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Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?

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  • Dex
    Very valid statements Regan..and that was a good reply Bill. Until proof is allowed... Dex ... to ... providing ... lurid ... far ... will ... Dan ... radical
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      Very valid statements Regan..and that was a good reply Bill.
      Until proof is allowed...

      Dex


      > Regan,
      >
      > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
      > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
      > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
      > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
      > Its just not there.
      >
      > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
      > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
      >
      > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
      > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
      > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
      >
      > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
      > UFO case, then be my guest.
      >
      > Bill
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <masanga@...>
      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
      >
      >
      > > Bill,
      > >
      > > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
      > > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
      to
      > > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
      providing
      > > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
      lurid
      > > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
      > > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
      far
      > > we
      > > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
      > > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
      will
      > > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
      > > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
      > > like
      > > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
      Dan
      > > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
      > >
      > > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
      radical
      > > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
      > > think
      > > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
      out
      > > of
      > > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
      > > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
      > > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
      of
      > > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
      assessed
      > > as
      > > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
      message
      > > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
      > > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
      > > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
      > > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
      > > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
      > > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
      be
      > > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
      can
      > > do
      > > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
      > > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
      > > should
      > > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
      under
      > > the circumstances.
      > >
      > > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
      > > yourselves
      > > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
      > > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
      Both
      > > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
      > > free
      > > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
      far
      > > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
      > > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
      > > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
      > > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
      > > and
      > > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
      control
      > > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
      > > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
      > > suspect
      > > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
      > > "part
      > > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
      and
      > > a
      > > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
      > > accordingly.
      > > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
      > > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
      or
      > > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
      > > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
      reproach,
      > > but
      > > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
      > > contradictory.
      > > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
      you
      > > and
      > > general confusion in people's minds.
      > >
      > > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
      instant
      > > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
      is
      > > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
      think
      > > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
      judgement
      > > in
      > > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
      the
      > > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
      But
      > > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
      > > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
      things
      > > to do.
      > >
      > > Sincerely,
      > > Regan
      > >
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: William Hamilton
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
      > >
      > >
      > > Dex,
      > >
      > > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
      on
      > > these forums
      > > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
      > > Golden
      > > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
      > > understood
      > > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
      > > out
      > > of
      > > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
      > >
      > > Sincerely,
      > >
      > > Bill Hamilton
      > > AstroScience Research
      > > http://www.astrosciences.info
      > > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
      > > incredible."
      > > Fred Hoyle
      > >
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
      > > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
      > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
      > >
      > > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
      > > A=Ann
      > > D=Dan B.
      > > M=Marci
      > > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
      > > --------------
      > > Dxx=Dondep
      > >
      > > Dex
      > > ******************************************************************
      > > Cross posting:
      > >
      > > Dondep wrote:
      > >
      > > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
      > >
      > > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
      > > feint,
      > > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
      > >
      > > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
      of
      > > how
      > > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
      > > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
      response
      > > to
      > > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
      > >
      > > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
      > > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
      > > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
      > > 18th
      > > induction last year.
      > >
      > > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
      > > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
      > > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
      oh
      > > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
      > > 'religious
      > > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
      which
      > > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
      > > made
      > > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
      > > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
      to
      > > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
      > > would
      > > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
      doctorate
      > > is
      > > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
      it
      > > in
      > > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
      something
      > > REAL.
      > >
      > > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
      assassination
      > > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
      > > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
      > >
      > > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
      > >
      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > >
      > > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
      > > Vance at GLP wrote:
      > >
      > > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
      > > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
      > > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
      > > was
      > > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
      opening
      > > his
      > > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
      > >
      > > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
      > > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
      any
      > > of
      > > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
      > > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
      > > exist,
      > > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
      as
      > > a
      > > freebe disinfo tool.
      > >
      > > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
      Have
      > > you
      > > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
      > > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
      > > consider other claims he makes.
      > >
      > > Quoting: Vance 302106
      > >
      > > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
      free
      > > to talk about at all...."
      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      -------------------------
      > >
      > > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
      > > 'official'
      > > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
      > > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
      > > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
      > >
      > > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
      > > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
      > > reality,
      > > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
      > > population of the world. ....."
      > >
      > > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
      > > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
      > > April 13th, 2005:
      > >
      > > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
      of
      > > a
      > > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
      > > between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
      > > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
      you
      > > as
      > > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
      > > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
      > > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
      the
      > > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
      > > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
      > > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
      > > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
      by
      > > the
      > > issuing authority."
      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      ---------------------------
      > >
      > > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
      to
      > > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
      > >
      > > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
      lawyer,
      > > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
      > > help
      > > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
      > > they
      > > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
      > >
      > > Todd wrote:
      > > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
      > > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
      > > generated
      > > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
      > > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
      > > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
      prove
      > > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
      > > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
      > >
      > > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
      > >
      > > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
      use,
      > > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
      > > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
      > > him
      > > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
      > > all
      > > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
      Dan
      > > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
      > > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
      a
      > > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
      > > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
      > > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
      on
      > > a
      > > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
      > > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
      as
      > > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
      > > that
      > > happened.
      > >
      > > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
      > > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
      he'll
      > > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
      day!
      > >
      > > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
      > > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
      when
      > > in
      > > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
      in
      > > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
      > > had
      > > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
      > > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
      > > them.
      > >
      > > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
      > > Hoi all,
      > > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
      > > I�m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
      > > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
      correct.
      > > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
      10%
      > > is
      > > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that�s why I�m
      > > unknown.
      > > JAn
      > >
      > > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
      > >
      > > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
      > > treehouse
      > > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
      Oct
      > > 2,
      > > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
      > > blinded
      > > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
      > > also
      > > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
      > > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
      > > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
      > > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
      > > with
      > > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
      > > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
      > > independent
      > > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
      > > public
      > > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
      > > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
      > > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
      the
      > > role of Dan.}
      > >
      > > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
      least
      > > 10%
      > > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
      > > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
      > > Dick
      > > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
      the
      > > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
      > > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
      thing,
      > > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
      the
      > > future of humanity.
      > >
      > > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
      > > .........
      > > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
      still
      > > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
      > > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
      interest
      > > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
      > > fantasies,
      > > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
      group
      > > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
      the
      > > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
      discuss
      > > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
      Dan's
      > > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
      what
      > > she
      > > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
      wife...oh,
      > > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
      > > reconciliation,
      > > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
      (Maybe
      > > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
      > > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
      who
      > > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
      > > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
      > > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
      > > project
      > > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
      > > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
      difference
      > > it
      > > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
      > > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
      > > explain further.
      > >
      > > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
      > >
      > > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
      > > appears
      > > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
      in
      > > a
      > > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
      > > once
      > > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
      got
      > > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
      > > business
      > > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
      > > community
      > > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
      the
      > > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
      > > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
      > > accused
      > > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
      > >
      > > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
      question
      > > as
      > > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
      > > and
      > > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
      > > sinker
      > > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
      > > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
      that
      > > the
      > > information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
      to
      > > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
      > > shied
      > > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
      admitted
      > > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
      the
      > > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
      what
      > > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
      > > that? Hmmmmmm......
      > >
      > > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
      > > But
      > > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
      > > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
      > > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
      > > George
      > > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
      > > when
      > > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
      > > evidence
      > > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
      > > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
      balance
      > > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
      > > "The
      > > tissue ain't the issue!"
      > >
      > > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
      > > Doreen
      > > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
      > > such
      > > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
      received,
      > > or
      > > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
      or 2
      > > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
      > > could
      > > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
      > > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
      > > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
      > >
      > > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
      changes
      > > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
      > >
      > > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
      > > Hey DonDep!!
      > >
      > > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
      on
      > > an
      > > artifact dealing with time.
      > >
      > > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
      work
      > > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
      > >
      > > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
      > > what-so-ever.
      > >
      > > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
      > >
      > > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
      did
      > > or
      > > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
      > >
      > > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
      you.
      > >
      > > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
      > >
      > > Namaste
      > > Z
      > >
      > > Quoting: zacksavage
      > >
      > > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
      > > original
      > > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
      > > once
      > > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
      there
      > > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
      able
      > > to
      > > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
      were
      > > all naive to it.
      > >
      > > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
      > > black-ops
      > > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
      > > Reason
      > > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
      > > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
      > > via
      > > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
      > > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
      > > them
      > > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
      which
      > > we
      > > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
      > > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
      > > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
      had',
      > > as
      > > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
      use
      > > it?"
      > >
      > > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
      > > black
      > > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
      Moses;
      > > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
      > > FBI
      > > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
      > > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
      merciful
      > > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
      > > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
      > > .......
      > > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
      validation
      > > what-so-ever.
      > >
      > > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
      > >
      > > Therein lies the quandary!
      > >
      > > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
      over
      > > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
      couple
      > > of
      > > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
      > > but
      > > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
      always
      > > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
      > >
      > > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
      > > But,
      > > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
      > > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
      City,
      > > the
      > > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
      the
      > > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
      place
      > > to
      > > be trapped in either when the time came.
      > >
      > > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
      > > words.
      > > _________________
      > > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
      > > Dondep or Dagwood
      > > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
      > > #420
      > > Las Vegas, NV 89121
      > >
      > > Dondep
      > > Moderator
      > >
      > > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
      > > Posts: 255
      > > Location: Las Vegas
      > > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
      > > Ann
      > >
      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > >
      > > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
      > >
      > > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
      > > Dadmiral
      > > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
      > > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
      > >
      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > >
      > > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
      you
      > > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
      > > you
      > > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
      > > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
      us!
      > > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
      > > Looking
      > > Glass showed.
      > >
      > > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
      > >
      > > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
      case
      > > we
      > > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
      some
      > > time.
      > >
      > > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
      > >
      > > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
      > >
      > > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
      There
      > > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
      > > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
      with
      > > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
      > > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
      Back
      > > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
      > >
      > > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
      of
      > > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
      range.
      > > I
      > > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
      > >
      > > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
      thing.
      > > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
      > > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
      > >
      > > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
      > >
      > > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
      provisions
      > > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
      > > way
      > > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
      > > told
      > > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
      > >
      > > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
      the
      > > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
      > >
      > > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
      > >
      > > A: Dxx, silly!
      > >
      > > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
      > > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
      > > issues
      > > are apples and oranges to me.
      > >
      > > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
      > >
      > > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
      readying a
      > > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
      > > location?
      > >
      > > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
      > >
      > > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
      hitting
      > > us,
      > > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
      > > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
      > >
      > > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
      war
      > > quicker! (laughing)
      > >
      > > D: Not funny!
      > >
      > > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
      > > either.
      > >
      > > J: Look Dan -
      > >
      > > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
      I
      > > am
      > > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
      > >
      > > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
      > >
      > > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
      > > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
      have
      > > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
      > > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
      > > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
      withhold
      > > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
      > >
      > > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
      > > changed the course pushing us off T2.
      > >
      > > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
      > >
      > > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
      glasses.
      > >
      > > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
      > > choice but to announce what I've learned!
      > >
      > > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
      > >
      > > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
      > > that
      > > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
      > > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
      > > not
      > > the full story.
      > >
      > > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
      claims
      > > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
      > >
      > > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
      > >
      > > D: Thank you!
      > >
      > > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
      > > Majestic
      > > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
      > >
      > > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
      > >
      > > J: Not really, it will miss us.
      > >
      > > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
      sure
      > > it will miss us?
      > >
      > > J: The numbers say it will miss.
      > >
      > > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
      > >
      > > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
      glasses.
      > >
      > > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
      > > choice but to announce what I've learned!
      > >
      > > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
      > >
      > > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
      > > that
      > > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
      > > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
      > > not
      > > the full story.
      > >
      > > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
      claims
      > > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
      > >
      > > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
      > >
      > > D: Thank you!
      > >
      > > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
      > > Majestic
      > > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
      > > _________________
      > > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
      > > Dondep or Dagwood
      > > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
      > > #420
      > > Las Vegas, NV 89121
      > >
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      > >
      > > Dondep
      > > Moderator
      > >
      > > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
      > > Posts: 255
      > > Location: Las Vegas
      > > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
      > >
      > > ----------------------------------------------------------
      > >
      > > Clarifications
      > >
      > > Dan wrote:
      > > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
      There
      > > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
      > > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
      with
      > > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
      > > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
      Back
      > > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
      > >
      > > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
      to
      > > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
      > > Hilton
      > > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
      us
      > > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
      > > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
      > > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
      > > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
      > > and
      > > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
      wrong
      > > moments.
      > >
      > > Ann wrote:
      > > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
      the
      > > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
      > >
      > > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
      > >
      > > Dan wrote:
      > > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
      > > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
      > > issues
      > > are apples and oranges to me.
      > >
      > > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
      Marci,
      > > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
      > > laugh
      > > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
      > > _________________
      > > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
      > > Dondep or Dagwood
      > > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
      > > #420
      > > Las Vegas, NV 89121
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      Bill, I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem to me that
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        Bill,

        I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
        order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem to
        me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also providing
        hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and lurid
        kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
        through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far we
        have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
        that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they will
        accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
        this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we like
        it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you, Dan
        and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.

        I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's radical
        revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I think
        it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come out of
        his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
        background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
        would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import of
        his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are assessed as
        a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his message
        that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
        scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
        actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
        consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
        bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
        evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really be
        expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they can do
        with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
        fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you should
        not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do under
        the circumstances.

        It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed yourselves
        in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
        compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking. Both
        Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not free
        to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so far
        as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
        which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
        investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
        compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan and
        then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in control
        of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
        party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now suspect
        because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become "part
        of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer and a
        reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished accordingly.
        Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
        striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater or
        lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
        personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach, but
        your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat contradictory.
        Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you and
        general confusion in people's minds.

        They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an instant
        however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that is
        needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I think
        he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their judgement in
        the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in the
        future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that. But
        the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
        Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive things
        to do.

        Sincerely,
        Regan


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: William Hamilton
        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?


        Dex,

        A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted on
        these forums
        about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
        Golden
        Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
        understood
        Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade out
        of
        ufology for a while and do something more productive.

        Sincerely,

        Bill Hamilton
        AstroScience Research
        http://www.astrosciences.info
        "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem incredible."
        Fred Hoyle

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
        To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
        Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?

        See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
        A=Ann
        D=Dan B.
        M=Marci
        J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
        --------------
        Dxx=Dondep

        Dex
        ******************************************************************
        Cross posting:

        Dondep wrote:

        And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!

        I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a feint,
        a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.

        I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of how
        the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
        Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in response to
        some sort of saga-related stimuli.

        I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
        instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
        think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May 18th
        induction last year.

        Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
        Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
        author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse; oh
        lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the 'religious
        institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined, which
        is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references made
        over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
        what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything to
        do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he would
        do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn doctorate is
        going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate it in
        the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for something
        REAL.

        At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character assassination
        and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
        carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.

        I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":

        ----------------------------------------------------------

        Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
        Vance at GLP wrote:

        My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
        black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
        around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there was
        a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening his
        mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.

        I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
        simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did any of
        the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
        conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they exist,
        but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used as a
        freebe disinfo tool.

        What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have you
        ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
        like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
        consider other claims he makes.

        Quoting: Vance 302106

        Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be free
        to talk about at all...."
        ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------

        That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last 'official'
        lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
        complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
        enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):

        "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
        abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial reality,
        as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
        population of the world. ....."

        It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
        Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
        April 13th, 2005:

        "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations of a
        treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
        between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
        themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you as
        the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
        interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
        8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of the
        gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
        that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
        yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
        currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by the
        issuing authority."
        ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------

        The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link to
        www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".

        When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12 lawyer,
        Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to help
        promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as they
        would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.

        Todd wrote:
        He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
        McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have generated
        with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
        amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
        diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please prove
        any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
        books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.

        Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038

        AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to use,
        the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
        McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows him
        as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of all
        the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only Dan
        but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
        "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality a
        lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
        day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
        sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while on a
        teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
        which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in as
        temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before that
        happened.

        But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
        record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how he'll
        deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same day!

        As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
        admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over" when in
        fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan in
        front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already had
        to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
        community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for them.

        JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
        Hoi all,
        Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
        I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
        I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not correct.
        Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if 10% is
        correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
        unknown.
        JAn

        Quoting: JAnunknown 8300

        JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's treehouse
        Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on Oct 2,
        2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been blinded
        by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are also
        DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
        lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
        colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
        paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault with
        the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
        ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT, independent
        thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without public
        explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
        questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
        started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play the
        role of Dan.}

        The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least 10%
        lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
        isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of Dick
        Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of the
        military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
        signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one thing,
        but way too little of other things, things that are very important to the
        future of humanity.

        George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
        .........
        When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm still
        leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
        that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle interest
        in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their fantasies,
        maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion group
        somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about the
        email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to discuss
        the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be Dan's
        mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what she
        has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's wife...oh,
        and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent reconciliation,
        it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting. (Maybe
        someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
        this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend who
        is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
        Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
        researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV project
        but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
        know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what difference it
        should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
        that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
        explain further.

        Quoting: George Knapp 302174

        Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it appears
        the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit in a
        follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least once
        and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she got
        off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of business
        with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops community
        was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to the
        fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
        Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even accused
        her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!

        I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question as
        to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right, and
        believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and sinker
        for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
        'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that the
        information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered to
        me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was shied
        away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly admitted
        to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or the
        Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of what
        they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
        that? Hmmmmmm......

        Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex. But
        then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
        corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
        that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells George
        Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day when
        Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no evidence
        to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
        first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The balance
        of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE. "The
        tissue ain't the issue!"

        You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting; Doreen
        spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about such
        a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received, or
        the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or 2
        of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One could
        spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
        Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
        actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!

        Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth changes
        become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.

        Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
        Hey DonDep!!

        Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread on an
        artifact dealing with time.

        Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the work
        of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.

        Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
        what-so-ever.

        At least Dan puts his name behind his words.

        I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did or
        did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.

        Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with you.

        I hope you and Starry are doing well.

        Namaste
        Z

        Quoting: zacksavage

        Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the original
        travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that once
        permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were there
        during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be able to
        chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we were
        all naive to it.

        The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another black-ops
        trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again. Reason
        argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
        being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us, via
        the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
        been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by them
        by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which we
        then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
        Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
        conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he had', as
        if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he use
        it?"

        That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more black
        compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la Moses;
        then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable FBI
        team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
        seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and merciful
        God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
        America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
        .......
        "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
        what-so-ever.

        At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......

        Therein lies the quandary!

        As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff' over
        something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a couple of
        months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away but
        there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've always
        had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.

        Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR. But,
        we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
        having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City, the
        idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with the
        fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place to
        be trapped in either when the time came.

        "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind words.
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        Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
        Ann

        ----------------------------------------------------------

        Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007

        Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously Dadmiral
        is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
        calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:

        ----------------------------------------------------------

        J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which you
        have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what you
        said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
        visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit us!
        That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the Looking
        Glass showed.

        D: What? I thought that was lowered?

        J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in case we
        can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for some
        time.

        D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?

        J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?

        D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that. There
        is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
        believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak with
        him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
        talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant. Back
        to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?

        J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability of
        impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible range. I
        believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.

        D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved thing.
        This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
        subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?

        J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.

        M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of provisions
        was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the way
        of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't told
        of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?

        A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting the
        XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!

        D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?

        A: Dxx, silly!

        D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
        whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these issues
        are apples and oranges to me.

        J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.

        D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying a
        protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
        location?

        J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!

        D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting us,
        and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
        would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?

        J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the war
        quicker! (laughing)

        D: Not funny!

        M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
        either.

        J: Look Dan -

        D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get, I am
        going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)

        J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)

        D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
        understand that. I also understand that this is information I should have
        been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
        have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
        public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You withhold
        critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?

        A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
        changed the course pushing us off T2.

        D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?

        J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The glasses.

        D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
        choice but to announce what I've learned!

        J: How? Exactly what have you learned?

        D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility that
        Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
        media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was not
        the full story.

        J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic claims
        of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)

        M: What it will do, is tell the truth.

        D: Thank you!

        A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the Majestic
        hierarchy has been watching the situation.

        D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.

        J: Not really, it will miss us.

        D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are sure
        it will miss us?

        J: The numbers say it will miss.

        D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?

        J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The glasses.

        D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
        choice but to announce what I've learned!

        J: How? Exactly what have you learned?

        D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility that
        Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
        media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was not
        the full story.

        J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic claims
        of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)

        M: What it will do, is tell the truth.

        D: Thank you!

        A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the Majestic
        hierarchy has been watching the situation.
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        Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications

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        Clarifications

        Dan wrote:
        D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that. There
        is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
        believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak with
        him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
        talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant. Back
        to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?

        Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried to
        speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the Hilton
        you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call us
        back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
        thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
        The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
        exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard, and
        it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the wrong
        moments.

