
                                        > > > > >> Why would
                                        > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                        > US
                                        > > > > >> boundaries
                                        > > > > >> are
                                        > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                        > > cover-up,
                                        > > > and
                                        > > > > >> how
                                        > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                        > > been
                                        > > > > >> decided.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                        > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                        > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                        > options
                                        > > > in the
                                        > > > > >> future.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                        > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                        > beliefs?
                                        > > He
                                        > > > is
                                        > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                        is
                                        > > > Lincoln
                                        > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                        > > > > >> figuratively?
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                        > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                        > > > recognize
                                        > > > > >> early
                                        > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                        > > case,
                                        > > > he
                                        > > > > >> was
                                        > > > > >> a
                                        > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                        > life
                                        > > > > >> circumstances
                                        > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                        > human
                                        > > > body
                                        > > > > >> and
                                        > > > > >> mind
                                        > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                        > > > conclusion
                                        > > > > >> that
                                        > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> The
                                        > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                        > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> Election
                                        > > > > >> Results
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> As predicted by
                                        > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                        result,
                                        > > > state by
                                        > > > > >> state,
                                        > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                        > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                        McCain
                                        > > > ended up
                                        > > > > >> in
                                        > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                        > to
                                        > > > the
                                        > > > > >> actual
                                        > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                        > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                        > > > > >>
                                        > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                        GOD
                                        > is
                                        > > > Not
                                        > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                        > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                        > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                        >
                                      • nathaniel x vance
                                        Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
                                        Message 19 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                          Okay Mr. Ted,
                                          I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                                          scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                                          two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                                          think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                                          wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                                          he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                                          Messiah/Mahdi?
                                          We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                                          Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                                          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                                          scratching his
                                          > head
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: masanga@...
                                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          [11-08-08]
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > > Nathaniel,
                                          > >
                                          > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                          > >
                                          > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                          about
                                          > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                          know
                                          > > of
                                          > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                          > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                          > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                          universe, I
                                          > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                                          I have
                                          > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                          > >
                                          > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                          divine
                                          > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                          > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                          in my
                                          > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                          that
                                          > > he
                                          > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                          > >
                                          > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                          presume to
                                          > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                                          to
                                          > > date
                                          > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                          mystery
                                          > > to
                                          > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                          > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                          divine
                                          > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                          > >
                                          > > Regan (masanga)
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                          > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > masanga,
                                          > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                                          about
                                          > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                          > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                                          If
                                          > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                          > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                          > >>
                                          > >> Nathaniel,
                                          > >>
                                          > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                          > > that my
                                          > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                          > > great
                                          > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                                          have
                                          > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                          > > knowledge,
                                          > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                          > > desires,
                                          > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                          things
                                          > > as
                                          > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                          will
                                          > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                          > > said
                                          > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                          > > And
                                          > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                          > > children to
                                          > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                          you
                                          > > for
                                          > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                          worked
                                          > > long
                                          > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                          both
                                          > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                          > > encouragement
                                          > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                          > > mental age
                                          > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                          > >>
                                          > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                          > > break
                                          > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                          > > don't
                                          > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                          me
                                          > > in the
                                          > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                          > > suggest
                                          > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                          up.
                                          > >>
                                          > >> Sincerely,
                                          > >> Regan (masanga)
                                          > >>
                                          > >>
                                          > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                          > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                          > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                          > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          > >>
                                          > >>
                                          > >> Dear masanga,
                                          > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                          answer
                                          > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                          > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                          our
                                          > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                          > > would
                                          > >> your answer be?
                                          > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                          before
                                          > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                                          qualifications;
                                          > > Can
                                          > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                          see
                                          > > a
                                          > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                          details
                                          > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                          > > Obama,
                                          > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                          > > earth
                                          > >> would qualify.
                                          > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                          > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                          > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                          > >>
                                          > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                          a
                                          > >> certain
                                          > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                          greedy
                                          > >> > wicked...."
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                          > >> of our
                                          > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                          > > anyone
                                          > >> else
                                          > >> > in this respect.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                          > > would
                                          > >> win
                                          > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                          > >> needing any
                                          > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                          > >> "seemingly
                                          > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                          > >> seemed to
                                          > >> > have a clear run to me.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                          > >> about
                                          > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                                          and
                                          > >> praises
                                          > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                                          who
                                          > >> asssisted
                                          > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                          > >> protected
                                          > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                          > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                          really
                                          > >> in
                                          > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                          dominance?
