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  • nathaniel x vance
    ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live written November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat. Questioner: Obama looked 5 years older in his first press
    Message 1 of 22 , Nov 11, 2008
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      ZetaTalk:
      GodlikeProduction Live

      written
      November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

      Questioner: Obama
      looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
      election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
      intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new president, what does it mean for the
      cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas have
      hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would like to ask the Zetas if on
      Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if so was
      that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the CNN
      reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
      (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
      scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
      comment.

      Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
      of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart and
      mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked older
      and more tired during his first official press conference as the
      President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the race
      was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him loss of
      sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
      suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and what the
      various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not learn
      any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company crimes,
      as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and the
      Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary presence
      is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard the
      rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to him
      information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation. Why would
      the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US boundaries are
      the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and how
      Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been decided.

      Questioner: What does the future after the pole
      shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?

      Zeta response: This
      family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
      future.

      Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
      child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
      known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
      reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking figuratively?

      Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
      including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize early
      that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he was a
      walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life circumstances
      for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and mind
      sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion that
      they have a new soul within.

      <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>

      The
      ZetaTalk Newsletter

      Issue 104,
      Sunday November 9, 2008

      Election
      Results

      As predicted by
      the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by state,
      was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
      which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up in
      Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the actual
      result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008. Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>

      <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>



      We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not MOCKED!
      salaam  akwaaba  jambo  Ashogee
      http://zetaheaven.org


      [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
    • masanga@talktalk.net
      Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported to have said:
      Message 2 of 22 , Nov 12, 2008
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        Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
        the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported
        to have said:

        "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain fantasies
        into the pit of destruction."

        Regan


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: nathaniel x vance
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        CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
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        earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
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        Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
        Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]




        ZetaTalk:
        GodlikeProduction Live

        written
        November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

        Questioner: Obama
        looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
        election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
        intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
        president, what does it mean for the
        cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
        have
        hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would like
        to ask the Zetas if on
        Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if so
        was
        that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the CNN
        reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
        (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
        scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
        comment.

        Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
        of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart and
        mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
        older
        and more tired during his first official press conference as the
        President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
        race
        was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him loss
        of
        sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
        suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and what
        the
        various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
        learn
        any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
        crimes,
        as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and the
        Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
        presence
        is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard the
        rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to him
        information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
        Why would
        the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US boundaries
        are
        the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and how
        Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been decided.

        Questioner: What does the future after the pole
        shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?

        Zeta response: This
        family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
        future.

        Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
        child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
        known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
        reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking figuratively?

        Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
        including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize early
        that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he was a
        walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
        circumstances
        for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and
        mind
        sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion that
        they have a new soul within.

        <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>

        The
        ZetaTalk Newsletter

        Issue 104,
        Sunday November 9, 2008

        Election
        Results

        As predicted by
        the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
        state,
        was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
        which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up in
        Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the actual
        result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
        Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>

        <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>

        We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
        MOCKED!
        salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
        http://zetaheaven.org
      • Ted
        So you re back with a vengeance Well I meant a quote. . ... From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008
        Message 3 of 22 , Nov 12, 2008
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          So you're back with a vengeance
          Well I meant a quote.
          .
          ----- Original Message -----
          From: <masanga@...>
          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


          > Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
          > the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported
          > to have said:
          >
          > "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain fantasies
          > into the pit of destruction."
          >
          > Regan
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: nathaniel x vance
          > To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
          > UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
          > CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
          > ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
          > earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
          > iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
          > tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
          > ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
          > earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
          > etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
          > exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
          > the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ; ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ZetaTalk:
          > GodlikeProduction Live
          >
          > written
          > November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
          >
          > Questioner: Obama
          > looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
          > election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
          > intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
          > president, what does it mean for the
          > cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
          > have
          > hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would like
          > to ask the Zetas if on
          > Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if so
          > was
          > that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
          > CNN
          > reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
          > (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
          > scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
          > comment.
          >
          > Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
          > of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart and
          > mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
          > older
          > and more tired during his first official press conference as the
          > President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
          > race
          > was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
          > loss
          > of
          > sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
          > suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and what
          > the
          > various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
          > learn
          > any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
          > crimes,
          > as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
          > the
          > Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
          > presence
          > is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
          > the
          > rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to him
          > information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
          > Why would
          > the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
          > boundaries
          > are
          > the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and how
          > Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
          > decided.
          >
          > Questioner: What does the future after the pole
          > shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
          >
          > Zeta response: This
          > family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
          > future.
          >
          > Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
          > child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
          > known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
          > reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
          > figuratively?
          >
          > Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
          > including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
          > early
          > that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he was
          > a
          > walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
          > circumstances
          > for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and
          > mind
          > sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
          > that
          > they have a new soul within.
          >
          > <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
          >
          > The
          > ZetaTalk Newsletter
          >
          > Issue 104,
          > Sunday November 9, 2008
          >
          > Election
          > Results
          >
          > As predicted by
          > the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
          > state,
          > was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
          > which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up in
          > Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
          > actual
          > result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
          > Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
          >
          > <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
          >
          > We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
          > MOCKED!
          > salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
          > http://zetaheaven.org
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
        • masanga@talktalk.net
          Hi Ted, Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually got back
          Message 4 of 22 , Nov 13, 2008
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            Hi Ted,

            Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
            reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually got
            back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
            In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
            struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
            although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of Barack
            Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
            masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in the
            fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
            dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this world-historic
            event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
            not? I found this puzzling.

            Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
            from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
            themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
            presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
            this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the whole
            of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred Lambremont
            Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove the
            Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything myself
            so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.

            The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
            difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
            turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I am
            confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
            service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
            get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
            Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta - on
            the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
            who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
            response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in fact -
            to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building activity
            and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
            personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do that
            if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
            consequences of doing it.

            I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
            made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.

            Warm regards,
            Regan


            ----- Original Message -----
            From: Ted
            To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            So you're back with a vengeance
            Well I meant a quote.
            .
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: <masanga@...>
            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


            > Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
            > the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is reported
            > to have said:
            >
            > "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain fantasies
            > into the pit of destruction."
            >
            > Regan
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: nathaniel x vance
            > To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
            > UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
            > CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
            > ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
            > earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
            > iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
            > tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
            > ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
            > earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
            > etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
            > exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
            > the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ; ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > ZetaTalk:
            > GodlikeProduction Live
            >
            > written
            > November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
            >
            > Questioner: Obama
            > looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
            > election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
            > intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
            > president, what does it mean for the
            > cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
            > have
            > hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would like
            > to ask the Zetas if on
            > Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if so
            > was
            > that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
            > CNN
            > reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
            > (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
            > scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
            > comment.
            >
            > Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
            > of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart and
            > mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
            > older
            > and more tired during his first official press conference as the
            > President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
            > race
            > was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
            > loss
            > of
            > sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
            > suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and what
            > the
            > various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
            > learn
            > any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
            > crimes,
            > as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
            > the
            > Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
            > presence
            > is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
            > the
            > rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to him
            > information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
            > Why would
            > the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
            > boundaries
            > are
            > the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and how
            > Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
            > decided.
            >
            > Questioner: What does the future after the pole
            > shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
            >
            > Zeta response: This
            > family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
            > future.
            >
            > Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
            > child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
            > known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
            > reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
            > figuratively?
            >
            > Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
            > including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
            > early
            > that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he was
            > a
            > walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
            > circumstances
            > for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body and
            > mind
            > sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
            > that
            > they have a new soul within.
            >
            > <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
            >
            > The
            > ZetaTalk Newsletter
            >
            > Issue 104,
            > Sunday November 9, 2008
            >
            > Election
            > Results
            >
            > As predicted by
            > the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
            > state,
            > was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
            > which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up in
            > Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
            > actual
            > result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
            > Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
            >
            > <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
            >
            > We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
            > MOCKED!
            > salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
            > http://zetaheaven.org
          • Ted
            Nice to hear a sane voice of reason. I m glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at times. Obama, well we ll see. Why anyone would
            Message 5 of 22 , Nov 13, 2008
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              Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
              I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
              times.
              Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
              Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
              economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
              the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

              Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
              freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
              think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
              the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
              his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
              Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
              President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
              Good to see you're back.
              Later...
              Ted
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: <masanga@...>
              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


              > Hi Ted,
              >
              > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
              > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
              > got
              > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
              > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
              > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
              > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
              > Barack
              > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
              > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
              > the
              > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
              > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
              > world-historic
              > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
              > not? I found this puzzling.
              >
              > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
              > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
              > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
              > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
              > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
              > whole
              > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
              > Lambremont
              > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
              > the
              > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
              > myself
              > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
              >
              > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
              > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
              > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
              > am
              > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
              > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
              > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
              > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
              > on
              > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
              > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
              > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
              > fact -
              > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
              > activity
              > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
              > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
              > that
              > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
              > consequences of doing it.
              >
              > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
              > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
              >
              > Warm regards,
              > Regan
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: Ted
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              > So you're back with a vengeance
              > Well I meant a quote.
              > .
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: <masanga@...>
              > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >
              >
              >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
              >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
              >> reported
              >> to have said:
              >>
              >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
              >> fantasies
              >> into the pit of destruction."
              >>
              >> Regan
              >>
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: nathaniel x vance
              >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
              >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
              >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
              >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >>
              >> ZetaTalk:
              >> GodlikeProduction Live
              >>
              >> written
              >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
              >>
              >> Questioner: Obama
              >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
              >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
              >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
              >> president, what does it mean for the
              >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
              >> have
              >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
              >> like
              >> to ask the Zetas if on
              >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
              >> so
              >> was
              >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
              >> CNN
              >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
              >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
              >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
              >> comment.
              >>
              >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
              >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
              >> and
              >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
              >> older
              >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
              >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
              >> race
              >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
              >> loss
              >> of
              >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
              >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
              >> what
              >> the
              >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
              >> learn
              >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
              >> crimes,
              >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
              >> the
              >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
              >> presence
              >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
              >> the
              >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
              >> him
              >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
              >> Why would
              >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
              >> boundaries
              >> are
              >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
              >> how
              >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
              >> decided.
              >>
              >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
              >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
              >>
              >> Zeta response: This
              >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
              >> future.
              >>
              >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
              >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
              >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
              >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
              >> figuratively?
              >>
              >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
              >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
              >> early
              >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
              >> was
              >> a
              >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
              >> circumstances
              >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
              >> and
              >> mind
              >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
              >> that
              >> they have a new soul within.
              >>
              >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
              >>
              >> The
              >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
              >>
              >> Issue 104,
              >> Sunday November 9, 2008
              >>
              >> Election
              >> Results
              >>
              >> As predicted by
              >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
              >> state,
              >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
              >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
              >> in
              >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
              >> actual
              >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
              >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
              >>
              >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
              >>
              >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
              >> MOCKED!
              >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
              >> http://zetaheaven.org
              >
              >
              > ------------------------------------
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups Links
              >
              >
              >
            • nathaniel x vance
              Dear Regan, Ted, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
              Message 6 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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                Dear Regan, Ted,
                President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
                victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                24/7!!
                I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                and sconld.
                We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
                less!
                Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                >
                > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                at
                > times.
                > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                the
                > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                And by
                > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                >
                > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                mae,
                > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                would
                > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                into
                > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                and
                > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                things.
                > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                for
                > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                friends.
                > Good to see you're back.
                > Later...
                > Ted
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: masanga@...
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                >
                >
                > > Hi Ted,
                > >
                > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                to get
                > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                eventually
                > > got
                > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                my
                > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                and was
                > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                forum
                > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                of
                > > Barack
                > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                them. The
                > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                joy in
                > > the
                > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                age has
                > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                > > world-historic
                > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                Why
                > > not? I found this puzzling.
                > >
                > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                election
                > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                politicians
                > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                that
                > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                constitutes
                > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                the
                > > whole
                > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                > > Lambremont
                > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                remove
                > > the
                > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                > > myself
                > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                > >
                > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                found no
                > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                from
                > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                whenever I
                > > am
                > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                that
                > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                want to
                > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                may be.
                > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                Zeta -
                > > on
                > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                among us
                > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                So my
                > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                > > fact -
                > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                > > activity
                > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                do
                > > that
                > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                natural
                > > consequences of doing it.
                > >
                > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                now
                > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                > >
                > > Warm regards,
                > > Regan
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: Ted
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > > So you're back with a vengeance
                > > Well I meant a quote.
                > > .
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: masanga@...
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >
                > >
                > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                words of
                > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                > >> reported
                > >> to have said:
                > >>
                > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                > >> fantasies
                > >> into the pit of destruction."
                > >>
                > >> Regan
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ----- Original Message -----
                > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >>
                > >> ZetaTalk:
                > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                > >>
                > >> written
                > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Obama
                > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                did on
                > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                in his
                > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                > >> president, what does it mean for the
                > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                Zetas
                > >> have
                > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                would
                > >> like
                > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                and if
                > >> so
                > >> was
                > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                Friday the
                > >> CNN
                > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                "pause"
                > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                to
                > >> comment.
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                heart
                > >> and
                > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                looked
                > >> older
                > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                Yet the
                > >> race
                > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                him
                > >> loss
                > >> of
                > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                already
                > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                and
                > >> what
                > >> the
                > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                did not
                > >> learn
                > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                company
                > >> crimes,
                > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                and
                > >> the
                > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                planetary
                > >> presence
                > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                heard
                > >> the
                > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                to
                > >> him
                > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                confirmation.
                > >> Why would
                > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                > >> boundaries
                > >> are
                > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                and
                > >> how
                > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                > >> decided.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: This
                > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                in the
                > >> future.
                > >>
                > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                is
                > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                Lincoln
                > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                > >> figuratively?
                > >>
                > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                recognize
                > >> early
                > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                he
                > >> was
                > >> a
                > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                > >> circumstances
                > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                body
                > >> and
                > >> mind
                > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                conclusion
                > >> that
                > >> they have a new soul within.
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                > >>
                > >> The
                > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                > >>
                > >> Issue 104,
                > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                > >>
                > >> Election
                > >> Results
                > >>
                > >> As predicted by
                > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                state by
                > >> state,
                > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                ended up
                > >> in
                > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                the
                > >> actual
                > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                > >>
                > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                > >>
                > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                Not
                > >> MOCKED!
                > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
                > >
                > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
              • Ted
                Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama s staff, like spiritual advisors. Heck it s worth a try. Then
                Message 7 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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                  Man , are you lost. There is still time , maybe you and Nancy can apply for a position on Obama's staff, like spiritual advisors.
                  Heck it's worth a try.
                  Then just maybe you'll keep your dribble off my screen.
                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: nathaniel x vance
                  To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:47 AM
                  Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                  Dear Regan, Ted,
                  President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                  certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                  greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                  barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                  him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                  afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                  and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
                  victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                  24/7!!
                  I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                  is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                  for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                  righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                  and sconld.
                  We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                  intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                  re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
                  less!
                  Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                  > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                  at
                  > times.
                  > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                  > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                  the
                  > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                  And by
                  > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                  >
                  > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                  mae,
                  > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                  would
                  > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                  into
                  > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                  and
                  > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                  things.
                  > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                  for
                  > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                  friends.
                  > Good to see you're back.
                  > Later...
                  > Ted
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: masanga@...
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  >
                  >
                  > > Hi Ted,
                  > >
                  > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                  to get
                  > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                  eventually
                  > > got
                  > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                  my
                  > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                  and was
                  > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                  forum
                  > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                  of
                  > > Barack
                  > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                  them. The
                  > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                  joy in
                  > > the
                  > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                  age has
                  > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                  > > world-historic
                  > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                  Why
                  > > not? I found this puzzling.
                  > >
                  > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                  election
                  > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                  politicians
                  > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                  that
                  > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                  constitutes
                  > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                  the
                  > > whole
                  > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                  > > Lambremont
                  > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                  remove
                  > > the
                  > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                  > > myself
                  > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                  > >
                  > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                  found no
                  > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                  from
                  > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                  whenever I
                  > > am
                  > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                  that
                  > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                  want to
                  > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                  may be.
                  > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                  Zeta -
                  > > on
                  > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                  among us
                  > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                  So my
                  > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                  > > fact -
                  > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                  > > activity
                  > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                  > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                  do
                  > > that
                  > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                  natural
                  > > consequences of doing it.
                  > >
                  > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                  now
                  > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                  > >
                  > > Warm regards,
                  > > Regan
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: Ted
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                  > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > So you're back with a vengeance
                  > > Well I meant a quote.
                  > > .
                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                  > > From: masanga@...
                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                  > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                  words of
                  > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                  > >> reported
                  > >> to have said:
                  > >>
                  > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                  > >> fantasies
                  > >> into the pit of destruction."
                  > >>
                  > >> Regan
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >> ----- Original Message -----
                  > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                  > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                  TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                  ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                  earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                  > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                  > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                  > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >>
                  > >> ZetaTalk:
                  > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                  > >>
                  > >> written
                  > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                  > >>
                  > >> Questioner: Obama
                  > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                  did on
                  > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                  in his
                  > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                  > >> president, what does it mean for the
                  > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                  Zetas
                  > >> have
                  > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                  would
                  > >> like
                  > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                  > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                  and if
                  > >> so
                  > >> was
                  > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                  Friday the
                  > >> CNN
                  > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                  "pause"
                  > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                  > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                  to
                  > >> comment.
                  > >>
                  > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                  > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                  heart
                  > >> and
                  > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                  looked
                  > >> older
                  > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                  > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                  Yet the
                  > >> race
                  > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                  him
                  > >> loss
                  > >> of
                  > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                  already
                  > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                  and
                  > >> what
                  > >> the
                  > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                  did not
                  > >> learn
                  > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                  company
                  > >> crimes,
                  > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                  and
                  > >> the
                  > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                  planetary
                  > >> presence
                  > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                  heard
                  > >> the
                  > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                  to
                  > >> him
                  > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                  confirmation.
                  > >> Why would
                  > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                  > >> boundaries
                  > >> are
                  > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                  and
                  > >> how
                  > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                  > >> decided.
                  > >>
                  > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                  > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                  > >>
                  > >> Zeta response: This
                  > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                  in the
                  > >> future.
                  > >>
                  > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                  > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                  is
                  > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                  Lincoln
                  > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                  > >> figuratively?
                  > >>
                  > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                  > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                  recognize
                  > >> early
                  > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                  he
                  > >> was
                  > >> a
                  > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                  > >> circumstances
                  > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                  body
                  > >> and
                  > >> mind
                  > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                  conclusion
                  > >> that
                  > >> they have a new soul within.
                  > >>
                  > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                  > >>
                  > >> The
                  > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                  > >>
                  > >> Issue 104,
                  > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                  > >>
                  > >> Election
                  > >> Results
                  > >>
                  > >> As predicted by
                  > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                  state by
                  > >> state,
                  > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                  > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                  ended up
                  > >> in
                  > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                  the
                  > >> actual
                  > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                  > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                  > >>
                  > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                  > >>
                  > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                  Not
                  > >> MOCKED!
                  > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                  > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > ------------------------------------
                  > >
                  > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  >





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                • masanga@talktalk.net
                  It s good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama s new job either, especially under the present
                  Message 8 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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                    It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
                    you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
                    under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
                    know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
                    thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as the
                    media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                    "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
                    nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able to
                    act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
                    them to be.

                    But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
                    have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
                    possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man, I
                    expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
                    waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                    powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
                    course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                    promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                    rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
                    they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                    "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
                    can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
                    hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.

                    In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of the
                    fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
                    but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
                    in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                    witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of free-market
                    capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
                    species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
                    mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.

                    He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
                    "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
                    "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                    illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                    questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
                    humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture, for
                    now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that humanity
                    can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama and
                    his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
                    by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.

                    Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
                    shift too.

                    Cheers Ted,
                    Regan


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Ted
                    To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                    Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                    I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
                    times.
                    Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                    Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
                    economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And by
                    the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.

