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    Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called investigator ... From: William Hamilton To:
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      Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
      investigator
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


      > Regan,
      >
      > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
      > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
      > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
      > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
      > Its just not there.
      >
      > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
      > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
      >
      > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
      > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
      > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
      >
      > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
      > UFO case, then be my guest.
      >
      > Bill
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <masanga@...>
      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
      >
      >
      >> Bill,
      >>
      >> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
      >> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
      >> to
      >> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also providing
      >> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and lurid
      >> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
      >> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
      >> we
      >> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
      >> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they will
      >> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
      >> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
      >> like
      >> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
      >> Dan
      >> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
      >>
      >> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's radical
      >> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
      >> think
      >> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come out
      >> of
      >> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
      >> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
      >> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import of
      >> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are assessed
      >> as
      >> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
      >> message
      >> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
      >> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
      >> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
      >> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
      >> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
      >> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
      >> be
      >> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they can
      >> do
      >> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
      >> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
      >> should
      >> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
      >> under
      >> the circumstances.
      >>
      >> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
      >> yourselves
      >> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
      >> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking. Both
      >> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
      >> free
      >> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
      >> far
      >> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
      >> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
      >> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
      >> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
      >> and
      >> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
      >> control
      >> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
      >> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
      >> suspect
      >> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
      >> "part
      >> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer and
      >> a
      >> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
      >> accordingly.
      >> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
      >> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
      >> or
      >> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
      >> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
      >> but
      >> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
      >> contradictory.
      >> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
      >> and
      >> general confusion in people's minds.
      >>
      >> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
      >> instant
      >> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that is
      >> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
      >> think
      >> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their judgement
      >> in
      >> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
      >> the
      >> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
      >> But
      >> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
      >> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
      >> things
      >> to do.
      >>
      >> Sincerely,
      >> Regan
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: William Hamilton
      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
      >>
      >>
      >> Dex,
      >>
      >> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
      >> on
      >> these forums
      >> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
      >> Golden
      >> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
      >> understood
      >> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
      >> out
      >> of
      >> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
      >>
      >> Sincerely,
      >>
      >> Bill Hamilton
      >> AstroScience Research
      >> http://www.astrosciences.info
      >> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
      >> incredible."
      >> Fred Hoyle
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
      >> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
      >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
      >>
      >> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
      >> A=Ann
      >> D=Dan B.
      >> M=Marci
      >> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
      >> --------------
      >> Dxx=Dondep
      >>
      >> Dex
      >> ******************************************************************
      >> Cross posting:
      >>
      >> Dondep wrote:
      >>
      >> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
      >>
      >> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
      >> feint,
      >> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
      >>
      >> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
      >> how
      >> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
      >> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in response
      >> to
      >> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
      >>
      >> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
      >> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
      >> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
      >> 18th
      >> induction last year.
      >>
      >> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
      >> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
      >> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
      >> oh
      >> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
      >> 'religious
      >> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
      >> which
      >> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
      >> made
      >> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
      >> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
      >> to
      >> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
      >> would
      >> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn doctorate
      >> is
      >> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate it
      >> in
      >> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
      >> something
      >> REAL.
      >>
      >> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
      >> assassination
      >> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
      >> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
      >>
      >> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
      >> Vance at GLP wrote:
      >>
      >> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
      >> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
      >> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
      >> was
      >> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
      >> his
      >> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
      >>
      >> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
      >> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did any
      >> of
      >> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
      >> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
      >> exist,
      >> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
      >> as
      >> a
      >> freebe disinfo tool.
      >>
      >> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
      >> you
      >> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
      >> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
      >> consider other claims he makes.
      >>
      >> Quoting: Vance 302106
      >>
      >> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
      >> free
      >> to talk about at all...."
      >> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
      >>
      >> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
      >> 'official'
      >> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
      >> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
      >> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
      >>
      >> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
      >> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
      >> reality,
      >> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
      >> population of the world. ....."
      >>
      >> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
      >> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
      >> April 13th, 2005:
      >>
      >> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
      >> of
      >> a
      >> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
      >> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
      >> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
      >> as
      >> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
      >> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
      >> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
      >> the
      >> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
      >> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
      >> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
      >> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
      >> the
      >> issuing authority."
      >> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
      >>
      >> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link to
      >> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
      >>
      >> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12 lawyer,
      >> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
      >> help
      >> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
      >> they
      >> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
      >>
      >> Todd wrote:
      >> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
      >> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
      >> generated
      >> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
      >> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
      >> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
      >> prove
      >> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
      >> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
      >>
      >> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
      >>
      >> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to use,
      >> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
      >> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
      >> him
      >> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
      >> all
      >> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only Dan
      >> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
      >> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality a
      >> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
      >> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
      >> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
      >> on
      >> a
      >> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
      >> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in as
      >> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
      >> that
      >> happened.
      >>
      >> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
      >> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
      >> he'll
      >> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same day!
      >>
      >> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
      >> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over" when
      >> in
      >> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
      >> in
      >> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
      >> had
      >> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
      >> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
      >> them.
      >>
      >> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
      >> Hoi all,
      >> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
      >> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
      >> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
      >> correct.
      >> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if 10%
      >> is
      >> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
      >> unknown.
      >> JAn
      >>
      >> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
      >>
      >> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
      >> treehouse
      >> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on Oct
      >> 2,
      >> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
      >> blinded
      >> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
      >> also
      >> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
      >> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
      >> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
      >> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
      >> with
      >> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
      >> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
      >> independent
      >> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
      >> public
      >> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
      >> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
      >> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
      >> the
      >> role of Dan.}
      >>
      >> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
      >> 10%
      >> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
      >> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
      >> Dick
      >> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
      >> the
      >> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
      >> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one thing,
      >> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to the
      >> future of humanity.
      >>
      >> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
      >> .........
      >> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm still
      >> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
      >> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
      >> interest
      >> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
      >> fantasies,
      >> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
      >> group
      >> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about the
      >> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to discuss
      >> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be Dan's
      >> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
      >> she
      >> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's wife...oh,
      >> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
      >> reconciliation,
      >> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting. (Maybe
      >> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
      >> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
      >> who
      >> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
      >> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
      >> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
      >> project
      >> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
      >> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what difference
      >> it
      >> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
      >> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
      >> explain further.
      >>
      >> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
      >>
      >> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
      >> appears
      >> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
      >> in
      >> a
      >> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
      >> once
      >> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
      >> got
      >> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
      >> business
      >> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
      >> community
      >> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to the
      >> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
      >> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
      >> accused
      >> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
      >>
      >> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
      >> as
      >> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
      >> and
      >> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
      >> sinker
      >> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
      >> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
      >> the
      >> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
      >> to
      >> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
      >> shied
      >> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
      >> admitted
      >> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or the
      >> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of what
      >> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
      >> that? Hmmmmmm......
      >>
      >> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
      >> But
      >> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
      >> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
      >> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
      >> George
      >> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
      >> when
      >> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
      >> evidence
      >> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
      >> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
      >> balance
      >> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
      >> "The
      >> tissue ain't the issue!"
      >>
      >> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
      >> Doreen
      >> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
      >> such
      >> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
      >> or
      >> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or
      >> 2
      >> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
      >> could
      >> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
      >> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
      >> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
      >>
      >> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
      >> changes
      >> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
      >>
      >> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
      >> Hey DonDep!!
      >>
      >> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread on
      >> an
      >> artifact dealing with time.
      >>
      >> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
      >> work
      >> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
      >>
      >> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
      >> what-so-ever.
      >>
      >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
      >>
      >> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
      >> or
      >> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
      >>
      >> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
      >> you.
      >>
      >> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
      >>
      >> Namaste
      >> Z
      >>
      >> Quoting: zacksavage
      >>
      >> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
      >> original
      >> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
      >> once
      >> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
      >> there
      >> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be able
      >> to
      >> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
      >> were
      >> all naive to it.
      >>
      >> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
      >> black-ops
      >> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
      >> Reason
      >> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
      >> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
      >> via
      >> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
      >> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
      >> them
      >> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
      >> we
      >> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
      >> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
      >> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he had',
      >> as
      >> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
      >> use
      >> it?"
      >>
      >> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
      >> black
      >> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
      >> Moses;
      >> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
      >> FBI
      >> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
      >> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and merciful
      >> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
      >> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
      >> .......
      >> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
      >> what-so-ever.
      >>
      >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
      >>
      >> Therein lies the quandary!
      >>
      >> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff' over
      >> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a couple
      >> of
      >> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
      >> but
      >> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've always
      >> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
      >>
      >> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
      >> But,
      >> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
      >> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
      >> the
      >> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
      >> the
      >> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
      >> to
      >> be trapped in either when the time came.
      >>
      >> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
      >> words.
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      >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
      >> Ann
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
      >>
      >> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
      >> Dadmiral
      >> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
      >> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
      >> you
      >> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
      >> you
      >> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
      >> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
      >> us!
      >> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
      >> Looking
      >> Glass showed.
      >>
      >> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
      >>
      >> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in case
      >> we
      >> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
      >> some
      >> time.
      >>
      >> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
      >>
      >> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
      >>
      >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
      >> There
      >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
      >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
      >> with
      >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
      >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
      >> Back
      >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
      >>
      >> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability of
      >> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
      >> range.
      >> I
      >> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
      >>
      >> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved thing.
      >> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
      >> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
      >>
      >> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
      >>
      >> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of provisions
      >> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
      >> way
      >> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
      >> told
      >> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
      >>
      >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
      >> the
      >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
      >>
      >> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
      >>
      >> A: Dxx, silly!
      >>
      >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
      >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
      >> issues
      >> are apples and oranges to me.
      >>
      >> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
      >>
      >> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying
      >> a
      >> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
      >> location?
      >>
      >> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
      >>
      >> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
      >> us,
      >> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
      >> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
      >>
      >> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the war
      >> quicker! (laughing)
      >>
      >> D: Not funny!
      >>
      >> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
      >> either.
      >>
      >> J: Look Dan -
      >>
      >> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get, I
      >> am
      >> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
      >>
      >> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
      >>
      >> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
      >> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should have
      >> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
      >> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
      >> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You withhold
      >> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
      >>
      >> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
      >> changed the course pushing us off T2.
      >>
      >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
      >>
      >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
      >> glasses.
      >>
      >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
      >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
      >>
      >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
      >>
      >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
      >> that
      >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
      >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
      >> not
      >> the full story.
      >>
      >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
      >> claims
      >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
      >>
      >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
      >>
      >> D: Thank you!
      >>
      >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
      >> Majestic
      >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
      >>
      >> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
      >>
      >> J: Not really, it will miss us.
      >>
      >> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
      >> sure
      >> it will miss us?
      >>
      >> J: The numbers say it will miss.
      >>
      >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
      >>
      >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
      >> glasses.
      >>
      >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
      >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
      >>
      >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
      >>
      >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
      >> that
      >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
      >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
      >> not
      >> the full story.
      >>
      >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
      >> claims
      >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
      >>
      >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
      >>
      >> D: Thank you!
      >>
      >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
      >> Majestic
      >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
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      >>
      >> Dondep
      >> Moderator
      >>
      >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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      >> Location: Las Vegas
      >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> Clarifications
      >>
      >> Dan wrote:
      >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
      >> There
      >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
      >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
      >> with
      >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
      >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
      >> Back
      >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
      >>
      >> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried to
      >> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
      >> Hilton
      >> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
      >> us
      >> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
      >> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
      >> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
      >> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
      >> and
      >> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
      >> wrong
      >> moments.
      >>
      >> Ann wrote:
      >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
      >> the
      >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
      >>
      >> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
      >>
      >> Dan wrote:
      >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
      >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
      >> issues
      >> are apples and oranges to me.
      >>
      >> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with Marci,
      >> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
      >> laugh
      >> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
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      Bill, I have been off-line for a while due to network problems and have only just got back on-line. You seem to have dismissed my points rather lightly. I
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        Bill,

        I have been off-line for a while due to network problems and have
        only just got back on-line.

        You seem to have dismissed my points rather lightly. I hope you
        understand that I was not trying to criticise you; I was trying to point
        out the only solution that I could see to your expressed problem. Before
        replying, I think I should say that I do not see this issue as a private
        matter between ourselves but as a public one that implicates at least
        everyone in the UFO community and possibly everyone in the world.

        Bill: "I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's, all I
        can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard evidence so you
        can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative. Might as well as ask me
        for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens. Its just not there."

        Regan: Perhaps I misled you by referring to "hard" evidence. I meant it in
        the sense of its being physical and objective in the way that photographs,
        tissue samples, voice-recordings, etc. might be accepted as "hard" evidence
        in a court of law. I did not mean "hard" in the sense of its automatically
        compelling conviction (although that would help, of course). If I had meant
        it in that sense, I would not also have suggested that the evidence needs to
        be assessed as I did do.

        But let me get what you are saying straight, Bill. Are you telling
        me that, after years of intensive investigation of Dan and his alarming
        claims about on-going human-alien relationships, trade-deals and abductions
        regulated by secret treaties, manipulation of the earth's time-line,
        unstable stargates, an apocalyptic geophysical threat to the whole planet
        coming around 2012 and the discovery of a positive proto-virus with
        miraculous healing capabilities (which could, potentially, be diverted to
        use as a secret superweapon) and more, there is in fact NO physical,
        objective evidence (i.e. "hard" in the sense that I meant it) and there
        never will be? Because if you are, then I think I should remind you of the
        time a while back when you took Dex to task in this forum for "crying wolf"
        too often without having any real evidence to back up his alarming claims.
        Dan's radical claims are alarming to the point of being profoundly
        psychologically disturbing because they threaten to overturn people's
        established worldviews. He is speaking the stuff of which people's worst
        nightmares are
        made. He has cried "WOLF!" at 300 decibels. So where is the evidence for
        the wolf? I think people will feel entitled to see it, or else to write Dan
        and his confederates off as the noisome, troublesome, time-wasting practical
        jokers that they will have demonstrated themselves to be. That is the
        predictable public reaction. It would not be my reaction, but all this is
        not about me. It is about you and Dan and your troubled relationship with
        the public. As I said, this is not a private matter.


        Bill: "I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which is
        about all one can do in a UFO case."

        Regan: This is not a typical UFO case and in principle there is more that
        you and/or Dan could do by way of providing substantial evidence to support
        at least some of his claims (in the absence of a legal prohibition from
        higher authority). For example, take Dan's alleged discovery of the Ganesh
        particle. What is to stop you from publishing a set of replicable scientific
        experiments which other scientists could do to verify its existence? The
        U.S. military/secret-government/whatever would not be able to claim
        intellectual ownership without exposing itself and Dan might even end up
        with a nobel prize and get the undivided attention of Congress on his case.
        Admittedly it would be much harder to provide direct evidence for the
        existence of the J-Rod (such as a signed photograph and a DVD for all his
        fans and well-wishers), but again an indirect method might be possible. For
        instance, Dan claims to have studied the J-Rod's DNA. Perhaps it would be
        possible for a gene-lab, acting on instructions supplied by Dan, to mutate a
        suitable terrestrially occuring cell into a J-Rod analogue and then to
        compare the behaviour and properties of that cell with those described by
        Dan as occurring in the J-Rod original. Similar indirect tests might be
        possible in regard to his other claims too. One has to be inventive about
        it of course, but "nothing ventured, nothing gained" as the saying goes.
        Anyway, I really think you should consider all possible alternatives before
        giving up, Bill, because the consequences of your doing that are awful to
        contemplate for you both - and for the world if Dan's claims are true.


        Bill: "Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
        video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one jot of it is
        accepted. I am even skeptical."

        Regan: You are making my point for me, Bill. Meier has at least provided
        some putative physical evidence for his claims that is subject to critical
        examination and testing. To date, Dan has supplied little or none. It may
        not be his
        fault that he has been unable to supply it but the public will not care
        about that when they make their judgement of him. If Dan does not produce
        any testable evidence at all to back up his claims, they will give more
        credence to Meier's hub cap-like photos than they will to Dan's
        unsubstantiated claims.


        Bill: "If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a UFO
        case, then be my guest."

        Regan: I hardly think this is about anyone's ability to provide hard
        evidence for just any old UFO-case, Bill. It is about the lack of any
        substantial evidence for one case in particular, which is not even a simple
        UFO-case anyway but is a complex case involving longstanding secret
        relationships between human and ET societies and of which UFOs are a minor
        feature. The difficulties of proving it are correspondingly immense. I was
        trying to offer help to you who are caught in this exceptionally difficult
        situation. The case has serious implications for terrestrial politics which
        I think only the most irresponsible-minded of people would feel that they
        can safely ignore - if Dan's claims are true. And if they are not true, he
        will be responsible for having disturbed and distressed a lot of people to
        no purpose. So the question of whether or not they are true is an important
        one which the public who he has aroused really does need to be able to
        decide. How can they decide it if not by the consideration of evidence?

        Regan


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: William Hamilton
        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 PM
        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


        Regan,

        I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
        all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
        evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
        Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
        Its just not there.

        I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
        is about all one can do in a UFO case.

        Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
        video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
        jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.

        If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
        UFO case, then be my guest.

        Bill


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: <masanga@...>
        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


        > Bill,
        >
        > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
        > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem to
        > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also providing
        > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and lurid
        > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
        > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
        > we
        > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
        > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they will
        > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
        > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
        > like
        > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you, Dan
        > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
        >
        > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's radical
        > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
        > think
        > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come out
        > of
        > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
        > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
        > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import of
        > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are assessed
        > as
        > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his message
        > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
        > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
        > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
        > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
        > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
        > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really be
        > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they can
        > do
        > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
        > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
        > should
        > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do under
        > the circumstances.
        >
        > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
        > yourselves
        > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
        > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking. Both
        > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
        > free
        > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so far
        > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
        > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
        > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
        > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
        > and
        > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in control
        > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
        > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
        > suspect
        > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
        > "part
        > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer and
        > a
        > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
        > accordingly.
        > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
        > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater or
        > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
        > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
        > but
        > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
        > contradictory.
        > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
        > and
        > general confusion in people's minds.
        >
        > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an instant
        > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that is
        > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I think
        > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their judgement
        > in
        > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in the
        > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that. But
        > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
        > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive things
        > to do.
        >
        > Sincerely,
        > Regan
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: William Hamilton
        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
        >
        >
        > Dex,
        >
        > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted on
        > these forums
        > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
        > Golden
        > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
        > understood
        > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
        > out
        > of
        > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
        >
        > Sincerely,
        >
        > Bill Hamilton
        > AstroScience Research
        > http://www.astrosciences.info
        > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
        > incredible."
        > Fred Hoyle
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
        > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
        > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
        >
        > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
        > A=Ann
        > D=Dan B.
        > M=Marci
        > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
        > --------------
        > Dxx=Dondep
        >
        > Dex
        > ******************************************************************
        > Cross posting:
        >
        > Dondep wrote:
        >
        > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
        >
        > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
        > feint,
        > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
        >
        > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
        > how
        > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
        > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in response
        > to
        > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
        >
        > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
        > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
        > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
        > 18th
        > induction last year.
        >
        > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
        > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
        > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse; oh
        > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
        > 'religious
        > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined, which
        > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
        > made
        > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
        > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything to
        > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
        > would
        > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn doctorate
        > is
        > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate it
        > in
        > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for something
        > REAL.
        >
        > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character assassination
        > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
        > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
        >
        > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
        >
        > ----------------------------------------------------------
        >
        > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
        > Vance at GLP wrote:
        >
        > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
        > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
        > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
        > was
        > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
        > his
        > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
        >
        > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
        > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did any
        > of
        > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
        > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
        > exist,
        > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used as
        > a
        > freebe disinfo tool.
        >
        > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
        > you
        > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
        > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
        > consider other claims he makes.
        >
        > Quoting: Vance 302106
        >
        > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be free
        > to talk about at all...."
        > ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
        >
        > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
        > 'official'
        > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
        > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
        > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
        >
        > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
        > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
        > reality,
        > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
        > population of the world. ....."
        >
        > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
        > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
        > April 13th, 2005:
        >
        > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations of
        > a
        > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
        > between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
        > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
        > as
        > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
        > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
        > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of the
        > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
        > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
        > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
        > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
        > the
        > issuing authority."
        > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
        >
        > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link to
        > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
        >
        > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12 lawyer,
        > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
        > help
        > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
        > they
        > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
        >
        > Todd wrote:
        > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
        > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
        > generated
        > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
        > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
        > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please prove
        > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
        > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
        >
        > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
        >
        > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to use,
        > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
        > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
        > him
        > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
        > all
        > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only Dan
        > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
        > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality a
        > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
        > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
        > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while on
        > a
        > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
        > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in as
        > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
        > that
        > happened.
        >
        > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
        > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how he'll
        > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same day!
        >
        > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
        > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over" when
        > in
        > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan in
        > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
        > had
        > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
        > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
        > them.
        >
        > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
        > Hoi all,
        > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
        > I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
        > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not correct.
        > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if 10%
        > is
        > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
        > unknown.
        > JAn
        >
        > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
        >
        > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
        > treehouse
        > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on Oct
        > 2,
        > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
        > blinded
        > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
        > also
        > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
        > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
        > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
        > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
        > with
        > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
        > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
        > independent
        > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
        > public
        > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
        > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
        > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play the
        > role of Dan.}
        >
        > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
        > 10%
        > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
        > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
        > Dick
        > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of the
        > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
        > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one thing,
        > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to the
        > future of humanity.
        >
        > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
        > .........
        > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm still
        > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
        > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle interest
        > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
        > fantasies,
        > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion group
        > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about the
        > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to discuss
        > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be Dan's
        > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
        > she
        > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's wife...oh,
        > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
        > reconciliation,
        > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting. (Maybe
        > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
        > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend who
        > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
        > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
        > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
        > project
        > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
        > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what difference
        > it
        > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
        > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
        > explain further.
        >
        > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
        >
        > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
        > appears
        > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit in
        > a
        > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
        > once
        > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she got
        > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
        > business
        > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
        > community
        > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to the
        > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
        > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
        > accused
        > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
        >
        > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
        > as
        > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
        > and
        > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
        > sinker
        > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
        > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
        > the
        > information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered to
        > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
        > shied
        > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly admitted
        > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or the
        > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of what
        > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
        > that? Hmmmmmm......
        >
        > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
        > But
        > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
        > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
        > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
        > George
        > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
        > when
        > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
        > evidence
        > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
        > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The balance
        > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
        > "The
        > tissue ain't the issue!"
        >
        > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
        > Doreen
        > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
        > such
        > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
        > or
        > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or 2
        > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
        > could
        > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
        > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
        > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
        >
        > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth changes
        > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
        >
        > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
        > Hey DonDep!!
        >
        > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread on
        > an
        > artifact dealing with time.
        >
        > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the work
        > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
        >
        > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
        > what-so-ever.
        >
        > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
        >
        > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
        > or
        > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
        >
        > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with you.
        >
        > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
        >
        > Namaste
        > Z
        >
        > Quoting: zacksavage
        >
        > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
        > original
        > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
        > once
        > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were there
        > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be able
        > to
        > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we were
        > all naive to it.
        >
        > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
        > black-ops
        > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
        > Reason
        > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
        > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
        > via
        > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
        > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
        > them
        > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
        > we
        > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
        > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
        > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he had',
        > as
        > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he use
        > it?"
        >
        > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
        > black
        > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la Moses;
        > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
        > FBI
        > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
        > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and merciful
        > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
        > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
        > .......
        > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
        > what-so-ever.
        >
        > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
        >
        > Therein lies the quandary!
        >
        > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff' over
        > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a couple
        > of
        > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
        > but
        > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've always
        > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
        >
        > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
        > But,
        > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
        > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
        > the
        > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with the
        > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
        > to
        > be trapped in either when the time came.
        >
        > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
        > words.
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        > Dondep
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        > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
        > Ann
        >
        > ----------------------------------------------------------
        >
        > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
        >
        > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
        > Dadmiral
        > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
        > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
        >
        > ----------------------------------------------------------
        >
        > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which you
        > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
        > you
        > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
        > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit us!
        > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
        > Looking
        > Glass showed.
        >
        > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
        >
        > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in case
        > we
        > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for some
        > time.
        >
        > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
        >
        > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
        >
        > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that. There
        > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
        > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak with
        > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
        > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant. Back
        > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
        >
        > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability of
        > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible range.
        > I
        > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
        >
        > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved thing.
        > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
        > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
        >
        > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
        >
        > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of provisions
        > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
        > way
        > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
        > told
        > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
        >
        > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting the
        > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
        >
        > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
        >
        > A: Dxx, silly!
        >
        > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
        > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
        > issues
        > are apples and oranges to me.
        >
        > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
        >
        > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying a
        > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
        > location?
        >
        > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
        >
        > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
        > us,
        > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
        > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
        >
        > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the war
        > quicker! (laughing)
        >
        > D: Not funny!
        >
        > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
        > either.
        >
        > J: Look Dan -
        >
        > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get, I
        > am
        > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
        >
        > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
        >
        > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
        > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should have
        > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
        > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
        > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You withhold
        > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
        >
        > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
        > changed the course pushing us off T2.
        >
        > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
        >
        > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The glasses.
        >
        > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
        > choice but to announce what I've learned!
        >
        > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
        >
        > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
        > that
        > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
        > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
        > not
        > the full story.
        >
        > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic claims
        > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
        >
        > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
        >
        > D: Thank you!
        >
        > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
        > Majestic
        > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
        >
        > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
        >
        > J: Not really, it will miss us.
        >
        > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are sure
        > it will miss us?
        >
        > J: The numbers say it will miss.
        >
        > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
        >
        > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The glasses.
        >
        > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
        > choice but to announce what I've learned!
        >
        > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
        >
        > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
        > that
        > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
        > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
        > not
        > the full story.
        >
        > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic claims
        > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
        >
        > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
        >
        > D: Thank you!
        >
        > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
        > Majestic
        > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
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        > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
        >
        > ----------------------------------------------------------
        >
        > Clarifications
        >
        > Dan wrote:
        > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that. There
        > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
        > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak with
        > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
        > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant. Back
        > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
        >
        > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried to
        > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
        > Hilton
        > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call us
        > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
        > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
        > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
        > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
        > and
        > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the wrong
        > moments.
        >
        > Ann wrote:
        > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting the
        > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
        >
        > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
        >
        > Dan wrote:
        > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
        > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
        > issues
        > are apples and oranges to me.
        >
        > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with Marci,
        > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
        > laugh
        > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
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      • masanga@talktalk.net
        Dex, If Dan is not allowed by his bosses to present the proofs that are needed to back up his claims, then his position seems pretty dire to me because it
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          Dex,