                                          > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                                          facing
                                          > > up
                                          > >> to
                                          > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                                          which
                                          > > is
                                          > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                          a
                                          > >> system
                                          > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                          > > where
                                          > >> the
                                          > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                          become
                                          > >> the
                                          > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                          > > "Emperor").
                                          > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                          > >> office
                                          > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                          credit
                                          > >> for
                                          > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                          me.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                          cult!
                                          > >> She is
                                          > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                          consciousness
                                          > >> for the
                                          > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                          righteous."
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                          > >> I see
                                          > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                          be
                                          > >> as you
                                          > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                          for
                                          > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                          > >> think she
                                          > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                          > >> independent
                                          > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                          asserting
                                          > >> the
                                          > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                          > >> anonymous
                                          > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                          on
                                          > >> sheer
                                          > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                          of
                                          > >> the
                                          > >> > terms.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                          rediculed
                                          > >> and
                                          > >> > sconld...."
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                          > >> scold
                                          > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                          impartially
                                          > >> and
                                          > >> > objectively.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                          > >> morbid
                                          > >> > intransigence...."
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                          > >> compromise" and
                                          > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                                          wants
                                          > > us
                                          > >> to
                                          > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                          wonder
                                          > >> what
                                          > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                                          think
                                          > >> she
                                          > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                          > > price.
                                          > >> But
                                          > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                          ours.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                          > > re-appearance
                                          > >> of
                                          > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                          > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                          > > arguments."
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                          > >> we? Or
                                          > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                          absurd
                                          > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                          which
                                          > >> she has
                                          > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                          > > which
                                          > >> you
                                          > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                          she
                                          > >> can
                                          > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                          into
                                          > >> an
                                          > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                                          or
                                          > >> even
                                          > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                          intelligence?
                                          > >> It is
                                          > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                          willing
                                          > >> to pay
                                          > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                                          too
                                          > >> high for
                                          > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                          "full
                                          > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                          > > own
                                          > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                          > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                                          and a
                                          > >> lie the
                                          > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                          > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > Regards,
                                          > >> > Regan
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                          > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                          > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          [11-08-08]
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                          > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                          a
                                          > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                          > > the
                                          > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                          that
                                          > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                          against
                                          > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                          should
                                          > > be
                                          > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                          > > team
                                          > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                                          making
                                          > >> this
                                          > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                          > > clock
                                          > >> > 24/7!!
                                          > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                          cult!
                                          > > She
                                          > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                          > >> consciousness
                                          > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                          > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                          > > rediculed
                                          > >> > and sconld.
                                          > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                          morbid
                                          > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                          > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                          years
                                          > >> or
                                          > >> > less!
                                          > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                          > > arguments.
                                          > >> >
                                          > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                          > >> > >
                                          > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                          > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                          > >> bitch
                                          > >> > at
                                          > >> > > times.
                                          > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                          > > me.
                                          > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                          > > slightest,
                                          > >> > the
                                          > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                          > >> count.
                                          > >> > And by
                                          > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                          > >> > >
                                          > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                          > >> FANNIE
                                          > >> > mae,
                                          > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                          One
                                          > >> > would
                                          > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                          > > money
                                          > >> > into
                                          > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                          > >> idea,
                                          > >> > and
                                          > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                          damn
                                          > >> > things.
                                          > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                                          Nancy's
                                          > >> name
                                          > >> > for
                                          > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                          > >> > friends.
                                          > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                          > >> > > Later...
                                          > >> > > Ted
                                          > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > >> > > From: masanga@
                                          > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                          > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          > > [11-08-08]
                                          > >> > >
                                          > >> > >
                                          > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                          > >> > to get
                                          > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                          > >> > eventually
                                          > >> > > > got
                                          > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                                          for
                                          > > me
                                          > >> in
                                          > >> > my
                                          > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                          > > days
                                          > >> > and was
                                          > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                          this
                                          > >> > forum
                                          > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                          > > election
                                          > >> > of
                                          > >> > > > Barack
                                          > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                          of
                                          > >> > them. The
                                          > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                                          tears
                                          > > of
                                          > >> > joy in
                                          > >> > > > the
                                          > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                          > > new
                                          > >> > age has
                                          > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                          > >> > > > world-historic
                                          > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                          > >> here.