                    Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
                    freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
                    think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
                    the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
                    his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn things.
                    Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
                    President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
                    Good to see you're back.
                    Later...
                    Ted
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: <masanga@...>
                    To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                    > Hi Ted,
                    >
                    > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to get
                    > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
                    > got
                    > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
                    > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and was
                    > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
                    > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
                    > Barack
                    > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them. The
                    > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
                    > the
                    > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age has
                    > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                    > world-historic
                    > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
                    > not? I found this puzzling.
                    >
                    > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
                    > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
                    > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
                    > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
                    > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
                    > whole
                    > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                    > Lambremont
                    > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
                    > the
                    > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                    > myself
                    > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                    >
                    > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found no
                    > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
                    > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
                    > am
                    > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
                    > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want to
                    > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may be.
                    > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
                    > on
                    > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among us
                    > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
                    > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                    > fact -
                    > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                    > activity
                    > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                    > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
                    > that
                    > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
                    > consequences of doing it.
                    >
                    > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
                    > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                    >
                    > Warm regards,
                    > Regan
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Ted
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    > So you're back with a vengeance
                    > Well I meant a quote.
                    > .
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: <masanga@...>
                    > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >
                    >
                    >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
                    >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                    >> reported
                    >> to have said:
                    >>
                    >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                    >> fantasies
                    >> into the pit of destruction."
                    >>
                    >> Regan
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: nathaniel x vance
                    >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                    >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                    >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                    >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ZetaTalk:
                    >> GodlikeProduction Live
                    >>
                    >> written
                    >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                    >>
                    >> Questioner: Obama
                    >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
                    >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
                    >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                    >> president, what does it mean for the
                    >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
                    >> have
                    >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
                    >> like
                    >> to ask the Zetas if on
                    >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
                    >> so
                    >> was
                    >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
                    >> CNN
                    >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
                    >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                    >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
                    >> comment.
                    >>
                    >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                    >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
                    >> and
                    >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama looked
                    >> older
                    >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                    >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet the
                    >> race
                    >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
                    >> loss
                    >> of
                    >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
                    >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
                    >> what
                    >> the
                    >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did not
                    >> learn
                    >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
                    >> crimes,
                    >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
                    >> the
                    >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
                    >> presence
                    >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
                    >> the
                    >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
                    >> him
                    >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official confirmation.
                    >> Why would
                    >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                    >> boundaries
                    >> are
                    >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
                    >> how
                    >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                    >> decided.
                    >>
                    >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                    >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                    >>
                    >> Zeta response: This
                    >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
                    >> future.
                    >>
                    >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                    >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
                    >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
                    >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                    >> figuratively?
                    >>
                    >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                    >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
                    >> early
                    >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
                    >> was
                    >> a
                    >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                    >> circumstances
                    >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
                    >> and
                    >> mind
                    >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
                    >> that
                    >> they have a new soul within.
                    >>
                    >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                    >>
                    >> The
                    >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                    >>
                    >> Issue 104,
                    >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                    >>
                    >> Election
                    >> Results
                    >>
                    >> As predicted by
                    >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
                    >> state,
                    >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                    >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
                    >> in
                    >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
                    >> actual
                    >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                    >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                    >>
                    >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                    >>
                    >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
                    >> MOCKED!
                    >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                    >> http://zetaheaven.org
                    >
                    >
                    > ------------------------------------
                  • Ted
                    We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still ... From: To: Sent: Friday, November 14,
                    Message 9 of 22 , Nov 14, 2008
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                      We or should I say Nathan and Nancy still have Obama, still
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: <masanga@...>
                      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:44 AM
                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                      > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted. Like
                      > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either, especially
                      > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did not
                      > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps he
                      > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth" as
                      > the
                      > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                      > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most powerful
                      > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be able
                      > to
                      > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he perceives
                      > them to be.
                      >
                      > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will probably
                      > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that his
                      > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent man,
                      > I
                      > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president in
                      > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                      > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things of
                      > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                      > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                      > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house that
                      > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                      > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great saviour
                      > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I can
                      > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                      >
                      > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight of
                      > the
                      > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American problem
                      > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy that is
                      > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                      > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                      > free-market
                      > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most intelligent
                      > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a collective
                      > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                      >
                      > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through worshipping
                      > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing in
                      > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                      > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                      > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions underlie
                      > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that torture,
                      > for
                      > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                      > humanity
                      > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by Obama
                      > and
                      > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes identified
                      > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                      >
                      > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a pole
                      > shift too.
                      >
                      > Cheers Ted,
                      > Regan
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: Ted
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                      > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch at
                      > times.
                      > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                      > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest, the
                      > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count. And
                      > by
                      > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                      >
                      > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE mae,
                      > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One would
                      > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money into
                      > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea, and
                      > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                      > things.
                      > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name for
                      > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little friends.
                      > Good to see you're back.
                      > Later...
                      > Ted
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: <masanga@...>
                      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >
                      >
                      >> Hi Ted,
                      >>
                      >> Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected to
                      >> get
                      >> reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I eventually
                      >> got
                      >> back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in my
                      >> In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days and
                      >> was
                      >> struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this forum
                      >> although momentous events have happened in the world, the election of
                      >> Barack
                      >> Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of them.
                      >> The
                      >> masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of joy in
                      >> the
                      >> fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new age
                      >> has
                      >> dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                      >> world-historic
                      >> event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here. Why
                      >> not? I found this puzzling.
                      >>
                      >> Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the election
                      >> from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the politicians
                      >> themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view that
                      >> presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that constitutes
                      >> this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in the
                      >> whole
                      >> of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                      >> Lambremont
                      >> Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to remove
                      >> the
                      >> Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                      >> myself
                      >> so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                      >>
                      >> The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I found
                      >> no
                      >> difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself from
                      >> turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency whenever I
                      >> am
                      >> confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed that
                      >> service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't want
                      >> to
                      >> get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle may
                      >> be.
                      >> Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the Zeta -
                      >> on
                      >> the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those among
                      >> us
                      >> who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it. So my
                      >> response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                      >> fact -
                      >> to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                      >> activity
                      >> and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                      >> personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to do
                      >> that
                      >> if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the natural
                      >> consequences of doing it.
                      >>
                      >> I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have now
                      >> made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                      >>
                      >> Warm regards,
                      >> Regan
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: Ted
                      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> So you're back with a vengeance
                      >> Well I meant a quote.
                      >> .
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: <masanga@...>
                      >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                      >> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage words of
                      >>> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                      >>> reported
                      >>> to have said:
                      >>>
                      >>> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                      >>> fantasies
                      >>> into the pit of destruction."
                      >>>
                      >>> Regan
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> ----- Original Message -----
                      >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                      >>> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ; TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com
                      >>> ;
                      >>> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ; ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ; earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com
                      >>> ;
                      >>> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                      >>> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                      >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                      >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> ZetaTalk:
                      >>> GodlikeProduction Live
                      >>>
                      >>> written
                      >>> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                      >>>
                      >>> Questioner: Obama
                      >>> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he did on
                      >>> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out in his
                      >>> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                      >>> president, what does it mean for the
                      >>> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The Zetas
                      >>> have
                      >>> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I would
                      >>> like
                      >>> to ask the Zetas if on
                      >>> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X, and if
                      >>> so
                      >>> was
                      >>> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference Friday the
                      >>> CNN
                      >>> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him "pause"
                      >>> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                      >>> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined to
                      >>> comment.
                      >>>
                      >>> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                      >>> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his heart
                      >>> and
                      >>> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                      >>> looked
                      >>> older
                      >>> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                      >>> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy. Yet
                      >>> the
                      >>> race
                      >>> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing him
                      >>> loss
                      >>> of
                      >>> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not already
                      >>> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world and
                      >>> what
                      >>> the
                      >>> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also did
                      >>> not
                      >>> learn
                      >>> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and company
                      >>> crimes,
                      >>> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI and
                      >>> the
                      >>> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a planetary
                      >>> presence
                      >>> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had heard
                      >>> the
                      >>> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed to
                      >>> him
                      >>> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                      >>> confirmation.
                      >>> Why would
                      >>> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                      >>> boundaries
                      >>> are
                      >>> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up, and
                      >>> how
                      >>> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                      >>> decided.
                      >>>
                      >>> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                      >>> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                      >>>
                      >>> Zeta response: This
                      >>> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options in the
                      >>> future.
                      >>>
                      >>> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                      >>> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He is
                      >>> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is Lincoln
                      >>> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                      >>> figuratively?
                      >>>
                      >>> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                      >>> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children recognize
                      >>> early
                      >>> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case, he
                      >>> was
                      >>> a
                      >>> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                      >>> circumstances
                      >>> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human body
                      >>> and
                      >>> mind
                      >>> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the conclusion
                      >>> that
                      >>> they have a new soul within.
                      >>>
                      >>> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                      >>>
                      >>> The
                      >>> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                      >>>
                      >>> Issue 104,
                      >>> Sunday November 9, 2008
                      >>>
                      >>> Election
                      >>> Results
                      >>>
                      >>> As predicted by
                      >>> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result, state by
                      >>> state,
                      >>> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                      >>> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain ended up
                      >>> in
                      >>> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to the
                      >>> actual
                      >>> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                      >>> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                      >>>
                      >>> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                      >>>
                      >>> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is Not
                      >>> MOCKED!
                      >>> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                      >>> http://zetaheaven.org
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ------------------------------------
                      >
                      >
                      > ------------------------------------
                      >
                      > Yahoo! Groups Links
                      >
                      >
                      >
                    • masanga@talktalk.net
                      Dear Nathaniel, President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
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                        Dear Nathaniel,

                        "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a certain
                        number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                        wicked...."

                        Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes of our
                        lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone else
                        in this respect.

                        ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would win
                        despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."

                        So did a lot of other people predict it too and without needing any
                        "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the "seemingly
                        insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He seemed to
                        have a clear run to me.

                        ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."

                        Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible about
                        that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.

                        "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and praises
                        to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted
                        him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected
                        around the clock 24/7!!"

                        You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                        meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really in
                        defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                        Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up to
                        the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                        supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a system
                        of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where the
                        people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become the
                        all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                        Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken office
                        yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit for
                        becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.

                        "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She is
                        doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness for the
                        wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."

                        I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as I see
                        it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be as you
                        say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                        transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I think she
                        is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is independent
                        of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting the
                        existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the anonymous
                        "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on sheer
                        blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of the
                        terms.

                        ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed and
                        sconld...."

                        What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or scold
                        her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially and
                        objectively.

                        "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                        intransigence...."

                        How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to compromise" and
                        to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us to
                        make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder what
                        they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think she
                        cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price. But
                        then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.

                        "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance of
                        the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                        Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."

                        Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't we? Or
                        is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                        statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which she has
                        now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which you
                        posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she can
                        turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into an
                        alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or even
                        appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence? It is
                        nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing to pay
                        before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too high for
                        me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                        picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                        perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                        ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a lie the
                        next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                        appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.

                        Regards,
                        Regan


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: nathaniel x vance
                        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                        Dear Regan, Ted,
                        President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                        certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                        greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                        barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                        him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                        afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                        and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making this
                        victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                        24/7!!
                        I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                        is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                        for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                        righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                        and sconld.
                        We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                        intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                        re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or
                        less!
                        Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.

                        --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                        > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                        at
                        > times.
                        > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                        > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                        the
                        > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                        And by
                        > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                        >
                        > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                        mae,
                        > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                        would
                        > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                        into
                        > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                        and
                        > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                        things.
                        > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                        for
                        > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                        friends.
                        > Good to see you're back.
                        > Later...
                        > Ted
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: masanga@...
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        >
                        >
                        > > Hi Ted,
                        > >
                        > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                        to get
                        > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                        eventually
                        > > got
                        > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                        my
                        > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                        and was
                        > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                        forum
                        > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                        of
                        > > Barack
                        > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                        them. The
                        > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                        joy in
                        > > the
                        > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                        age has
                        > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                        > > world-historic
                        > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                        Why
                        > > not? I found this puzzling.
                        > >
                        > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                        election
                        > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                        politicians
                        > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                        that
                        > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                        constitutes
                        > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                        the
                        > > whole
                        > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                        > > Lambremont
                        > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                        remove
                        > > the
                        > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                        > > myself
                        > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                        > >
                        > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                        found no
                        > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                        from
                        > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                        whenever I
                        > > am
                        > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                        that
                        > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                        want to
                        > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                        may be.
                        > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                        Zeta -
                        > > on
                        > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                        among us
                        > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                        So my
                        > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                        > > fact -
                        > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                        > > activity
                        > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                        > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                        do
                        > > that
                        > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                        natural
                        > > consequences of doing it.
                        > >
                        > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                        now
                        > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                        > >
                        > > Warm regards,
                        > > Regan
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: Ted
                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > So you're back with a vengeance
                        > > Well I meant a quote.
                        > > .
                        > > ----- Original Message -----
                        > > From: masanga@...
                        > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                        > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                        words of
                        > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                        > >> reported
                        > >> to have said:
                        > >>
                        > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                        > >> fantasies
                        > >> into the pit of destruction."
                        > >>
                        > >> Regan
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >> ----- Original Message -----
                        > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                        > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                        TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                        ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                        earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                        > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                        > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                        > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >>
                        > >> ZetaTalk:
                        > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                        > >>
                        > >> written
                        > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                        > >>
                        > >> Questioner: Obama
                        > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                        did on
                        > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                        in his
                        > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                        > >> president, what does it mean for the
                        > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                        Zetas
                        > >> have
                        > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                        would
                        > >> like
                        > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                        > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                        and if
                        > >> so
                        > >> was
                        > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                        Friday the
                        > >> CNN
                        > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                        "pause"
                        > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                        > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                        to
                        > >> comment.
                        > >>
                        > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                        > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                        heart
                        > >> and
                        > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                        looked
                        > >> older
                        > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                        > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                        Yet the
                        > >> race
                        > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                        him
                        > >> loss
                        > >> of
                        > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                        already
                        > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                        and
                        > >> what
                        > >> the
                        > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                        did not
                        > >> learn
                        > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                        company
                        > >> crimes,
                        > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                        and
                        > >> the
                        > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                        planetary
                        > >> presence
                        > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                        heard
                        > >> the
                        > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                        to
                        > >> him
                        > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                        confirmation.
                        > >> Why would
                        > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                        > >> boundaries
                        > >> are
                        > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                        and
                        > >> how
                        > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                        > >> decided.
                        > >>
                        > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                        > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                        > >>
                        > >> Zeta response: This
                        > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                        in the
                        > >> future.
                        > >>
                        > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                        > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                        is
                        > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                        Lincoln
                        > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                        > >> figuratively?
                        > >>
                        > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                        > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                        recognize
                        > >> early
                        > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                        he
                        > >> was
                        > >> a
                        > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                        > >> circumstances
                        > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                        body
                        > >> and
                        > >> mind
                        > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                        conclusion
                        > >> that
                        > >> they have a new soul within.
                        > >>
                        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                        > >>
                        > >> The
                        > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                        > >>
                        > >> Issue 104,
                        > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                        > >>
                        > >> Election
                        > >> Results
                        > >>
                        > >> As predicted by
                        > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                        state by
                        > >> state,
                        > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                        > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                        ended up
                        > >> in
                        > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                        the
                        > >> actual
                        > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                        > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                        > >>
                        > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                        > >>
                        > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                        Not
                        > >> MOCKED!
                        > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                        > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ------------------------------------
                      • nathaniel x vance
                        Dear masanga, Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                        Message 11 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
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                          Dear masanga,
                          Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                          must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                          rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                          of some kind of powerful medication?
                          I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                          not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                          on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                          shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                          My sympathy.

                          --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                          >
                          > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                          Like
                          > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                          especially
                          > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                          not
                          > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                          he
                          > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                          as the
                          > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                          > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                          powerful
                          > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                          able to
                          > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                          perceives
                          > them to be.
                          >
                          > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                          probably
                          > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                          his
                          > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                          man, I
                          > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                          in
                          > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                          > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                          of
                          > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                          > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                          > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                          that
                          > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                          > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                          saviour
                          > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                          can
                          > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                          >
                          > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                          of the
                          > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                          problem
                          > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                          that is
                          > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                          > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                          free-market
                          > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                          intelligent
                          > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                          collective
                          > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                          >
                          > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                          worshipping
                          > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                          in
                          > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                          > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                          > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                          underlie
                          > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                          torture, for
                          > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                          humanity
                          > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                          Obama and
                          > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                          identified
                          > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                          >
                          > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                          pole
                          > shift too.
                          >
                          > Cheers Ted,
                          > Regan
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Ted
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                          > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                          at
                          > times.
                          > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                          > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                          the
                          > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                          And by
                          > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                          >
                          > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                          mae,
                          > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                          would
                          > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                          into
                          > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                          and
                          > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                          things.
                          > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                          for
                          > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                          friends.
                          > Good to see you're back.
                          > Later...
                          > Ted
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: masanga@...
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          >
                          >
                          > > Hi Ted,
                          > >
                          > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                          to get
                          > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                          eventually
                          > > got
                          > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                          my
                          > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                          and was
                          > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                          forum
                          > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                          of
                          > > Barack
                          > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                          them. The
                          > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                          joy in
                          > > the
                          > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                          age has
                          > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                          > > world-historic
                          > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                          Why
                          > > not? I found this puzzling.
                          > >
                          > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                          election
                          > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                          politicians
                          > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                          that
                          > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                          constitutes
                          > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                          the
                          > > whole
                          > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                          > > Lambremont
                          > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                          remove
                          > > the
                          > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                          > > myself
                          > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                          > >
                          > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                          found no
                          > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                          from
                          > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                          whenever I
                          > > am
                          > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                          that
                          > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                          want to
                          > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                          may be.
                          > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                          Zeta -
                          > > on
                          > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                          among us
                          > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                          So my
                          > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                          > > fact -
                          > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                          > > activity
                          > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                          > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                          do
                          > > that
                          > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                          natural
                          > > consequences of doing it.
                          > >
                          > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                          now
                          > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                          > >
                          > > Warm regards,
                          > > Regan
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: Ted
                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > So you're back with a vengeance
                          > > Well I meant a quote.
                          > > .
                          > > ----- Original Message -----
                          > > From: masanga@...
                          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                          words of
                          > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                          > >> reported
                          > >> to have said:
                          > >>
                          > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                          > >> fantasies
                          > >> into the pit of destruction."
                          > >>
                          > >> Regan
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> ----- Original Message -----
                          > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                          > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                          TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                          ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                          earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                          > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                          > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                          > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >>
                          > >> ZetaTalk:
                          > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                          > >>
                          > >> written
                          > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                          > >>
                          > >> Questioner: Obama
                          > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                          did on
                          > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                          in his
                          > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                          > >> president, what does it mean for the
                          > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                          Zetas
                          > >> have
                          > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                          would
                          > >> like
                          > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                          > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                          and if
                          > >> so
                          > >> was
                          > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                          Friday the
                          > >> CNN
                          > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                          "pause"
                          > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                          > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                          to
                          > >> comment.
                          > >>
                          > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                          > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                          heart
                          > >> and
                          > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                          looked
                          > >> older
                          > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                          > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                          Yet the
                          > >> race
                          > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                          him
                          > >> loss
                          > >> of
                          > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                          already
                          > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                          and
                          > >> what
                          > >> the
                          > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                          did not
                          > >> learn
                          > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                          company
                          > >> crimes,
                          > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                          and
                          > >> the
                          > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                          planetary
                          > >> presence
                          > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                          heard
                          > >> the
                          > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                          to
                          > >> him
                          > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                          confirmation.
                          > >> Why would
                          > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                          > >> boundaries
                          > >> are
                          > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                          and
                          > >> how
                          > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                          > >> decided.
                          > >>
                          > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                          > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                          > >>
                          > >> Zeta response: This
                          > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                          in the
                          > >> future.
                          > >>
                          > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                          > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                          is
                          > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                          Lincoln
                          > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                          > >> figuratively?
                          > >>
                          > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                          > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                          recognize
                          > >> early
                          > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                          he
                          > >> was
                          > >> a
                          > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                          > >> circumstances
                          > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                          body
                          > >> and
                          > >> mind
                          > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                          conclusion
                          > >> that
                          > >> they have a new soul within.
                          > >>
                          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                          > >>
                          > >> The
                          > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                          > >>
                          > >> Issue 104,
                          > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                          > >>
                          > >> Election
                          > >> Results
                          > >>
                          > >> As predicted by
                          > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                          state by
                          > >> state,
                          > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                          > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                          ended up
                          > >> in
                          > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                          the
                          > >> actual
                          > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                          > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                          > >>
                          > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                          > >>
                          > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                          Not
                          > >> MOCKED!
                          > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                          > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > ------------------------------------
                          >
                        • nathaniel x vance
                          Dear masanga, I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of seven.
                          Message 12 of 22 , Nov 15, 2008
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                            Dear masanga,
                            I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                            your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                            seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                            crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                            your answer be?
                            Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                            someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                            you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                            UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                            to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                            his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                            would qualify.
                            As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                            level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                            Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Dear Nathaniel,
                            >
                            > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            certain
                            > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                            > wicked...."
                            >
                            > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                            of our
                            > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                            else
                            > in this respect.
                            >
                            > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                            win
                            > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                            >
                            > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                            needing any
                            > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                            "seemingly
                            > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                            seemed to
                            > have a clear run to me.
                            >
                            > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                            >
                            > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                            about
                            > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                            >
                            > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                            praises
                            > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                            asssisted
                            > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                            protected
                            > around the clock 24/7!!"
                            >
                            > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                            > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                            in
                            > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                            > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                            to
                            > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                            > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                            system
                            > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                            the
                            > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                            the
                            > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                            > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                            office
                            > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                            for
                            > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                            >
                            > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                            She is
                            > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                            for the
                            > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                            >
                            > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                            I see
                            > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                            as you
                            > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                            > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                            think she
                            > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                            independent
                            > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                            the
                            > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                            anonymous
                            > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                            sheer
                            > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                            the
                            > terms.
                            >
                            > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                            and
                            > sconld...."
                            >
                            > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                            scold
                            > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                            and
                            > objectively.
                            >
                            > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                            morbid
                            > intransigence...."
                            >
                            > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                            compromise" and
                            > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                            to
                            > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                            what
                            > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                            she
                            > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                            But
                            > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                            >
                            > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                            of
                            > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                            > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                            >
                            > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                            we? Or
                            > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                            > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                            she has
                            > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                            you
                            > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                            can
                            > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                            an
                            > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                            even
                            > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                            It is
                            > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                            to pay
                            > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                            high for
                            > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                            > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                            > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                            > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                            lie the
                            > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                            > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                            >
                            > Regards,
                            > Regan
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: nathaniel x vance
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            >
                            >
                            > Dear Regan, Ted,
                            > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                            > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                            > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                            > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                            > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                            > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                            > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                            this
                            > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                            > 24/7!!
                            > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                            > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                            consciousness
                            > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                            > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                            > and sconld.
                            > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                            > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                            > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                            or
                            > less!
                            > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                            >
                            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                            > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                            bitch
                            > at
                            > > times.
                            > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                            > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                            > the
                            > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                            count.
                            > And by
                            > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                            > >
                            > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                            FANNIE
                            > mae,
                            > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                            > would
                            > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                            > into
                            > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                            idea,
                            > and
                            > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                            > things.
                            > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                            name
                            > for
                            > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                            > friends.
                            > > Good to see you're back.
                            > > Later...
                            > > Ted
                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > From: masanga@
                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                            > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > > Hi Ted,
                            > > >
                            > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                            > to get
                            > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                            > eventually
                            > > > got
                            > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                            in
                            > my
                            > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                            > and was
                            > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                            > forum
                            > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                            > of
                            > > > Barack
                            > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                            > them. The
                            > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                            > joy in
                            > > > the
                            > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                            > age has
                            > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                            > > > world-historic
                            > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                            here.
                            > Why
                            > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                            > > >
                            > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                            > election
                            > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                            > politicians
                            > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                            > that
                            > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                            > constitutes
                            > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                            > the
                            > > > whole
                            > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                            > > > Lambremont
                            > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                            > remove
                            > > > the
                            > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                            anything
                            > > > myself
                            > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                            > > >
                            > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                            > found no
                            > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                            > from
                            > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                            > whenever I
                            > > > am
                            > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                            > that
                            > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                            > want to
                            > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                            > may be.
                            > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                            > Zeta -
                            > > > on
                            > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                            > among us
                            > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                            > So my
                            > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                            in
                            > > > fact -
                            > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                            > > > activity
                            > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                            their
                            > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                            > do
                            > > > that
                            > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                            > natural
                            > > > consequences of doing it.
                            > > >
                            > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                            > now
                            > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                            > > >
                            > > > Warm regards,
                            > > > Regan
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: Ted
                            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                            > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                            > > > Well I meant a quote.
                            > > > .
                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                            > > > From: masanga@
                            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                            > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                            [11-08-08]
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                            > words of
                            > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                            > > >> reported
                            > > >> to have said:
                            > > >>
                            > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                            > > >> fantasies
                            > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Regan
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                            > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                            > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                            > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                            > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                            > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> ZetaTalk:
                            > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                            > > >>
                            > > >> written
                            > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Questioner: Obama
                            > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                            > did on
                            > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                            > in his
                            > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                            new
                            > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                            > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                            The
                            > Zetas
                            > > >> have
                            > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                            > would
                            > > >> like
                            > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                            > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                            > and if
                            > > >> so
                            > > >> was
                            > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                            > Friday the
                            > > >> CNN
                            > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                            > "pause"
                            > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                            > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                            declined
                            > to
                            > > >> comment.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                            consensus
                            > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                            > heart
                            > > >> and
                            > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                            Obama
                            > looked
                            > > >> older
                            > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                            > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                            > Yet the
                            > > >> race
                            > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                            causing
                            > him
                            > > >> loss
                            > > >> of
                            > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                            > already
                            > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                            > and
                            > > >> what
                            > > >> the
                            > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                            > did not
                            > > >> learn
                            > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                            > company
                            > > >> crimes,
                            > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                            FBI
                            > and
                            > > >> the
                            > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                            > planetary
                            > > >> presence
                            > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                            had
                            > heard
                            > > >> the
                            > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                            relayed
                            > to
                            > > >> him
                            > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                            > confirmation.
                            > > >> Why would
                            > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                            > > >> boundaries
                            > > >> are
                            > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                            cover-up,
                            > and
                            > > >> how
                            > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                            been
                            > > >> decided.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                            > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Zeta response: This
                            > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                            > in the
                            > > >> future.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                            > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                            He
                            > is
                            > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                            > Lincoln
                            > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                            > > >> figuratively?
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                            > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                            > recognize
                            > > >> early
                            > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                            case,
                            > he
                            > > >> was
                            > > >> a
                            > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                            > > >> circumstances
                            > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                            > body
                            > > >> and
                            > > >> mind
                            > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                            > conclusion
                            > > >> that
                            > > >> they have a new soul within.
                            > > >>
                            > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> The
                            > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Issue 104,
                            > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                            > > >>
                            > > >> Election
                            > > >> Results
                            > > >>
                            > > >> As predicted by
                            > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                            > state by
                            > > >> state,
                            > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                            > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                            > ended up
                            > > >> in
                            > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                            > the
                            > > >> actual
                            > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                            > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                            > > >>
                            > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                            > Not
                            > > >> MOCKED!
                            > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                            > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                            > > >
                            > > >
                            > > > ------------------------------------
                            >