        Ann wrote:
        A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting the
        XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!

        Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!

        Dan wrote:
        D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
        whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these issues
        are apples and oranges to me.

        Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with Marci,
        Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to laugh
        out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
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      • William Hamilton
        Regan, I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan s, all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard evidence so you can
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          Regan,

          I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
          all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
          evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
          Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
          Its just not there.

          I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
          is about all one can do in a UFO case.

          Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
          video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
          jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.

          If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
          UFO case, then be my guest.

          Bill


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: <masanga@...>
          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
          Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


          > Bill,
          >
          > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
          > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem to
          > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also providing
          > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and lurid
          > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
          > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
          > we
          > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
          > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they will
          > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
          > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
          > like
          > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you, Dan
          > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
          >
          > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's radical
          > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
          > think
          > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come out
          > of
          > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
          > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
          > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import of
          > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are assessed
          > as
          > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his message
          > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
          > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
          > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
          > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
          > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
          > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really be
          > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they can
          > do
          > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
          > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
          > should
          > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do under
          > the circumstances.
          >
          > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
          > yourselves
          > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
          > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking. Both
          > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
          > free
          > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so far
          > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
          > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
          > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
          > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
          > and
          > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in control
          > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
          > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
          > suspect
          > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
          > "part
          > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer and
          > a
          > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
          > accordingly.
          > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
          > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater or
          > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
          > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
          > but
          > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
          > contradictory.
          > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
          > and
          > general confusion in people's minds.
          >
          > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an instant
          > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that is
          > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I think
          > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their judgement
          > in
          > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in the
          > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that. But
          > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
          > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive things
          > to do.
          >
          > Sincerely,
          > Regan
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: William Hamilton
          > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
          > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
          > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
          >
          >
          > Dex,
          >
          > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted on
          > these forums
          > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
          > Golden
          > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
          > understood
          > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
          > out
          > of
          > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
          >
          > Sincerely,
          >
          > Bill Hamilton
          > AstroScience Research
          > http://www.astrosciences.info
          > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
          > incredible."
          > Fred Hoyle
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
          > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
          >
          > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
          > A=Ann
          > D=Dan B.
          > M=Marci
          > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
          > --------------
          > Dxx=Dondep
          >
          > Dex
          > ******************************************************************
          > Cross posting:
          >
          > Dondep wrote:
          >
          > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
          >
          > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
          > feint,
          > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
          >
          > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
          > how
          > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
          > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in response
          > to
          > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
          >
          > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
          > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
          > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
          > 18th
          > induction last year.
          >
          > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
          > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
          > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse; oh
          > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
          > 'religious
          > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined, which
          > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
          > made
          > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
          > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything to
          > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
          > would
          > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn doctorate
          > is
          > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate it
          > in
          > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for something
          > REAL.
          >
          > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character assassination
          > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
          > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
          >
          > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
          >
          > ----------------------------------------------------------
          >
          > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
          > Vance at GLP wrote:
          >
          > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
          > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
          > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
          > was
          > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
          > his
          > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
          >
          > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
          > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did any
          > of
          > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
          > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
          > exist,
          > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used as
          > a
          > freebe disinfo tool.
          >
          > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
          > you
          > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
          > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
          > consider other claims he makes.
          >
          > Quoting: Vance 302106
          >
          > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be free
          > to talk about at all...."
          > ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
          >
          > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
          > 'official'
          > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
          > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
          > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
          >
          > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
          > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
          > reality,
          > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
          > population of the world. ....."
          >
          > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
          > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
          > April 13th, 2005:
          >
          > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations of
          > a
          > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
          > between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
          > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
          > as
          > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
          > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
          > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of the
          > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
          > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
          > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
          > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
          > the
          > issuing authority."
          > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
          >
          > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link to
          > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
          >
          > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12 lawyer,
          > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
          > help
          > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
          > they
          > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
          >
          > Todd wrote:
          > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
          > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
          > generated
          > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
          > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
          > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please prove
          > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
          > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
          >
          > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
          >
          > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to use,
          > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
          > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
          > him
          > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
          > all
          > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only Dan
          > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
          > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality a
          > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
          > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
          > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while on
          > a
          > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
          > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in as
          > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
          > that
          > happened.
          >
          > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
          > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how he'll
          > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same day!
          >
          > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
          > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over" when
          > in
          > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan in
          > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
          > had
          > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
          > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
          > them.
          >
          > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
          > Hoi all,
          > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
          > I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
          > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not correct.
          > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if 10%
          > is
          > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
          > unknown.
          > JAn
          >
          > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
          >
          > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
          > treehouse
          > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on Oct
          > 2,
          > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
          > blinded
          > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
          > also
          > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
          > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
          > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
          > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
          > with
          > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
          > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
          > independent
          > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
          > public
          > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
          > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
          > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play the
          > role of Dan.}
          >
          > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
          > 10%
          > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
          > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
          > Dick
          > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of the
          > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
          > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one thing,
          > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to the
          > future of humanity.
          >
          > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
          > .........
          > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm still
          > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
          > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle interest
          > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
          > fantasies,
          > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion group
          > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about the
          > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to discuss
          > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be Dan's
          > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
          > she
          > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's wife...oh,
          > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
          > reconciliation,
          > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting. (Maybe
          > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
          > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend who
          > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
          > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
          > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
          > project
          > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
          > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what difference
          > it
          > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
          > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
          > explain further.
          >
          > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
          >
          > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
          > appears
          > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit in
          > a
          > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
          > once
          > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she got
          > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
          > business
          > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
          > community
          > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to the
          > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
          > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
          > accused
          > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
          >
          > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
          > as
          > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
          > and
          > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
          > sinker
          > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
          > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
          > the
          > information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered to
          > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
          > shied
          > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly admitted
          > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or the
          > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of what
          > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
          > that? Hmmmmmm......
          >
          > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
          > But
          > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
          > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
          > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
          > George
          > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
          > when
          > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
          > evidence
          > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
          > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The balance
          > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
          > "The
          > tissue ain't the issue!"
          >
          > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
          > Doreen
          > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
          > such
          > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
          > or
          > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or 2
          > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
          > could
          > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
          > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
          > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
          >
          > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth changes
          > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
          >
          > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
          > Hey DonDep!!
          >
          > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread on
          > an
          > artifact dealing with time.
          >
          > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the work
          > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
          >
          > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
          > what-so-ever.
          >
          > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
          >
          > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
          > or
          > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
          >
          > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with you.
          >
          > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
          >
          > Namaste
          > Z
          >
          > Quoting: zacksavage
          >
          > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
          > original
          > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
          > once
          > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were there
          > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be able
          > to
          > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we were
          > all naive to it.
          >
          > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
          > black-ops
          > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
          > Reason
          > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
          > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
          > via
          > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
          > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
          > them
          > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
          > we
          > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
          > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
          > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he had',
          > as
          > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he use
          > it?"
          >
          > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
          > black
          > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la Moses;
          > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
          > FBI
          > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
          > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and merciful
          > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
          > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
          > .......
          > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
          > what-so-ever.
          >
          > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
          >
          > Therein lies the quandary!
          >
          > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff' over
          > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a couple
          > of
          > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
          > but
          > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've always
          > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
          >
          > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
          > But,
          > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
          > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
          > the
          > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with the
          > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
          > to
          > be trapped in either when the time came.
          >
          > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
          > words.
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          > Dondep
          > Moderator
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          > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
          > Ann
          >
          > ----------------------------------------------------------
          >
          > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
          >
          > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
          > Dadmiral
          > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
          > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
          >
          > ----------------------------------------------------------
          >
          > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which you
          > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
          > you
          > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
          > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit us!
          > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
          > Looking
          > Glass showed.
          >
          > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
          >
          > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in case
          > we
          > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for some
          > time.
          >
          > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
          >
          > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
          >
          > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that. There
          > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
          > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak with
          > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
          > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant. Back
          > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
          >
          > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability of
          > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible range.
          > I
          > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
          >
          > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved thing.
          > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
          > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
          >
          > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
          >
          > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of provisions
          > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
          > way
          > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
          > told
          > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
          >
          > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting the
          > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
          >
          > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
          >
          > A: Dxx, silly!
          >
          > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
          > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
          > issues
          > are apples and oranges to me.
          >
          > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
          >
          > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying a
          > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
          > location?
          >
          > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
          >
          > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
          > us,
          > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
          > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
          >
          > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the war
          > quicker! (laughing)
          >
          > D: Not funny!
          >
          > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
          > either.
          >
          > J: Look Dan -
          >
          > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get, I
          > am
          > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
          >
          > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
          >
          > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
          > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should have
          > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
          > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
          > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You withhold
          > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
          >
          > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
          > changed the course pushing us off T2.
          >
          > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
          >
          > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The glasses.
          >
          > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
          > choice but to announce what I've learned!
          >
          > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
          >
          > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
          > that
          > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
          > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
          > not
          > the full story.
          >
          > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic claims
          > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
          >
          > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
          >
          > D: Thank you!
          >
          > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
          > Majestic
          > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
          >
          > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
          >
          > J: Not really, it will miss us.
          >
          > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are sure
          > it will miss us?
          >
          > J: The numbers say it will miss.
          >
          > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
          >
          > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The glasses.
          >
          > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
          > choice but to announce what I've learned!
          >
          > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
          >
          > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
          > that
          > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
          > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
          > not
          > the full story.
          >
          > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic claims
          > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
          >
          > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
          >
          > D: Thank you!
          >
          > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
          > Majestic
          > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
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          > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
          >
          > ----------------------------------------------------------
          >
          > Clarifications
          >
          > Dan wrote:
          > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that. There
          > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
          > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak with
          > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
          > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant. Back
          > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
          >
          > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried to
          > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
          > Hilton
          > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call us
          > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
          > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
          > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
          > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
          > and
          > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the wrong
          > moments.
          >
          > Ann wrote:
          > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting the
          > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
          >
          > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
          >
          > Dan wrote:
          > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
          > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
          > issues
          > are apples and oranges to me.
          >
          > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with Marci,
          > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
          > laugh
          > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
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            investigator
            ----- Original Message -----
            From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


            > Regan,
            >
            > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
            > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
            > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
            > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
            > Its just not there.
            >
            > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
            > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
            >
            > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
            > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
            > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
            >
            > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
            > UFO case, then be my guest.
            >
            > Bill
            >
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: <masanga@...>
            > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
            > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
            >
            >
            >> Bill,
            >>
            >> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
            >> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
            >> to
            >> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also providing
            >> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and lurid
            >> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
            >> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
            >> we
            >> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
            >> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they will
            >> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
            >> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
            >> like
            >> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
            >> Dan
            >> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
            >>
            >> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's radical
            >> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
            >> think
            >> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come out
            >> of
            >> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
            >> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
            >> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import of
            >> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are assessed
            >> as
            >> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
            >> message
            >> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
            >> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
            >> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
            >> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
            >> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
            >> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
            >> be
            >> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they can
            >> do
            >> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
            >> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
            >> should
            >> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
            >> under
            >> the circumstances.
            >>
            >> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
            >> yourselves
            >> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
            >> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking. Both
            >> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
            >> free
            >> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
            >> far
            >> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
            >> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
            >> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
            >> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
            >> and
            >> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
            >> control
            >> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
            >> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
            >> suspect
            >> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
            >> "part
            >> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer and
            >> a
            >> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
            >> accordingly.
            >> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
            >> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
            >> or
            >> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
            >> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
            >> but
            >> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
            >> contradictory.
            >> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
            >> and
            >> general confusion in people's minds.
            >>
            >> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
            >> instant
            >> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that is
            >> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
            >> think
            >> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their judgement
            >> in
            >> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
            >> the
            >> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
            >> But
            >> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
            >> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
            >> things
            >> to do.
            >>
            >> Sincerely,
            >> Regan
            >>
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: William Hamilton
            >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
            >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
            >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
            >>
            >>
            >> Dex,
            >>
            >> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
            >> on
            >> these forums
            >> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
            >> Golden
            >> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
            >> understood
            >> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
            >> out
            >> of
            >> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
            >>
            >> Sincerely,
            >>
            >> Bill Hamilton
            >> AstroScience Research
            >> http://www.astrosciences.info
            >> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
            >> incredible."
            >> Fred Hoyle
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
            >> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
            >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
            >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
            >>
            >> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
            >> A=Ann
            >> D=Dan B.
            >> M=Marci
            >> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
            >> --------------
            >> Dxx=Dondep
            >>
            >> Dex
            >> ******************************************************************
            >> Cross posting:
            >>
            >> Dondep wrote:
            >>
            >> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
            >>
            >> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
            >> feint,
            >> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
            >>
            >> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
            >> how
            >> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
            >> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in response
            >> to
            >> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
            >>
            >> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
            >> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
            >> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
            >> 18th
            >> induction last year.
            >>
            >> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
            >> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
            >> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
            >> oh
            >> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
            >> 'religious
            >> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
            >> which
            >> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
            >> made
            >> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
            >> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
            >> to
            >> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
            >> would
            >> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn doctorate
            >> is
            >> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate it
            >> in
            >> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
            >> something
            >> REAL.
            >>
            >> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
            >> assassination
            >> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
            >> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
            >>
            >> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
            >>
            >> ----------------------------------------------------------
            >>
            >> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
            >> Vance at GLP wrote:
            >>
            >> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
            >> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
            >> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
            >> was
            >> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
            >> his
            >> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
            >>
            >> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
            >> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did any
            >> of
            >> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
            >> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
            >> exist,
            >> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
            >> as
            >> a
            >> freebe disinfo tool.
            >>
            >> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
            >> you
            >> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
            >> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
            >> consider other claims he makes.
            >>
            >> Quoting: Vance 302106
            >>
            >> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
            >> free
            >> to talk about at all...."
            >> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
            >>
            >> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
            >> 'official'
            >> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
            >> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
            >> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
            >>
            >> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
            >> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
            >> reality,
            >> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
            >> population of the world. ....."
            >>
            >> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
            >> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
            >> April 13th, 2005:
            >>
            >> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
            >> of
            >> a
            >> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
            >> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
            >> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
            >> as
            >> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
            >> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
            >> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
            >> the
            >> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
            >> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
            >> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
            >> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
            >> the
            >> issuing authority."
            >> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
            >>
            >> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link to
            >> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
            >>
            >> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12 lawyer,
            >> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
            >> help
            >> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
            >> they
            >> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
            >>
            >> Todd wrote:
            >> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
            >> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
            >> generated
            >> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
            >> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
            >> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
            >> prove
            >> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
            >> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
            >>
            >> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
            >>
            >> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to use,
            >> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
            >> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
            >> him
            >> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
            >> all
            >> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only Dan
            >> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
            >> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality a
            >> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
            >> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
            >> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
            >> on
            >> a
            >> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
            >> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in as
            >> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
            >> that
            >> happened.
            >>
            >> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
            >> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
            >> he'll
            >> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same day!
            >>
            >> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
            >> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over" when
            >> in
            >> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
            >> in
            >> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
            >> had
            >> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
            >> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
            >> them.
            >>
            >> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
            >> Hoi all,
            >> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
            >> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
            >> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
            >> correct.
            >> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if 10%
            >> is
            >> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
            >> unknown.
            >> JAn
            >>
            >> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
            >>
            >> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
            >> treehouse
            >> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on Oct
            >> 2,
            >> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
            >> blinded
            >> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
            >> also
            >> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
            >> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
            >> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
            >> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
            >> with
            >> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
            >> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
            >> independent
            >> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
            >> public
            >> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
            >> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
            >> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
            >> the
            >> role of Dan.}
            >>
            >> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
            >> 10%
            >> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
            >> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
            >> Dick
            >> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
            >> the
            >> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
            >> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one thing,
            >> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to the
            >> future of humanity.
            >>
            >> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
            >> .........
            >> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm still
            >> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
            >> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
            >> interest
            >> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
            >> fantasies,
            >> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
            >> group
            >> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about the
            >> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to discuss
            >> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be Dan's
            >> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
            >> she
            >> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's wife...oh,
            >> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
            >> reconciliation,
            >> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting. (Maybe
            >> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
            >> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
            >> who
            >> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
            >> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
            >> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
            >> project
            >> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
            >> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what difference
            >> it
            >> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
            >> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
            >> explain further.
            >>
            >> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
            >>
            >> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
            >> appears
            >> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
            >> in
            >> a
            >> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
            >> once
            >> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
            >> got
            >> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
            >> business
            >> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
            >> community
            >> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to the
            >> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
            >> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
            >> accused
            >> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
            >>
            >> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
            >> as
            >> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
            >> and
            >> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
            >> sinker
            >> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
            >> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
            >> the
            >> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
            >> to
            >> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
            >> shied
            >> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
            >> admitted
            >> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or the
            >> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of what
            >> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
            >> that? Hmmmmmm......
            >>
            >> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
            >> But
            >> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
            >> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
            >> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
            >> George
            >> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
            >> when
            >> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
            >> evidence
            >> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
            >> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
            >> balance
            >> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
            >> "The
            >> tissue ain't the issue!"
            >>
            >> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
            >> Doreen
            >> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
            >> such
            >> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
            >> or
            >> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or
            >> 2
            >> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
            >> could
            >> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
            >> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
            >> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
            >>
            >> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
            >> changes
            >> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
            >>
            >> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
            >> Hey DonDep!!
            >>
            >> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread on
            >> an
            >> artifact dealing with time.
            >>
            >> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
            >> work
            >> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
            >>
            >> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
            >> what-so-ever.
            >>
            >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
            >>
            >> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
            >> or
            >> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
            >>
            >> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
            >> you.
            >>
            >> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
            >>
            >> Namaste
            >> Z
            >>
            >> Quoting: zacksavage
            >>
            >> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
            >> original
            >> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
            >> once
            >> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
            >> there
            >> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be able
            >> to
            >> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
            >> were
            >> all naive to it.
            >>
            >> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
            >> black-ops
            >> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
            >> Reason
            >> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
            >> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
            >> via
            >> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
            >> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
            >> them
            >> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
            >> we
            >> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
            >> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
            >> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he had',
            >> as
            >> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
            >> use
            >> it?"
            >>
            >> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
            >> black
            >> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
            >> Moses;
            >> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
            >> FBI
            >> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
            >> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and merciful
            >> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
            >> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
            >> .......
            >> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
            >> what-so-ever.
            >>
            >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
            >>
            >> Therein lies the quandary!
            >>
            >> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff' over
            >> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a couple
            >> of
            >> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
            >> but
            >> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've always
            >> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
            >>
            >> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
            >> But,
            >> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
            >> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
            >> the
            >> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
            >> the
            >> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
            >> to
            >> be trapped in either when the time came.
            >>
            >> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
            >> words.
            >> _________________
            >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
            >> Dondep or Dagwood
            >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
            >> #420
            >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
            >>
            >> Dondep
            >> Moderator
            >>
            >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
            >> Posts: 255
            >> Location: Las Vegas
            >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
            >> Ann
            >>
            >> ----------------------------------------------------------
            >>
            >> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
            >>
            >> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
            >> Dadmiral
            >> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
            >> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
            >>
            >> ----------------------------------------------------------
            >>
            >> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
            >> you
            >> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
            >> you
            >> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
            >> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
            >> us!
            >> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
            >> Looking
            >> Glass showed.
            >>
            >> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
            >>
            >> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in case
            >> we
            >> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
            >> some
            >> time.
            >>
            >> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
            >>
            >> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
            >>
            >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
            >> There
            >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
            >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
            >> with
            >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
            >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
            >> Back
            >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
            >>
            >> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability of
            >> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
            >> range.
            >> I
            >> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
            >>
            >> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved thing.
            >> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
            >> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
            >>
            >> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
            >>
            >> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of provisions
            >> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
            >> way
            >> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
            >> told
            >> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
            >>
            >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
            >> the
            >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
            >>
            >> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
            >>
            >> A: Dxx, silly!
            >>
            >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
            >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
            >> issues
            >> are apples and oranges to me.
            >>
            >> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
            >>
            >> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying
            >> a
            >> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
            >> location?
            >>
            >> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
            >>
            >> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
            >> us,
            >> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
            >> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
            >>
            >> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the war
            >> quicker! (laughing)
            >>
            >> D: Not funny!
            >>
            >> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
            >> either.
            >>
            >> J: Look Dan -
            >>
            >> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get, I
            >> am
            >> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
            >>
            >> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
            >>
            >> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
            >> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should have
            >> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
            >> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
            >> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You withhold
            >> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
            >>
            >> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
            >> changed the course pushing us off T2.
            >>
            >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
            >>
            >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
            >> glasses.
            >>
            >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
            >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
            >>
            >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
            >>
            >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
            >> that
            >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
            >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
            >> not
            >> the full story.
            >>
            >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
            >> claims
            >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
            >>
            >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
            >>
            >> D: Thank you!
            >>
            >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
            >> Majestic
            >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
            >>
            >> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
            >>
            >> J: Not really, it will miss us.
            >>
            >> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
            >> sure
            >> it will miss us?
            >>
            >> J: The numbers say it will miss.
            >>
            >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
            >>
            >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
            >> glasses.
            >>
            >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
            >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
            >>
            >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
            >>
            >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
            >> that
            >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
            >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
            >> not
            >> the full story.
            >>
            >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
            >> claims
            >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
            >>
            >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
            >>
            >> D: Thank you!
            >>
            >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
            >> Majestic
            >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
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            >>
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            >>
            >> ----------------------------------------------------------
            >>
            >> Clarifications
            >>
            >> Dan wrote:
            >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
            >> There
            >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
            >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
            >> with
            >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
            >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
            >> Back
            >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
            >>
            >> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried to
            >> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
            >> Hilton
            >> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
            >> us
            >> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
            >> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
            >> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
            >> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
            >> and
            >> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
            >> wrong
            >> moments.
            >>
            >> Ann wrote:
            >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
            >> the
            >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
            >>
            >> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
            >>
            >> Dan wrote:
            >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
            >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
            >> issues
            >> are apples and oranges to me.
            >>
            >> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with Marci,
            >> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
            >> laugh
            >> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
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              Bill,

              I have been off-line for a while due to network problems and have
              only just got back on-line.