          If Dan is not allowed by his bosses to present the proofs that are
          needed to back up his claims, then his position seems pretty dire to me
          because it means they will have hung him out to dry. I am now wondering
          whether Bill has realised this and it is the real reason for his slinking
          away from the field of battle in order to "do something more productive"
          elsewhere. I cannot believe that the real reason for it is his disgust at
          the insignificant ravings of the mindless rabble that infest a few web-sites
          as his explanation here suggests.

          Regan


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Dex
          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:58 PM
          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


          Very valid statements Regan..and that was a good reply Bill.
          Until proof is allowed...

          Dex


          > Regan,
          >
          > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
          > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
          > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
          > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
          > Its just not there.
          >
          > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
          > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
          >
          > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
          > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
          > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
          >
          > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
          > UFO case, then be my guest.
          >
          > Bill
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: <masanga@...>
          > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
          >
          >
          > > Bill,
          > >
          > > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
          > > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
          to
          > > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
          providing
          > > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
          lurid
          > > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
          > > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
          far
          > > we
          > > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
          > > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
          will
          > > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
          > > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
          > > like
          > > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
          Dan
          > > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
          > >
          > > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
          radical
          > > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
          > > think
          > > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
          out
          > > of
          > > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
          > > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
          > > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
          of
          > > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
          assessed
          > > as
          > > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
          message
          > > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
          > > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
          > > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
          > > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
          > > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
          > > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
          be
          > > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
          can
          > > do
          > > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
          > > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
          > > should
          > > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
          under
          > > the circumstances.
          > >
          > > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
          > > yourselves
          > > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
          > > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
          Both
          > > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
          > > free
          > > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
          far
          > > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
          > > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
          > > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
          > > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
          > > and
          > > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
          control
          > > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
          > > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
          > > suspect
          > > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
          > > "part
          > > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
          and
          > > a
          > > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
          > > accordingly.
          > > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
          > > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
          or
          > > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
          > > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
          reproach,
          > > but
          > > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
          > > contradictory.
          > > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
          you
          > > and
          > > general confusion in people's minds.
          > >
          > > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
          instant
          > > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
          is
          > > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
          think
          > > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
          judgement
          > > in
          > > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
          the
          > > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
          But
          > > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
          > > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
          things
          > > to do.
          > >
          > > Sincerely,
          > > Regan
          > >
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: William Hamilton
          > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
          > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
          > >
          > >
          > > Dex,
          > >
          > > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
          on
          > > these forums
          > > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
          > > Golden
          > > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
          > > understood
          > > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
          > > out
          > > of
          > > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
          > >
          > > Sincerely,
          > >
          > > Bill Hamilton
          > > AstroScience Research
          > > http://www.astrosciences.info
          > > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
          > > incredible."
          > > Fred Hoyle
          > >
          > > ----- Original Message -----
          > > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
          > > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
          > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
          > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
          > >
          > > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
          > > A=Ann
          > > D=Dan B.
          > > M=Marci
          > > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
          > > --------------
          > > Dxx=Dondep
          > >
          > > Dex
          > > ******************************************************************
          > > Cross posting:
          > >
          > > Dondep wrote:
          > >
          > > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
          > >
          > > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
          > > feint,
          > > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
          > >
          > > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
          of
          > > how
          > > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
          > > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
          response
          > > to
          > > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
          > >
          > > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
          > > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
          > > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
          > > 18th
          > > induction last year.
          > >
          > > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
          > > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
          > > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
          oh
          > > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
          > > 'religious
          > > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
          which
          > > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
          > > made
          > > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
          > > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
          to
          > > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
          > > would
          > > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
          doctorate
          > > is
          > > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
          it
          > > in
          > > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
          something
          > > REAL.
          > >
          > > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
          assassination
          > > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
          > > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
          > >
          > > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
          > >
          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
          > >
          > > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
          > > Vance at GLP wrote:
          > >
          > > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
          > > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
          > > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
          > > was
          > > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
          opening
          > > his
          > > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
          > >
          > > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
          > > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
          any
          > > of
          > > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
          > > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
          > > exist,
          > > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
          as
          > > a
          > > freebe disinfo tool.
          > >
          > > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
          Have
          > > you
          > > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
          > > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
          > > consider other claims he makes.
          > >
          > > Quoting: Vance 302106
          > >
          > > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
          free
          > > to talk about at all...."
          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
          -------------------------
          > >
          > > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
          > > 'official'
          > > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
          > > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
          > > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
          > >
          > > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
          > > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
          > > reality,
          > > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
          > > population of the world. ....."
          > >
          > > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
          > > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
          > > April 13th, 2005:
          > >
          > > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
          of
          > > a
          > > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
          > > between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
          > > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
          you
          > > as
          > > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
          > > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
          > > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
          the
          > > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
          > > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
          > > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
          > > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
          by
          > > the
          > > issuing authority."
          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
          ---------------------------
          > >
          > > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
          to
          > > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
          > >
          > > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
          lawyer,
          > > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
          > > help
          > > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
          > > they
          > > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
          > >
          > > Todd wrote:
          > > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
          > > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
          > > generated
          > > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
          > > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
          > > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
          prove
          > > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
          > > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
          > >
          > > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
          > >
          > > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
          use,
          > > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
          > > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
          > > him
          > > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
          > > all
          > > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
          Dan
          > > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
          > > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
          a
          > > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
          > > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
          > > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
          on
          > > a
          > > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
          > > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
          as
          > > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
          > > that
          > > happened.
          > >
          > > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
          > > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
          he'll
          > > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
          day!
          > >
          > > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
          > > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
          when
          > > in
          > > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
          in
          > > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
          > > had
          > > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
          > > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
          > > them.
          > >
          > > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
          > > Hoi all,
          > > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
          > > I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
          > > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
          correct.
          > > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
          10%
          > > is
          > > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
          > > unknown.
          > > JAn
          > >
          > > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
          > >
          > > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
          > > treehouse
          > > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
          Oct
          > > 2,
          > > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
          > > blinded
          > > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
          > > also
          > > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
          > > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
          > > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
          > > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
          > > with
          > > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
          > > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
          > > independent
          > > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
          > > public
          > > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
          > > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
          > > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
          the
          > > role of Dan.}
          > >
          > > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
          least
          > > 10%
          > > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
          > > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
          > > Dick
          > > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
          the
          > > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
          > > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
          thing,
          > > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
          the
          > > future of humanity.
          > >
          > > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
          > > .........
          > > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
          still
          > > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
          > > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
          interest
          > > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
          > > fantasies,
          > > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
          group
          > > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
          the
          > > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
          discuss
          > > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
          Dan's
          > > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
          what
          > > she
          > > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
          wife...oh,
          > > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
          > > reconciliation,
          > > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
          (Maybe
          > > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
          > > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
          who
          > > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
          > > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
          > > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
          > > project
          > > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
          > > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
          difference
          > > it
          > > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
          > > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
          > > explain further.
          > >
          > > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
          > >
          > > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
          > > appears
          > > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
          in
          > > a
          > > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
          > > once
          > > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
          got
          > > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
          > > business
          > > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
          > > community
          > > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
          the
          > > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
          > > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
          > > accused
          > > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
          > >
          > > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
          question
          > > as
          > > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
          > > and
          > > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
          > > sinker
          > > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
          > > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
          that
          > > the
          > > information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
          to
          > > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
          > > shied
          > > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
          admitted
          > > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
          the
          > > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
          what
          > > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
          > > that? Hmmmmmm......
          > >
          > > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
          > > But
          > > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
          > > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
          > > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
          > > George
          > > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
          > > when
          > > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
          > > evidence
          > > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
          > > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
          balance
          > > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
          > > "The
          > > tissue ain't the issue!"
          > >
          > > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
          > > Doreen
          > > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
          > > such
          > > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
          received,
          > > or
          > > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
          or 2
          > > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
          > > could
          > > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
          > > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
          > > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
          > >
          > > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
          changes
          > > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
          > >
          > > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
          > > Hey DonDep!!
          > >
          > > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
          on
          > > an
          > > artifact dealing with time.
          > >
          > > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
          work
          > > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
          > >
          > > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
          > > what-so-ever.
          > >
          > > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
          > >
          > > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
          did
          > > or
          > > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
          > >
          > > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
          you.
          > >
          > > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
          > >
          > > Namaste
          > > Z
          > >
          > > Quoting: zacksavage
          > >
          > > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
          > > original
          > > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
          > > once
          > > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
          there
          > > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
          able
          > > to
          > > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
          were
          > > all naive to it.
          > >
          > > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
          > > black-ops
          > > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
          > > Reason
          > > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
          > > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
          > > via
          > > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
          > > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
          > > them
          > > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
          which
          > > we
          > > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
          > > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
          > > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
          had',
          > > as
          > > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
          use
          > > it?"
          > >
          > > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
          > > black
          > > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
          Moses;
          > > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
          > > FBI
          > > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
          > > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
          merciful
          > > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
          > > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
          > > .......
          > > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
          validation
          > > what-so-ever.
          > >
          > > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
          > >
          > > Therein lies the quandary!
          > >
          > > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
          over
          > > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
          couple
          > > of
          > > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
          > > but
          > > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
          always
          > > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
          > >
          > > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
          > > But,
          > > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
          > > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
          City,
          > > the
          > > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
          the
          > > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
          place
          > > to
          > > be trapped in either when the time came.
          > >
          > > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
          > > words.
          > > _________________
          > > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
          > > Dondep or Dagwood
          > > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
          > > #420
          > > Las Vegas, NV 89121
          > >
          > > Dondep
          > > Moderator
          > >
          > > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
          > > Posts: 255
          > > Location: Las Vegas
          > > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
          > > Ann
          > >
          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
          > >
          > > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
          > >
          > > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
          > > Dadmiral
          > > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
          > > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
          > >
          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
          > >
          > > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
          you
          > > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
          > > you
          > > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
          > > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
          us!
          > > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
          > > Looking
          > > Glass showed.
          > >
          > > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
          > >
          > > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
          case
          > > we
          > > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
          some
          > > time.
          > >
          > > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
          > >
          > > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
          > >
          > > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
          There
          > > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
          > > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
          with
          > > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
          > > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
          Back
          > > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
          > >
          > > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
          of
          > > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
          range.
          > > I
          > > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
          > >
          > > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
          thing.
          > > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
          > > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
          > >
          > > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
          > >
          > > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
          provisions
          > > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
          > > way
          > > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
          > > told
          > > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
          > >
          > > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
          the
          > > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
          > >
          > > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
          > >
          > > A: Dxx, silly!
          > >
          > > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
          > > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
          > > issues
          > > are apples and oranges to me.
          > >
          > > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
          > >
          > > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
          readying a
          > > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
          > > location?
          > >
          > > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
          > >
          > > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
          hitting
          > > us,
          > > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
          > > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
          > >
          > > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
          war
          > > quicker! (laughing)
          > >
          > > D: Not funny!
          > >
          > > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
          > > either.
          > >
          > > J: Look Dan -
          > >
          > > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
          I
          > > am
          > > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
          > >
          > > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
          > >
          > > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
          > > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
          have
          > > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
          > > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
          > > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
          withhold
          > > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
          > >
          > > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
          > > changed the course pushing us off T2.
          > >
          > > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
          > >
          > > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
          glasses.
          > >
          > > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
          > > choice but to announce what I've learned!
          > >
          > > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
          > >
          > > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
          > > that
          > > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
          > > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
          > > not
          > > the full story.
          > >
          > > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
          claims
          > > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
          > >
          > > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
          > >
          > > D: Thank you!
          > >
          > > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
          > > Majestic
          > > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
          > >
          > > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
          > >
          > > J: Not really, it will miss us.
          > >
          > > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
          sure
          > > it will miss us?
          > >
          > > J: The numbers say it will miss.
          > >
          > > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
          > >
          > > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
          glasses.
          > >
          > > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
          > > choice but to announce what I've learned!
          > >
          > > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
          > >
          > > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
          > > that
          > > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
          > > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
          > > not
          > > the full story.
          > >
          > > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
          claims
          > > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
          > >
          > > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
          > >
          > > D: Thank you!
          > >
          > > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
          > > Majestic
          > > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
          > > _________________
          > > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
          > > Dondep or Dagwood
          > > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
          > > #420
          > > Las Vegas, NV 89121
          > >
          > > Back to top
          > >
          > > Dondep
          > > Moderator
          > >
          > > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
          > > Posts: 255
          > > Location: Las Vegas
          > > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
          > >
          > > ----------------------------------------------------------
          > >
          > > Clarifications
          > >
          > > Dan wrote:
          > > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
          There
          > > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
          > > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
          with
          > > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
          > > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
          Back
          > > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
          > >
          > > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
          to
          > > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
          > > Hilton
          > > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
          us
          > > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
          > > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
          > > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
          > > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
          > > and
          > > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
          wrong
          > > moments.
          > >
          > > Ann wrote:
          > > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
          the
          > > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
          > >
          > > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
          > >
          > > Dan wrote:
          > > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
          > > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
          > > issues
          > > are apples and oranges to me.
          > >
          > > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
          Marci,
          > > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
          > > laugh
          > > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
          > > _________________
          > > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
          > > Dondep or Dagwood
          > > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
          > > #420
          > > Las Vegas, NV 89121
        • William Hamilton
          No, Regan, the real reason is that I am burned out on the subject and have numerous other interests that I would like to spend time pursuing. Bill ... From:
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            No, Regan, the real reason is that I am burned out on the subject and
            have numerous other interests that I would like to spend time pursuing.

            Bill

            ----- Original Message -----
            From: <masanga@...>
            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:13 AM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