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                            Nathaniel, The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama s situation. You are evading the issue. Regan ... From: nathaniel x vance To:
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                              Nathaniel,

                              The state of my mind is irrelevant to the question of Obama's
                              situation. You are evading the issue.

                              Regan


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: nathaniel x vance
                              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:14 PM
                              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                              Dear masanga,
                              Brother, the blinders that you are wearing must be made of pure gold and
                              must have cost you a future! At least Ted critique does make a little
                              rational sense, but what you write is ...... are you under the influence
                              of some kind of powerful medication?
                              I mean, something is not screwed properly in your upstairs mind. I am
                              not trying to minimize you, but you ought to have a brain scan to check
                              on whether you may need some kind of help to remove some debris that
                              shouldn't be floating around up in there.
                              My sympathy.

                              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > It's good to get your thoughts on these topical affairs, Ted.
                              Like
                              > you I cannot see why anyone would want Obama's new job either,
                              especially
                              > under the present problematic circumstances. Unless, that is, he did
                              not
                              > know what the job was really about before he applied for it. Perhaps
                              he
                              > thought that he really would become "the most powerful man on earth"
                              as the
                              > media myth-spinners are wont to describe the US President (along with
                              > "Commander-in-Chief of the American People", "Leader of the most
                              powerful
                              > nation on earth", etc). Perhaps he thought that he really would be
                              able to
                              > act freely on behalf of the people and in their interests as he
                              perceives
                              > them to be.
                              >
                              > But whatever he thought the job is about, I think he will
                              probably
                              > have found out by now that his real powers are very limited and that
                              his
                              > possible options for action are likewise. Since he is an intelligent
                              man, I
                              > expect he will also have discovered that he is just a puppet-president
                              in
                              > waiting and that his strings are already being pulled by the elite
                              > powers-that-be. It is a bit late in the day to discover these things
                              of
                              > course and I would hate to be in his position of having made such big
                              > promises to the nation that he has no way of fulfilling. It must feel
                              > rather like the position of someone who has a mortgage on their house
                              that
                              > they have no way of paying off. What a nightmare. And what a hollow
                              > "people's victory" when he won the election. All that their great
                              saviour
                              > can do now is to rearrange the deckchairs on the sinking Titanic. I
                              can
                              > hear Rumi's warning ringing in my ears every time I think of it.
                              >
                              > In the Americocentric western world, it is easy to lose sight
                              of the
                              > fact that the present economic catastrophe is not just an American
                              problem
                              > but that it is a world problem too. It is not just the US economy
                              that is
                              > in jeopardy but the whole world economy. It seems that we could be
                              > witnessing the juddering downfall of the whole global system of
                              free-market
                              > capitalism. How could global humanity - supposedly the most
                              intelligent
                              > species on the planet - possibly have got itself into such a
                              collective
                              > mess? Rumi's warning comes ringing in my ears again.
                              >
                              > He specified that humanity gets into its messes through
                              worshipping
                              > "false idols" (my interpretation: holding false values) and believing
                              in
                              > "vain fantasies" (my interpretation: clinging ardently to deceptive
                              > illusions). It would take too long for me to go here and now into the
                              > questions of which specific false values and deceptive illusions
                              underlie
                              > humanity's present economic debacle so I'll spare readers that
                              torture, for
                              > now at any rate. But I feel sure that those people who think that
                              humanity
                              > can get out of its predicament by means of a quick fix supplied by
                              Obama and
                              > his aides and which does not address the two fundamental causes
                              identified
                              > by Rumi, are sorely kidding themselves and are in for a rough landing.
                              >
                              > Tough times lie ahead for us all I fear. And that's without a
                              pole
                              > shift too.
                              >
                              > Cheers Ted,
                              > Regan
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: Ted
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:32 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >
                              >
                              > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                              > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a bitch
                              at
                              > times.
                              > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                              > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                              the
                              > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the count.
                              And by
                              > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                              >
                              > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG, FANNIE
                              mae,
                              > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                              would
                              > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                              into
                              > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no idea,
                              and
                              > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                              things.
                              > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's name
                              for
                              > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                              friends.
                              > Good to see you're back.
                              > Later...
                              > Ted
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: masanga@...
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              >
                              >
                              > > Hi Ted,
                              > >
                              > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                              to get
                              > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                              eventually
                              > > got
                              > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me in
                              my
                              > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                              and was
                              > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                              forum
                              > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                              of
                              > > Barack
                              > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                              them. The
                              > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                              joy in
                              > > the
                              > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                              age has
                              > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                              > > world-historic
                              > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone here.
                              Why
                              > > not? I found this puzzling.
                              > >
                              > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                              election
                              > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                              politicians
                              > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                              that
                              > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                              constitutes
                              > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                              the
                              > > whole
                              > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                              > > Lambremont
                              > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                              remove
                              > > the
                              > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say anything
                              > > myself
                              > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                              > >
                              > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                              found no
                              > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                              from
                              > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                              whenever I
                              > > am
                              > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                              that
                              > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                              want to
                              > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                              may be.
                              > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                              Zeta -
                              > > on
                              > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                              among us
                              > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                              So my
                              > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning in
                              > > fact -
                              > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                              > > activity
                              > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate their
                              > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                              do
                              > > that
                              > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                              natural
                              > > consequences of doing it.
                              > >
                              > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                              now
                              > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                              > >
                              > > Warm regards,
                              > > Regan
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: Ted
                              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > So you're back with a vengeance
                              > > Well I meant a quote.
                              > > .
                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                              > > From: masanga@...
                              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                              > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                              words of
                              > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                              > >> reported
                              > >> to have said:
                              > >>
                              > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                              > >> fantasies
                              > >> into the pit of destruction."
                              > >>
                              > >> Regan
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >> ----- Original Message -----
                              > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                              > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                              TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                              ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                              earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                              > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                              > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                              > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >>
                              > >> ZetaTalk:
                              > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                              > >>
                              > >> written
                              > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                              > >>
                              > >> Questioner: Obama
                              > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                              did on
                              > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                              in his
                              > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the new
                              > >> president, what does it mean for the
                              > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift? The
                              Zetas
                              > >> have
                              > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                              would
                              > >> like
                              > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                              > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                              and if
                              > >> so
                              > >> was
                              > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                              Friday the
                              > >> CNN
                              > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                              "pause"
                              > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                              > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he declined
                              to
                              > >> comment.
                              > >>
                              > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the consensus
                              > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                              heart
                              > >> and
                              > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that Obama
                              looked
                              > >> older
                              > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                              > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                              Yet the
                              > >> race
                              > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was causing
                              him
                              > >> loss
                              > >> of
                              > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                              already
                              > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                              and
                              > >> what
                              > >> the
                              > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                              did not
                              > >> learn
                              > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                              company
                              > >> crimes,
                              > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the FBI
                              and
                              > >> the
                              > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                              planetary
                              > >> presence
                              > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He had
                              heard
                              > >> the
                              > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and relayed
                              to
                              > >> him
                              > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                              confirmation.
                              > >> Why would
                              > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                              > >> boundaries
                              > >> are
                              > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the cover-up,
                              and
                              > >> how
                              > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet been
                              > >> decided.
                              > >>
                              > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                              > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                              > >>
                              > >> Zeta response: This
                              > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                              in the
                              > >> future.
                              > >>
                              > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                              > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs? He
                              is
                              > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                              Lincoln
                              > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                              > >> figuratively?
                              > >>
                              > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                              > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                              recognize
                              > >> early
                              > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's case,
                              he
                              > >> was
                              > >> a
                              > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                              > >> circumstances
                              > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                              body
                              > >> and
                              > >> mind
                              > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                              conclusion
                              > >> that
                              > >> they have a new soul within.
                              > >>
                              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                              > >>
                              > >> The
                              > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                              > >>
                              > >> Issue 104,
                              > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                              > >>
                              > >> Election
                              > >> Results
                              > >>
                              > >> As predicted by
                              > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                              state by
                              > >> state,
                              > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                              > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                              ended up
                              > >> in
                              > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                              the
                              > >> actual
                              > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                              > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                              > >>
                              > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                              > >>
                              > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                              Not
                              > >> MOCKED!
                              > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                              > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > ------------------------------------
                            • masanga@talktalk.net
                              Nathaniel, I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
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                                Nathaniel,

                                I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting that my
                                mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very great
                                compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false knowledge,
                                unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange desires,
                                and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things as
                                they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso said
                                that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child. And
                                Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little children to
                                come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you for
                                this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked long
                                and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and encouragement
                                to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my mental age
                                down to absolute zero in time.

                                I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a break
                                from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you don't
                                want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me in the
                                first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only suggest
                                that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.

                                Sincerely,
                                Regan (masanga)


                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: nathaniel x vance
                                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                Dear masanga,
                                I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what would
                                your answer be?
                                Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications; Can
                                you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see a
                                UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein Obama,
                                his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on earth
                                would qualify.
                                As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!

                                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Dear Nathaniel,
                                >
                                > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                certain
                                > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                > wicked...."
                                >
                                > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                of our
                                > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to anyone
                                else
                                > in this respect.
                                >
                                > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck would
                                win
                                > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                >
                                > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                needing any
                                > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                "seemingly
                                > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                seemed to
                                > have a clear run to me.
                                >
                                > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                >
                                > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                about
                                > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                >
                                > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                praises
                                > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                asssisted
                                > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                protected
                                > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                >
                                > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                in
                                > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing up
                                to
                                > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which is
                                > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                system
                                > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy, where
                                the
                                > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                the
                                > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read "Emperor").
                                > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                office
                                > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                for
                                > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                >
                                > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                She is
                                > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                for the
                                > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                >
                                > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                I see
                                > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                as you
                                > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                think she
                                > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                independent
                                > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                the
                                > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                anonymous
                                > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                sheer
                                > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                the
                                > terms.
                                >
                                > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                and
                                > sconld...."
                                >
                                > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                scold
                                > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                and
                                > objectively.
                                >
                                > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                morbid
                                > intransigence...."
                                >
                                > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                compromise" and
                                > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants us
                                to
                                > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                what
                                > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                she
                                > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the price.
                                But
                                > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                >
                                > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the re-appearance
                                of
                                > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments."
                                >
                                > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                we? Or
                                > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                she has
                                > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and which
                                you
                                > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                can
                                > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                an
                                > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                even
                                > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                It is
                                > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                to pay
                                > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                high for
                                > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my own
                                > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                lie the
                                > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                >
                                > Regards,
                                > Regan
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: nathaniel x vance
                                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                >
                                >
                                > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should be
                                > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen team
                                > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                this
                                > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the clock
                                > 24/7!!
                                > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult! She
                                > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                consciousness
                                > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                > and sconld.
                                > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                or
                                > less!
                                > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or arguments.
                                >
                                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                bitch
                                > at
                                > > times.
                                > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond me.
                                > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the slightest,
                                > the
                                > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                count.
                                > And by
                                > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                > >
                                > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                FANNIE
                                > mae,
                                > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                > would
                                > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper money
                                > into
                                > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                idea,
                                > and
                                > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                > things.
                                > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                name
                                > for
                                > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                > friends.
                                > > Good to see you're back.
                                > > Later...
                                > > Ted
                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > From: masanga@
                                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > > Hi Ted,
                                > > >
                                > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                > to get
                                > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                > eventually
                                > > > got
                                > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for me
                                in
                                > my
                                > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few days
                                > and was
                                > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                > forum
                                > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the election
                                > of
                                > > > Barack
                                > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                > them. The
                                > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears of
                                > joy in
                                > > > the
                                > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a new
                                > age has
                                > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                > > > world-historic
                                > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                here.
                                > Why
                                > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                > > >
                                > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                > election
                                > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                > politicians
                                > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of view
                                > that
                                > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                > constitutes
                                > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                > the
                                > > > whole
                                > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                > > > Lambremont
                                > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment to
                                > remove
                                > > > the
                                > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                anything
                                > > > myself
                                > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it either.
                                > > >
                                > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                > found no
                                > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain myself
                                > from
                                > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                > whenever I
                                > > > am
                                > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                > that
                                > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I don't
                                > want to
                                > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the spectacle
                                > may be.
                                > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of the
                                > Zeta -
                                > > > on
                                > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only those
                                > among us
                                > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to it.
                                > So my
                                > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's warning
                                in
                                > > > fact -
                                > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this cult-building
                                > > > activity
                                > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                their
                                > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom to
                                > do
                                > > > that
                                > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                > natural
                                > > > consequences of doing it.
                                > > >
                                > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                > now
                                > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                > > >
                                > > > Warm regards,
                                > > > Regan
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: Ted
                                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                [11-08-08]
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                > > > .
                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                > > > From: masanga@
                                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                [11-08-08]
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                > words of
                                > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who is
                                > > >> reported
                                > > >> to have said:
                                > > >>
                                > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                > > >> fantasies
                                > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                > > >>
                                > > >> Regan
                                > > >>
                                > > >>
                                > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                > > >>
                                > > >>
                                > > >>
                                > > >>
                                > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                > > >>
                                > > >> written
                                > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                > > >>
                                > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than he
                                > did on
                                > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found out
                                > in his
                                > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                new
                                > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                The
                                > Zetas
                                > > >> have
                                > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                > would
                                > > >> like
                                > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet X,
                                > and if
                                > > >> so
                                > > >> was
                                > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                > Friday the
                                > > >> CNN
                                > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                > "pause"
                                > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                declined
                                > to
                                > > >> comment.
                                > > >>
                                > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                consensus
                                > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in his
                                > heart
                                > > >> and
                                > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                Obama
                                > looked
                                > > >> older
                                > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as the
                                > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his candidacy.
                                > Yet the
                                > > >> race
                                > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                causing
                                > him
                                > > >> loss
                                > > >> of
                                > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                > already
                                > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the world
                                > and
                                > > >> what
                                > > >> the
                                > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama also
                                > did not
                                > > >> learn
                                > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                > company
                                > > >> crimes,
                                > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                FBI
                                > and
                                > > >> the
                                > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                > planetary
                                > > >> presence
                                > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                had
                                > heard
                                > > >> the
                                > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                relayed
                                > to
                                > > >> him
                                > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                > confirmation.
                                > > >> Why would
                                > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the US
                                > > >> boundaries
                                > > >> are
                                > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                cover-up,
                                > and
                                > > >> how
                                > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                been
                                > > >> decided.
                                > > >>
                                > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                > > >>
                                > > >> Zeta response: This
                                > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many options
                                > in the
                                > > >> future.
                                > > >>
                                > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal beliefs?
                                He
                                > is
                                > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                > Lincoln
                                > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                > > >> figuratively?
                                > > >>
                                > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                > recognize
                                > > >> early
                                > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                case,
                                > he
                                > > >> was
                                > > >> a
                                > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and life
                                > > >> circumstances
                                > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the human
                                > body
                                > > >> and
                                > > >> mind
                                > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                > conclusion
                                > > >> that
                                > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                > > >>
                                > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                > > >>
                                > > >> The
                                > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                > > >>
                                > > >> Issue 104,
                                > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                > > >>
                                > > >> Election
                                > > >> Results
                                > > >>
                                > > >> As predicted by
                                > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                > state by
                                > > >> state,
                                > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                > ended up
                                > > >> in
                                > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls, to
                                > the
                                > > >> actual
                                > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                > > >>
                                > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                > > >>
                                > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD is
                                > Not
                                > > >> MOCKED!
                                > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                > > >
                                > > >
                                > > > ------------------------------------
                              • nathaniel x vance
                                masanga, Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This masanga person
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                                  masanga,
                                  Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                  what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                  masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                  you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                  At any rate, I wish you well.