              You seem to have dismissed my points rather lightly. I hope you
              understand that I was not trying to criticise you; I was trying to point
              out the only solution that I could see to your expressed problem. Before
              replying, I think I should say that I do not see this issue as a private
              matter between ourselves but as a public one that implicates at least
              everyone in the UFO community and possibly everyone in the world.

              Bill: "I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's, all I
              can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard evidence so you
              can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative. Might as well as ask me
              for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens. Its just not there."

              Regan: Perhaps I misled you by referring to "hard" evidence. I meant it in
              the sense of its being physical and objective in the way that photographs,
              tissue samples, voice-recordings, etc. might be accepted as "hard" evidence
              in a court of law. I did not mean "hard" in the sense of its automatically
              compelling conviction (although that would help, of course). If I had meant
              it in that sense, I would not also have suggested that the evidence needs to
              be assessed as I did do.

              But let me get what you are saying straight, Bill. Are you telling
              me that, after years of intensive investigation of Dan and his alarming
              claims about on-going human-alien relationships, trade-deals and abductions
              regulated by secret treaties, manipulation of the earth's time-line,
              unstable stargates, an apocalyptic geophysical threat to the whole planet
              coming around 2012 and the discovery of a positive proto-virus with
              miraculous healing capabilities (which could, potentially, be diverted to
              use as a secret superweapon) and more, there is in fact NO physical,
              objective evidence (i.e. "hard" in the sense that I meant it) and there
              never will be? Because if you are, then I think I should remind you of the
              time a while back when you took Dex to task in this forum for "crying wolf"
              too often without having any real evidence to back up his alarming claims.
              Dan's radical claims are alarming to the point of being profoundly
              psychologically disturbing because they threaten to overturn people's
              established worldviews. He is speaking the stuff of which people's worst
              nightmares are
              made. He has cried "WOLF!" at 300 decibels. So where is the evidence for
              the wolf? I think people will feel entitled to see it, or else to write Dan
              and his confederates off as the noisome, troublesome, time-wasting practical
              jokers that they will have demonstrated themselves to be. That is the
              predictable public reaction. It would not be my reaction, but all this is
              not about me. It is about you and Dan and your troubled relationship with
              the public. As I said, this is not a private matter.


              Bill: "I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which is
              about all one can do in a UFO case."

              Regan: This is not a typical UFO case and in principle there is more that
              you and/or Dan could do by way of providing substantial evidence to support
              at least some of his claims (in the absence of a legal prohibition from
              higher authority). For example, take Dan's alleged discovery of the Ganesh
              particle. What is to stop you from publishing a set of replicable scientific
              experiments which other scientists could do to verify its existence? The
              U.S. military/secret-government/whatever would not be able to claim
              intellectual ownership without exposing itself and Dan might even end up
              with a nobel prize and get the undivided attention of Congress on his case.
              Admittedly it would be much harder to provide direct evidence for the
              existence of the J-Rod (such as a signed photograph and a DVD for all his
              fans and well-wishers), but again an indirect method might be possible. For
              instance, Dan claims to have studied the J-Rod's DNA. Perhaps it would be
              possible for a gene-lab, acting on instructions supplied by Dan, to mutate a
              suitable terrestrially occuring cell into a J-Rod analogue and then to
              compare the behaviour and properties of that cell with those described by
              Dan as occurring in the J-Rod original. Similar indirect tests might be
              possible in regard to his other claims too. One has to be inventive about
              it of course, but "nothing ventured, nothing gained" as the saying goes.
              Anyway, I really think you should consider all possible alternatives before
              giving up, Bill, because the consequences of your doing that are awful to
              contemplate for you both - and for the world if Dan's claims are true.


              Bill: "Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
              video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one jot of it is
              accepted. I am even skeptical."

              Regan: You are making my point for me, Bill. Meier has at least provided
              some putative physical evidence for his claims that is subject to critical
              examination and testing. To date, Dan has supplied little or none. It may
              not be his
              fault that he has been unable to supply it but the public will not care
              about that when they make their judgement of him. If Dan does not produce
              any testable evidence at all to back up his claims, they will give more
              credence to Meier's hub cap-like photos than they will to Dan's
              unsubstantiated claims.


              Bill: "If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a UFO
              case, then be my guest."

              Regan: I hardly think this is about anyone's ability to provide hard
              evidence for just any old UFO-case, Bill. It is about the lack of any
              substantial evidence for one case in particular, which is not even a simple
              UFO-case anyway but is a complex case involving longstanding secret
              relationships between human and ET societies and of which UFOs are a minor
              feature. The difficulties of proving it are correspondingly immense. I was
              trying to offer help to you who are caught in this exceptionally difficult
              situation. The case has serious implications for terrestrial politics which
              I think only the most irresponsible-minded of people would feel that they
              can safely ignore - if Dan's claims are true. And if they are not true, he
              will be responsible for having disturbed and distressed a lot of people to
              no purpose. So the question of whether or not they are true is an important
              one which the public who he has aroused really does need to be able to
              decide. How can they decide it if not by the consideration of evidence?

              Regan


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: William Hamilton
              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 PM
              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


              Regan,

              I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
              all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
              evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
              Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
              Its just not there.

              I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
              is about all one can do in a UFO case.

              Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
              video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
              jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.

              If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
              UFO case, then be my guest.

              Bill


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: <masanga@...>
              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
              Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


              > Bill,
              >
              > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
              > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem to
              > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also providing
              > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and lurid
              > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
              > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
              > we
              > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
              > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they will
              > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
              > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
              > like
              > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you, Dan
              > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
              >
              > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's radical
              > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
              > think
              > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come out
              > of
              > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
              > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
              > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import of
              > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are assessed
              > as
              > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his message
              > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
              > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
              > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
              > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
              > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
              > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really be
              > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they can
              > do
              > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
              > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
              > should
              > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do under
              > the circumstances.
              >
              > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
              > yourselves
              > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
              > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking. Both
              > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
              > free
              > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so far
              > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
              > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
              > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
              > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
              > and
              > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in control
              > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
              > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
              > suspect
              > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
              > "part
              > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer and
              > a
              > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
              > accordingly.
              > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
              > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater or
              > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
              > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
              > but
              > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
              > contradictory.
              > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
              > and
              > general confusion in people's minds.
              >
              > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an instant
              > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that is
              > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I think
              > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their judgement
              > in
              > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in the
              > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that. But
              > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
              > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive things
              > to do.
              >
              > Sincerely,
              > Regan
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: William Hamilton
              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
              > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
              >
              >
              > Dex,
              >
              > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted on
              > these forums
              > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
              > Golden
              > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
              > understood
              > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
              > out
              > of
              > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
              >
              > Sincerely,
              >
              > Bill Hamilton
              > AstroScience Research
              > http://www.astrosciences.info
              > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
              > incredible."
              > Fred Hoyle
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
              > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
              > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
              >
              > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
              > A=Ann
              > D=Dan B.
              > M=Marci
              > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
              > --------------
              > Dxx=Dondep
              >
              > Dex
              > ******************************************************************
              > Cross posting:
              >
              > Dondep wrote:
              >
              > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
              >
              > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
              > feint,
              > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
              >
              > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
              > how
              > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
              > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in response
              > to
              > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
              >
              > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
              > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
              > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
              > 18th
              > induction last year.
              >
              > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
              > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
              > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse; oh
              > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
              > 'religious
              > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined, which
              > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
              > made
              > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
              > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything to
              > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
              > would
              > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn doctorate
              > is
              > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate it
              > in
              > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for something
              > REAL.
              >
              > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character assassination
              > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
              > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
              >
              > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
              >
              > ----------------------------------------------------------
              >
              > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
              > Vance at GLP wrote:
              >
              > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
              > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
              > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
              > was
              > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
              > his
              > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
              >
              > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
              > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did any
              > of
              > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
              > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
              > exist,
              > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used as
              > a
              > freebe disinfo tool.
              >
              > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
              > you
              > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
              > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
              > consider other claims he makes.
              >
              > Quoting: Vance 302106
              >
              > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be free
              > to talk about at all...."
              > ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
              >
              > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
              > 'official'
              > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
              > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
              > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
              >
              > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
              > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
              > reality,
              > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
              > population of the world. ....."
              >
              > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
              > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
              > April 13th, 2005:
              >
              > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations of
              > a
              > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
              > between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
              > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
              > as
              > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
              > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
              > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of the
              > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
              > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
              > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
              > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
              > the
              > issuing authority."
              > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
              >
              > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link to
              > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
              >
              > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12 lawyer,
              > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
              > help
              > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
              > they
              > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
              >
              > Todd wrote:
              > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
              > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
              > generated
              > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
              > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
              > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please prove
              > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
              > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
              >
              > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
              >
              > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to use,
              > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
              > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
              > him
              > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
              > all
              > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only Dan
              > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
              > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality a
              > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
              > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
              > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while on
              > a
              > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
              > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in as
              > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
              > that
              > happened.
              >
              > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
              > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how he'll
              > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same day!
              >
              > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
              > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over" when
              > in
              > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan in
              > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
              > had
              > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
              > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
              > them.
              >
              > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
              > Hoi all,
              > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
              > I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
              > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not correct.
              > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if 10%
              > is
              > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
              > unknown.
              > JAn
              >
              > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
              >
              > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
              > treehouse
              > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on Oct
              > 2,
              > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
              > blinded
              > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
              > also
              > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
              > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
              > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
              > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
              > with
              > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
              > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
              > independent
              > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
              > public
              > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
              > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
              > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play the
              > role of Dan.}
              >
              > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
              > 10%
              > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
              > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
              > Dick
              > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of the
              > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
              > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one thing,
              > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to the
              > future of humanity.
              >
              > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
              > .........
              > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm still
              > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
              > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle interest
              > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
              > fantasies,
              > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion group
              > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about the
              > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to discuss
              > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be Dan's
              > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
              > she
              > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's wife...oh,
              > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
              > reconciliation,
              > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting. (Maybe
              > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
              > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend who
              > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
              > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
              > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
              > project
              > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
              > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what difference
              > it
              > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
              > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
              > explain further.
              >
              > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
              >
              > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
              > appears
              > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit in
              > a
              > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
              > once
              > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she got
              > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
              > business
              > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
              > community
              > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to the
              > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
              > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
              > accused
              > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
              >
              > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
              > as
              > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
              > and
              > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
              > sinker
              > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
              > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
              > the
              > information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered to
              > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
              > shied
              > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly admitted
              > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or the
              > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of what
              > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
              > that? Hmmmmmm......
              >
              > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
              > But
              > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
              > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
              > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
              > George
              > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
              > when
              > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
              > evidence
              > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
              > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The balance
              > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
              > "The
              > tissue ain't the issue!"
              >
              > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
              > Doreen
              > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
              > such
              > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
              > or
              > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or 2
              > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
              > could
              > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
              > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
              > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
              >
              > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth changes
              > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
              >
              > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
              > Hey DonDep!!
              >
              > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread on
              > an
              > artifact dealing with time.
              >
              > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the work
              > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
              >
              > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
              > what-so-ever.
              >
              > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
              >
              > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
              > or
              > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
              >
              > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with you.
              >
              > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
              >
              > Namaste
              > Z
              >
              > Quoting: zacksavage
              >
              > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
              > original
              > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
              > once
              > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were there
              > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be able
              > to
              > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we were
              > all naive to it.
              >
              > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
              > black-ops
              > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
              > Reason
              > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
              > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
              > via
              > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
              > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
              > them
              > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
              > we
              > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
              > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
              > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he had',
              > as
              > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he use
              > it?"
              >
              > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
              > black
              > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la Moses;
              > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
              > FBI
              > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
              > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and merciful
              > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
              > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
              > .......
              > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
              > what-so-ever.
              >
              > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
              >
              > Therein lies the quandary!
              >
              > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff' over
              > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a couple
              > of
              > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
              > but
              > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've always
              > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
              >
              > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
              > But,
              > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
              > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
              > the
              > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with the
              > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
              > to
              > be trapped in either when the time came.
              >
              > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
              > words.
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              > Dondep
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              > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
              > Ann
              >
              > ----------------------------------------------------------
              >
              > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
              >
              > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
              > Dadmiral
              > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
              > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
              >
              > ----------------------------------------------------------
              >
              > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which you
              > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
              > you
              > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
              > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit us!
              > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
              > Looking
              > Glass showed.
              >
              > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
              >
              > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in case
              > we
              > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for some
              > time.
              >
              > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
              >
              > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
              >
              > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that. There
              > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
              > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak with
              > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
              > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant. Back
              > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
              >
              > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability of
              > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible range.
              > I
              > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
              >
              > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved thing.
              > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
              > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
              >
              > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
              >
              > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of provisions
              > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
              > way
              > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
              > told
              > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
              >
              > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting the
              > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
              >
              > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
              >
              > A: Dxx, silly!
              >
              > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
              > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
              > issues
              > are apples and oranges to me.
              >
              > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
              >
              > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying a
              > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
              > location?
              >
              > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
              >
              > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
              > us,
              > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
              > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
              >
              > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the war
              > quicker! (laughing)
              >
              > D: Not funny!
              >
              > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
              > either.
              >
              > J: Look Dan -
              >
              > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get, I
              > am
              > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
              >
              > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
              >
              > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
              > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should have
              > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
              > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
              > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You withhold
              > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
              >
              > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
              > changed the course pushing us off T2.
              >
              > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
              >
              > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The glasses.
              >
              > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
              > choice but to announce what I've learned!
              >
              > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
              >
              > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
              > that
              > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
              > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
              > not
              > the full story.
              >
              > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic claims
              > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
              >
              > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
              >
              > D: Thank you!
              >
              > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
              > Majestic
              > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
              >
              > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
              >
              > J: Not really, it will miss us.
              >
              > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are sure
              > it will miss us?
              >
              > J: The numbers say it will miss.
              >
              > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
              >
              > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The glasses.
              >
              > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
              > choice but to announce what I've learned!
              >
              > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
              >
              > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
              > that
              > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
              > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
              > not
              > the full story.
              >
              > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic claims
              > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
              >
              > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
              >
              > D: Thank you!
              >
              > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
              > Majestic
              > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
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              > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
              >
              > ----------------------------------------------------------
              >
              > Clarifications
              >
              > Dan wrote:
              > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that. There
              > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
              > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak with
              > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
              > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant. Back
              > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
              >
              > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried to
              > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
              > Hilton
              > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call us
              > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
              > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
              > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
              > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
              > and
              > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the wrong
              > moments.
              >
              > Ann wrote:
              > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting the
              > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
              >
              > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
              >
              > Dan wrote:
              > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
              > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
              > issues
              > are apples and oranges to me.
              >
              > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with Marci,
              > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
              > laugh
              > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
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            • masanga@talktalk.net
              Dex, If Dan is not allowed by his bosses to present the proofs that are needed to back up his claims, then his position seems pretty dire to me because it
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                Dex,

                If Dan is not allowed by his bosses to present the proofs that are
                needed to back up his claims, then his position seems pretty dire to me
                because it means they will have hung him out to dry. I am now wondering
                whether Bill has realised this and it is the real reason for his slinking
                away from the field of battle in order to "do something more productive"
                elsewhere. I cannot believe that the real reason for it is his disgust at
                the insignificant ravings of the mindless rabble that infest a few web-sites
                as his explanation here suggests.

                Regan


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Dex
                To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:58 PM
                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                Very valid statements Regan..and that was a good reply Bill.
                Until proof is allowed...