            > Dex,
            >
            > If Dan is not allowed by his bosses to present the proofs that
            are
            > needed to back up his claims, then his position seems pretty dire to me
            > because it means they will have hung him out to dry. I am now wondering
            > whether Bill has realised this and it is the real reason for his
            slinking
            > away from the field of battle in order to "do something more productive"
            > elsewhere. I cannot believe that the real reason for it is his disgust
            at
            > the insignificant ravings of the mindless rabble that infest a few
            web-sites
            > as his explanation here suggests.
            >
            > Regan
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: Dex
            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:58 PM
            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
            >
            >
            > Very valid statements Regan..and that was a good reply Bill.
            > Until proof is allowed...
            >
            > Dex
            >
            >
            >> Regan,
            >>
            >> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
            >> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
            >> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
            >> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or
            aliens.
            >> Its just not there.
            >>
            >> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
            >> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
            >>
            >> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
            >> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
            >> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
            >>
            >> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
            >> UFO case, then be my guest.
            >>
            >> Bill
            >>
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: <masanga@...>
            >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
            >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
            >>
            >>
            >> > Bill,
            >> >
            >> > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
            in
            >> > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does
            seem
            > to
            >> > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
            > providing
            >> > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
            > lurid
            >> > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
            come
            >> > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
            > far
            >> > we
            >> > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
            requires
            >> > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
            > will
            >> > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
            in
            >> > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether
            we
            >> > like
            >> > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But
            you,
            > Dan
            >> > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
            >> >
            >> > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
            > radical
            >> > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
            >> > think
            >> > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
            > out
            >> > of
            >> > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
            >> > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
            ufology
            >> > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant
            import
            > of
            >> > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
            > assessed
            >> > as
            >> > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
            > message
            >> > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his
            claimed
            >> > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding
            of
            >> > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems
            to
            >> > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
            >> > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
            >> > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists
            really
            > be
            >> > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
            > can
            >> > do
            >> > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent
            imaginative
            >> > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
            >> > should
            >> > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
            > under
            >> > the circumstances.
            >> >
            >> > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
            >> > yourselves
            >> > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by
            the
            >> > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
            > Both
            >> > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are
            not
            >> > free
            >> > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in
            so
            > far
            >> > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
            to
            >> > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
            >> > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
            >> > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with
            Dan
            >> > and
            >> > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
            > control
            >> > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
            disinterested
            >> > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
            >> > suspect
            >> > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
            >> > "part
            >> > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
            > and
            >> > a
            >> > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
            >> > accordingly.
            >> > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
            >> > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a
            greater
            > or
            >> > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it!
            Your
            >> > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
            > reproach,
            >> > but
            >> > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
            >> > contradictory.
            >> > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
            > you
            >> > and
            >> > general confusion in people's minds.
            >> >
            >> > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
            > instant
            >> > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence
            that
            > is
            >> > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
            > think
            >> > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
            > judgement
            >> > in
            >> > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time
            in
            > the
            >> > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
            > But
            >> > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan
            and
            >> > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
            > things
            >> > to do.
            >> >
            >> > Sincerely,
            >> > Regan
            >> >
            >> >
            >> > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > From: William Hamilton
            >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
            >> > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
            >> >
            >> >
            >> > Dex,
            >> >
            >> > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets
            posted
            > on
            >> > these forums
            >> > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
            The
            >> > Golden
            >> > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen
            or
            >> > understood
            >> > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to
            fade
            >> > out
            >> > of
            >> > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
            >> >
            >> > Sincerely,
            >> >
            >> > Bill Hamilton
            >> > AstroScience Research
            >> > http://www.astrosciences.info
            >> > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
            >> > incredible."
            >> > Fred Hoyle
            >> >
            >> > ----- Original Message -----
            >> > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
            >> > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
            >> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
            >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
            >> >
            >> > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
            >> > A=Ann
            >> > D=Dan B.
            >> > M=Marci
            >> > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
            >> > --------------
            >> > Dxx=Dondep
            >> >
            >> > Dex
            >> > ******************************************************************
            >> > Cross posting:
            >> >
            >> > Dondep wrote:
            >> >
            >> > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
            >> >
            >> > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
            >> > feint,
            >> > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
            >> >
            >> > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
            > of
            >> > how
            >> > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
            >> > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
            > response
            >> > to
            >> > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
            >> >
            >> > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
            >> > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line.
            I
            >> > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the
            May
            >> > 18th
            >> > induction last year.
            >> >
            >> > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
            from
            >> > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was
            the
            >> > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as
            worse;
            > oh
            >> > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
            >> > 'religious
            >> > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
            > which
            >> > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me,
            references
            >> > made
            >> > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
            triangulate
            >> > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have
            anything
            > to
            >> > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said
            he
            >> > would
            >> > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
            > doctorate
            >> > is
            >> > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA
            validate
            > it
            >> > in
            >> > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
            > something
            >> > REAL.
            >> >
            >> > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
            > assassination
            >> > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
            being
            >> > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
            >> >
            >> > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe
            forums":
            >> >
            >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
            >> >
            >> > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
            >> > Vance at GLP wrote:
            >> >
            >> > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
            US
            >> > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and
            going
            >> > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if
            there
            >> > was
            >> > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
            > opening
            >> > his
            >> > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
            >> >
            >> > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
            this
            >> > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
            > any
            >> > of
            >> > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
            >> > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
            >> > exist,
            >> > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be
            used
            > as
            >> > a
            >> > freebe disinfo tool.
            >> >
            >> > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
            > Have
            >> > you
            >> > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
            I'd
            >> > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
            >> > consider other claims he makes.
            >> >
            >> > Quoting: Vance 302106
            >> >
            >> > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
            > free
            >> > to talk about at all...."
            >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
            > -------------------------
            >> >
            >> > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
            >> > 'official'
            >> > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a
            copy,
            >> > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we
            have
            >> > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
            >> >
            >> > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of
            your
            >> > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
            >> > reality,
            >> > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to
            the
            >> > population of the world. ....."
            >> >
            >> > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
            To
            >> > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit
            of
            >> > April 13th, 2005:
            >> >
            >> > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the
            negotiations
            > of
            >> > a
            >> > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
            Humanity",
            >> > between present human authorities and certain individuals
            representing
            >> > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
            > you
            >> > as
            >> > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had
            physical
            >> > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
            >> > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence
            of
            > the
            >> > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
            stipulated
            >> > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
            >> > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
            >> > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
            > by
            >> > the
            >> > issuing authority."
            >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
            > ---------------------------
            >> >
            >> > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at
            [link
            > to
            >> > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
            >> >
            >> > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
            > lawyer,
            >> > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me
            to
            >> > help
            >> > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long
            as
            >> > they
            >> > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming
            poleshift.
            >> >
            >> > Todd wrote:
            >> > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
            >> > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
            >> > generated
            >> > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
            >> > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
            >> > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
            > prove
            >> > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still
            writing
            >> > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
            >> >
            >> > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
            >> >
            >> > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
            > use,
            >> > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
            of
            >> > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan
            knows
            >> > him
            >> > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because
            of
            >> > all
            >> > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
            > Dan
            >> > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
            he
            >> > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his
            personality
            > a
            >> > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
            and
            >> > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's
            filet-o-fish
            >> > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one
            while
            > on
            >> > a
            >> > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
            cigars,
            >> > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit
            in
            > as
            >> > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found
            before
            >> > that
            >> > happened.
            >> >
            >> > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him
            on
            >> > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
            > he'll
            >> > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
            > day!
            >> >
            >> > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's
            an
            >> > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
            > when
            >> > in
            >> > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get
            Dan
            > in
            >> > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's
            already
            >> > had
            >> > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
            >> > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
            >> > them.
            >> >
            >> > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
            >> > Hoi all,
            >> > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
            >> > I�m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
            >> > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
            > correct.
            >> > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
            > 10%
            >> > is
            >> > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that�s why I�m
            >> > unknown.
            >> > JAn
            >> >
            >> > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
            >> >
            >> > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
            >> > treehouse
            >> > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
            > Oct
            >> > 2,
            >> > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
            >> > blinded
            >> > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell
            are
            >> > also
            >> > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
            occasional
            >> > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
            >> > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
            bogus
            >> > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any
            fault
            >> > with
            >> > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed
            the
            >> > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
            >> > independent
            >> > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
            >> > public
            >> > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
            >> > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
            >> > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to
            play
            > the
            >> > role of Dan.}
            >> >
            >> > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
            > least
            >> > 10%
            >> > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the
            99%
            >> > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes
            of
            >> > Dick
            >> > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest
            of
            > the
            >> > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders'
            and
            >> > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
            > thing,
            >> > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
            > the
            >> > future of humanity.
            >> >
            >> > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
            >> > .........
            >> > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
            > still
            >> > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
            "October",
            >> > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
            > interest
            >> > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
            >> > fantasies,
            >> > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
            > group
            >> > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
            > the
            >> > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
            > discuss
            >> > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
            > Dan's
            >> > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
            > what
            >> > she
            >> > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
            > wife...oh,
            >> > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
            >> > reconciliation,
            >> > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
            > (Maybe
            >> > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
            at
            >> > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a
            friend
            > who
            >> > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that
            Dan
            >> > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
            >> > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
            >> > project
            >> > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
            didn't
            >> > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
            > difference
            >> > it
            >> > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
            ridiculous---but
            >> > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again
            and
            >> > explain further.
            >> >
            >> > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
            >> >
            >> > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
            >> > appears
            >> > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last
            bit
            > in
            >> > a
            >> > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at
            least
            >> > once
            >> > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after
            she
            > got
            >> > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
            >> > business
            >> > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
            >> > community
            >> > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
            > the
            >> > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
            >> > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
            >> > accused
            >> > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
            >> >
            >> > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
            > question
            >> > as
            >> > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell"
            right,
            >> > and
            >> > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
            >> > sinker
            >> > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
            Burisch
            >> > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
            > that
            >> > the
            >> > information that's been important isn't so much what's been
            volunteered
            > to
            >> > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
            >> > shied
            >> > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
            > admitted
            >> > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
            > the
            >> > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
            > what
            >> > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda
            like
            >> > that? Hmmmmmm......
            >> >
            >> > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4
            complex.
            >> > But
            >> > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
            >> > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
            what
            >> > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
            >> > George
            >> > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the
            day
            >> > when
            >> > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
            >> > evidence
            >> > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams
            and
            >> > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
            > balance
            >> > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE
            ISSUE.
            >> > "The
            >> > tissue ain't the issue!"
            >> >
            >> > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
            >> > Doreen
            >> > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know
            about
            >> > such
            >> > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
            > received,
            >> > or
            >> > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
            > or 2
            >> > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
            >> > could
            >> > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
            their
            >> > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
            >> > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
            >> >
            >> > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
            > changes
            >> > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
            >> >
            >> > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
            >> > Hey DonDep!!
            >> >
            >> > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a
            thread
            > on
            >> > an
            >> > artifact dealing with time.
            >> >
            >> > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
            > work
            >> > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative
            ease.
            >> >
            >> > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
            validation
            >> > what-so-ever.
            >> >
            >> > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
            >> >
            >> > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
            > did
            >> > or
            >> > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
            >> >
            >> > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
            > you.
            >> >
            >> > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
            >> >
            >> > Namaste
            >> > Z
            >> >
            >> > Quoting: zacksavage
            >> >
            >> > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
            >> > original
            >> > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama
            that
            >> > once
            >> > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
            > there
            >> > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
            > able
            >> > to
            >> > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
            > were
            >> > all naive to it.
            >> >
            >> > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
            >> > black-ops
            >> > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
            >> > Reason
            >> > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
            all
            >> > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling
            us,
            >> > via
            >> > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
            have
            >> > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted
            by
            >> > them
            >> > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
            > which
            >> > we
            >> > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
            >> > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op;
            how
            >> > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
            > had',
            >> > as
            >> > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't
            he
            > use
            >> > it?"
            >> >
            >> > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one
            more
            >> > black
            >> > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
            > Moses;
            >> > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a
            photo-oppable
            >> > FBI
            >> > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this
            scenario
            >> > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
            > merciful
            >> > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good
            for
            >> > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
            >> > .......
            >> > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
            > validation
            >> > what-so-ever.
            >> >
            >> > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
            >> >
            >> > Therein lies the quandary!
            >> >
            >> > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
            > over
            >> > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
            > couple
            >> > of
            >> > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back
            away
            >> > but
            >> > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
            > always
            >> > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some
            things.
            >> >
            >> > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are
            MAJOR.
            >> > But,
            >> > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives
            here
            >> > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
            > City,
            >> > the
            >> > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled
            with
            > the
            >> > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
            > place
            >> > to
            >> > be trapped in either when the time came.
            >> >
            >> > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
            >> > words.
            >> > _________________
            >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
            >> > Dondep or Dagwood
            >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
            >> > #420
            >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
            >> >
            >> > Dondep
            >> > Moderator
            >> >
            >> > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
            >> > Posts: 255
            >> > Location: Las Vegas
            >> > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci
            and
            >> > Ann
            >> >
            >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
            >> >
            >> > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
            >> >
            >> > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
            >> > Dadmiral
            >> > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the
            'T-2'
            >> > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
            >> >
            >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
            >> >
            >> > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility,
            which
            > you
            >> > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing
            what
            >> > you
            >> > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
            Future
            >> > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could
            hit
            > us!
            >> > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
            >> > Looking
            >> > Glass showed.
            >> >
            >> > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
            >> >
            >> > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
            > case
            >> > we
            >> > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
            > some
            >> > time.
            >> >
            >> > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
            >> >
            >> > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
            >> >
            >> > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
            > There
            >> > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
            >> > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
            > with
            >> > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
            >> > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
            > Back
            >> > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
            >> >
            >> > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher
            probability
            > of
            >> > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
            > range.
            >> > I
            >> > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
            >> >
            >> > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
            > thing.
            >> > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
            >> > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
            >> >
            >> > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
            >> >
            >> > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
            > provisions
            >> > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in
            the
            >> > way
            >> > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we
            weren't
            >> > told
            >> > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
            >> >
            >> > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us
            getting
            > the
            >> > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
            >> >
            >> > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
            >> >
            >> > A: Dxx, silly!
            >> >
            >> > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
            >> > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
            >> > issues
            >> > are apples and oranges to me.
            >> >
            >> > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
            critical.
            >> >
            >> > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
            > readying a
            >> > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
            zero
            >> > location?
            >> >
            >> > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
            >> >
            >> > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
            > hitting
            >> > us,
            >> > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
            it
            >> > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
            >> >
            >> > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
            > war
            >> > quicker! (laughing)
            >> >
            >> > D: Not funny!
            >> >
            >> > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as
            funny
            >> > either.
            >> >
            >> > J: Look Dan -
            >> >
            >> > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately
            get,
            > I
            >> > am
            >> > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
            >> >
            >> > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
            >> >
            >> > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
            >> > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
            > have
            >> > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
            we
            >> > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to
            the
            >> > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
            > withhold
            >> > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
            >> >
            >> > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that
            we've
            >> > changed the course pushing us off T2.
            >> >
            >> > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or
            after?
            >> >
            >> > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
            > glasses.
            >> >
            >> > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have
            no
            >> > choice but to announce what I've learned!
            >> >
            >> > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
            >> >
            >> > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a
            possibility
            >> > that
            >> > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the
            mainstream
            >> > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji
            was
            >> > not
            >> > the full story.
            >> >
            >> > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
            > claims
            >> > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
            >> >
            >> > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
            >> >
            >> > D: Thank you!
            >> >
            >> > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
            >> > Majestic
            >> > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
            >> >
            >> > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
            >> >
            >> > J: Not really, it will miss us.
            >> >
            >> > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
            > sure
            >> > it will miss us?
            >> >
            >> > J: The numbers say it will miss.
            >> >
            >> > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or
            after?
            >> >
            >> > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
            > glasses.
            >> >
            >> > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have
            no
            >> > choice but to announce what I've learned!
            >> >
            >> > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
            >> >
            >> > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a
            possibility
            >> > that
            >> > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the
            mainstream
            >> > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji
            was
            >> > not
            >> > the full story.
            >> >
            >> > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
            > claims
            >> > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
            >> >
            >> > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
            >> >
            >> > D: Thank you!
            >> >
            >> > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
            >> > Majestic
            >> > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
            >> > _________________
            >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
            >> > Dondep or Dagwood
            >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
            >> > #420
            >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
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            >> > Back to top
            >> >
            >> > Dondep
            >> > Moderator
            >> >
            >> > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
            >> > Posts: 255
            >> > Location: Las Vegas
            >> > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
            >> >
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            >> >
            >> > Clarifications
            >> >
            >> > Dan wrote:
            >> > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
            > There
            >> > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
            >> > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
            > with
            >> > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
            >> > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
            > Back
            >> > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
            >> >
            >> > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I
            tried
            > to
            >> > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
            >> > Hilton
            >> > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and
            call
            > us
            >> > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet
            X
            >> > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation
            aside.
            >> > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
            >> > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never
            heard,
            >> > and
            >> > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
            > wrong
            >> > moments.
            >> >
            >> > Ann wrote:
            >> > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us
            getting
            > the
            >> > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
            >> >
            >> > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
            >> >
            >> > Dan wrote:
            >> > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
            >> > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
            >> > issues
            >> > are apples and oranges to me.
            >> >
            >> > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
            > Marci,
            >> > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether
            to
            >> > laugh
            >> > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
            >> > _________________
            >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
            >> > Dondep or Dagwood
            >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
            >> > #420
            >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
            >
            >
            >
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            >
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          • William Hamilton
            Regan This is growing tiresome for me. I am no longer investigating Dan s case nor even see him anymore since I moved to the midwest. Dan has showed me all
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              Regan

              This is growing tiresome for me. I am no longer investigating
              Dan's case nor even see him anymore since I moved to the
              midwest.

              Dan has showed me all the evidence he could and will soon make
              a public disclosure of his work at a major scientific institution.
              It is out of my hands now.

              Whatever I had to say, I said in my book "Project Aquarius".

              Bill


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: <masanga@...>
              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:01 AM
              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


              > Bill,
              >
              > I have been off-line for a while due to network problems and have
              > only just got back on-line.
              >
              > You seem to have dismissed my points rather lightly. I hope you
              > understand that I was not trying to criticise you; I was trying to
              point
              > out the only solution that I could see to your expressed problem.
              Before
              > replying, I think I should say that I do not see this issue as a private
              > matter between ourselves but as a public one that implicates at least
              > everyone in the UFO community and possibly everyone in the world.
              >
              > Bill: "I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's, all
              I
              > can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard evidence so
              you
              > can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative. Might as well as ask
              me
              > for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens. Its just not there."
              >
              > Regan: Perhaps I misled you by referring to "hard" evidence. I meant it
              in
              > the sense of its being physical and objective in the way that
              photographs,
              > tissue samples, voice-recordings, etc. might be accepted as "hard"
              evidence
              > in a court of law. I did not mean "hard" in the sense of its
              automatically
              > compelling conviction (although that would help, of course). If I had
              meant
              > it in that sense, I would not also have suggested that the evidence
              needs to
              > be assessed as I did do.
              >
              > But let me get what you are saying straight, Bill. Are you
              telling
              > me that, after years of intensive investigation of Dan and his alarming
              > claims about on-going human-alien relationships, trade-deals and
              abductions
              > regulated by secret treaties, manipulation of the earth's time-line,
              > unstable stargates, an apocalyptic geophysical threat to the whole
              planet
              > coming around 2012 and the discovery of a positive proto-virus with
              > miraculous healing capabilities (which could, potentially, be diverted
              to
              > use as a secret superweapon) and more, there is in fact NO physical,
              > objective evidence (i.e. "hard" in the sense that I meant it) and there
              > never will be? Because if you are, then I think I should remind you of
              the
              > time a while back when you took Dex to task in this forum for "crying
              wolf"
              > too often without having any real evidence to back up his alarming
              claims.
              > Dan's radical claims are alarming to the point of being profoundly
              > psychologically disturbing because they threaten to overturn people's
              > established worldviews. He is speaking the stuff of which people's
              worst
              > nightmares are
              > made. He has cried "WOLF!" at 300 decibels. So where is the evidence
              for
              > the wolf? I think people will feel entitled to see it, or else to write
              Dan
              > and his confederates off as the noisome, troublesome, time-wasting
              practical
              > jokers that they will have demonstrated themselves to be. That is the
              > predictable public reaction. It would not be my reaction, but all this
              is
              > not about me. It is about you and Dan and your troubled relationship
              with
              > the public. As I said, this is not a private matter.
              >
              >
              > Bill: "I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
              is
              > about all one can do in a UFO case."
              >
              > Regan: This is not a typical UFO case and in principle there is more
              that
              > you and/or Dan could do by way of providing substantial evidence to
              support
              > at least some of his claims (in the absence of a legal prohibition from
              > higher authority). For example, take Dan's alleged discovery of the
              Ganesh
              > particle. What is to stop you from publishing a set of replicable
              scientific
              > experiments which other scientists could do to verify its existence?
              The
              > U.S. military/secret-government/whatever would not be able to claim
              > intellectual ownership without exposing itself and Dan might even end up
              > with a nobel prize and get the undivided attention of Congress on his
              case.
              > Admittedly it would be much harder to provide direct evidence for the
              > existence of the J-Rod (such as a signed photograph and a DVD for all
              his
              > fans and well-wishers), but again an indirect method might be possible.
              For
              > instance, Dan claims to have studied the J-Rod's DNA. Perhaps it would
              be
              > possible for a gene-lab, acting on instructions supplied by Dan, to
              mutate a
              > suitable terrestrially occuring cell into a J-Rod analogue and then to
              > compare the behaviour and properties of that cell with those described
              by
              > Dan as occurring in the J-Rod original. Similar indirect tests might be
              > possible in regard to his other claims too. One has to be inventive
              about
              > it of course, but "nothing ventured, nothing gained" as the saying goes.
              > Anyway, I really think you should consider all possible alternatives
              before
              > giving up, Bill, because the consequences of your doing that are awful
              to
              > contemplate for you both - and for the world if Dan's claims are true.
              >
              >
              > Bill: "Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
              > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one jot of it
              is
              > accepted. I am even skeptical."
              >
              > Regan: You are making my point for me, Bill. Meier has at least
              provided
              > some putative physical evidence for his claims that is subject to
              critical
              > examination and testing. To date, Dan has supplied little or none. It
              may
              > not be his
              > fault that he has been unable to supply it but the public will not care
              > about that when they make their judgement of him. If Dan does not
              produce
              > any testable evidence at all to back up his claims, they will give more
              > credence to Meier's hub cap-like photos than they will to Dan's
              > unsubstantiated claims.
              >
              >
              > Bill: "If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a UFO
              > case, then be my guest."
              >
              > Regan: I hardly think this is about anyone's ability to provide hard
              > evidence for just any old UFO-case, Bill. It is about the lack of any
              > substantial evidence for one case in particular, which is not even a
              simple
              > UFO-case anyway but is a complex case involving longstanding secret
              > relationships between human and ET societies and of which UFOs are a
              minor
              > feature. The difficulties of proving it are correspondingly immense. I
              was
              > trying to offer help to you who are caught in this exceptionally
              difficult
              > situation. The case has serious implications for terrestrial politics
              which
              > I think only the most irresponsible-minded of people would feel that
              they
              > can safely ignore - if Dan's claims are true. And if they are not true,
              he
              > will be responsible for having disturbed and distressed a lot of people
              to
              > no purpose. So the question of whether or not they are true is an
              important
              > one which the public who he has aroused really does need to be able to
              > decide. How can they decide it if not by the consideration of evidence?
              >
              > Regan
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: William Hamilton
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 PM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
              >
              >
              > Regan,
              >
              > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
              > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
              > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
              > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
              > Its just not there.
              >
              > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
              > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
              >
              > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
              > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
              > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
              >
              > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
              > UFO case, then be my guest.
              >
              > Bill
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: <masanga@...>
              > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
              >
              >
              >> Bill,
              >>
              >> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
              in
              >> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
              to
              >> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
              providing
              >> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
              lurid
              >> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
              come
              >> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
              far
              >> we
              >> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
              requires
              >> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
              will
              >> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
              in
              >> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
              >> like
              >> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
              Dan
              >> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
              >>
              >> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
              radical
              >> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
              >> think
              >> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
              out
              >> of
              >> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
              >> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
              ufology
              >> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
              of
              >> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
              assessed
              >> as
              >> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
              message
              >> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
              >> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
              >> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
              >> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
              >> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
              >> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
              be
              >> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
              can
              >> do
              >> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
              >> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
              >> should
              >> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
              under
              >> the circumstances.
              >>
              >> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
              >> yourselves
              >> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
              >> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
              Both
              >> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
              >> free
              >> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
              far
              >> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
              to
              >> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
              >> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
              >> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
              >> and
              >> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
              control
              >> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
              disinterested
              >> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
              >> suspect
              >> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
              >> "part
              >> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
              and
              >> a
              >> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
              >> accordingly.
              >> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
              >> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
              or
              >> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
              >> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
              reproach,
              >> but
              >> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
              >> contradictory.
              >> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
              you
              >> and
              >> general confusion in people's minds.
              >>
              >> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
              instant
              >> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
              is
              >> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
              think
              >> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
              judgement
              >> in
              >> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
              the
              >> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
              But
              >> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
              >> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
              things
              >> to do.
              >>
              >> Sincerely,
              >> Regan
              >>
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: William Hamilton
              >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
              >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
              >>
              >>
              >> Dex,
              >>
              >> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
              on
              >> these forums
              >> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
              The
              >> Golden
              >> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
              >> understood
              >> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
              >> out
              >> of
              >> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
              >>
              >> Sincerely,
              >>
              >> Bill Hamilton
              >> AstroScience Research
              >> http://www.astrosciences.info
              >> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
              >> incredible."
              >> Fred Hoyle
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
              >> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
              >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
              >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
              >>
              >> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
              >> A=Ann
              >> D=Dan B.
              >> M=Marci
              >> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
              >> --------------
              >> Dxx=Dondep
              >>
              >> Dex
              >> ******************************************************************
              >> Cross posting:
              >>
              >> Dondep wrote:
              >>
              >> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
              >>
              >> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
              >> feint,
              >> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
              >>
              >> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
              of
              >> how
              >> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
              >> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
              response
              >> to
              >> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
              >>
              >> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
              >> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
              >> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
              >> 18th
              >> induction last year.
              >>
              >> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
              from
              >> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
              >> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
              oh
              >> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
              >> 'religious
              >> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
              which
              >> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
              >> made
              >> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
              triangulate
              >> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
              to
              >> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
              >> would
              >> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
              doctorate
              >> is
              >> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
              it
              >> in
              >> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
              something
              >> REAL.
              >>
              >> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
              assassination
              >> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
              being
              >> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
              >>
              >> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------------------------
              >>
              >> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
              >> Vance at GLP wrote:
              >>
              >> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
              US
              >> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
              >> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
              >> was
              >> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
              opening
              >> his
              >> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
              >>
              >> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
              this
              >> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
              any
              >> of
              >> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
              >> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
              >> exist,
              >> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
              as
              >> a
              >> freebe disinfo tool.
              >>
              >> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
              Have
              >> you
              >> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
              I'd
              >> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
              >> consider other claims he makes.
              >>
              >> Quoting: Vance 302106
              >>
              >> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
              free
              >> to talk about at all...."
              >> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
              >>
              >> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
              >> 'official'
              >> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
              >> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
              >> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
              >>
              >> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
              >> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
              >> reality,
              >> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
              >> population of the world. ....."
              >>
              >> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
              To
              >> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
              >> April 13th, 2005:
              >>
              >> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
              of
              >> a
              >> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
              Humanity",
              >> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
              >> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
              you
              >> as
              >> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
              >> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
              >> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
              the
              >> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
              stipulated
              >> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
              >> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
              >> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
              by
              >> the
              >> issuing authority."
              >> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
              >>
              >> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
              to
              >> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
              >>
              >> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
              lawyer,
              >> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
              >> help
              >> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
              >> they
              >> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
              >>
              >> Todd wrote:
              >> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
              >> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
              >> generated
              >> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
              >> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
              >> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
              prove
              >> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
              >> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
              >>
              >> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
              >>
              >> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
              use,
              >> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
              of
              >> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
              >> him
              >> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
              >> all
              >> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
              Dan
              >> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
              he
              >> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
              a
              >> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
              and
              >> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
              >> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
              on
              >> a
              >> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
              cigars,
              >> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
              as
              >> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
              >> that
              >> happened.
              >>
              >> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
              >> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
              he'll
              >> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
              day!
              >>
              >> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
              >> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
              when
              >> in
              >> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
              in
              >> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
              >> had
              >> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
              >> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
              >> them.
              >>
              >> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
              >> Hoi all,
              >> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
              >> I�m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
              >> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
              correct.
              >> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
              10%
              >> is
              >> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that�s why I�m
              >> unknown.
              >> JAn
              >>
              >> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
              >>
              >> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
              >> treehouse
              >> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
              Oct
              >> 2,
              >> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
              >> blinded
              >> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
              >> also
              >> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
              occasional
              >> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
              >> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
              bogus
              >> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
              >> with
              >> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
              >> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
              >> independent
              >> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
              >> public
              >> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
              >> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
              >> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
              the
              >> role of Dan.}
              >>
              >> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
              least
              >> 10%
              >> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
              >> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
              >> Dick
              >> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
              the
              >> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
              >> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
              thing,
              >> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
              the
              >> future of humanity.
              >>
              >> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
              >> .........
              >> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
              still
              >> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
              "October",
              >> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
              interest
              >> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
              >> fantasies,
              >> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
              group
              >> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
              the
              >> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
              discuss
              >> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
              Dan's
              >> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
              what
              >> she
              >> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
              wife...oh,
              >> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
              >> reconciliation,
              >> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
              (Maybe
              >> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
              at
              >> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
              who
              >> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
              >> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
              >> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
              >> project
              >> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
              didn't
              >> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
              difference
              >> it
              >> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
              ridiculous---but
              >> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
              >> explain further.
              >>
              >> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
              >>
              >> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
              >> appears
              >> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
              in
              >> a
              >> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
              >> once
              >> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
              got
              >> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
              >> business
              >> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
              >> community
              >> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
              the
              >> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
              >> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
              >> accused
              >> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
              >>
              >> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
              question
              >> as
              >> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
              >> and
              >> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
              >> sinker
              >> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
              Burisch
              >> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
              that
              >> the
              >> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
              to
              >> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
              >> shied
              >> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
              admitted
              >> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
              the
              >> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
              what
              >> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
              >> that? Hmmmmmm......
              >>
              >> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
              >> But
              >> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
              >> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
              what
              >> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
              >> George
              >> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
              >> when
              >> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
              >> evidence
              >> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
              >> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
              balance
              >> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
              >> "The
              >> tissue ain't the issue!"
              >>
              >> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
              >> Doreen
              >> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
              >> such
              >> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
              received,
              >> or
              >> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
              or 2
              >> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
              >> could
              >> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
              their
              >> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
              >> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
              >>
              >> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
              changes
              >> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
              >>
              >> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
              >> Hey DonDep!!
              >>
              >> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
              on
              >> an
              >> artifact dealing with time.
              >>
              >> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
              work
              >> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
              >>
              >> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
              validation
              >> what-so-ever.
              >>
              >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
              >>
              >> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
              did
              >> or
              >> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
              >>
              >> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
              you.
              >>
              >> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
              >>
              >> Namaste
              >> Z
              >>
              >> Quoting: zacksavage
              >>
              >> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
              >> original
              >> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
              >> once
              >> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
              there
              >> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
              able
              >> to
              >> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
              were
              >> all naive to it.
              >>
              >> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
              >> black-ops
              >> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
              >> Reason
              >> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
              all
              >> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
              >> via
              >> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
              have
              >> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
              >> them
              >> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
              which
              >> we
              >> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
              >> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
              >> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
              had',
              >> as
              >> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
              use
              >> it?"
              >>
              >> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
              >> black
              >> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
              Moses;
              >> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
              >> FBI
              >> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
              >> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
              merciful
              >> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
              >> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
              >> .......
              >> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
              validation
              >> what-so-ever.
              >>
              >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
              >>
              >> Therein lies the quandary!
              >>
              >> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
              over
              >> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
              couple
              >> of
              >> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
              >> but
              >> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
              always
              >> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
              >>
              >> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
              >> But,
              >> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
              >> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
              City,
              >> the
              >> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
              the
              >> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
              place
              >> to
              >> be trapped in either when the time came.
              >>
              >> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
              >> words.
              >> _________________
              >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
              >> Dondep or Dagwood
              >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
              >> #420
              >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
              >>
              >> Dondep
              >> Moderator
              >>
              >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
              >> Posts: 255
              >> Location: Las Vegas
              >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
              >> Ann
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------------------------
              >>
              >> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
              >>
              >> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
              >> Dadmiral
              >> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
              >> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------------------------
              >>
              >> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
              you
              >> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
              >> you
              >> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
              Future
              >> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
              us!
              >> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
              >> Looking
              >> Glass showed.
              >>
              >> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
              >>
              >> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
              case
              >> we
              >> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
              some
              >> time.
              >>
              >> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
              >>
              >> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
              >>
              >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
              There
              >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
              >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
              with
              >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
              >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
              Back
              >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
              >>
              >> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
              of
              >> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
              range.
              >> I
              >> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
              >>
              >> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
              thing.
              >> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
              >> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
              >>
              >> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
              >>
              >> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
              provisions
              >> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
              >> way
              >> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
              >> told
              >> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
              >>
              >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
              the
              >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
              >>
              >> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
              >>
              >> A: Dxx, silly!
              >>
              >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
              >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
              >> issues
              >> are apples and oranges to me.
              >>
              >> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
              critical.
              >>
              >> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
              readying a
              >> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
              zero
              >> location?
              >>
              >> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
              >>
              >> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
              hitting
              >> us,
              >> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
              it
              >> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
              >>
              >> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
              war
              >> quicker! (laughing)
              >>
              >> D: Not funny!
              >>
              >> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
              >> either.
              >>
              >> J: Look Dan -
              >>
              >> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
              I
              >> am
              >> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
              >>
              >> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
              >>
              >> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
              >> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
              have
              >> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
              we
              >> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
              >> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
              withhold
              >> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
              >>
              >> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
              >> changed the course pushing us off T2.
              >>
              >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
              >>
              >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
              glasses.
              >>
              >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
              >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
              >>
              >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
              >>
              >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
              >> that
              >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
              >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
              >> not
              >> the full story.
              >>
              >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
              claims
              >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
              >>
              >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
              >>
              >> D: Thank you!
              >>
              >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
              >> Majestic
              >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
              >>
              >> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
              >>
              >> J: Not really, it will miss us.
              >>
              >> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
              sure
              >> it will miss us?
              >>
              >> J: The numbers say it will miss.
              >>
              >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
              >>
              >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
              glasses.
              >>
              >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
              >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
              >>
              >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
              >>
              >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
              >> that
              >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
              >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
              >> not
              >> the full story.
              >>
              >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
              claims
              >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
              >>
              >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
              >>
              >> D: Thank you!
              >>
              >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
              >> Majestic
              >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
              >> _________________
              >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
              >> Dondep or Dagwood
              >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
              >> #420
              >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
              >>
              >> Back to top
              >>
              >> Dondep
              >> Moderator
              >>
              >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
              >> Posts: 255
              >> Location: Las Vegas
              >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
              >>
              >> ----------------------------------------------------------
              >>
              >> Clarifications
              >>
              >> Dan wrote:
              >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
              There
              >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
              >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
              with
              >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
              >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
              Back
              >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
              >>
              >> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
              to
              >> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
              >> Hilton
              >> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
              us
              >> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
              >> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
              >> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
              >> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
              >> and
              >> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
              wrong
              >> moments.
              >>
              >> Ann wrote:
              >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
              the
              >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
              >>
              >> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
              >>
              >> Dan wrote:
              >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
              >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
              >> issues
              >> are apples and oranges to me.
              >>
              >> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
              Marci,
              >> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
              >> laugh
              >> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
              >> _________________
              >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
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              >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
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                Thanks for this update on your position vis-a-vis Dan, Bill. I did
                not know that you are no longer involved with him, or that he is soon to
                make a public disclosure of his work. I shall look forward to watching the
                balloon go up when he makes it and will keep my fingers crossed that he has
                enough evidence to satisfy the many critics with vested interests to protect
                who will probably do more than mount token attacks.

