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  • masanga@talktalk.net
    Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported to have said:
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 12, 2008
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      Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
      the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported
      to have said:

      "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain fantasies
      into the pit of destruction."

      Regan


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: nathaniel x vance
      To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
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      Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
      Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]




      ZetaTalk:
      GodlikeProduction Live

      written
      November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

      Questioner: Obama
      looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
      election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
      intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
      president, what does it mean for the
      cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
      have
      hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would like
      to ask the Zetas if on
      Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if so
      was
      that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the CNN
      reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
      (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
      comment.

      Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
      of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart and
      mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
      older
      and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
      race
      was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him loss
      of
      sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
      suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and what
      the
      various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
      learn
      any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
      crimes,
      as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and the
      Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
      presence
      is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard the
      rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to him
      information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
      Why would
      the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US boundaries
      are
      the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and how
      Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been decided.

      Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?

      Zeta response: This
      family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
      future.

      Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
      known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
      reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking figuratively?

      Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize early
      that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he was a
      walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
      circumstances
      for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and
      mind
      sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion that
      they have a new soul within.

      <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>

      The
      ZetaTalk Newsletter

      Issue 104,
      Sunday November 9, 2008

      Election
      Results

      As predicted by
      the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
      state,
      was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up in
      Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the actual
      result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
      Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>

      <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>

      We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
      MOCKED!
      salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
      http://zetaheaven.org
    • Ted
      So you re back with a vengeance Well I meant a quote. . ... From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 12, 2008
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        So you're back with a vengeance
        Well I meant a quote.
        .
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: <masanga@...>
        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


        > Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
        > the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported
        > to have said:
        >
        > "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain fantasies
        > into the pit of destruction."
        >
        > Regan
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: nathaniel x vance
        > To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
        > UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
        > CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
        > ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
        > earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
        > iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
        > tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
        > ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
        > earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
        > etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
        > exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
        > the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ; ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ZetaTalk:
        > GodlikeProduction Live
        >
        > written
        > November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
        >
        > Questioner: Obama
        > looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
        > election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
        > intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
        > president, what does it mean for the
        > cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
        > have
        > hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would like
        > to ask the Zetas if on
        > Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if so
        > was
        > that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
        > CNN
        > reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
        > (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        > scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
        > comment.
        >
        > Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
        > of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart and
        > mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
        > older
        > and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        > President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
        > race
        > was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
        > loss
        > of
        > sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
        > suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and what
        > the
        > various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
        > learn
        > any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
        > crimes,
        > as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
        > the
        > Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
        > presence
        > is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
        > the
        > rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to him
        > information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
        > Why would
        > the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
        > boundaries
        > are
        > the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and how
        > Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
        > decided.
        >
        > Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        > shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
        >
        > Zeta response: This
        > family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
        > future.
        >
        > Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        > child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
        > known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
        > reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
        > figuratively?
        >
        > Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        > including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
        > early
        > that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he was
        > a
        > walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        > circumstances
        > for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and
        > mind
        > sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
        > that
        > they have a new soul within.
        >
        > <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
        >
        > The
        > ZetaTalk Newsletter
        >
        > Issue 104,
        > Sunday November 9, 2008
        >
        > Election
        > Results
        >
        > As predicted by
        > the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
        > state,
        > was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        > which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up in
        > Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
        > actual
        > result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        > Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
        >
        > <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
        >
        > We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
        > MOCKED!
        > salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        > http://zetaheaven.org
        >
        >
        > ------------------------------------
        >
        > Yahoo! Groups Links
        >
        >
        >
      • masanga@talktalk.net
        Hi Ted, Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually got back
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 13, 2008
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          Hi Ted,

          Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
          reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually got
          back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
          In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
          struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
          although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of Barack
          Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
          masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in the
          fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
          dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this world-historic
          event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
          not? I found this puzzling.

          Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
          from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
          themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
          presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
          this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the whole
          of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred Lambremont
          Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove the
          Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything myself
          so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.

          The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
          difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
          turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I am
          confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
          service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
          get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
          Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta - on
          the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
          who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
          response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in fact -
          to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building activity
          and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
          personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do that
          if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
          consequences of doing it.

          I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
          made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.

          Warm regards,
          Regan


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Ted
          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          So you're back with a vengeance
          Well I meant a quote.
          .
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: <masanga@...>
          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          > Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
          > the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported
          > to have said:
          >
          > "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain fantasies
          > into the pit of destruction."
          >
          > Regan
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: nathaniel x vance
          > To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          > UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          > CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          > ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          > earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          > iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          > tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          > ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          > earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          > etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          > exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          > the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ; ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ZetaTalk:
          > GodlikeProduction Live
          >
          > written
          > November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          >
          > Questioner: Obama
          > looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
          > election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
          > intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
          > president, what does it mean for the
          > cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
          > have
          > hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would like
          > to ask the Zetas if on
          > Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if so
          > was
          > that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
          > CNN
          > reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
          > (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          > scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
          > comment.
          >
          > Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
          > of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart and
          > mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
          > older
          > and more tired during his first official press conference as the
          > President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
          > race
          > was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
          > loss
          > of
          > sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
          > suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and what
          > the
          > various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
          > learn
          > any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
          > crimes,
          > as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
          > the
          > Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
          > presence
          > is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
          > the
          > rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to him
          > information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
          > Why would
          > the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
          > boundaries
          > are
          > the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and how
          > Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
          > decided.
          >
          > Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          > shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          >
          > Zeta response: This
          > family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
          > future.
          >
          > Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          > child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
          > known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
          > reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          > figuratively?
          >
          > Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          > including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
          > early
          > that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he was
          > a
          > walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
          > circumstances
          > for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and
          > mind
          > sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
          > that
          > they have a new soul within.
          >
          > <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          >
          > The
          > ZetaTalk Newsletter
          >
          > Issue 104,
          > Sunday November 9, 2008
          >
          > Election
          > Results
          >
          > As predicted by
          > the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
          > state,
          > was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          > which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up in
          > Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
          > actual
          > result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          > Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          >
          > <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          >
          > We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
          > MOCKED!
          > salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          > http://zetaheaven.org
        • Ted
          Nice to hear a sane voice of reason. I m glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at times. Obama, well we ll see. Why anyone would
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 13, 2008
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            Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
            I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
            times.
            Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
            Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
            economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
            the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

            Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
            freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
            think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
            the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
            his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
            Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
            President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
            Good to see you're back.
            Later...
            Ted
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: <masanga@...>
            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            > Hi Ted,
            >
            > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
            > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
            > got
            > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
            > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
            > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
            > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
            > Barack
            > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
            > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
            > the
            > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
            > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
            > world-historic
            > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
            > not? I found this puzzling.
            >
            > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
            > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
            > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
            > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
            > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
            > whole
            > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
            > Lambremont
            > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
            > the
            > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
            > myself
            > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
            >
            > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
            > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
            > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
            > am
            > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
            > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
            > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
            > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
            > on
            > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
            > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
            > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
            > fact -
            > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
            > activity
            > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
            > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
            > that
            > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
            > consequences of doing it.
            >
            > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
            > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
            >
            > Warm regards,
            > Regan
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Ted
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            > So you're back with a vengeance
            > Well I meant a quote.
            > .
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: <masanga@...>
            > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
            >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
            >> reported
            >> to have said:
            >>
            >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
            >> fantasies
            >> into the pit of destruction."
            >>
            >> Regan
            >>
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: nathaniel x vance
            >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
            >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >>
            >> ZetaTalk:
            >> GodlikeProduction Live
            >>
            >> written
            >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            >>
            >> Questioner: Obama
            >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
            >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
            >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
            >> president, what does it mean for the
            >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
            >> have
            >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
            >> like
            >> to ask the Zetas if on
            >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
            >> so
            >> was
            >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
            >> CNN
            >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
            >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
            >> comment.
            >>
            >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
            >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
            >> and
            >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
            >> older
            >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
            >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
            >> race
            >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
            >> loss
            >> of
            >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
            >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
            >> what
            >> the
            >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
            >> learn
            >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
            >> crimes,
            >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
            >> the
            >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
            >> presence
            >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
            >> the
            >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
            >> him
            >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
            >> Why would
            >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
            >> boundaries
            >> are
            >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
            >> how
            >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
            >> decided.
            >>
            >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            >>
            >> Zeta response: This
            >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
            >> future.
            >>
            >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
            >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
            >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            >> figuratively?
            >>
            >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
            >> early
            >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
            >> was
            >> a
            >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
            >> circumstances
            >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
            >> and
            >> mind
            >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
            >> that
            >> they have a new soul within.
            >>
            >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            >>
            >> The
            >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
            >>
            >> Issue 104,
            >> Sunday November 9, 2008
            >>
            >> Election
            >> Results
            >>
            >> As predicted by
            >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
            >> state,
            >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
            >> in
            >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
            >> actual
            >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            >>
            >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            >>
            >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
            >> MOCKED!
            >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            >> http://zetaheaven.org
            >
            >
            > ------------------------------------
            >
            > Yahoo! Groups Links
            >
            >
            >
          • nathaniel x vance
            Dear Regan, Ted, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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              Dear Regan, Ted,
              President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
              certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
              greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
              barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
              him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
              afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
              and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
              victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
              24/7!!
              I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
              is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
              for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
              righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
              and sconld.
              We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
              intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
              re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
              less!
              Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
              >
              > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
              at
              > times.
              > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
              > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
              the
              > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
              And by
              > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
              >
              > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
              mae,
              > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
              would
              > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
              into
              > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
              and
              > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
              things.
              > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
              for
              > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
              friends.
              > Good to see you're back.
              > Later...
              > Ted
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: masanga@...
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > > Hi Ted,
              > >
              > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
              to get
              > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
              eventually
              > > got
              > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
              my
              > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
              and was
              > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
              forum
              > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
              of
              > > Barack
              > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
              them. The
              > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
              joy in
              > > the
              > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
              age has
              > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              > > world-historic
              > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
              Why
              > > not? I found this puzzling.
              > >
              > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
              election
              > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
              politicians
              > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
              that
              > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
              constitutes
              > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
              the
              > > whole
              > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              > > Lambremont
              > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
              remove
              > > the
              > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
              > > myself
              > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
              > >
              > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
              found no
              > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
              from
              > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
              whenever I
              > > am
              > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
              that
              > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
              want to
              > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
              may be.
              > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
              Zeta -
              > > on
              > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
              among us
              > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
              So my
              > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
              > > fact -
              > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
              > > activity
              > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
              > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
              do
              > > that
              > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
              natural
              > > consequences of doing it.
              > >
              > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
              now
              > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              > >
              > > Warm regards,
              > > Regan
              > >
              > >
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: Ted
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > > So you're back with a vengeance
              > > Well I meant a quote.
              > > .
              > > ----- Original Message -----
              > > From: masanga@...
              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >
              > >
              > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
              words of
              > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
              > >> reported
              > >> to have said:
              > >>
              > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              > >> fantasies
              > >> into the pit of destruction."
              > >>
              > >> Regan
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> ----- Original Message -----
              > >> From: nathaniel x vance
              > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
              TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
              ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
              earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >> ZetaTalk:
              > >> GodlikeProduction Live
              > >>
              > >> written
              > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: Obama
              > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
              did on
              > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
              in his
              > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
              > >> president, what does it mean for the
              > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
              Zetas
              > >> have
              > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
              would
              > >> like
              > >> to ask the Zetas if on
              > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
              and if
              > >> so
              > >> was
              > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
              Friday the
              > >> CNN
              > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
              "pause"
              > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
              to
              > >> comment.
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
              > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
              heart
              > >> and
              > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
              looked
              > >> older
              > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
              > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
              Yet the
              > >> race
              > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
              him
              > >> loss
              > >> of
              > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
              already
              > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
              and
              > >> what
              > >> the
              > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
              did not
              > >> learn
              > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
              company
              > >> crimes,
              > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
              and
              > >> the
              > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
              planetary
              > >> presence
              > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
              heard
              > >> the
              > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
              to
              > >> him
              > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
              confirmation.
              > >> Why would
              > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
              > >> boundaries
              > >> are
              > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
              and
              > >> how
              > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
              > >> decided.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: This
              > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
              in the
              > >> future.
              > >>
              > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
              is
              > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
              Lincoln
              > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              > >> figuratively?
              > >>
              > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
              recognize
              > >> early
              > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
              he
              > >> was
              > >> a
              > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
              > >> circumstances
              > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
              body
              > >> and
              > >> mind
              > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
              conclusion
              > >> that
              > >> they have a new soul within.
              > >>
              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              > >>
              > >> The
              > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              > >>
              > >> Issue 104,
              > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              > >>
              > >> Election
              > >> Results
              > >>
              > >> As predicted by
              > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
              state by
              > >> state,
              > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
              ended up
              > >> in
              > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
              the
              > >> actual
              > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              > >>
              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              > >>
              > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
              Not
              > >> MOCKED!
              > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              > >> http://zetaheaven.org
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------------------------------
              > >
              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
            • Ted
              Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama s staff, like spiritual advisors. Heck it s worth a try. Then
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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                Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama's staff, like spiritual advisors.
                Heck it's worth a try.
                Then just maybe you'll keep your dribble off my screen.
                ----- Original Message -----
                From: nathaniel x vance
                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:47 AM
                Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                Dear Regan, Ted,
                President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
                victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                24/7!!
                I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                and sconld.
                We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
                less!
                Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                >
                > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                at
                > times.
                > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                the
                > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                And by
                > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                >
                > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                mae,
                > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                would
                > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                into
                > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                and
                > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                things.
                > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                for
                > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                friends.
                > Good to see you're back.
                > Later...
                > Ted
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: masanga@...
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > > Hi Ted,
                > >
                > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                to get
                > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                eventually
                > > got
                > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                my
                > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                and was
                > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                forum
                > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                of
                > > Barack
                > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                them. The
                > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                joy in
                > > the
                > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                age has
                > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                > > world-historic
                > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                Why
                > > not? I found this puzzling.
                > >
                > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                election
                > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                politicians
                > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                that
                > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                constitutes
                > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                the
                > > whole
                > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                > > Lambremont
                > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                remove
                > > the
                > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                > > myself
                > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                > >
                > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                found no
                > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                from
                > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                whenever I
                > > am
                > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                that
                > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                want to
                > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                may be.
                > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                Zeta -
                > > on
                > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                among us
                > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                So my
                > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                > > fact -
                > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                > > activity
                > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                do
                > > that
                > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                natural
                > > consequences of doing it.
                > >
                > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                now
                > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                > >
                > > Warm regards,
                > > Regan
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Ted
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > > So you're back with a vengeance
                > > Well I meant a quote.
                > > .
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: masanga@...
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                words of
                > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                > >> reported
                > >> to have said:
                > >>
                > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                > >> fantasies
                > >> into the pit of destruction."
                > >>
                > >> Regan
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ----- Original Message -----
                > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ZetaTalk:
                > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                > >>
                > >> written
                > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Obama
                > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                did on
                > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                in his
                > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                > >> president, what does it mean for the
                > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                Zetas
                > >> have
                > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                would
                > >> like
                > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                and if
                > >> so
                > >> was
                > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                Friday the
                > >> CNN
                > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                "pause"
                > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                to
                > >> comment.
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                heart
                > >> and
                > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                looked
                > >> older
                > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                Yet the
                > >> race
                > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                him
                > >> loss
                > >> of
                > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                already
                > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                and
                > >> what
                > >> the
                > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                did not
                > >> learn
                > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                company
                > >> crimes,
                > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                and
                > >> the
                > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                planetary
                > >> presence
                > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                heard
                > >> the
                > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                to
                > >> him
                > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                confirmation.
                > >> Why would
                > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                > >> boundaries
                > >> are
                > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                and
                > >> how
                > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                > >> decided.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: This
                > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                in the
                > >> future.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                is
                > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                Lincoln
                > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                > >> figuratively?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                recognize
                > >> early
                > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                he
                > >> was
                > >> a
                > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                > >> circumstances
                > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                body
                > >> and
                > >> mind
                > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                conclusion
                > >> that
                > >> they have a new soul within.
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                > >>
                > >> The
                > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                > >>
                > >> Issue 104,
                > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                > >>
                > >> Election
                > >> Results
                > >>
                > >> As predicted by
                > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                state by
                > >> state,
                > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                ended up
                > >> in
                > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                the
                > >> actual
                > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                > >>
                > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                Not
                > >> MOCKED!
                > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
                > >
                > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >





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              • masanga@talktalk.net
                It s good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama s new job either, especially under the present
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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                  It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
                  you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
                  under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
                  know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
                  thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as the
                  media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                  "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
                  nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able to
                  act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
                  them to be.

                  But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
                  have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
                  possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man, I
                  expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
                  waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                  powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
                  course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                  promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                  rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
                  they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                  "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
                  can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
                  hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.

                  In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of the
                  fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
                  but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
                  in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                  witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of free-market
                  capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
                  species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
                  mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.

                  He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
                  "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
                  "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                  illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                  questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
                  humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture, for
                  now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that humanity
                  can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama and
                  his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
                  by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.

                  Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
                  shift too.