                                  --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Nathaniel,
                                  >
                                  > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                  that my
                                  > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                  great
                                  > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                  > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                  knowledge,
                                  > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                  desires,
                                  > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                  as
                                  > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                  > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                  said
                                  > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                  And
                                  > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                  children to
                                  > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                  for
                                  > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                  long
                                  > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                  > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                  encouragement
                                  > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                  mental age
                                  > down to absolute zero in time.
                                  >
                                  > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                  break
                                  > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                  don't
                                  > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                  in the
                                  > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                  suggest
                                  > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                  >
                                  > Sincerely,
                                  > Regan (masanga)
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                  > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Dear masanga,
                                  > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                  > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                  > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                  > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                  would
                                  > your answer be?
                                  > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                  > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                  Can
                                  > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                  a
                                  > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                  > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                  Obama,
                                  > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                  earth
                                  > would qualify.
                                  > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                  > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                  > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                  >
                                  > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                  > >
                                  > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  > certain
                                  > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                  > > wicked...."
                                  > >
                                  > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                  > of our
                                  > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                  anyone
                                  > else
                                  > > in this respect.
                                  > >
                                  > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                  would
                                  > win
                                  > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                  > >
                                  > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                  > needing any
                                  > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                  > "seemingly
                                  > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                  > seemed to
                                  > > have a clear run to me.
                                  > >
                                  > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                  > >
                                  > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                  > about
                                  > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                  > >
                                  > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                  > praises
                                  > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                  > asssisted
                                  > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                  > protected
                                  > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                  > >
                                  > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                  > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                  > in
                                  > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                  > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                  up
                                  > to
                                  > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                  is
                                  > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                  > system
                                  > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                  where
                                  > the
                                  > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                  > the
                                  > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                  "Emperor").
                                  > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                  > office
                                  > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                  > for
                                  > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                  > >
                                  > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  > She is
                                  > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                  > for the
                                  > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                  > >
                                  > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                  > I see
                                  > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                  > as you
                                  > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                  > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                  > think she
                                  > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                  > independent
                                  > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                  > the
                                  > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                  > anonymous
                                  > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                  > sheer
                                  > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                  > the
                                  > > terms.
                                  > >
                                  > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                  > and
                                  > > sconld...."
                                  > >
                                  > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                  > scold
                                  > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                  > and
                                  > > objectively.
                                  > >
                                  > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                  > morbid
                                  > > intransigence...."
                                  > >
                                  > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                  > compromise" and
                                  > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                  us
                                  > to
                                  > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                  > what
                                  > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                  > she
                                  > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                  price.
                                  > But
                                  > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                  > >
                                  > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  re-appearance
                                  > of
                                  > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                  > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  arguments."
                                  > >
                                  > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                  > we? Or
                                  > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                  > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                  > she has
                                  > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                  which
                                  > you
                                  > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                  > can
                                  > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                  > an
                                  > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                  > even
                                  > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                  > It is
                                  > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                  > to pay
                                  > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                  > high for
                                  > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                  > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                  own
                                  > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                  > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                  > lie the
                                  > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                  > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                  > >
                                  > > Regards,
                                  > > Regan
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                  > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                  > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                  > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                  the
                                  > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                  > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                  > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                  be
                                  > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                  team
                                  > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                  > this
                                  > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                  clock
                                  > > 24/7!!
                                  > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                  She
                                  > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                  > consciousness
                                  > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                  > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                  rediculed
                                  > > and sconld.
                                  > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                  > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                  > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                  > or
                                  > > less!
                                  > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                  arguments.
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                  > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                  > bitch
                                  > > at
                                  > > > times.
                                  > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                  me.
                                  > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                  slightest,
                                  > > the
                                  > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                  > count.
                                  > > And by
                                  > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                  > FANNIE
                                  > > mae,
                                  > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                  > > would
                                  > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                  money
                                  > > into
                                  > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                  > idea,
                                  > > and
                                  > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                  > > things.
                                  > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                  > name
                                  > > for
                                  > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                  > > friends.
                                  > > > Good to see you're back.
                                  > > > Later...
                                  > > > Ted
                                  > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > From: masanga@
                                  > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                  > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  [11-08-08]
                                  > > >
                                  > > >
                                  > > > > Hi Ted,
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                  > > to get
                                  > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                  > > eventually
                                  > > > > got
                                  > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                  me
                                  > in
                                  > > my
                                  > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                  days
                                  > > and was
                                  > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                  > > forum
                                  > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                  election
                                  > > of
                                  > > > > Barack
                                  > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                  > > them. The
                                  > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                  of
                                  > > joy in
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                  new
                                  > > age has
                                  > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                  > > > > world-historic
                                  > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                  > here.
                                  > > Why
                                  > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                  > > election
                                  > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                  > > politicians
                                  > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                  view
                                  > > that
                                  > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                  > > constitutes
                                  > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                  > > the
                                  > > > > whole
                                  > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                  > > > > Lambremont
                                  > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                  to
                                  > > remove
                                  > > > > the
                                  > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                  > anything
                                  > > > > myself
                                  > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                  either.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                  > > found no
                                  > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                  myself
                                  > > from
                                  > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                  > > whenever I
                                  > > > > am
                                  > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                  > > that
                                  > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                  don't
                                  > > want to
                                  > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                  spectacle
                                  > > may be.
                                  > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                  the
                                  > > Zeta -
                                  > > > > on
                                  > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                  those
                                  > > among us
                                  > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                  it.
                                  > > So my
                                  > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                  warning
                                  > in
                                  > > > > fact -
                                  > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                  cult-building
                                  > > > > activity
                                  > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                  > their
                                  > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                  to
                                  > > do
                                  > > > > that
                                  > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                  > > natural
                                  > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                  > > now
                                  > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > Warm regards,
                                  > > > > Regan
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > From: Ted
                                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                  > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                  > > > > .
                                  > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > > From: masanga@
                                  > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                  > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                  > [11-08-08]
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                  > > words of
                                  > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                  is
                                  > > > >> reported
                                  > > > >> to have said:
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                  > > > >> fantasies
                                  > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Regan
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                  > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                  > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                  > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                  > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> written
                                  > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                  > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                  he
                                  > > did on
                                  > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                  out
                                  > > in his
                                  > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                  > new
                                  > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                  > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                  > The
                                  > > Zetas
                                  > > > >> have
                                  > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                  > > would
                                  > > > >> like
                                  > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                  > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                  X,
                                  > > and if
                                  > > > >> so
                                  > > > >> was
                                  > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                  > > Friday the
                                  > > > >> CNN
                                  > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                  > > "pause"
                                  > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                  > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                  > declined
                                  > > to
                                  > > > >> comment.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                  > consensus
                                  > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                  his
                                  > > heart
                                  > > > >> and
                                  > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                  > Obama
                                  > > looked
                                  > > > >> older
                                  > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                  the
                                  > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                  candidacy.
                                  > > Yet the
                                  > > > >> race
                                  > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                  > causing
                                  > > him
                                  > > > >> loss
                                  > > > >> of
                                  > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                  > > already
                                  > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                  world
                                  > > and
                                  > > > >> what
                                  > > > >> the
                                  > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                  also
                                  > > did not
                                  > > > >> learn
                                  > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                  > > company
                                  > > > >> crimes,
                                  > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                  > FBI
                                  > > and
                                  > > > >> the
                                  > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                  > > planetary
                                  > > > >> presence
                                  > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                  > had
                                  > > heard
                                  > > > >> the
                                  > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                  > relayed
                                  > > to
                                  > > > >> him
                                  > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                  > > confirmation.
                                  > > > >> Why would
                                  > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                  US
                                  > > > >> boundaries
                                  > > > >> are
                                  > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                  > cover-up,
                                  > > and
                                  > > > >> how
                                  > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                  > been
                                  > > > >> decided.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                  > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                  > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                  options
                                  > > in the
                                  > > > >> future.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                  > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                  beliefs?
                                  > He
                                  > > is
                                  > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                  > > Lincoln
                                  > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                  > > > >> figuratively?
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                  > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                  > > recognize
                                  > > > >> early
                                  > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                  > case,
                                  > > he
                                  > > > >> was
                                  > > > >> a
                                  > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                  life
                                  > > > >> circumstances
                                  > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                  human
                                  > > body
                                  > > > >> and
                                  > > > >> mind
                                  > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                  > > conclusion
                                  > > > >> that
                                  > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> The
                                  > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Issue 104,
                                  > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> Election
                                  > > > >> Results
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> As predicted by
                                  > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                  > > state by
                                  > > > >> state,
                                  > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                  > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                  > > ended up
                                  > > > >> in
                                  > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                  to
                                  > > the
                                  > > > >> actual
                                  > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                  > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                  > > > >>
                                  > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                  is
                                  > > Not
                                  > > > >> MOCKED!
                                  > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                  > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > ------------------------------------
                                  >
                                • masanga@talktalk.net
                                  Nathaniel, Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too. You say that I cannot be the same masanga who spoke to you about Barack Obama and that I must
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                                    Nathaniel,

                                    Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.

                                    You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                    Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know of
                                    me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                    whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                    multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                    must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                    only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.

                                    Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                    commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                    acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                    view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that he
                                    can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.

                                    But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                    know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to date
                                    it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery to
                                    me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                    business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                    commission without concerning myself with his too.

                                    Regan (masanga)


                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: nathaniel x vance
                                    To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                    Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                    masanga,
                                    Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                    what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                    masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                    you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                    At any rate, I wish you well.

                                    --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Nathaniel,
                                    >
                                    > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                    that my
                                    > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                    great
                                    > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                    > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                    knowledge,
                                    > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                    desires,
                                    > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                    as
                                    > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                    > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                    said
                                    > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                    And
                                    > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                    children to
                                    > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                    for
                                    > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                    long
                                    > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                    > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                    encouragement
                                    > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                    mental age
                                    > down to absolute zero in time.
                                    >
                                    > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                    break
                                    > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                    don't
                                    > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                    in the
                                    > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                    suggest
                                    > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                    >
                                    > Sincerely,
                                    > Regan (masanga)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Dear masanga,
                                    > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                    > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                    > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                    > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                    would
                                    > your answer be?
                                    > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                    > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                    Can
                                    > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                    a
                                    > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                    > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                    Obama,
                                    > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                    earth
                                    > would qualify.
                                    > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                    > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                    > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                    >
                                    > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                    > >
                                    > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                    > certain
                                    > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                    > > wicked...."
                                    > >
                                    > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                    > of our
                                    > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                    anyone
                                    > else
                                    > > in this respect.
                                    > >
                                    > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                    would
                                    > win
                                    > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                    > >
                                    > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                    > needing any
                                    > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                    > "seemingly
                                    > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                    > seemed to
                                    > > have a clear run to me.
                                    > >
                                    > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                    > >
                                    > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                    > about
                                    > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                    > >
                                    > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                    > praises
                                    > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                    > asssisted
                                    > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                    > protected
                                    > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                    > >
                                    > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                    > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                    > in
                                    > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                    > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                    up
                                    > to
                                    > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                    is
                                    > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                    > system
                                    > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                    where
                                    > the
                                    > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                    > the
                                    > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                    "Emperor").
                                    > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                    > office
                                    > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                    > for
                                    > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                    > >
                                    > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                    > She is
                                    > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                    > for the
                                    > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                    > >
                                    > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                    > I see
                                    > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                    > as you
                                    > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                    > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                    > think she
                                    > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                    > independent
                                    > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                    > the
                                    > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                    > anonymous
                                    > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                    > sheer
                                    > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                    > the
                                    > > terms.
                                    > >
                                    > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                    > and
                                    > > sconld...."
                                    > >
                                    > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                    > scold
                                    > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                    > and
                                    > > objectively.
                                    > >
                                    > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                    > morbid
                                    > > intransigence...."
                                    > >
                                    > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                    > compromise" and
                                    > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                    us
                                    > to
                                    > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                    > what
                                    > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                    > she
                                    > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                    price.
                                    > But
                                    > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                    > >
                                    > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    re-appearance
                                    > of
                                    > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                    > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    arguments."
                                    > >
                                    > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                    > we? Or
                                    > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                    > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                    > she has
                                    > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                    which
                                    > you
                                    > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                    > can
                                    > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                    > an
                                    > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                    > even
                                    > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                    > It is
                                    > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                    > to pay
                                    > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                    > high for
                                    > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                    > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                    own
                                    > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                    > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                    > lie the
                                    > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                    > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                    > >
                                    > > Regards,
                                    > > Regan
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                    > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                    > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                    > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                    the
                                    > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                    > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                    > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                    be
                                    > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                    team
                                    > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                    > this
                                    > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                    clock
                                    > > 24/7!!
                                    > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                    She
                                    > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                    > consciousness
                                    > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                    > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                    rediculed
                                    > > and sconld.
                                    > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                    > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                    > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                    > or
                                    > > less!
                                    > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                    arguments.
                                    > >
                                    > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                    > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                    > bitch
                                    > > at
                                    > > > times.
                                    > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                    me.
                                    > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                    slightest,
                                    > > the
                                    > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                    > count.
                                    > > And by
                                    > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                    > FANNIE
                                    > > mae,
                                    > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                    > > would
                                    > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                    money
                                    > > into
                                    > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                    > idea,
                                    > > and
                                    > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                    > > things.
                                    > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                    > name
                                    > > for
                                    > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                    > > friends.
                                    > > > Good to see you're back.
                                    > > > Later...
                                    > > > Ted
                                    > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > From: masanga@
                                    > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                    > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    [11-08-08]
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > > Hi Ted,
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                    > > to get
                                    > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                    > > eventually
                                    > > > > got
                                    > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                    me
                                    > in
                                    > > my
                                    > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                    days
                                    > > and was
                                    > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                    > > forum
                                    > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                    election
                                    > > of
                                    > > > > Barack
                                    > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                    > > them. The
                                    > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                    of
                                    > > joy in
                                    > > > > the
                                    > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                    new
                                    > > age has
                                    > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                    > > > > world-historic
                                    > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                    > here.
                                    > > Why
                                    > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                    > > election
                                    > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                    > > politicians
                                    > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                    view
                                    > > that
                                    > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                    > > constitutes
                                    > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                    > > the
                                    > > > > whole
                                    > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                    > > > > Lambremont
                                    > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                    to
                                    > > remove
                                    > > > > the
                                    > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                    > anything
                                    > > > > myself
                                    > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                    either.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                    > > found no
                                    > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                    myself
                                    > > from
                                    > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                    > > whenever I
                                    > > > > am
                                    > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                    > > that
                                    > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                    don't
                                    > > want to
                                    > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                    spectacle
                                    > > may be.
                                    > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                    the
                                    > > Zeta -
                                    > > > > on
                                    > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                    those
                                    > > among us
                                    > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                    it.
                                    > > So my
                                    > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                    warning
                                    > in
                                    > > > > fact -
                                    > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                    cult-building
                                    > > > > activity
                                    > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                    > their
                                    > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                    to
                                    > > do
                                    > > > > that
                                    > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                    > > natural
                                    > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                    > > now
                                    > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > Warm regards,
                                    > > > > Regan
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > From: Ted
                                    > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                    > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > [11-08-08]
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                    > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                    > > > > .
                                    > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > > From: masanga@
                                    > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                    > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                    > [11-08-08]
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                    > > words of
                                    > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                    is
                                    > > > >> reported
                                    > > > >> to have said:
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                    > > > >> fantasies
                                    > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> Regan
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                    > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                    > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                    > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                    > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                    > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> written
                                    > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                    > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                    he
                                    > > did on
                                    > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                    out
                                    > > in his
                                    > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                    > new
                                    > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                    > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                    > The
                                    > > Zetas
                                    > > > >> have
                                    > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                    > > would
                                    > > > >> like
                                    > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                    > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                    X,
                                    > > and if
                                    > > > >> so
                                    > > > >> was
                                    > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                    > > Friday the
                                    > > > >> CNN
                                    > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                    > > "pause"
                                    > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                    > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                    > declined
                                    > > to
                                    > > > >> comment.
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                    > consensus
                                    > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                    his
                                    > > heart
                                    > > > >> and
                                    > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                    > Obama
                                    > > looked
                                    > > > >> older
                                    > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                    the
                                    > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                    candidacy.
                                    > > Yet the
                                    > > > >> race
                                    > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                    > causing
                                    > > him
                                    > > > >> loss
                                    > > > >> of
                                    > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                    > > already
                                    > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                    world
                                    > > and
                                    > > > >> what
                                    > > > >> the
                                    > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                    also
                                    > > did not
                                    > > > >> learn
                                    > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                    > > company
                                    > > > >> crimes,
                                    > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                    > FBI
                                    > > and
                                    > > > >> the
                                    > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                    > > planetary
                                    > > > >> presence
                                    > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                    > had
                                    > > heard
                                    > > > >> the
                                    > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                    > relayed
                                    > > to
                                    > > > >> him
                                    > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                    > > confirmation.
                                    > > > >> Why would
                                    > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                    US
                                    > > > >> boundaries
                                    > > > >> are
                                    > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                    > cover-up,
                                    > > and
                                    > > > >> how
                                    > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                    > been
                                    > > > >> decided.
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                    > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                    > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                    options
                                    > > in the
                                    > > > >> future.
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                    > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                    beliefs?
                                    > He
                                    > > is
                                    > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                    > > Lincoln
                                    > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                    > > > >> figuratively?
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                    > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                    > > recognize
                                    > > > >> early
                                    > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                    > case,
                                    > > he
                                    > > > >> was
                                    > > > >> a
                                    > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                    life
                                    > > > >> circumstances
                                    > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                    human
                                    > > body
                                    > > > >> and
                                    > > > >> mind
                                    > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                    > > conclusion
                                    > > > >> that
                                    > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> The
                                    > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> Issue 104,
                                    > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> Election
                                    > > > >> Results
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> As predicted by
                                    > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                    > > state by
                                    > > > >> state,
                                    > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                    > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                    > > ended up
                                    > > > >> in
                                    > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                    to
                                    > > the
                                    > > > >> actual
                                    > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                    > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                    > > > >>
                                    > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                    is
                                    > > Not
                                    > > > >> MOCKED!
                                    > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                    > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > ------------------------------------
                                  • Ted
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                                      You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                                      head
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: <masanga@...>
                                      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                      Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                      > Nathaniel,
                                      >
                                      > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                      >
                                      > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                      > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                      > of
                                      > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                      > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                      > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                      > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                      > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                      >
                                      > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                      > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                      > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                      > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                      > he
                                      > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                      >
                                      > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                      > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                      > date
                                      > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                      > to
                                      > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                      > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                      > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                      >
                                      > Regan (masanga)
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > masanga,
                                      > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                      > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                      > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                      > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                      > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                      >
                                      > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                      >>
                                      >> Nathaniel,
                                      >>
                                      >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                      > that my
                                      >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                      > great
                                      >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                      >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                      > knowledge,
                                      >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                      > desires,
                                      >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                      > as
                                      >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                      >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                      > said
                                      >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                      > And
                                      >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                      > children to
                                      >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                      > for
                                      >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                      > long
                                      >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                      >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                      > encouragement
                                      >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                      > mental age
                                      >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                      >>
                                      >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                      > break
                                      >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                      > don't
                                      >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                      > in the
                                      >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                      > suggest
                                      >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                      >>
                                      >> Sincerely,
                                      >> Regan (masanga)
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >>
                                      >>
                                      >> Dear masanga,
                                      >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                      >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                      >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                      >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                      > would
                                      >> your answer be?
                                      >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                      >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                      > Can
                                      >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                      > a
                                      >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                      >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                      > Obama,
                                      >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                      > earth
                                      >> would qualify.
                                      >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                      >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                      >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                      >>
                                      >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                      >> certain
                                      >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                      >> > wicked...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                      >> of our
                                      >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                      > anyone
                                      >> else
                                      >> > in this respect.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                      > would
                                      >> win
                                      >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                      >> needing any
                                      >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                      >> "seemingly
                                      >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                      >> seemed to
                                      >> > have a clear run to me.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                      >> about
                                      >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                      >> praises
                                      >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                      >> asssisted
                                      >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                      >> protected
                                      >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                      >> >
                                      >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                      >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                      >> in
                                      >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                      >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                      > up
                                      >> to
                                      >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                      > is
                                      >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                      >> system
                                      >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                      > where
                                      >> the
                                      >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                      >> the
                                      >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                      > "Emperor").
                                      >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                      >> office
                                      >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                      >> for
                                      >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                      >> She is
                                      >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                      >> for the
                                      >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                      >> I see
                                      >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                      >> as you
                                      >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                      >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                      >> think she
                                      >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                      >> independent
                                      >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                      >> the
                                      >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                      >> anonymous
                                      >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                      >> sheer
                                      >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                      >> the
                                      >> > terms.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                      >> and
                                      >> > sconld...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                      >> scold
                                      >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                      >> and
                                      >> > objectively.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                      >> morbid
                                      >> > intransigence...."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                      >> compromise" and
                                      >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                      > us
                                      >> to
                                      >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                      >> what
                                      >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                      >> she
                                      >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                      > price.
                                      >> But
                                      >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      > re-appearance
                                      >> of
                                      >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                      >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      > arguments."
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                      >> we? Or
                                      >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                      >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                      >> she has
                                      >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                      > which
                                      >> you
                                      >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                      >> can
                                      >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                      >> an
                                      >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                      >> even
                                      >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                      >> It is
                                      >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                      >> to pay
                                      >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                      >> high for
                                      >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                      >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                      > own
                                      >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                      >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                      >> lie the
                                      >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                      >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Regards,
                                      >> > Regan
                                      >> >
                                      >> >
                                      >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                      >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >> >
                                      >> >
                                      >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                      >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                      >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                      > the
                                      >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                      >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                      >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                      > be
                                      >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                      > team
                                      >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                      >> this
                                      >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                      > clock
                                      >> > 24/7!!
                                      >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                      > She
                                      >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                      >> consciousness
                                      >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                      >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                      > rediculed
                                      >> > and sconld.
                                      >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                      >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                      >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                      >> or
                                      >> > less!
                                      >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                      > arguments.
                                      >> >
                                      >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                      >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                      >> bitch
                                      >> > at
                                      >> > > times.
                                      >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                      > me.
                                      >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                      > slightest,
                                      >> > the
                                      >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                      >> count.
                                      >> > And by
                                      >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                      >> FANNIE
                                      >> > mae,
                                      >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                      >> > would
                                      >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                      > money
                                      >> > into
                                      >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                      >> idea,
                                      >> > and
                                      >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                      >> > things.
                                      >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                      >> name
                                      >> > for
                                      >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                      >> > friends.
                                      >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                      >> > > Later...
                                      >> > > Ted
                                      >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > > From: masanga@
                                      >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                      >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      > [11-08-08]
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > >
                                      >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                      >> > to get
                                      >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                      >> > eventually
                                      >> > > > got
                                      >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                      > me
                                      >> in
                                      >> > my
                                      >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                      > days
                                      >> > and was
                                      >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                      >> > forum
                                      >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                      > election
                                      >> > of
                                      >> > > > Barack
                                      >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                      >> > them. The
                                      >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                      > of
                                      >> > joy in
                                      >> > > > the
                                      >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                      > new
                                      >> > age has
                                      >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                      >> > > > world-historic
                                      >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                      >> here.
                                      >> > Why
                                      >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                      >> > election
                                      >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                      >> > politicians
                                      >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                      > view
                                      >> > that
                                      >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                      >> > constitutes
                                      >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                      >> > the
                                      >> > > > whole
                                      >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                      >> > > > Lambremont
                                      >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                      > to
                                      >> > remove
                                      >> > > > the
                                      >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                      >> anything
                                      >> > > > myself
                                      >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                      > either.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                      >> > found no
                                      >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                      > myself
                                      >> > from
                                      >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                      >> > whenever I
                                      >> > > > am
                                      >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                      >> > that
                                      >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                      > don't
                                      >> > want to
                                      >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                      > spectacle
                                      >> > may be.
                                      >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                      > the
                                      >> > Zeta -
                                      >> > > > on
                                      >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                      > those
                                      >> > among us
                                      >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                      > it.
                                      >> > So my
                                      >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                      > warning
                                      >> in
                                      >> > > > fact -
                                      >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                      > cult-building
                                      >> > > > activity
                                      >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                      >> their
                                      >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                      > to
                                      >> > do
                                      >> > > > that
                                      >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                      >> > natural
                                      >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                      >> > now
                                      >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > Warm regards,
                                      >> > > > Regan
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > > > From: Ted
                                      >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                      >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      >> [11-08-08]
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                      >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                      >> > > > .
                                      >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > > > From: masanga@
                                      >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                      >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                      >> [11-08-08]
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                      >> > words of
                                      >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                      > is
                                      >> > > >> reported
                                      >> > > >> to have said:
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                      >> > > >> fantasies
                                      >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Regan
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                      >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                      >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                      >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                      >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                      >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                      >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> written
                                      >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                      >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                      > he
                                      >> > did on
                                      >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                      > out
                                      >> > in his
                                      >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                      >> new
                                      >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                      >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                      >> The
                                      >> > Zetas
                                      >> > > >> have
                                      >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                      >> > would
                                      >> > > >> like
                                      >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                      >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                      > X,
                                      >> > and if
                                      >> > > >> so
                                      >> > > >> was
                                      >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                      >> > Friday the
                                      >> > > >> CNN
                                      >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                      >> > "pause"
                                      >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                      >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                      >> declined
                                      >> > to
                                      >> > > >> comment.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                      >> consensus
                                      >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                      > his
                                      >> > heart
                                      >> > > >> and
                                      >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                      >> Obama
                                      >> > looked
                                      >> > > >> older
                                      >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                      > the
                                      >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                      > candidacy.
                                      >> > Yet the
                                      >> > > >> race
                                      >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                      >> causing
                                      >> > him
                                      >> > > >> loss
                                      >> > > >> of
                                      >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                      >> > already
                                      >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                      > world
                                      >> > and
                                      >> > > >> what
                                      >> > > >> the
                                      >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                      > also
                                      >> > did not
                                      >> > > >> learn
                                      >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                      >> > company
                                      >> > > >> crimes,
                                      >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                      >> FBI
                                      >> > and
                                      >> > > >> the
                                      >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                      >> > planetary
                                      >> > > >> presence
                                      >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                      >> had
                                      >> > heard
                                      >> > > >> the
                                      >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                      >> relayed
                                      >> > to
                                      >> > > >> him
                                      >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                      >> > confirmation.
                                      >> > > >> Why would
                                      >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                      > US
                                      >> > > >> boundaries
                                      >> > > >> are
                                      >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                      >> cover-up,
                                      >> > and
                                      >> > > >> how
                                      >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                      >> been
                                      >> > > >> decided.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                      >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                      >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                      > options
                                      >> > in the
                                      >> > > >> future.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                      >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                      > beliefs?
                                      >> He
                                      >> > is
                                      >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                      >> > Lincoln
                                      >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                      >> > > >> figuratively?
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                      >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                      >> > recognize
                                      >> > > >> early
                                      >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                      >> case,
                                      >> > he
                                      >> > > >> was
                                      >> > > >> a
                                      >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                      > life
                                      >> > > >> circumstances
                                      >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                      > human
                                      >> > body
                                      >> > > >> and
                                      >> > > >> mind
                                      >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                      >> > conclusion
                                      >> > > >> that
                                      >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> The
                                      >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                      >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> Election
                                      >> > > >> Results
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> As predicted by
                                      >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                      >> > state by
                                      >> > > >> state,
                                      >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                      >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                      >> > ended up
                                      >> > > >> in
                                      >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                      > to
                                      >> > the
                                      >> > > >> actual
                                      >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                      >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                      >> > > >>
                                      >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                      > is
                                      >> > Not
                                      >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                      >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                      >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > >
                                      >> > > > ------------------------------------
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                                    • masanga@talktalk.net
                                      I wouldn t presume to know, Ted. ;-) But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually understood any of the points that I made in that post.
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                                        I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)