                I do have a copy of your book "Project Aquarius" and have found it a
                valuable source of information.

                I am sorry that you are finding this discussion tiresome. You have
                not explained why you find it so, but never mind. It was not my intention
                to tread on private grief and I shall not press you further on the matters I
                have raised. However, since this is a discussion forum and these matters do
                seem to me to be of public significance, I shall continue to discuss them as
                and when the occasion seems to require.

                I wish you good productivity in whatever activities you involve
                yourself now.

                Regan


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: William Hamilton
                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:33 PM
                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                Regan

                This is growing tiresome for me. I am no longer investigating
                Dan's case nor even see him anymore since I moved to the
                midwest.

                Dan has showed me all the evidence he could and will soon make
                a public disclosure of his work at a major scientific institution.
                It is out of my hands now.

                Whatever I had to say, I said in my book "Project Aquarius".

                Bill


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                Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:01 AM
                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                > Bill,
                >
                > I have been off-line for a while due to network problems and have
                > only just got back on-line.
                >
                > You seem to have dismissed my points rather lightly. I hope you
                > understand that I was not trying to criticise you; I was trying to
                point
                > out the only solution that I could see to your expressed problem.
                Before
                > replying, I think I should say that I do not see this issue as a private
                > matter between ourselves but as a public one that implicates at least
                > everyone in the UFO community and possibly everyone in the world.
                >
                > Bill: "I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's, all
                I
                > can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard evidence so
                you
                > can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative. Might as well as ask
                me
                > for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens. Its just not there."
                >
                > Regan: Perhaps I misled you by referring to "hard" evidence. I meant it
                in
                > the sense of its being physical and objective in the way that
                photographs,
                > tissue samples, voice-recordings, etc. might be accepted as "hard"
                evidence
                > in a court of law. I did not mean "hard" in the sense of its
                automatically
                > compelling conviction (although that would help, of course). If I had
                meant
                > it in that sense, I would not also have suggested that the evidence
                needs to
                > be assessed as I did do.
                >
                > But let me get what you are saying straight, Bill. Are you
                telling
                > me that, after years of intensive investigation of Dan and his alarming
                > claims about on-going human-alien relationships, trade-deals and
                abductions
                > regulated by secret treaties, manipulation of the earth's time-line,
                > unstable stargates, an apocalyptic geophysical threat to the whole
                planet
                > coming around 2012 and the discovery of a positive proto-virus with
                > miraculous healing capabilities (which could, potentially, be diverted
                to
                > use as a secret superweapon) and more, there is in fact NO physical,
                > objective evidence (i.e. "hard" in the sense that I meant it) and there
                > never will be? Because if you are, then I think I should remind you of
                the
                > time a while back when you took Dex to task in this forum for "crying
                wolf"
                > too often without having any real evidence to back up his alarming
                claims.
                > Dan's radical claims are alarming to the point of being profoundly
                > psychologically disturbing because they threaten to overturn people's
                > established worldviews. He is speaking the stuff of which people's
                worst
                > nightmares are
                > made. He has cried "WOLF!" at 300 decibels. So where is the evidence
                for
                > the wolf? I think people will feel entitled to see it, or else to write
                Dan
                > and his confederates off as the noisome, troublesome, time-wasting
                practical
                > jokers that they will have demonstrated themselves to be. That is the
                > predictable public reaction. It would not be my reaction, but all this
                is
                > not about me. It is about you and Dan and your troubled relationship
                with
                > the public. As I said, this is not a private matter.
                >
                >
                > Bill: "I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                is
                > about all one can do in a UFO case."
                >
                > Regan: This is not a typical UFO case and in principle there is more
                that
                > you and/or Dan could do by way of providing substantial evidence to
                support
                > at least some of his claims (in the absence of a legal prohibition from
                > higher authority). For example, take Dan's alleged discovery of the
                Ganesh
                > particle. What is to stop you from publishing a set of replicable
                scientific
                > experiments which other scientists could do to verify its existence?
                The
                > U.S. military/secret-government/whatever would not be able to claim
                > intellectual ownership without exposing itself and Dan might even end up
                > with a nobel prize and get the undivided attention of Congress on his
                case.
                > Admittedly it would be much harder to provide direct evidence for the
                > existence of the J-Rod (such as a signed photograph and a DVD for all
                his
                > fans and well-wishers), but again an indirect method might be possible.
                For
                > instance, Dan claims to have studied the J-Rod's DNA. Perhaps it would
                be
                > possible for a gene-lab, acting on instructions supplied by Dan, to
                mutate a
                > suitable terrestrially occuring cell into a J-Rod analogue and then to
                > compare the behaviour and properties of that cell with those described
                by
                > Dan as occurring in the J-Rod original. Similar indirect tests might be
                > possible in regard to his other claims too. One has to be inventive
                about
                > it of course, but "nothing ventured, nothing gained" as the saying goes.
                > Anyway, I really think you should consider all possible alternatives
                before
                > giving up, Bill, because the consequences of your doing that are awful
                to
                > contemplate for you both - and for the world if Dan's claims are true.
                >
                >
                > Bill: "Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one jot of it
                is
                > accepted. I am even skeptical."
                >
                > Regan: You are making my point for me, Bill. Meier has at least
                provided
                > some putative physical evidence for his claims that is subject to
                critical
                > examination and testing. To date, Dan has supplied little or none. It
                may
                > not be his
                > fault that he has been unable to supply it but the public will not care
                > about that when they make their judgement of him. If Dan does not
                produce
                > any testable evidence at all to back up his claims, they will give more
                > credence to Meier's hub cap-like photos than they will to Dan's
                > unsubstantiated claims.
                >
                >
                > Bill: "If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a UFO
                > case, then be my guest."
                >
                > Regan: I hardly think this is about anyone's ability to provide hard
                > evidence for just any old UFO-case, Bill. It is about the lack of any
                > substantial evidence for one case in particular, which is not even a
                simple
                > UFO-case anyway but is a complex case involving longstanding secret
                > relationships between human and ET societies and of which UFOs are a
                minor
                > feature. The difficulties of proving it are correspondingly immense. I
                was
                > trying to offer help to you who are caught in this exceptionally
                difficult
                > situation. The case has serious implications for terrestrial politics
                which
                > I think only the most irresponsible-minded of people would feel that
                they
                > can safely ignore - if Dan's claims are true. And if they are not true,
                he
                > will be responsible for having disturbed and distressed a lot of people
                to
                > no purpose. So the question of whether or not they are true is an
                important
                > one which the public who he has aroused really does need to be able to
                > decide. How can they decide it if not by the consideration of evidence?
                >
                > Regan
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: William Hamilton
                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 PM
                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                >
                >
                > Regan,
                >
                > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                > Its just not there.
                >
                > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                >
                > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                >
                > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                > UFO case, then be my guest.
                >
                > Bill
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: <masanga@...>
                > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                >
                >
                >> Bill,
                >>
                >> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
                in
                >> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                to
                >> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                providing
                >> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                lurid
                >> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
                come
                >> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
                far
                >> we
                >> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
                requires
                >> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                will
                >> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
                in
                >> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                >> like
                >> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                Dan
                >> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                >>
                >> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                radical
                >> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                >> think
                >> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                out
                >> of
                >> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                >> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
                ufology
                >> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                of
                >> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                assessed
                >> as
                >> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                message
                >> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                >> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                >> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                >> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                >> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                >> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                be
                >> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                can
                >> do
                >> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                >> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                >> should
                >> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                under
                >> the circumstances.
                >>
                >> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                >> yourselves
                >> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                >> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                Both
                >> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                >> free
                >> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                far
                >> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
                to
                >> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                >> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                >> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                >> and
                >> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                control
                >> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
                disinterested
                >> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                >> suspect
                >> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                >> "part
                >> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                and
                >> a
                >> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                >> accordingly.
                >> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                >> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                or
                >> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                >> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
                reproach,
                >> but
                >> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                >> contradictory.
                >> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
                you
                >> and
                >> general confusion in people's minds.
                >>
                >> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                instant
                >> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                is
                >> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                think
                >> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                judgement
                >> in
                >> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                the
                >> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                But
                >> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                >> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                things
                >> to do.
                >>
                >> Sincerely,
                >> Regan
                >>
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: William Hamilton
                >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                >>
                >>
                >> Dex,
                >>
                >> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                on
                >> these forums
                >> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
                The
                >> Golden
                >> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                >> understood
                >> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                >> out
                >> of
                >> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                >>
                >> Sincerely,
                >>
                >> Bill Hamilton
                >> AstroScience Research
                >> http://www.astrosciences.info
                >> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                >> incredible."
                >> Fred Hoyle
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                >> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                >>
                >> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                >> A=Ann
                >> D=Dan B.
                >> M=Marci
                >> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                >> --------------
                >> Dxx=Dondep
                >>
                >> Dex
                >> ******************************************************************
                >> Cross posting:
                >>
                >> Dondep wrote:
                >>
                >> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                >>
                >> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                >> feint,
                >> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                >>
                >> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
                of
                >> how
                >> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                >> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                response
                >> to
                >> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                >>
                >> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                >> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                >> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                >> 18th
                >> induction last year.
                >>
                >> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
                from
                >> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                >> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                oh
                >> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                >> 'religious
                >> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                which
                >> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                >> made
                >> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
                triangulate
                >> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                to
                >> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                >> would
                >> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                doctorate
                >> is
                >> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                it
                >> in
                >> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                something
                >> REAL.
                >>
                >> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                assassination
                >> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
                being
                >> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                >>
                >> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                >>
                >> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                >> Vance at GLP wrote:
                >>
                >> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
                US
                >> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                >> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                >> was
                >> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
                opening
                >> his
                >> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                >>
                >> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
                this
                >> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                any
                >> of
                >> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                >> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                >> exist,
                >> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                as
                >> a
                >> freebe disinfo tool.
                >>
                >> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
                Have
                >> you
                >> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
                I'd
                >> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                >> consider other claims he makes.
                >>
                >> Quoting: Vance 302106
                >>
                >> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                free
                >> to talk about at all...."
                >> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                >>
                >> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                >> 'official'
                >> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                >> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                >> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                >>
                >> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                >> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                >> reality,
                >> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                >> population of the world. ....."
                >>
                >> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
                To
                >> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                >> April 13th, 2005:
                >>
                >> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                of
                >> a
                >> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
                Humanity",
                >> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                >> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
                you
                >> as
                >> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                >> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                >> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                the
                >> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
                stipulated
                >> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                >> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                >> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
                by
                >> the
                >> issuing authority."
                >> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                >>
                >> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                to
                >> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                >>
                >> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                lawyer,
                >> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                >> help
                >> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                >> they
                >> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                >>
                >> Todd wrote:
                >> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                >> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                >> generated
                >> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                >> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                >> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                prove
                >> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                >> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                >>
                >> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                >>
                >> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                use,
                >> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
                of
                >> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                >> him
                >> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                >> all
                >> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                Dan
                >> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
                he
                >> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                a
                >> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
                and
                >> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                >> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                on
                >> a
                >> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
                cigars,
                >> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                as
                >> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                >> that
                >> happened.
                >>
                >> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                >> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                he'll
                >> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                day!
                >>
                >> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                >> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                when
                >> in
                >> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                in
                >> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                >> had
                >> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                >> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                >> them.
                >>
                >> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                >> Hoi all,
                >> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                >> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                >> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                correct.
                >> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                10%
                >> is
                >> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                >> unknown.
                >> JAn
                >>
                >> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                >>
                >> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                >> treehouse
                >> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                Oct
                >> 2,
                >> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                >> blinded
                >> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                >> also
                >> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
                occasional
                >> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                >> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
                bogus
                >> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                >> with
                >> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                >> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                >> independent
                >> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                >> public
                >> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                >> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                >> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                the
                >> role of Dan.}
                >>
                >> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
                least
                >> 10%
                >> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                >> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                >> Dick
                >> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                the
                >> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                >> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                thing,
                >> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                the
                >> future of humanity.
                >>
                >> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                >> .........
                >> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                still
                >> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
                "October",
                >> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                interest
                >> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                >> fantasies,
                >> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                group
                >> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                the
                >> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                discuss
                >> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                Dan's
                >> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
                what
                >> she
                >> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                wife...oh,
                >> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                >> reconciliation,
                >> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                (Maybe
                >> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
                at
                >> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                who
                >> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                >> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                >> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                >> project
                >> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
                didn't
                >> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                difference
                >> it
                >> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
                ridiculous---but
                >> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                >> explain further.
                >>
                >> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                >>
                >> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                >> appears
                >> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                in
                >> a
                >> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                >> once
                >> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                got
                >> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                >> business
                >> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                >> community
                >> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                the
                >> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                >> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                >> accused
                >> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                >>
                >> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
                question
                >> as
                >> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                >> and
                >> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                >> sinker
                >> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
                Burisch
                >> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
                that
                >> the
                >> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                to
                >> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                >> shied
                >> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                admitted
                >> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                the
                >> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                what
                >> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                >> that? Hmmmmmm......
                >>
                >> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                >> But
                >> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                >> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
                what
                >> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                >> George
                >> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                >> when
                >> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                >> evidence
                >> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                >> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                balance
                >> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                >> "The
                >> tissue ain't the issue!"
                >>
                >> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                >> Doreen
                >> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                >> such
                >> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
                received,
                >> or
                >> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
                or 2
                >> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                >> could
                >> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
                their
                >> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                >> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                >>
                >> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                changes
                >> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                >>
                >> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                >> Hey DonDep!!
                >>
                >> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                on
                >> an
                >> artifact dealing with time.
                >>
                >> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                work
                >> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                >>
                >> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                validation
                >> what-so-ever.
                >>
                >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                >>
                >> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
                did
                >> or
                >> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                >>
                >> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                you.
                >>
                >> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                >>
                >> Namaste
                >> Z
                >>
                >> Quoting: zacksavage
                >>
                >> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                >> original
                >> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                >> once
                >> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                there
                >> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                able
                >> to
                >> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                were
                >> all naive to it.
                >>
                >> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                >> black-ops
                >> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                >> Reason
                >> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
                all
                >> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                >> via
                >> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
                have
                >> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                >> them
                >> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
                which
                >> we
                >> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                >> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                >> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                had',
                >> as
                >> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                use
                >> it?"
                >>
                >> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                >> black
                >> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                Moses;
                >> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                >> FBI
                >> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                >> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                merciful
                >> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                >> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                >> .......
                >> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                validation
                >> what-so-ever.
                >>
                >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                >>
                >> Therein lies the quandary!
                >>
                >> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                over
                >> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                couple
                >> of
                >> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                >> but
                >> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                always
                >> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                >>
                >> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                >> But,
                >> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                >> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
                City,
                >> the
                >> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                the
                >> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
                place
                >> to
                >> be trapped in either when the time came.
                >>
                >> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                >> words.
                >> _________________
                >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                >> Dondep or Dagwood
                >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                >> #420
                >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                >>
                >> Dondep
                >> Moderator
                >>
                >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                >> Posts: 255
                >> Location: Las Vegas
                >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                >> Ann
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                >>
                >> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                >>
                >> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                >> Dadmiral
                >> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                >> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                >>
                >> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                you
                >> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                >> you
                >> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
                Future
                >> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                us!
                >> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                >> Looking
                >> Glass showed.
                >>
                >> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                >>
                >> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                case
                >> we
                >> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                some
                >> time.
                >>
                >> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                >>
                >> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                >>
                >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                There
                >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                with
                >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                Back
                >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                >>
                >> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                of
                >> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                range.
                >> I
                >> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                >>
                >> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                thing.
                >> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                >> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                >>
                >> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                >>
                >> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                provisions
                >> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                >> way
                >> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                >> told
                >> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                >>
                >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                the
                >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                >>
                >> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                >>
                >> A: Dxx, silly!
                >>
                >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                >> issues
                >> are apples and oranges to me.
                >>
                >> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
                critical.
                >>
                >> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
                readying a
                >> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
                zero
                >> location?
                >>
                >> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                >>
                >> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
                hitting
                >> us,
                >> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
                it
                >> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                >>
                >> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                war
                >> quicker! (laughing)
                >>
                >> D: Not funny!
                >>
                >> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                >> either.
                >>
                >> J: Look Dan -
                >>
                >> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                I
                >> am
                >> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                >>
                >> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                >>
                >> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                >> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                have
                >> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
                we
                >> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                >> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                withhold
                >> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                >>
                >> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                >> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                >>
                >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                >>
                >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                glasses.
                >>
                >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                >>
                >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                >>
                >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                >> that
                >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                >> not
                >> the full story.
                >>
                >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                claims
                >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                >>
                >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                >>
                >> D: Thank you!
                >>
                >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                >> Majestic
                >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                >>
                >> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                >>
                >> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                >>
                >> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                sure
                >> it will miss us?
                >>
                >> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                >>
                >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                >>
                >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                glasses.
                >>
                >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                >>
                >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                >>
                >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                >> that
                >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                >> not
                >> the full story.
                >>
                >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                claims
                >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                >>
                >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                >>
                >> D: Thank you!
                >>
                >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                >> Majestic
                >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                >> _________________
                >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                >> Dondep or Dagwood
                >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                >> #420
                >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                >>
                >> Back to top
                >>
                >> Dondep
                >> Moderator
                >>
                >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                >> Posts: 255
                >> Location: Las Vegas
                >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                >>
                >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                >>
                >> Clarifications
                >>
                >> Dan wrote:
                >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                There
                >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                with
                >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                Back
                >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                >>
                >> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                to
                >> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                >> Hilton
                >> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                us
                >> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                >> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                >> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                >> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                >> and
                >> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                wrong
                >> moments.
                >>
                >> Ann wrote:
                >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                the
                >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                >>
                >> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                >>
                >> Dan wrote:
                >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                >> issues
                >> are apples and oranges to me.
                >>
                >> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                Marci,
                >> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                >> laugh
                >> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                >> _________________
                >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                >> Dondep or Dagwood
                >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                >> #420
                >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
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                Thanks for this clarification, Bill. Sorry to hear you ve got burn-out. Enjoy your R & R. Regan ... From: William Hamilton To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
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                  Thanks for this clarification, Bill. Sorry to hear you've got
                  burn-out. Enjoy your R & R.