                Dex


                > Regan,
                >
                > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                > Its just not there.
                >
                > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                >
                > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                >
                > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                > UFO case, then be my guest.
                >
                > Bill
                >
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: <masanga@...>
                > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                >
                >
                > > Bill,
                > >
                > > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
                > > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                to
                > > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                providing
                > > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                lurid
                > > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
                > > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
                far
                > > we
                > > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
                > > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                will
                > > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
                > > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                > > like
                > > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                Dan
                > > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                > >
                > > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                radical
                > > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                > > think
                > > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                out
                > > of
                > > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                > > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
                > > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                of
                > > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                assessed
                > > as
                > > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                message
                > > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                > > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                > > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                > > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                > > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                > > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                be
                > > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                can
                > > do
                > > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                > > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                > > should
                > > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                under
                > > the circumstances.
                > >
                > > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                > > yourselves
                > > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                > > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                Both
                > > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                > > free
                > > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                far
                > > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
                > > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                > > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                > > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                > > and
                > > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                control
                > > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
                > > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                > > suspect
                > > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                > > "part
                > > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                and
                > > a
                > > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                > > accordingly.
                > > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                > > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                or
                > > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                > > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
                reproach,
                > > but
                > > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                > > contradictory.
                > > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
                you
                > > and
                > > general confusion in people's minds.
                > >
                > > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                instant
                > > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                is
                > > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                think
                > > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                judgement
                > > in
                > > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                the
                > > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                But
                > > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                > > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                things
                > > to do.
                > >
                > > Sincerely,
                > > Regan
                > >
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: William Hamilton
                > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                > >
                > >
                > > Dex,
                > >
                > > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                on
                > > these forums
                > > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
                > > Golden
                > > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                > > understood
                > > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                > > out
                > > of
                > > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                > >
                > > Sincerely,
                > >
                > > Bill Hamilton
                > > AstroScience Research
                > > http://www.astrosciences.info
                > > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                > > incredible."
                > > Fred Hoyle
                > >
                > > ----- Original Message -----
                > > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                > > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                > > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                > >
                > > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                > > A=Ann
                > > D=Dan B.
                > > M=Marci
                > > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                > > --------------
                > > Dxx=Dondep
                > >
                > > Dex
                > > ******************************************************************
                > > Cross posting:
                > >
                > > Dondep wrote:
                > >
                > > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                > >
                > > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                > > feint,
                > > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                > >
                > > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
                of
                > > how
                > > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                > > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                response
                > > to
                > > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                > >
                > > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                > > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                > > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                > > 18th
                > > induction last year.
                > >
                > > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
                > > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                > > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                oh
                > > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                > > 'religious
                > > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                which
                > > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                > > made
                > > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
                > > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                to
                > > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                > > would
                > > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                doctorate
                > > is
                > > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                it
                > > in
                > > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                something
                > > REAL.
                > >
                > > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                assassination
                > > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
                > > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                > >
                > > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                > >
                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                > >
                > > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                > > Vance at GLP wrote:
                > >
                > > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
                > > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                > > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                > > was
                > > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
                opening
                > > his
                > > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                > >
                > > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
                > > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                any
                > > of
                > > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                > > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                > > exist,
                > > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                as
                > > a
                > > freebe disinfo tool.
                > >
                > > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
                Have
                > > you
                > > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
                > > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                > > consider other claims he makes.
                > >
                > > Quoting: Vance 302106
                > >
                > > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                free
                > > to talk about at all...."
                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                -------------------------
                > >
                > > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                > > 'official'
                > > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                > > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                > > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                > >
                > > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                > > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                > > reality,
                > > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                > > population of the world. ....."
                > >
                > > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
                > > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                > > April 13th, 2005:
                > >
                > > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                of
                > > a
                > > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
                > > between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                > > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
                you
                > > as
                > > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                > > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                > > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                the
                > > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
                > > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                > > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                > > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
                by
                > > the
                > > issuing authority."
                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                ---------------------------
                > >
                > > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                to
                > > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                > >
                > > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                lawyer,
                > > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                > > help
                > > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                > > they
                > > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                > >
                > > Todd wrote:
                > > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                > > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                > > generated
                > > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                > > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                > > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                prove
                > > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                > > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                > >
                > > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                > >
                > > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                use,
                > > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
                > > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                > > him
                > > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                > > all
                > > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                Dan
                > > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
                > > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                a
                > > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
                > > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                > > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                on
                > > a
                > > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
                > > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                as
                > > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                > > that
                > > happened.
                > >
                > > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                > > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                he'll
                > > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                day!
                > >
                > > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                > > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                when
                > > in
                > > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                in
                > > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                > > had
                > > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                > > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                > > them.
                > >
                > > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                > > Hoi all,
                > > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                > > I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                > > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                correct.
                > > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                10%
                > > is
                > > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                > > unknown.
                > > JAn
                > >
                > > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                > >
                > > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                > > treehouse
                > > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                Oct
                > > 2,
                > > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                > > blinded
                > > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                > > also
                > > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
                > > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                > > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
                > > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                > > with
                > > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                > > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                > > independent
                > > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                > > public
                > > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                > > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                > > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                the
                > > role of Dan.}
                > >
                > > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
                least
                > > 10%
                > > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                > > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                > > Dick
                > > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                the
                > > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                > > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                thing,
                > > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                the
                > > future of humanity.
                > >
                > > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                > > .........
                > > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                still
                > > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
                > > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                interest
                > > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                > > fantasies,
                > > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                group
                > > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                the
                > > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                discuss
                > > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                Dan's
                > > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
                what
                > > she
                > > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                wife...oh,
                > > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                > > reconciliation,
                > > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                (Maybe
                > > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
                > > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                who
                > > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                > > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                > > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                > > project
                > > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
                > > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                difference
                > > it
                > > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
                > > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                > > explain further.
                > >
                > > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                > >
                > > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                > > appears
                > > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                in
                > > a
                > > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                > > once
                > > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                got
                > > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                > > business
                > > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                > > community
                > > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                the
                > > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                > > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                > > accused
                > > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                > >
                > > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
                question
                > > as
                > > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                > > and
                > > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                > > sinker
                > > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
                > > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
                that
                > > the
                > > information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                to
                > > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                > > shied
                > > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                admitted
                > > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                the
                > > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                what
                > > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                > > that? Hmmmmmm......
                > >
                > > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                > > But
                > > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                > > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
                > > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                > > George
                > > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                > > when
                > > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                > > evidence
                > > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                > > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                balance
                > > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                > > "The
                > > tissue ain't the issue!"
                > >
                > > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                > > Doreen
                > > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                > > such
                > > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
                received,
                > > or
                > > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
                or 2
                > > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                > > could
                > > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
                > > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                > > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                > >
                > > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                changes
                > > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                > >
                > > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                > > Hey DonDep!!
                > >
                > > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                on
                > > an
                > > artifact dealing with time.
                > >
                > > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                work
                > > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                > >
                > > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
                > > what-so-ever.
                > >
                > > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                > >
                > > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
                did
                > > or
                > > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                > >
                > > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                you.
                > >
                > > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                > >
                > > Namaste
                > > Z
                > >
                > > Quoting: zacksavage
                > >
                > > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                > > original
                > > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                > > once
                > > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                there
                > > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                able
                > > to
                > > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                were
                > > all naive to it.
                > >
                > > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                > > black-ops
                > > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                > > Reason
                > > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
                > > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                > > via
                > > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
                > > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                > > them
                > > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
                which
                > > we
                > > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                > > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                > > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                had',
                > > as
                > > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                use
                > > it?"
                > >
                > > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                > > black
                > > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                Moses;
                > > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                > > FBI
                > > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                > > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                merciful
                > > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                > > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                > > .......
                > > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                validation
                > > what-so-ever.
                > >
                > > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                > >
                > > Therein lies the quandary!
                > >
                > > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                over
                > > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                couple
                > > of
                > > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                > > but
                > > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                always
                > > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                > >
                > > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                > > But,
                > > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                > > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
                City,
                > > the
                > > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                the
                > > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
                place
                > > to
                > > be trapped in either when the time came.
                > >
                > > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                > > words.
                > > _________________
                > > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                > > Dondep or Dagwood
                > > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                > > #420
                > > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                > >
                > > Dondep
                > > Moderator
                > >
                > > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                > > Posts: 255
                > > Location: Las Vegas
                > > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                > > Ann
                > >
                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                > >
                > > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                > >
                > > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                > > Dadmiral
                > > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                > > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                > >
                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                > >
                > > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                you
                > > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                > > you
                > > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
                > > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                us!
                > > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                > > Looking
                > > Glass showed.
                > >
                > > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                > >
                > > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                case
                > > we
                > > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                some
                > > time.
                > >
                > > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                > >
                > > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                > >
                > > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                There
                > > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                > > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                with
                > > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                > > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                Back
                > > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                > >
                > > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                of
                > > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                range.
                > > I
                > > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                > >
                > > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                thing.
                > > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                > > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                > >
                > > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                > >
                > > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                provisions
                > > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                > > way
                > > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                > > told
                > > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                > >
                > > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                the
                > > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                > >
                > > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                > >
                > > A: Dxx, silly!
                > >
                > > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                > > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                > > issues
                > > are apples and oranges to me.
                > >
                > > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
                > >
                > > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
                readying a
                > > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
                > > location?
                > >
                > > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                > >
                > > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
                hitting
                > > us,
                > > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
                > > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                > >
                > > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                war
                > > quicker! (laughing)
                > >
                > > D: Not funny!
                > >
                > > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                > > either.
                > >
                > > J: Look Dan -
                > >
                > > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                I
                > > am
                > > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                > >
                > > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                > >
                > > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                > > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                have
                > > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
                > > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                > > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                withhold
                > > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                > >
                > > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                > > changed the course pushing us off T2.
                > >
                > > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                > >
                > > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                glasses.
                > >
                > > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                > > choice but to announce what I've learned!
                > >
                > > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                > >
                > > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                > > that
                > > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                > > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                > > not
                > > the full story.
                > >
                > > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                claims
                > > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                > >
                > > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                > >
                > > D: Thank you!
                > >
                > > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                > > Majestic
                > > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                > >
                > > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                > >
                > > J: Not really, it will miss us.
                > >
                > > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                sure
                > > it will miss us?
                > >
                > > J: The numbers say it will miss.
                > >
                > > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                > >
                > > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                glasses.
                > >
                > > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                > > choice but to announce what I've learned!
                > >
                > > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                > >
                > > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                > > that
                > > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                > > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                > > not
                > > the full story.
                > >
                > > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                claims
                > > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                > >
                > > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                > >
                > > D: Thank you!
                > >
                > > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                > > Majestic
                > > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                > > _________________
                > > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                > > Dondep or Dagwood
                > > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                > > #420
                > > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                > >
                > > Back to top
                > >
                > > Dondep
                > > Moderator
                > >
                > > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                > > Posts: 255
                > > Location: Las Vegas
                > > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                > >
                > > ----------------------------------------------------------
                > >
                > > Clarifications
                > >
                > > Dan wrote:
                > > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                There
                > > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                > > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                with
                > > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                > > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                Back
                > > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                > >
                > > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                to
                > > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                > > Hilton
                > > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                us
                > > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                > > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                > > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                > > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                > > and
                > > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                wrong
                > > moments.
                > >
                > > Ann wrote:
                > > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                the
                > > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                > >
                > > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                > >
                > > Dan wrote:
                > > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                > > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                > > issues
                > > are apples and oranges to me.
                > >
                > > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                Marci,
                > > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                > > laugh
                > > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                > > _________________
                > > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                > > Dondep or Dagwood
                > > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                > > #420
                > > Las Vegas, NV 89121
              • William Hamilton
                No, Regan, the real reason is that I am burned out on the subject and have numerous other interests that I would like to spend time pursuing. Bill ... From:
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                  No, Regan, the real reason is that I am burned out on the subject and
                  have numerous other interests that I would like to spend time pursuing.

                  Bill

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: <masanga@...>
                  To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:13 AM
                  Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                  > Dex,
                  >
                  > If Dan is not allowed by his bosses to present the proofs that
                  are
                  > needed to back up his claims, then his position seems pretty dire to me
                  > because it means they will have hung him out to dry. I am now wondering
                  > whether Bill has realised this and it is the real reason for his
                  slinking
                  > away from the field of battle in order to "do something more productive"
                  > elsewhere. I cannot believe that the real reason for it is his disgust
                  at
                  > the insignificant ravings of the mindless rabble that infest a few
                  web-sites
                  > as his explanation here suggests.
                  >
                  > Regan
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Dex
                  > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:58 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                  >
                  >
                  > Very valid statements Regan..and that was a good reply Bill.
                  > Until proof is allowed...
                  >
                  > Dex
                  >
                  >
                  >> Regan,
                  >>
                  >> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                  >> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                  >> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                  >> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or
                  aliens.
                  >> Its just not there.
                  >>
                  >> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                  >> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                  >>
                  >> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                  >> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                  >> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                  >>
                  >> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                  >> UFO case, then be my guest.
                  >>
                  >> Bill
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: <masanga@...>
                  >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                  >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> > Bill,
                  >> >
                  >> > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
                  in
                  >> > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does
                  seem
                  > to
                  >> > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                  > providing
                  >> > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                  > lurid
                  >> > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
                  come
                  >> > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
                  > far
                  >> > we
                  >> > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
                  requires
                  >> > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                  > will
                  >> > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
                  in
                  >> > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether
                  we
                  >> > like
                  >> > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But
                  you,
                  > Dan
                  >> > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                  >> >
                  >> > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                  > radical
                  >> > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                  >> > think
                  >> > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                  > out
                  >> > of
                  >> > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                  >> > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
                  ufology
                  >> > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant
                  import
                  > of
                  >> > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                  > assessed
                  >> > as
                  >> > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                  > message
                  >> > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his
                  claimed
                  >> > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding
                  of
                  >> > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems
                  to
                  >> > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                  >> > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                  >> > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists
                  really
                  > be
                  >> > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                  > can
                  >> > do
                  >> > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent
                  imaginative
                  >> > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                  >> > should
                  >> > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                  > under
                  >> > the circumstances.
                  >> >
                  >> > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                  >> > yourselves
                  >> > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by
                  the
                  >> > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                  > Both
                  >> > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are
                  not
                  >> > free
                  >> > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in
                  so
                  > far
                  >> > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
                  to
                  >> > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                  >> > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                  >> > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with
                  Dan
                  >> > and
                  >> > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                  > control
                  >> > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
                  disinterested
                  >> > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                  >> > suspect
                  >> > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                  >> > "part
                  >> > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                  > and
                  >> > a
                  >> > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                  >> > accordingly.
                  >> > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                  >> > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a
                  greater
                  > or
                  >> > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it!
                  Your
                  >> > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
                  > reproach,
                  >> > but
                  >> > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                  >> > contradictory.
                  >> > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
                  > you
                  >> > and
                  >> > general confusion in people's minds.
                  >> >
                  >> > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                  > instant
                  >> > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence
                  that
                  > is
                  >> > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                  > think
                  >> > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                  > judgement
                  >> > in
                  >> > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time
                  in
                  > the
                  >> > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                  > But
                  >> > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan
                  and
                  >> > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                  > things
                  >> > to do.
                  >> >
                  >> > Sincerely,
                  >> > Regan
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > ----- Original Message -----
                  >> > From: William Hamilton
                  >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                  >> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                  >> > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > Dex,
                  >> >
                  >> > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets
                  posted
                  > on
                  >> > these forums
                  >> > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
                  The
                  >> > Golden
                  >> > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen
                  or
                  >> > understood
                  >> > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to
                  fade
                  >> > out
                  >> > of
                  >> > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                  >> >
                  >> > Sincerely,
                  >> >
                  >> > Bill Hamilton
                  >> > AstroScience Research
                  >> > http://www.astrosciences.info
                  >> > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                  >> > incredible."
                  >> > Fred Hoyle
                  >> >
                  >> > ----- Original Message -----
                  >> > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                  >> > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                  >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                  >> >
                  >> > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                  >> > A=Ann
                  >> > D=Dan B.
                  >> > M=Marci
                  >> > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                  >> > --------------
                  >> > Dxx=Dondep
                  >> >
                  >> > Dex
                  >> > ******************************************************************
                  >> > Cross posting:
                  >> >
                  >> > Dondep wrote:
                  >> >
                  >> > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                  >> >
                  >> > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                  >> > feint,
                  >> > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                  >> >
                  >> > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
                  > of
                  >> > how
                  >> > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                  >> > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                  > response
                  >> > to
                  >> > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                  >> >
                  >> > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                  >> > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line.
                  I
                  >> > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the
                  May
                  >> > 18th
                  >> > induction last year.
                  >> >
                  >> > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
                  from
                  >> > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was
                  the
                  >> > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as
                  worse;
                  > oh
                  >> > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                  >> > 'religious
                  >> > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                  > which
                  >> > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me,
                  references
                  >> > made
                  >> > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
                  triangulate
                  >> > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have
                  anything
                  > to
                  >> > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said
                  he
                  >> > would
                  >> > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                  > doctorate
                  >> > is
                  >> > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA
                  validate
                  > it
                  >> > in
                  >> > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                  > something
                  >> > REAL.
                  >> >
                  >> > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                  > assassination
                  >> > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
                  being
                  >> > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                  >> >
                  >> > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe
                  forums":
                  >> >
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                  >> > Vance at GLP wrote:
                  >> >
                  >> > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
                  US
                  >> > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and
                  going
                  >> > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if
                  there
                  >> > was
                  >> > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
                  > opening
                  >> > his
                  >> > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                  >> >
                  >> > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
                  this
                  >> > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                  > any
                  >> > of
                  >> > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                  >> > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                  >> > exist,
                  >> > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be
                  used
                  > as
                  >> > a
                  >> > freebe disinfo tool.
                  >> >
                  >> > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
                  > Have
                  >> > you
                  >> > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
                  I'd
                  >> > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                  >> > consider other claims he makes.
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: Vance 302106
                  >> >
                  >> > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                  > free
                  >> > to talk about at all...."
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  > -------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                  >> > 'official'
                  >> > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a
                  copy,
                  >> > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we
                  have
                  >> > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                  >> >
                  >> > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of
                  your
                  >> > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                  >> > reality,
                  >> > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to
                  the
                  >> > population of the world. ....."
                  >> >
                  >> > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
                  To
                  >> > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit
                  of
                  >> > April 13th, 2005:
                  >> >
                  >> > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the
                  negotiations
                  > of
                  >> > a
                  >> > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
                  Humanity",
                  >> > between present human authorities and certain individuals
                  representing
                  >> > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
                  > you
                  >> > as
                  >> > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had
                  physical
                  >> > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                  >> > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence
                  of
                  > the
                  >> > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
                  stipulated
                  >> > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                  >> > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                  >> > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
                  > by
                  >> > the
                  >> > issuing authority."
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  > ---------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at
                  [link
                  > to
                  >> > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                  >> >
                  >> > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                  > lawyer,
                  >> > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me
                  to
                  >> > help
                  >> > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long
                  as
                  >> > they
                  >> > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming
                  poleshift.
                  >> >
                  >> > Todd wrote:
                  >> > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                  >> > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                  >> > generated
                  >> > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                  >> > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                  >> > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                  > prove
                  >> > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still
                  writing
                  >> > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                  >> >
                  >> > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                  > use,
                  >> > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
                  of
                  >> > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan
                  knows
                  >> > him
                  >> > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because
                  of
                  >> > all
                  >> > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                  > Dan
                  >> > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
                  he
                  >> > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his
                  personality
                  > a
                  >> > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
                  and
                  >> > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's
                  filet-o-fish
                  >> > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one
                  while
                  > on
                  >> > a
                  >> > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
                  cigars,
                  >> > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit
                  in
                  > as
                  >> > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found
                  before
                  >> > that
                  >> > happened.
                  >> >
                  >> > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him
                  on
                  >> > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                  > he'll
                  >> > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                  > day!
                  >> >
                  >> > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's
                  an
                  >> > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                  > when
                  >> > in
                  >> > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get
                  Dan
                  > in
                  >> > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's
                  already
                  >> > had
                  >> > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                  >> > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                  >> > them.
                  >> >
                  >> > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                  >> > Hoi all,
                  >> > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                  >> > I�m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                  >> > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                  > correct.
                  >> > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                  > 10%
                  >> > is
                  >> > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that�s why I�m
                  >> > unknown.
                  >> > JAn
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                  >> >
                  >> > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                  >> > treehouse
                  >> > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                  > Oct
                  >> > 2,
                  >> > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                  >> > blinded
                  >> > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell
                  are
                  >> > also
                  >> > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
                  occasional
                  >> > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                  >> > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
                  bogus
                  >> > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any
                  fault
                  >> > with
                  >> > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed
                  the
                  >> > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                  >> > independent
                  >> > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                  >> > public
                  >> > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                  >> > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                  >> > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to
                  play
                  > the
                  >> > role of Dan.}
                  >> >
                  >> > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
                  > least
                  >> > 10%
                  >> > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the
                  99%
                  >> > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes
                  of
                  >> > Dick
                  >> > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest
                  of
                  > the
                  >> > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders'
                  and
                  >> > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                  > thing,
                  >> > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                  > the
                  >> > future of humanity.
                  >> >
                  >> > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                  >> > .........
                  >> > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                  > still
                  >> > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
                  "October",
                  >> > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                  > interest
                  >> > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                  >> > fantasies,
                  >> > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                  > group
                  >> > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                  > the
                  >> > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                  > discuss
                  >> > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                  > Dan's
                  >> > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
                  > what
                  >> > she
                  >> > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                  > wife...oh,
                  >> > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                  >> > reconciliation,
                  >> > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                  > (Maybe
                  >> > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
                  at
                  >> > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a
                  friend
                  > who
                  >> > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that
                  Dan
                  >> > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                  >> > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                  >> > project
                  >> > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
                  didn't
                  >> > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                  > difference
                  >> > it
                  >> > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
                  ridiculous---but
                  >> > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again
                  and
                  >> > explain further.
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                  >> >
                  >> > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                  >> > appears
                  >> > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last
                  bit
                  > in
                  >> > a
                  >> > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at
                  least
                  >> > once
                  >> > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after
                  she
                  > got
                  >> > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                  >> > business
                  >> > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                  >> > community
                  >> > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                  > the
                  >> > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                  >> > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                  >> > accused
                  >> > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                  >> >
                  >> > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
                  > question
                  >> > as
                  >> > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell"
                  right,
                  >> > and
                  >> > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                  >> > sinker
                  >> > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
                  Burisch
                  >> > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
                  > that
                  >> > the
                  >> > information that's been important isn't so much what's been
                  volunteered
                  > to
                  >> > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                  >> > shied
                  >> > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                  > admitted
                  >> > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                  > the
                  >> > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                  > what
                  >> > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda
                  like
                  >> > that? Hmmmmmm......
                  >> >
                  >> > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4
                  complex.
                  >> > But
                  >> > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                  >> > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
                  what
                  >> > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                  >> > George
                  >> > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the
                  day
                  >> > when
                  >> > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                  >> > evidence
                  >> > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams
                  and
                  >> > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                  > balance
                  >> > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE
                  ISSUE.
                  >> > "The
                  >> > tissue ain't the issue!"
                  >> >
                  >> > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                  >> > Doreen
                  >> > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know
                  about
                  >> > such
                  >> > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
                  > received,
                  >> > or
                  >> > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
                  > or 2
                  >> > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                  >> > could
                  >> > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
                  their
                  >> > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                  >> > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                  >> >
                  >> > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                  > changes
                  >> > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                  >> >
                  >> > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                  >> > Hey DonDep!!
                  >> >
                  >> > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a
                  thread
                  > on
                  >> > an
                  >> > artifact dealing with time.
                  >> >
                  >> > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                  > work
                  >> > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative
                  ease.
                  >> >
                  >> > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                  validation
                  >> > what-so-ever.
                  >> >
                  >> > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                  >> >
                  >> > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
                  > did
                  >> > or
                  >> > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                  >> >
                  >> > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                  > you.
                  >> >
                  >> > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                  >> >
                  >> > Namaste
                  >> > Z
                  >> >
                  >> > Quoting: zacksavage
                  >> >
                  >> > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                  >> > original
                  >> > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama
                  that
                  >> > once
                  >> > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                  > there
                  >> > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                  > able
                  >> > to
                  >> > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                  > were
                  >> > all naive to it.
                  >> >
                  >> > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                  >> > black-ops
                  >> > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                  >> > Reason
                  >> > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
                  all
                  >> > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling
                  us,
                  >> > via
                  >> > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
                  have
                  >> > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted
                  by
                  >> > them
                  >> > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
                  > which
                  >> > we
                  >> > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                  >> > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op;
                  how
                  >> > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                  > had',
                  >> > as
                  >> > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't
                  he
                  > use
                  >> > it?"
                  >> >
                  >> > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one
                  more
                  >> > black
                  >> > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                  > Moses;
                  >> > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a
                  photo-oppable
                  >> > FBI
                  >> > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this
                  scenario
                  >> > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                  > merciful
                  >> > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good
                  for
                  >> > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                  >> > .......
                  >> > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                  > validation
                  >> > what-so-ever.
                  >> >
                  >> > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                  >> >
                  >> > Therein lies the quandary!
                  >> >
                  >> > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                  > over
                  >> > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                  > couple
                  >> > of
                  >> > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back
                  away
                  >> > but
                  >> > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                  > always
                  >> > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some
                  things.
                  >> >
                  >> > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are
                  MAJOR.
                  >> > But,
                  >> > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives
                  here
                  >> > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
                  > City,
                  >> > the
                  >> > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled
                  with
                  > the
                  >> > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
                  > place
                  >> > to
                  >> > be trapped in either when the time came.
                  >> >
                  >> > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                  >> > words.
                  >> > _________________
                  >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                  >> > Dondep or Dagwood
                  >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                  >> > #420
                  >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                  >> >
                  >> > Dondep
                  >> > Moderator
                  >> >
                  >> > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                  >> > Posts: 255
                  >> > Location: Las Vegas
                  >> > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci
                  and
                  >> > Ann
                  >> >
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                  >> >
                  >> > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                  >> > Dadmiral
                  >> > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the
                  'T-2'
                  >> > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                  >> >
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility,
                  which
                  > you
                  >> > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing
                  what
                  >> > you
                  >> > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
                  Future
                  >> > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could
                  hit
                  > us!
                  >> > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                  >> > Looking
                  >> > Glass showed.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                  > case
                  >> > we
                  >> > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                  > some
                  >> > time.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                  >> >
                  >> > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                  > There
                  >> > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                  >> > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                  > with
                  >> > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                  >> > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                  > Back
                  >> > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher
                  probability
                  > of
                  >> > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                  > range.
                  >> > I
                  >> > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                  > thing.
                  >> > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                  >> > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                  >> >
                  >> > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                  > provisions
                  >> > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in
                  the
                  >> > way
                  >> > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we
                  weren't
                  >> > told
                  >> > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                  >> >
                  >> > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us
                  getting
                  > the
                  >> > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                  >> >
                  >> > A: Dxx, silly!
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                  >> > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                  >> > issues
                  >> > are apples and oranges to me.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
                  critical.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
                  > readying a
                  >> > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
                  zero
                  >> > location?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
                  > hitting
                  >> > us,
                  >> > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
                  it
                  >> > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                  > war
                  >> > quicker! (laughing)
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Not funny!
                  >> >
                  >> > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as
                  funny
                  >> > either.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Look Dan -
                  >> >
                  >> > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately
                  get,
                  > I
                  >> > am
                  >> > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                  >> >
                  >> > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                  >> >
                  >> > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                  >> > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                  > have
                  >> > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
                  we
                  >> > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to
                  the
                  >> > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                  > withhold
                  >> > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                  >> >
                  >> > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that
                  we've
                  >> > changed the course pushing us off T2.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or
                  after?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                  > glasses.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have
                  no
                  >> > choice but to announce what I've learned!
                  >> >
                  >> > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a
                  possibility
                  >> > that
                  >> > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the
                  mainstream
                  >> > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji
                  was
                  >> > not
                  >> > the full story.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                  > claims
                  >> > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                  >> >
                  >> > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Thank you!
                  >> >
                  >> > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                  >> > Majestic
                  >> > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: Not really, it will miss us.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                  > sure
                  >> > it will miss us?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: The numbers say it will miss.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or
                  after?
                  >> >
                  >> > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                  > glasses.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have
                  no
                  >> > choice but to announce what I've learned!
                  >> >
                  >> > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a
                  possibility
                  >> > that
                  >> > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the
                  mainstream
                  >> > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji
                  was
                  >> > not
                  >> > the full story.
                  >> >
                  >> > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                  > claims
                  >> > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                  >> >
                  >> > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                  >> >
                  >> > D: Thank you!
                  >> >
                  >> > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                  >> > Majestic
                  >> > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                  >> > _________________
                  >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                  >> > Dondep or Dagwood
                  >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                  >> > #420
                  >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                  >> >
                  >> > Back to top
                  >> >
                  >> > Dondep
                  >> > Moderator
                  >> >
                  >> > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                  >> > Posts: 255
                  >> > Location: Las Vegas
                  >> > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                  >> >
                  >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > Clarifications
                  >> >
                  >> > Dan wrote:
                  >> > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                  > There
                  >> > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                  >> > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                  > with
                  >> > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                  >> > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                  > Back
                  >> > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                  >> >
                  >> > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I
                  tried
                  > to
                  >> > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                  >> > Hilton
                  >> > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and
                  call
                  > us
                  >> > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet
                  X
                  >> > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation
                  aside.
                  >> > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                  >> > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never
                  heard,
                  >> > and
                  >> > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                  > wrong
                  >> > moments.
                  >> >
                  >> > Ann wrote:
                  >> > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us
                  getting
                  > the
                  >> > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                  >> >
                  >> > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                  >> >
                  >> > Dan wrote:
                  >> > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                  >> > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                  >> > issues
                  >> > are apples and oranges to me.
                  >> >
                  >> > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                  > Marci,
                  >> > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether
                  to
                  >> > laugh
                  >> > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                  >> > _________________
                  >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                  >> > Dondep or Dagwood
                  >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                  >> > #420
                  >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                  >
                  >
                  >
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                • William Hamilton
                  Regan This is growing tiresome for me. I am no longer investigating Dan s case nor even see him anymore since I moved to the midwest. Dan has showed me all
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                    Regan