                  Cheers Ted,
                  Regan


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Ted
                  To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                  Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
                  times.
                  Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                  Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
                  economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
                  the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

                  Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
                  freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
                  think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
                  the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
                  his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
                  Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
                  President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
                  Good to see you're back.
                  Later...
                  Ted
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: <masanga@...>
                  To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                  > Hi Ted,
                  >
                  > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
                  > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
                  > got
                  > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
                  > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
                  > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
                  > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
                  > Barack
                  > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
                  > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
                  > the
                  > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
                  > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  > world-historic
                  > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
                  > not? I found this puzzling.
                  >
                  > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
                  > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
                  > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
                  > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
                  > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
                  > whole
                  > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  > Lambremont
                  > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
                  > the
                  > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                  > myself
                  > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                  >
                  > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
                  > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
                  > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
                  > am
                  > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
                  > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
                  > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
                  > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
                  > on
                  > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
                  > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
                  > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                  > fact -
                  > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                  > activity
                  > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                  > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
                  > that
                  > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
                  > consequences of doing it.
                  >
                  > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
                  > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  >
                  > Warm regards,
                  > Regan
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Ted
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > So you're back with a vengeance
                  > Well I meant a quote.
                  > .
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: <masanga@...>
                  > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
                  >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                  >> reported
                  >> to have said:
                  >>
                  >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  >> fantasies
                  >> into the pit of destruction."
                  >>
                  >> Regan
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ZetaTalk:
                  >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  >>
                  >> written
                  >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  >>
                  >> Questioner: Obama
                  >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
                  >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
                  >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                  >> president, what does it mean for the
                  >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
                  >> have
                  >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
                  >> like
                  >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
                  >> so
                  >> was
                  >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
                  >> CNN
                  >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
                  >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
                  >> comment.
                  >>
                  >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                  >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
                  >> and
                  >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
                  >> older
                  >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                  >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
                  >> race
                  >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
                  >> loss
                  >> of
                  >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
                  >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
                  >> what
                  >> the
                  >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
                  >> learn
                  >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
                  >> crimes,
                  >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
                  >> the
                  >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
                  >> presence
                  >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
                  >> the
                  >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
                  >> him
                  >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
                  >> Why would
                  >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                  >> boundaries
                  >> are
                  >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
                  >> how
                  >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                  >> decided.
                  >>
                  >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  >>
                  >> Zeta response: This
                  >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
                  >> future.
                  >>
                  >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
                  >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
                  >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  >> figuratively?
                  >>
                  >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
                  >> early
                  >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
                  >> was
                  >> a
                  >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                  >> circumstances
                  >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
                  >> and
                  >> mind
                  >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
                  >> that
                  >> they have a new soul within.
                  >>
                  >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  >>
                  >> The
                  >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  >>
                  >> Issue 104,
                  >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  >>
                  >> Election
                  >> Results
                  >>
                  >> As predicted by
                  >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
                  >> state,
                  >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
                  >> in
                  >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
                  >> actual
                  >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  >>
                  >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  >>
                  >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
                  >> MOCKED!
                  >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  >
                  >
                  > ------------------------------------
                • Ted
                  We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still ... From: To: Sent: Friday, November 14,
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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                    We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: <masanga@...>
                    To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:44 AM
                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                    > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
                    > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
                    > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
                    > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
                    > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as
                    > the
                    > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                    > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
                    > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able
                    > to
                    > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
                    > them to be.
                    >
                    > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
                    > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
                    > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man,
                    > I
                    > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
                    > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                    > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
                    > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                    > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                    > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
                    > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                    > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
                    > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
                    > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                    >
                    > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of
                    > the
                    > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
                    > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
                    > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                    > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                    > free-market
                    > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
                    > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
                    > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                    >
                    > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
                    > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
                    > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                    > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                    > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
                    > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture,
                    > for
                    > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                    > humanity
                    > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama
                    > and
                    > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
                    > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                    >
                    > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
                    > shift too.
                    >
                    > Cheers Ted,
                    > Regan
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Ted
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
                    > times.
                    > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                    > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
                    > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And
                    > by
                    > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                    >
                    > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
                    > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
                    > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
                    > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
                    > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                    > things.
                    > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
                    > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
                    > Good to see you're back.
                    > Later...
                    > Ted
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: <masanga@...>
                    > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    >> Hi Ted,
                    >>
                    >> Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to
                    >> get
                    >> reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
                    >> got
                    >> back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
                    >> In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and
                    >> was
                    >> struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
                    >> although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
                    >> Barack
                    >> Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them.
                    >> The
                    >> masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
                    >> the
                    >> fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age
                    >> has
                    >> dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    >> world-historic
                    >> event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
                    >> not? I found this puzzling.
                    >>
                    >> Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
                    >> from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
                    >> themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
                    >> presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
                    >> this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
                    >> whole
                    >> of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                    >> Lambremont
                    >> Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
                    >> the
                    >> Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                    >> myself
                    >> so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                    >>
                    >> The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found
                    >> no
                    >> difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
                    >> turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
                    >> am
                    >> confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
                    >> service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want
                    >> to
                    >> get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may
                    >> be.
                    >> Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
                    >> on
                    >> the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among
                    >> us
                    >> who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
                    >> response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                    >> fact -
                    >> to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                    >> activity
                    >> and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                    >> personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
                    >> that
                    >> if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
                    >> consequences of doing it.
                    >>
                    >> I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
                    >> made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    >>
                    >> Warm regards,
                    >> Regan
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: Ted
                    >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> So you're back with a vengeance
                    >> Well I meant a quote.
                    >> .
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: <masanga@...>
                    >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
                    >>> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                    >>> reported
                    >>> to have said:
                    >>>
                    >>> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    >>> fantasies
                    >>> into the pit of destruction."
                    >>>
                    >>> Regan
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> ----- Original Message -----
                    >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                    >>> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com
                    >>> ;
                    >>> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com
                    >>> ;
                    >>> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >>> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> ZetaTalk:
                    >>> GodlikeProduction Live
                    >>>
                    >>> written
                    >>> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    >>>
                    >>> Questioner: Obama
                    >>> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
                    >>> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
                    >>> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                    >>> president, what does it mean for the
                    >>> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
                    >>> have
                    >>> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
                    >>> like
                    >>> to ask the Zetas if on
                    >>> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
                    >>> so
                    >>> was
                    >>> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
                    >>> CNN
                    >>> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
                    >>> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                    >>> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
                    >>> comment.
                    >>>
                    >>> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                    >>> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
                    >>> and
                    >>> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                    >>> looked
                    >>> older
                    >>> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                    >>> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet
                    >>> the
                    >>> race
                    >>> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
                    >>> loss
                    >>> of
                    >>> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
                    >>> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
                    >>> what
                    >>> the
                    >>> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did
                    >>> not
                    >>> learn
                    >>> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
                    >>> crimes,
                    >>> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
                    >>> the
                    >>> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
                    >>> presence
                    >>> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
                    >>> the
                    >>> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
                    >>> him
                    >>> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                    >>> confirmation.
                    >>> Why would
                    >>> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                    >>> boundaries
                    >>> are
                    >>> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
                    >>> how
                    >>> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                    >>> decided.
                    >>>
                    >>> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    >>> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    >>>
                    >>> Zeta response: This
                    >>> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
                    >>> future.
                    >>>
                    >>> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    >>> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
                    >>> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
                    >>> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    >>> figuratively?
                    >>>
                    >>> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    >>> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
                    >>> early
                    >>> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
                    >>> was
                    >>> a
                    >>> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                    >>> circumstances
                    >>> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
                    >>> and
                    >>> mind
                    >>> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
                    >>> that
                    >>> they have a new soul within.
                    >>>
                    >>> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    >>>
                    >>> The
                    >>> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    >>>
                    >>> Issue 104,
                    >>> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    >>>
                    >>> Election
                    >>> Results
                    >>>
                    >>> As predicted by
                    >>> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
                    >>> state,
                    >>> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    >>> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
                    >>> in
                    >>> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
                    >>> actual
                    >>> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    >>> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    >>>
                    >>> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    >>>
                    >>> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
                    >>> MOCKED!
                    >>> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    >>> http://zetaheaven.org
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ------------------------------------
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                    >
                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                    >
                    >
                    >
                  • masanga@talktalk.net
                    Dear Nathaniel, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
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                      Dear Nathaniel,

                      "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain
                      number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                      wicked...."

                      Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes of our
                      lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone else
                      in this respect.

                      ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would win
                      despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."

                      So did a lot of other people predict it too and without needing any
                      "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the "seemingly
                      insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He seemed to
                      have a clear run to me.

                      ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."

                      Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible about
                      that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.

                      "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and praises
                      to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted
                      him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected
                      around the clock 24/7!!"

                      You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                      meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really in
                      defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                      Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up to
                      the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                      supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a system
                      of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where the
                      people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become the
                      all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                      Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken office
                      yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit for
                      becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.

                      "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She is
                      doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness for the
                      wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."

                      I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as I see
                      it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be as you
                      say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                      transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I think she
                      is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is independent
                      of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting the
                      existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the anonymous
                      "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on sheer
                      blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of the
                      terms.

                      ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed and
                      sconld...."

                      What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or scold
                      her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially and
                      objectively.

                      "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                      intransigence...."

                      How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to compromise" and
                      to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us to
                      make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder what
                      they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think she
                      cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price. But
                      then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.

                      "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance of
                      the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                      Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."

                      Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or
                      is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                      statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which she has
                      now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which you
                      posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she can
                      turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into an
                      alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or even
                      appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence? It is
                      nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing to pay
                      before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too high for
                      me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                      picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                      perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                      ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a lie the
                      next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                      appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.

                      Regards,
                      Regan


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: nathaniel x vance
                      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                      Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                      Dear Regan, Ted,
                      President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                      certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                      greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                      barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                      him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                      afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                      and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
                      victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                      24/7!!
                      I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                      is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                      for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                      righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                      and sconld.
                      We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                      intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                      re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
                      less!
                      Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

                      --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                      at
                      > times.
                      > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                      > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                      the
                      > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                      And by
                      > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      >
                      > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                      mae,
                      > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                      would
                      > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                      into
                      > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                      and
                      > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                      things.
                      > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                      for
                      > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                      friends.
                      > Good to see you're back.
                      > Later...
                      > Ted
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: masanga@...
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > > Hi Ted,
                      > >
                      > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                      to get
                      > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                      eventually
                      > > got
                      > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                      my
                      > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                      and was
                      > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                      forum
                      > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                      of
                      > > Barack
                      > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                      them. The
                      > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                      joy in
                      > > the
                      > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                      age has
                      > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      > > world-historic
                      > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                      Why
                      > > not? I found this puzzling.
                      > >
                      > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                      election
                      > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                      politicians
                      > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                      that
                      > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                      constitutes
                      > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                      the
                      > > whole
                      > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                      > > Lambremont
                      > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                      remove
                      > > the
                      > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                      > > myself
                      > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                      > >
                      > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                      found no
                      > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                      from
                      > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                      whenever I
                      > > am
                      > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                      that
                      > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                      want to
                      > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                      may be.
                      > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                      Zeta -
                      > > on
                      > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                      among us
                      > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                      So my
                      > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                      > > fact -
                      > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                      > > activity
                      > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                      > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                      do
                      > > that
                      > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                      natural
                      > > consequences of doing it.
                      > >
                      > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                      now
                      > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      > >
                      > > Warm regards,
                      > > Regan
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: Ted
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > So you're back with a vengeance
                      > > Well I meant a quote.
                      > > .
                      > > ----- Original Message -----
                      > > From: masanga@...
                      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                      words of
                      > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                      > >> reported
                      > >> to have said:
                      > >>
                      > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      > >> fantasies
                      > >> into the pit of destruction."
                      > >>
                      > >> Regan
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> ----- Original Message -----
                      > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                      > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                      TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                      ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                      earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >>
                      > >> ZetaTalk:
                      > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                      > >>
                      > >> written
                      > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      > >>
                      > >> Questioner: Obama
                      > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                      did on
                      > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                      in his
                      > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                      > >> president, what does it mean for the
                      > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                      Zetas
                      > >> have
                      > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                      would
                      > >> like
                      > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                      > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                      and if
                      > >> so
                      > >> was
                      > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                      Friday the
                      > >> CNN
                      > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                      "pause"
                      > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                      > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                      to
                      > >> comment.
                      > >>
                      > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                      > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                      heart
                      > >> and
                      > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                      looked
                      > >> older
                      > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                      > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                      Yet the
                      > >> race
                      > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                      him
                      > >> loss
                      > >> of
                      > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                      already
                      > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                      and
                      > >> what
                      > >> the
                      > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                      did not
                      > >> learn
                      > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                      company
                      > >> crimes,
                      > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                      and
                      > >> the
                      > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                      planetary
                      > >> presence
                      > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                      heard
                      > >> the
                      > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                      to
                      > >> him
                      > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      confirmation.
                      > >> Why would
                      > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                      > >> boundaries
                      > >> are
                      > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                      and
                      > >> how
                      > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                      > >> decided.
                      > >>
                      > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      > >>
                      > >> Zeta response: This
                      > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                      in the
                      > >> future.
                      > >>
                      > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                      is
                      > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                      Lincoln
                      > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      > >> figuratively?
                      > >>
                      > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                      recognize
                      > >> early
                      > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                      he
                      > >> was
                      > >> a
                      > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                      > >> circumstances
                      > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                      body
                      > >> and
                      > >> mind
                      > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                      conclusion
                      > >> that
                      > >> they have a new soul within.
                      > >>
                      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      > >>
                      > >> The
                      > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      > >>
                      > >> Issue 104,
                      > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      > >>
                      > >> Election
                      > >> Results
                      > >>
                      > >> As predicted by
                      > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                      state by
                      > >> state,
                      > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                      ended up
                      > >> in
                      > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                      the
                      > >> actual
                      > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      > >>
                      > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      > >>
                      > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                      Not
                      > >> MOCKED!
                      > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > ------------------------------------
                    • nathaniel x vance
                      Dear masanga, Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                      Message 10 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
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                        Dear masanga,
                        Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                        must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                        rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                        of some kind of powerful medication?
                        I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                        not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                        on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                        shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                        My sympathy.