                                        But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                                        understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to be
                                        clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                                        appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                                        concerned.

                                        However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                                        obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that he
                                        should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.


                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Ted
                                        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                        You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching his
                                        head
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: <masanga@...>
                                        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                        > Nathaniel,
                                        >
                                        > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                        >
                                        > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                        > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                        > of
                                        > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                        > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                        > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                        > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I have
                                        > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                        >
                                        > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                        > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                        > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in my
                                        > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                        > he
                                        > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                        >
                                        > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                        > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                        > date
                                        > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                        > to
                                        > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                        > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                        > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                        >
                                        > Regan (masanga)
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > ----- Original Message -----
                                        > From: nathaniel x vance
                                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > masanga,
                                        > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                        > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                        > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                        > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                        > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                        >
                                        > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                        >>
                                        >> Nathaniel,
                                        >>
                                        >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                        > that my
                                        >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                        > great
                                        >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                        >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                        > knowledge,
                                        >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                        > desires,
                                        >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                        > as
                                        >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                        >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                        > said
                                        >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                        > And
                                        >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                        > children to
                                        >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                        > for
                                        >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                        > long
                                        >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                        >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                        > encouragement
                                        >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                        > mental age
                                        >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                        >>
                                        >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                        > break
                                        >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                        > don't
                                        >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                        > in the
                                        >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                        > suggest
                                        >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                        >>
                                        >> Sincerely,
                                        >> Regan (masanga)
                                        >>
                                        >>
                                        >> ----- Original Message -----
                                        >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                        >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                        >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >>
                                        >>
                                        >> Dear masanga,
                                        >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                        >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                        >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                        >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                        > would
                                        >> your answer be?
                                        >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                        >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                        > Can
                                        >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                        > a
                                        >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                        >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                        > Obama,
                                        >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                        > earth
                                        >> would qualify.
                                        >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                        >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                        >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                        >>
                                        >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                        >> >
                                        >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                        >> >
                                        >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                        >> certain
                                        >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                        >> > wicked...."
                                        >> >
                                        >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                        >> of our
                                        >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                        > anyone
                                        >> else
                                        >> > in this respect.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                        > would
                                        >> win
                                        >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                        >> >
                                        >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                        >> needing any
                                        >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                        >> "seemingly
                                        >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                        >> seemed to
                                        >> > have a clear run to me.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                        >> >
                                        >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                        >> about
                                        >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                        >> praises
                                        >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                        >> asssisted
                                        >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                        >> protected
                                        >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                        >> >
                                        >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                        >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                        >> in
                                        >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                        >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                        > up
                                        >> to
                                        >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                        > is
                                        >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                        >> system
                                        >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                        > where
                                        >> the
                                        >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                        >> the
                                        >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                        > "Emperor").
                                        >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                        >> office
                                        >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                        >> for
                                        >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                        >> She is
                                        >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                        >> for the
                                        >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                        >> >
                                        >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                        >> I see
                                        >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                        >> as you
                                        >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                        >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                        >> think she
                                        >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                        >> independent
                                        >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                        >> the
                                        >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                        >> anonymous
                                        >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                        >> sheer
                                        >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                        >> the
                                        >> > terms.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                        >> and
                                        >> > sconld...."
                                        >> >
                                        >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                        >> scold
                                        >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                        >> and
                                        >> > objectively.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                        >> morbid
                                        >> > intransigence...."
                                        >> >
                                        >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                        >> compromise" and
                                        >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                        > us
                                        >> to
                                        >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                        >> what
                                        >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                        >> she
                                        >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                        > price.
                                        >> But
                                        >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                        > re-appearance
                                        >> of
                                        >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                        >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                        > arguments."
                                        >> >
                                        >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                        >> we? Or
                                        >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                        >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                        >> she has
                                        >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                        > which
                                        >> you
                                        >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                        >> can
                                        >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                        >> an
                                        >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                        >> even
                                        >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                        >> It is
                                        >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                        >> to pay
                                        >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                        >> high for
                                        >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                        >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                        > own
                                        >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                        >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                        >> lie the
                                        >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                        >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > Regards,
                                        >> > Regan
                                        >> >
                                        >> >
                                        >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                        >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                        >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                        >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >> >
                                        >> >
                                        >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                        >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                        >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                        > the
                                        >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                        >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                        >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                        > be
                                        >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                        > team
                                        >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                        >> this
                                        >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                        > clock
                                        >> > 24/7!!
                                        >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                        > She
                                        >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                        >> consciousness
                                        >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                        >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                        > rediculed
                                        >> > and sconld.
                                        >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                        >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                        >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                        >> or
                                        >> > less!
                                        >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                        > arguments.
                                        >> >
                                        >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                        >> > >
                                        >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                        >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                        >> bitch
                                        >> > at
                                        >> > > times.
                                        >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                        > me.
                                        >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                        > slightest,
                                        >> > the
                                        >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                        >> count.
                                        >> > And by
                                        >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                        >> > >
                                        >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                        >> FANNIE
                                        >> > mae,
                                        >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                        >> > would
                                        >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                        > money
                                        >> > into
                                        >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                        >> idea,
                                        >> > and
                                        >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                        >> > things.
                                        >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                        >> name
                                        >> > for
                                        >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                        >> > friends.
                                        >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                        >> > > Later...
                                        >> > > Ted
                                        >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        >> > > From: masanga@
                                        >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                        >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        > [11-08-08]
                                        >> > >
                                        >> > >
                                        >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                        >> > to get
                                        >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                        >> > eventually
                                        >> > > > got
                                        >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                        > me
                                        >> in
                                        >> > my
                                        >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                        > days
                                        >> > and was
                                        >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                        >> > forum
                                        >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                        > election
                                        >> > of
                                        >> > > > Barack
                                        >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                        >> > them. The
                                        >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                        > of
                                        >> > joy in
                                        >> > > > the
                                        >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                        > new
                                        >> > age has
                                        >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                        >> > > > world-historic
                                        >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                        >> here.
                                        >> > Why
                                        >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                        >> > election
                                        >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                        >> > politicians
                                        >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                        > view
                                        >> > that
                                        >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                        >> > constitutes
                                        >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                        >> > the
                                        >> > > > whole
                                        >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                        >> > > > Lambremont
                                        >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                        > to
                                        >> > remove
                                        >> > > > the
                                        >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                        >> anything
                                        >> > > > myself
                                        >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                        > either.
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                        >> > found no
                                        >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                        > myself
                                        >> > from
                                        >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                        >> > whenever I
                                        >> > > > am
                                        >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                        >> > that
                                        >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                        > don't
                                        >> > want to
                                        >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                        > spectacle
                                        >> > may be.
                                        >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                        > the
                                        >> > Zeta -
                                        >> > > > on
                                        >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                        > those
                                        >> > among us
                                        >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                        > it.
                                        >> > So my
                                        >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                        > warning
                                        >> in
                                        >> > > > fact -
                                        >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                        > cult-building
                                        >> > > > activity
                                        >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                        >> their
                                        >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                        > to
                                        >> > do
                                        >> > > > that
                                        >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                        >> > natural
                                        >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                        >> > now
                                        >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > > Warm regards,
                                        >> > > > Regan
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        >> > > > From: Ted
                                        >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                        >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        >> [11-08-08]
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                        >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                        >> > > > .
                                        >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                        >> > > > From: masanga@
                                        >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                        >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                        >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                        >> [11-08-08]
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                        >> > words of
                                        >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                        > is
                                        >> > > >> reported
                                        >> > > >> to have said:
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                        >> > > >> fantasies
                                        >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> Regan
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                        >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                        >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                        >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                        >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                        >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                        >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> written
                                        >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                        >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                        > he
                                        >> > did on
                                        >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                        > out
                                        >> > in his
                                        >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                        >> new
                                        >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                        >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                        >> The
                                        >> > Zetas
                                        >> > > >> have
                                        >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                        >> > would
                                        >> > > >> like
                                        >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                        >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                        > X,
                                        >> > and if
                                        >> > > >> so
                                        >> > > >> was
                                        >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                        >> > Friday the
                                        >> > > >> CNN
                                        >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                        >> > "pause"
                                        >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                        >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                        >> declined
                                        >> > to
                                        >> > > >> comment.
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                        >> consensus
                                        >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                        > his
                                        >> > heart
                                        >> > > >> and
                                        >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                        >> Obama
                                        >> > looked
                                        >> > > >> older
                                        >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                        > the
                                        >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                        > candidacy.
                                        >> > Yet the
                                        >> > > >> race
                                        >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                        >> causing
                                        >> > him
                                        >> > > >> loss
                                        >> > > >> of
                                        >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                        >> > already
                                        >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                        > world
                                        >> > and
                                        >> > > >> what
                                        >> > > >> the
                                        >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                        > also
                                        >> > did not
                                        >> > > >> learn
                                        >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                        >> > company
                                        >> > > >> crimes,
                                        >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                        >> FBI
                                        >> > and
                                        >> > > >> the
                                        >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                        >> > planetary
                                        >> > > >> presence
                                        >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                        >> had
                                        >> > heard
                                        >> > > >> the
                                        >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                        >> relayed
                                        >> > to
                                        >> > > >> him
                                        >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                        >> > confirmation.
                                        >> > > >> Why would
                                        >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                        > US
                                        >> > > >> boundaries
                                        >> > > >> are
                                        >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                        >> cover-up,
                                        >> > and
                                        >> > > >> how
                                        >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                        >> been
                                        >> > > >> decided.
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                        >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                        >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                        > options
                                        >> > in the
                                        >> > > >> future.
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                        >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                        > beliefs?
                                        >> He
                                        >> > is
                                        >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                        >> > Lincoln
                                        >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                        >> > > >> figuratively?
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                        >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                        >> > recognize
                                        >> > > >> early
                                        >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                        >> case,
                                        >> > he
                                        >> > > >> was
                                        >> > > >> a
                                        >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                        > life
                                        >> > > >> circumstances
                                        >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                        > human
                                        >> > body
                                        >> > > >> and
                                        >> > > >> mind
                                        >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                        >> > conclusion
                                        >> > > >> that
                                        >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> The
                                        >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                        >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> Election
                                        >> > > >> Results
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> As predicted by
                                        >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                        >> > state by
                                        >> > > >> state,
                                        >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                        >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                        >> > ended up
                                        >> > > >> in
                                        >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                        > to
                                        >> > the
                                        >> > > >> actual
                                        >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                        >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                        >> > > >>
                                        >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                        > is
                                        >> > Not
                                        >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                        >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                        >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > >
                                        >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                      • Ted
                                        Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with Nancy s groupies. He s worse than a pimple that just won t go away.. Dance if you want.
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                                          Had you ever thought that this Nathaniel is covert and not even with
                                          Nancy's groupies.
                                          He's worse than a pimple that just won't go away..
                                          Dance if you want. I enjoy the way you can strip the JOKER to show he's
                                          wearing no close
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: <masanga@...>
                                          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                          Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:59 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                          > I wouldn't presume to know, Ted. ;-)
                                          >
                                          > But I must admit that I would be surprised if Nathaniel actually
                                          > understood any of the points that I made in that post. His mind seems to
                                          > be
                                          > clinging like a barnacle to his sacrosanct beliefs, although his beliefs
                                          > appear contradictory in places to me, especially where Planet X is
                                          > concerned.
                                          >
                                          > However, they are his mental issues and if he is happy to have them
                                          > obstructing his channels of perception then it is not for me to say that
                                          > he
                                          > should clear them out. If he wants to be a barnacle that's OK by me.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: Ted
                                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 1:55 AM
                                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while scratching
                                          > his
                                          > head
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: <masanga@...>
                                          > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                          > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >> Nathaniel,
                                          >>
                                          >> Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                          >>
                                          >> You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you about
                                          >> Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you know
                                          >> of
                                          >> me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                          >> whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                          >> multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective universe, I
                                          >> must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                          >> have
                                          >> only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                          >>
                                          >> Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special divine
                                          >> commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                          >> acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However, in
                                          >> my
                                          >> view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only that
                                          >> he
                                          >> can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                          >>
                                          >> But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not presume to
                                          >> know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                          >> date
                                          >> it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a mystery
                                          >> to
                                          >> me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                          >> business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own divine
                                          >> commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                          >>
                                          >> Regan (masanga)
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                                          >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                          >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          >> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                          >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          >>
                                          >>
                                          >> masanga,
                                          >> Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                          >> what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                          >> masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                          >> you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                          >> At any rate, I wish you well.
                                          >>
                                          >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Nathaniel,
                                          >>>
                                          >>> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                          >> that my
                                          >>> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                          >> great
                                          >>> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                          >>> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                          >> knowledge,
                                          >>> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                          >> desires,
                                          >>> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see things
                                          >> as
                                          >>> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic will
                                          >>> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                          >> said
                                          >>> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                          >> And
                                          >>> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                          >> children to
                                          >>> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank you
                                          >> for
                                          >>> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have worked
                                          >> long
                                          >>> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is both
                                          >>> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                          >> encouragement
                                          >>> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                          >> mental age
                                          >>> down to absolute zero in time.
                                          >>>
                                          >>> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                          >> break
                                          >>> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                          >> don't
                                          >>> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to me
                                          >> in the
                                          >>> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                          >> suggest
                                          >>> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting up.
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Sincerely,
                                          >>> Regan (masanga)
                                          >>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                          >>> From: nathaniel x vance
                                          >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          >>> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                          >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          >>>
                                          >>>
                                          >>> Dear masanga,
                                          >>> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will answer
                                          >>> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                          >>> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of our
                                          >>> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                          >> would
                                          >>> your answer be?
                                          >>> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that before
                                          >>> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                          >> Can
                                          >>> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you see
                                          >> a
                                          >>> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the details
                                          >>> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                          >> Obama,
                                          >>> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                          >> earth
                                          >>> would qualify.
                                          >>> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                          >>> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                          >>> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                          >>>
                                          >>> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                          >>> certain
                                          >>> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the greedy
                                          >>> > wicked...."
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                          >>> of our
                                          >>> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                          >> anyone
                                          >>> else
                                          >>> > in this respect.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                          >> would
                                          >>> win
                                          >>> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                          >>> needing any
                                          >>> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                          >>> "seemingly
                                          >>> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                          >>> seemed to
                                          >>> > have a clear run to me.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                          >>> about
                                          >>> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                          >>> praises
                                          >>> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                          >>> asssisted
                                          >>> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                          >>> protected
                                          >>> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                          >>> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there really
                                          >>> in
                                          >>> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and dominance?
                                          >>> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                          >> up
                                          >>> to
                                          >>> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                          >> is
                                          >>> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact a
                                          >>> system
                                          >>> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                          >> where
                                          >>> the
                                          >>> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to become
                                          >>> the
                                          >>> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                          >> "Emperor").
                                          >>> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                          >>> office
                                          >>> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive credit
                                          >>> for
                                          >>> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to me.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                          >>> She is
                                          >>> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                          >>> for the
                                          >>> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                          >>> I see
                                          >>> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may be
                                          >>> as you
                                          >>> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness for
                                          >>> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                          >>> think she
                                          >>> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                          >>> independent
                                          >>> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is asserting
                                          >>> the
                                          >>> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                          >>> anonymous
                                          >>> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it on
                                          >>> sheer
                                          >>> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition of
                                          >>> the
                                          >>> > terms.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being rediculed
                                          >>> and
                                          >>> > sconld...."
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                          >>> scold
                                          >>> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing, impartially
                                          >>> and
                                          >>> > objectively.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                          >>> morbid
                                          >>> > intransigence...."
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                          >>> compromise" and
                                          >>> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                          >> us
                                          >>> to
                                          >>> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I wonder
                                          >>> what
                                          >>> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                          >>> she
                                          >>> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                          >> price.
                                          >>> But
                                          >>> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not ours.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                          >> re-appearance
                                          >>> of
                                          >>> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                          >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                          >> arguments."
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                          >>> we? Or
                                          >>> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her absurd
                                          >>> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003 which
                                          >>> she has
                                          >>> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                          >> which
                                          >>> you
                                          >>> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how she
                                          >>> can
                                          >>> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back into
                                          >>> an
                                          >>> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                          >>> even
                                          >>> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational intelligence?
                                          >>> It is
                                          >>> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be willing
                                          >>> to pay
                                          >>> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                          >>> high for
                                          >>> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own "full
                                          >>> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                          >> own
                                          >>> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                          >>> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and a
                                          >>> lie the
                                          >>> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                          >>> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Regards,
                                          >>> > Regan
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > ----- Original Message -----
                                          >>> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                          >>> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          >>> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                          >>> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                          >>> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                          >>> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                          >> the
                                          >>> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that
                                          >>> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against
                                          >>> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit should
                                          >> be
                                          >>> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                          >> team
                                          >>> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                          >>> this
                                          >>> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                          >> clock
                                          >>> > 24/7!!
                                          >>> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                          >> She
                                          >>> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                          >>> consciousness
                                          >>> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                          >>> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                          >> rediculed
                                          >>> > and sconld.
                                          >>> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our morbid
                                          >>> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                          >>> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years
                                          >>> or
                                          >>> > less!
                                          >>> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                          >> arguments.
                                          >>> >
                                          >>> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                          >>> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                          >>> bitch
                                          >>> > at
                                          >>> > > times.
                                          >>> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                          >> me.
                                          >>> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                          >> slightest,
                                          >>> > the
                                          >>> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                          >>> count.
                                          >>> > And by
                                          >>> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                          >>> FANNIE
                                          >>> > mae,
                                          >>> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up. One
                                          >>> > would
                                          >>> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                          >> money
                                          >>> > into
                                          >>> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                          >>> idea,
                                          >>> > and
                                          >>> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the damn
                                          >>> > things.
                                          >>> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                          >>> name
                                          >>> > for
                                          >>> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                          >>> > friends.
                                          >>> > > Good to see you're back.
                                          >>> > > Later...
                                          >>> > > Ted
                                          >>> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          >>> > > From: masanga@
                                          >>> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          >>> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                          >>> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          >> [11-08-08]
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > >
                                          >>> > > > Hi Ted,
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                          >>> > to get
                                          >>> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                          >>> > eventually
                                          >>> > > > got
                                          >>> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                          >> me
                                          >>> in
                                          >>> > my
                                          >>> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                          >> days
                                          >>> > and was
                                          >>> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on this
                                          >>> > forum
                                          >>> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                          >> election
                                          >>> > of
                                          >>> > > > Barack
                                          >>> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous of
                                          >>> > them. The
                                          >>> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                          >> of
                                          >>> > joy in
                                          >>> > > > the
                                          >>> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                          >> new
                                          >>> > age has
                                          >>> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                          >>> > > > world-historic
                                          >>> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                          >>> here.
                                          >>> > Why
                                          >>> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                          >>> > election
                                          >>> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                          >>> > politicians
                                          >>> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                          >> view
                                          >>> > that
                                          >>> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                          >>> > constitutes
                                          >>> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts in
                                          >>> > the
                                          >>> > > > whole
                                          >>> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was Alfred
                                          >>> > > > Lambremont
                                          >>> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                          >> to
                                          >>> > remove
                                          >>> > > > the
                                          >>> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                          >>> anything
                                          >>> > > > myself
                                          >>> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                          >> either.
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                          >>> > found no
                                          >>> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                          >> myself
                                          >>> > from
                                          >>> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                          >>> > whenever I
                                          >>> > > > am
                                          >>> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already performed
                                          >>> > that
                                          >>> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                          >> don't
                                          >>> > want to
                                          >>> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                          >> spectacle
                                          >>> > may be.
                                          >>> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                          >> the
                                          >>> > Zeta -
                                          >>> > > > on
                                          >>> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                          >> those
                                          >>> > among us
                                          >>> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                          >> it.
                                          >>> > So my
                                          >>> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                          >> warning
                                          >>> in
                                          >>> > > > fact -
                                          >>> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                          >> cult-building
                                          >>> > > > activity
                                          >>> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                          >>> their
                                          >>> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their freedom
                                          >> to
                                          >>> > do
                                          >>> > > > that
                                          >>> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                          >>> > natural
                                          >>> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                          >>> > now
                                          >>> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > Warm regards,
                                          >>> > > > Regan
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          >>> > > > From: Ted
                                          >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          >>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                          >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          >>> [11-08-08]
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                          >>> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                          >>> > > > .
                                          >>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                          >>> > > > From: masanga@
                                          >>> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                          >>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                          >>> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                          >>> [11-08-08]
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                          >>> > words of
                                          >>> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi, who
                                          >> is
                                          >>> > > >> reported
                                          >>> > > >> to have said:
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                          >>> > > >> fantasies
                                          >>> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> Regan
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                          >>> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                          >>> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                          >>> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                          >>> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                          >>> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                          >>> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> written
                                          >>> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                          >>> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                          >> he
                                          >>> > did on
                                          >>> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                          >> out
                                          >>> > in his
                                          >>> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is the
                                          >>> new
                                          >>> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                          >>> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole shift?
                                          >>> The
                                          >>> > Zetas
                                          >>> > > >> have
                                          >>> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another] I
                                          >>> > would
                                          >>> > > >> like
                                          >>> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                          >>> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                          >> X,
                                          >>> > and if
                                          >>> > > >> so
                                          >>> > > >> was
                                          >>> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                          >>> > Friday the
                                          >>> > > >> CNN
                                          >>> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                          >>> > "pause"
                                          >>> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov 4th
                                          >>> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                          >>> declined
                                          >>> > to
                                          >>> > > >> comment.
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                          >>> consensus
                                          >>> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                          >> his
                                          >>> > heart
                                          >>> > > >> and
                                          >>> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                          >>> Obama
                                          >>> > looked
                                          >>> > > >> older
                                          >>> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                          >> the
                                          >>> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                          >> candidacy.
                                          >>> > Yet the
                                          >>> > > >> race
                                          >>> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                          >>> causing
                                          >>> > him
                                          >>> > > >> loss
                                          >>> > > >> of
                                          >>> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did not
                                          >>> > already
                                          >>> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                          >> world
                                          >>> > and
                                          >>> > > >> what
                                          >>> > > >> the
                                          >>> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                          >> also
                                          >>> > did not
                                          >>> > > >> learn
                                          >>> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                          >>> > company
                                          >>> > > >> crimes,
                                          >>> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of the
                                          >>> FBI
                                          >>> > and
                                          >>> > > >> the
                                          >>> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                          >>> > planetary
                                          >>> > > >> presence
                                          >>> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined. He
                                          >>> had
                                          >>> > heard
                                          >>> > > >> the
                                          >>> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                          >>> relayed
                                          >>> > to
                                          >>> > > >> him
                                          >>> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                          >>> > confirmation.
                                          >>> > > >> Why would
                                          >>> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                          >> US
                                          >>> > > >> boundaries
                                          >>> > > >> are
                                          >>> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                          >>> cover-up,
                                          >>> > and
                                          >>> > > >> how
                                          >>> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                          >>> been
                                          >>> > > >> decided.
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                          >>> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                          >>> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                          >> options
                                          >>> > in the
                                          >>> > > >> future.
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                          >>> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                          >> beliefs?
                                          >>> He
                                          >>> > is
                                          >>> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama is
                                          >>> > Lincoln
                                          >>> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                          >>> > > >> figuratively?
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                          >>> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                          >>> > recognize
                                          >>> > > >> early
                                          >>> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                          >>> case,
                                          >>> > he
                                          >>> > > >> was
                                          >>> > > >> a
                                          >>> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                          >> life
                                          >>> > > >> circumstances
                                          >>> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                          >> human
                                          >>> > body
                                          >>> > > >> and
                                          >>> > > >> mind
                                          >>> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                          >>> > conclusion
                                          >>> > > >> that
                                          >>> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> The
                                          >>> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> Issue 104,
                                          >>> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> Election
                                          >>> > > >> Results
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> As predicted by
                                          >>> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated result,
                                          >>> > state by
                                          >>> > > >> state,
                                          >>> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                          >>> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to McCain
                                          >>> > ended up
                                          >>> > > >> in
                                          >>> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                          >> to
                                          >>> > the
                                          >>> > > >> actual
                                          >>> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                          >>> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                          >>> > > >>
                                          >>> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS - GOD
                                          >> is
                                          >>> > Not
                                          >>> > > >> MOCKED!
                                          >>> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                          >>> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > >
                                          >>> > > > ------------------------------------
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ------------------------------------
                                          >
                                          > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                        • nathaniel x vance
                                          Dear Brother masanga, Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now,
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                                            Dear Brother masanga,
                                            Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                            and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                            you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                            rebellion out in me.
                                            Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                            COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                            like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                            higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                            help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                            renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                            higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                            co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                            Please pardon me.