                    This is growing tiresome for me. I am no longer investigating
                    Dan's case nor even see him anymore since I moved to the
                    midwest.

                    Dan has showed me all the evidence he could and will soon make
                    a public disclosure of his work at a major scientific institution.
                    It is out of my hands now.

                    Whatever I had to say, I said in my book "Project Aquarius".

                    Bill


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: <masanga@...>
                    To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:01 AM
                    Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                    > Bill,
                    >
                    > I have been off-line for a while due to network problems and have
                    > only just got back on-line.
                    >
                    > You seem to have dismissed my points rather lightly. I hope you
                    > understand that I was not trying to criticise you; I was trying to
                    point
                    > out the only solution that I could see to your expressed problem.
                    Before
                    > replying, I think I should say that I do not see this issue as a private
                    > matter between ourselves but as a public one that implicates at least
                    > everyone in the UFO community and possibly everyone in the world.
                    >
                    > Bill: "I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's, all
                    I
                    > can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard evidence so
                    you
                    > can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative. Might as well as ask
                    me
                    > for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens. Its just not there."
                    >
                    > Regan: Perhaps I misled you by referring to "hard" evidence. I meant it
                    in
                    > the sense of its being physical and objective in the way that
                    photographs,
                    > tissue samples, voice-recordings, etc. might be accepted as "hard"
                    evidence
                    > in a court of law. I did not mean "hard" in the sense of its
                    automatically
                    > compelling conviction (although that would help, of course). If I had
                    meant
                    > it in that sense, I would not also have suggested that the evidence
                    needs to
                    > be assessed as I did do.
                    >
                    > But let me get what you are saying straight, Bill. Are you
                    telling
                    > me that, after years of intensive investigation of Dan and his alarming
                    > claims about on-going human-alien relationships, trade-deals and
                    abductions
                    > regulated by secret treaties, manipulation of the earth's time-line,
                    > unstable stargates, an apocalyptic geophysical threat to the whole
                    planet
                    > coming around 2012 and the discovery of a positive proto-virus with
                    > miraculous healing capabilities (which could, potentially, be diverted
                    to
                    > use as a secret superweapon) and more, there is in fact NO physical,
                    > objective evidence (i.e. "hard" in the sense that I meant it) and there
                    > never will be? Because if you are, then I think I should remind you of
                    the
                    > time a while back when you took Dex to task in this forum for "crying
                    wolf"
                    > too often without having any real evidence to back up his alarming
                    claims.
                    > Dan's radical claims are alarming to the point of being profoundly
                    > psychologically disturbing because they threaten to overturn people's
                    > established worldviews. He is speaking the stuff of which people's
                    worst
                    > nightmares are
                    > made. He has cried "WOLF!" at 300 decibels. So where is the evidence
                    for
                    > the wolf? I think people will feel entitled to see it, or else to write
                    Dan
                    > and his confederates off as the noisome, troublesome, time-wasting
                    practical
                    > jokers that they will have demonstrated themselves to be. That is the
                    > predictable public reaction. It would not be my reaction, but all this
                    is
                    > not about me. It is about you and Dan and your troubled relationship
                    with
                    > the public. As I said, this is not a private matter.
                    >
                    >
                    > Bill: "I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                    is
                    > about all one can do in a UFO case."
                    >
                    > Regan: This is not a typical UFO case and in principle there is more
                    that
                    > you and/or Dan could do by way of providing substantial evidence to
                    support
                    > at least some of his claims (in the absence of a legal prohibition from
                    > higher authority). For example, take Dan's alleged discovery of the
                    Ganesh
                    > particle. What is to stop you from publishing a set of replicable
                    scientific
                    > experiments which other scientists could do to verify its existence?
                    The
                    > U.S. military/secret-government/whatever would not be able to claim
                    > intellectual ownership without exposing itself and Dan might even end up
                    > with a nobel prize and get the undivided attention of Congress on his
                    case.
                    > Admittedly it would be much harder to provide direct evidence for the
                    > existence of the J-Rod (such as a signed photograph and a DVD for all
                    his
                    > fans and well-wishers), but again an indirect method might be possible.
                    For
                    > instance, Dan claims to have studied the J-Rod's DNA. Perhaps it would
                    be
                    > possible for a gene-lab, acting on instructions supplied by Dan, to
                    mutate a
                    > suitable terrestrially occuring cell into a J-Rod analogue and then to
                    > compare the behaviour and properties of that cell with those described
                    by
                    > Dan as occurring in the J-Rod original. Similar indirect tests might be
                    > possible in regard to his other claims too. One has to be inventive
                    about
                    > it of course, but "nothing ventured, nothing gained" as the saying goes.
                    > Anyway, I really think you should consider all possible alternatives
                    before
                    > giving up, Bill, because the consequences of your doing that are awful
                    to
                    > contemplate for you both - and for the world if Dan's claims are true.
                    >
                    >
                    > Bill: "Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                    > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one jot of it
                    is
                    > accepted. I am even skeptical."
                    >
                    > Regan: You are making my point for me, Bill. Meier has at least
                    provided
                    > some putative physical evidence for his claims that is subject to
                    critical
                    > examination and testing. To date, Dan has supplied little or none. It
                    may
                    > not be his
                    > fault that he has been unable to supply it but the public will not care
                    > about that when they make their judgement of him. If Dan does not
                    produce
                    > any testable evidence at all to back up his claims, they will give more
                    > credence to Meier's hub cap-like photos than they will to Dan's
                    > unsubstantiated claims.
                    >
                    >
                    > Bill: "If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a UFO
                    > case, then be my guest."
                    >
                    > Regan: I hardly think this is about anyone's ability to provide hard
                    > evidence for just any old UFO-case, Bill. It is about the lack of any
                    > substantial evidence for one case in particular, which is not even a
                    simple
                    > UFO-case anyway but is a complex case involving longstanding secret
                    > relationships between human and ET societies and of which UFOs are a
                    minor
                    > feature. The difficulties of proving it are correspondingly immense. I
                    was
                    > trying to offer help to you who are caught in this exceptionally
                    difficult
                    > situation. The case has serious implications for terrestrial politics
                    which
                    > I think only the most irresponsible-minded of people would feel that
                    they
                    > can safely ignore - if Dan's claims are true. And if they are not true,
                    he
                    > will be responsible for having disturbed and distressed a lot of people
                    to
                    > no purpose. So the question of whether or not they are true is an
                    important
                    > one which the public who he has aroused really does need to be able to
                    > decide. How can they decide it if not by the consideration of evidence?
                    >
                    > Regan
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: William Hamilton
                    > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                    >
                    >
                    > Regan,
                    >
                    > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                    > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                    > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                    > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                    > Its just not there.
                    >
                    > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                    > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                    >
                    > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                    > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                    > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                    >
                    > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                    > UFO case, then be my guest.
                    >
                    > Bill
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: <masanga@...>
                    > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                    > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                    >
                    >
                    >> Bill,
                    >>
                    >> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
                    in
                    >> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                    to
                    >> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                    providing
                    >> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                    lurid
                    >> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
                    come
                    >> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
                    far
                    >> we
                    >> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
                    requires
                    >> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                    will
                    >> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
                    in
                    >> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                    >> like
                    >> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                    Dan
                    >> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                    >>
                    >> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                    radical
                    >> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                    >> think
                    >> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                    out
                    >> of
                    >> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                    >> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
                    ufology
                    >> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                    of
                    >> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                    assessed
                    >> as
                    >> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                    message
                    >> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                    >> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                    >> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                    >> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                    >> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                    >> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                    be
                    >> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                    can
                    >> do
                    >> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                    >> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                    >> should
                    >> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                    under
                    >> the circumstances.
                    >>
                    >> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                    >> yourselves
                    >> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                    >> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                    Both
                    >> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                    >> free
                    >> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                    far
                    >> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
                    to
                    >> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                    >> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                    >> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                    >> and
                    >> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                    control
                    >> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
                    disinterested
                    >> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                    >> suspect
                    >> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                    >> "part
                    >> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                    and
                    >> a
                    >> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                    >> accordingly.
                    >> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                    >> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                    or
                    >> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                    >> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
                    reproach,
                    >> but
                    >> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                    >> contradictory.
                    >> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
                    you
                    >> and
                    >> general confusion in people's minds.
                    >>
                    >> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                    instant
                    >> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                    is
                    >> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                    think
                    >> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                    judgement
                    >> in
                    >> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                    the
                    >> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                    But
                    >> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                    >> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                    things
                    >> to do.
                    >>
                    >> Sincerely,
                    >> Regan
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: William Hamilton
                    >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                    >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                    >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> Dex,
                    >>
                    >> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                    on
                    >> these forums
                    >> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
                    The
                    >> Golden
                    >> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                    >> understood
                    >> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                    >> out
                    >> of
                    >> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                    >>
                    >> Sincerely,
                    >>
                    >> Bill Hamilton
                    >> AstroScience Research
                    >> http://www.astrosciences.info
                    >> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                    >> incredible."
                    >> Fred Hoyle
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                    >> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                    >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                    >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                    >>
                    >> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                    >> A=Ann
                    >> D=Dan B.
                    >> M=Marci
                    >> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                    >> --------------
                    >> Dxx=Dondep
                    >>
                    >> Dex
                    >> ******************************************************************
                    >> Cross posting:
                    >>
                    >> Dondep wrote:
                    >>
                    >> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                    >>
                    >> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                    >> feint,
                    >> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                    >>
                    >> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
                    of
                    >> how
                    >> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                    >> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                    response
                    >> to
                    >> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                    >>
                    >> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                    >> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                    >> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                    >> 18th
                    >> induction last year.
                    >>
                    >> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
                    from
                    >> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                    >> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                    oh
                    >> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                    >> 'religious
                    >> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                    which
                    >> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                    >> made
                    >> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
                    triangulate
                    >> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                    to
                    >> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                    >> would
                    >> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                    doctorate
                    >> is
                    >> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                    it
                    >> in
                    >> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                    something
                    >> REAL.
                    >>
                    >> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                    assassination
                    >> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
                    being
                    >> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                    >>
                    >> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                    >>
                    >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                    >>
                    >> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                    >> Vance at GLP wrote:
                    >>
                    >> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
                    US
                    >> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                    >> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                    >> was
                    >> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
                    opening
                    >> his
                    >> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                    >>
                    >> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
                    this
                    >> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                    any
                    >> of
                    >> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                    >> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                    >> exist,
                    >> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                    as
                    >> a
                    >> freebe disinfo tool.
                    >>
                    >> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
                    Have
                    >> you
                    >> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
                    I'd
                    >> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                    >> consider other claims he makes.
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: Vance 302106
                    >>
                    >> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                    free
                    >> to talk about at all...."
                    >> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                    >>
                    >> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                    >> 'official'
                    >> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                    >> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                    >> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                    >>
                    >> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                    >> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                    >> reality,
                    >> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                    >> population of the world. ....."
                    >>
                    >> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
                    To
                    >> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                    >> April 13th, 2005:
                    >>
                    >> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                    of
                    >> a
                    >> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
                    Humanity",
                    >> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                    >> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
                    you
                    >> as
                    >> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                    >> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                    >> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                    the
                    >> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
                    stipulated
                    >> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                    >> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                    >> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
                    by
                    >> the
                    >> issuing authority."
                    >> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                    >>
                    >> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                    to
                    >> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                    >>
                    >> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                    lawyer,
                    >> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                    >> help
                    >> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                    >> they
                    >> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                    >>
                    >> Todd wrote:
                    >> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                    >> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                    >> generated
                    >> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                    >> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                    >> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                    prove
                    >> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                    >> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                    >>
                    >> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                    use,
                    >> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
                    of
                    >> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                    >> him
                    >> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                    >> all
                    >> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                    Dan
                    >> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
                    he
                    >> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                    a
                    >> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
                    and
                    >> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                    >> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                    on
                    >> a
                    >> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
                    cigars,
                    >> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                    as
                    >> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                    >> that
                    >> happened.
                    >>
                    >> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                    >> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                    he'll
                    >> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                    day!
                    >>
                    >> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                    >> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                    when
                    >> in
                    >> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                    in
                    >> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                    >> had
                    >> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                    >> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                    >> them.
                    >>
                    >> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                    >> Hoi all,
                    >> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                    >> I�m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                    >> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                    correct.
                    >> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                    10%
                    >> is
                    >> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that�s why I�m
                    >> unknown.
                    >> JAn
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                    >>
                    >> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                    >> treehouse
                    >> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                    Oct
                    >> 2,
                    >> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                    >> blinded
                    >> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                    >> also
                    >> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
                    occasional
                    >> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                    >> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
                    bogus
                    >> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                    >> with
                    >> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                    >> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                    >> independent
                    >> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                    >> public
                    >> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                    >> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                    >> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                    the
                    >> role of Dan.}
                    >>
                    >> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
                    least
                    >> 10%
                    >> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                    >> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                    >> Dick
                    >> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                    the
                    >> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                    >> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                    thing,
                    >> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                    the
                    >> future of humanity.
                    >>
                    >> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                    >> .........
                    >> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                    still
                    >> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
                    "October",
                    >> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                    interest
                    >> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                    >> fantasies,
                    >> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                    group
                    >> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                    the
                    >> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                    discuss
                    >> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                    Dan's
                    >> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
                    what
                    >> she
                    >> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                    wife...oh,
                    >> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                    >> reconciliation,
                    >> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                    (Maybe
                    >> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
                    at
                    >> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                    who
                    >> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                    >> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                    >> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                    >> project
                    >> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
                    didn't
                    >> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                    difference
                    >> it
                    >> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
                    ridiculous---but
                    >> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                    >> explain further.
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                    >>
                    >> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                    >> appears
                    >> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                    in
                    >> a
                    >> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                    >> once
                    >> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                    got
                    >> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                    >> business
                    >> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                    >> community
                    >> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                    the
                    >> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                    >> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                    >> accused
                    >> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                    >>
                    >> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
                    question
                    >> as
                    >> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                    >> and
                    >> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                    >> sinker
                    >> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
                    Burisch
                    >> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
                    that
                    >> the
                    >> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                    to
                    >> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                    >> shied
                    >> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                    admitted
                    >> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                    the
                    >> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                    what
                    >> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                    >> that? Hmmmmmm......
                    >>
                    >> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                    >> But
                    >> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                    >> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
                    what
                    >> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                    >> George
                    >> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                    >> when
                    >> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                    >> evidence
                    >> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                    >> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                    balance
                    >> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                    >> "The
                    >> tissue ain't the issue!"
                    >>
                    >> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                    >> Doreen
                    >> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                    >> such
                    >> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
                    received,
                    >> or
                    >> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
                    or 2
                    >> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                    >> could
                    >> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
                    their
                    >> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                    >> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                    >>
                    >> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                    changes
                    >> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                    >>
                    >> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                    >> Hey DonDep!!
                    >>
                    >> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                    on
                    >> an
                    >> artifact dealing with time.
                    >>
                    >> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                    work
                    >> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                    >>
                    >> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                    validation
                    >> what-so-ever.
                    >>
                    >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                    >>
                    >> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
                    did
                    >> or
                    >> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                    >>
                    >> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                    you.
                    >>
                    >> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                    >>
                    >> Namaste
                    >> Z
                    >>
                    >> Quoting: zacksavage
                    >>
                    >> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                    >> original
                    >> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                    >> once
                    >> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                    there
                    >> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                    able
                    >> to
                    >> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                    were
                    >> all naive to it.
                    >>
                    >> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                    >> black-ops
                    >> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                    >> Reason
                    >> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
                    all
                    >> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                    >> via
                    >> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
                    have
                    >> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                    >> them
                    >> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
                    which
                    >> we
                    >> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                    >> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                    >> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                    had',
                    >> as
                    >> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                    use
                    >> it?"
                    >>
                    >> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                    >> black
                    >> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                    Moses;
                    >> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                    >> FBI
                    >> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                    >> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                    merciful
                    >> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                    >> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                    >> .......
                    >> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                    validation
                    >> what-so-ever.
                    >>
                    >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                    >>
                    >> Therein lies the quandary!
                    >>
                    >> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                    over
                    >> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                    couple
                    >> of
                    >> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                    >> but
                    >> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                    always
                    >> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                    >>
                    >> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                    >> But,
                    >> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                    >> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
                    City,
                    >> the
                    >> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                    the
                    >> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
                    place
                    >> to
                    >> be trapped in either when the time came.
                    >>
                    >> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                    >> words.
                    >> _________________
                    >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                    >> Dondep or Dagwood
                    >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                    >> #420
                    >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                    >>
                    >> Dondep
                    >> Moderator
                    >>
                    >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                    >> Posts: 255
                    >> Location: Las Vegas
                    >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                    >> Ann
                    >>
                    >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                    >>
                    >> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                    >>
                    >> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                    >> Dadmiral
                    >> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                    >> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                    >>
                    >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                    >>
                    >> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                    you
                    >> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                    >> you
                    >> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
                    Future
                    >> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                    us!
                    >> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                    >> Looking
                    >> Glass showed.
                    >>
                    >> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                    >>
                    >> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                    case
                    >> we
                    >> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                    some
                    >> time.
                    >>
                    >> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                    >>
                    >> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                    >>
                    >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                    There
                    >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                    >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                    with
                    >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                    >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                    Back
                    >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                    >>
                    >> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                    of
                    >> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                    range.
                    >> I
                    >> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                    >>
                    >> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                    thing.
                    >> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                    >> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                    >>
                    >> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                    >>
                    >> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                    provisions
                    >> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                    >> way
                    >> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                    >> told
                    >> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                    >>
                    >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                    the
                    >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                    >>
                    >> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                    >>
                    >> A: Dxx, silly!
                    >>
                    >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                    >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                    >> issues
                    >> are apples and oranges to me.
                    >>
                    >> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
                    critical.
                    >>
                    >> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
                    readying a
                    >> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
                    zero
                    >> location?
                    >>
                    >> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                    >>
                    >> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
                    hitting
                    >> us,
                    >> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
                    it
                    >> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                    >>
                    >> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                    war
                    >> quicker! (laughing)
                    >>
                    >> D: Not funny!
                    >>
                    >> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                    >> either.
                    >>
                    >> J: Look Dan -
                    >>
                    >> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                    I
                    >> am
                    >> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                    >>
                    >> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                    >>
                    >> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                    >> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                    have
                    >> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
                    we
                    >> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                    >> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                    withhold
                    >> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                    >>
                    >> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                    >> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                    >>
                    >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                    >>
                    >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                    glasses.
                    >>
                    >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                    >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                    >>
                    >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                    >>
                    >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                    >> that
                    >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                    >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                    >> not
                    >> the full story.
                    >>
                    >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                    claims
                    >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                    >>
                    >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                    >>
                    >> D: Thank you!
                    >>
                    >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                    >> Majestic
                    >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                    >>
                    >> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                    >>
                    >> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                    >>
                    >> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                    sure
                    >> it will miss us?
                    >>
                    >> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                    >>
                    >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                    >>
                    >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                    glasses.
                    >>
                    >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                    >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                    >>
                    >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                    >>
                    >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                    >> that
                    >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                    >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                    >> not
                    >> the full story.
                    >>
                    >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                    claims
                    >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                    >>
                    >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                    >>
                    >> D: Thank you!
                    >>
                    >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                    >> Majestic
                    >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                    >> _________________
                    >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                    >> Dondep or Dagwood
                    >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                    >> #420
                    >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                    >>
                    >> Back to top
                    >>
                    >> Dondep
                    >> Moderator
                    >>
                    >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                    >> Posts: 255
                    >> Location: Las Vegas
                    >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                    >>
                    >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                    >>
                    >> Clarifications
                    >>
                    >> Dan wrote:
                    >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                    There
                    >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                    >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                    with
                    >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                    >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                    Back
                    >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                    >>
                    >> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                    to
                    >> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                    >> Hilton
                    >> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                    us
                    >> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                    >> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                    >> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                    >> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                    >> and
                    >> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                    wrong
                    >> moments.
                    >>
                    >> Ann wrote:
                    >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                    the
                    >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                    >>
                    >> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                    >>
                    >> Dan wrote:
                    >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                    >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                    >> issues
                    >> are apples and oranges to me.
                    >>
                    >> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                    Marci,
                    >> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                    >> laugh
                    >> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                    >> _________________
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                    >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
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                      Thanks for this update on your position vis-a-vis Dan, Bill. I did
                      not know that you are no longer involved with him, or that he is soon to
                      make a public disclosure of his work. I shall look forward to watching the
                      balloon go up when he makes it and will keep my fingers crossed that he has
                      enough evidence to satisfy the many critics with vested interests to protect
                      who will probably do more than mount token attacks.