                                          > >> > Why
                                          > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                          > >> > election
                                          > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                          > >> > politicians
                                          > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                          > > view
                                          > >> > that
                                          > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                          > >> > constitutes
                                          > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                          in
                                          > >> > the
                                          > >> > > > whole
                                          > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                          Alfred
                                          > >> > > > Lambremont
                                          > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                                          commitment
                                          > > to
                                          > >> > remove
                                          > >> > > > the
                                          > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                          > >> anything
                                          > >> > > > myself
                                          > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                          > > either.
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                          > >> > found no
                                          > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                          > > myself
                                          > >> > from
                                          > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                          > >> > whenever I
                                          > >> > > > am
                                          > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                          performed
                                          > >> > that
                                          > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                          > > don't
                                          > >> > want to
                                          > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                          > > spectacle
                                          > >> > may be.
                                          > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                                          of
                                          > > the
                                          > >> > Zeta -
                                          > >> > > > on
                                          > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                          > > those
                                          > >> > among us
                                          > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                                          to
                                          > > it.
                                          > >> > So my
                                          > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                          > > warning
                                          > >> in
                                          > >> > > > fact -
                                          > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                          > > cult-building
                                          > >> > > > activity
                                          > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                                          dictate
                                          > >> their
                                          > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                          freedom
                                          > > to
                                          > >> > do
                                          > >> > > > that
                                          > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                          > >> > natural
                                          > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                          > >> > now
                                          > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > > Warm regards,
                                          > >> > > > Regan
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > >> > > > From: Ted
                                          > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                          > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          > >> [11-08-08]
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                          > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                          > >> > > > .
                                          > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > >> > > > From: masanga@
                                          > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                          > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          > >> [11-08-08]
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                          > >> > words of
                                          > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                          who
                                          > > is
                                          > >> > > >> reported
                                          > >> > > >> to have said:
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                          > >> > > >> fantasies
                                          > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> Regan
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                          > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                          > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                                          ;
                                          > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                                          ;
                                          > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                                          ;
                                          > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                          ;
                                          > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                          ;
                                          > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                          > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                          > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          [11-08-08]
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                          > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> written
                                          > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                          > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                                          than
                                          > > he
                                          > >> > did on
                                          > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                                          found
                                          > > out
                                          > >> > in his
                                          > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                          the
                                          > >> new
                                          > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                          > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                          shift?
                                          > >> The
                                          > >> > Zetas
                                          > >> > > >> have
                                          > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                                          another] I
                                          > >> > would
                                          > >> > > >> like
                                          > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                          > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                                          Planet
                                          > > X,
                                          > >> > and if
                                          > >> > > >> so
                                          > >> > > >> was
                                          > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                                          conference
                                          > >> > Friday the
                                          > >> > > >> CNN
                                          > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                          > >> > "pause"
                                          > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                          4th
                                          > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                          > >> declined
                                          > >> > to
                                          > >> > > >> comment.
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                          > >> consensus
                                          > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                          > > his
                                          > >> > heart
                                          > >> > > >> and
                                          > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                          > >> Obama
                                          > >> > looked
                                          > >> > > >> older
                                          > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                          > > the
                                          > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                          > > candidacy.
                                          > >> > Yet the
                                          > >> > > >> race
                                          > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                          > >> causing
                                          > >> > him
                                          > >> > > >> loss
                                          > >> > > >> of
                                          > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                          not
                                          > >> > already
                                          > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                          > > world
                                          > >> > and
                                          > >> > > >> what
                                          > >> > > >> the
                                          > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                          > > also
                                          > >> > did not
                                          > >> > > >> learn
                                          > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                                          and
                                          > >> > company
                                          > >> > > >> crimes,
                                          > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                          the
                                          > >> FBI
                                          > >> > and
                                          > >> > > >> the
                                          > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                          > >> > planetary
                                          > >> > > >> presence
                                          > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                          He
                                          > >> had
                                          > >> > heard
                                          > >> > > >> the
                                          > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                          > >> relayed
                                          > >> > to
                                          > >> > > >> him
                                          > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                          > >> > confirmation.