                  Regan


                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: William Hamilton
                  To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:28 PM
                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?



                  No, Regan, the real reason is that I am burned out on the subject and
                  have numerous other interests that I would like to spend time pursuing.

                  Bill

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: <masanga@...>
                  To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:13 AM
                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                  > Dex,
                  >
                  > If Dan is not allowed by his bosses to present the proofs that
                  are
                  > needed to back up his claims, then his position seems pretty dire to me
                  > because it means they will have hung him out to dry. I am now wondering
                  > whether Bill has realised this and it is the real reason for his
                  slinking
                  > away from the field of battle in order to "do something more productive"
                  > elsewhere. I cannot believe that the real reason for it is his disgust
                  at
                  > the insignificant ravings of the mindless rabble that infest a few
                  web-sites
                  > as his explanation here suggests.
                  >
                  > Regan
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Dex
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:58 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                  >
                  >
                  > Very valid statements Regan..and that was a good reply Bill.
                  > Until proof is allowed...
                  >
                  > Dex
                  >
                  >
                  >> Regan,
                  >>
                  >> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                  >> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                  >> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                  >> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or
                  aliens.
                  >> Its just not there.
                  >>
                  >> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                  >> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                  >>
                  >> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                  >> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                  >> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                  >>
                  >> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                  >> UFO case, then be my guest.
                  >>
                  >> Bill
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: <masanga@...>
                  >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                  >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> > Bill,
                  >> >
                  >> > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
                  in
                  >> > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does
                  seem
                  > to
                  >> > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                  > providing
                  >> > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                  > lurid
                  >> > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
                  come
                  >> > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
                  > far
                  >> > we
                  >> > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
                  requires
                  >> > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                  > will
                  >> > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
                  in
                  >> > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether
                  we
                  >> > like
                  >> > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But
                  you,
                  > Dan
                  >> > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                  >> >
                  >> > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                  > radical
                  >> > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                  >> > think
                  >> > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                  > out
                  >> > of
                  >> > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                  >> > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
                  ufology
                  >> > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant
                  import
                  > of
                  >> > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                  > assessed
                  >> > as
                  >> > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                  > message
                  >> > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his
                  claimed
                  >> > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding
                  of
                  >> > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems
                  to
                  >> > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                  >> > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                  >> > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists
                  really
                  > be
                  >> > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                  > can
                  >> > do
                  >> > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent
                  imaginative
                  >> > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                  >> > should
                  >> > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                  > under
                  >> > the circumstances.
                  >> >
                  >> > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                  >> > yourselves
                  >> > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by
                  the
                  >> > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                  > Both
                  >> > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are
                  not
                  >> > free
                  >> > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in
                  so
                  > far
                  >> > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
                  to
                  >> > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                  >> > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                  >> > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with
                  Dan
                  >> > and
                  >> > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                  > control
                  >> > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
                  disinterested
                  >> > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                  >> > suspect
                  >> > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                  >> > "part
                  >> > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                  > and
                  >> > a
                  >> > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                  >> > accordingly.
                  >> > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                  >> > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a
                  greater
                  > or
                  >> > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it!
                  Your
                  >> > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
                  > reproach,
                  >> > but
                  >> > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                  >> > contradictory.
                  >> > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
                  > you
                  >> > and
                  >> > general confusion in people's minds.
                  >> >
                  >> > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                  > instant
                  >> > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence
                  that
                  > is
                  >> > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                  > think
                  >> > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                  > judgement
                  >> > in
                  >> > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time
                  in
                  > the
                  >> > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                  > But
                  >> > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan
                  and
                  >> > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                  > things
                  >> > to do.
                  >> >
                  >> > Sincerely,
                  >> > Regan
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > ----- Original Message -----
                  >> > From: William Hamilton
                  >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                  >> > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > Dex,
                  >> >
                  >> > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets
                  posted
                  > on
                  >> > these forums
                  >> > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
                  The
                  >> > Golden
                  >> > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen
                  or
                  >> > understood
                  >> > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to
                  fade
                  >> > out
                  >> > of
                  >> > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                  >> >
                  >> > Sincerely,
                  >> >
                  >> > Bill Hamilton
                  >> > AstroScience Research
                  >> > http://www.astrosciences.info
                  >> > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                  >> > incredible."
                  >> > Fred Hoyle
                  >> >
                  >> > ----- Original Message -----
                  >> > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                  >> > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                  >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                  >> >
                  >> > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                  >> > A=Ann
                  >> > D=Dan B.
                  >> > M=Marci
                  >> > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                  >> > --------------
                  >> > Dxx=Dondep
                  >> >
                  >> > Dex
                  >> > ******************************************************************
                  >> > Cross posting:
                  >> >
                  >> > Dondep wrote:
                  >> >
                  >> > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                  >> >
                  >> > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                  >> > feint,
                  >> > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                  >> >
                  >> > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
                  > of
                  >> > how
                  >> > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                  >> > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                  > response
                  >> > to
                  >> > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                  >> >
                  >> > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                  >> > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line.
                  I
                  >> > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the
                  May
                  >> > 18th
                  >> > induction last year.
                  >> >
                  >> > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
                  from
                  >> > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was
                  the
                  >> > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as
                  worse;
                  > oh
                  >> > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                  >> > 'religious
                  >> > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                  > which
                  >> > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me,
                  references
                  >> > made
                  >> > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
                  triangulate
                  >> > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have
                  anything
                  > to
                  >> > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said
                  he
                  >> > would
                  >> > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                  > doctorate
                  >> > is
                  >> > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA
                  validate
                  > it
                  >> > in
                  >> > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                  > something
                  >> > REAL.
                  >> >
                  >> > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                  > assassination
                  >> > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
                  being
                  >> > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                  >> >
                  >> > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe
                  forums":
                  >> >
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                  >> > Vance at GLP wrote:
                  >> >
                  >> > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
                  US
                  >> > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and
                  going
                  >> > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if
                  there
                  >> > was
                  >> > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
                  > opening
                  >> > his
                  >> > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                  >> >
                  >> > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
                  this
                  >> > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                  > any
                  >> > of
                  >> > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                  >> > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                  >> > exist,
                  >> > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be
                  used
                  > as
                  >> > a
                  >> > freebe disinfo tool.
                  >> >
                  >> > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
                  > Have
                  >> > you
                  >> > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
                  I'd
                  >> > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                  >> > consider other claims he makes.
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: Vance 302106
                  >> >
                  >> > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                  > free
                  >> > to talk about at all...."
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  > -------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                  >> > 'official'
                  >> > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a
                  copy,
                  >> > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we
                  have
                  >> > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                  >> >
                  >> > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of
                  your
                  >> > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                  >> > reality,
                  >> > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to
                  the
                  >> > population of the world. ....."
                  >> >
                  >> > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
                  To
                  >> > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit
                  of
                  >> > April 13th, 2005:
                  >> >
                  >> > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the
                  negotiations
                  > of
                  >> > a
                  >> > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
                  Humanity",
                  >> > between present human authorities and certain individuals
                  representing
                  >> > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
                  > you
                  >> > as
                  >> > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had
                  physical
                  >> > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                  >> > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence
                  of
                  > the
                  >> > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
                  stipulated
                  >> > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                  >> > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                  >> > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
                  > by
                  >> > the
                  >> > issuing authority."
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  > ---------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at
                  [link
                  > to
                  >> > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                  >> >
                  >> > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                  > lawyer,
                  >> > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me
                  to
                  >> > help
                  >> > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long
                  as
                  >> > they
                  >> > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming
                  poleshift.
                  >> >
                  >> > Todd wrote:
                  >> > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                  >> > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                  >> > generated
                  >> > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                  >> > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                  >> > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                  > prove
                  >> > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still
                  writing
                  >> > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                  >> >
                  >> > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                  > use,
                  >> > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
                  of
                  >> > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan
                  knows
                  >> > him
                  >> > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because
                  of
                  >> > all
                  >> > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                  > Dan
                  >> > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
                  he
                  >> > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his
                  personality
                  > a
                  >> > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
                  and
                  >> > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's
                  filet-o-fish
                  >> > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one
                  while
                  > on
                  >> > a
                  >> > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
                  cigars,
                  >> > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit
                  in
                  > as
                  >> > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found
                  before
                  >> > that
                  >> > happened.
                  >> >
                  >> > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him
                  on
                  >> > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                  > he'll
                  >> > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                  > day!
                  >> >
                  >> > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's
                  an
                  >> > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                  > when
                  >> > in
                  >> > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get
                  Dan
                  > in
                  >> > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's
                  already
                  >> > had
                  >> > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                  >> > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                  >> > them.
                  >> >
                  >> > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                  >> > Hoi all,
                  >> > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                  >> > I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                  >> > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                  > correct.
                  >> > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                  > 10%
                  >> > is
                  >> > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                  >> > unknown.
                  >> > JAn
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                  >> >
                  >> > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                  >> > treehouse
                  >> > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                  > Oct
                  >> > 2,
                  >> > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                  >> > blinded
                  >> > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell
                  are
                  >> > also
                  >> > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
                  occasional
                  >> > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                  >> > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
                  bogus
                  >> > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any
                  fault
                  >> > with
                  >> > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed
                  the
                  >> > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                  >> > independent
                  >> > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                  >> > public
                  >> > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                  >> > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                  >> > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to
                  play
                  > the
                  >> > role of Dan.}
                  >> >
                  >> > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
                  > least
                  >> > 10%
                  >> > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the
                  99%
                  >> > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes
                  of
                  >> > Dick
                  >> > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest
                  of
                  > the
                  >> > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders'
                  and
                  >> > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                  > thing,
                  >> > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                  > the
                  >> > future of humanity.
                  >> >
                  >> > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                  >> > .........
                  >> > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                  > still
                  >> > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
                  "October",
                  >> > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                  > interest
                  >> > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                  >> > fantasies,
                  >> > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                  > group
                  >> > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                  > the
                  >> > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                  > discuss
                  >> > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                  > Dan's
                  >> > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
                  > what
                  >> > she
                  >> > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                  > wife...oh,
                  >> > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                  >> > reconciliation,
                  >> > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                  > (Maybe
                  >> > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
                  at
                  >> > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a
                  friend
                  > who
                  >> > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that
                  Dan
                  >> > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                  >> > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                  >> > project
                  >> > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
                  didn't
                  >> > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                  > difference
                  >> > it
                  >> > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
                  ridiculous---but
                  >> > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again
                  and
                  >> > explain further.
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                  >> >
                  >> > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                  >> > appears
                  >> > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last
                  bit
                  > in
                  >> > a
                  >> > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at
                  least
                  >> > once
                  >> > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after
                  she
                  > got
                  >> > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                  >> > business
                  >> > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                  >> > community
                  >> > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                  > the
                  >> > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                  >> > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                  >> > accused
                  >> > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                  >> >
                  >> > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
                  > question
                  >> > as
                  >> > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell"
                  right,
                  >> > and
                  >> > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                  >> > sinker
                  >> > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
                  Burisch
                  >> > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
                  > that
                  >> > the
                  >> > information that's been important isn't so much what's been
                  volunteered
                  > to
                  >> > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                  >> > shied
                  >> > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                  > admitted
                  >> > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                  > the
                  >> > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                  > what
                  >> > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda
                  like
                  >> > that? Hmmmmmm......
                  >> >
                  >> > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4
                  complex.
                  >> > But
                  >> > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                  >> > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
                  what
                  >> > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                  >> > George
                  >> > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the
                  day
                  >> > when
                  >> > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                  >> > evidence
                  >> > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams
                  and
                  >> > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                  > balance
                  >> > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE
                  ISSUE.
                  >> > "The
                  >> > tissue ain't the issue!"
                  >> >
                  >> > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                  >> > Doreen
                  >> > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know
                  about
                  >> > such
                  >> > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
                  > received,
                  >> > or
                  >> > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
                  > or 2
                  >> > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                  >> > could
                  >> > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
                  their
                  >> > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                  >> > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                  >> >
                  >> > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                  > changes
                  >> > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                  >> >
                  >> > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                  >> > Hey DonDep!!
                  >> >
                  >> > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a
                  thread
                  > on
                  >> > an
                  >> > artifact dealing with time.
                  >> >
                  >> > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                  > work
                  >> > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative
                  ease.
                  >> >
                  >> > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                  validation
                  >> > what-so-ever.
                  >> >
                  >> > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                  >> >
                  >> > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
                  > did
                  >> > or
                  >> > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                  >> >
                  >> > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                  > you.
                  >> >
                  >> > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                  >> >
                  >> > Namaste
                  >> > Z
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: zacksavage
                  >> >
                  >> > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                  >> > original
                  >> > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama
                  that
                  >> > once
                  >> > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                  > there
                  >> > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                  > able
                  >> > to
                  >> > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                  > were
                  >> > all naive to it.
                  >> >
                  >> > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                  >> > black-ops
                  >> > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                  >> > Reason
                  >> > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
                  all
                  >> > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling
                  us,
                  >> > via
                  >> > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
                  have
                  >> > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted
                  by
                  >> > them
                  >> > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
                  > which
                  >> > we
                  >> > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                  >> > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op;
                  how
                  >> > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                  > had',
                  >> > as
                  >> > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't
                  he
                  > use
                  >> > it?"
                  >> >
                  >> > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one
                  more
                  >> > black
                  >> > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                  > Moses;
                  >> > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a
                  photo-oppable
                  >> > FBI
                  >> > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this
                  scenario
                  >> > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                  > merciful
                  >> > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good
                  for
                  >> > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                  >> > .......
                  >> > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                  > validation
                  >> > what-so-ever.
                  >> >
                  >> > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                  >> >
                  >> > Therein lies the quandary!
                  >> >
                  >> > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                  > over
                  >> > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                  > couple
                  >> > of
                  >> > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back
                  away
                  >> > but
                  >> > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                  > always
                  >> > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some
                  things.
                  >> >
                  >> > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are
                  MAJOR.
                  >> > But,
                  >> > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives
                  here
                  >> > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
                  > City,
                  >> > the
                  >> > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled
                  with
                  > the
                  >> > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
                  > place
                  >> > to
                  >> > be trapped in either when the time came.
                  >> >
                  >> > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                  >> > words.
                  >> > _________________
                  >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                  >> > Dondep or Dagwood
                  >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                  >> > #420
                  >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                  >> >
                  >> > Dondep
                  >> > Moderator
                  >> >
                  >> > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                  >> > Posts: 255
                  >> > Location: Las Vegas
                  >> > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci
                  and
                  >> > Ann
                  >> >
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                  >> >
                  >> > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                  >> > Dadmiral
                  >> > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the
                  'T-2'
                  >> > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                  >> >
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility,
                  which
                  > you
                  >> > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing
                  what
                  >> > you
                  >> > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
                  Future
                  >> > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could
                  hit
                  > us!
                  >> > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                  >> > Looking
                  >> > Glass showed.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                  > case
                  >> > we
                  >> > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                  > some
                  >> > time.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                  >> >
                  >> > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                  > There
                  >> > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                  >> > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                  > with
                  >> > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                  >> > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                  > Back
                  >> > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher
                  probability
                  > of
                  >> > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                  > range.
                  >> > I
                  >> > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                  > thing.
                  >> > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                  >> > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                  >> >
                  >> > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                  > provisions
                  >> > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in
                  the
                  >> > way
                  >> > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we
                  weren't
                  >> > told
                  >> > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                  >> >
                  >> > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us
                  getting
                  > the
                  >> > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                  >> >
                  >> > A: Dxx, silly!
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                  >> > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                  >> > issues
                  >> > are apples and oranges to me.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
                  critical.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
                  > readying a
                  >> > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
                  zero
                  >> > location?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
                  > hitting
                  >> > us,
                  >> > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
                  it
                  >> > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                  > war
                  >> > quicker! (laughing)
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Not funny!
                  >> >
                  >> > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as
                  funny
                  >> > either.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Look Dan -
                  >> >
                  >> > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately
                  get,
                  > I
                  >> > am
                  >> > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                  >> >
                  >> > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                  >> >
                  >> > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                  >> > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                  > have
                  >> > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
                  we
                  >> > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to
                  the
                  >> > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                  > withhold
                  >> > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                  >> >
                  >> > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that
                  we've
                  >> > changed the course pushing us off T2.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or
                  after?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                  > glasses.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have
                  no
                  >> > choice but to announce what I've learned!
                  >> >
                  >> > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a
                  possibility
                  >> > that
                  >> > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the
                  mainstream
                  >> > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji
                  was
                  >> > not
                  >> > the full story.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                  > claims
                  >> > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                  >> >
                  >> > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Thank you!
                  >> >
                  >> > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                  >> > Majestic
                  >> > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Not really, it will miss us.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                  > sure
                  >> > it will miss us?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: The numbers say it will miss.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or
                  after?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                  > glasses.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have
                  no
                  >> > choice but to announce what I've learned!
                  >> >
                  >> > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a
                  possibility
                  >> > that
                  >> > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the
                  mainstream
                  >> > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji
                  was
                  >> > not
                  >> > the full story.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                  > claims
                  >> > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                  >> >
                  >> > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Thank you!
                  >> >
                  >> > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                  >> > Majestic
                  >> > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                  >> > _________________
                  >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                  >> > Dondep or Dagwood
                  >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                  >> > #420
                  >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                  >> >
                  >> > Back to top
                  >> >
                  >> > Dondep
                  >> > Moderator
                  >> >
                  >> > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                  >> > Posts: 255
                  >> > Location: Las Vegas
                  >> > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                  >> >
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > Clarifications
                  >> >
                  >> > Dan wrote:
                  >> > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                  > There
                  >> > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                  >> > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                  > with
                  >> > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                  >> > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                  > Back
                  >> > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                  >> >
                  >> > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I
                  tried
                  > to
                  >> > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                  >> > Hilton
                  >> > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and
                  call
                  > us
                  >> > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet
                  X
                  >> > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation
                  aside.
                  >> > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                  >> > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never
                  heard,
                  >> > and
                  >> > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                  > wrong
                  >> > moments.
                  >> >
                  >> > Ann wrote:
                  >> > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us
                  getting
                  > the
                  >> > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                  >> >
                  >> > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                  >> >
                  >> > Dan wrote:
                  >> > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                  >> > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                  >> > issues
                  >> > are apples and oranges to me.
                  >> >
                  >> > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                  > Marci,
                  >> > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether
                  to
                  >> > laugh
                  >> > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                  >> > _________________
                  >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                  >> > Dondep or Dagwood
                  >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                  >> > #420
                  >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                • masanga@talktalk.net
                  Hi Ted, I see that you haven t lost any of your notable talent for making caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your aiming skill
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                    Hi Ted,

                    I see that you haven't lost any of your notable talent for making
                    caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your
                    aiming skill has got a bit rusty, I fear. You see, I never pretended to be
                    an investigator of anything, not of UFOs and definitely not the Dan Burisch
                    case, neither from my archmair nor in the field. So I'd like to know who is
                    calling me one because whoever it is has not done their investigative
                    homework properly before making that derogatory judgement of me.

                    But if my daring to discuss the Dan Burisch case at this forum
                    causes you to think that I am doing something illegitimate that entitles you
                    to sneer at me in this desultory way, then I think you are grossly
                    mistaken. I am perfectly entitled to discuss this case and Bill's
                    investigation of it too. Although I think he has done valiant work in
                    investigating it and reporting the results in his book "Project Aquarius",
                    his cannot be the only word on a case of this magnitude. We are all
                    entitled to a view, Ted, not just Bill and not just you. Besides that there
                    is essential evaluative work on the case which has still not been done and
                    until it is done by somebody there will be holes left in it, some of them
                    quite large. Don't criticise me for tackling these tasks which you have
                    done nothing to address.