                        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                        Like
                        > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                        especially
                        > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                        not
                        > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                        he
                        > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                        as the
                        > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                        > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                        powerful
                        > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                        able to
                        > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                        perceives
                        > them to be.
                        >
                        > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                        probably
                        > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                        his
                        > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                        man, I
                        > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                        in
                        > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                        > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                        of
                        > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                        > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                        > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                        that
                        > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                        > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                        saviour
                        > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                        can
                        > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                        >
                        > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                        of the
                        > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                        problem
                        > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                        that is
                        > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                        > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                        free-market
                        > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                        intelligent
                        > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                        collective
                        > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                        >
                        > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                        worshipping
                        > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                        in
                        > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                        > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                        > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                        underlie
                        > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                        torture, for
                        > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                        humanity
                        > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                        Obama and
                        > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                        identified
                        > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                        >
                        > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                        pole
                        > shift too.
                        >
                        > Cheers Ted,
                        > Regan
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Ted
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                        at
                        > times.
                        > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                        > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                        the
                        > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                        And by
                        > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        >
                        > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                        mae,
                        > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                        would
                        > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                        into
                        > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                        and
                        > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                        things.
                        > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                        for
                        > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        friends.
                        > Good to see you're back.
                        > Later...
                        > Ted
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: masanga@...
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > > Hi Ted,
                        > >
                        > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        to get
                        > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        eventually
                        > > got
                        > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                        my
                        > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                        and was
                        > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                        forum
                        > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                        of
                        > > Barack
                        > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                        them. The
                        > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                        joy in
                        > > the
                        > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                        age has
                        > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        > > world-historic
                        > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                        Why
                        > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        > >
                        > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        election
                        > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        politicians
                        > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                        that
                        > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        constitutes
                        > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                        the
                        > > whole
                        > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                        > > Lambremont
                        > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                        remove
                        > > the
                        > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                        > > myself
                        > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                        > >
                        > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        found no
                        > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                        from
                        > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        whenever I
                        > > am
                        > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                        that
                        > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                        want to
                        > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                        may be.
                        > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                        Zeta -
                        > > on
                        > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                        among us
                        > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                        So my
                        > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                        > > fact -
                        > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                        > > activity
                        > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                        > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                        do
                        > > that
                        > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        natural
                        > > consequences of doing it.
                        > >
                        > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        now
                        > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        > >
                        > > Warm regards,
                        > > Regan
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: Ted
                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        > > Well I meant a quote.
                        > > .
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: masanga@...
                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        words of
                        > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                        > >> reported
                        > >> to have said:
                        > >>
                        > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        > >> fantasies
                        > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        > >>
                        > >> Regan
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >> ZetaTalk:
                        > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        > >>
                        > >> written
                        > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        > >>
                        > >> Questioner: Obama
                        > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                        did on
                        > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                        in his
                        > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                        > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                        Zetas
                        > >> have
                        > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                        would
                        > >> like
                        > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                        and if
                        > >> so
                        > >> was
                        > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                        Friday the
                        > >> CNN
                        > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        "pause"
                        > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                        > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                        to
                        > >> comment.
                        > >>
                        > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                        > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                        heart
                        > >> and
                        > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                        looked
                        > >> older
                        > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                        > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                        Yet the
                        > >> race
                        > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                        him
                        > >> loss
                        > >> of
                        > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                        already
                        > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                        and
                        > >> what
                        > >> the
                        > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                        did not
                        > >> learn
                        > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                        company
                        > >> crimes,
                        > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                        and
                        > >> the
                        > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        planetary
                        > >> presence
                        > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                        heard
                        > >> the
                        > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                        to
                        > >> him
                        > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        confirmation.
                        > >> Why would
                        > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                        > >> boundaries
                        > >> are
                        > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                        and
                        > >> how
                        > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                        > >> decided.
                        > >>
                        > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        > >>
                        > >> Zeta response: This
                        > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                        in the
                        > >> future.
                        > >>
                        > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                        is
                        > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                        Lincoln
                        > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                        > >> figuratively?
                        > >>
                        > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                        > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        recognize
                        > >> early
                        > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                        he
                        > >> was
                        > >> a
                        > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                        > >> circumstances
                        > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                        body
                        > >> and
                        > >> mind
                        > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        conclusion
                        > >> that
                        > >> they have a new soul within.
                        > >>
                        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        > >>
                        > >> The
                        > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        > >>
                        > >> Issue 104,
                        > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        > >>
                        > >> Election
                        > >> Results
                        > >>
                        > >> As predicted by
                        > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                        state by
                        > >> state,
                        > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                        ended up
                        > >> in
                        > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                        the
                        > >> actual
                        > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        > >>
                        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        > >>
                        > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                        Not
                        > >> MOCKED!
                        > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ------------------------------------
                        >
                      • nathaniel x vance
                        Dear masanga, I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of seven.
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
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                          Dear masanga,
                          I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                          your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                          seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                          crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                          your answer be?
                          Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                          someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                          you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                          UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                          to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                          his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                          would qualify.
                          As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                          level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                          Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > Dear Nathaniel,
                          >
                          > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          certain
                          > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                          > wicked...."
                          >
                          > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                          of our
                          > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                          else
                          > in this respect.
                          >
                          > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                          win
                          > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                          >
                          > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                          needing any
                          > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                          "seemingly
                          > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                          seemed to
                          > have a clear run to me.
                          >
                          > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                          >
                          > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                          about
                          > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                          >
                          > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                          praises
                          > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                          asssisted
                          > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                          protected
                          > around the clock 24/7!!"
                          >
                          > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                          > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                          in
                          > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                          > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                          to
                          > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                          > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                          system
                          > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                          the
                          > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                          the
                          > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                          > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                          office
                          > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                          for
                          > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                          >
                          > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                          She is
                          > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                          for the
                          > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                          >
                          > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                          I see
                          > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                          as you
                          > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                          > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                          think she
                          > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                          independent
                          > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                          the
                          > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                          anonymous
                          > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                          sheer
                          > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                          the
                          > terms.
                          >
                          > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                          and
                          > sconld...."
                          >
                          > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                          scold
                          > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                          and
                          > objectively.
                          >
                          > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                          morbid
                          > intransigence...."
                          >
                          > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                          compromise" and
                          > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                          to
                          > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                          what
                          > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                          she
                          > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                          But
                          > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                          >
                          > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                          of
                          > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                          > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                          >
                          > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                          we? Or
                          > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                          > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                          she has
                          > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                          you
                          > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                          can
                          > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                          an
                          > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                          even
                          > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                          It is
                          > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                          to pay
                          > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                          high for
                          > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                          > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                          > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                          > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                          lie the
                          > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                          > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                          >
                          > Regards,
                          > Regan
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: nathaniel x vance
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > Dear Regan, Ted,
                          > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                          > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                          > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                          > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                          > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                          > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                          > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                          this
                          > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                          > 24/7!!
                          > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                          > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                          consciousness
                          > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                          > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                          > and sconld.
                          > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                          > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                          > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                          or
                          > less!
                          > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                          >
                          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                          > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                          bitch
                          > at
                          > > times.
                          > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                          > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                          > the
                          > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                          count.
                          > And by
                          > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                          > >
                          > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                          FANNIE
                          > mae,
                          > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                          > would
                          > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                          > into
                          > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                          idea,
                          > and
                          > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                          > things.
                          > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                          name
                          > for
                          > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                          > friends.
                          > > Good to see you're back.
                          > > Later...
                          > > Ted
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: masanga@
                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > > Hi Ted,
                          > > >
                          > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                          > to get
                          > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                          > eventually
                          > > > got
                          > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                          in
                          > my
                          > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                          > and was
                          > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                          > forum
                          > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                          > of
                          > > > Barack
                          > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                          > them. The
                          > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                          > joy in
                          > > > the
                          > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                          > age has
                          > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                          > > > world-historic
                          > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                          here.
                          > Why
                          > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                          > > >
                          > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                          > election
                          > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                          > politicians
                          > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                          > that
                          > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                          > constitutes
                          > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                          > the
                          > > > whole
                          > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                          > > > Lambremont
                          > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                          > remove
                          > > > the
                          > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                          anything
                          > > > myself
                          > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                          > > >
                          > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                          > found no
                          > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                          > from
                          > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                          > whenever I
                          > > > am
                          > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                          > that
                          > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                          > want to
                          > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                          > may be.
                          > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                          > Zeta -
                          > > > on
                          > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                          > among us
                          > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                          > So my
                          > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                          in
                          > > > fact -
                          > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                          > > > activity
                          > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                          their
                          > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                          > do
                          > > > that
                          > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                          > natural
                          > > > consequences of doing it.
                          > > >
                          > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                          > now
                          > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                          > > >
                          > > > Warm regards,
                          > > > Regan
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: Ted
                          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          [11-08-08]
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                          > > > Well I meant a quote.
                          > > > .
                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > > From: masanga@
                          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                          > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                          [11-08-08]
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                          > words of
                          > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                          > > >> reported
                          > > >> to have said:
                          > > >>
                          > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                          > > >> fantasies
                          > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                          > > >>
                          > > >> Regan
                          > > >>
                          > > >>
                          > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                          > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                          > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > > >>
                          > > >>
                          > > >>
                          > > >>
                          > > >> ZetaTalk:
                          > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                          > > >>
                          > > >> written
                          > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                          > > >>
                          > > >> Questioner: Obama
                          > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                          > did on
                          > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                          > in his
                          > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                          new
                          > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                          > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                          The
                          > Zetas
                          > > >> have
                          > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                          > would
                          > > >> like
                          > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                          > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                          > and if
                          > > >> so
                          > > >> was
                          > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                          > Friday the
                          > > >> CNN
                          > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                          > "pause"
                          > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                          > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                          declined
                          > to
                          > > >> comment.
                          > > >>
                          > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                          consensus
                          > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                          > heart
                          > > >> and
                          > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                          Obama
                          > looked
                          > > >> older
                          > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                          > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                          > Yet the
                          > > >> race
                          > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                          causing
                          > him
                          > > >> loss
                          > > >> of
                          > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                          > already
                          > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                          > and
                          > > >> what
                          > > >> the
                          > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                          > did not
                          > > >> learn
                          > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                          > company
                          > > >> crimes,
                          > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                          FBI
                          > and
                          > > >> the
                          > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                          > planetary
                          > > >> presence
                          > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                          had
                          > heard
                          > > >> the
                          > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                          relayed
                          > to
                          > > >> him
                          > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                          > confirmation.
                          > > >> Why would
                          > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                          > > >> boundaries
                          > > >> are
                          > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                          cover-up,
                          > and
                          > > >> how
                          > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                          been
                          > > >> decided.
                          > > >>
                          > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                          > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                          > > >>
                          > > >> Zeta response: This
                          > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                          > in the
                          > > >> future.
                          > > >>
                          > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                          > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                          He
                          > is
                          > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                          > Lincoln
                          > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                          > > >> figuratively?
                          > > >>
                          > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                          > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                          > recognize
                          > > >> early
                          > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                          case,
                          > he
                          > > >> was
                          > > >> a
                          > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                          > > >> circumstances
                          > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                          > body
                          > > >> and
                          > > >> mind
                          > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                          > conclusion
                          > > >> that
                          > > >> they have a new soul within.
                          > > >>
                          > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                          > > >>
                          > > >> The
                          > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                          > > >>
                          > > >> Issue 104,
                          > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                          > > >>
                          > > >> Election
                          > > >> Results
                          > > >>
                          > > >> As predicted by
                          > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                          > state by
                          > > >> state,
                          > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                          > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                          > ended up
                          > > >> in
                          > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                          > the
                          > > >> actual
                          > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                          > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                          > > >>
                          > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                          > > >>
                          > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                          > Not
                          > > >> MOCKED!
                          > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                          > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > ------------------------------------
                          >



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                          Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
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                            Nathaniel,

                            The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
                            situation. You are evading the issue.

                            Regan


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: nathaniel x vance
                            To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
                            Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                            Dear masanga,
                            Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                            must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                            rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                            of some kind of powerful medication?
                            I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                            not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                            on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                            shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                            My sympathy.

                            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                            Like
                            > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                            especially
                            > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                            not
                            > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                            he
                            > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                            as the
                            > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                            > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                            powerful
                            > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                            able to
                            > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                            perceives
                            > them to be.
                            >
                            > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                            probably
                            > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                            his
                            > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                            man, I
                            > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                            in
                            > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                            > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                            of
                            > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                            > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                            > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                            that
                            > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                            > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                            saviour
                            > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                            can
                            > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                            >
                            > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                            of the
                            > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                            problem
                            > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                            that is
                            > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                            > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                            free-market
                            > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                            intelligent
                            > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                            collective
                            > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                            >
                            > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                            worshipping
                            > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                            in
                            > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                            > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                            > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                            underlie
                            > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                            torture, for
                            > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                            humanity
                            > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                            Obama and
                            > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                            identified
                            > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                            >
                            > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                            pole
                            > shift too.
                            >
                            > Cheers Ted,
                            > Regan
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Ted
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                            > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                            at
                            > times.
                            > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                            > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                            the
                            > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                            And by
                            > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                            >
                            > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                            mae,
                            > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                            would
                            > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                            into
                            > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                            and
                            > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                            things.
                            > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                            for
                            > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                            friends.
                            > Good to see you're back.
                            > Later...
                            > Ted
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: masanga@...
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            > > Hi Ted,
                            > >
                            > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                            to get
                            > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                            eventually
                            > > got
                            > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                            my
                            > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                            and was
                            > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                            forum
                            > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                            of
                            > > Barack
                            > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                            them. The
                            > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                            joy in
                            > > the
                            > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                            age has
                            > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                            > > world-historic
                            > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                            Why
                            > > not? I found this puzzling.
                            > >
                            > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                            election
                            > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                            politicians
                            > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                            that
                            > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                            constitutes
                            > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                            the
                            > > whole
                            > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                            > > Lambremont
                            > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                            remove
                            > > the
                            > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                            > > myself
                            > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                            > >
                            > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                            found no
                            > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                            from
                            > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                            whenever I
                            > > am
                            > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                            that
                            > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                            want to
                            > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                            may be.
                            > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                            Zeta -
                            > > on
                            > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                            among us
                            > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                            So my
                            > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                            > > fact -
                            > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                            > > activity
                            > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                            > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                            do
                            > > that
                            > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                            natural
                            > > consequences of doing it.
                            > >
                            > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                            now
                            > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                            > >
                            > > Warm regards,
                            > > Regan
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: Ted
                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > So you're back with a vengeance
                            > > Well I meant a quote.
                            > > .
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: masanga@...
                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                            words of
                            > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                            > >> reported
                            > >> to have said:
                            > >>
                            > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                            > >> fantasies
                            > >> into the pit of destruction."
                            > >>
                            > >> Regan
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                            TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                            ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                            earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                            > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                            > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >>
                            > >> ZetaTalk:
                            > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                            > >>
                            > >> written
                            > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                            > >>
                            > >> Questioner: Obama
                            > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                            did on
                            > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                            in his
                            > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                            > >> president, what does it mean for the
                            > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                            Zetas
                            > >> have
                            > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                            would
                            > >> like
                            > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                            > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                            and if
                            > >> so
                            > >> was
                            > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                            Friday the
                            > >> CNN
                            > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                            "pause"
                            > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                            > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                            to
                            > >> comment.
                            > >>
                            > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                            > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                            heart
                            > >> and
                            > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                            looked
                            > >> older
                            > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                            > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                            Yet the
                            > >> race
                            > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                            him
                            > >> loss
                            > >> of
                            > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                            already
                            > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                            and
                            > >> what
                            > >> the
                            > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                            did not
                            > >> learn
                            > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                            company
                            > >> crimes,
                            > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                            and
                            > >> the
                            > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                            planetary
                            > >> presence
                            > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                            heard
                            > >> the
                            > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                            to
                            > >> him
                            > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                            confirmation.
                            > >> Why would
                            > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                            > >> boundaries
                            > >> are
                            > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                            and
                            > >> how
                            > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                            > >> decided.
                            > >>
                            > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                            > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                            > >>
                            > >> Zeta response: This
                            > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                            in the
                            > >> future.
                            > >>
                            > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                            > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                            is
                            > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                            Lincoln
                            > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                            > >> figuratively?
                            > >>
                            > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                            > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                            recognize
                            > >> early
                            > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                            he
                            > >> was
                            > >> a
                            > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                            > >> circumstances
                            > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                            body
                            > >> and
                            > >> mind
                            > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                            conclusion
                            > >> that
                            > >> they have a new soul within.
                            > >>
                            > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                            > >>
                            > >> The
                            > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                            > >>
                            > >> Issue 104,
                            > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                            > >>
                            > >> Election
                            > >> Results
                            > >>
                            > >> As predicted by
                            > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                            state by
                            > >> state,
                            > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                            > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                            ended up
                            > >> in
                            > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                            the
                            > >> actual
                            > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                            > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                            > >>
                            > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                            > >>
                            > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                            Not
                            > >> MOCKED!
                            > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                            > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > ------------------------------------
                          • masanga@talktalk.net
                            Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
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                              Nathaniel,

                              I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
                              mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                              compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                              extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
                              unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
                              and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
                              they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                              automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
                              that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
                              Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
                              come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
                              this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
                              and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                              confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
                              to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
                              down to absolute zero in time.

                              I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
                              from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
                              want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
                              first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
                              that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

                              Sincerely,
                              Regan (masanga)