                                            --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > Nathaniel,
                                            >
                                            > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                            >
                                            > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                            about
                                            > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                            know of
                                            > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                            > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                            > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                            universe, I
                                            > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                            have
                                            > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                            >
                                            > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                            divine
                                            > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                            > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                            in my
                                            > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                            that he
                                            > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                            >
                                            > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                            presume to
                                            > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                            date
                                            > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                            mystery to
                                            > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                            > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                            divine
                                            > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                            >
                                            > Regan (masanga)
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > masanga,
                                            > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                            > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                            > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                            > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                            > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                            >
                                            > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > > Nathaniel,
                                            > >
                                            > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                            > that my
                                            > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                            > great
                                            > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                            > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                            > knowledge,
                                            > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                            > desires,
                                            > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                            things
                                            > as
                                            > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                            will
                                            > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                            > said
                                            > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                            > And
                                            > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                            > children to
                                            > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                            you
                                            > for
                                            > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                            worked
                                            > long
                                            > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                            both
                                            > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                            > encouragement
                                            > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                            > mental age
                                            > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                            > >
                                            > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                            > break
                                            > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                            > don't
                                            > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                            me
                                            > in the
                                            > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                            > suggest
                                            > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                            up.
                                            > >
                                            > > Sincerely,
                                            > > Regan (masanga)
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                            > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > Dear masanga,
                                            > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                            answer
                                            > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                            > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                            our
                                            > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                            > would
                                            > > your answer be?
                                            > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                            before
                                            > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                            > Can
                                            > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                            see
                                            > a
                                            > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                            details
                                            > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                            > Obama,
                                            > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                            > earth
                                            > > would qualify.
                                            > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                            > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                            > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                            a
                                            > > certain
                                            > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                            greedy
                                            > > > wicked...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                            > > of our
                                            > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                            > anyone
                                            > > else
                                            > > > in this respect.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                            > would
                                            > > win
                                            > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                            > > needing any
                                            > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                            > > "seemingly
                                            > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                            > > seemed to
                                            > > > have a clear run to me.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                            > > about
                                            > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                            > > praises
                                            > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                            > > asssisted
                                            > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                            > > protected
                                            > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                            > > >
                                            > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                            > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                            really
                                            > > in
                                            > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                            dominance?
                                            > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                            > up
                                            > > to
                                            > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                            > is
                                            > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                            a
                                            > > system
                                            > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                            > where
                                            > > the
                                            > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                            become
                                            > > the
                                            > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                            > "Emperor").
                                            > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                            > > office
                                            > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                            credit
                                            > > for
                                            > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                            me.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                            cult!
                                            > > She is
                                            > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                            consciousness
                                            > > for the
                                            > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                            > > I see
                                            > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                            be
                                            > > as you
                                            > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                            for
                                            > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                            > > think she
                                            > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                            > > independent
                                            > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                            asserting
                                            > > the
                                            > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                            > > anonymous
                                            > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                            on
                                            > > sheer
                                            > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                            of
                                            > > the
                                            > > > terms.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                            rediculed
                                            > > and
                                            > > > sconld...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                            > > scold
                                            > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                            impartially
                                            > > and
                                            > > > objectively.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                            > > morbid
                                            > > > intransigence...."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                            > > compromise" and
                                            > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                            > us
                                            > > to
                                            > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                            wonder
                                            > > what
                                            > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                            > > she
                                            > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                            > price.
                                            > > But
                                            > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                            ours.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                            > re-appearance
                                            > > of
                                            > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                            > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                            > arguments."
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                            > > we? Or
                                            > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                            absurd
                                            > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                            which
                                            > > she has
                                            > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                            > which
                                            > > you
                                            > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                            she
                                            > > can
                                            > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                            into
                                            > > an
                                            > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                            > > even
                                            > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                            intelligence?
                                            > > It is
                                            > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                            willing
                                            > > to pay
                                            > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                            > > high for
                                            > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                            "full
                                            > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                            > own
                                            > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                            > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                            a
                                            > > lie the
                                            > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                            > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Regards,
                                            > > > Regan
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                            > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            [11-08-08]
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                            > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                            > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                            > the
                                            > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                            that
                                            > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                            against
                                            > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                            should
                                            > be
                                            > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                            > team
                                            > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                            > > this
                                            > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                            > clock
                                            > > > 24/7!!
                                            > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                            > She
                                            > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                            > > consciousness
                                            > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                            > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                            > rediculed
                                            > > > and sconld.
                                            > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                            morbid
                                            > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                            > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                            years
                                            > > or
                                            > > > less!
                                            > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                            > arguments.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                            > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                            > > bitch
                                            > > > at
                                            > > > > times.
                                            > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                            > me.
                                            > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                            > slightest,
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                            > > count.
                                            > > > And by
                                            > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                            > > FANNIE
                                            > > > mae,
                                            > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                            One
                                            > > > would
                                            > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                            > money
                                            > > > into
                                            > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                            > > idea,
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                            damn
                                            > > > things.
                                            > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                            > > name
                                            > > > for
                                            > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                            > > > friends.
                                            > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                            > > > > Later...
                                            > > > > Ted
                                            > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > From: masanga@
                                            > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                            > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            > [11-08-08]
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                            > > > to get
                                            > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                            > > > eventually
                                            > > > > > got
                                            > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                            > me
                                            > > in
                                            > > > my
                                            > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                            > days
                                            > > > and was
                                            > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                            this
                                            > > > forum
                                            > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                            > election
                                            > > > of
                                            > > > > > Barack
                                            > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                            of
                                            > > > them. The
                                            > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                            > of
                                            > > > joy in
                                            > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                            > new
                                            > > > age has
                                            > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                            > > > > > world-historic
                                            > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                            > > here.
                                            > > > Why
                                            > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                            > > > election
                                            > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                            > > > politicians
                                            > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                            > view
                                            > > > that
                                            > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                            > > > constitutes
                                            > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                            in
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > > whole
                                            > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                            Alfred
                                            > > > > > Lambremont
                                            > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                            > to
                                            > > > remove
                                            > > > > > the
                                            > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                            > > anything
                                            > > > > > myself
                                            > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                            > either.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                            > > > found no
                                            > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                            > myself
                                            > > > from
                                            > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                            > > > whenever I
                                            > > > > > am
                                            > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                            performed
                                            > > > that
                                            > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                            > don't
                                            > > > want to
                                            > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                            > spectacle
                                            > > > may be.
                                            > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                            > the
                                            > > > Zeta -
                                            > > > > > on
                                            > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                            > those
                                            > > > among us
                                            > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                            > it.
                                            > > > So my
                                            > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                            > warning
                                            > > in
                                            > > > > > fact -
                                            > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                            > cult-building
                                            > > > > > activity
                                            > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                            > > their
                                            > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                            freedom
                                            > to
                                            > > > do
                                            > > > > > that
                                            > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                            > > > natural
                                            > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                            > > > now
                                            > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > Warm regards,
                                            > > > > > Regan
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > > From: Ted
                                            > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            > > [11-08-08]
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                            > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                            > > > > > .
                                            > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > > From: masanga@
                                            > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                            > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            > > [11-08-08]
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                            > > > words of
                                            > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                            who
                                            > is
                                            > > > > >> reported
                                            > > > > >> to have said:
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                            > > > > >> fantasies
                                            > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Regan
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                            > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                            > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                            ;
                                            > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                            > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                            > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                            [11-08-08]
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                            > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> written
                                            > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                            > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                            > he
                                            > > > did on
                                            > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                            > out
                                            > > > in his
                                            > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                            the
                                            > > new
                                            > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                            > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                            shift?
                                            > > The
                                            > > > Zetas
                                            > > > > >> have
                                            > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                            I
                                            > > > would
                                            > > > > >> like
                                            > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                            > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                            > X,
                                            > > > and if
                                            > > > > >> so
                                            > > > > >> was
                                            > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                            > > > Friday the
                                            > > > > >> CNN
                                            > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                            > > > "pause"
                                            > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                            4th
                                            > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                            > > declined
                                            > > > to
                                            > > > > >> comment.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                            > > consensus
                                            > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                            > his
                                            > > > heart
                                            > > > > >> and
                                            > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                            > > Obama
                                            > > > looked
                                            > > > > >> older
                                            > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                            > the
                                            > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                            > candidacy.
                                            > > > Yet the
                                            > > > > >> race
                                            > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                            > > causing
                                            > > > him
                                            > > > > >> loss
                                            > > > > >> of
                                            > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                            not
                                            > > > already
                                            > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                            > world
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > >> what
                                            > > > > >> the
                                            > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                            > also
                                            > > > did not
                                            > > > > >> learn
                                            > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                            > > > company
                                            > > > > >> crimes,
                                            > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                            the
                                            > > FBI
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > >> the
                                            > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                            > > > planetary
                                            > > > > >> presence
                                            > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                            He
                                            > > had
                                            > > > heard
                                            > > > > >> the
                                            > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                            > > relayed
                                            > > > to
                                            > > > > >> him
                                            > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                            > > > confirmation.
                                            > > > > >> Why would
                                            > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                            > US
                                            > > > > >> boundaries
                                            > > > > >> are
                                            > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                            > > cover-up,
                                            > > > and
                                            > > > > >> how
                                            > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                            > > been
                                            > > > > >> decided.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                            > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                            > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                            > options
                                            > > > in the
                                            > > > > >> future.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                            > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                            > beliefs?
                                            > > He
                                            > > > is
                                            > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                            is
                                            > > > Lincoln
                                            > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                            > > > > >> figuratively?
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                            > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                            > > > recognize
                                            > > > > >> early
                                            > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                            > > case,
                                            > > > he
                                            > > > > >> was
                                            > > > > >> a
                                            > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                            > life
                                            > > > > >> circumstances
                                            > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                            > human
                                            > > > body
                                            > > > > >> and
                                            > > > > >> mind
                                            > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                            > > > conclusion
                                            > > > > >> that
                                            > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> The
                                            > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                            > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> Election
                                            > > > > >> Results
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> As predicted by
                                            > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                            result,
                                            > > > state by
                                            > > > > >> state,
                                            > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                            > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                            McCain
                                            > > > ended up
                                            > > > > >> in
                                            > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                            > to
                                            > > > the
                                            > > > > >> actual
                                            > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                            > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                            > > > > >>
                                            > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                            GOD
                                            > is
                                            > > > Not
                                            > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                            > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                            > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > > > > > ------------------------------------
                                            >
                                          • nathaniel x vance
                                            Okay Mr. Ted, I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like two
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                                              Okay Mr. Ted,
                                              I do have health issues yes: No, I did not piss on myself; Yes, I did
                                              scratch my head after reading Mr. masange second post as he seemed like
                                              two persons . As for Obama, he is the main focus and not tiny me. If you
                                              think Obama to be just an ordinary person, I sure in heaven and hell
                                              wonder how you would classify the next person coming after him who when
                                              he comes , will declare that he is the promised long awaited almighty
                                              Messiah/Mahdi?
                                              We have but two years or less and yes more is forthcoming!!!
                                              Tahnk you Mr. Ted and have a great day sir.