                      I do have a copy of your book "Project Aquarius" and have found it a
                      valuable source of information.

                      I am sorry that you are finding this discussion tiresome. You have
                      not explained why you find it so, but never mind. It was not my intention
                      to tread on private grief and I shall not press you further on the matters I
                      have raised. However, since this is a discussion forum and these matters do
                      seem to me to be of public significance, I shall continue to discuss them as
                      and when the occasion seems to require.

                      I wish you good productivity in whatever activities you involve
                      yourself now.

                      Regan


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: William Hamilton
                      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:33 PM
                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                      Regan

                      This is growing tiresome for me. I am no longer investigating
                      Dan's case nor even see him anymore since I moved to the
                      midwest.

                      Dan has showed me all the evidence he could and will soon make
                      a public disclosure of his work at a major scientific institution.
                      It is out of my hands now.

                      Whatever I had to say, I said in my book "Project Aquarius".

                      Bill


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                      Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:01 AM
                      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                      > Bill,
                      >
                      > I have been off-line for a while due to network problems and have
                      > only just got back on-line.
                      >
                      > You seem to have dismissed my points rather lightly. I hope you
                      > understand that I was not trying to criticise you; I was trying to
                      point
                      > out the only solution that I could see to your expressed problem.
                      Before
                      > replying, I think I should say that I do not see this issue as a private
                      > matter between ourselves but as a public one that implicates at least
                      > everyone in the UFO community and possibly everyone in the world.
                      >
                      > Bill: "I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's, all
                      I
                      > can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard evidence so
                      you
                      > can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative. Might as well as ask
                      me
                      > for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens. Its just not there."
                      >
                      > Regan: Perhaps I misled you by referring to "hard" evidence. I meant it
                      in
                      > the sense of its being physical and objective in the way that
                      photographs,
                      > tissue samples, voice-recordings, etc. might be accepted as "hard"
                      evidence
                      > in a court of law. I did not mean "hard" in the sense of its
                      automatically
                      > compelling conviction (although that would help, of course). If I had
                      meant
                      > it in that sense, I would not also have suggested that the evidence
                      needs to
                      > be assessed as I did do.
                      >
                      > But let me get what you are saying straight, Bill. Are you
                      telling
                      > me that, after years of intensive investigation of Dan and his alarming
                      > claims about on-going human-alien relationships, trade-deals and
                      abductions
                      > regulated by secret treaties, manipulation of the earth's time-line,
                      > unstable stargates, an apocalyptic geophysical threat to the whole
                      planet
                      > coming around 2012 and the discovery of a positive proto-virus with
                      > miraculous healing capabilities (which could, potentially, be diverted
                      to
                      > use as a secret superweapon) and more, there is in fact NO physical,
                      > objective evidence (i.e. "hard" in the sense that I meant it) and there
                      > never will be? Because if you are, then I think I should remind you of
                      the
                      > time a while back when you took Dex to task in this forum for "crying
                      wolf"
                      > too often without having any real evidence to back up his alarming
                      claims.
                      > Dan's radical claims are alarming to the point of being profoundly
                      > psychologically disturbing because they threaten to overturn people's
                      > established worldviews. He is speaking the stuff of which people's
                      worst
                      > nightmares are
                      > made. He has cried "WOLF!" at 300 decibels. So where is the evidence
                      for
                      > the wolf? I think people will feel entitled to see it, or else to write
                      Dan
                      > and his confederates off as the noisome, troublesome, time-wasting
                      practical
                      > jokers that they will have demonstrated themselves to be. That is the
                      > predictable public reaction. It would not be my reaction, but all this
                      is
                      > not about me. It is about you and Dan and your troubled relationship
                      with
                      > the public. As I said, this is not a private matter.
                      >
                      >
                      > Bill: "I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                      is
                      > about all one can do in a UFO case."
                      >
                      > Regan: This is not a typical UFO case and in principle there is more
                      that
                      > you and/or Dan could do by way of providing substantial evidence to
                      support
                      > at least some of his claims (in the absence of a legal prohibition from
                      > higher authority). For example, take Dan's alleged discovery of the
                      Ganesh
                      > particle. What is to stop you from publishing a set of replicable
                      scientific
                      > experiments which other scientists could do to verify its existence?
                      The
                      > U.S. military/secret-government/whatever would not be able to claim
                      > intellectual ownership without exposing itself and Dan might even end up
                      > with a nobel prize and get the undivided attention of Congress on his
                      case.
                      > Admittedly it would be much harder to provide direct evidence for the
                      > existence of the J-Rod (such as a signed photograph and a DVD for all
                      his
                      > fans and well-wishers), but again an indirect method might be possible.
                      For
                      > instance, Dan claims to have studied the J-Rod's DNA. Perhaps it would
                      be
                      > possible for a gene-lab, acting on instructions supplied by Dan, to
                      mutate a
                      > suitable terrestrially occuring cell into a J-Rod analogue and then to
                      > compare the behaviour and properties of that cell with those described
                      by
                      > Dan as occurring in the J-Rod original. Similar indirect tests might be
                      > possible in regard to his other claims too. One has to be inventive
                      about
                      > it of course, but "nothing ventured, nothing gained" as the saying goes.
                      > Anyway, I really think you should consider all possible alternatives
                      before
                      > giving up, Bill, because the consequences of your doing that are awful
                      to
                      > contemplate for you both - and for the world if Dan's claims are true.
                      >
                      >
                      > Bill: "Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                      > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one jot of it
                      is
                      > accepted. I am even skeptical."
                      >
                      > Regan: You are making my point for me, Bill. Meier has at least
                      provided
                      > some putative physical evidence for his claims that is subject to
                      critical
                      > examination and testing. To date, Dan has supplied little or none. It
                      may
                      > not be his
                      > fault that he has been unable to supply it but the public will not care
                      > about that when they make their judgement of him. If Dan does not
                      produce
                      > any testable evidence at all to back up his claims, they will give more
                      > credence to Meier's hub cap-like photos than they will to Dan's
                      > unsubstantiated claims.
                      >
                      >
                      > Bill: "If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a UFO
                      > case, then be my guest."
                      >
                      > Regan: I hardly think this is about anyone's ability to provide hard
                      > evidence for just any old UFO-case, Bill. It is about the lack of any
                      > substantial evidence for one case in particular, which is not even a
                      simple
                      > UFO-case anyway but is a complex case involving longstanding secret
                      > relationships between human and ET societies and of which UFOs are a
                      minor
                      > feature. The difficulties of proving it are correspondingly immense. I
                      was
                      > trying to offer help to you who are caught in this exceptionally
                      difficult
                      > situation. The case has serious implications for terrestrial politics
                      which
                      > I think only the most irresponsible-minded of people would feel that
                      they
                      > can safely ignore - if Dan's claims are true. And if they are not true,
                      he
                      > will be responsible for having disturbed and distressed a lot of people
                      to
                      > no purpose. So the question of whether or not they are true is an
                      important
                      > one which the public who he has aroused really does need to be able to
                      > decide. How can they decide it if not by the consideration of evidence?
                      >
                      > Regan
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: William Hamilton
                      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                      >
                      >
                      > Regan,
                      >
                      > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                      > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                      > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                      > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                      > Its just not there.
                      >
                      > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                      > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                      >
                      > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                      > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                      > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                      >
                      > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                      > UFO case, then be my guest.
                      >
                      > Bill
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: <masanga@...>
                      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                      >
                      >
                      >> Bill,
                      >>
                      >> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
                      in
                      >> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                      to
                      >> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                      providing
                      >> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                      lurid
                      >> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
                      come
                      >> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
                      far
                      >> we
                      >> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
                      requires
                      >> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                      will
                      >> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
                      in
                      >> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                      >> like
                      >> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                      Dan
                      >> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                      >>
                      >> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                      radical
                      >> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                      >> think
                      >> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                      out
                      >> of
                      >> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                      >> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
                      ufology
                      >> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                      of
                      >> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                      assessed
                      >> as
                      >> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                      message
                      >> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                      >> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                      >> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                      >> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                      >> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                      >> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                      be
                      >> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                      can
                      >> do
                      >> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                      >> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                      >> should
                      >> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                      under
                      >> the circumstances.
                      >>
                      >> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                      >> yourselves
                      >> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                      >> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                      Both
                      >> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                      >> free
                      >> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                      far
                      >> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
                      to
                      >> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                      >> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                      >> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                      >> and
                      >> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                      control
                      >> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
                      disinterested
                      >> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                      >> suspect
                      >> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                      >> "part
                      >> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                      and
                      >> a
                      >> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                      >> accordingly.
                      >> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                      >> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                      or
                      >> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                      >> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
                      reproach,
                      >> but
                      >> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                      >> contradictory.
                      >> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
                      you
                      >> and
                      >> general confusion in people's minds.
                      >>
                      >> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                      instant
                      >> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                      is
                      >> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                      think
                      >> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                      judgement
                      >> in
                      >> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                      the
                      >> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                      But
                      >> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                      >> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                      things
                      >> to do.
                      >>
                      >> Sincerely,
                      >> Regan
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: William Hamilton
                      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                      >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Dex,
                      >>
                      >> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                      on
                      >> these forums
                      >> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
                      The
                      >> Golden
                      >> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                      >> understood
                      >> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                      >> out
                      >> of
                      >> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                      >>
                      >> Sincerely,
                      >>
                      >> Bill Hamilton
                      >> AstroScience Research
                      >> http://www.astrosciences.info
                      >> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                      >> incredible."
                      >> Fred Hoyle
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                      >> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                      >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                      >>
                      >> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                      >> A=Ann
                      >> D=Dan B.
                      >> M=Marci
                      >> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                      >> --------------
                      >> Dxx=Dondep
                      >>
                      >> Dex
                      >> ******************************************************************
                      >> Cross posting:
                      >>
                      >> Dondep wrote:
                      >>
                      >> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                      >>
                      >> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                      >> feint,
                      >> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                      >>
                      >> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
                      of
                      >> how
                      >> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                      >> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                      response
                      >> to
                      >> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                      >>
                      >> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                      >> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                      >> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                      >> 18th
                      >> induction last year.
                      >>
                      >> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
                      from
                      >> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                      >> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                      oh
                      >> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                      >> 'religious
                      >> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                      which
                      >> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                      >> made
                      >> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
                      triangulate
                      >> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                      to
                      >> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                      >> would
                      >> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                      doctorate
                      >> is
                      >> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                      it
                      >> in
                      >> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                      something
                      >> REAL.
                      >>
                      >> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                      assassination
                      >> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
                      being
                      >> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                      >>
                      >> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                      >>
                      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      >>
                      >> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                      >> Vance at GLP wrote:
                      >>
                      >> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
                      US
                      >> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                      >> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                      >> was
                      >> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
                      opening
                      >> his
                      >> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                      >>
                      >> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
                      this
                      >> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                      any
                      >> of
                      >> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                      >> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                      >> exist,
                      >> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                      as
                      >> a
                      >> freebe disinfo tool.
                      >>
                      >> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
                      Have
                      >> you
                      >> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
                      I'd
                      >> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                      >> consider other claims he makes.
                      >>
                      >> Quoting: Vance 302106
                      >>
                      >> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                      free
                      >> to talk about at all...."
                      >> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                      >>
                      >> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                      >> 'official'
                      >> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                      >> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                      >> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                      >>
                      >> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                      >> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                      >> reality,
                      >> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                      >> population of the world. ....."
                      >>
                      >> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
                      To
                      >> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                      >> April 13th, 2005:
                      >>
                      >> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                      of
                      >> a
                      >> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
                      Humanity",
                      >> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                      >> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
                      you
                      >> as
                      >> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                      >> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                      >> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                      the
                      >> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
                      stipulated
                      >> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                      >> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                      >> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
                      by
                      >> the
                      >> issuing authority."
                      >> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                      >>
                      >> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                      to
                      >> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                      >>
                      >> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                      lawyer,
                      >> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                      >> help
                      >> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                      >> they
                      >> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                      >>
                      >> Todd wrote:
                      >> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                      >> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                      >> generated
                      >> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                      >> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                      >> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                      prove
                      >> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                      >> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                      >>
                      >> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                      >>
                      >> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                      use,
                      >> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
                      of
                      >> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                      >> him
                      >> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                      >> all
                      >> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                      Dan
                      >> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
                      he
                      >> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                      a
                      >> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
                      and
                      >> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                      >> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                      on
                      >> a
                      >> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
                      cigars,
                      >> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                      as
                      >> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                      >> that
                      >> happened.
                      >>
                      >> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                      >> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                      he'll
                      >> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                      day!
                      >>
                      >> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                      >> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                      when
                      >> in
                      >> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                      in
                      >> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                      >> had
                      >> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                      >> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                      >> them.
                      >>
                      >> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                      >> Hoi all,
                      >> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                      >> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                      >> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                      correct.
                      >> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                      10%
                      >> is
                      >> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                      >> unknown.
                      >> JAn
                      >>
                      >> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                      >>
                      >> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                      >> treehouse
                      >> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                      Oct
                      >> 2,
                      >> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                      >> blinded
                      >> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                      >> also
                      >> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
                      occasional
                      >> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                      >> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
                      bogus
                      >> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                      >> with
                      >> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                      >> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                      >> independent
                      >> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                      >> public
                      >> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                      >> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                      >> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                      the
                      >> role of Dan.}
                      >>
                      >> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
                      least
                      >> 10%
                      >> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                      >> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                      >> Dick
                      >> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                      the
                      >> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                      >> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                      thing,
                      >> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                      the
                      >> future of humanity.
                      >>
                      >> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                      >> .........
                      >> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                      still
                      >> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
                      "October",
                      >> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                      interest
                      >> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                      >> fantasies,
                      >> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                      group
                      >> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                      the
                      >> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                      discuss
                      >> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                      Dan's
                      >> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
                      what
                      >> she
                      >> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                      wife...oh,
                      >> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                      >> reconciliation,
                      >> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                      (Maybe
                      >> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
                      at
                      >> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                      who
                      >> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                      >> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                      >> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                      >> project
                      >> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
                      didn't
                      >> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                      difference
                      >> it
                      >> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
                      ridiculous---but
                      >> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                      >> explain further.
                      >>
                      >> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                      >>
                      >> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                      >> appears
                      >> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                      in
                      >> a
                      >> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                      >> once
                      >> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                      got
                      >> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                      >> business
                      >> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                      >> community
                      >> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                      the
                      >> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                      >> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                      >> accused
                      >> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                      >>
                      >> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
                      question
                      >> as
                      >> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                      >> and
                      >> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                      >> sinker
                      >> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
                      Burisch
                      >> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
                      that
                      >> the
                      >> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                      to
                      >> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                      >> shied
                      >> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                      admitted
                      >> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                      the
                      >> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                      what
                      >> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                      >> that? Hmmmmmm......
                      >>
                      >> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                      >> But
                      >> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                      >> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
                      what
                      >> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                      >> George
                      >> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                      >> when
                      >> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                      >> evidence
                      >> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                      >> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                      balance
                      >> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                      >> "The
                      >> tissue ain't the issue!"
                      >>
                      >> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                      >> Doreen
                      >> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                      >> such
                      >> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
                      received,
                      >> or
                      >> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
                      or 2
                      >> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                      >> could
                      >> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
                      their
                      >> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                      >> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                      >>
                      >> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                      changes
                      >> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                      >>
                      >> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                      >> Hey DonDep!!
                      >>
                      >> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                      on
                      >> an
                      >> artifact dealing with time.
                      >>
                      >> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                      work
                      >> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                      >>
                      >> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                      validation
                      >> what-so-ever.
                      >>
                      >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                      >>
                      >> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
                      did
                      >> or
                      >> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                      >>
                      >> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                      you.
                      >>
                      >> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                      >>
                      >> Namaste
                      >> Z
                      >>
                      >> Quoting: zacksavage
                      >>
                      >> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                      >> original
                      >> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                      >> once
                      >> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                      there
                      >> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                      able
                      >> to
                      >> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                      were
                      >> all naive to it.
                      >>
                      >> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                      >> black-ops
                      >> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                      >> Reason
                      >> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
                      all
                      >> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                      >> via
                      >> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
                      have
                      >> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                      >> them
                      >> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
                      which
                      >> we
                      >> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                      >> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                      >> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                      had',
                      >> as
                      >> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                      use
                      >> it?"
                      >>
                      >> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                      >> black
                      >> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                      Moses;
                      >> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                      >> FBI
                      >> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                      >> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                      merciful
                      >> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                      >> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                      >> .......
                      >> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                      validation
                      >> what-so-ever.
                      >>
                      >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                      >>
                      >> Therein lies the quandary!
                      >>
                      >> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                      over
                      >> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                      couple
                      >> of
                      >> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                      >> but
                      >> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                      always
                      >> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                      >>
                      >> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                      >> But,
                      >> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                      >> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
                      City,
                      >> the
                      >> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                      the
                      >> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
                      place
                      >> to
                      >> be trapped in either when the time came.
                      >>
                      >> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                      >> words.
                      >> _________________
                      >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                      >> Dondep or Dagwood
                      >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                      >> #420
                      >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                      >>
                      >> Dondep
                      >> Moderator
                      >>
                      >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                      >> Posts: 255
                      >> Location: Las Vegas
                      >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                      >> Ann
                      >>
                      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      >>
                      >> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                      >>
                      >> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                      >> Dadmiral
                      >> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                      >> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                      >>
                      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      >>
                      >> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                      you
                      >> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                      >> you
                      >> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
                      Future
                      >> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                      us!
                      >> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                      >> Looking
                      >> Glass showed.
                      >>
                      >> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                      >>
                      >> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                      case
                      >> we
                      >> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                      some
                      >> time.
                      >>
                      >> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                      >>
                      >> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                      >>
                      >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                      There
                      >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                      >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                      with
                      >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                      >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                      Back
                      >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                      >>
                      >> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                      of
                      >> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                      range.
                      >> I
                      >> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                      >>
                      >> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                      thing.
                      >> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                      >> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                      >>
                      >> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                      >>
                      >> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                      provisions
                      >> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                      >> way
                      >> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                      >> told
                      >> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                      >>
                      >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                      the
                      >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                      >>
                      >> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                      >>
                      >> A: Dxx, silly!
                      >>
                      >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                      >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                      >> issues
                      >> are apples and oranges to me.
                      >>
                      >> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
                      critical.
                      >>
                      >> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
                      readying a
                      >> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
                      zero
                      >> location?
                      >>
                      >> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                      >>
                      >> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
                      hitting
                      >> us,
                      >> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
                      it
                      >> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                      >>
                      >> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                      war
                      >> quicker! (laughing)
                      >>
                      >> D: Not funny!
                      >>
                      >> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                      >> either.
                      >>
                      >> J: Look Dan -
                      >>
                      >> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                      I
                      >> am
                      >> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                      >>
                      >> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                      >>
                      >> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                      >> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                      have
                      >> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
                      we
                      >> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                      >> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                      withhold
                      >> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                      >>
                      >> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                      >> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                      >>
                      >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                      >>
                      >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                      glasses.
                      >>
                      >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                      >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                      >>
                      >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                      >>
                      >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                      >> that
                      >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                      >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                      >> not
                      >> the full story.
                      >>
                      >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                      claims
                      >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                      >>
                      >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                      >>
                      >> D: Thank you!
                      >>
                      >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                      >> Majestic
                      >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                      >>
                      >> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                      >>
                      >> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                      >>
                      >> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                      sure
                      >> it will miss us?
                      >>
                      >> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                      >>
                      >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                      >>
                      >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                      glasses.
                      >>
                      >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                      >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                      >>
                      >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                      >>
                      >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                      >> that
                      >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                      >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                      >> not
                      >> the full story.
                      >>
                      >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                      claims
                      >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                      >>
                      >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                      >>
                      >> D: Thank you!
                      >>
                      >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                      >> Majestic
                      >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                      >> _________________
                      >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                      >> Dondep or Dagwood
                      >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                      >> #420
                      >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                      >>
                      >> Back to top
                      >>
                      >> Dondep
                      >> Moderator
                      >>
                      >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                      >> Posts: 255
                      >> Location: Las Vegas
                      >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                      >>
                      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                      >>
                      >> Clarifications
                      >>
                      >> Dan wrote:
                      >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                      There
                      >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                      >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                      with
                      >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                      >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                      Back
                      >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                      >>
                      >> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                      to
                      >> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                      >> Hilton
                      >> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                      us
                      >> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                      >> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                      >> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                      >> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                      >> and
                      >> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                      wrong
                      >> moments.
                      >>
                      >> Ann wrote:
                      >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                      the
                      >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                      >>
                      >> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                      >>
                      >> Dan wrote:
                      >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                      >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                      >> issues
                      >> are apples and oranges to me.
                      >>
                      >> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                      Marci,
                      >> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                      >> laugh
                      >> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                      >> _________________
                      >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                      >> Dondep or Dagwood
                      >> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                      >> #420
                      >> Las Vegas, NV 89121
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                      Thanks for this clarification, Bill. Sorry to hear you ve got burn-out. Enjoy your R & R. Regan ... From: William Hamilton To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
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                        Thanks for this clarification, Bill. Sorry to hear you've got
                        burn-out. Enjoy your R & R.