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: nathaniel x vance
                              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                              Dear masanga,
                              I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                              your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                              seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                              crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                              your answer be?
                              Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                              someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                              you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                              UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                              to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                              his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                              would qualify.
                              As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                              level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                              Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Dear Nathaniel,
                              >
                              > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              certain
                              > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                              > wicked...."
                              >
                              > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                              of our
                              > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                              else
                              > in this respect.
                              >
                              > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                              win
                              > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                              >
                              > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                              needing any
                              > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                              "seemingly
                              > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                              seemed to
                              > have a clear run to me.
                              >
                              > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                              >
                              > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                              about
                              > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                              >
                              > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                              praises
                              > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                              asssisted
                              > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                              protected
                              > around the clock 24/7!!"
                              >
                              > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                              > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                              in
                              > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                              > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                              to
                              > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                              > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                              system
                              > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                              the
                              > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                              the
                              > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                              > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                              office
                              > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                              for
                              > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                              >
                              > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                              She is
                              > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                              for the
                              > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                              >
                              > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                              I see
                              > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                              as you
                              > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                              > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                              think she
                              > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                              independent
                              > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                              the
                              > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                              anonymous
                              > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                              sheer
                              > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                              the
                              > terms.
                              >
                              > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                              and
                              > sconld...."
                              >
                              > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                              scold
                              > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                              and
                              > objectively.
                              >
                              > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                              morbid
                              > intransigence...."
                              >
                              > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                              compromise" and
                              > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                              to
                              > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                              what
                              > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                              she
                              > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                              But
                              > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                              >
                              > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                              of
                              > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                              > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                              >
                              > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                              we? Or
                              > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                              > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                              she has
                              > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                              you
                              > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                              can
                              > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                              an
                              > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                              even
                              > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                              It is
                              > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                              to pay
                              > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                              high for
                              > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                              > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                              > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                              > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                              lie the
                              > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                              > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                              >
                              > Regards,
                              > Regan
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: nathaniel x vance
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >
                              >
                              > Dear Regan, Ted,
                              > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                              > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                              > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                              > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                              > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                              > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                              > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                              this
                              > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                              > 24/7!!
                              > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                              > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                              consciousness
                              > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                              > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                              > and sconld.
                              > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                              > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                              > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                              or
                              > less!
                              > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                              >
                              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                              > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                              bitch
                              > at
                              > > times.
                              > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                              > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                              > the
                              > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                              count.
                              > And by
                              > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                              > >
                              > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                              FANNIE
                              > mae,
                              > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                              > would
                              > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                              > into
                              > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                              idea,
                              > and
                              > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                              > things.
                              > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                              name
                              > for
                              > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                              > friends.
                              > > Good to see you're back.
                              > > Later...
                              > > Ted
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: masanga@
                              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > > Hi Ted,
                              > > >
                              > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                              > to get
                              > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                              > eventually
                              > > > got
                              > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                              in
                              > my
                              > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                              > and was
                              > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                              > forum
                              > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                              > of
                              > > > Barack
                              > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                              > them. The
                              > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                              > joy in
                              > > > the
                              > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                              > age has
                              > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                              > > > world-historic
                              > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                              here.
                              > Why
                              > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                              > > >
                              > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                              > election
                              > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                              > politicians
                              > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                              > that
                              > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                              > constitutes
                              > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                              > the
                              > > > whole
                              > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                              > > > Lambremont
                              > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                              > remove
                              > > > the
                              > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                              anything
                              > > > myself
                              > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                              > > >
                              > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                              > found no
                              > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                              > from
                              > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                              > whenever I
                              > > > am
                              > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                              > that
                              > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                              > want to
                              > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                              > may be.
                              > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                              > Zeta -
                              > > > on
                              > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                              > among us
                              > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                              > So my
                              > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                              in
                              > > > fact -
                              > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                              > > > activity
                              > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                              their
                              > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                              > do
                              > > > that
                              > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                              > natural
                              > > > consequences of doing it.
                              > > >
                              > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                              > now
                              > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                              > > >
                              > > > Warm regards,
                              > > > Regan
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: Ted
                              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                              > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                              > > > Well I meant a quote.
                              > > > .
                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > > From: masanga@
                              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                              > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                              [11-08-08]
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                              > words of
                              > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                              > > >> reported
                              > > >> to have said:
                              > > >>
                              > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                              > > >> fantasies
                              > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                              > > >>
                              > > >> Regan
                              > > >>
                              > > >>
                              > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                              > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                              > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > > >>
                              > > >>
                              > > >>
                              > > >>
                              > > >> ZetaTalk:
                              > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                              > > >>
                              > > >> written
                              > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                              > > >>
                              > > >> Questioner: Obama
                              > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                              > did on
                              > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                              > in his
                              > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                              new
                              > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                              > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                              The
                              > Zetas
                              > > >> have
                              > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                              > would
                              > > >> like
                              > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                              > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                              > and if
                              > > >> so
                              > > >> was
                              > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                              > Friday the
                              > > >> CNN
                              > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                              > "pause"
                              > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                              > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                              declined
                              > to
                              > > >> comment.
                              > > >>
                              > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                              consensus
                              > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                              > heart
                              > > >> and
                              > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                              Obama
                              > looked
                              > > >> older
                              > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                              > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                              > Yet the
                              > > >> race
                              > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                              causing
                              > him
                              > > >> loss
                              > > >> of
                              > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                              > already
                              > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                              > and
                              > > >> what
                              > > >> the
                              > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                              > did not
                              > > >> learn
                              > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                              > company
                              > > >> crimes,
                              > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                              FBI
                              > and
                              > > >> the
                              > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                              > planetary
                              > > >> presence
                              > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                              had
                              > heard
                              > > >> the
                              > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                              relayed
                              > to
                              > > >> him
                              > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                              > confirmation.
                              > > >> Why would
                              > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                              > > >> boundaries
                              > > >> are
                              > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                              cover-up,
                              > and
                              > > >> how
                              > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                              been
                              > > >> decided.
                              > > >>
                              > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                              > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                              > > >>
                              > > >> Zeta response: This
                              > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                              > in the
                              > > >> future.
                              > > >>
                              > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                              > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                              He
                              > is
                              > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                              > Lincoln
                              > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                              > > >> figuratively?
                              > > >>
                              > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                              > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                              > recognize
                              > > >> early
                              > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                              case,
                              > he
                              > > >> was
                              > > >> a
                              > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                              > > >> circumstances
                              > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                              > body
                              > > >> and
                              > > >> mind
                              > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                              > conclusion
                              > > >> that
                              > > >> they have a new soul within.
                              > > >>
                              > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                              > > >>
                              > > >> The
                              > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                              > > >>
                              > > >> Issue 104,
                              > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                              > > >>
                              > > >> Election
                              > > >> Results
                              > > >>
                              > > >> As predicted by
                              > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                              > state by
                              > > >> state,
                              > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                              > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                              > ended up
                              > > >> in
                              > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                              > the
                              > > >> actual
                              > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                              > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                              > > >>
                              > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                              > > >>
                              > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                              > Not
                              > > >> MOCKED!
                              > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                              > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > ------------------------------------
                            • nathaniel x vance
                              masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
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                                masanga,
                                Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                At any rate, I wish you well.

                                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Nathaniel,
                                >
                                > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                that my
                                > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                great
                                > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                knowledge,
                                > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                desires,
                                > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                as
                                > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                said
                                > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                And
                                > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                children to
                                > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                for
                                > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                long
                                > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                encouragement
                                > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                mental age
                                > down to absolute zero in time.
                                >
                                > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                break
                                > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                don't
                                > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                in the
                                > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                suggest
                                > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                >
                                > Sincerely,
                                > Regan (masanga)
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >
                                >
                                > Dear masanga,
                                > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                would
                                > your answer be?
                                > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                Can
                                > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                a
                                > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                Obama,
                                > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                earth
                                > would qualify.
                                > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                >
                                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                > >
                                > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                > certain
                                > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                > > wicked...."
                                > >
                                > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                > of our
                                > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                anyone
                                > else
                                > > in this respect.
                                > >
                                > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                would
                                > win
                                > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                > >
                                > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                > needing any
                                > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                > "seemingly
                                > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                > seemed to
                                > > have a clear run to me.
                                > >
                                > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                > >
                                > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                > about
                                > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                > >
                                > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                > praises
                                > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                > asssisted
                                > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                > protected
                                > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                > >
                                > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                > in
                                > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                up
                                > to
                                > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                is
                                > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                > system
                                > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                where
                                > the
                                > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                > the
                                > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                "Emperor").
                                > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                > office
                                > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                > for
                                > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                > >
                                > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                > She is
                                > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                > for the
                                > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                > >
                                > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                > I see
                                > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                > as you
                                > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                > think she
                                > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                > independent
                                > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                > the
                                > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                > anonymous
                                > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                > sheer
                                > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                > the
                                > > terms.
                                > >
                                > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                > and
                                > > sconld...."
                                > >
                                > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                > scold
                                > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                > and
                                > > objectively.
                                > >
                                > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                > morbid
                                > > intransigence...."
                                > >
                                > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                > compromise" and
                                > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                us
                                > to
                                > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                > what
                                > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                > she
                                > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                price.
                                > But
                                > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                > >
                                > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                re-appearance
                                > of
                                > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                arguments."
                                > >
                                > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                > we? Or
                                > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                > she has
                                > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                which
                                > you
                                > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                > can
                                > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                > an
                                > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                > even
                                > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                > It is
                                > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                > to pay
                                > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                > high for
                                > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                own
                                > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                > lie the
                                > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                > >
                                > > Regards,
                                > > Regan
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                the
                                > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                be
                                > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                team
                                > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                > this
                                > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                clock
                                > > 24/7!!
                                > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                She
                                > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                > consciousness
                                > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                rediculed
                                > > and sconld.
                                > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                > or
                                > > less!
                                > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                arguments.
                                > >
                                > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                > > >
                                > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                > bitch
                                > > at
                                > > > times.
                                > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                me.
                                > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                slightest,
                                > > the
                                > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                > count.
                                > > And by
                                > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                > > >
                                > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                > FANNIE
                                > > mae,
                                > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                > > would
                                > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                money
                                > > into
                                > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                > idea,
                                > > and
                                > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                > > things.
                                > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                > name
                                > > for
                                > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                > > friends.
                                > > > Good to see you're back.
                                > > > Later...
                                > > > Ted
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: masanga@
                                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                [11-08-08]
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > > Hi Ted,
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                > > to get
                                > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                > > eventually
                                > > > > got
                                > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                me
                                > in
                                > > my
                                > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                days
                                > > and was
                                > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                > > forum
                                > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                election
                                > > of
                                > > > > Barack
                                > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                > > them. The
                                > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                of
                                > > joy in
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                new
                                > > age has
                                > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                > > > > world-historic
                                > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                > here.
                                > > Why
                                > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                > > election
                                > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                > > politicians
                                > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                view
                                > > that
                                > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                > > constitutes
                                > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                > > the
                                > > > > whole
                                > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                > > > > Lambremont
                                > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                to
                                > > remove
                                > > > > the
                                > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                > anything
                                > > > > myself
                                > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                either.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                > > found no
                                > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                myself
                                > > from
                                > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                > > whenever I
                                > > > > am
                                > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                > > that
                                > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                don't
                                > > want to
                                > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                spectacle
                                > > may be.
                                > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                the
                                > > Zeta -
                                > > > > on
                                > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                those
                                > > among us
                                > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                it.
                                > > So my
                                > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                warning
                                > in
                                > > > > fact -
                                > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                cult-building
                                > > > > activity
                                > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                > their
                                > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                to
                                > > do
                                > > > > that
                                > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                > > natural
                                > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                > > now
                                > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                > > > >
                                > > > > Warm regards,
                                > > > > Regan
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: Ted
                                > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > [11-08-08]
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                > > > > .
                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > > From: masanga@
                                > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                > [11-08-08]
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                > > words of
                                > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                is
                                > > > >> reported
                                > > > >> to have said:
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                > > > >> fantasies
                                > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Regan
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> written
                                > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                he
                                > > did on
                                > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                out
                                > > in his
                                > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                > new
                                > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                > The
                                > > Zetas
                                > > > >> have
                                > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                > > would
                                > > > >> like
                                > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                X,
                                > > and if
                                > > > >> so
                                > > > >> was
                                > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                > > Friday the
                                > > > >> CNN
                                > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                > > "pause"
                                > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                > declined
                                > > to
                                > > > >> comment.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                > consensus
                                > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                his
                                > > heart
                                > > > >> and
                                > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                > Obama
                                > > looked
                                > > > >> older
                                > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                the
                                > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                candidacy.
                                > > Yet the
                                > > > >> race
                                > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                > causing
                                > > him
                                > > > >> loss
                                > > > >> of
                                > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                > > already
                                > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                world
                                > > and
                                > > > >> what
                                > > > >> the
                                > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                also
                                > > did not
                                > > > >> learn
                                > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                > > company
                                > > > >> crimes,
                                > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                > FBI
                                > > and
                                > > > >> the
                                > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                > > planetary
                                > > > >> presence
                                > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                > had
                                > > heard
                                > > > >> the
                                > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                > relayed
                                > > to
                                > > > >> him
                                > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                > > confirmation.
                                > > > >> Why would
                                > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                US
                                > > > >> boundaries
                                > > > >> are
                                > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                > cover-up,
                                > > and
                                > > > >> how
                                > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                > been
                                > > > >> decided.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                options
                                > > in the
                                > > > >> future.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                beliefs?
                                > He
                                > > is
                                > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                > > Lincoln
                                > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                > > > >> figuratively?
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                > > recognize
                                > > > >> early
                                > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                > case,
                                > > he
                                > > > >> was
                                > > > >> a
                                > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                life
                                > > > >> circumstances
                                > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                human
                                > > body
                                > > > >> and
                                > > > >> mind
                                > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                > > conclusion
                                > > > >> that
                                > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> The
                                > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Issue 104,
                                > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> Election
                                > > > >> Results
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> As predicted by
                                > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                > > state by
                                > > > >> state,
                                > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                > > ended up
                                > > > >> in
                                > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                to
                                > > the
                                > > > >> actual
                                > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                > > > >>
                                > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                is
                                > > Not
                                > > > >> MOCKED!
                                > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                > > > >
                                > > > >
                                > > > > ------------------------------------
                                >
                              • masanga@talktalk.net
                                Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
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                                  Nathaniel,

                                  Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

                                  You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                  Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
                                  me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                  whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                  multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                  must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                  only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

                                  Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                  commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                  acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                  view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
                                  can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

                                  But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                  know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
                                  it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
                                  me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                  business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                  commission without concerning myself with his too.

                                  Regan (masanga)


                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: nathaniel x vance
                                  To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                  Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                  masanga,
                                  Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                  what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                  masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                  you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                  At any rate, I wish you well.