                    Regan


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Ted
                    To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:10 AM
                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                    Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
                    investigator
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
                    To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                    > Regan,
                    >
                    > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                    > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                    > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                    > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                    > Its just not there.
                    >
                    > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                    > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                    >
                    > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                    > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                    > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                    >
                    > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                    > UFO case, then be my guest.
                    >
                    > Bill
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: <masanga@...>
                    > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                    >
                    >
                    >> Bill,
                    >>
                    >> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
                    >> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                    >> to
                    >> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also providing
                    >> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and lurid
                    >> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
                    >> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
                    >> we
                    >> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
                    >> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they will
                    >> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
                    >> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                    >> like
                    >> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                    >> Dan
                    >> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                    >>
                    >> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's radical
                    >> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                    >> think
                    >> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come out
                    >> of
                    >> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                    >> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
                    >> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import of
                    >> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are assessed
                    >> as
                    >> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                    >> message
                    >> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                    >> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                    >> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                    >> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                    >> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                    >> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                    >> be
                    >> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they can
                    >> do
                    >> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                    >> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                    >> should
                    >> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                    >> under
                    >> the circumstances.
                    >>
                    >> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                    >> yourselves
                    >> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                    >> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking. Both
                    >> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                    >> free
                    >> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                    >> far
                    >> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
                    >> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                    >> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                    >> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                    >> and
                    >> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                    >> control
                    >> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
                    >> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                    >> suspect
                    >> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                    >> "part
                    >> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer and
                    >> a
                    >> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                    >> accordingly.
                    >> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                    >> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                    >> or
                    >> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                    >> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
                    >> but
                    >> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                    >> contradictory.
                    >> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
                    >> and
                    >> general confusion in people's minds.
                    >>
                    >> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                    >> instant
                    >> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that is
                    >> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                    >> think
                    >> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their judgement
                    >> in
                    >> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                    >> the
                    >> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                    >> But
                    >> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                    >> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                    >> things
                    >> to do.
                    >>
                    >> Sincerely,
                    >> Regan
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: William Hamilton
                    >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                    >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> Dex,
                    >>
                    >> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                    >> on
                    >> these forums
                    >> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
                    >> Golden
                    >> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                    >> understood
                    >> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                    >> out
                    >> of
                    >> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                    >>
                    >> Sincerely,
                    >>
                    >> Bill Hamilton
                    >> AstroScience Research
                    >> http://www.astrosciences.info
                    >> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                    >> incredible."
                    >> Fred Hoyle
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                    >> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                    >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                    >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                    >>
                    >> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                    >> A=Ann
                    >> D=Dan B.
                    >> M=Marci
                    >> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                    >> --------------
                    >> Dxx=Dondep
                    >>
                    >> Dex
                    >> ******************************************************************
                    >> Cross posting:
                    >>
                    >> Dondep wrote:
                    >>
                    >> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                    >>
                    >> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                    >> feint,
                    >> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                    >>
                    >> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
                    >> how
                    >> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                    >> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in response
                    >> to
                    >> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                    >>
                    >> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                    >> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                    >> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                    >> 18th
                    >> induction last year.
                    >>
                    >> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
                    >> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                    >> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                    >> oh
                    >> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                    >> 'religious
                    >> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                    >> which
                    >> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                    >> made
                    >> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
                    >> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                    >> to
                    >> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                    >> would
                    >> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn doctorate
                    >> is
                    >> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate it
                    >> in
                    >> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                    >> something
                    >> REAL.
                    >>
                    >> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                    >> assassination
                    >> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
                    >> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                    >>
                    >> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                    >>
                    >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                    >>
                    >> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                    >> Vance at GLP wrote:
                    >>
                    >> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
                    >> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                    >> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                    >> was
                    >> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
                    >> his
                    >> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                    >>
                    >> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
                    >> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did any
                    >> of
                    >> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                    >> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                    >> exist,
                    >> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                    >> as
                    >> a
                    >> freebe disinfo tool.
                    >>
                    >> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
                    >> you
                    >> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
                    >> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                    >> consider other claims he makes.
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: Vance 302106
                    >>
                    >> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                    >> free
                    >> to talk about at all...."
                    >> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                    >>
                    >> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                    >> 'official'
                    >> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                    >> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                    >> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                    >>
                    >> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                    >> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                    >> reality,
                    >> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                    >> population of the world. ....."
                    >>
                    >> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
                    >> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                    >> April 13th, 2005:
                    >>
                    >> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                    >> of
                    >> a
                    >> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
                    >> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                    >> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
                    >> as
                    >> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                    >> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                    >> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                    >> the
                    >> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
                    >> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                    >> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                    >> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
                    >> the
                    >> issuing authority."
                    >> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                    >>
                    >> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link to
                    >> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                    >>
                    >> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12 lawyer,
                    >> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                    >> help
                    >> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                    >> they
                    >> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                    >>
                    >> Todd wrote:
                    >> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                    >> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                    >> generated
                    >> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                    >> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                    >> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                    >> prove
                    >> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                    >> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                    >>
                    >> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to use,
                    >> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
                    >> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                    >> him
                    >> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                    >> all
                    >> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only Dan
                    >> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
                    >> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality a
                    >> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
                    >> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                    >> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                    >> on
                    >> a
                    >> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
                    >> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in as
                    >> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                    >> that
                    >> happened.
                    >>
                    >> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                    >> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                    >> he'll
                    >> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same day!
                    >>
                    >> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                    >> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over" when
                    >> in
                    >> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                    >> in
                    >> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                    >> had
                    >> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                    >> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                    >> them.
                    >>
                    >> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                    >> Hoi all,
                    >> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                    >> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                    >> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                    >> correct.
                    >> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if 10%
                    >> is
                    >> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                    >> unknown.
                    >> JAn
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                    >>
                    >> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                    >> treehouse
                    >> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on Oct
                    >> 2,
                    >> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                    >> blinded
                    >> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                    >> also
                    >> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
                    >> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                    >> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
                    >> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                    >> with
                    >> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                    >> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                    >> independent
                    >> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                    >> public
                    >> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                    >> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                    >> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                    >> the
                    >> role of Dan.}
                    >>
                    >> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
                    >> 10%
                    >> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                    >> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                    >> Dick
                    >> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                    >> the
                    >> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                    >> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one thing,
                    >> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to the
                    >> future of humanity.
                    >>
                    >> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                    >> .........
                    >> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm still
                    >> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
                    >> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                    >> interest
                    >> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                    >> fantasies,
                    >> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                    >> group
                    >> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about the
                    >> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to discuss
                    >> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be Dan's
                    >> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
                    >> she
                    >> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's wife...oh,
                    >> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                    >> reconciliation,
                    >> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting. (Maybe
                    >> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
                    >> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                    >> who
                    >> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                    >> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                    >> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                    >> project
                    >> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
                    >> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what difference
                    >> it
                    >> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
                    >> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                    >> explain further.
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                    >>
                    >> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                    >> appears
                    >> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                    >> in
                    >> a
                    >> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                    >> once
                    >> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                    >> got
                    >> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                    >> business
                    >> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                    >> community
                    >> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to the
                    >> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                    >> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                    >> accused
                    >> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                    >>
                    >> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
                    >> as
                    >> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                    >> and
                    >> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                    >> sinker
                    >> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
                    >> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
                    >> the
                    >> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                    >> to
                    >> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                    >> shied
                    >> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                    >> admitted
                    >> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or the
                    >> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of what
                    >> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                    >> that? Hmmmmmm......
                    >>
                    >> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                    >> But
                    >> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                    >> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
                    >> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                    >> George
                    >> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                    >> when
                    >> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                    >> evidence
                    >> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                    >> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                    >> balance
                    >> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                    >> "The
                    >> tissue ain't the issue!"
                    >>
                    >> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                    >> Doreen
                    >> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                    >> such
                    >> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
                    >> or
                    >> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or
                    >> 2
                    >> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                    >> could
                    >> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
                    >> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                    >> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                    >>
                    >> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                    >> changes
                    >> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                    >>
                    >> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                    >> Hey DonDep!!
                    >>
                    >> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread on
                    >> an
                    >> artifact dealing with time.
                    >>
                    >> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                    >> work
                    >> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                    >>
                    >> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
                    >> what-so-ever.
                    >>
                    >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                    >>
                    >> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
                    >> or
                    >> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                    >>
                    >> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                    >> you.
                    >>
                    >> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                    >>
                    >> Namaste
                    >> Z
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: zacksavage
                    >>
                    >> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                    >> original
                    >> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                    >> once
                    >> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                    >> there
                    >> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be able
                    >> to
                    >> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                    >> were
                    >> all naive to it.
                    >>
                    >> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                    >> black-ops
                    >> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                    >> Reason
                    >> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
                    >> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                    >> via
                    >> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
                    >> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                    >> them
                    >> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
                    >> we
                    >> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                    >> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                    >> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he had',
                    >> as
                    >> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                    >> use
                    >> it?"
                    >>
                    >> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                    >> black
                    >> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                    >> Moses;
                    >> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                    >> FBI
                    >> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                    >> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and merciful
                    >> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                    >> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                    >> .......
                    >> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
                    >> what-so-ever.
                    >>
                    >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                    >>
                    >> Therein lies the quandary!
                    >>
                    >> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff' over
                    >> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a couple
                    >> of
                    >> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                    >> but
                    >> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've always
                    >> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                    >>
                    >> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                    >> But,
                    >> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                    >> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
                    >> the
                    >> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                    >> the
                    >> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
                    >> to
                    >> be trapped in either when the time came.
                    >>
                    >> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                    >> words.
                    >> _________________
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                    >> Dondep or Dagwood
                    >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
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                    >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                    >>
                    >> Dondep
                    >> Moderator
                    >>
                    >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                    >> Posts: 255
                    >> Location: Las Vegas
                    >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                    >> Ann
                    >>
                    >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                    >>
                    >> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                    >>
                    >> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                    >> Dadmiral
                    >> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                    >> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                    >>
                    >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                    >>
                    >> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                    >> you
                    >> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                    >> you
                    >> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
                    >> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                    >> us!
                    >> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                    >> Looking
                    >> Glass showed.
                    >>
                    >> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                    >>
                    >> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in case
                    >> we
                    >> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                    >> some
                    >> time.
                    >>
                    >> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                    >>
                    >> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                    >>
                    >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                    >> There
                    >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                    >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                    >> with
                    >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                    >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                    >> Back
                    >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                    >>
                    >> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability of
                    >> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                    >> range.
                    >> I
                    >> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                    >>
                    >> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved thing.
                    >> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                    >> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                    >>
                    >> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                    >>
                    >> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of provisions
                    >> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                    >> way
                    >> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                    >> told
                    >> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                    >>
                    >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                    >> the
                    >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                    >>
                    >> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                    >>
                    >> A: Dxx, silly!
                    >>
                    >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                    >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                    >> issues
                    >> are apples and oranges to me.
                    >>
                    >> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
                    >>
                    >> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying
                    >> a
                    >> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
                    >> location?
                    >>
                    >> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                    >>
                    >> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
                    >> us,
                    >> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
                    >> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                    >>
                    >> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the war
                    >> quicker! (laughing)
                    >>
                    >> D: Not funny!
                    >>
                    >> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                    >> either.
                    >>
                    >> J: Look Dan -
                    >>
                    >> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get, I
                    >> am
                    >> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                    >>
                    >> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                    >>
                    >> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                    >> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should have
                    >> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
                    >> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                    >> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You withhold
                    >> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                    >>
                    >> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                    >> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                    >>
                    >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                    >>
                    >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                    >> glasses.
                    >>
                    >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                    >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                    >>
                    >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                    >>
                    >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                    >> that
                    >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                    >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                    >> not
                    >> the full story.
                    >>
                    >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                    >> claims
                    >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                    >>
                    >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                    >>
                    >> D: Thank you!
                    >>
                    >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                    >> Majestic
                    >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                    >>
                    >> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                    >>
                    >> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                    >>
                    >> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                    >> sure
                    >> it will miss us?
                    >>
                    >> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                    >>
                    >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                    >>
                    >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                    >> glasses.
                    >>
                    >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                    >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                    >>
                    >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                    >>
                    >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                    >> that
                    >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                    >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                    >> not
                    >> the full story.
                    >>
                    >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                    >> claims
                    >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                    >>
                    >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                    >>
                    >> D: Thank you!
                    >>
                    >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                    >> Majestic
                    >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
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                    >>
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                    >>
                    >> Dondep
                    >> Moderator
                    >>
                    >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                    >> Posts: 255
                    >> Location: Las Vegas
                    >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                    >>
                    >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                    >>
                    >> Clarifications
                    >>
                    >> Dan wrote:
                    >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                    >> There
                    >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                    >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                    >> with
                    >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                    >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                    >> Back
                    >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                    >>
                    >> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried to
                    >> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                    >> Hilton
                    >> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                    >> us
                    >> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                    >> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                    >> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                    >> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                    >> and
                    >> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                    >> wrong
                    >> moments.
                    >>
                    >> Ann wrote:
                    >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                    >> the
                    >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                    >>
                    >> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                    >>
                    >> Dan wrote:
                    >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                    >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                    >> issues
                    >> are apples and oranges to me.
                    >>
                    >> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with Marci,
                    >> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                    >> laugh
                    >> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                    >> _________________
                    >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                    >> Dondep or Dagwood
                    >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                    >> #420
                    >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                  • Ted
                    Regan, Thanks for that well thought out response. I guess I had it coming. As for it being caustic, maybe it was a bit over the top and for that I apologize.
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                      Regan,
                      Thanks for that well thought out response. I guess I had it coming.
                      As for it being caustic, maybe it was a bit over the top and for that I
                      apologize.
                      As you stated in your post, I know longer am doing my show. Maybe it's
                      because of the same reason Bill has stepped back.
                      That said, I still keep an ear to the net. I guess once you've walked the
                      mile , it's hard to get the dust off.
                      I have enjoyed your comments over the yrs, and have admired the way you put
                      words to screen, then to hear you , seemingly to attack Bill, I fired back
                      without thinking.
                      Now that I no longer do the show, maybe I've gotten jaded a bit.
                      Allot of what I see are individuals claiming to do the work needed to bring
                      a good investigation , instead all they want is to speak at someone's
                      conference, or to get their 15 minutes on the tube.
                      There are others that I respect in this field that don't believe in Dan, as
                      they think Dan's full of crap. I also defend them, as I've done for Bill.
                      Good research is hard work and takes a long time , if you're going to get it
                      right. Are there things left out , of course. They have also walked the so
                      called mile in their investigation of Dan.
                      So who do I believe, both , I guess.
                      Only time will tell Or not.
                      Finely , you were correct to call me out. Rightfully so.
                      It is scheduled for Dan to be asked questioned at an up coming conference.
                      Then maybe we'll get the questions you posed and maybe then we'll get the
                      answers we all want.
                      Ted
                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: <masanga@...>
                      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:24 AM
                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                      > Hi Ted,
                      >
                      > I see that you haven't lost any of your notable talent for making
                      > caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your
                      > aiming skill has got a bit rusty, I fear. You see, I never pretended to
                      > be
                      > an investigator of anything, not of UFOs and definitely not the Dan
                      > Burisch
                      > case, neither from my archmair nor in the field. So I'd like to know who
                      > is
                      > calling me one because whoever it is has not done their investigative
                      > homework properly before making that derogatory judgement of me.
                      >
                      > But if my daring to discuss the Dan Burisch case at this forum
                      > causes you to think that I am doing something illegitimate that entitles
                      > you
                      > to sneer at me in this desultory way, then I think you are grossly
                      > mistaken. I am perfectly entitled to discuss this case and Bill's
                      > investigation of it too. Although I think he has done valiant work in
                      > investigating it and reporting the results in his book "Project Aquarius",
                      > his cannot be the only word on a case of this magnitude. We are all
                      > entitled to a view, Ted, not just Bill and not just you. Besides that
                      > there
                      > is essential evaluative work on the case which has still not been done and
                      > until it is done by somebody there will be holes left in it, some of them
                      > quite large. Don't criticise me for tackling these tasks which you have
                      > done nothing to address.
                      >
                      > Regan
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: Ted
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:10 AM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                      >
                      >
                      > Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
                      > investigator
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
                      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                      >
                      >
                      >> Regan,
                      >>
                      >> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                      >> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                      >> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                      >> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                      >> Its just not there.
                      >>
                      >> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                      >> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                      >>
                      >> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                      >> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                      >> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                      >>
                      >> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                      >> UFO case, then be my guest.
                      >>
                      >> Bill
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: <masanga@...>
                      >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                      >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                      >>
                      >>
                      >>> Bill,
                      >>>
                      >>> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
                      >>> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                      >>> to
                      >>> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                      >>> providing
                      >>> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                      >>> lurid
                      >>> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
                      >>> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
                      >>> we
                      >>> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
                      >>> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                      >>> will
                      >>> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
                      >>> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                      >>> like
                      >>> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                      >>> Dan
                      >>> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                      >>>
                      >>> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                      >>> radical
                      >>> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                      >>> think
                      >>> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                      >>> out
                      >>> of
                      >>> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                      >>> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
                      >>> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                      >>> of
                      >>> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                      >>> assessed
                      >>> as
                      >>> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                      >>> message
                      >>> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                      >>> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                      >>> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                      >>> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                      >>> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                      >>> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                      >>> be
                      >>> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                      >>> can
                      >>> do
                      >>> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                      >>> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                      >>> should
                      >>> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                      >>> under
                      >>> the circumstances.
                      >>>
                      >>> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                      >>> yourselves
                      >>> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                      >>> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                      >>> Both
                      >>> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                      >>> free
                      >>> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                      >>> far
                      >>> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
                      >>> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                      >>> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                      >>> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                      >>> and
                      >>> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                      >>> control
                      >>> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
                      >>> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                      >>> suspect
                      >>> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                      >>> "part
                      >>> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                      >>> and
                      >>> a
                      >>> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                      >>> accordingly.
                      >>> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                      >>> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                      >>> or
                      >>> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                      >>> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
                      >>> but
                      >>> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                      >>> contradictory.
                      >>> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
                      >>> and
                      >>> general confusion in people's minds.
                      >>>
                      >>> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                      >>> instant
                      >>> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                      >>> is
                      >>> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                      >>> think
                      >>> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                      >>> judgement
                      >>> in
                      >>> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                      >>> the
                      >>> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                      >>> But
                      >>> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                      >>> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                      >>> things
                      >>> to do.
                      >>>
                      >>> Sincerely,
                      >>> Regan
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> ----- Original Message -----
                      >>> From: William Hamilton
                      >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                      >>> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                      >>>
                      >>>
                      >>> Dex,
                      >>>
                      >>> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                      >>> on
                      >>> these forums
                      >>> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
                      >>> Golden
                      >>> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                      >>> understood
                      >>> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                      >>> out
                      >>> of
                      >>> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                      >>>
                      >>> Sincerely,
                      >>>
                      >>> Bill Hamilton
                      >>> AstroScience Research
                      >>> http://www.astrosciences.info
                      >>> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                      >>> incredible."
                      >>> Fred Hoyle
                      >>>
                      >>> ----- Original Message -----
                      >>> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                      >>> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                      >>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                      >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                      >>>
                      >>> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                      >>> A=Ann
                      >>> D=Dan B.
                      >>> M=Marci
                      >>> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                      >>> --------------
                      >>> Dxx=Dondep
                      >>>
                      >>> Dex
                      >>> ******************************************************************
                      >>> Cross posting:
                      >>>
                      >>> Dondep wrote:
                      >>>
                      >>> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                      >>>
                      >>> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                      >>> feint,
                      >>> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                      >>>
                      >>> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
                      >>> how
                      >>> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                      >>> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                      >>> response
                      >>> to
                      >>> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                      >>>
                      >>> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                      >>> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                      >>> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                      >>> 18th
                      >>> induction last year.
                      >>>
                      >>> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
                      >>> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                      >>> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                      >>> oh
                      >>> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                      >>> 'religious
                      >>> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                      >>> which
                      >>> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                      >>> made
                      >>> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
                      >>> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                      >>> to
                      >>> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                      >>> would
                      >>> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                      >>> doctorate
                      >>> is
                      >>> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                      >>> it
                      >>> in
                      >>> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                      >>> something
                      >>> REAL.
                      >>>
                      >>> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                      >>> assassination
                      >>> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
                      >>> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                      >>>
                      >>> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                      >>>
                      >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      >>>
                      >>> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                      >>> Vance at GLP wrote:
                      >>>
                      >>> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
                      >>> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                      >>> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                      >>> was
                      >>> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
                      >>> his
                      >>> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                      >>>
                      >>> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
                      >>> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                      >>> any
                      >>> of
                      >>> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                      >>> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                      >>> exist,
                      >>> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                      >>> as
                      >>> a
                      >>> freebe disinfo tool.
                      >>>
                      >>> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
                      >>> you
                      >>> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
                      >>> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                      >>> consider other claims he makes.
                      >>>
                      >>> Quoting: Vance 302106
                      >>>
                      >>> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                      >>> free
                      >>> to talk about at all...."
                      >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                      >>>
                      >>> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                      >>> 'official'
                      >>> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                      >>> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                      >>> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                      >>>
                      >>> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                      >>> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                      >>> reality,
                      >>> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                      >>> population of the world. ....."
                      >>>
                      >>> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
                      >>> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                      >>> April 13th, 2005:
                      >>>
                      >>> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                      >>> of
                      >>> a
                      >>> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
                      >>> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                      >>> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
                      >>> as
                      >>> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                      >>> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                      >>> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                      >>> the
                      >>> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
                      >>> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                      >>> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                      >>> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
                      >>> the
                      >>> issuing authority."
                      >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                      >>>
                      >>> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                      >>> to
                      >>> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                      >>>
                      >>> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                      >>> lawyer,
                      >>> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                      >>> help
                      >>> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                      >>> they
                      >>> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                      >>>
                      >>> Todd wrote:
                      >>> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                      >>> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                      >>> generated
                      >>> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                      >>> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                      >>> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                      >>> prove
                      >>> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                      >>> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                      >>>
                      >>> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                      >>>
                      >>> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                      >>> use,
                      >>> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
                      >>> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                      >>> him
                      >>> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                      >>> all
                      >>> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                      >>> Dan
                      >>> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
                      >>> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                      >>> a
                      >>> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
                      >>> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                      >>> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                      >>> on
                      >>> a
                      >>> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
                      >>> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                      >>> as
                      >>> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                      >>> that
                      >>> happened.
                      >>>
                      >>> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                      >>> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                      >>> he'll
                      >>> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                      >>> day!
                      >>>
                      >>> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                      >>> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                      >>> when
                      >>> in
                      >>> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                      >>> in
                      >>> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                      >>> had
                      >>> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                      >>> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                      >>> them.
                      >>>
                      >>> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                      >>> Hoi all,
                      >>> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                      >>> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                      >>> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                      >>> correct.
                      >>> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                      >>> 10%
                      >>> is
                      >>> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                      >>> unknown.
                      >>> JAn
                      >>>
                      >>> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                      >>>
                      >>> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                      >>> treehouse
                      >>> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                      >>> Oct
                      >>> 2,
                      >>> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                      >>> blinded
                      >>> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                      >>> also
                      >>> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
                      >>> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                      >>> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
                      >>> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                      >>> with
                      >>> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                      >>> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                      >>> independent
                      >>> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                      >>> public
                      >>> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                      >>> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                      >>> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                      >>> the
                      >>> role of Dan.}
                      >>>
                      >>> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
                      >>> 10%
                      >>> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                      >>> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                      >>> Dick
                      >>> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                      >>> the
                      >>> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                      >>> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                      >>> thing,
                      >>> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                      >>> the
                      >>> future of humanity.
                      >>>
                      >>> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                      >>> .........
                      >>> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                      >>> still
                      >>> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
                      >>> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                      >>> interest
                      >>> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                      >>> fantasies,
                      >>> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                      >>> group
                      >>> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                      >>> the
                      >>> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                      >>> discuss
                      >>> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                      >>> Dan's
                      >>> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
                      >>> she
                      >>> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                      >>> wife...oh,
                      >>> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                      >>> reconciliation,
                      >>> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                      >>> (Maybe
                      >>> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
                      >>> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                      >>> who
                      >>> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                      >>> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                      >>> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                      >>> project
                      >>> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
                      >>> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                      >>> difference
                      >>> it
                      >>> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
                      >>> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                      >>> explain further.
                      >>>
                      >>> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                      >>>
                      >>> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                      >>> appears
                      >>> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                      >>> in
                      >>> a
                      >>> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                      >>> once
                      >>> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                      >>> got
                      >>> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                      >>> business
                      >>> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                      >>> community
                      >>> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                      >>> the
                      >>> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                      >>> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                      >>> accused
                      >>> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                      >>>
                      >>> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
                      >>> as
                      >>> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                      >>> and
                      >>> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                      >>> sinker
                      >>> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
                      >>> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
                      >>> the
                      >>> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                      >>> to
                      >>> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                      >>> shied
                      >>> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                      >>> admitted
                      >>> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                      >>> the
                      >>> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                      >>> what
                      >>> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                      >>> that? Hmmmmmm......
                      >>>
                      >>> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                      >>> But
                      >>> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                      >>> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
                      >>> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                      >>> George
                      >>> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                      >>> when
                      >>> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                      >>> evidence
                      >>> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                      >>> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                      >>> balance
                      >>> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                      >>> "The
                      >>> tissue ain't the issue!"
                      >>>
                      >>> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                      >>> Doreen
                      >>> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                      >>> such
                      >>> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
                      >>> or
                      >>> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or
                      >>> 2
                      >>> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                      >>> could
                      >>> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
                      >>> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                      >>> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                      >>>
                      >>> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                      >>> changes
                      >>> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                      >>>
                      >>> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                      >>> Hey DonDep!!
                      >>>
                      >>> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                      >>> on
                      >>> an
                      >>> artifact dealing with time.
                      >>>
                      >>> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                      >>> work
                      >>> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                      >>>
                      >>> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
                      >>> what-so-ever.
                      >>>
                      >>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                      >>>
                      >>> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
                      >>> or
                      >>> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                      >>>
                      >>> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                      >>> you.
                      >>>
                      >>> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                      >>>
                      >>> Namaste
                      >>> Z
                      >>>
                      >>> Quoting: zacksavage
                      >>>
                      >>> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                      >>> original
                      >>> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                      >>> once
                      >>> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                      >>> there
                      >>> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                      >>> able
                      >>> to
                      >>> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                      >>> were
                      >>> all naive to it.
                      >>>
                      >>> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                      >>> black-ops
                      >>> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                      >>> Reason
                      >>> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
                      >>> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                      >>> via
                      >>> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
                      >>> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                      >>> them
                      >>> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
                      >>> we
                      >>> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                      >>> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                      >>> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                      >>> had',
                      >>> as
                      >>> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                      >>> use
                      >>> it?"
                      >>>
                      >>> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                      >>> black
                      >>> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                      >>> Moses;
                      >>> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                      >>> FBI
                      >>> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                      >>> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                      >>> merciful
                      >>> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                      >>> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                      >>> .......
                      >>> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                      >>> validation
                      >>> what-so-ever.
                      >>>
                      >>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                      >>>
                      >>> Therein lies the quandary!
                      >>>
                      >>> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                      >>> over
                      >>> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                      >>> couple
                      >>> of
                      >>> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                      >>> but
                      >>> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                      >>> always
                      >>> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                      >>>
                      >>> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                      >>> But,
                      >>> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                      >>> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
                      >>> the
                      >>> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                      >>> the
                      >>> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
                      >>> to
                      >>> be trapped in either when the time came.
                      >>>
                      >>> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                      >>> words.
                      >>> _________________
                      >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                      >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                      >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                      >>> #420
                      >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                      >>>
                      >>> Dondep
                      >>> Moderator
                      >>>
                      >>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                      >>> Posts: 255
                      >>> Location: Las Vegas
                      >>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                      >>> Ann
                      >>>
                      >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      >>>
                      >>> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                      >>>
                      >>> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                      >>> Dadmiral
                      >>> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                      >>> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                      >>>
                      >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      >>>
                      >>> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                      >>> you
                      >>> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                      >>> you
                      >>> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
                      >>> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                      >>> us!
                      >>> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                      >>> Looking
                      >>> Glass showed.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                      >>>
                      >>> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                      >>> case
                      >>> we
                      >>> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                      >>> some
                      >>> time.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                      >>>
                      >>> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                      >>>
                      >>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                      >>> There
                      >>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                      >>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                      >>> with
                      >>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                      >>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                      >>> Back
                      >>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                      >>>
                      >>> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                      >>> of
                      >>> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                      >>> range.
                      >>> I
                      >>> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                      >>> thing.
                      >>> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                      >>> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                      >>>
                      >>> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                      >>>
                      >>> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                      >>> provisions
                      >>> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                      >>> way
                      >>> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                      >>> told
                      >>> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                      >>>
                      >>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                      >>> the
                      >>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                      >>>
                      >>> A: Dxx, silly!
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                      >>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                      >>> issues
                      >>> are apples and oranges to me.
                      >>>
                      >>> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying
                      >>> a
                      >>> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
                      >>> location?
                      >>>
                      >>> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
                      >>> us,
                      >>> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
                      >>> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                      >>>
                      >>> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                      >>> war
                      >>> quicker! (laughing)
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Not funny!
                      >>>
                      >>> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                      >>> either.
                      >>>
                      >>> J: Look Dan -
                      >>>
                      >>> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                      >>> I
                      >>> am
                      >>> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                      >>>
                      >>> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                      >>>
                      >>> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                      >>> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                      >>> have
                      >>> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
                      >>> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                      >>> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                      >>> withhold
                      >>> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                      >>>
                      >>> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                      >>> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                      >>>
                      >>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                      >>> glasses.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                      >>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                      >>>
                      >>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                      >>> that
                      >>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                      >>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                      >>> not
                      >>> the full story.
                      >>>
                      >>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                      >>> claims
                      >>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                      >>>
                      >>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Thank you!
                      >>>
                      >>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                      >>> Majestic
                      >>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                      >>>
                      >>> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                      >>> sure
                      >>> it will miss us?
                      >>>
                      >>> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                      >>>
                      >>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                      >>> glasses.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                      >>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                      >>>
                      >>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                      >>> that
                      >>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                      >>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                      >>> not
                      >>> the full story.
                      >>>
                      >>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                      >>> claims
                      >>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                      >>>
                      >>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                      >>>
                      >>> D: Thank you!
                      >>>
                      >>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                      >>> Majestic
                      >>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                      >>> _________________
                      >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                      >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                      >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                      >>> #420
                      >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                      >>>
                      >>> Back to top
                      >>>
                      >>> Dondep
                      >>> Moderator
                      >>>
                      >>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                      >>> Posts: 255
                      >>> Location: Las Vegas
                      >>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                      >>>
                      >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      >>>
                      >>> Clarifications
                      >>>
                      >>> Dan wrote:
                      >>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                      >>> There
                      >>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                      >>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                      >>> with
                      >>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                      >>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                      >>> Back
                      >>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                      >>>
                      >>> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                      >>> to
                      >>> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                      >>> Hilton
                      >>> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                      >>> us
                      >>> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                      >>> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                      >>> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                      >>> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                      >>> and
                      >>> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                      >>> wrong
                      >>> moments.
                      >>>
                      >>> Ann wrote:
                      >>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                      >>> the
                      >>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                      >>>
                      >>> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                      >>>
                      >>> Dan wrote:
                      >>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                      >>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                      >>> issues
                      >>> are apples and oranges to me.
                      >>>
                      >>> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                      >>> Marci,
                      >>> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                      >>> laugh
                      >>> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                      >>> _________________
                      >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                      >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                      >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                      >>> #420
                      >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
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                      That was a magnificent and gracious apology, Ted. All is forgiven. I think you have shown yourself to be a big person and definitely one of the good guys. :-)
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                        That was a magnificent and gracious apology, Ted. All is forgiven.
                        I think you have shown yourself to be a big person and definitely one of the
                        good guys. :-)