                                          > >> > > >> Why would
                                          > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                                          the
                                          > > US
                                          > >> > > >> boundaries
                                          > >> > > >> are
                                          > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                          > >> cover-up,
                                          > >> > and
                                          > >> > > >> how
                                          > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                                          yet
                                          > >> been
                                          > >> > > >> decided.
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                          > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                          > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                          > > options
                                          > >> > in the
                                          > >> > > >> future.
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                          > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                          > > beliefs?
                                          > >> He
                                          > >> > is
                                          > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                          is
                                          > >> > Lincoln
                                          > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                                          speaking
                                          > >> > > >> figuratively?
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                                          many,
                                          > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                          > >> > recognize
                                          > >> > > >> early
                                          > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                                          Obama's
                                          > >> case,
                                          > >> > he
                                          > >> > > >> was
                                          > >> > > >> a
                                          > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                          > > life
                                          > >> > > >> circumstances
                                          > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                          > > human
                                          > >> > body
                                          > >> > > >> and
                                          > >> > > >> mind
                                          > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                          > >> > conclusion
                                          > >> > > >> that
                                          > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> The
                                          > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                          > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> Election
                                          > >> > > >> Results
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> As predicted by
                                          > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                          result,
                                          > >> > state by
                                          > >> > > >> state,
                                          > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                          > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                          McCain
                                          > >> > ended up
                                          > >> > > >> in
                                          > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                                          polls,
                                          > > to
                                          > >> > the
                                          > >> > > >> actual
                                          > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                          > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                          > >> > > >>
                                          > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                          GOD
                                          > > is
                                          > >> > Not
                                          > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                          > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                          > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > >
                                          > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > ------------------------------------
                                          > >
                                          > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          >
                                        • masanga@talktalk.net
                                          Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                          Message 20 of 22 , Nov 17, 2008
                                            Dear Nathaniel,

                                            Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                                            you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                            no harm was done.

                                            Be at peace.

                                            Regan (masanga)


                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: nathaniel x vance
                                            To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                                            Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                            Dear Brother masanga,
                                            Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                            and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                            you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                            rebellion out in me.
                                            Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                            COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                            like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                            higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                            help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                            renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                            higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                            co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                            Please pardon me.

                                            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Nathaniel,
                                            >
                                            > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                            >
                                            > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                            about
                                            > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                            know of
                                            > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                            > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                            > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                            universe, I
                                            > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                            have
                                            > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                            >
                                            > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                            divine
                                            > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                            > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                            in my
                                            > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                            that he
                                            > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                            >
                                            > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                            presume to
                                            > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                            date
                                            > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                            mystery to
                                            > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                            > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                            divine
                                            > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                            >
                                            > Regan (masanga)
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > masanga,
                                            > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                            > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                            > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                            > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                            > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                            >
                                            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > Nathaniel,
                                            > >
                                            > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                            > that my
                                            > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                            > great
                                            > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                            > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                            > knowledge,
                                            > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                            > desires,
                                            > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                            things
                                            > as
                                            > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                            will
                                            > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                            > said
                                            > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                            > And
                                            > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                            > children to
                                            > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                            you
                                            > for
                                            > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                            worked
                                            > long
                                            > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                            both
                                            > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                            > encouragement
                                            > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                            > mental age
                                            > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                            > >
                                            > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                            > break
                                            > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                            > don't
                                            > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                            me
                                            > in the
                                            > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                            > suggest
                                            > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                            up.
                                            > >
                                            > > Sincerely,
                                            > > Regan (masanga)
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                            > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Dear masanga,
                                            > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                            answer
                                            > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                            > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                            our
                                            > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                            > would
                                            > > your answer be?
                                            > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                            before
                                            > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                            > Can
                                            > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                            see
                                            > a
                                            > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                            details
                                            > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                            > Obama,
                                            > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                            > earth
                                            > > would qualify.