                                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Nathaniel,
                                  >
                                  > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                  that my
                                  > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                  great
                                  > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                  > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                  knowledge,
                                  > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                  desires,
                                  > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                  as
                                  > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                  > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                  said
                                  > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                  And
                                  > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                  children to
                                  > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                  for
                                  > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                  long
                                  > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                  > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                  encouragement
                                  > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                  mental age
                                  > down to absolute zero in time.
                                  >
                                  > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                  break
                                  > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                  don't
                                  > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                  in the
                                  > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                  suggest
                                  > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                  >
                                  > Sincerely,
                                  > Regan (masanga)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Dear masanga,
                                  > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                  > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                  > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                  > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                  would
                                  > your answer be?
                                  > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                  > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                  Can
                                  > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                  a
                                  > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                  > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                  Obama,
                                  > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                  earth
                                  > would qualify.
                                  > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                  > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                  > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                  >
                                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                  > >
                                  > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  > certain
                                  > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                  > > wicked...."
                                  > >
                                  > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                  > of our
                                  > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                  anyone
                                  > else
                                  > > in this respect.
                                  > >
                                  > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                  would
                                  > win
                                  > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                  > >
                                  > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                  > needing any
                                  > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                  > "seemingly
                                  > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                  > seemed to
                                  > > have a clear run to me.
                                  > >
                                  > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                  > >
                                  > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                  > about
                                  > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                  > >
                                  > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                  > praises
                                  > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                  > asssisted
                                  > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                  > protected
                                  > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                  > >
                                  > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                  > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                  > in
                                  > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                  > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                  up
                                  > to
                                  > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                  is
                                  > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                  > system
                                  > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                  where
                                  > the
                                  > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                  > the
                                  > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                  "Emperor").
                                  > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                  > office
                                  > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                  > for
                                  > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                  > >
                                  > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  > She is
                                  > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                  > for the
                                  > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                  > >
                                  > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                  > I see
                                  > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                  > as you
                                  > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                  > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                  > think she
                                  > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                  > independent
                                  > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                  > the
                                  > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                  > anonymous
                                  > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                  > sheer
                                  > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                  > the
                                  > > terms.
                                  > >
                                  > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                  > and
                                  > > sconld...."
                                  > >
                                  > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                  > scold
                                  > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                  > and
                                  > > objectively.
                                  > >
                                  > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                  > morbid
                                  > > intransigence...."
                                  > >
                                  > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                  > compromise" and
                                  > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                  us
                                  > to
                                  > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                  > what
                                  > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                  > she
                                  > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                  price.
                                  > But
                                  > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                  > >
                                  > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  re-appearance
                                  > of
                                  > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                  > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  arguments."
                                  > >
                                  > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                  > we? Or
                                  > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                  > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                  > she has
                                  > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                  which
                                  > you
                                  > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                  > can
                                  > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                  > an
                                  > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                  > even
                                  > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                  > It is
                                  > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                  > to pay
                                  > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                  > high for
                                  > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                  > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                  own
                                  > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                  > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                  > lie the
                                  > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                  > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                  > >
                                  > > Regards,
                                  > > Regan
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                  > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                  > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                  the
                                  > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                  > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                  > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                  be
                                  > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                  team
                                  > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                  > this
                                  > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                  clock
                                  > > 24/7!!
                                  > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  She
                                  > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                  > consciousness
                                  > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                  > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                  rediculed
                                  > > and sconld.
                                  > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                  > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                  > or
                                  > > less!
                                  > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  arguments.
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                  > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                  > bitch
                                  > > at
                                  > > > times.
                                  > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                  me.
                                  > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                  slightest,
                                  > > the
                                  > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                  > count.
                                  > > And by
                                  > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                  > FANNIE
                                  > > mae,
                                  > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                  > > would
                                  > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                  money
                                  > > into
                                  > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                  > idea,
                                  > > and
                                  > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                  > > things.
                                  > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                  > name
                                  > > for
                                  > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                  > > friends.
                                  > > > Good to see you're back.
                                  > > > Later...
                                  > > > Ted
                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > From: masanga@
                                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                  > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  [11-08-08]
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > Hi Ted,
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                  > > to get
                                  > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                  > > eventually
                                  > > > > got
                                  > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                  me
                                  > in
                                  > > my
                                  > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                  days
                                  > > and was
                                  > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                  > > forum
                                  > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                  election
                                  > > of
                                  > > > > Barack
                                  > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                  > > them. The
                                  > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                  of
                                  > > joy in
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                  new
                                  > > age has
                                  > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                  > > > > world-historic
                                  > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                  > here.
                                  > > Why
                                  > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                  > > election
                                  > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                  > > politicians
                                  > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                  view
                                  > > that
                                  > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                  > > constitutes
                                  > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                  > > the
                                  > > > > whole
                                  > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                  > > > > Lambremont
                                  > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                  to
                                  > > remove
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                  > anything
                                  > > > > myself
                                  > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                  either.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                  > > found no
                                  > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                  myself
                                  > > from
                                  > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                  > > whenever I
                                  > > > > am
                                  > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                  > > that
                                  > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                  don't
                                  > > want to
                                  > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                  spectacle
                                  > > may be.
                                  > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                  the
                                  > > Zeta -
                                  > > > > on
                                  > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                  those
                                  > > among us
                                  > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                  it.
                                  > > So my
                                  > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                  warning
                                  > in
                                  > > > > fact -
                                  > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                  cult-building
                                  > > > > activity
                                  > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                  > their
                                  > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                  to
                                  > > do
                                  > > > > that
                                  > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                  > > natural
                                  > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                  > > now
                                  > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Warm regards,
                                  > > > > Regan
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > From: Ted
                                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                  > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                  > > > > .
                                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > From: masanga@
                                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                  > > words of
                                  > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                  is
                                  > > > >> reported
                                  > > > >> to have said:
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                  > > > >> fantasies
                                  > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Regan
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                  > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                  > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> written
                                  > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                  > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                  he
                                  > > did on
                                  > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                  out
                                  > > in his
                                  > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                  > new
                                  > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                  > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                  > The
                                  > > Zetas
                                  > > > >> have
                                  > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                  > > would
                                  > > > >> like
                                  > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                  > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                  X,
                                  > > and if
                                  > > > >> so
                                  > > > >> was
                                  > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                  > > Friday the
                                  > > > >> CNN
                                  > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                  > > "pause"
                                  > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                  > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                  > declined
                                  > > to
                                  > > > >> comment.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                  > consensus
                                  > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                  his
                                  > > heart
                                  > > > >> and
                                  > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                  > Obama
                                  > > looked
                                  > > > >> older
                                  > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                  the
                                  > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                  candidacy.
                                  > > Yet the
                                  > > > >> race
                                  > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                  > causing
                                  > > him
                                  > > > >> loss
                                  > > > >> of
                                  > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                  > > already
                                  > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                  world
                                  > > and
                                  > > > >> what
                                  > > > >> the
                                  > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                  also
                                  > > did not
                                  > > > >> learn
                                  > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                  > > company
                                  > > > >> crimes,
                                  > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                  > FBI
                                  > > and
                                  > > > >> the
                                  > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                  > > planetary
                                  > > > >> presence
                                  > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                  > had
                                  > > heard
                                  > > > >> the
                                  > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                  > relayed
                                  > > to
                                  > > > >> him
                                  > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                  > > confirmation.
                                  > > > >> Why would
                                  > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                  US
                                  > > > >> boundaries
                                  > > > >> are
                                  > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                  > cover-up,
                                  > > and
                                  > > > >> how
                                  > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                  > been
                                  > > > >> decided.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                  > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                  > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                  options
                                  > > in the
                                  > > > >> future.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                  > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                  beliefs?
                                  > He
                                  > > is
                                  > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                  > > Lincoln
                                  > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                  > > > >> figuratively?
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                  > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                  > > recognize
                                  > > > >> early
                                  > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                  > case,
                                  > > he
                                  > > > >> was
                                  > > > >> a
                                  > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                  life
                                  > > > >> circumstances
                                  > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                  human
                                  > > body
                                  > > > >> and
                                  > > > >> mind
                                  > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                  > > conclusion
                                  > > > >> that
                                  > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> The
                                  > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Issue 104,
                                  > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Election
                                  > > > >> Results
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> As predicted by
                                  > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                  > > state by
                                  > > > >> state,
                                  > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                  > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                  > > ended up
                                  > > > >> in
                                  > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                  to
                                  > > the
                                  > > > >> actual
                                  > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                  > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                  is
                                  > > Not
                                  > > > >> MOCKED!
                                  > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                  > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ------------------------------------
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                                    You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                                    head
                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: <masanga@...>
                                    To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                    > Nathaniel,
                                    >
                                    > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                    >
                                    > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                    > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                    > of
                                    > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                    > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                    > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                    > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                    > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                    >
                                    > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                    > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                    > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                    > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                    > he
                                    > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                    >
                                    > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                    > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                    > date
                                    > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                    > to
                                    > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                    > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                    > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                    >
                                    > Regan (masanga)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > masanga,
                                    > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                    > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                    > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                    > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                    > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                    >
                                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                    >>
                                    >> Nathaniel,
                                    >>
                                    >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                    > that my
                                    >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                    > great
                                    >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                    >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                    > knowledge,
                                    >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                    > desires,
                                    >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                    > as
                                    >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                    >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                    > said
                                    >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                    > And
                                    >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                    > children to
                                    >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                    > for
                                    >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                    > long
                                    >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                    >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                    > encouragement
                                    >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                    > mental age
                                    >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                    >>
                                    >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                    > break
                                    >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                    > don't
                                    >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                    > in the
                                    >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                    > suggest
                                    >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                    >>
                                    >> Sincerely,
                                    >> Regan (masanga)
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                    >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                    >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> Dear masanga,
                                    >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                    >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                    >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                    >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                    > would
                                    >> your answer be?
                                    >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                    >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                    > Can
                                    >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                    > a
                                    >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                    >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                    > Obama,
                                    >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                    > earth
                                    >> would qualify.
                                    >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                    >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                    >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                    >>
                                    >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                    >> certain
                                    >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                    >> > wicked...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                    >> of our
                                    >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                    > anyone
                                    >> else
                                    >> > in this respect.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                    > would
                                    >> win
                                    >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                    >> needing any
                                    >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                    >> "seemingly
                                    >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                    >> seemed to
                                    >> > have a clear run to me.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                    >> about
                                    >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                    >> praises
                                    >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                    >> asssisted
                                    >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                    >> protected
                                    >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                    >> >
                                    >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                    >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                    >> in
                                    >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                    >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                    > up
                                    >> to
                                    >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                    > is
                                    >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                    >> system
                                    >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                    > where
                                    >> the
                                    >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                    >> the
                                    >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                    > "Emperor").
                                    >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                    >> office
                                    >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                    >> for
                                    >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                    >> She is
                                    >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                    >> for the
                                    >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                    >> I see
                                    >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                    >> as you
                                    >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                    >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                    >> think she
                                    >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                    >> independent
                                    >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                    >> the
                                    >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                    >> anonymous
                                    >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                    >> sheer
                                    >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                    >> the
                                    >> > terms.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                    >> and
                                    >> > sconld...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                    >> scold
                                    >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                    >> and
                                    >> > objectively.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                    >> morbid
                                    >> > intransigence...."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                    >> compromise" and
                                    >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                    > us
                                    >> to
                                    >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                    >> what
                                    >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                    >> she
                                    >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                    > price.
                                    >> But
                                    >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    > re-appearance
                                    >> of
                                    >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                    >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    > arguments."
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                    >> we? Or
                                    >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                    >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                    >> she has
                                    >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                    > which
                                    >> you
                                    >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                    >> can
                                    >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                    >> an
                                    >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                    >> even
                                    >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                    >> It is
                                    >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                    >> to pay
                                    >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                    >> high for
                                    >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                    >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                    > own
                                    >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                    >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                    >> lie the
                                    >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                    >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Regards,
                                    >> > Regan
                                    >> >
                                    >> >
                                    >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                    >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >> >
                                    >> >
                                    >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                    >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                    >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                    > the
                                    >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                    >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                    >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                    > be
                                    >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                    > team
                                    >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                    >> this
                                    >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                    > clock
                                    >> > 24/7!!
                                    >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                    > She
                                    >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                    >> consciousness
                                    >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                    >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                    > rediculed
                                    >> > and sconld.
                                    >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                    >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                    >> or
                                    >> > less!
                                    >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    > arguments.
                                    >> >
                                    >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                    >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                    >> bitch
                                    >> > at
                                    >> > > times.
                                    >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                    > me.
                                    >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                    > slightest,
                                    >> > the
                                    >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                    >> count.
                                    >> > And by
                                    >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                    >> FANNIE
                                    >> > mae,
                                    >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                    >> > would
                                    >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                    > money
                                    >> > into
                                    >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                    >> idea,
                                    >> > and
                                    >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                    >> > things.
                                    >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                    >> name
                                    >> > for
                                    >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                    >> > friends.
                                    >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                    >> > > Later...
                                    >> > > Ted
                                    >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > > From: masanga@
                                    >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                    >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > [11-08-08]
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > >
                                    >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                    >> > to get
                                    >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                    >> > eventually
                                    >> > > > got
                                    >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                    > me
                                    >> in
                                    >> > my
                                    >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                    > days
                                    >> > and was
                                    >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                    >> > forum
                                    >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                    > election
                                    >> > of
                                    >> > > > Barack
                                    >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                    >> > them. The
                                    >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                    > of
                                    >> > joy in
                                    >> > > > the
                                    >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                    > new
                                    >> > age has
                                    >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                    >> > > > world-historic
                                    >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                    >> here.
                                    >> > Why
                                    >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                    >> > election
                                    >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                    >> > politicians
                                    >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                    > view
                                    >> > that
                                    >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                    >> > constitutes
                                    >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                    >> > the
                                    >> > > > whole
                                    >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                    >> > > > Lambremont
                                    >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                    > to
                                    >> > remove
                                    >> > > > the
                                    >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                    >> anything
                                    >> > > > myself
                                    >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                    > either.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                    >> > found no
                                    >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                    > myself
                                    >> > from
                                    >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                    >> > whenever I
                                    >> > > > am
                                    >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                    >> > that
                                    >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                    > don't
                                    >> > want to
                                    >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                    > spectacle
                                    >> > may be.
                                    >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                    > the
                                    >> > Zeta -
                                    >> > > > on
                                    >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                    > those
                                    >> > among us
                                    >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                    > it.
                                    >> > So my
                                    >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                    > warning
                                    >> in
                                    >> > > > fact -
                                    >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                    > cult-building
                                    >> > > > activity
                                    >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                    >> their
                                    >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                    > to
                                    >> > do
                                    >> > > > that
                                    >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                    >> > natural
                                    >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                    >> > now
                                    >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > Warm regards,
                                    >> > > > Regan
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > > > From: Ted
                                    >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                    >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    >> [11-08-08]
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                    >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                    >> > > > .
                                    >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > > > From: masanga@
                                    >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                    >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    >> [11-08-08]
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                    >> > words of
                                    >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                    > is
                                    >> > > >> reported
                                    >> > > >> to have said:
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                    >> > > >> fantasies
                                    >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Regan
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                    >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                    >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                    >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                    >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> written
                                    >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                    >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                    > he
                                    >> > did on
                                    >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                    > out
                                    >> > in his
                                    >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                    >> new
                                    >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                    >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                    >> The
                                    >> > Zetas
                                    >> > > >> have
                                    >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                    >> > would
                                    >> > > >> like
                                    >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                    >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                    > X,
                                    >> > and if
                                    >> > > >> so
                                    >> > > >> was
                                    >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                    >> > Friday the
                                    >> > > >> CNN
                                    >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                    >> > "pause"
                                    >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                    >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                    >> declined
                                    >> > to
                                    >> > > >> comment.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                    >> consensus
                                    >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                    > his
                                    >> > heart
                                    >> > > >> and
                                    >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                    >> Obama
                                    >> > looked
                                    >> > > >> older
                                    >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                    > the
                                    >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                    > candidacy.
                                    >> > Yet the
                                    >> > > >> race
                                    >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                    >> causing
                                    >> > him
                                    >> > > >> loss
                                    >> > > >> of
                                    >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                    >> > already
                                    >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                    > world
                                    >> > and
                                    >> > > >> what
                                    >> > > >> the
                                    >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                    > also
                                    >> > did not
                                    >> > > >> learn
                                    >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                    >> > company
                                    >> > > >> crimes,
                                    >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                    >> FBI
                                    >> > and
                                    >> > > >> the
                                    >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                    >> > planetary
                                    >> > > >> presence
                                    >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                    >> had
                                    >> > heard
                                    >> > > >> the
                                    >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                    >> relayed
                                    >> > to
                                    >> > > >> him
                                    >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                    >> > confirmation.
                                    >> > > >> Why would
                                    >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                    > US
                                    >> > > >> boundaries
                                    >> > > >> are
                                    >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                    >> cover-up,
                                    >> > and
                                    >> > > >> how
                                    >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                    >> been
                                    >> > > >> decided.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                    >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                    >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                    > options
                                    >> > in the
                                    >> > > >> future.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                    >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                    > beliefs?
                                    >> He
                                    >> > is
                                    >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                    >> > Lincoln
                                    >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                    >> > > >> figuratively?
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                    >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                    >> > recognize
                                    >> > > >> early
                                    >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                    >> case,
                                    >> > he
                                    >> > > >> was
                                    >> > > >> a
                                    >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                    > life
                                    >> > > >> circumstances
                                    >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                    > human
                                    >> > body
                                    >> > > >> and
                                    >> > > >> mind
                                    >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                    >> > conclusion
                                    >> > > >> that
                                    >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> The
                                    >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                    >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> Election
                                    >> > > >> Results
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> As predicted by
                                    >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                    >> > state by
                                    >> > > >> state,
                                    >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                    >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                    >> > ended up
                                    >> > > >> in
                                    >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                    > to
                                    >> > the
                                    >> > > >> actual
                                    >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                    >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                    >> > > >>
                                    >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                    > is
                                    >> > Not
                                    >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                    >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                    >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > >
                                    >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ------------------------------------
                                    >
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                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                  • masanga@talktalk.net
                                    I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
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                                      I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                                      But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                                      understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                                      clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                                      appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                                      concerned.