                        If you ever get back to doing your show let me know and if it's
                        accessible on the net I'll tune into it. (I live in Britain so it would be
                        a bit difficult otherwise.)

                        I'm sure you must have met all types of characters when you were
                        doing your show and I can imagine that you could have got burn-out from it
                        too.

                        Regarding the Dan Burisch case, the evaluative work that I spoke of
                        really concerns the wider implications of the case (mostly concerning the
                        nature and character of the secret government) if we assume that Dan is
                        telling the truth. To date the media seem to have focussed almost
                        exclusively on the personalities involved in the case, with the result that
                        there has just been more and more controversy surrounding it that has become
                        quite bizarre and ridiculous in places. I can well believe that Bill has
                        got burn-out from having to face and deal with so much obtuse, dishonest and
                        frivolous nonsense continually - it would probably drive me to apoplexy!
                        How much of it has been due to the secret government's deliberate
                        confusion-sowing and how much has been due to the media's need to stir up
                        conflict and controversy anyway in order to sell copy, I wouldn't want to
                        guess. But I do think that the important questions which the case raises
                        cannot be explored by following this popular path of personal judgement and
                        credibility evaluation. To my mind it's getting overdue for us to focus on
                        the impersonal aspects of the case now.

                        I am hoping you are right in thinking that Dan might address some of
                        these wider issues at his forthcoming conference, although if it is the same
                        one that Bill referred to in an earlier post of his I would expect it to be
                        dominated by questions of science. However I think we have enough raw data
                        to go on already to be able to draw some significant conclusions.

                        Sincere regards,
                        Regan


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Ted
                        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:50 PM
                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                        Regan,
                        Thanks for that well thought out response. I guess I had it coming.
                        As for it being caustic, maybe it was a bit over the top and for that I
                        apologize.
                        As you stated in your post, I know longer am doing my show. Maybe it's
                        because of the same reason Bill has stepped back.
                        That said, I still keep an ear to the net. I guess once you've walked the
                        mile , it's hard to get the dust off.
                        I have enjoyed your comments over the yrs, and have admired the way you put
                        words to screen, then to hear you , seemingly to attack Bill, I fired back
                        without thinking.
                        Now that I no longer do the show, maybe I've gotten jaded a bit.
                        Allot of what I see are individuals claiming to do the work needed to bring
                        a good investigation , instead all they want is to speak at someone's
                        conference, or to get their 15 minutes on the tube.
                        There are others that I respect in this field that don't believe in Dan, as
                        they think Dan's full of crap. I also defend them, as I've done for Bill.
                        Good research is hard work and takes a long time , if you're going to get it
                        right. Are there things left out , of course. They have also walked the so
                        called mile in their investigation of Dan.
                        So who do I believe, both , I guess.
                        Only time will tell Or not.
                        Finely , you were correct to call me out. Rightfully so.
                        It is scheduled for Dan to be asked questioned at an up coming conference.
                        Then maybe we'll get the questions you posed and maybe then we'll get the
                        answers we all want.
                        Ted
                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: <masanga@...>
                        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:24 AM
                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                        > Hi Ted,
                        >
                        > I see that you haven't lost any of your notable talent for making
                        > caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your
                        > aiming skill has got a bit rusty, I fear. You see, I never pretended to
                        > be
                        > an investigator of anything, not of UFOs and definitely not the Dan
                        > Burisch
                        > case, neither from my archmair nor in the field. So I'd like to know who
                        > is
                        > calling me one because whoever it is has not done their investigative
                        > homework properly before making that derogatory judgement of me.
                        >
                        > But if my daring to discuss the Dan Burisch case at this forum
                        > causes you to think that I am doing something illegitimate that entitles
                        > you
                        > to sneer at me in this desultory way, then I think you are grossly
                        > mistaken. I am perfectly entitled to discuss this case and Bill's
                        > investigation of it too. Although I think he has done valiant work in
                        > investigating it and reporting the results in his book "Project Aquarius",
                        > his cannot be the only word on a case of this magnitude. We are all
                        > entitled to a view, Ted, not just Bill and not just you. Besides that
                        > there
                        > is essential evaluative work on the case which has still not been done and
                        > until it is done by somebody there will be holes left in it, some of them
                        > quite large. Don't criticise me for tackling these tasks which you have
                        > done nothing to address.
                        >
                        > Regan
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Ted
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:10 AM
                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                        >
                        >
                        > Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
                        > investigator
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
                        > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                        >
                        >
                        >> Regan,
                        >>
                        >> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                        >> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                        >> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                        >> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                        >> Its just not there.
                        >>
                        >> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                        >> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                        >>
                        >> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                        >> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                        >> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                        >>
                        >> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                        >> UFO case, then be my guest.
                        >>
                        >> Bill
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> ----- Original Message -----
                        >> From: <masanga@...>
                        >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                        >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                        >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>> Bill,
                        >>>
                        >>> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
                        >>> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                        >>> to
                        >>> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                        >>> providing
                        >>> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                        >>> lurid
                        >>> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
                        >>> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
                        >>> we
                        >>> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
                        >>> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                        >>> will
                        >>> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
                        >>> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                        >>> like
                        >>> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                        >>> Dan
                        >>> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                        >>>
                        >>> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                        >>> radical
                        >>> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                        >>> think
                        >>> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                        >>> out
                        >>> of
                        >>> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                        >>> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
                        >>> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                        >>> of
                        >>> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                        >>> assessed
                        >>> as
                        >>> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                        >>> message
                        >>> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                        >>> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                        >>> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                        >>> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                        >>> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                        >>> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                        >>> be
                        >>> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                        >>> can
                        >>> do
                        >>> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                        >>> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                        >>> should
                        >>> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                        >>> under
                        >>> the circumstances.
                        >>>
                        >>> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                        >>> yourselves
                        >>> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                        >>> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                        >>> Both
                        >>> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                        >>> free
                        >>> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                        >>> far
                        >>> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
                        >>> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                        >>> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                        >>> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                        >>> and
                        >>> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                        >>> control
                        >>> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
                        >>> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                        >>> suspect
                        >>> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                        >>> "part
                        >>> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                        >>> and
                        >>> a
                        >>> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                        >>> accordingly.
                        >>> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                        >>> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                        >>> or
                        >>> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                        >>> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
                        >>> but
                        >>> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                        >>> contradictory.
                        >>> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
                        >>> and
                        >>> general confusion in people's minds.
                        >>>
                        >>> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                        >>> instant
                        >>> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                        >>> is
                        >>> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                        >>> think
                        >>> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                        >>> judgement
                        >>> in
                        >>> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                        >>> the
                        >>> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                        >>> But
                        >>> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                        >>> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                        >>> things
                        >>> to do.
                        >>>
                        >>> Sincerely,
                        >>> Regan
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> From: William Hamilton
                        >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                        >>> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                        >>>
                        >>>
                        >>> Dex,
                        >>>
                        >>> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                        >>> on
                        >>> these forums
                        >>> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
                        >>> Golden
                        >>> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                        >>> understood
                        >>> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                        >>> out
                        >>> of
                        >>> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                        >>>
                        >>> Sincerely,
                        >>>
                        >>> Bill Hamilton
                        >>> AstroScience Research
                        >>> http://www.astrosciences.info
                        >>> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                        >>> incredible."
                        >>> Fred Hoyle
                        >>>
                        >>> ----- Original Message -----
                        >>> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                        >>> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                        >>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                        >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                        >>>
                        >>> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                        >>> A=Ann
                        >>> D=Dan B.
                        >>> M=Marci
                        >>> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                        >>> --------------
                        >>> Dxx=Dondep
                        >>>
                        >>> Dex
                        >>> ******************************************************************
                        >>> Cross posting:
                        >>>
                        >>> Dondep wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                        >>>
                        >>> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                        >>> feint,
                        >>> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                        >>>
                        >>> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
                        >>> how
                        >>> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                        >>> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                        >>> response
                        >>> to
                        >>> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                        >>>
                        >>> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                        >>> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                        >>> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                        >>> 18th
                        >>> induction last year.
                        >>>
                        >>> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
                        >>> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                        >>> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                        >>> oh
                        >>> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                        >>> 'religious
                        >>> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                        >>> which
                        >>> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                        >>> made
                        >>> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
                        >>> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                        >>> to
                        >>> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                        >>> would
                        >>> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                        >>> doctorate
                        >>> is
                        >>> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                        >>> it
                        >>> in
                        >>> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                        >>> something
                        >>> REAL.
                        >>>
                        >>> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                        >>> assassination
                        >>> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
                        >>> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                        >>>
                        >>> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                        >>> Vance at GLP wrote:
                        >>>
                        >>> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
                        >>> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                        >>> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                        >>> was
                        >>> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
                        >>> his
                        >>> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                        >>>
                        >>> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
                        >>> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                        >>> any
                        >>> of
                        >>> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                        >>> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                        >>> exist,
                        >>> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                        >>> as
                        >>> a
                        >>> freebe disinfo tool.
                        >>>
                        >>> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
                        >>> you
                        >>> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
                        >>> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                        >>> consider other claims he makes.
                        >>>
                        >>> Quoting: Vance 302106
                        >>>
                        >>> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                        >>> free
                        >>> to talk about at all...."
                        >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                        >>> 'official'
                        >>> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                        >>> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                        >>> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                        >>>
                        >>> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                        >>> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                        >>> reality,
                        >>> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                        >>> population of the world. ....."
                        >>>
                        >>> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
                        >>> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                        >>> April 13th, 2005:
                        >>>
                        >>> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                        >>> of
                        >>> a
                        >>> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
                        >>> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                        >>> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
                        >>> as
                        >>> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                        >>> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                        >>> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                        >>> the
                        >>> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
                        >>> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                        >>> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                        >>> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
                        >>> the
                        >>> issuing authority."
                        >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                        >>> to
                        >>> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                        >>>
                        >>> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                        >>> lawyer,
                        >>> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                        >>> help
                        >>> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                        >>> they
                        >>> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                        >>>
                        >>> Todd wrote:
                        >>> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                        >>> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                        >>> generated
                        >>> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                        >>> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                        >>> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                        >>> prove
                        >>> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                        >>> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                        >>>
                        >>> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                        >>>
                        >>> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                        >>> use,
                        >>> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
                        >>> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                        >>> him
                        >>> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                        >>> all
                        >>> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                        >>> Dan
                        >>> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
                        >>> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                        >>> a
                        >>> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
                        >>> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                        >>> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                        >>> on
                        >>> a
                        >>> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
                        >>> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                        >>> as
                        >>> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                        >>> that
                        >>> happened.
                        >>>
                        >>> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                        >>> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                        >>> he'll
                        >>> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                        >>> day!
                        >>>
                        >>> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                        >>> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                        >>> when
                        >>> in
                        >>> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                        >>> in
                        >>> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                        >>> had
                        >>> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                        >>> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                        >>> them.
                        >>>
                        >>> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                        >>> Hoi all,
                        >>> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                        >>> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                        >>> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                        >>> correct.
                        >>> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                        >>> 10%
                        >>> is
                        >>> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                        >>> unknown.
                        >>> JAn
                        >>>
                        >>> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                        >>>
                        >>> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                        >>> treehouse
                        >>> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                        >>> Oct
                        >>> 2,
                        >>> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                        >>> blinded
                        >>> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                        >>> also
                        >>> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
                        >>> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                        >>> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
                        >>> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                        >>> with
                        >>> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                        >>> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                        >>> independent
                        >>> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                        >>> public
                        >>> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                        >>> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                        >>> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                        >>> the
                        >>> role of Dan.}
                        >>>
                        >>> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
                        >>> 10%
                        >>> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                        >>> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                        >>> Dick
                        >>> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                        >>> the
                        >>> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                        >>> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                        >>> thing,
                        >>> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                        >>> the
                        >>> future of humanity.
                        >>>
                        >>> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                        >>> .........
                        >>> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                        >>> still
                        >>> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
                        >>> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                        >>> interest
                        >>> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                        >>> fantasies,
                        >>> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                        >>> group
                        >>> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                        >>> the
                        >>> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                        >>> discuss
                        >>> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                        >>> Dan's
                        >>> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
                        >>> she
                        >>> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                        >>> wife...oh,
                        >>> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                        >>> reconciliation,
                        >>> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                        >>> (Maybe
                        >>> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
                        >>> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                        >>> who
                        >>> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                        >>> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                        >>> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                        >>> project
                        >>> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
                        >>> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                        >>> difference
                        >>> it
                        >>> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
                        >>> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                        >>> explain further.
                        >>>
                        >>> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                        >>>
                        >>> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                        >>> appears
                        >>> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                        >>> in
                        >>> a
                        >>> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                        >>> once
                        >>> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                        >>> got
                        >>> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                        >>> business
                        >>> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                        >>> community
                        >>> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                        >>> the
                        >>> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                        >>> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                        >>> accused
                        >>> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                        >>>
                        >>> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
                        >>> as
                        >>> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                        >>> and
                        >>> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                        >>> sinker
                        >>> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
                        >>> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
                        >>> the
                        >>> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                        >>> to
                        >>> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                        >>> shied
                        >>> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                        >>> admitted
                        >>> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                        >>> the
                        >>> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                        >>> what
                        >>> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                        >>> that? Hmmmmmm......
                        >>>
                        >>> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                        >>> But
                        >>> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                        >>> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
                        >>> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                        >>> George
                        >>> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                        >>> when
                        >>> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                        >>> evidence
                        >>> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                        >>> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                        >>> balance
                        >>> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                        >>> "The
                        >>> tissue ain't the issue!"
                        >>>
                        >>> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                        >>> Doreen
                        >>> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                        >>> such
                        >>> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
                        >>> or
                        >>> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or
                        >>> 2
                        >>> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                        >>> could
                        >>> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
                        >>> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                        >>> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                        >>>
                        >>> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                        >>> changes
                        >>> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                        >>>
                        >>> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                        >>> Hey DonDep!!
                        >>>
                        >>> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                        >>> on
                        >>> an
                        >>> artifact dealing with time.
                        >>>
                        >>> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                        >>> work
                        >>> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                        >>>
                        >>> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
                        >>> what-so-ever.
                        >>>
                        >>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                        >>>
                        >>> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
                        >>> or
                        >>> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                        >>>
                        >>> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                        >>> you.
                        >>>
                        >>> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                        >>>
                        >>> Namaste
                        >>> Z
                        >>>
                        >>> Quoting: zacksavage
                        >>>
                        >>> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                        >>> original
                        >>> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                        >>> once
                        >>> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                        >>> there
                        >>> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                        >>> able
                        >>> to
                        >>> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                        >>> were
                        >>> all naive to it.
                        >>>
                        >>> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                        >>> black-ops
                        >>> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                        >>> Reason
                        >>> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
                        >>> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                        >>> via
                        >>> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
                        >>> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                        >>> them
                        >>> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
                        >>> we
                        >>> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                        >>> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                        >>> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                        >>> had',
                        >>> as
                        >>> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                        >>> use
                        >>> it?"
                        >>>
                        >>> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                        >>> black
                        >>> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                        >>> Moses;
                        >>> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                        >>> FBI
                        >>> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                        >>> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                        >>> merciful
                        >>> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                        >>> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                        >>> .......
                        >>> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                        >>> validation
                        >>> what-so-ever.
                        >>>
                        >>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                        >>>
                        >>> Therein lies the quandary!
                        >>>
                        >>> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                        >>> over
                        >>> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                        >>> couple
                        >>> of
                        >>> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                        >>> but
                        >>> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                        >>> always
                        >>> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                        >>>
                        >>> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                        >>> But,
                        >>> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                        >>> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
                        >>> the
                        >>> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                        >>> the
                        >>> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
                        >>> to
                        >>> be trapped in either when the time came.
                        >>>
                        >>> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                        >>> words.
                        >>> _________________
                        >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                        >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                        >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                        >>> #420
                        >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                        >>>
                        >>> Dondep
                        >>> Moderator
                        >>>
                        >>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                        >>> Posts: 255
                        >>> Location: Las Vegas
                        >>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                        >>> Ann
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                        >>>
                        >>> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                        >>> Dadmiral
                        >>> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                        >>> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                        >>> you
                        >>> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                        >>> you
                        >>> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
                        >>> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                        >>> us!
                        >>> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                        >>> Looking
                        >>> Glass showed.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                        >>>
                        >>> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                        >>> case
                        >>> we
                        >>> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                        >>> some
                        >>> time.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                        >>>
                        >>> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                        >>>
                        >>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                        >>> There
                        >>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                        >>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                        >>> with
                        >>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                        >>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                        >>> Back
                        >>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                        >>>
                        >>> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                        >>> of
                        >>> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                        >>> range.
                        >>> I
                        >>> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                        >>> thing.
                        >>> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                        >>> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                        >>>
                        >>> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                        >>>
                        >>> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                        >>> provisions
                        >>> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                        >>> way
                        >>> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                        >>> told
                        >>> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                        >>>
                        >>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                        >>> the
                        >>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                        >>>
                        >>> A: Dxx, silly!
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                        >>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                        >>> issues
                        >>> are apples and oranges to me.
                        >>>
                        >>> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying
                        >>> a
                        >>> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
                        >>> location?
                        >>>
                        >>> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
                        >>> us,
                        >>> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
                        >>> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                        >>>
                        >>> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                        >>> war
                        >>> quicker! (laughing)
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Not funny!
                        >>>
                        >>> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                        >>> either.
                        >>>
                        >>> J: Look Dan -
                        >>>
                        >>> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                        >>> I
                        >>> am
                        >>> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                        >>>
                        >>> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                        >>>
                        >>> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                        >>> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                        >>> have
                        >>> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
                        >>> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                        >>> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                        >>> withhold
                        >>> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                        >>>
                        >>> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                        >>> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                        >>>
                        >>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                        >>> glasses.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                        >>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                        >>>
                        >>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                        >>> that
                        >>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                        >>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                        >>> not
                        >>> the full story.
                        >>>
                        >>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                        >>> claims
                        >>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                        >>>
                        >>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Thank you!
                        >>>
                        >>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                        >>> Majestic
                        >>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                        >>>
                        >>> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                        >>> sure
                        >>> it will miss us?
                        >>>
                        >>> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                        >>>
                        >>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                        >>> glasses.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                        >>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                        >>>
                        >>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                        >>> that
                        >>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                        >>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                        >>> not
                        >>> the full story.
                        >>>
                        >>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                        >>> claims
                        >>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                        >>>
                        >>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                        >>>
                        >>> D: Thank you!
                        >>>
                        >>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                        >>> Majestic
                        >>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                        >>> _________________
                        >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                        >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                        >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                        >>> #420
                        >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                        >>>
                        >>> Back to top
                        >>>
                        >>> Dondep
                        >>> Moderator
                        >>>
                        >>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                        >>> Posts: 255
                        >>> Location: Las Vegas
                        >>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                        >>>
                        >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                        >>>
                        >>> Clarifications
                        >>>
                        >>> Dan wrote:
                        >>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                        >>> There
                        >>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                        >>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                        >>> with
                        >>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                        >>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                        >>> Back
                        >>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                        >>>
                        >>> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                        >>> to
                        >>> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                        >>> Hilton
                        >>> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                        >>> us
                        >>> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                        >>> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                        >>> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                        >>> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                        >>> and
                        >>> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                        >>> wrong
                        >>> moments.
                        >>>
                        >>> Ann wrote:
                        >>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                        >>> the
                        >>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                        >>>
                        >>> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                        >>>
                        >>> Dan wrote:
                        >>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                        >>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                        >>> issues
                        >>> are apples and oranges to me.
                        >>>
                        >>> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                        >>> Marci,
                        >>> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                        >>> laugh
                        >>> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                        >>> _________________
                        >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                        >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                        >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                        >>> #420
                        >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                      • Ted
                        Regan Most , in this fickle field are good guys but, with self serving motives. As for my show , it ran for over 11 yrs. and when I finished , there were
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                          Regan