                                              --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" <ufoazbk@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > You do that so elegantly ,I bet he just pissed himself, while
                                              scratching his
                                              > head
                                              > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > From: masanga@...
                                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 3:30 PM
                                              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              [11-08-08]
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > > Nathaniel,
                                              > >
                                              > > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                              > >
                                              > > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                              about
                                              > > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                              know
                                              > > of
                                              > > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                              > > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                              > > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                              universe, I
                                              > > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe
                                              I have
                                              > > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                              > >
                                              > > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                              divine
                                              > > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                              > > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                              in my
                                              > > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                              that
                                              > > he
                                              > > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                              > >
                                              > > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                              presume to
                                              > > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that
                                              to
                                              > > date
                                              > > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                              mystery
                                              > > to
                                              > > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                              > > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                              divine
                                              > > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                              > >
                                              > > Regan (masanga)
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                              > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                              > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > masanga,
                                              > > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me
                                              about
                                              > > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                              > > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness.
                                              If
                                              > > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                              > > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                              > >>
                                              > >> Nathaniel,
                                              > >>
                                              > >> I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                              > > that my
                                              > >> mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                              > > great
                                              > >> compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds
                                              have
                                              > >> extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                              > > knowledge,
                                              > >> unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                              > > desires,
                                              > >> and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                              things
                                              > > as
                                              > >> they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                              will
                                              > >> automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                              > > said
                                              > >> that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                              > > And
                                              > >> Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                              > > children to
                                              > >> come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                              you
                                              > > for
                                              > >> this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                              worked
                                              > > long
                                              > >> and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                              both
                                              > >> confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                              > > encouragement
                                              > >> to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                              > > mental age
                                              > >> down to absolute zero in time.
                                              > >>
                                              > >> I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                              > > break
                                              > >> from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                              > > don't
                                              > >> want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                              me
                                              > > in the
                                              > >> first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                              > > suggest
                                              > >> that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                              up.
                                              > >>
                                              > >> Sincerely,
                                              > >> Regan (masanga)
                                              > >>
                                              > >>
                                              > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                              > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                              > >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                              > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                              > >>
                                              > >>
                                              > >> Dear masanga,
                                              > >> I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                              answer
                                              > >> your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                              > >> seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                              our
                                              > >> crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                              > > would
                                              > >> your answer be?
                                              > >> Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                              before
                                              > >> someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain
                                              qualifications;
                                              > > Can
                                              > >> you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                              see
                                              > > a
                                              > >> UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                              details
                                              > >> to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                              > > Obama,
                                              > >> his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                              > > earth
                                              > >> would qualify.
                                              > >> As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                              > >> level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                              > >> Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                              > >>
                                              > >> --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > Dear Nathaniel,
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                              a
                                              > >> certain
                                              > >> > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                              greedy
                                              > >> > wicked...."
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                              > >> of our
                                              > >> > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                              > > anyone
                                              > >> else
                                              > >> > in this respect.
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                              > > would
                                              > >> win
                                              > >> > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                              > >> needing any
                                              > >> > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                              > >> "seemingly
                                              > >> > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                              > >> seemed to
                                              > >> > have a clear run to me.
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                              > >> about
                                              > >> > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least;
                                              and
                                              > >> praises
                                              > >> > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels
                                              who
                                              > >> asssisted
                                              > >> > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                              > >> protected
                                              > >> > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                              > >> > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                              really
                                              > >> in
                                              > >> > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                              dominance?
                                              > >> > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be
                                              facing
                                              > > up
                                              > >> to
                                              > >> > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system,
                                              which
                                              > > is
                                              > >> > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                              a
                                              > >> system
                                              > >> > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                              > > where
                                              > >> the
                                              > >> > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                              become
                                              > >> the
                                              > >> > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                              > > "Emperor").
                                              > >> > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                              > >> office
                                              > >> > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                              credit
                                              > >> for
                                              > >> > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                              me.
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                              cult!
                                              > >> She is
                                              > >> > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                              consciousness
                                              > >> for the
                                              > >> > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                              righteous."
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                              > >> I see
                                              > >> > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                              be
                                              > >> as you
                                              > >> > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                              for
                                              > >> > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                              > >> think she
                                              > >> > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                              > >> independent
                                              > >> > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                              asserting
                                              > >> the
                                              > >> > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                              > >> anonymous
                                              > >> > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                              on
                                              > >> sheer
                                              > >> > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                              of
                                              > >> the
                                              > >> > terms.
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                              rediculed
                                              > >> and
                                              > >> > sconld...."
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                              > >> scold
                                              > >> > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                              impartially
                                              > >> and
                                              > >> > objectively.
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                              > >> morbid
                                              > >> > intransigence...."
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                              > >> compromise" and
                                              > >> > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder
                                              wants
                                              > > us
                                              > >> to
                                              > >> > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                              wonder
                                              > >> what
                                              > >> > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I
                                              think
                                              > >> she
                                              > >> > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                              > > price.
                                              > >> But
                                              > >> > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                              ours.
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                              > > re-appearance
                                              > >> of
                                              > >> > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                              > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                              > > arguments."
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                              > >> we? Or
                                              > >> > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                              absurd
                                              > >> > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                              which
                                              > >> she has
                                              > >> > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                              > > which
                                              > >> you
                                              > >> > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                              she
                                              > >> can
                                              > >> > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                              into
                                              > >> an
                                              > >> > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it
                                              or
                                              > >> even
                                              > >> > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                              intelligence?
                                              > >> It is
                                              > >> > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                              willing
                                              > >> to pay
                                              > >> > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is
                                              too
                                              > >> high for
                                              > >> > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                              "full
                                              > >> > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                              > > own
                                              > >> > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                              > >> > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment
                                              and a
                                              > >> lie the
                                              > >> > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                              > >> > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > Regards,
                                              > >> > Regan
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > >> > From: nathaniel x vance
                                              > >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                              > >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              [11-08-08]
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                              > >> > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                              a
                                              > >> > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                              > > the
                                              > >> > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                              that
                                              > >> > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                              against
                                              > >> > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                              should
                                              > > be
                                              > >> > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                              > > team
                                              > >> > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in
                                              making
                                              > >> this
                                              > >> > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                              > > clock
                                              > >> > 24/7!!
                                              > >> > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                              cult!
                                              > > She
                                              > >> > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                              > >> consciousness
                                              > >> > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                              > >> > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                              > > rediculed
                                              > >> > and sconld.
                                              > >> > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                              morbid
                                              > >> > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                              > >> > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                              years
                                              > >> or
                                              > >> > less!
                                              > >> > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                              > > arguments.
                                              > >> >
                                              > >> > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                              > >> > >
                                              > >> > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                              > >> > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                              > >> bitch
                                              > >> > at
                                              > >> > > times.
                                              > >> > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                              > > me.
                                              > >> > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                              > > slightest,
                                              > >> > the
                                              > >> > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                              > >> count.
                                              > >> > And by
                                              > >> > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                              > >> > >
                                              > >> > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                              > >> FANNIE
                                              > >> > mae,
                                              > >> > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                              One
                                              > >> > would
                                              > >> > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                              > > money
                                              > >> > into
                                              > >> > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                              > >> idea,
                                              > >> > and
                                              > >> > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                              damn
                                              > >> > things.
                                              > >> > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in
                                              Nancy's
                                              > >> name
                                              > >> > for
                                              > >> > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                              > >> > friends.
                                              > >> > > Good to see you're back.
                                              > >> > > Later...
                                              > >> > > Ted
                                              > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > >> > > From: masanga@
                                              > >> > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >> > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                              > >> > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              > > [11-08-08]
                                              > >> > >
                                              > >> > >
                                              > >> > > > Hi Ted,
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                              > >> > to get
                                              > >> > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                              > >> > eventually
                                              > >> > > > got
                                              > >> > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting
                                              for
                                              > > me
                                              > >> in
                                              > >> > my
                                              > >> > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                              > > days
                                              > >> > and was
                                              > >> > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                              this
                                              > >> > forum
                                              > >> > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                              > > election
                                              > >> > of
                                              > >> > > > Barack
                                              > >> > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                              of
                                              > >> > them. The
                                              > >> > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding
                                              tears
                                              > > of
                                              > >> > joy in
                                              > >> > > > the
                                              > >> > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                              > > new
                                              > >> > age has
                                              > >> > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                              > >> > > > world-historic
                                              > >> > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                              > >> here.
                                              > >> > Why
                                              > >> > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                              > >> > election
                                              > >> > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                              > >> > politicians
                                              > >> > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                              > > view
                                              > >> > that
                                              > >> > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                              > >> > constitutes
                                              > >> > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                              in
                                              > >> > the
                                              > >> > > > whole
                                              > >> > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                              Alfred
                                              > >> > > > Lambremont
                                              > >> > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible
                                              commitment
                                              > > to
                                              > >> > remove
                                              > >> > > > the
                                              > >> > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                              > >> anything
                                              > >> > > > myself
                                              > >> > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                              > > either.
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                              > >> > found no
                                              > >> > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                              > > myself
                                              > >> > from
                                              > >> > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                              > >> > whenever I
                                              > >> > > > am
                                              > >> > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                              performed
                                              > >> > that
                                              > >> > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                              > > don't
                                              > >> > want to
                                              > >> > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                              > > spectacle
                                              > >> > may be.
                                              > >> > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult
                                              of
                                              > > the
                                              > >> > Zeta -
                                              > >> > > > on
                                              > >> > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                              > > those
                                              > >> > among us
                                              > >> > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey
                                              to
                                              > > it.
                                              > >> > So my
                                              > >> > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                              > > warning
                                              > >> in
                                              > >> > > > fact -
                                              > >> > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                              > > cult-building
                                              > >> > > > activity
                                              > >> > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to
                                              dictate
                                              > >> their
                                              > >> > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                              freedom
                                              > > to
                                              > >> > do
                                              > >> > > > that
                                              > >> > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                              > >> > natural
                                              > >> > > > consequences of doing it.
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                              > >> > now
                                              > >> > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > > Warm regards,
                                              > >> > > > Regan
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > >> > > > From: Ted
                                              > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                              > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              > >> [11-08-08]
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                              > >> > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                              > >> > > > .
                                              > >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > >> > > > From: masanga@
                                              > >> > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                              > >> > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              > >> [11-08-08]
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                              > >> > words of
                                              > >> > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                              who
                                              > > is
                                              > >> > > >> reported
                                              > >> > > >> to have said:
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                              > >> > > >> fantasies
                                              > >> > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> Regan
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                              > >> > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                              > >> > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com
                                              ;
                                              > >> > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com
                                              ;
                                              > >> > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com
                                              ;
                                              > >> > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                              ;
                                              > >> > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                              ;
                                              > >> > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                              > >> > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                              > >> > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                              [11-08-08]
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                              > >> > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> written
                                              > >> > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                              > >> > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today
                                              than
                                              > > he
                                              > >> > did on
                                              > >> > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he
                                              found
                                              > > out
                                              > >> > in his
                                              > >> > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                              the
                                              > >> new
                                              > >> > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                              > >> > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                              shift?
                                              > >> The
                                              > >> > Zetas
                                              > >> > > >> have
                                              > >> > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from
                                              another] I
                                              > >> > would
                                              > >> > > >> like
                                              > >> > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                              > >> > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about
                                              Planet
                                              > > X,
                                              > >> > and if
                                              > >> > > >> so
                                              > >> > > >> was
                                              > >> > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press
                                              conference
                                              > >> > Friday the
                                              > >> > > >> CNN
                                              > >> > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                              > >> > "pause"
                                              > >> > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                              4th
                                              > >> > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                              > >> declined
                                              > >> > to
                                              > >> > > >> comment.
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                              > >> consensus
                                              > >> > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                              > > his
                                              > >> > heart
                                              > >> > > >> and
                                              > >> > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                              > >> Obama
                                              > >> > looked
                                              > >> > > >> older
                                              > >> > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                              > > the
                                              > >> > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                              > > candidacy.
                                              > >> > Yet the
                                              > >> > > >> race
                                              > >> > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                              > >> causing
                                              > >> > him
                                              > >> > > >> loss
                                              > >> > > >> of
                                              > >> > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                              not
                                              > >> > already
                                              > >> > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                              > > world
                                              > >> > and
                                              > >> > > >> what
                                              > >> > > >> the
                                              > >> > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                              > > also
                                              > >> > did not
                                              > >> > > >> learn
                                              > >> > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush
                                              and
                                              > >> > company
                                              > >> > > >> crimes,
                                              > >> > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                              the
                                              > >> FBI
                                              > >> > and
                                              > >> > > >> the
                                              > >> > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                              > >> > planetary
                                              > >> > > >> presence
                                              > >> > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                              He
                                              > >> had
                                              > >> > heard
                                              > >> > > >> the
                                              > >> > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                              > >> relayed
                                              > >> > to
                                              > >> > > >> him
                                              > >> > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                              > >> > confirmation.
                                              > >> > > >> Why would
                                              > >> > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside
                                              the
                                              > > US
                                              > >> > > >> boundaries
                                              > >> > > >> are
                                              > >> > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                              > >> cover-up,
                                              > >> > and
                                              > >> > > >> how
                                              > >> > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not
                                              yet
                                              > >> been
                                              > >> > > >> decided.
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                              > >> > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> Zeta response: This
                                              > >> > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                              > > options
                                              > >> > in the
                                              > >> > > >> future.
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                              > >> > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                              > > beliefs?
                                              > >> He
                                              > >> > is
                                              > >> > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                              is
                                              > >> > Lincoln
                                              > >> > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less
                                              speaking
                                              > >> > > >> figuratively?
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to
                                              many,
                                              > >> > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                              > >> > recognize
                                              > >> > > >> early
                                              > >> > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In
                                              Obama's
                                              > >> case,
                                              > >> > he
                                              > >> > > >> was
                                              > >> > > >> a
                                              > >> > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                              > > life
                                              > >> > > >> circumstances
                                              > >> > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                              > > human
                                              > >> > body
                                              > >> > > >> and
                                              > >> > > >> mind
                                              > >> > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                              > >> > conclusion
                                              > >> > > >> that
                                              > >> > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> The
                                              > >> > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> Issue 104,
                                              > >> > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> Election
                                              > >> > > >> Results
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> As predicted by
                                              > >> > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                              result,
                                              > >> > state by
                                              > >> > > >> state,
                                              > >> > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                              > >> > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                              McCain
                                              > >> > ended up
                                              > >> > > >> in
                                              > >> > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on
                                              polls,
                                              > > to
                                              > >> > the
                                              > >> > > >> actual
                                              > >> > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                              > >> > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                              > >> > > >>
                                              > >> > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                              GOD
                                              > > is
                                              > >> > Not
                                              > >> > > >> MOCKED!
                                              > >> > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                              > >> > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > >
                                              > >> > > > ------------------------------------
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > ------------------------------------
                                              > >
                                              > > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              >
                                            • masanga@talktalk.net
                                              Dear Nathaniel, Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
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                                                Dear Nathaniel,

                                                Thank you for your email begging my pardon. I gladly give it to
                                                you. I did not take your reaction to my comments about Obama personally and
                                                no harm was done.

                                                Be at peace.

                                                Regan (masanga)


                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: nathaniel x vance
                                                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                                Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 4:57 PM
                                                Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]


                                                Dear Brother masanga,
                                                Please pardon me for being a bit heavy handed. You sound very well adept
                                                and refreshing in your last two posts! I like your messages now, but how
                                                you questioned my use of the word " COMMISSIONED" really brought the
                                                rebellion out in me.
                                                Maybe I should have said or used that Sen. B Obama was "HIGHLY
                                                COMMISSIONED" and added that he is NOT an ordinary soul or something
                                                like that alone those lines. Please pardon me as I have no degrees in
                                                higher education and only am doing the best little that I can to try and
                                                help to spread the word that our earthly planet is undergoing a Divine
                                                renaissance for the better under God and His space angels into another
                                                higher spiritual dimension where true brotherly and sisterly love and
                                                co-existence will be the order of the future!
                                                Please pardon me.