                                      However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                                      obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                                      should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Ted
                                      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                      You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                                      head
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: <masanga@...>
                                      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                      > Nathaniel,
                                      >
                                      > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                      >
                                      > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                      > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                      > of
                                      > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                      > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                      > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                      > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                      > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                      >
                                      > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                      > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                      > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                      > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                      > he
                                      > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                      >
                                      > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                      > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                      > date
                                      > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                      > to
                                      > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                      > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                      > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                      >
                                      > Regan (masanga)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > masanga,
                                      > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                      > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                      > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                      > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                      > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                      >
                                      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                      >>
                                      >> Nathaniel,
                                      >>
                                      >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                      > that my
                                      >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                      > great
                                      >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                      >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                      > knowledge,
                                      >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                      > desires,
                                      >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                      > as
                                      >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                      >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                      > said
                                      >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                      > And
                                      >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                      > children to
                                      >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                      > for
                                      >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                      > long
                                      >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                      >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                      > encouragement
                                      >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                      > mental age
                                      >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                      >>
                                      >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                      > break
                                      >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                      > don't
                                      >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                      > in the
                                      >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                      > suggest
                                      >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                      >>
                                      >> Sincerely,
                                      >> Regan (masanga)
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> Dear masanga,
                                      >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                      >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                      >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                      >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                      > would
                                      >> your answer be?
                                      >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                      >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                      > Can
                                      >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                      > a
                                      >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                      >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                      > Obama,
                                      >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                      > earth
                                      >> would qualify.
                                      >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                      >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                      >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                      >>
                                      >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                      >> certain
                                      >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                      >> > wicked...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                      >> of our
                                      >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                      > anyone
                                      >> else
                                      >> > in this respect.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                      > would
                                      >> win
                                      >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                      >> needing any
                                      >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                      >> "seemingly
                                      >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                      >> seemed to
                                      >> > have a clear run to me.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                      >> about
                                      >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                      >> praises
                                      >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                      >> asssisted
                                      >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                      >> protected
                                      >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                      >> >
                                      >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                      >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                      >> in
                                      >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                      >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                      > up
                                      >> to
                                      >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                      > is
                                      >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                      >> system
                                      >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                      > where
                                      >> the
                                      >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                      >> the
                                      >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                      > "Emperor").
                                      >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                      >> office
                                      >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                      >> for
                                      >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                      >> She is
                                      >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                      >> for the
                                      >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                      >> I see
                                      >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                      >> as you
                                      >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                      >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                      >> think she
                                      >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                      >> independent
                                      >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                      >> the
                                      >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                      >> anonymous
                                      >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                      >> sheer
                                      >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                      >> the
                                      >> > terms.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                      >> and
                                      >> > sconld...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                      >> scold
                                      >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                      >> and
                                      >> > objectively.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                      >> morbid
                                      >> > intransigence...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                      >> compromise" and
                                      >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                      > us
                                      >> to
                                      >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                      >> what
                                      >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                      >> she
                                      >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                      > price.
                                      >> But
                                      >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      > re-appearance
                                      >> of
                                      >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                      >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      > arguments."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                      >> we? Or
                                      >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                      >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                      >> she has
                                      >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                      > which
                                      >> you
                                      >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                      >> can
                                      >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                      >> an
                                      >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                      >> even
                                      >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                      >> It is
                                      >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                      >> to pay
                                      >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                      >> high for
                                      >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                      >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                      > own
                                      >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                      >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                      >> lie the
                                      >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                      >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Regards,
                                      >> > Regan
                                      >> >
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                      >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >> >
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                      >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                      >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                      > the
                                      >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                      >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                      >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                      > be
                                      >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                      > team
                                      >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                      >> this
                                      >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                      > clock
                                      >> > 24/7!!
                                      >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                      > She
                                      >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                      >> consciousness
                                      >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                      >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                      > rediculed
                                      >> > and sconld.
                                      >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                      >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                      >> or
                                      >> > less!
                                      >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      > arguments.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                      >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                      >> bitch
                                      >> > at
                                      >> > > times.
                                      >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                      > me.
                                      >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                      > slightest,
                                      >> > the
                                      >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                      >> count.
                                      >> > And by
                                      >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                      >> FANNIE
                                      >> > mae,
                                      >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                      >> > would
                                      >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                      > money
                                      >> > into
                                      >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                      >> idea,
                                      >> > and
                                      >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                      >> > things.
                                      >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                      >> name
                                      >> > for
                                      >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                      >> > friends.
                                      >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                      >> > > Later...
                                      >> > > Ted
                                      >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > > From: masanga@
                                      >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                      >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      > [11-08-08]
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                      >> > to get
                                      >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                      >> > eventually
                                      >> > > > got
                                      >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                      > me
                                      >> in
                                      >> > my
                                      >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                      > days
                                      >> > and was
                                      >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                      >> > forum
                                      >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                      > election
                                      >> > of
                                      >> > > > Barack
                                      >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                      >> > them. The
                                      >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                      > of
                                      >> > joy in
                                      >> > > > the
                                      >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                      > new
                                      >> > age has
                                      >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                      >> > > > world-historic
                                      >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                      >> here.
                                      >> > Why
                                      >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                      >> > election
                                      >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                      >> > politicians
                                      >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                      > view
                                      >> > that
                                      >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                      >> > constitutes
                                      >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                      >> > the
                                      >> > > > whole
                                      >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                      >> > > > Lambremont
                                      >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                      > to
                                      >> > remove
                                      >> > > > the
                                      >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                      >> anything
                                      >> > > > myself
                                      >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                      > either.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                      >> > found no
                                      >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                      > myself
                                      >> > from
                                      >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                      >> > whenever I
                                      >> > > > am
                                      >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                      >> > that
                                      >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                      > don't
                                      >> > want to
                                      >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                      > spectacle
                                      >> > may be.
                                      >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                      > the
                                      >> > Zeta -
                                      >> > > > on
                                      >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                      > those
                                      >> > among us
                                      >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                      > it.
                                      >> > So my
                                      >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                      > warning
                                      >> in
                                      >> > > > fact -
                                      >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                      > cult-building
                                      >> > > > activity
                                      >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                      >> their
                                      >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                      > to
                                      >> > do
                                      >> > > > that
                                      >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                      >> > natural
                                      >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                      >> > now
                                      >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > Warm regards,
                                      >> > > > Regan
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > > > From: Ted
                                      >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                      >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      >> [11-08-08]
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                      >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                      >> > > > .
                                      >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > > > From: masanga@
                                      >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                      >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      >> [11-08-08]
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                      >> > words of
                                      >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                      > is
                                      >> > > >> reported
                                      >> > > >> to have said:
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                      >> > > >> fantasies
                                      >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Regan
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                      >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                      >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> written
                                      >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                      >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                      > he
                                      >> > did on
                                      >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                      > out
                                      >> > in his
                                      >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                      >> new
                                      >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                      >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                      >> The
                                      >> > Zetas
                                      >> > > >> have
                                      >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                      >> > would
                                      >> > > >> like
                                      >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                      >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                      > X,
                                      >> > and if
                                      >> > > >> so
                                      >> > > >> was
                                      >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                      >> > Friday the
                                      >> > > >> CNN
                                      >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                      >> > "pause"
                                      >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                      >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                      >> declined
                                      >> > to
                                      >> > > >> comment.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                      >> consensus
                                      >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                      > his
                                      >> > heart
                                      >> > > >> and
                                      >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                      >> Obama
                                      >> > looked
                                      >> > > >> older
                                      >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                      > the
                                      >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                      > candidacy.
                                      >> > Yet the
                                      >> > > >> race
                                      >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                      >> causing
                                      >> > him
                                      >> > > >> loss
                                      >> > > >> of
                                      >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                      >> > already
                                      >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                      > world
                                      >> > and
                                      >> > > >> what
                                      >> > > >> the
                                      >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                      > also
                                      >> > did not
                                      >> > > >> learn
                                      >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                      >> > company
                                      >> > > >> crimes,
                                      >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                      >> FBI
                                      >> > and
                                      >> > > >> the
                                      >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                      >> > planetary
                                      >> > > >> presence
                                      >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                      >> had
                                      >> > heard
                                      >> > > >> the
                                      >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                      >> relayed
                                      >> > to
                                      >> > > >> him
                                      >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                      >> > confirmation.
                                      >> > > >> Why would
                                      >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                      > US
                                      >> > > >> boundaries
                                      >> > > >> are
                                      >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                      >> cover-up,
                                      >> > and
                                      >> > > >> how
                                      >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                      >> been
                                      >> > > >> decided.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                      >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                      >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                      > options
                                      >> > in the
                                      >> > > >> future.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                      >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                      > beliefs?
                                      >> He
                                      >> > is
                                      >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                      >> > Lincoln
                                      >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                      >> > > >> figuratively?
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                      >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                      >> > recognize
                                      >> > > >> early
                                      >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                      >> case,
                                      >> > he
                                      >> > > >> was
                                      >> > > >> a
                                      >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                      > life
                                      >> > > >> circumstances
                                      >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                      > human
                                      >> > body
                                      >> > > >> and
                                      >> > > >> mind
                                      >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                      >> > conclusion
                                      >> > > >> that
                                      >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> The
                                      >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                      >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Election
                                      >> > > >> Results
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> As predicted by
                                      >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                      >> > state by
                                      >> > > >> state,
                                      >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                      >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                      >> > ended up
                                      >> > > >> in
                                      >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                      > to
                                      >> > the
                                      >> > > >> actual
                                      >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                      >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                      > is
                                      >> > Not
                                      >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                      >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                      >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                    • Ted
                                      Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
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                                        Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                                        Nancy's groupies.
                                        He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                                        Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                                        wearing no close
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: <masanga@...>
                                        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                        > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                                        >
                                        > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                                        > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                                        > be
                                        > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                                        > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                                        > concerned.
                                        >
                                        > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                                        > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                                        > he
                                        > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: Ted
                                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                                        > his
                                        > head
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: <masanga@...>
                                        > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                        > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >> Nathaniel,
                                        >>
                                        >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                        >>
                                        >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                        >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                        >> of
                                        >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                        >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                        >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                        >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                        >> have
                                        >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                        >>
                                        >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                        >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                        >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                                        >> my
                                        >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                        >> he
                                        >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                        >>
                                        >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                        >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                        >> date
                                        >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                        >> to
                                        >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                        >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                        >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                        >>
                                        >> Regan (masanga)
                                        >>
                                        >>
                                        >> ----- Original Message -----
                                        >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                        >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                        >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >>
                                        >>
                                        >> masanga,
                                        >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                        >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                        >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                        >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                        >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                                        >>
                                        >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                        >>>
                                        >>> Nathaniel,
                                        >>>
                                        >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                        >> that my
                                        >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                        >> great
                                        >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                        >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                        >> knowledge,
                                        >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                        >> desires,
                                        >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                        >> as
                                        >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                        >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                        >> said
                                        >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                        >> And
                                        >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                        >> children to
                                        >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                        >> for
                                        >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                        >> long
                                        >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                        >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                        >> encouragement
                                        >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                        >> mental age
                                        >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                                        >>>
                                        >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                        >> break
                                        >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                        >> don't
                                        >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                        >> in the
                                        >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                        >> suggest
                                        >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                        >>>
                                        >>> Sincerely,
                                        >>> Regan (masanga)
                                        >>>
                                        >>>
                                        >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                        >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                                        >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                        >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >>>
                                        >>>
                                        >>> Dear masanga,
                                        >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                        >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                        >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                        >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                        >> would
                                        >>> your answer be?
                                        >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                        >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                        >> Can
                                        >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                        >> a
                                        >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                        >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                        >> Obama,
                                        >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                        >> earth
                                        >>> would qualify.
                                        >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                        >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                        >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                        >>>
                                        >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                        >>> certain
                                        >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                        >>> > wicked...."
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                        >>> of our
                                        >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                        >> anyone
                                        >>> else
                                        >>> > in this respect.
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                        >> would
                                        >>> win
                                        >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                        >>> needing any
                                        >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                        >>> "seemingly
                                        >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                        >>> seemed to
                                        >>> > have a clear run to me.
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                        >>> about
                                        >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                        >>> praises
                                        >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                        >>> asssisted
                                        >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                        >>> protected
                                        >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                        >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                        >>> in
                                        >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                        >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                        >> up
                                        >>> to
                                        >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                        >> is
                                        >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                        >>> system
                                        >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                        >> where
                                        >>> the
                                        >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                        >>> the
                                        >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                        >> "Emperor").
                                        >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                        >>> office
                                        >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                        >>> for
                                        >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                        >>> She is
                                        >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                        >>> for the
                                        >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                        >>> I see
                                        >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                        >>> as you
                                        >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                        >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                        >>> think she
                                        >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                        >>> independent
                                        >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                        >>> the
                                        >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                        >>> anonymous
                                        >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                        >>> sheer
                                        >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                        >>> the
                                        >>> > terms.
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                        >>> and
                                        >>> > sconld...."
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                        >>> scold
                                        >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                        >>> and
                                        >>> > objectively.
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                        >>> morbid
                                        >>> > intransigence...."
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                        >>> compromise" and
                                        >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                        >> us
                                        >>> to
                                        >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                        >>> what
                                        >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                        >>> she
                                        >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                        >> price.
                                        >>> But
                                        >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                        >> re-appearance
                                        >>> of
                                        >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                        >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                        >> arguments."
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                        >>> we? Or
                                        >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                        >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                        >>> she has
                                        >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                        >> which
                                        >>> you
                                        >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                        >>> can
                                        >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                        >>> an
                                        >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                        >>> even
                                        >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                        >>> It is
                                        >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                        >>> to pay
                                        >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                        >>> high for
                                        >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                        >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                        >> own
                                        >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                        >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                        >>> lie the
                                        >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                        >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > Regards,
                                        >>> > Regan
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                                        >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                        >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                        >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                        >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                        >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                        >> the
                                        >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                        >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                        >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                        >> be
                                        >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                        >> team
                                        >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                        >>> this
                                        >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                        >> clock
                                        >>> > 24/7!!
                                        >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                        >> She
                                        >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                        >>> consciousness
                                        >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                        >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                        >> rediculed
                                        >>> > and sconld.
                                        >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                        >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                        >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                        >>> or
                                        >>> > less!
                                        >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                        >> arguments.
                                        >>> >
                                        >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                        >>> > >
                                        >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                        >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                        >>> bitch
                                        >>> > at
                                        >>> > > times.
                                        >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                        >> me.
                                        >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                        >> slightest,
                                        >>> > the
                                        >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                        >>> count.
                                        >>> > And by
                                        >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                        >>> > >
                                        >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                        >>> FANNIE
                                        >>> > mae,
                                        >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                        >>> > would
                                        >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                        >> money
                                        >>> > into
                                        >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                        >>> idea,
                                        >>> > and
                                        >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                        >>> > things.
                                        >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                        >>> name
                                        >>> > for
                                        >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                        >>> > friends.
                                        >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                                        >>> > > Later...
                                        >>> > > Ted
                                        >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        >>> > > From: masanga@
                                        >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                        >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        >> [11-08-08]
                                        >>> > >
                                        >>> > >
                                        >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                        >>> > to get
                                        >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                        >>> > eventually
                                        >>> > > > got
                                        >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                        >> me
                                        >>> in
                                        >>> > my
                                        >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                        >> days
                                        >>> > and was
                                        >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                        >>> > forum
                                        >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                        >> election
                                        >>> > of
                                        >>> > > > Barack
                                        >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                        >>> > them. The
                                        >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                        >> of
                                        >>> > joy in
                                        >>> > > > the
                                        >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                        >> new
                                        >>> > age has
                                        >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                        >>> > > > world-historic
                                        >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                        >>> here.
                                        >>> > Why
                                        >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                        >>> > election
                                        >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                        >>> > politicians
                                        >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                        >> view
                                        >>> > that
                                        >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                        >>> > constitutes
                                        >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                        >>> > the
                                        >>> > > > whole
                                        >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                        >>> > > > Lambremont
                                        >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                        >> to
                                        >>> > remove
                                        >>> > > > the
                                        >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                        >>> anything
                                        >>> > > > myself
                                        >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                        >> either.
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                        >>> > found no
                                        >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                        >> myself
                                        >>> > from
                                        >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                        >>> > whenever I
                                        >>> > > > am
                                        >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                        >>> > that
                                        >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                        >> don't
                                        >>> > want to
                                        >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                        >> spectacle
                                        >>> > may be.
                                        >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                        >> the
                                        >>> > Zeta -
                                        >>> > > > on
                                        >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                        >> those
                                        >>> > among us
                                        >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                        >> it.
                                        >>> > So my
                                        >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                        >> warning
                                        >>> in
                                        >>> > > > fact -
                                        >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                        >> cult-building
                                        >>> > > > activity
                                        >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                        >>> their
                                        >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                        >> to
                                        >>> > do
                                        >>> > > > that
                                        >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                        >>> > natural
                                        >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                        >>> > now
                                        >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > > Warm regards,
                                        >>> > > > Regan
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        >>> > > > From: Ted
                                        >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                        >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        >>> [11-08-08]
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                        >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                        >>> > > > .
                                        >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        >>> > > > From: masanga@
                                        >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                        >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        >>> [11-08-08]
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                        >>> > words of
                                        >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                        >> is
                                        >>> > > >> reported
                                        >>> > > >> to have said:
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                        >>> > > >> fantasies
                                        >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> Regan
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                        >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                        >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                        >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                        >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                        >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> written
                                        >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                        >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                        >> he
                                        >>> > did on
                                        >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                        >> out
                                        >>> > in his
                                        >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                        >>> new
                                        >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                        >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                        >>> The
                                        >>> > Zetas
                                        >>> > > >> have
                                        >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                        >>> > would
                                        >>> > > >> like
                                        >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                        >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                        >> X,
                                        >>> > and if
                                        >>> > > >> so
                                        >>> > > >> was
                                        >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                        >>> > Friday the
                                        >>> > > >> CNN
                                        >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                        >>> > "pause"
                                        >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                        >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                        >>> declined
                                        >>> > to
                                        >>> > > >> comment.
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                        >>> consensus
                                        >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                        >> his
                                        >>> > heart
                                        >>> > > >> and
                                        >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                        >>> Obama
                                        >>> > looked
                                        >>> > > >> older
                                        >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                        >> the
                                        >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                        >> candidacy.
                                        >>> > Yet the
                                        >>> > > >> race
                                        >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                        >>> causing
                                        >>> > him
                                        >>> > > >> loss
                                        >>> > > >> of
                                        >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                        >>> > already
                                        >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                        >> world
                                        >>> > and
                                        >>> > > >> what
                                        >>> > > >> the
                                        >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                        >> also
                                        >>> > did not
                                        >>> > > >> learn
                                        >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                        >>> > company
                                        >>> > > >> crimes,
                                        >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                        >>> FBI
                                        >>> > and
                                        >>> > > >> the
                                        >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                        >>> > planetary
                                        >>> > > >> presence
                                        >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                        >>> had
                                        >>> > heard
                                        >>> > > >> the
                                        >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                        >>> relayed
                                        >>> > to
                                        >>> > > >> him
                                        >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                        >>> > confirmation.
                                        >>> > > >> Why would
                                        >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                        >> US
                                        >>> > > >> boundaries
                                        >>> > > >> are
                                        >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                        >>> cover-up,
                                        >>> > and
                                        >>> > > >> how
                                        >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                        >>> been
                                        >>> > > >> decided.
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                        >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                        >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                        >> options
                                        >>> > in the
                                        >>> > > >> future.
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                        >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                        >> beliefs?
                                        >>> He
                                        >>> > is
                                        >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                        >>> > Lincoln
                                        >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                        >>> > > >> figuratively?
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                        >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                        >>> > recognize
                                        >>> > > >> early
                                        >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                        >>> case,
                                        >>> > he
                                        >>> > > >> was
                                        >>> > > >> a
                                        >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                        >> life
                                        >>> > > >> circumstances
                                        >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                        >> human
                                        >>> > body
                                        >>> > > >> and
                                        >>> > > >> mind
                                        >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                        >>> > conclusion
                                        >>> > > >> that
                                        >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> The
                                        >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                                        >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> Election
                                        >>> > > >> Results
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> As predicted by
                                        >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                        >>> > state by
                                        >>> > > >> state,
                                        >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                        >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                        >>> > ended up
                                        >>> > > >> in
                                        >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                        >> to
                                        >>> > the
                                        >>> > > >> actual
                                        >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                        >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                        >>> > > >>
                                        >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                        >> is
                                        >>> > Not
                                        >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                                        >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                        >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > >
                                        >>> > > > ------------------------------------
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ------------------------------------
                                        >
                                        > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                      • nathaniel x vance
                                        Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
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                                          Dear Brother masanga,
                                          Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                          and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                          you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                          rebellion out in me.
                                          Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                          COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                          like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                          higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                          help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                          renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                          higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                          co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                          Please pardon me.