                          Most , in this fickle field are good guys but, with self serving motives.
                          As for my show , it ran for over 11 yrs. and when I finished , there were
                          over a thousand interviews in the can and over 600 ran live . And if one,
                          thinks TV is easy, try doing it LIVE.
                          It wasn't the show that caused the burn out it was those that were
                          the so called investigators, or researchers, NOT.
                          Wanting to break the big case without doing the necessary leg work .
                          Taking others research and using it as their own.I could name a whole slew
                          of those characters but I won't. The field will have to do there own
                          weeding, not me.
                          My show ran in England around 96. That was when the now defunked ufo mag.
                          was making its rounds. NOT Graham Birdsawh Mag.
                          I think it was called UFO Reality, they're the ones distributing it to the
                          stations.
                          Regan , keep up the great questions, that should keep them hopping.
                          And if I can be of any help to you in the future , please don't hesitate to
                          send an email. One more thing , if I sound off again , feel free to keep
                          me in line..
                          Ted----- Original Message -----
                          From: <masanga@...>
                          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:15 PM
                          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                          > That was a magnificent and gracious apology, Ted. All is forgiven.
                          > I think you have shown yourself to be a big person and definitely one of
                          > the
                          > good guys. :-)
                          >
                          > If you ever get back to doing your show let me know and if it's
                          > accessible on the net I'll tune into it. (I live in Britain so it would
                          > be
                          > a bit difficult otherwise.)
                          >
                          > I'm sure you must have met all types of characters when you were
                          > doing your show and I can imagine that you could have got burn-out from it
                          > too.
                          >
                          > Regarding the Dan Burisch case, the evaluative work that I spoke of
                          > really concerns the wider implications of the case (mostly concerning the
                          > nature and character of the secret government) if we assume that Dan is
                          > telling the truth. To date the media seem to have focussed almost
                          > exclusively on the personalities involved in the case, with the result
                          > that
                          > there has just been more and more controversy surrounding it that has
                          > become
                          > quite bizarre and ridiculous in places. I can well believe that Bill has
                          > got burn-out from having to face and deal with so much obtuse, dishonest
                          > and
                          > frivolous nonsense continually - it would probably drive me to apoplexy!
                          > How much of it has been due to the secret government's deliberate
                          > confusion-sowing and how much has been due to the media's need to stir up
                          > conflict and controversy anyway in order to sell copy, I wouldn't want to
                          > guess. But I do think that the important questions which the case raises
                          > cannot be explored by following this popular path of personal judgement
                          > and
                          > credibility evaluation. To my mind it's getting overdue for us to focus
                          > on
                          > the impersonal aspects of the case now.
                          >
                          > I am hoping you are right in thinking that Dan might address some
                          > of
                          > these wider issues at his forthcoming conference, although if it is the
                          > same
                          > one that Bill referred to in an earlier post of his I would expect it to
                          > be
                          > dominated by questions of science. However I think we have enough raw
                          > data
                          > to go on already to be able to draw some significant conclusions.
                          >
                          > Sincere regards,
                          > Regan
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Ted
                          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:50 PM
                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                          >
                          >
                          > Regan,
                          > Thanks for that well thought out response. I guess I had it coming.
                          > As for it being caustic, maybe it was a bit over the top and for that I
                          > apologize.
                          > As you stated in your post, I know longer am doing my show. Maybe it's
                          > because of the same reason Bill has stepped back.
                          > That said, I still keep an ear to the net. I guess once you've walked
                          > the
                          > mile , it's hard to get the dust off.
                          > I have enjoyed your comments over the yrs, and have admired the way you
                          > put
                          > words to screen, then to hear you , seemingly to attack Bill, I fired back
                          > without thinking.
                          > Now that I no longer do the show, maybe I've gotten jaded a bit.
                          > Allot of what I see are individuals claiming to do the work needed to
                          > bring
                          > a good investigation , instead all they want is to speak at someone's
                          > conference, or to get their 15 minutes on the tube.
                          > There are others that I respect in this field that don't believe in Dan,
                          > as
                          > they think Dan's full of crap. I also defend them, as I've done for
                          > Bill.
                          > Good research is hard work and takes a long time , if you're going to get
                          > it
                          > right. Are there things left out , of course. They have also walked the
                          > so
                          > called mile in their investigation of Dan.
                          > So who do I believe, both , I guess.
                          > Only time will tell Or not.
                          > Finely , you were correct to call me out. Rightfully so.
                          > It is scheduled for Dan to be asked questioned at an up coming conference.
                          > Then maybe we'll get the questions you posed and maybe then we'll get the
                          > answers we all want.
                          > Ted
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: <masanga@...>
                          > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:24 AM
                          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                          >
                          >
                          >> Hi Ted,
                          >>
                          >> I see that you haven't lost any of your notable talent for making
                          >> caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your
                          >> aiming skill has got a bit rusty, I fear. You see, I never pretended to
                          >> be
                          >> an investigator of anything, not of UFOs and definitely not the Dan
                          >> Burisch
                          >> case, neither from my archmair nor in the field. So I'd like to know who
                          >> is
                          >> calling me one because whoever it is has not done their investigative
                          >> homework properly before making that derogatory judgement of me.
                          >>
                          >> But if my daring to discuss the Dan Burisch case at this forum
                          >> causes you to think that I am doing something illegitimate that entitles
                          >> you
                          >> to sneer at me in this desultory way, then I think you are grossly
                          >> mistaken. I am perfectly entitled to discuss this case and Bill's
                          >> investigation of it too. Although I think he has done valiant work in
                          >> investigating it and reporting the results in his book "Project
                          >> Aquarius",
                          >> his cannot be the only word on a case of this magnitude. We are all
                          >> entitled to a view, Ted, not just Bill and not just you. Besides that
                          >> there
                          >> is essential evaluative work on the case which has still not been done
                          >> and
                          >> until it is done by somebody there will be holes left in it, some of them
                          >> quite large. Don't criticise me for tackling these tasks which you have
                          >> done nothing to address.
                          >>
                          >> Regan
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> From: Ted
                          >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:10 AM
                          >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
                          >> investigator
                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
                          >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                          >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
                          >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>> Regan,
                          >>>
                          >>> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                          >>> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                          >>> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                          >>> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                          >>> Its just not there.
                          >>>
                          >>> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                          >>> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                          >>>
                          >>> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                          >>> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                          >>> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                          >>>
                          >>> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                          >>> UFO case, then be my guest.
                          >>>
                          >>> Bill
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> From: <masanga@...>
                          >>> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                          >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                          >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>> Bill,
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
                          >>>> in
                          >>>> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                          >>>> to
                          >>>> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                          >>>> providing
                          >>>> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                          >>>> lurid
                          >>>> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
                          >>>> come
                          >>>> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
                          >>>> far
                          >>>> we
                          >>>> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
                          >>>> requires
                          >>>> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                          >>>> will
                          >>>> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
                          >>>> in
                          >>>> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                          >>>> like
                          >>>> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                          >>>> Dan
                          >>>> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                          >>>> radical
                          >>>> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                          >>>> think
                          >>>> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                          >>>> out
                          >>>> of
                          >>>> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                          >>>> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
                          >>>> ufology
                          >>>> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                          >>>> of
                          >>>> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                          >>>> assessed
                          >>>> as
                          >>>> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                          >>>> message
                          >>>> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                          >>>> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                          >>>> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                          >>>> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                          >>>> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                          >>>> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                          >>>> be
                          >>>> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                          >>>> can
                          >>>> do
                          >>>> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                          >>>> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                          >>>> should
                          >>>> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                          >>>> under
                          >>>> the circumstances.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                          >>>> yourselves
                          >>>> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                          >>>> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                          >>>> Both
                          >>>> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                          >>>> free
                          >>>> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                          >>>> far
                          >>>> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
                          >>>> to
                          >>>> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                          >>>> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                          >>>> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                          >>>> and
                          >>>> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                          >>>> control
                          >>>> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
                          >>>> disinterested
                          >>>> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                          >>>> suspect
                          >>>> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                          >>>> "part
                          >>>> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                          >>>> and
                          >>>> a
                          >>>> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                          >>>> accordingly.
                          >>>> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                          >>>> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                          >>>> or
                          >>>> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                          >>>> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
                          >>>> reproach,
                          >>>> but
                          >>>> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                          >>>> contradictory.
                          >>>> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
                          >>>> you
                          >>>> and
                          >>>> general confusion in people's minds.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                          >>>> instant
                          >>>> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                          >>>> is
                          >>>> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                          >>>> think
                          >>>> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                          >>>> judgement
                          >>>> in
                          >>>> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                          >>>> But
                          >>>> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                          >>>> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                          >>>> things
                          >>>> to do.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Sincerely,
                          >>>> Regan
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>>> From: William Hamilton
                          >>>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                          >>>> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Dex,
                          >>>>
                          >>>> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                          >>>> on
                          >>>> these forums
                          >>>> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
                          >>>> The
                          >>>> Golden
                          >>>> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                          >>>> understood
                          >>>> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                          >>>> out
                          >>>> of
                          >>>> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Sincerely,
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Bill Hamilton
                          >>>> AstroScience Research
                          >>>> http://www.astrosciences.info
                          >>>> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                          >>>> incredible."
                          >>>> Fred Hoyle
                          >>>>
                          >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>>> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                          >>>> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                          >>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                          >>>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                          >>>> A=Ann
                          >>>> D=Dan B.
                          >>>> M=Marci
                          >>>> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                          >>>> --------------
                          >>>> Dxx=Dondep
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Dex
                          >>>> ******************************************************************
                          >>>> Cross posting:
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Dondep wrote:
                          >>>>
                          >>>> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                          >>>> feint,
                          >>>> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
                          >>>> of
                          >>>> how
                          >>>> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                          >>>> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                          >>>> response
                          >>>> to
                          >>>> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                          >>>> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                          >>>> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                          >>>> 18th
                          >>>> induction last year.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
                          >>>> from
                          >>>> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                          >>>> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                          >>>> oh
                          >>>> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                          >>>> 'religious
                          >>>> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                          >>>> which
                          >>>> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                          >>>> made
                          >>>> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
                          >>>> triangulate
                          >>>> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                          >>>> to
                          >>>> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                          >>>> would
                          >>>> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                          >>>> doctorate
                          >>>> is
                          >>>> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                          >>>> it
                          >>>> in
                          >>>> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                          >>>> something
                          >>>> REAL.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                          >>>> assassination
                          >>>> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
                          >>>> being
                          >>>> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                          >>>>
                          >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                          >>>> Vance at GLP wrote:
                          >>>>
                          >>>> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
                          >>>> US
                          >>>> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                          >>>> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                          >>>> was
                          >>>> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
                          >>>> opening
                          >>>> his
                          >>>> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
                          >>>> this
                          >>>> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                          >>>> any
                          >>>> of
                          >>>> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                          >>>> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                          >>>> exist,
                          >>>> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                          >>>> as
                          >>>> a
                          >>>> freebe disinfo tool.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
                          >>>> Have
                          >>>> you
                          >>>> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
                          >>>> I'd
                          >>>> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                          >>>> consider other claims he makes.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Quoting: Vance 302106
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                          >>>> free
                          >>>> to talk about at all...."
                          >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                          >>>>
                          >>>> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                          >>>> 'official'
                          >>>> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                          >>>> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                          >>>> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                          >>>>
                          >>>> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                          >>>> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                          >>>> reality,
                          >>>> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                          >>>> population of the world. ....."
                          >>>>
                          >>>> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
                          >>>> To
                          >>>> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                          >>>> April 13th, 2005:
                          >>>>
                          >>>> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                          >>>> of
                          >>>> a
                          >>>> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
                          >>>> Humanity",
                          >>>> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                          >>>> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
                          >>>> you
                          >>>> as
                          >>>> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                          >>>> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                          >>>> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
                          >>>> stipulated
                          >>>> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                          >>>> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                          >>>> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
                          >>>> by
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> issuing authority."
                          >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                          >>>>
                          >>>> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                          >>>> to
                          >>>> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                          >>>>
                          >>>> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                          >>>> lawyer,
                          >>>> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                          >>>> help
                          >>>> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                          >>>> they
                          >>>> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Todd wrote:
                          >>>> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                          >>>> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                          >>>> generated
                          >>>> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                          >>>> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                          >>>> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                          >>>> prove
                          >>>> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                          >>>> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                          >>>>
                          >>>> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                          >>>> use,
                          >>>> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
                          >>>> of
                          >>>> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                          >>>> him
                          >>>> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                          >>>> all
                          >>>> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                          >>>> Dan
                          >>>> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
                          >>>> he
                          >>>> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                          >>>> a
                          >>>> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
                          >>>> and
                          >>>> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                          >>>> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                          >>>> on
                          >>>> a
                          >>>> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
                          >>>> cigars,
                          >>>> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                          >>>> as
                          >>>> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                          >>>> that
                          >>>> happened.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                          >>>> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                          >>>> he'll
                          >>>> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                          >>>> day!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                          >>>> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                          >>>> when
                          >>>> in
                          >>>> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                          >>>> in
                          >>>> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                          >>>> had
                          >>>> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                          >>>> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                          >>>> them.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                          >>>> Hoi all,
                          >>>> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                          >>>> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                          >>>> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                          >>>> correct.
                          >>>> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                          >>>> 10%
                          >>>> is
                          >>>> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                          >>>> unknown.
                          >>>> JAn
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                          >>>>
                          >>>> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                          >>>> treehouse
                          >>>> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                          >>>> Oct
                          >>>> 2,
                          >>>> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                          >>>> blinded
                          >>>> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                          >>>> also
                          >>>> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
                          >>>> occasional
                          >>>> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                          >>>> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
                          >>>> bogus
                          >>>> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                          >>>> with
                          >>>> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                          >>>> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                          >>>> independent
                          >>>> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                          >>>> public
                          >>>> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                          >>>> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                          >>>> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> role of Dan.}
                          >>>>
                          >>>> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
                          >>>> least
                          >>>> 10%
                          >>>> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                          >>>> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                          >>>> Dick
                          >>>> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                          >>>> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                          >>>> thing,
                          >>>> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> future of humanity.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                          >>>> .........
                          >>>> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                          >>>> still
                          >>>> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
                          >>>> "October",
                          >>>> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                          >>>> interest
                          >>>> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                          >>>> fantasies,
                          >>>> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                          >>>> group
                          >>>> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                          >>>> discuss
                          >>>> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                          >>>> Dan's
                          >>>> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
                          >>>> what
                          >>>> she
                          >>>> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                          >>>> wife...oh,
                          >>>> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                          >>>> reconciliation,
                          >>>> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                          >>>> (Maybe
                          >>>> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
                          >>>> at
                          >>>> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                          >>>> who
                          >>>> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                          >>>> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                          >>>> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                          >>>> project
                          >>>> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
                          >>>> didn't
                          >>>> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                          >>>> difference
                          >>>> it
                          >>>> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
                          >>>> ridiculous---but
                          >>>> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                          >>>> explain further.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                          >>>> appears
                          >>>> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                          >>>> in
                          >>>> a
                          >>>> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                          >>>> once
                          >>>> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                          >>>> got
                          >>>> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                          >>>> business
                          >>>> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                          >>>> community
                          >>>> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                          >>>> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                          >>>> accused
                          >>>> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
                          >>>> question
                          >>>> as
                          >>>> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                          >>>> and
                          >>>> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                          >>>> sinker
                          >>>> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
                          >>>> Burisch
                          >>>> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
                          >>>> that
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                          >>>> to
                          >>>> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                          >>>> shied
                          >>>> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                          >>>> admitted
                          >>>> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                          >>>> what
                          >>>> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                          >>>> that? Hmmmmmm......
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                          >>>> But
                          >>>> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                          >>>> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
                          >>>> what
                          >>>> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                          >>>> George
                          >>>> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                          >>>> when
                          >>>> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                          >>>> evidence
                          >>>> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                          >>>> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                          >>>> balance
                          >>>> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                          >>>> "The
                          >>>> tissue ain't the issue!"
                          >>>>
                          >>>> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                          >>>> Doreen
                          >>>> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                          >>>> such
                          >>>> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
                          >>>> received,
                          >>>> or
                          >>>> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
                          >>>> or
                          >>>> 2
                          >>>> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                          >>>> could
                          >>>> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
                          >>>> their
                          >>>> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                          >>>> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                          >>>> changes
                          >>>> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                          >>>> Hey DonDep!!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                          >>>> on
                          >>>> an
                          >>>> artifact dealing with time.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                          >>>> work
                          >>>> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                          >>>> validation
                          >>>> what-so-ever.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
                          >>>> did
                          >>>> or
                          >>>> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                          >>>> you.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Namaste
                          >>>> Z
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Quoting: zacksavage
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                          >>>> original
                          >>>> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                          >>>> once
                          >>>> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                          >>>> there
                          >>>> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                          >>>> able
                          >>>> to
                          >>>> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                          >>>> were
                          >>>> all naive to it.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                          >>>> black-ops
                          >>>> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                          >>>> Reason
                          >>>> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
                          >>>> all
                          >>>> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                          >>>> via
                          >>>> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
                          >>>> have
                          >>>> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                          >>>> them
                          >>>> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
                          >>>> which
                          >>>> we
                          >>>> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                          >>>> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                          >>>> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                          >>>> had',
                          >>>> as
                          >>>> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                          >>>> use
                          >>>> it?"
                          >>>>
                          >>>> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                          >>>> black
                          >>>> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                          >>>> Moses;
                          >>>> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                          >>>> FBI
                          >>>> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                          >>>> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                          >>>> merciful
                          >>>> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                          >>>> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                          >>>> .......
                          >>>> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                          >>>> validation
                          >>>> what-so-ever.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Therein lies the quandary!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                          >>>> over
                          >>>> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                          >>>> couple
                          >>>> of
                          >>>> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                          >>>> but
                          >>>> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                          >>>> always
                          >>>> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                          >>>> But,
                          >>>> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                          >>>> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
                          >>>> City,
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
                          >>>> place
                          >>>> to
                          >>>> be trapped in either when the time came.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                          >>>> words.
                          >>>> _________________
                          >>>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                          >>>> Dondep or Dagwood
                          >>>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                          >>>> #420
                          >>>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Dondep
                          >>>> Moderator
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                          >>>> Posts: 255
                          >>>> Location: Las Vegas
                          >>>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                          >>>> Ann
                          >>>>
                          >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                          >>>> Dadmiral
                          >>>> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                          >>>> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                          >>>>
                          >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                          >>>> you
                          >>>> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                          >>>> you
                          >>>> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
                          >>>> Future
                          >>>> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                          >>>> us!
                          >>>> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                          >>>> Looking
                          >>>> Glass showed.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                          >>>> case
                          >>>> we
                          >>>> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                          >>>> some
                          >>>> time.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                          >>>> There
                          >>>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                          >>>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                          >>>> with
                          >>>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                          >>>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                          >>>> Back
                          >>>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                          >>>> of
                          >>>> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                          >>>> range.
                          >>>> I
                          >>>> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                          >>>> thing.
                          >>>> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                          >>>> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                          >>>> provisions
                          >>>> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                          >>>> way
                          >>>> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                          >>>> told
                          >>>> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> A: Dxx, silly!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                          >>>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                          >>>> issues
                          >>>> are apples and oranges to me.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
                          >>>> critical.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
                          >>>> readying
                          >>>> a
                          >>>> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
                          >>>> zero
                          >>>> location?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
                          >>>> hitting
                          >>>> us,
                          >>>> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
                          >>>> it
                          >>>> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                          >>>> war
                          >>>> quicker! (laughing)
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Not funny!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                          >>>> either.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: Look Dan -
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                          >>>> I
                          >>>> am
                          >>>> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                          >>>> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                          >>>> have
                          >>>> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
                          >>>> we
                          >>>> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                          >>>> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                          >>>> withhold
                          >>>> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                          >>>> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                          >>>> glasses.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                          >>>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                          >>>> that
                          >>>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                          >>>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                          >>>> not
                          >>>> the full story.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                          >>>> claims
                          >>>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                          >>>>
                          >>>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Thank you!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                          >>>> Majestic
                          >>>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                          >>>> sure
                          >>>> it will miss us?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                          >>>> glasses.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                          >>>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                          >>>> that
                          >>>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                          >>>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                          >>>> not
                          >>>> the full story.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                          >>>> claims
                          >>>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                          >>>>
                          >>>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> D: Thank you!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                          >>>> Majestic
                          >>>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                          >>>> _________________
                          >>>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                          >>>> Dondep or Dagwood
                          >>>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                          >>>> #420
                          >>>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
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                          >>>> Dondep
                          >>>> Moderator
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                          >>>> Posts: 255
                          >>>> Location: Las Vegas
                          >>>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                          >>>>
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                          >>>>
                          >>>> Clarifications
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Dan wrote:
                          >>>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                          >>>> There
                          >>>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                          >>>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                          >>>> with
                          >>>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                          >>>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                          >>>> Back
                          >>>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                          >>>> to
                          >>>> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                          >>>> Hilton
                          >>>> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                          >>>> us
                          >>>> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                          >>>> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                          >>>> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                          >>>> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                          >>>> and
                          >>>> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                          >>>> wrong
                          >>>> moments.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Ann wrote:
                          >>>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                          >>>> the
                          >>>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Dan wrote:
                          >>>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                          >>>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                          >>>> issues
                          >>>> are apples and oranges to me.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                          >>>> Marci,
                          >>>> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                          >>>> laugh
                          >>>> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                          >>>> _________________
                          >>>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                          >>>> Dondep or Dagwood
                          >>>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                          >>>> #420
                          >>>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
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