                        Regan


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: William Hamilton
                        To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 3:28 PM
                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?



                        No, Regan, the real reason is that I am burned out on the subject and
                        have numerous other interests that I would like to spend time pursuing.

                        Bill

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: <masanga@...>
                        To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                        Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:13 AM
                        Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                        > Dex,
                        >
                        > If Dan is not allowed by his bosses to present the proofs that
                        are
                        > needed to back up his claims, then his position seems pretty dire to me
                        > because it means they will have hung him out to dry. I am now wondering
                        > whether Bill has realised this and it is the real reason for his
                        slinking
                        > away from the field of battle in order to "do something more productive"
                        > elsewhere. I cannot believe that the real reason for it is his disgust
                        at
                        > the insignificant ravings of the mindless rabble that infest a few
                        web-sites
                        > as his explanation here suggests.
                        >
                        > Regan
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Dex
                        > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:58 PM
                        > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                        >
                        >
                        > Very valid statements Regan..and that was a good reply Bill.
                        > Until proof is allowed...
                        >
                        > Dex
                        >
                        >
                        >> Regan,
                        >>
                        >> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                        >> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                        >> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                        >> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or
                        aliens.
                        >> Its just not there.
                        >>
                        >> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                        >> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                        >>
                        >> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                        >> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                        >> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                        >>
                        >> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                        >> UFO case, then be my guest.
                        >>
                        >> Bill
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> ----- Original Message -----
                        >> From: <masanga@...>
                        >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                        >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                        >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> > Bill,
                        >> >
                        >> > I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
                        in
                        >> > order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does
                        seem
                        > to
                        >> > me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                        > providing
                        >> > hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                        > lurid
                        >> > kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
                        come
                        >> > through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
                        > far
                        >> > we
                        >> > have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
                        requires
                        >> > that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                        > will
                        >> > accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
                        in
                        >> > this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether
                        we
                        >> > like
                        >> > it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But
                        you,
                        > Dan
                        >> > and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                        >> >
                        >> > I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                        > radical
                        >> > revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                        >> > think
                        >> > it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                        > out
                        >> > of
                        >> > his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                        >> > background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
                        ufology
                        >> > would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant
                        import
                        > of
                        >> > his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                        > assessed
                        >> > as
                        >> > a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                        > message
                        >> > that may have significance for the world at large, such as his
                        claimed
                        >> > scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding
                        of
                        >> > actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems
                        to
                        >> > consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                        >> > bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                        >> > evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists
                        really
                        > be
                        >> > expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                        > can
                        >> > do
                        >> > with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent
                        imaginative
                        >> > fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                        >> > should
                        >> > not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                        > under
                        >> > the circumstances.
                        >> >
                        >> > It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                        >> > yourselves
                        >> > in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by
                        the
                        >> > compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                        > Both
                        >> > Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are
                        not
                        >> > free
                        >> > to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in
                        so
                        > far
                        >> > as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
                        to
                        >> > which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                        >> > investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                        >> > compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with
                        Dan
                        >> > and
                        >> > then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                        > control
                        >> > of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
                        disinterested
                        >> > party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                        >> > suspect
                        >> > because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                        >> > "part
                        >> > of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                        > and
                        >> > a
                        >> > reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                        >> > accordingly.
                        >> > Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                        >> > striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a
                        greater
                        > or
                        >> > lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it!
                        Your
                        >> > personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
                        > reproach,
                        >> > but
                        >> > your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                        >> > contradictory.
                        >> > Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
                        > you
                        >> > and
                        >> > general confusion in people's minds.
                        >> >
                        >> > They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                        > instant
                        >> > however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence
                        that
                        > is
                        >> > needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                        > think
                        >> > he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                        > judgement
                        >> > in
                        >> > the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time
                        in
                        > the
                        >> > future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                        > But
                        >> > the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan
                        and
                        >> > Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                        > things
                        >> > to do.
                        >> >
                        >> > Sincerely,
                        >> > Regan
                        >> >
                        >> >
                        >> > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > From: William Hamilton
                        >> > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                        >> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                        >> > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                        >> >
                        >> >
                        >> > Dex,
                        >> >
                        >> > A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets
                        posted
                        > on
                        >> > these forums
                        >> > about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
                        The
                        >> > Golden
                        >> > Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen
                        or
                        >> > understood
                        >> > Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to
                        fade
                        >> > out
                        >> > of
                        >> > ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                        >> >
                        >> > Sincerely,
                        >> >
                        >> > Bill Hamilton
                        >> > AstroScience Research
                        >> > http://www.astrosciences.info
                        >> > "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                        >> > incredible."
                        >> > Fred Hoyle
                        >> >
                        >> > ----- Original Message -----
                        >> > From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                        >> > To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                        >> > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                        >> > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                        >> >
                        >> > See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                        >> > A=Ann
                        >> > D=Dan B.
                        >> > M=Marci
                        >> > J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                        >> > --------------
                        >> > Dxx=Dondep
                        >> >
                        >> > Dex
                        >> > ******************************************************************
                        >> > Cross posting:
                        >> >
                        >> > Dondep wrote:
                        >> >
                        >> > And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                        >> >
                        >> > I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                        >> > feint,
                        >> > a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                        >> >
                        >> > I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
                        > of
                        >> > how
                        >> > the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                        >> > Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                        > response
                        >> > to
                        >> > some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                        >> >
                        >> > I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                        >> > instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line.
                        I
                        >> > think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the
                        May
                        >> > 18th
                        >> > induction last year.
                        >> >
                        >> > Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
                        from
                        >> > Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was
                        the
                        >> > author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as
                        worse;
                        > oh
                        >> > lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                        >> > 'religious
                        >> > institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                        > which
                        >> > is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me,
                        references
                        >> > made
                        >> > over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
                        triangulate
                        >> > what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have
                        anything
                        > to
                        >> > do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said
                        he
                        >> > would
                        >> > do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                        > doctorate
                        >> > is
                        >> > going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA
                        validate
                        > it
                        >> > in
                        >> > the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                        > something
                        >> > REAL.
                        >> >
                        >> > At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                        > assassination
                        >> > and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
                        being
                        >> > carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                        >> >
                        >> > I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe
                        forums":
                        >> >
                        >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                        >> >
                        >> > Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                        >> > Vance at GLP wrote:
                        >> >
                        >> > My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
                        US
                        >> > black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and
                        going
                        >> > around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if
                        there
                        >> > was
                        >> > a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
                        > opening
                        >> > his
                        >> > mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                        >> >
                        >> > I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
                        this
                        >> > simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                        > any
                        >> > of
                        >> > the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                        >> > conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                        >> > exist,
                        >> > but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be
                        used
                        > as
                        >> > a
                        >> > freebe disinfo tool.
                        >> >
                        >> > What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
                        > Have
                        >> > you
                        >> > ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
                        I'd
                        >> > like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                        >> > consider other claims he makes.
                        >> >
                        >> > Quoting: Vance 302106
                        >> >
                        >> > Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                        > free
                        >> > to talk about at all...."
                        >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                        > -------------------------
                        >> >
                        >> > That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                        >> > 'official'
                        >> > lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a
                        copy,
                        >> > complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we
                        have
                        >> > enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                        >> >
                        >> > "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of
                        your
                        >> > abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                        >> > reality,
                        >> > as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to
                        the
                        >> > population of the world. ....."
                        >> >
                        >> > It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
                        To
                        >> > Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit
                        of
                        >> > April 13th, 2005:
                        >> >
                        >> > "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the
                        negotiations
                        > of
                        >> > a
                        >> > treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
                        Humanity",
                        >> > between present human authorities and certain individuals
                        representing
                        >> > themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
                        > you
                        >> > as
                        >> > the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had
                        physical
                        >> > interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                        >> > 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence
                        of
                        > the
                        >> > gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
                        stipulated
                        >> > that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                        >> > yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                        >> > currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
                        > by
                        >> > the
                        >> > issuing authority."
                        >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                        > ---------------------------
                        >> >
                        >> > The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at
                        [link
                        > to
                        >> > www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                        >> >
                        >> > When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                        > lawyer,
                        >> > Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me
                        to
                        >> > help
                        >> > promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long
                        as
                        >> > they
                        >> > would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming
                        poleshift.
                        >> >
                        >> > Todd wrote:
                        >> > He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                        >> > McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                        >> > generated
                        >> > with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                        >> > amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                        >> > diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                        > prove
                        >> > any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still
                        writing
                        >> > books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                        >> >
                        >> > Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                        >> >
                        >> > AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                        > use,
                        >> > the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
                        of
                        >> > McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan
                        knows
                        >> > him
                        >> > as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because
                        of
                        >> > all
                        >> > the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                        > Dan
                        >> > but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
                        he
                        >> > "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his
                        personality
                        > a
                        >> > lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
                        and
                        >> > day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's
                        filet-o-fish
                        >> > sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one
                        while
                        > on
                        >> > a
                        >> > teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
                        cigars,
                        >> > which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit
                        in
                        > as
                        >> > temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found
                        before
                        >> > that
                        >> > happened.
                        >> >
                        >> > But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him
                        on
                        >> > record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                        > he'll
                        >> > deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                        > day!
                        >> >
                        >> > As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's
                        an
                        >> > admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                        > when
                        >> > in
                        >> > fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get
                        Dan
                        > in
                        >> > front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's
                        already
                        >> > had
                        >> > to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                        >> > community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                        >> > them.
                        >> >
                        >> > JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                        >> > Hoi all,
                        >> > Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                        >> > I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                        >> > I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                        > correct.
                        >> > Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                        > 10%
                        >> > is
                        >> > correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                        >> > unknown.
                        >> > JAn
                        >> >
                        >> > Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                        >> >
                        >> > JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                        >> > treehouse
                        >> > Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                        > Oct
                        >> > 2,
                        >> > 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                        >> > blinded
                        >> > by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell
                        are
                        >> > also
                        >> > DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
                        occasional
                        >> > lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                        >> > colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
                        bogus
                        >> > paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any
                        fault
                        >> > with
                        >> > the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed
                        the
                        >> > ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                        >> > independent
                        >> > thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                        >> > public
                        >> > explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                        >> > questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                        >> > started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to
                        play
                        > the
                        >> > role of Dan.}
                        >> >
                        >> > The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
                        > least
                        >> > 10%
                        >> > lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the
                        99%
                        >> > isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes
                        of
                        >> > Dick
                        >> > Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest
                        of
                        > the
                        >> > military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders'
                        and
                        >> > signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                        > thing,
                        >> > but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                        > the
                        >> > future of humanity.
                        >> >
                        >> > George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                        >> > .........
                        >> > When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                        > still
                        >> > leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
                        "October",
                        >> > that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                        > interest
                        >> > in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                        >> > fantasies,
                        >> > maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                        > group
                        >> > somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                        > the
                        >> > email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                        > discuss
                        >> > the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                        > Dan's
                        >> > mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
                        > what
                        >> > she
                        >> > has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                        > wife...oh,
                        >> > and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                        >> > reconciliation,
                        >> > it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                        > (Maybe
                        >> > someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
                        at
                        >> > this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a
                        friend
                        > who
                        >> > is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that
                        Dan
                        >> > Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                        >> > researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                        >> > project
                        >> > but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
                        didn't
                        >> > know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                        > difference
                        >> > it
                        >> > should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
                        ridiculous---but
                        >> > that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again
                        and
                        >> > explain further.
                        >> >
                        >> > Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                        >> >
                        >> > Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                        >> > appears
                        >> > the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last
                        bit
                        > in
                        >> > a
                        >> > follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at
                        least
                        >> > once
                        >> > and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after
                        she
                        > got
                        >> > off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                        >> > business
                        >> > with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                        >> > community
                        >> > was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                        > the
                        >> > fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                        >> > Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                        >> > accused
                        >> > her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                        >> >
                        >> > I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
                        > question
                        >> > as
                        >> > to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell"
                        right,
                        >> > and
                        >> > believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                        >> > sinker
                        >> > for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
                        Burisch
                        >> > 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
                        > that
                        >> > the
                        >> > information that's been important isn't so much what's been
                        volunteered
                        > to
                        >> > me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                        >> > shied
                        >> > away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                        > admitted
                        >> > to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                        > the
                        >> > Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                        > what
                        >> > they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda
                        like
                        >> > that? Hmmmmmm......
                        >> >
                        >> > Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4
                        complex.
                        >> > But
                        >> > then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                        >> > corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
                        what
                        >> > that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                        >> > George
                        >> > Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the
                        day
                        >> > when
                        >> > Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                        >> > evidence
                        >> > to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams
                        and
                        >> > first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                        > balance
                        >> > of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE
                        ISSUE.
                        >> > "The
                        >> > tissue ain't the issue!"
                        >> >
                        >> > You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                        >> > Doreen
                        >> > spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know
                        about
                        >> > such
                        >> > a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
                        > received,
                        >> > or
                        >> > the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
                        > or 2
                        >> > of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                        >> > could
                        >> > spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
                        their
                        >> > Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                        >> > actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                        >> >
                        >> > Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                        > changes
                        >> > become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                        >> >
                        >> > Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                        >> > Hey DonDep!!
                        >> >
                        >> > Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a
                        thread
                        > on
                        >> > an
                        >> > artifact dealing with time.
                        >> >
                        >> > Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                        > work
                        >> > of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative
                        ease.
                        >> >
                        >> > Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                        validation
                        >> > what-so-ever.
                        >> >
                        >> > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                        >> >
                        >> > I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
                        > did
                        >> > or
                        >> > did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                        >> >
                        >> > Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                        > you.
                        >> >
                        >> > I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                        >> >
                        >> > Namaste
                        >> > Z
                        >> >
                        >> > Quoting: zacksavage
                        >> >
                        >> > Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                        >> > original
                        >> > travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama
                        that
                        >> > once
                        >> > permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                        > there
                        >> > during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                        > able
                        >> > to
                        >> > chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                        > were
                        >> > all naive to it.
                        >> >
                        >> > The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                        >> > black-ops
                        >> > trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                        >> > Reason
                        >> > argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
                        all
                        >> > being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling
                        us,
                        >> > via
                        >> > the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
                        have
                        >> > been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted
                        by
                        >> > them
                        >> > by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
                        > which
                        >> > we
                        >> > then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                        >> > Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op;
                        how
                        >> > conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                        > had',
                        >> > as
                        >> > if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't
                        he
                        > use
                        >> > it?"
                        >> >
                        >> > That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one
                        more
                        >> > black
                        >> > compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                        > Moses;
                        >> > then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a
                        photo-oppable
                        >> > FBI
                        >> > team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this
                        scenario
                        >> > seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                        > merciful
                        >> > God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good
                        for
                        >> > America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                        >> > .......
                        >> > "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                        > validation
                        >> > what-so-ever.
                        >> >
                        >> > At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                        >> >
                        >> > Therein lies the quandary!
                        >> >
                        >> > As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                        > over
                        >> > something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                        > couple
                        >> > of
                        >> > months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back
                        away
                        >> > but
                        >> > there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                        > always
                        >> > had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some
                        things.
                        >> >
                        >> > Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are
                        MAJOR.
                        >> > But,
                        >> > we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives
                        here
                        >> > having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
                        > City,
                        >> > the
                        >> > idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled
                        with
                        > the
                        >> > fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
                        > place
                        >> > to
                        >> > be trapped in either when the time came.
                        >> >
                        >> > "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                        >> > words.
                        >> > _________________
                        >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                        >> > Dondep or Dagwood
                        >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                        >> > #420
                        >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                        >> >
                        >> > Dondep
                        >> > Moderator
                        >> >
                        >> > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                        >> > Posts: 255
                        >> > Location: Las Vegas
                        >> > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci
                        and
                        >> > Ann
                        >> >
                        >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                        >> >
                        >> > Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                        >> >
                        >> > Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                        >> > Dadmiral
                        >> > is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the
                        'T-2'
                        >> > calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                        >> >
                        >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                        >> >
                        >> > J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility,
                        which
                        > you
                        >> > have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing
                        what
                        >> > you
                        >> > said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
                        Future
                        >> > visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could
                        hit
                        > us!
                        >> > That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                        >> > Looking
                        >> > Glass showed.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                        >> >
                        >> > J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                        > case
                        >> > we
                        >> > can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                        > some
                        >> > time.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                        >> >
                        >> > J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                        >> >
                        >> > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                        > There
                        >> > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                        >> > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                        > with
                        >> > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                        >> > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                        > Back
                        >> > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                        >> >
                        >> > J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher
                        probability
                        > of
                        >> > impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                        > range.
                        >> > I
                        >> > believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                        > thing.
                        >> > This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                        >> > subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                        >> >
                        >> > J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                        >> >
                        >> > M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                        > provisions
                        >> > was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in
                        the
                        >> > way
                        >> > of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we
                        weren't
                        >> > told
                        >> > of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                        >> >
                        >> > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us
                        getting
                        > the
                        >> > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                        >> >
                        >> > A: Dxx, silly!
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                        >> > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                        >> > issues
                        >> > are apples and oranges to me.
                        >> >
                        >> > J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
                        critical.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
                        > readying a
                        >> > protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
                        zero
                        >> > location?
                        >> >
                        >> > J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
                        > hitting
                        >> > us,
                        >> > and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
                        it
                        >> > would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                        >> >
                        >> > J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                        > war
                        >> > quicker! (laughing)
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Not funny!
                        >> >
                        >> > M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as
                        funny
                        >> > either.
                        >> >
                        >> > J: Look Dan -
                        >> >
                        >> > D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately
                        get,
                        > I
                        >> > am
                        >> > going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                        >> >
                        >> > J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                        >> >
                        >> > D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                        >> > understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                        > have
                        >> > been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
                        we
                        >> > have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to
                        the
                        >> > public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                        > withhold
                        >> > critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                        >> >
                        >> > A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that
                        we've
                        >> > changed the course pushing us off T2.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or
                        after?
                        >> >
                        >> > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                        > glasses.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have
                        no
                        >> > choice but to announce what I've learned!
                        >> >
                        >> > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a
                        possibility
                        >> > that
                        >> > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the
                        mainstream
                        >> > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji
                        was
                        >> > not
                        >> > the full story.
                        >> >
                        >> > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                        > claims
                        >> > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                        >> >
                        >> > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Thank you!
                        >> >
                        >> > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                        >> > Majestic
                        >> > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                        >> >
                        >> > J: Not really, it will miss us.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                        > sure
                        >> > it will miss us?
                        >> >
                        >> > J: The numbers say it will miss.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or
                        after?
                        >> >
                        >> > J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                        > glasses.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have
                        no
                        >> > choice but to announce what I've learned!
                        >> >
                        >> > J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a
                        possibility
                        >> > that
                        >> > Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the
                        mainstream
                        >> > media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji
                        was
                        >> > not
                        >> > the full story.
                        >> >
                        >> > J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                        > claims
                        >> > of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                        >> >
                        >> > M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                        >> >
                        >> > D: Thank you!
                        >> >
                        >> > A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                        >> > Majestic
                        >> > hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                        >> > _________________
                        >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                        >> > Dondep or Dagwood
                        >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                        >> > #420
                        >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                        >> >
                        >> > Back to top
                        >> >
                        >> > Dondep
                        >> > Moderator
                        >> >
                        >> > Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                        >> > Posts: 255
                        >> > Location: Las Vegas
                        >> > Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                        >> >
                        >> > ----------------------------------------------------------
                        >> >
                        >> > Clarifications
                        >> >
                        >> > Dan wrote:
                        >> > D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                        > There
                        >> > is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                        >> > believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                        > with
                        >> > him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                        >> > talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                        > Back
                        >> > to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                        >> >
                        >> > Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I
                        tried
                        > to
                        >> > speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                        >> > Hilton
                        >> > you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and
                        call
                        > us
                        >> > back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet
                        X
                        >> > thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation
                        aside.
                        >> > The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                        >> > exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never
                        heard,
                        >> > and
                        >> > it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                        > wrong
                        >> > moments.
                        >> >
                        >> > Ann wrote:
                        >> > A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us
                        getting
                        > the
                        >> > XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                        >> >
                        >> > Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                        >> >
                        >> > Dan wrote:
                        >> > D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                        >> > whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                        >> > issues
                        >> > are apples and oranges to me.
                        >> >
                        >> > Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                        > Marci,
                        >> > Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether
                        to
                        >> > laugh
                        >> > out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                        >> > _________________
                        >> > Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                        >> > Dondep or Dagwood
                        >> > 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                        >> > #420
                        >> > Las Vegas, NV 89121
                      • masanga@talktalk.net
                        Hi Ted, I see that you haven t lost any of your notable talent for making caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your aiming skill
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                          Hi Ted,