                                          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Nathaniel,
                                          >
                                          > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                          >
                                          > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                          about
                                          > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                          know of
                                          > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                          > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                          > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                          universe, I
                                          > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                          have
                                          > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                          >
                                          > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                          divine
                                          > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                          > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                          in my
                                          > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                          that he
                                          > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                          >
                                          > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                          presume to
                                          > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                          date
                                          > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                          mystery to
                                          > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                          > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                          divine
                                          > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                          >
                                          > Regan (masanga)
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: nathaniel x vance
                                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > masanga,
                                          > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                          > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                          > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                          > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                          > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                          >
                                          > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                          > >
                                          > > Nathaniel,
                                          > >
                                          > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                          > that my
                                          > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                          > great
                                          > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                          > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                          > knowledge,
                                          > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                          > desires,
                                          > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                          things
                                          > as
                                          > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                          will
                                          > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                          > said
                                          > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                          > And
                                          > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                          > children to
                                          > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                          you
                                          > for
                                          > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                          worked
                                          > long
                                          > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                          both
                                          > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                          > encouragement
                                          > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                          > mental age
                                          > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                          > >
                                          > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                          > break
                                          > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                          > don't
                                          > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                          me
                                          > in the
                                          > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                          > suggest
                                          > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                          up.
                                          > >
                                          > > Sincerely,
                                          > > Regan (masanga)
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                          > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > Dear masanga,
                                          > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                          answer
                                          > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                          > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                          our
                                          > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                          > would
                                          > > your answer be?
                                          > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                          before
                                          > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                          > Can
                                          > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                          see
                                          > a
                                          > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                          details
                                          > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                          > Obama,
                                          > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                          > earth
                                          > > would qualify.
                                          > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                          > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                          > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                          > >
                                          > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                          > > >
                                          > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                          a
                                          > > certain
                                          > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                          greedy
                                          > > > wicked...."
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                          > > of our
                                          > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                          > anyone
                                          > > else
                                          > > > in this respect.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                          > would
                                          > > win
                                          > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                          > > >
                                          > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                          > > needing any
                                          > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                          > > "seemingly
                                          > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                          > > seemed to
                                          > > > have a clear run to me.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                          > > about
                                          > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                          > > praises
                                          > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                          > > asssisted
                                          > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                          > > protected
                                          > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                          > > >
                                          > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                          > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                          really
                                          > > in
                                          > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                          dominance?
                                          > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                          > up
                                          > > to
                                          > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                          > is
                                          > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                          a
                                          > > system
                                          > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                          > where
                                          > > the
                                          > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                          become
                                          > > the
                                          > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                          > "Emperor").
                                          > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                          > > office
                                          > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                          credit
                                          > > for
                                          > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                          me.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                          cult!
                                          > > She is
                                          > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                          consciousness
                                          > > for the
                                          > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                          > > >
                                          > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                          > > I see
                                          > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                          be
                                          > > as you
                                          > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                          for
                                          > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                          > > think she
                                          > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                          > > independent
                                          > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                          asserting
                                          > > the
                                          > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                          > > anonymous
                                          > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                          on
                                          > > sheer
                                          > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                          of
                                          > > the
                                          > > > terms.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                          rediculed
                                          > > and
                                          > > > sconld...."
                                          > > >
                                          > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                          > > scold
                                          > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                          impartially
                                          > > and
                                          > > > objectively.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                          > > morbid
                                          > > > intransigence...."
                                          > > >
                                          > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                          > > compromise" and
                                          > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                          > us
                                          > > to
                                          > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                          wonder
                                          > > what
                                          > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                          > > she
                                          > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                          > price.
                                          > > But
                                          > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                          ours.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                          > re-appearance
                                          > > of
                                          > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                          > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                          > arguments."
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                          > > we? Or
                                          > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                          absurd
                                          > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                          which
                                          > > she has
                                          > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                          > which
                                          > > you
                                          > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                          she
                                          > > can
                                          > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                          into
                                          > > an
                                          > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                          > > even
                                          > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                          intelligence?
                                          > > It is
                                          > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                          willing
                                          > > to pay
                                          > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                          > > high for
                                          > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                          "full
                                          > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                          > own
                                          > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                          > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                          a
                                          > > lie the
                                          > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                          > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Regards,
                                          > > > Regan
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                          > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                          > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          [11-08-08]
                                          > > >
                                          > > >
                                          > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                          > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                          > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                          > the
                                          > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                          that
                                          > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                          against
                                          > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                          should
                                          > be
                                          > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                          > team
                                          > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                          > > this
                                          > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                          > clock
                                          > > > 24/7!!
                                          > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                          > She
                                          > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                          > > consciousness
                                          > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                          > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                          > rediculed
                                          > > > and sconld.
                                          > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                          morbid
                                          > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                          > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                          years
                                          > > or
                                          > > > less!
                                          > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                          > arguments.
                                          > > >
                                          > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                          > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                          > > bitch
                                          > > > at
                                          > > > > times.
                                          > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                          > me.
                                          > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                          > slightest,
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                          > > count.
                                          > > > And by
                                          > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                          > > FANNIE
                                          > > > mae,
                                          > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                          One
                                          > > > would
                                          > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                          > money
                                          > > > into
                                          > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                          > > idea,
                                          > > > and
                                          > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                          damn
                                          > > > things.
                                          > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                          > > name
                                          > > > for
                                          > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                          > > > friends.
                                          > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                          > > > > Later...
                                          > > > > Ted
                                          > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > > From: masanga@
                                          > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                          > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          > [11-08-08]
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > >
                                          > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                          > > > to get
                                          > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                          > > > eventually
                                          > > > > > got
                                          > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                          > me
                                          > > in
                                          > > > my
                                          > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                          > days
                                          > > > and was
                                          > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                          this
                                          > > > forum
                                          > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                          > election
                                          > > > of
                                          > > > > > Barack
                                          > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                          of
                                          > > > them. The
                                          > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                          > of
                                          > > > joy in
                                          > > > > > the
                                          > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                          > new
                                          > > > age has
                                          > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                          > > > > > world-historic
                                          > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                          > > here.
                                          > > > Why
                                          > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                          > > > election
                                          > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                          > > > politicians
                                          > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                          > view
                                          > > > that
                                          > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                          > > > constitutes
                                          > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                          in
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > > > whole
                                          > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                          Alfred
                                          > > > > > Lambremont
                                          > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                          > to
                                          > > > remove
                                          > > > > > the
                                          > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                          > > anything
                                          > > > > > myself
                                          > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                          > either.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                          > > > found no
                                          > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                          > myself
                                          > > > from
                                          > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                          > > > whenever I
                                          > > > > > am
                                          > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                          performed
                                          > > > that
                                          > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                          > don't
                                          > > > want to
                                          > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                          > spectacle
                                          > > > may be.
                                          > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                          > the
                                          > > > Zeta -
                                          > > > > > on
                                          > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                          > those
                                          > > > among us
                                          > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                          > it.
                                          > > > So my
                                          > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                          > warning
                                          > > in
                                          > > > > > fact -
                                          > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                          > cult-building
                                          > > > > > activity
                                          > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                          > > their
                                          > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                          freedom
                                          > to
                                          > > > do
                                          > > > > > that
                                          > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                          > > > natural
                                          > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                          > > > now
                                          > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > Warm regards,
                                          > > > > > Regan
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > > > From: Ted
                                          > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          > > [11-08-08]
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                          > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                          > > > > > .
                                          > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > > > From: masanga@
                                          > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                          > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          > > [11-08-08]
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                          > > > words of
                                          > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                          who
                                          > is
                                          > > > > >> reported
                                          > > > > >> to have said:
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                          > > > > >> fantasies
                                          > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> Regan
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                          > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                          > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                          ;
                                          > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                          ;
                                          > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                          ;
                                          > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                          > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          [11-08-08]
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                          > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> written
                                          > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                          > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                          > he
                                          > > > did on
                                          > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                          > out
                                          > > > in his
                                          > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                          the
                                          > > new
                                          > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                          > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                          shift?
                                          > > The
                                          > > > Zetas
                                          > > > > >> have
                                          > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                          I
                                          > > > would
                                          > > > > >> like
                                          > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                          > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                          > X,
                                          > > > and if
                                          > > > > >> so
                                          > > > > >> was
                                          > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                          > > > Friday the
                                          > > > > >> CNN
                                          > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                          > > > "pause"
                                          > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                          4th
                                          > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                          > > declined
                                          > > > to
                                          > > > > >> comment.
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                          > > consensus
                                          > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                          > his
                                          > > > heart
                                          > > > > >> and
                                          > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                          > > Obama
                                          > > > looked
                                          > > > > >> older
                                          > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                          > the
                                          > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                          > candidacy.
                                          > > > Yet the
                                          > > > > >> race
                                          > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                          > > causing
                                          > > > him
                                          > > > > >> loss
                                          > > > > >> of
                                          > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                          not
                                          > > > already
                                          > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                          > world
                                          > > > and
                                          > > > > >> what
                                          > > > > >> the
                                          > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                          > also
                                          > > > did not
                                          > > > > >> learn
                                          > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                          > > > company
                                          > > > > >> crimes,
                                          > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                          the
                                          > > FBI
                                          > > > and
                                          > > > > >> the
                                          > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                          > > > planetary
                                          > > > > >> presence
                                          > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                          He
                                          > > had
                                          > > > heard
                                          > > > > >> the
                                          > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                          > > relayed
                                          > > > to
                                          > > > > >> him
                                          > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                          > > > confirmation.
                                          > > > > >> Why would
                                          > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                          > US
                                          > > > > >> boundaries
                                          > > > > >> are
                                          > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                          > > cover-up,
                                          > > > and
                                          > > > > >> how
                                          > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                          > > been
                                          > > > > >> decided.
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                          > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                          > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                          > options
                                          > > > in the
                                          > > > > >> future.
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                          > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                          > beliefs?
                                          > > He
                                          > > > is
                                          > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                          is
                                          > > > Lincoln
                                          > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                          > > > > >> figuratively?
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                          > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                          > > > recognize
                                          > > > > >> early
                                          > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                          > > case,
                                          > > > he
                                          > > > > >> was
                                          > > > > >> a
                                          > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                          > life
                                          > > > > >> circumstances
                                          > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                          > human
                                          > > > body
                                          > > > > >> and
                                          > > > > >> mind
                                          > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                          > > > conclusion
                                          > > > > >> that
                                          > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> The
                                          > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                          > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> Election
                                          > > > > >> Results
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> As predicted by
                                          > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                          result,
                                          > > > state by
                                          > > > > >> state,
                                          > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                          > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                          McCain
                                          > > > ended up
                                          > > > > >> in
                                          > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                          > to
                                          > > > the
                                          > > > > >> actual
                                          > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                          > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                          > > > > >>
                                          > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                          GOD
                                          > is
                                          > > > Not
                                          > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                          > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                          > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > >
                                          > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                          >
                                        • nathaniel x vance
                                          Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
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                                            Okay Mr. Ted,
                                            I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                                            scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                                            two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                                            think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                                            wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                                            he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                                            Messiah/Mahdi?
                                            We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                                            Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                                            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                                            scratching his
                                            > head
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: masanga@...
                                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            [11-08-08]
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > > Nathaniel,
                                            > >
                                            > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                            > >
                                            > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                            about
                                            > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                            know
                                            > > of
                                            > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                            > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                            > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                            universe, I
                                            > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                                            I have
                                            > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                            > >
                                            > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                            divine
                                            > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                            > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                            in my
                                            > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                            that
                                            > > he
                                            > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                            > >
                                            > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                            presume to
                                            > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                                            to
                                            > > date
                                            > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                            mystery
                                            > > to
                                            > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                            > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                            divine
                                            > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                            > >
                                            > > Regan (masanga)
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                            > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > masanga,
                                            > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                                            about
                                            > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                            > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                                            If
                                            > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                            > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                            > >>
                                            > >> Nathaniel,
                                            > >>
                                            > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                            > > that my
                                            > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                            > > great
                                            > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                                            have
                                            > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                            > > knowledge,
                                            > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                            > > desires,
                                            > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                            things
                                            > > as
                                            > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                            will
                                            > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                            > > said
                                            > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                            > > And
                                            > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                            > > children to
                                            > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                            you
                                            > > for
                                            > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                            worked
                                            > > long
                                            > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                            both
                                            > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                            > > encouragement
                                            > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                            > > mental age
                                            > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                            > >>
                                            > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                            > > break
                                            > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                            > > don't
                                            > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                            me
                                            > > in the
                                            > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                            > > suggest
                                            > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                            up.
                                            > >>
                                            > >> Sincerely,
                                            > >> Regan (masanga)
                                            > >>
                                            > >>
                                            > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                            > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                            > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                            > >>
                                            > >>
                                            > >> Dear masanga,
                                            > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                            answer
                                            > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                            > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                            our
                                            > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                            > > would
                                            > >> your answer be?
                                            > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                            before
                                            > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                                            qualifications;
                                            > > Can
                                            > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                            see
                                            > > a
                                            > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                            details
                                            > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                            > > Obama,
                                            > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                            > > earth
                                            > >> would qualify.
                                            > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                            > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                            > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                            > >>
                                            > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                            a
                                            > >> certain
                                            > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                            greedy
                                            > >> > wicked...."
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                            > >> of our
                                            > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                            > > anyone
                                            > >> else
                                            > >> > in this respect.
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                            > > would
                                            > >> win
                                            > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                            > >> needing any
                                            > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                            > >> "seemingly
                                            > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                            > >> seemed to
                                            > >> > have a clear run to me.
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                            > >> about
                                            > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                                            and
                                            > >> praises
                                            > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                                            who
                                            > >> asssisted
                                            > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                            > >> protected
                                            > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                            > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                            really
                                            > >> in
                                            > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                            dominance?
                                            > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                                            facing
                                            > > up
                                            > >> to
                                            > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                                            which
                                            > > is
                                            > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                            a
                                            > >> system
                                            > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                            > > where
                                            > >> the
                                            > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                            become
                                            > >> the
                                            > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                            > > "Emperor").
                                            > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                            > >> office
                                            > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                            credit
                                            > >> for
                                            > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                            me.
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                            cult!
                                            > >> She is
                                            > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                            consciousness
                                            > >> for the
                                            > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                            righteous."
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                            > >> I see
                                            > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                            be
                                            > >> as you
                                            > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                            for
                                            > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                            > >> think she
                                            > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                            > >> independent
                                            > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                            asserting
                                            > >> the
                                            > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                            > >> anonymous
                                            > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                            on
                                            > >> sheer
                                            > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                            of
                                            > >> the
                                            > >> > terms.
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                            rediculed
                                            > >> and
                                            > >> > sconld...."
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                            > >> scold
                                            > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                            impartially
                                            > >> and
                                            > >> > objectively.
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                            > >> morbid
                                            > >> > intransigence...."
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                            > >> compromise" and
                                            > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                                            wants
                                            > > us
                                            > >> to
                                            > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                            wonder
                                            > >> what
                                            > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                                            think
                                            > >> she
                                            > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                            > > price.
                                            > >> But
                                            > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                            ours.
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                            > > re-appearance
                                            > >> of
                                            > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                            > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                            > > arguments."
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                            > >> we? Or
                                            > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                            absurd
                                            > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                            which
                                            > >> she has
                                            > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                            > > which
                                            > >> you
                                            > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                            she
                                            > >> can
                                            > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                            into
                                            > >> an
                                            > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                                            or
                                            > >> even
                                            > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                            intelligence?
                                            > >> It is
                                            > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                            willing
                                            > >> to pay
                                            > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                                            too
                                            > >> high for
                                            > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                            "full
                                            > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                            > > own
                                            > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                            > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                                            and a
                                            > >> lie the
                                            > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                            > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > Regards,
                                            > >> > Regan
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                            > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            [11-08-08]
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                            > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                            a
                                            > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                            > > the
                                            > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                            that
                                            > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                            against
                                            > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                            should
                                            > > be
                                            > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                            > > team
                                            > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                                            making
                                            > >> this
                                            > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                            > > clock
                                            > >> > 24/7!!
                                            > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                            cult!
                                            > > She
                                            > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                            > >> consciousness
                                            > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                            > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                            > > rediculed
                                            > >> > and sconld.
                                            > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                            morbid
                                            > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                            > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                            years
                                            > >> or
                                            > >> > less!
                                            > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                            > > arguments.
                                            > >> >
                                            > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                            > >> > >
                                            > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                            > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                            > >> bitch
                                            > >> > at
                                            > >> > > times.
                                            > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                            > > me.
                                            > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                            > > slightest,
                                            > >> > the
                                            > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                            > >> count.
                                            > >> > And by
                                            > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                            > >> > >
                                            > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                            > >> FANNIE
                                            > >> > mae,
                                            > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                            One
                                            > >> > would
                                            > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                            > > money
                                            > >> > into
                                            > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                            > >> idea,
                                            > >> > and
                                            > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                            damn
                                            > >> > things.
                                            > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                                            Nancy's
                                            > >> name
                                            > >> > for
                                            > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                            > >> > friends.
                                            > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                            > >> > > Later...
                                            > >> > > Ted
                                            > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > >> > > From: masanga@
                                            > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                            > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            > > [11-08-08]
                                            > >> > >
                                            > >> > >
                                            > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                            > >> > to get
                                            > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                            > >> > eventually
                                            > >> > > > got
                                            > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                                            for
                                            > > me
                                            > >> in
                                            > >> > my
                                            > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                            > > days
                                            > >> > and was
                                            > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                            this
                                            > >> > forum
                                            > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                            > > election
                                            > >> > of
                                            > >> > > > Barack
                                            > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                            of
                                            > >> > them. The
                                            > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                                            tears
                                            > > of
                                            > >> > joy in
                                            > >> > > > the
                                            > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                            > > new
                                            > >> > age has
                                            > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                            > >> > > > world-historic
                                            > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                            > >> here.
                                            > >> > Why
                                            > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                            > >> > election
                                            > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                            > >> > politicians
                                            > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                            > > view
                                            > >> > that
                                            > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                            > >> > constitutes
                                            > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                            in
                                            > >> > the
                                            > >> > > > whole
                                            > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                            Alfred
                                            > >> > > > Lambremont
                                            > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                                            commitment
                                            > > to
                                            > >> > remove
                                            > >> > > > the
                                            > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                            > >> anything
                                            > >> > > > myself
                                            > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                            > > either.
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                            > >> > found no
                                            > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                            > > myself
                                            > >> > from
                                            > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                            > >> > whenever I
                                            > >> > > > am
                                            > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                            performed
                                            > >> > that
                                            > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                            > > don't
                                            > >> > want to
                                            > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                            > > spectacle
                                            > >> > may be.
                                            > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                                            of
                                            > > the
                                            > >> > Zeta -
                                            > >> > > > on
                                            > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                            > > those
                                            > >> > among us
                                            > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                                            to
                                            > > it.
                                            > >> > So my
                                            > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                            > > warning
                                            > >> in
                                            > >> > > > fact -
                                            > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                            > > cult-building
                                            > >> > > > activity
                                            > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                                            dictate
                                            > >> their
                                            > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                            freedom
                                            > > to
                                            > >> > do
                                            > >> > > > that
                                            > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                            > >> > natural
                                            > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                            > >> > now
                                            > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > > Warm regards,
                                            > >> > > > Regan
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > >> > > > From: Ted
                                            > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                            > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            > >> [11-08-08]
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                            > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                            > >> > > > .
                                            > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > >> > > > From: masanga@
                                            > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                            > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            > >> [11-08-08]
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                            > >> > words of
                                            > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                            who
                                            > > is
                                            > >> > > >> reported
                                            > >> > > >> to have said:
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                            > >> > > >> fantasies
                                            > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> Regan
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                            > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                            > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                            > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            [11-08-08]
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                            > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> written
                                            > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                            > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                                            than
                                            > > he
                                            > >> > did on
                                            > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                                            found
                                            > > out
                                            > >> > in his
                                            > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                            the
                                            > >> new
                                            > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                            > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                            shift?
                                            > >> The
                                            > >> > Zetas
                                            > >> > > >> have
                                            > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                                            another] I
                                            > >> > would
                                            > >> > > >> like
                                            > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                            > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                                            Planet
                                            > > X,
                                            > >> > and if
                                            > >> > > >> so
                                            > >> > > >> was
                                            > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                                            conference
                                            > >> > Friday the
                                            > >> > > >> CNN
                                            > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                            > >> > "pause"
                                            > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                            4th
                                            > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                            > >> declined
                                            > >> > to
                                            > >> > > >> comment.
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                            > >> consensus
                                            > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                            > > his
                                            > >> > heart
                                            > >> > > >> and
                                            > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                            > >> Obama
                                            > >> > looked
                                            > >> > > >> older
                                            > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                            > > the
                                            > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                            > > candidacy.
                                            > >> > Yet the
                                            > >> > > >> race
                                            > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                            > >> causing
                                            > >> > him
                                            > >> > > >> loss
                                            > >> > > >> of
                                            > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                            not
                                            > >> > already
                                            > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                            > > world
                                            > >> > and
                                            > >> > > >> what
                                            > >> > > >> the
                                            > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                            > > also
                                            > >> > did not
                                            > >> > > >> learn
                                            > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                                            and
                                            > >> > company
                                            > >> > > >> crimes,
                                            > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                            the
                                            > >> FBI
                                            > >> > and
                                            > >> > > >> the
                                            > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                            > >> > planetary
                                            > >> > > >> presence
                                            > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                            He
                                            > >> had
                                            > >> > heard
                                            > >> > > >> the
                                            > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                            > >> relayed
                                            > >> > to
                                            > >> > > >> him
                                            > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                            > >> > confirmation.
                                            > >> > > >> Why would
                                            > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                                            the
                                            > > US
                                            > >> > > >> boundaries
                                            > >> > > >> are
                                            > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                            > >> cover-up,
                                            > >> > and
                                            > >> > > >> how
                                            > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                                            yet
                                            > >> been
                                            > >> > > >> decided.
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                            > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                            > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                            > > options
                                            > >> > in the
                                            > >> > > >> future.
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                            > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                            > > beliefs?
                                            > >> He
                                            > >> > is
                                            > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                            is
                                            > >> > Lincoln
                                            > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                                            speaking
                                            > >> > > >> figuratively?
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                                            many,
                                            > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                            > >> > recognize
                                            > >> > > >> early
                                            > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                                            Obama's
                                            > >> case,
                                            > >> > he
                                            > >> > > >> was
                                            > >> > > >> a
                                            > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                            > > life
                                            > >> > > >> circumstances
                                            > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                            > > human
                                            > >> > body
                                            > >> > > >> and
                                            > >> > > >> mind
                                            > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                            > >> > conclusion
                                            > >> > > >> that
                                            > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> The
                                            > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                            > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> Election
                                            > >> > > >> Results
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> As predicted by
                                            > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                            result,
                                            > >> > state by
                                            > >> > > >> state,
                                            > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                            > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                            McCain
                                            > >> > ended up
                                            > >> > > >> in
                                            > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                                            polls,
                                            > > to
                                            > >> > the
                                            > >> > > >> actual
                                            > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                            > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                            > >> > > >>
                                            > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                            GOD
                                            > > is
                                            > >> > Not
                                            > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                            > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                            > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > >
                                            > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > ------------------------------------
                                            > >
                                            > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            >
                                          • masanga@talktalk.net
                                            Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
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                                              Dear Nathaniel,