                                            > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                            > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                            > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                            a
                                            > > certain
                                            > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                            greedy
                                            > > > wicked...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                            > > of our
                                            > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                            > anyone
                                            > > else
                                            > > > in this respect.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                            > would
                                            > > win
                                            > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                            > > needing any
                                            > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                            > > "seemingly
                                            > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                            > > seemed to
                                            > > > have a clear run to me.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                            > > about
                                            > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                            > > praises
                                            > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                            > > asssisted
                                            > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                            > > protected
                                            > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                            > > >
                                            > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                            > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                            really
                                            > > in
                                            > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                            dominance?
                                            > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                            > up
                                            > > to
                                            > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                            > is
                                            > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                            a
                                            > > system
                                            > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                            > where
                                            > > the
                                            > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                            become
                                            > > the
                                            > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                            > "Emperor").
                                            > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                            > > office
                                            > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                            credit
                                            > > for
                                            > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                            me.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                            cult!
                                            > > She is
                                            > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                            consciousness
                                            > > for the
                                            > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                            > > I see
                                            > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                            be
                                            > > as you
                                            > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                            for
                                            > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                            > > think she
                                            > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                            > > independent
                                            > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                            asserting
                                            > > the
                                            > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                            > > anonymous
                                            > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                            on
                                            > > sheer
                                            > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                            of
                                            > > the
                                            > > > terms.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                            rediculed
                                            > > and
                                            > > > sconld...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                            > > scold
                                            > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                            impartially
                                            > > and
                                            > > > objectively.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                            > > morbid
                                            > > > intransigence...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                            > > compromise" and
                                            > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                            > us
                                            > > to
                                            > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                            wonder
                                            > > what
                                            > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                            > > she
                                            > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                            > price.
                                            > > But
                                            > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                            ours.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                            > re-appearance
                                            > > of
                                            > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                            > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                            > arguments."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                            > > we? Or
                                            > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                            absurd
                                            > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                            which
                                            > > she has
                                            > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                            > which
                                            > > you
                                            > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                            she
                                            > > can
                                            > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                            into
                                            > > an
                                            > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                            > > even
                                            > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                            intelligence?
                                            > > It is
                                            > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                            willing
                                            > > to pay
                                            > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                            > > high for
                                            > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                            "full
                                            > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                            > own
                                            > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                            > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                            a
                                            > > lie the
                                            > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                            > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Regards,
                                            > > > Regan
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                            > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            [11-08-08]
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                            > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                            > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                            > the
                                            > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                            that
                                            > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                            against
                                            > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                            should
                                            > be
                                            > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                            > team
                                            > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                            > > this
                                            > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                            > clock
                                            > > > 24/7!!
                                            > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                            > She
                                            > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                            > > consciousness
                                            > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                            > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                            > rediculed
                                            > > > and sconld.
                                            > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                            morbid
                                            > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                            > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                            years
                                            > > or
                                            > > > less!
                                            > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                            > arguments.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                            > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                            > > bitch
                                            > > > at
                                            > > > > times.
                                            > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                            > me.
                                            > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                            > slightest,
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                            > > count.
                                            > > > And by
                                            > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                            > > FANNIE
                                            > > > mae,
                                            > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                            One
                                            > > > would
                                            > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                            > money
                                            > > > into
                                            > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                            > > idea,
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                            damn
                                            > > > things.
                                            > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                            > > name
                                            > > > for
                                            > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                            > > > friends.
                                            > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                            > > > > Later...
                                            > > > > Ted
                                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > From: masanga@
                                            > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                            > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            > [11-08-08]
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                            > > > to get
                                            > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                            > > > eventually
                                            > > > > > got
                                            > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                            > me
                                            > > in
                                            > > > my
                                            > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                            > days
                                            > > > and was
                                            > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                            this
                                            > > > forum
                                            > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                            > election
                                            > > > of
                                            > > > > > Barack
                                            > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                            of
                                            > > > them. The
                                            > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                            > of
                                            > > > joy in
                                            > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                            > new
                                            > > > age has
                                            > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                            > > > > > world-historic
                                            > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                            > > here.
                                            > > > Why
                                            > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                            > > > election
                                            > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                            > > > politicians
                                            > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                            > view
                                            > > > that
                                            > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                            > > > constitutes
                                            > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                            in
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > > whole
                                            > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                            Alfred
                                            > > > > > Lambremont
                                            > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                            > to
                                            > > > remove
                                            > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                            > > anything
                                            > > > > > myself
                                            > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                            > either.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                            > > > found no
                                            > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                            > myself
                                            > > > from
                                            > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                            > > > whenever I
                                            > > > > > am
                                            > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                            performed
                                            > > > that
                                            > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                            > don't
                                            > > > want to
                                            > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                            > spectacle
                                            > > > may be.