                                                --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, <masanga@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > Nathaniel,
                                                >
                                                > Thank you for wishing me well. I wish you well too.
                                                >
                                                > You say that I cannot be the same "masanga" who spoke to you
                                                about
                                                > Barack Obama and that I must have multiple personalities. Since you
                                                know of
                                                > me only from what you have read on your computer-screen, I am to you
                                                > whatever you imagine and believe me to be and if you say I must have
                                                > multiple personalities then I accept that, in your subjective
                                                universe, I
                                                > must have them. I can only tell you that in my subjective universe I
                                                have
                                                > only one personality and leave you to make of that what you will.
                                                >
                                                > Regarding Obama, I was not denying that he has a special
                                                divine
                                                > commission. I was merely saying that I believe we all have them. I
                                                > acknowledge that he is qualified to accept his commission. However,
                                                in my
                                                > view that does not necessarily mean he will actually fulfil it, only
                                                that he
                                                > can fulfil it if he dedicates himself to doing so.
                                                >
                                                > But what is his divine commission exactly? I would not
                                                presume to
                                                > know that unless I heard him state it and since he hasn't done that to
                                                date
                                                > it is a mystery to me. However, I am content for it to remain a
                                                mystery to
                                                > me since it is a matter between him and the Divine and is none of my
                                                > business really. I have enough on my plate just fulfilling my own
                                                divine
                                                > commission without concerning myself with his too.
                                                >
                                                > Regan (masanga)
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From: nathaniel x vance
                                                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:39 PM
                                                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > masanga,
                                                > Whoever wrote this post must not be the masanga who wrote to me about
                                                > what Commission means with regards to president-elect Obama! This
                                                > masanga person is sane and talks with kindness and forthrightness. If
                                                > you are masanga, then you must have multiple personalities???
                                                > At any rate, I wish you well.
                                                >
                                                > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > Nathaniel,
                                                > >
                                                > > I appreciate that you have tried to insult me by suggesting
                                                > that my
                                                > > mental level is that of a 2 year-old child but I take it as a very
                                                > great
                                                > > compliment from your unconscious. You see, normal two year-olds have
                                                > > extremely clear, unobstructed minds that are uncluttered by false
                                                > knowledge,
                                                > > unbiased by prejudgements and preconceptions, unsullied by strange
                                                > desires,
                                                > > and undisturbed by fears of pain and loss. These innocents see
                                                things
                                                > as
                                                > > they truly are in themselves and their actions express the cosmic
                                                will
                                                > > automatically and spontaneously. The famous abstract artist Picasso
                                                > said
                                                > > that it took him until he was sixty to learn to paint like a child.
                                                > And
                                                > > Jesus himself no less is supposed to have said: "Suffer little
                                                > children to
                                                > > come unto me, for of such is the kingdom of God made." So I thank
                                                you
                                                > for
                                                > > this unexpected and unsolicited recognition, Nathaniel. I have
                                                worked
                                                > long
                                                > > and hard to get into this child-like state and your compliment is
                                                both
                                                > > confirmation to me that my efforts have not been in vain and
                                                > encouragement
                                                > > to continue them further. With help from above I hope to get my
                                                > mental age
                                                > > down to absolute zero in time.
                                                > >
                                                > > I am sorry to hear though that you are feeling the need for a
                                                > break
                                                > > from me and that you want me not to reply to you. Sorry, but if you
                                                > don't
                                                > > want me to reply then I think you should not address your posts to
                                                me
                                                > in the
                                                > > first place. And if my posts are bugging you anyway then I can only
                                                > suggest
                                                > > that you stop reading them because I have no intention of shutting
                                                up.
                                                > >
                                                > > Sincerely,
                                                > > Regan (masanga)
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 2:28 PM
                                                > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction [11-08-08]
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Dear masanga,
                                                > > I know that you are not capable of using much logic, but I will
                                                answer
                                                > > your question: The Space Shuttle took off last night with a crew of
                                                > > seven. If NASA came up to you and said, please Mr. masanga, one of
                                                our
                                                > > crew is sick and we like to COMMISSION you to take his place, what
                                                > would
                                                > > your answer be?
                                                > > Knowing you, you will miss the point. What I am saying is that
                                                before
                                                > > someone becomes COMMISSIONED, they must have certain qualifications;
                                                > Can
                                                > > you fly a 17,000 MPH space shuttle? Can you do space walks? If you
                                                see
                                                > a
                                                > > UFO, will you keep your darn mouth shut and never disclose the
                                                details
                                                > > to anyone unless NASA consent? In the case of Sen. Barack Hussein
                                                > Obama,
                                                > > his commission is of a very high quality and not too many of us on
                                                > earth
                                                > > would qualify.
                                                > > As for you mr. masanga a probable commission that fits your mental
                                                > > level, I think any 2 year old soul or child would suffice!
                                                > > Give me a break mr. masanGA by not responding please I beg you!
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, masanga@ wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Dear Nathaniel,
                                                > > >
                                                > > > "President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do
                                                a
                                                > > certain
                                                > > > number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of the
                                                greedy
                                                > > > wicked...."
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Aren't we all? We all have to honour the spiritual purposes
                                                > > of our
                                                > > > lives or else die in disgrace. Surely Obama is no different to
                                                > anyone
                                                > > else
                                                > > > in this respect.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > ".....I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels, that barck
                                                > would
                                                > > win
                                                > > > despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds against him!...."
                                                > > >
                                                > > > So did a lot of other people predict it too and without
                                                > > needing any
                                                > > > "space angels" to tell them either. And what exactly were the
                                                > > "seemingly
                                                > > > insurmountable odds against him" to which you are referring? He
                                                > > seemed to
                                                > > > have a clear run to me.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > ".....His victory is unprecedented and incredible,...."
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Why is it? Because of his black skin? What is so incredible
                                                > > about
                                                > > > that? This is the 21st century, not the 1960s.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > "......and credit should be afforded to him at the very least; and
                                                > > praises
                                                > > > to his well chosen team and to God and to all the space angels who
                                                > > asssisted
                                                > > > him in making this victory a success, as Barack is guided and
                                                > > protected
                                                > > > around the clock 24/7!!"
                                                > > >
                                                > > > You speak as though winning the presidency of the USA was a
                                                > > > meritorious act, deserving of credit! But what merit is there
                                                really
                                                > > in
                                                > > > defeating one's opponents in a competition for power and
                                                dominance?
                                                > > > Ravening beasts do that all the time. You do not seem to be facing
                                                > up
                                                > > to
                                                > > > the contradictions that exist in the USA's political system, which
                                                > is
                                                > > > supposed to be a democracy but, as Bush Jr has proved, is in fact
                                                a
                                                > > system
                                                > > > of winner-takes-all elective dictatorship. In a true democracy,
                                                > where
                                                > > the
                                                > > > people actually govern, it would not be possible for Obama to
                                                become
                                                > > the
                                                > > > all-powerful "President" (for which we should all now read
                                                > "Emperor").
                                                > > > Obama's position is already hypocritical and he hasn't even taken
                                                > > office
                                                > > > yet. Where is the merit in any of this? Why should he receive
                                                credit
                                                > > for
                                                > > > becoming the Emperor of the USA? That does not seem rational to
                                                me.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > "I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a
                                                cult!
                                                > > She is
                                                > > > doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                                consciousness
                                                > > for the
                                                > > > wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density righteous."
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I am sorry that you detest hearing this but it is the truth as
                                                > > I see
                                                > > > it. I do not claim to know her motives for doing it and they may
                                                be
                                                > > as you
                                                > > > say, i.e. that she is trying to prepare our human consciousness
                                                for
                                                > > > transformation to "4th density righteous", whatever that means. I
                                                > > think she
                                                > > > is building a cult because she offers no objective proof that is
                                                > > independent
                                                > > > of her say-so for any of the claims that she makes. She is
                                                asserting
                                                > > the
                                                > > > existence of an alternative reality that no-one but she, or the
                                                > > anonymous
                                                > > > "Zeta" can experience and she is inviting people to believe in it
                                                on
                                                > > sheer
                                                > > > blind faith. Surely this is cult-building by anyone's definition
                                                of
                                                > > the
                                                > > > terms.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > ".......For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                                rediculed
                                                > > and
                                                > > > sconld...."
                                                > > >
                                                > > > What has she done to merit praise? And when did I ridicule or
                                                > > scold
                                                > > > her? All I have done is to say what I see her as doing,
                                                impartially
                                                > > and
                                                > > > objectively.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > "....We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                                > > morbid
                                                > > > intransigence...."
                                                > > >
                                                > > > How interesting. "Intransigence" means "refusal to
                                                > > compromise" and
                                                > > > to "compromise" means to "make concessions". So Nancy Lieder wants
                                                > us
                                                > > to
                                                > > > make concessions before she will give us her full picture. I
                                                wonder
                                                > > what
                                                > > > they are. What price is she asking for her "full picture"? I think
                                                > > she
                                                > > > cannot expect us to consider buying it if she doesn't state the
                                                > price.
                                                > > But
                                                > > > then that would be an effect of her intransigence I think, not
                                                ours.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > "......Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                                > re-appearance
                                                > > of
                                                > > > the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two years or less!
                                                > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                                > arguments."
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Oh yes? Well, we'll have to wait and see about that, won't
                                                > > we? Or
                                                > > > is this another one of Nancy's "little white lies", like her
                                                absurd
                                                > > > statement that Planet X entered the inner solar system in 2003
                                                which
                                                > > she has
                                                > > > now repeated in the ZetaTalk newsletter of 1st November 2008 and
                                                > which
                                                > > you
                                                > > > posted here on 4th November? It's really interesting to see how
                                                she
                                                > > can
                                                > > > turn an alleged truth into an alleged lie and then turn it back
                                                into
                                                > > an
                                                > > > alleged truth again without any of her followers questioning it or
                                                > > even
                                                > > > appearing to notice. What has become of their rational
                                                intelligence?
                                                > > It is
                                                > > > nowhere to be seen! Is that the real price which we must be
                                                willing
                                                > > to pay
                                                > > > before she will give us "the full picture"? If so the price is too
                                                > > high for
                                                > > > me and I am not in the market to buy it. I already have my own
                                                "full
                                                > > > picture" of reality that I have acquired by painstaking use of my
                                                > own
                                                > > > perceptual faculties. Why should I discard it for her unclear and
                                                > > > ambivalent conception that purports to be the truth one moment and
                                                a
                                                > > lie the
                                                > > > next and then the truth again without rhyme or reason? Sorry, but
                                                > > > appearances notwithstanding, I was not born yesterday.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Regards,
                                                > > > Regan
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > From: nathaniel x vance
                                                > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 5:47 PM
                                                > > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                                [11-08-08]
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Dear Regan, Ted,
                                                > > > President-Elect Sen. Baraack Hussein Obama is commissioned to do a
                                                > > > certain number of divine things during these perilous endtimes of
                                                > the
                                                > > > greedy wicked. I predicted, and so did the Zetas space angels,
                                                that
                                                > > > barck would win despite enormous seemily insurmountable odds
                                                against
                                                > > > him! His victory is unprecedented and incredible, and credit
                                                should
                                                > be
                                                > > > afforded to him at the very least; and praises to his well chosen
                                                > team
                                                > > > and to God and to all the space angels who asssisted him in making
                                                > > this
                                                > > > victory a success, as Barack is guided and protected around the
                                                > clock
                                                > > > 24/7!!
                                                > > > I detest hearing that Mrs. Sister Nancy Lieder is building a cult!
                                                > She
                                                > > > is doing the same as Barck in trying to prepare our human
                                                > > consciousness
                                                > > > for the wonderful transformation of this planet to 4th density
                                                > > > righteous. For that , she should be praised instead of being
                                                > rediculed
                                                > > > and sconld.
                                                > > > We have not been given the full picture as of yet due to our
                                                morbid
                                                > > > intransigence. Next coming as a grand spectacular finale, is the
                                                > > > re-appearance of the dreaded almighty Messiah/Mahdi within two
                                                years
                                                > > or
                                                > > > less!
                                                > > > Thereafter, none on earth will have any contrary doubts or
                                                > arguments.
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --- In ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com, "Ted" ufoazbk@ wrote:
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Nice to hear a sane voice of reason.
                                                > > > > I'm glad to hear all went well with the move, boy they can be a
                                                > > bitch
                                                > > > at
                                                > > > > times.
                                                > > > > Obama, well we'll see. Why anyone would want that job is beyond
                                                > me.
                                                > > > > Especially now. Every where you turn, if informed at the
                                                > slightest,
                                                > > > the
                                                > > > > economy is on the ropes and looks like it's going down for the
                                                > > count.
                                                > > > And by
                                                > > > > the looks of it , it's going to be one LONG COUNT.
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > Will he lead us not into temptation,, but deliver us from AIG,
                                                > > FANNIE
                                                > > > mae,
                                                > > > > freddy Mac, FORD, GM and all of the others that are lining up.
                                                One
                                                > > > would
                                                > > > > think so by all of the media hype. but he will pump more paper
                                                > money
                                                > > > into
                                                > > > > the three automobile companies, that's for sure.Why , I have no
                                                > > idea,
                                                > > > and
                                                > > > > his reason is week at best., There isn't any money to buy the
                                                damn
                                                > > > things.
                                                > > > > Heck, maybe it would have been easier to have written in Nancy's
                                                > > name
                                                > > > for
                                                > > > > President. She could have fixed this problem through her little
                                                > > > friends.
                                                > > > > Good to see you're back.
                                                > > > > Later...
                                                > > > > Ted
                                                > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > > From: masanga@
                                                > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:08 AM
                                                > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                                > [11-08-08]
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > >
                                                > > > > > Hi Ted,
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Thanks for the welcome back. It took longer than I expected
                                                > > > to get
                                                > > > > > reconnected to the net after making my house-move and when I
                                                > > > eventually
                                                > > > > > got
                                                > > > > > back on-line I found that I had hundreds of emails waiting for
                                                > me
                                                > > in
                                                > > > my
                                                > > > > > In-box. I have been ploughing through them over the past few
                                                > days
                                                > > > and was
                                                > > > > > struck by the general lack of discussion about anything on
                                                this
                                                > > > forum
                                                > > > > > although momentous events have happened in the world, the
                                                > election
                                                > > > of
                                                > > > > > Barack
                                                > > > > > Obama to the US presidency being probably the most momentous
                                                of
                                                > > > them. The
                                                > > > > > masses have been celebrating in the streets and shedding tears
                                                > of
                                                > > > joy in
                                                > > > > > the
                                                > > > > > fond belief that their day has come at last. In their minds a
                                                > new
                                                > > > age has
                                                > > > > > dawned and in their hearts new hope has been born. Yet this
                                                > > > > > world-historic
                                                > > > > > event appears to have raised not a single comment from anyone
                                                > > here.
                                                > > > Why
                                                > > > > > not? I found this puzzling.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Of course I was not expecting anyone here to discuss the
                                                > > > election
                                                > > > > > from the mundane point of view of the media pundits and the
                                                > > > politicians
                                                > > > > > themselves, but rather from their own unconventional point of
                                                > view
                                                > > > that
                                                > > > > > presumably is based outside-the-box in the exotic field that
                                                > > > constitutes
                                                > > > > > this forum's subject-matter. But no such luck. Only two posts
                                                in
                                                > > > the
                                                > > > > > whole
                                                > > > > > of the past week have even made reference to it. One was
                                                Alfred
                                                > > > > > Lambremont
                                                > > > > > Webre's inconclusive assessment of Obama's possible commitment
                                                > to
                                                > > > remove
                                                > > > > > the
                                                > > > > > Great UFO Cover Up, about which I found it difficult to say
                                                > > anything
                                                > > > > > myself
                                                > > > > > so I would not have expected anyone else to respond to it
                                                > either.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > The other post was Nathaniel's epistle from ZetaTalk and I
                                                > > > found no
                                                > > > > > difficulty in responding to that. Indeed, I had to restrain
                                                > myself
                                                > > > from
                                                > > > > > turning it into chopped liver again as is my natural tendency
                                                > > > whenever I
                                                > > > > > am
                                                > > > > > confronted by such an obvious con. But I have already
                                                performed
                                                > > > that
                                                > > > > > service several times on other occasions at this forum and I
                                                > don't
                                                > > > want to
                                                > > > > > get stuck in repeating it endlessly, entertaining as the
                                                > spectacle
                                                > > > may be.
                                                > > > > > Nancy Lieder appears to me to be building a cult - the cult of
                                                > the
                                                > > > Zeta -
                                                > > > > > on
                                                > > > > > the basis of nothing but make-believe and I think that only
                                                > those
                                                > > > among us
                                                > > > > > who are unusually gullible and undiscerning would fall prey to
                                                > it.
                                                > > > So my
                                                > > > > > response this time was simply to offer a warning - Rumi's
                                                > warning
                                                > > in
                                                > > > > > fact -
                                                > > > > > to anyone who may feel inclined to fall in with this
                                                > cult-building
                                                > > > > > activity
                                                > > > > > and to start allowing Nancy Lieder's "space-beings" to dictate
                                                > > their
                                                > > > > > personal reality to them. Of course I do not deny their
                                                freedom
                                                > to
                                                > > > do
                                                > > > > > that
                                                > > > > > if they wish to do it; I only deny their freedom to evade the
                                                > > > natural
                                                > > > > > consequences of doing it.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > I'm sorry if I may have sounded vengeful but as I hope I have
                                                > > > now
                                                > > > > > made clear, I was not being so. No-one has offended me here.
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > Warm regards,
                                                > > > > > Regan
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > > > From: Ted
                                                > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:45 AM
                                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                                > > [11-08-08]
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > > So you're back with a vengeance
                                                > > > > > Well I meant a quote.
                                                > > > > > .
                                                > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > > > From: masanga@
                                                > > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:33 PM
                                                > > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                                > > [11-08-08]
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >> Subscribers to the Zeta-cult may wish to ponder the sage
                                                > > > words of
                                                > > > > >> the sufi mystic and original whirling Dervish called Rumi,
                                                who
                                                > is
                                                > > > > >> reported
                                                > > > > >> to have said:
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> "Humanity is bewildered by false idols and driven by vain
                                                > > > > >> fantasies
                                                > > > > >> into the pit of destruction."
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> Regan
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> ----- Original Message -----
                                                > > > > >> From: nathaniel x vance
                                                > > > > >> To: grandfathergreywolf@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > TheCosmicCafe@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > > >> UFOsecrets@yahoogroups.com ; alien-teachers@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > > >> CaptainFreon@yahoogroups.com ; realufos@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > > >> ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ; cwgconcepts@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > > >> earth2025@yahoogroups.com ; earthchanges_prep@yahoogroups.com
                                                ;
                                                > > > > >> iufo@yahoogroups.com ; marssouthpolereturns@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > > >> tt-alt-watch@yahoogroups.com ; ufo2u@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > > >> ufoandparanormalstuff@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > ufos-unbound@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > > >> earthchanges@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > earthspiritmedicinewheel@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > > >> etandufoconspiracyandhistoryonearthandnibiru@yahoogroups.com
                                                ;
                                                > > > > >> exraelians@yahoogroups.com ; prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com
                                                ;
                                                > > > > >> the_zetaheaven_group@yahoogroups.com ;
                                                > > > > >> ufo_hotline_bulleti@yahoogroups.com
                                                > > > > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:50 PM
                                                > > > > >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] ZetaTalk: Godlikeproduction
                                                [11-08-08]
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> ZetaTalk:
                                                > > > > >> GodlikeProduction Live
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> written
                                                > > > > >> November 8, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> Questioner: Obama
                                                > > > > >> looked 5 years older in his first press conference today than
                                                > he
                                                > > > did on
                                                > > > > >> election night. Would the Zetas like to tell us what he found
                                                > out
                                                > > > in his
                                                > > > > >> intelligence briefing? [and from another] Now that Obama is
                                                the
                                                > > new
                                                > > > > >> president, what does it mean for the
                                                > > > > >> cover-up? When will he be fully educated about the pole
                                                shift?
                                                > > The
                                                > > > Zetas
                                                > > > > >> have
                                                > > > > >> hinted Obama has heard only rumors so far. [and from another]
                                                I
                                                > > > would
                                                > > > > >> like
                                                > > > > >> to ask the Zetas if on
                                                > > > > >> Thursday's meeting Barack Obama was finally told about Planet
                                                > X,
                                                > > > and if
                                                > > > > >> so
                                                > > > > >> was
                                                > > > > >> that weighting heavy on his mind when at the press conference
                                                > > > Friday the
                                                > > > > >> CNN
                                                > > > > >> reporter asked him if something out of the briefing gave him
                                                > > > "pause"
                                                > > > > >> (I interpreted as "sobering") when compared to the pre-Nov
                                                4th
                                                > > > > >> scenarios and how he seemed to take a big "gulp" after he
                                                > > declined
                                                > > > to
                                                > > > > >> comment.
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> Zeta response: Be aware that if the soul of Obama, or the
                                                > > consensus
                                                > > > > >> of his guides, make a request that we not reveal a matter in
                                                > his
                                                > > > heart
                                                > > > > >> and
                                                > > > > >> mind, then we will not comment. That said, it was clear that
                                                > > Obama
                                                > > > looked
                                                > > > > >> older
                                                > > > > >> and more tired during his first official press conference as
                                                > the
                                                > > > > >> President-Elect than he had during any time during his
                                                > candidacy.
                                                > > > Yet the
                                                > > > > >> race
                                                > > > > >> was won, the election over and he clearly gained. What was
                                                > > causing
                                                > > > him
                                                > > > > >> loss
                                                > > > > >> of
                                                > > > > >> sleep? There were no foreign policy revelations that he did
                                                not
                                                > > > already
                                                > > > > >> suspect. Biden has a good finger on what goes on around the
                                                > world
                                                > > > and
                                                > > > > >> what
                                                > > > > >> the
                                                > > > > >> various players are up to, so there were no surprises. Obama
                                                > also
                                                > > > did not
                                                > > > > >> learn
                                                > > > > >> any revelations about the Bush administration, about Bush and
                                                > > > company
                                                > > > > >> crimes,
                                                > > > > >> as this is not the CIA's area. That would be the purview of
                                                the
                                                > > FBI
                                                > > > and
                                                > > > > >> the
                                                > > > > >> Justice Department. But he did learn with certainty that a
                                                > > > planetary
                                                > > > > >> presence
                                                > > > > >> is in the solar system, with an outcome not yet determined.
                                                He
                                                > > had
                                                > > > heard
                                                > > > > >> the
                                                > > > > >> rumors, and there were people on his staff who had read and
                                                > > relayed
                                                > > > to
                                                > > > > >> him
                                                > > > > >> information about ZetaTalk, but this was his first official
                                                > > > confirmation.
                                                > > > > >> Why would
                                                > > > > >> the CIA relay this? All national security matters outside the
                                                > US
                                                > > > > >> boundaries
                                                > > > > >> are
                                                > > > > >> the purview of the CIA. Just what this will mean for the
                                                > > cover-up,
                                                > > > and
                                                > > > > >> how
                                                > > > > >> Obama will handle any announcements to the public has not yet
                                                > > been
                                                > > > > >> decided.
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> Questioner: What does the future after the pole
                                                > > > > >> shift hold for Obama? Will he and his family be protected?
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> Zeta response: This
                                                > > > > >> family is entirely Service-to-Other, and as such has many
                                                > options
                                                > > > in the
                                                > > > > >> future.
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> Questioner: Does Obama suspect that he is a star
                                                > > > > >> child? Was his "séance gaffe" a hint to his personal
                                                > beliefs?
                                                > > He
                                                > > > is
                                                > > > > >> known to be inspired by Lincoln; GMS has written that Obama
                                                is
                                                > > > Lincoln
                                                > > > > >> reincarnated. Is GMS correct, or was he more or less speaking
                                                > > > > >> figuratively?
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> Zeta response: Obama was also Lincoln, as is obvious to many,
                                                > > > > >> including Gordon Michael-Scallion (GMS). Most Star Children
                                                > > > recognize
                                                > > > > >> early
                                                > > > > >> that they are different, and sense the reason why. In Obama's
                                                > > case,
                                                > > > he
                                                > > > > >> was
                                                > > > > >> a
                                                > > > > >> walk-in during his teens, so was able to choose the body and
                                                > life
                                                > > > > >> circumstances
                                                > > > > >> for his mission. In such cases, where a walk-in occurs, the
                                                > human
                                                > > > body
                                                > > > > >> and
                                                > > > > >> mind
                                                > > > > >> sense a change, and seek an answer for this, arriving at the
                                                > > > conclusion
                                                > > > > >> that
                                                > > > > >> they have a new soul within.
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/index/zeta482.htm>
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> The
                                                > > > > >> ZetaTalk Newsletter
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> Issue 104,
                                                > > > > >> Sunday November 9, 2008
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> Election
                                                > > > > >> Results
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> As predicted by
                                                > > > > >> the Zetas, no election fraud occurred. The anticipated
                                                result,
                                                > > > state by
                                                > > > > >> state,
                                                > > > > >> was expressed at the polls. Even Indiana,
                                                > > > > >> which was projected ever so slightly (by 1.4%) to go to
                                                McCain
                                                > > > ended up
                                                > > > > >> in
                                                > > > > >> Obama's column. Compare the projected result, based on polls,
                                                > to
                                                > > > the
                                                > > > > >> actual
                                                > > > > >> result as of Wednesday morning, November 5, 2008.
                                                > > > > >> Source:<http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/>
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> <http://zetatalk.com/newsletr/issue104.htm>
                                                > > > > >>
                                                > > > > >> We're in the ENDTIME of the Wicked and Not the RIGHTEOUS -
                                                GOD
                                                > is
                                                > > > Not
                                                > > > > >> MOCKED!
                                                > > > > >> salaam akwaaba jambo Ashogee
                                                > > > > >> http://zetaheaven.org
                                                > > > > >
                                                > > > > >
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