                                              Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                                              you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                              no harm was done.

                                              Be at peace.

                                              Regan (masanga)


                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                              From: nathaniel x vance
                                              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                                              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                              Dear Brother masanga,
                                              Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                              and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                              you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                              rebellion out in me.
                                              Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                              COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                              like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                              higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                              help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                              renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                              higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                              co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                              Please pardon me.

                                              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Nathaniel,
                                              >
                                              > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                              >
                                              > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                              about
                                              > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                              know of
                                              > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                              > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                              > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                              universe, I
                                              > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                              have
                                              > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                              >
                                              > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                              divine
                                              > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                              > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                              in my
                                              > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                              that he
                                              > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                              >
                                              > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                              presume to
                                              > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                              date
                                              > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                              mystery to
                                              > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                              > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                              divine
                                              > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                              >
                                              > Regan (masanga)
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > From: nathaniel x vance
                                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > masanga,
                                              > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                              > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                              > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                              > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                              > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                              >
                                              > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > > Nathaniel,
                                              > >
                                              > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                              > that my
                                              > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                              > great
                                              > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                              > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                              > knowledge,
                                              > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                              > desires,
                                              > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                              things
                                              > as
                                              > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                              will
                                              > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                              > said
                                              > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                              > And
                                              > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                              > children to
                                              > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                              you
                                              > for
                                              > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                              worked
                                              > long
                                              > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                              both
                                              > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                              > encouragement
                                              > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                              > mental age
                                              > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                              > >
                                              > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                              > break
                                              > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                              > don't
                                              > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                              me
                                              > in the
                                              > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                              > suggest
                                              > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                              up.
                                              > >
                                              > > Sincerely,
                                              > > Regan (masanga)
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                              > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > Dear masanga,
                                              > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                              answer
                                              > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                              > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                              our
                                              > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                              > would
                                              > > your answer be?
                                              > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                              before
                                              > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                              > Can
                                              > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                              see
                                              > a
                                              > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                              details
                                              > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                              > Obama,
                                              > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                              > earth
                                              > > would qualify.
                                              > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                              > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                              > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                              > > >
                                              > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                              a
                                              > > certain
                                              > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                              greedy
                                              > > > wicked...."
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                              > > of our
                                              > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                              > anyone
                                              > > else
                                              > > > in this respect.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                              > would
                                              > > win
                                              > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                              > > >
                                              > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                              > > needing any
                                              > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                              > > "seemingly
                                              > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                              > > seemed to
                                              > > > have a clear run to me.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                              > > about
                                              > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                              > > praises
                                              > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                              > > asssisted
                                              > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                              > > protected
                                              > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                              > > >
                                              > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                              > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                              really
                                              > > in
                                              > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                              dominance?
                                              > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                              > up
                                              > > to
                                              > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                              > is
                                              > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                              a
                                              > > system
                                              > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                              > where
                                              > > the
                                              > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                              become
                                              > > the
                                              > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                              > "Emperor").
                                              > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                              > > office
                                              > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                              credit
                                              > > for
                                              > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                              me.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                              cult!
                                              > > She is
                                              > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                              consciousness
                                              > > for the
                                              > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                              > > >
                                              > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                              > > I see
                                              > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                              be
                                              > > as you
                                              > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                              for
                                              > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                              > > think she
                                              > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                              > > independent
                                              > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                              asserting
                                              > > the
                                              > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                              > > anonymous
                                              > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                              on
                                              > > sheer
                                              > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                              of
                                              > > the
                                              > > > terms.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                              rediculed
                                              > > and
                                              > > > sconld...."
                                              > > >
                                              > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                              > > scold
                                              > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                              impartially
                                              > > and
                                              > > > objectively.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                              > > morbid
                                              > > > intransigence...."
                                              > > >
                                              > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                              > > compromise" and
                                              > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                              > us
                                              > > to
                                              > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                              wonder
                                              > > what
                                              > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                              > > she
                                              > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                              > price.
                                              > > But
                                              > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                              ours.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                              > re-appearance
                                              > > of
                                              > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                              > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                              > arguments."
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                              > > we? Or
                                              > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                              absurd
                                              > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                              which
                                              > > she has
                                              > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                              > which
                                              > > you
                                              > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                              she
                                              > > can
                                              > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                              into
                                              > > an
                                              > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                              > > even
                                              > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                              intelligence?
                                              > > It is
                                              > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                              willing
                                              > > to pay
                                              > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                              > > high for
                                              > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                              "full
                                              > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                              > own
                                              > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                              > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                              a
                                              > > lie the
                                              > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                              > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Regards,
                                              > > > Regan
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                              > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                              > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              [11-08-08]
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                              > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                              > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                              > the
                                              > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                              that
                                              > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                              against
                                              > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                              should
                                              > be
                                              > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                              > team
                                              > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                              > > this
                                              > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                              > clock
                                              > > > 24/7!!
                                              > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                              > She
                                              > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                              > > consciousness
                                              > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                              > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                              > rediculed
                                              > > > and sconld.
                                              > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                              morbid
                                              > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                              > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                              years
                                              > > or
                                              > > > less!
                                              > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                              > arguments.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                              > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                              > > bitch
                                              > > > at
                                              > > > > times.
                                              > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                              > me.
                                              > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                              > slightest,
                                              > > > the
                                              > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                              > > count.
                                              > > > And by
                                              > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                              > > FANNIE
                                              > > > mae,
                                              > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                              One
                                              > > > would
                                              > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                              > money
                                              > > > into
                                              > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                              > > idea,
                                              > > > and
                                              > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                              damn
                                              > > > things.
                                              > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                              > > name
                                              > > > for
                                              > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                              > > > friends.
                                              > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                              > > > > Later...
                                              > > > > Ted
                                              > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > > > > From: masanga@
                                              > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                              > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              > [11-08-08]
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                              > > > to get
                                              > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                              > > > eventually
                                              > > > > > got
                                              > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                              > me
                                              > > in
                                              > > > my
                                              > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                              > days
                                              > > > and was
                                              > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                              this
                                              > > > forum
                                              > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                              > election
                                              > > > of
                                              > > > > > Barack
                                              > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                              of
                                              > > > them. The
                                              > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                              > of
                                              > > > joy in
                                              > > > > > the
                                              > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                              > new
                                              > > > age has
                                              > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                              > > > > > world-historic
                                              > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                              > > here.
                                              > > > Why
                                              > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                              > > > election
                                              > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                              > > > politicians
                                              > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                              > view
                                              > > > that
                                              > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                              > > > constitutes
                                              > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                              in
                                              > > > the
                                              > > > > > whole
                                              > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                              Alfred
                                              > > > > > Lambremont
                                              > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                              > to
                                              > > > remove
                                              > > > > > the
                                              > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                              > > anything
                                              > > > > > myself
                                              > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                              > either.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                              > > > found no
                                              > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                              > myself
                                              > > > from
                                              > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                              > > > whenever I
                                              > > > > > am
                                              > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                              performed
                                              > > > that
                                              > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                              > don't
                                              > > > want to
                                              > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                              > spectacle
                                              > > > may be.
                                              > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                              > the
                                              > > > Zeta -
                                              > > > > > on
                                              > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                              > those
                                              > > > among us
                                              > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                              > it.
                                              > > > So my
                                              > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                              > warning
                                              > > in
                                              > > > > > fact -
                                              > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                              > cult-building
                                              > > > > > activity
                                              > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                              > > their
                                              > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                              freedom
                                              > to
                                              > > > do
                                              > > > > > that
                                              > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                              > > > natural
                                              > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                              > > > now
                                              > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > Warm regards,
                                              > > > > > Regan
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > > > > > From: Ted
                                              > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              > > [11-08-08]
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                              > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                              > > > > > .
                                              > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > > > > > From: masanga@
                                              > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                              > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              > > [11-08-08]
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                              > > > words of
                                              > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                              who
                                              > is
                                              > > > > >> reported
                                              > > > > >> to have said:
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                              > > > > >> fantasies
                                              > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> Regan
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                              > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                              > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                              ;
                                              > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                              ;
                                              > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                              ;
                                              > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                              > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              [11-08-08]
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                              > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> written
                                              > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                              > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                              > he
                                              > > > did on
                                              > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                              > out
                                              > > > in his
                                              > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                              the
                                              > > new
                                              > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                              > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                              shift?
                                              > > The
                                              > > > Zetas
                                              > > > > >> have
                                              > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                              I
                                              > > > would
                                              > > > > >> like
                                              > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                              > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                              > X,
                                              > > > and if
                                              > > > > >> so
                                              > > > > >> was
                                              > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                              > > > Friday the
                                              > > > > >> CNN
                                              > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                              > > > "pause"
                                              > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                              4th
                                              > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                              > > declined
                                              > > > to
                                              > > > > >> comment.
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                              > > consensus
                                              > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                              > his
                                              > > > heart
                                              > > > > >> and
                                              > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                              > > Obama
                                              > > > looked
                                              > > > > >> older
                                              > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                              > the
                                              > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                              > candidacy.
                                              > > > Yet the
                                              > > > > >> race
                                              > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                              > > causing
                                              > > > him
                                              > > > > >> loss
                                              > > > > >> of
                                              > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                              not
                                              > > > already
                                              > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                              > world
                                              > > > and
                                              > > > > >> what
                                              > > > > >> the
                                              > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                              > also
                                              > > > did not
                                              > > > > >> learn
                                              > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                              > > > company
                                              > > > > >> crimes,
                                              > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                              the
                                              > > FBI
                                              > > > and
                                              > > > > >> the
                                              > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                              > > > planetary
                                              > > > > >> presence
                                              > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                              He
                                              > > had
                                              > > > heard
                                              > > > > >> the
                                              > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                              > > relayed
                                              > > > to
                                              > > > > >> him
                                              > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                              > > > confirmation.
                                              > > > > >> Why would
                                              > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                              > US
                                              > > > > >> boundaries
                                              > > > > >> are
                                              > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                              > > cover-up,
                                              > > > and
                                              > > > > >> how
                                              > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                              > > been
                                              > > > > >> decided.
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                              > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                              > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                              > options
                                              > > > in the
                                              > > > > >> future.
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                              > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                              > beliefs?
                                              > > He
                                              > > > is
                                              > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                              is
                                              > > > Lincoln
                                              > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                              > > > > >> figuratively?
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                              > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                              > > > recognize
                                              > > > > >> early
                                              > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                              > > case,
                                              > > > he
                                              > > > > >> was
                                              > > > > >> a
                                              > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                              > life
                                              > > > > >> circumstances
                                              > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                              > human
                                              > > > body
                                              > > > > >> and
                                              > > > > >> mind
                                              > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                              > > > conclusion
                                              > > > > >> that
                                              > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> The
                                              > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                              > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> Election
                                              > > > > >> Results
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> As predicted by
                                              > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                              result,
                                              > > > state by
                                              > > > > >> state,
                                              > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                              > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                              McCain
                                              > > > ended up
                                              > > > > >> in
                                              > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                              > to
                                              > > > the
                                              > > > > >> actual
                                              > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                              > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                              > > > > >>
                                              > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                              GOD
                                              > is
                                              > > > Not
                                              > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                              > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                              > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                              > > > > >
                                              > > > > >
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