                                            > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                            > the
                                            > > > Zeta -
                                            > > > > > on
                                            > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                            > those
                                            > > > among us
                                            > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                            > it.
                                            > > > So my
                                            > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                            > warning
                                            > > in
                                            > > > > > fact -
                                            > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                            > cult-building
                                            > > > > > activity
                                            > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                            > > their
                                            > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                            freedom
                                            > to
                                            > > > do
                                            > > > > > that
                                            > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                            > > > natural
                                            > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                            > > > now
                                            > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Warm regards,
                                            > > > > > Regan
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > > From: Ted
                                            > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            > > [11-08-08]
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                            > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                            > > > > > .
                                            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > > From: masanga@
                                            > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            > > [11-08-08]
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                            > > > words of
                                            > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                            who
                                            > is
                                            > > > > >> reported
                                            > > > > >> to have said:
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                            > > > > >> fantasies
                                            > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Regan
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                            > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            [11-08-08]
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                            > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> written
                                            > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                            > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                            > he
                                            > > > did on
                                            > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                            > out
                                            > > > in his
                                            > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                            the
                                            > > new
                                            > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                            > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                            shift?
                                            > > The
                                            > > > Zetas
                                            > > > > >> have
                                            > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                            I
                                            > > > would
                                            > > > > >> like
                                            > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                            > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                            > X,
                                            > > > and if
                                            > > > > >> so
                                            > > > > >> was
                                            > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                            > > > Friday the
                                            > > > > >> CNN
                                            > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                            > > > "pause"
                                            > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                            4th
                                            > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                            > > declined
                                            > > > to
                                            > > > > >> comment.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                            > > consensus
                                            > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                            > his
                                            > > > heart
                                            > > > > >> and
                                            > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                            > > Obama
                                            > > > looked
                                            > > > > >> older
                                            > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                            > the
                                            > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                            > candidacy.
                                            > > > Yet the
                                            > > > > >> race
                                            > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                            > > causing
                                            > > > him
                                            > > > > >> loss
                                            > > > > >> of
                                            > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                            not
                                            > > > already
                                            > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                            > world
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > >> what
                                            > > > > >> the
                                            > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                            > also
                                            > > > did not
                                            > > > > >> learn
                                            > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                            > > > company
                                            > > > > >> crimes,
                                            > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                            the
                                            > > FBI
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > >> the
                                            > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                            > > > planetary
                                            > > > > >> presence
                                            > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                            He
                                            > > had
                                            > > > heard
                                            > > > > >> the
                                            > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                            > > relayed
                                            > > > to
                                            > > > > >> him
                                            > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                            > > > confirmation.
                                            > > > > >> Why would
                                            > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                            > US
                                            > > > > >> boundaries
                                            > > > > >> are
                                            > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                            > > cover-up,
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > >> how
                                            > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                            > > been
                                            > > > > >> decided.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                            > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                            > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                            > options
                                            > > > in the
                                            > > > > >> future.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                            > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                            > beliefs?
                                            > > He
                                            > > > is
                                            > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                            is
                                            > > > Lincoln
                                            > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                            > > > > >> figuratively?
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                            > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                            > > > recognize
                                            > > > > >> early
                                            > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                            > > case,
                                            > > > he
                                            > > > > >> was
                                            > > > > >> a
                                            > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                            > life
                                            > > > > >> circumstances
                                            > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                            > human
                                            > > > body
                                            > > > > >> and
                                            > > > > >> mind
                                            > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                            > > > conclusion
                                            > > > > >> that
                                            > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> The
                                            > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                            > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Election
                                            > > > > >> Results
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> As predicted by
                                            > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                            result,
                                            > > > state by
                                            > > > > >> state,
                                            > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                            > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                            McCain
                                            > > > ended up
                                            > > > > >> in
                                            > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                            > to
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > >> actual
                                            > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                            > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                            GOD
                                            > is
                                            > > > Not
                                            > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                            > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                            > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > ------------------------------------
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