                          I see that you haven't lost any of your notable talent for making
                          caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your
                          aiming skill has got a bit rusty, I fear. You see, I never pretended to be
                          an investigator of anything, not of UFOs and definitely not the Dan Burisch
                          case, neither from my archmair nor in the field. So I'd like to know who is
                          calling me one because whoever it is has not done their investigative
                          homework properly before making that derogatory judgement of me.

                          But if my daring to discuss the Dan Burisch case at this forum
                          causes you to think that I am doing something illegitimate that entitles you
                          to sneer at me in this desultory way, then I think you are grossly
                          mistaken. I am perfectly entitled to discuss this case and Bill's
                          investigation of it too. Although I think he has done valiant work in
                          investigating it and reporting the results in his book "Project Aquarius",
                          his cannot be the only word on a case of this magnitude. We are all
                          entitled to a view, Ted, not just Bill and not just you. Besides that there
                          is essential evaluative work on the case which has still not been done and
                          until it is done by somebody there will be holes left in it, some of them
                          quite large. Don't criticise me for tackling these tasks which you have
                          done nothing to address.

                          Regan


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Ted
                          To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:10 AM
                          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                          Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
                          investigator
                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
                          To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
                          Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                          > Regan,
                          >
                          > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                          > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                          > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                          > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                          > Its just not there.
                          >
                          > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                          > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                          >
                          > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                          > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                          > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                          >
                          > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                          > UFO case, then be my guest.
                          >
                          > Bill
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: <masanga@...>
                          > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                          > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                          > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                          >
                          >
                          >> Bill,
                          >>
                          >> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
                          >> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                          >> to
                          >> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also providing
                          >> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and lurid
                          >> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
                          >> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
                          >> we
                          >> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
                          >> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they will
                          >> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
                          >> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                          >> like
                          >> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                          >> Dan
                          >> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                          >>
                          >> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's radical
                          >> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                          >> think
                          >> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come out
                          >> of
                          >> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                          >> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
                          >> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import of
                          >> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are assessed
                          >> as
                          >> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                          >> message
                          >> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                          >> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                          >> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                          >> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                          >> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                          >> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                          >> be
                          >> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they can
                          >> do
                          >> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                          >> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                          >> should
                          >> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                          >> under
                          >> the circumstances.
                          >>
                          >> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                          >> yourselves
                          >> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                          >> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking. Both
                          >> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                          >> free
                          >> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                          >> far
                          >> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
                          >> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                          >> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                          >> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                          >> and
                          >> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                          >> control
                          >> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
                          >> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                          >> suspect
                          >> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                          >> "part
                          >> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer and
                          >> a
                          >> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                          >> accordingly.
                          >> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                          >> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                          >> or
                          >> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                          >> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
                          >> but
                          >> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                          >> contradictory.
                          >> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
                          >> and
                          >> general confusion in people's minds.
                          >>
                          >> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                          >> instant
                          >> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that is
                          >> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                          >> think
                          >> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their judgement
                          >> in
                          >> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                          >> the
                          >> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                          >> But
                          >> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                          >> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                          >> things
                          >> to do.
                          >>
                          >> Sincerely,
                          >> Regan
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> From: William Hamilton
                          >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                          >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                          >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Dex,
                          >>
                          >> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                          >> on
                          >> these forums
                          >> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
                          >> Golden
                          >> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                          >> understood
                          >> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                          >> out
                          >> of
                          >> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                          >>
                          >> Sincerely,
                          >>
                          >> Bill Hamilton
                          >> AstroScience Research
                          >> http://www.astrosciences.info
                          >> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                          >> incredible."
                          >> Fred Hoyle
                          >>
                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                          >> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                          >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                          >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                          >>
                          >> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                          >> A=Ann
                          >> D=Dan B.
                          >> M=Marci
                          >> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                          >> --------------
                          >> Dxx=Dondep
                          >>
                          >> Dex
                          >> ******************************************************************
                          >> Cross posting:
                          >>
                          >> Dondep wrote:
                          >>
                          >> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                          >>
                          >> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                          >> feint,
                          >> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                          >>
                          >> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
                          >> how
                          >> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                          >> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in response
                          >> to
                          >> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                          >>
                          >> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                          >> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                          >> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                          >> 18th
                          >> induction last year.
                          >>
                          >> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
                          >> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                          >> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                          >> oh
                          >> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                          >> 'religious
                          >> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                          >> which
                          >> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                          >> made
                          >> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
                          >> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                          >> to
                          >> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                          >> would
                          >> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn doctorate
                          >> is
                          >> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate it
                          >> in
                          >> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                          >> something
                          >> REAL.
                          >>
                          >> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                          >> assassination
                          >> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
                          >> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                          >>
                          >> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                          >>
                          >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                          >>
                          >> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                          >> Vance at GLP wrote:
                          >>
                          >> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
                          >> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                          >> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                          >> was
                          >> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
                          >> his
                          >> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                          >>
                          >> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
                          >> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did any
                          >> of
                          >> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                          >> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                          >> exist,
                          >> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                          >> as
                          >> a
                          >> freebe disinfo tool.
                          >>
                          >> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
                          >> you
                          >> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
                          >> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                          >> consider other claims he makes.
                          >>
                          >> Quoting: Vance 302106
                          >>
                          >> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                          >> free
                          >> to talk about at all...."
                          >> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                          >>
                          >> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                          >> 'official'
                          >> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                          >> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                          >> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                          >>
                          >> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                          >> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                          >> reality,
                          >> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                          >> population of the world. ....."
                          >>
                          >> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
                          >> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                          >> April 13th, 2005:
                          >>
                          >> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                          >> of
                          >> a
                          >> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
                          >> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                          >> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
                          >> as
                          >> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                          >> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                          >> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                          >> the
                          >> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
                          >> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                          >> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                          >> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
                          >> the
                          >> issuing authority."
                          >> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                          >>
                          >> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link to
                          >> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                          >>
                          >> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12 lawyer,
                          >> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                          >> help
                          >> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                          >> they
                          >> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                          >>
                          >> Todd wrote:
                          >> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                          >> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                          >> generated
                          >> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                          >> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                          >> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                          >> prove
                          >> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                          >> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                          >>
                          >> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                          >>
                          >> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to use,
                          >> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
                          >> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                          >> him
                          >> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                          >> all
                          >> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only Dan
                          >> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
                          >> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality a
                          >> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
                          >> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                          >> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                          >> on
                          >> a
                          >> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
                          >> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in as
                          >> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                          >> that
                          >> happened.
                          >>
                          >> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                          >> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                          >> he'll
                          >> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same day!
                          >>
                          >> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                          >> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over" when
                          >> in
                          >> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                          >> in
                          >> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                          >> had
                          >> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                          >> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                          >> them.
                          >>
                          >> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                          >> Hoi all,
                          >> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                          >> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                          >> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                          >> correct.
                          >> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if 10%
                          >> is
                          >> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                          >> unknown.
                          >> JAn
                          >>
                          >> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                          >>
                          >> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                          >> treehouse
                          >> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on Oct
                          >> 2,
                          >> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                          >> blinded
                          >> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                          >> also
                          >> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
                          >> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                          >> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
                          >> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                          >> with
                          >> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                          >> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                          >> independent
                          >> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                          >> public
                          >> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                          >> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                          >> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                          >> the
                          >> role of Dan.}
                          >>
                          >> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
                          >> 10%
                          >> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                          >> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                          >> Dick
                          >> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                          >> the
                          >> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                          >> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one thing,
                          >> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to the
                          >> future of humanity.
                          >>
                          >> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                          >> .........
                          >> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm still
                          >> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
                          >> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                          >> interest
                          >> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                          >> fantasies,
                          >> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                          >> group
                          >> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about the
                          >> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to discuss
                          >> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be Dan's
                          >> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
                          >> she
                          >> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's wife...oh,
                          >> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                          >> reconciliation,
                          >> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting. (Maybe
                          >> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
                          >> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                          >> who
                          >> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                          >> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                          >> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                          >> project
                          >> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
                          >> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what difference
                          >> it
                          >> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
                          >> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                          >> explain further.
                          >>
                          >> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                          >>
                          >> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                          >> appears
                          >> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                          >> in
                          >> a
                          >> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                          >> once
                          >> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                          >> got
                          >> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                          >> business
                          >> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                          >> community
                          >> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to the
                          >> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                          >> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                          >> accused
                          >> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                          >>
                          >> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
                          >> as
                          >> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                          >> and
                          >> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                          >> sinker
                          >> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
                          >> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
                          >> the
                          >> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                          >> to
                          >> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                          >> shied
                          >> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                          >> admitted
                          >> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or the
                          >> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of what
                          >> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                          >> that? Hmmmmmm......
                          >>
                          >> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                          >> But
                          >> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                          >> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
                          >> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                          >> George
                          >> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                          >> when
                          >> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                          >> evidence
                          >> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                          >> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                          >> balance
                          >> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                          >> "The
                          >> tissue ain't the issue!"
                          >>
                          >> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                          >> Doreen
                          >> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                          >> such
                          >> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
                          >> or
                          >> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or
                          >> 2
                          >> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                          >> could
                          >> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
                          >> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                          >> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                          >>
                          >> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                          >> changes
                          >> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                          >>
                          >> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                          >> Hey DonDep!!
                          >>
                          >> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread on
                          >> an
                          >> artifact dealing with time.
                          >>
                          >> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                          >> work
                          >> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                          >>
                          >> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
                          >> what-so-ever.
                          >>
                          >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                          >>
                          >> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
                          >> or
                          >> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                          >>
                          >> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                          >> you.
                          >>
                          >> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                          >>
                          >> Namaste
                          >> Z
                          >>
                          >> Quoting: zacksavage
                          >>
                          >> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                          >> original
                          >> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                          >> once
                          >> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                          >> there
                          >> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be able
                          >> to
                          >> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                          >> were
                          >> all naive to it.
                          >>
                          >> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                          >> black-ops
                          >> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                          >> Reason
                          >> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
                          >> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                          >> via
                          >> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
                          >> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                          >> them
                          >> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
                          >> we
                          >> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                          >> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                          >> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he had',
                          >> as
                          >> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                          >> use
                          >> it?"
                          >>
                          >> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                          >> black
                          >> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                          >> Moses;
                          >> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                          >> FBI
                          >> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                          >> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and merciful
                          >> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                          >> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                          >> .......
                          >> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
                          >> what-so-ever.
                          >>
                          >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                          >>
                          >> Therein lies the quandary!
                          >>
                          >> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff' over
                          >> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a couple
                          >> of
                          >> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                          >> but
                          >> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've always
                          >> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                          >>
                          >> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                          >> But,
                          >> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                          >> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
                          >> the
                          >> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                          >> the
                          >> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
                          >> to
                          >> be trapped in either when the time came.
                          >>
                          >> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                          >> words.
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                          >> Dondep
                          >> Moderator
                          >>
                          >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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                          >> Location: Las Vegas
                          >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                          >> Ann
                          >>
                          >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                          >>
                          >> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                          >>
                          >> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                          >> Dadmiral
                          >> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                          >> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                          >>
                          >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                          >>
                          >> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                          >> you
                          >> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                          >> you
                          >> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
                          >> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                          >> us!
                          >> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                          >> Looking
                          >> Glass showed.
                          >>
                          >> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                          >>
                          >> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in case
                          >> we
                          >> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                          >> some
                          >> time.
                          >>
                          >> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                          >>
                          >> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                          >>
                          >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                          >> There
                          >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                          >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                          >> with
                          >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                          >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                          >> Back
                          >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                          >>
                          >> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability of
                          >> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                          >> range.
                          >> I
                          >> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                          >>
                          >> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved thing.
                          >> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                          >> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                          >>
                          >> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                          >>
                          >> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of provisions
                          >> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                          >> way
                          >> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                          >> told
                          >> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                          >>
                          >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                          >> the
                          >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                          >>
                          >> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                          >>
                          >> A: Dxx, silly!
                          >>
                          >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                          >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                          >> issues
                          >> are apples and oranges to me.
                          >>
                          >> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
                          >>
                          >> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying
                          >> a
                          >> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
                          >> location?
                          >>
                          >> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                          >>
                          >> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
                          >> us,
                          >> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
                          >> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                          >>
                          >> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the war
                          >> quicker! (laughing)
                          >>
                          >> D: Not funny!
                          >>
                          >> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                          >> either.
                          >>
                          >> J: Look Dan -
                          >>
                          >> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get, I
                          >> am
                          >> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                          >>
                          >> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                          >>
                          >> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                          >> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should have
                          >> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
                          >> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                          >> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You withhold
                          >> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                          >>
                          >> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                          >> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                          >>
                          >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                          >>
                          >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                          >> glasses.
                          >>
                          >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                          >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                          >>
                          >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                          >>
                          >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                          >> that
                          >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                          >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                          >> not
                          >> the full story.
                          >>
                          >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                          >> claims
                          >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                          >>
                          >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                          >>
                          >> D: Thank you!
                          >>
                          >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                          >> Majestic
                          >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                          >>
                          >> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                          >>
                          >> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                          >>
                          >> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                          >> sure
                          >> it will miss us?
                          >>
                          >> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                          >>
                          >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                          >>
                          >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                          >> glasses.
                          >>
                          >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                          >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                          >>
                          >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                          >>
                          >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                          >> that
                          >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                          >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                          >> not
                          >> the full story.
                          >>
                          >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                          >> claims
                          >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                          >>
                          >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                          >>
                          >> D: Thank you!
                          >>
                          >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                          >> Majestic
                          >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
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                          >>
                          >> Dondep
                          >> Moderator
                          >>
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                          >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                          >>
                          >> ----------------------------------------------------------
                          >>
                          >> Clarifications
                          >>
                          >> Dan wrote:
                          >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                          >> There
                          >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                          >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                          >> with
                          >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                          >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                          >> Back
                          >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                          >>
                          >> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried to
                          >> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                          >> Hilton
                          >> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                          >> us
                          >> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                          >> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                          >> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                          >> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                          >> and
                          >> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                          >> wrong
                          >> moments.
                          >>
                          >> Ann wrote:
                          >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                          >> the
                          >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                          >>
                          >> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                          >>
                          >> Dan wrote:
                          >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                          >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                          >> issues
                          >> are apples and oranges to me.
                          >>
                          >> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with Marci,
                          >> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                          >> laugh
                          >> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
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                        • Ted
                          Regan, Thanks for that well thought out response. I guess I had it coming. As for it being caustic, maybe it was a bit over the top and for that I apologize.
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                            Regan,
                            Thanks for that well thought out response. I guess I had it coming.
                            As for it being caustic, maybe it was a bit over the top and for that I
                            apologize.
                            As you stated in your post, I know longer am doing my show. Maybe it's
                            because of the same reason Bill has stepped back.
                            That said, I still keep an ear to the net. I guess once you've walked the
                            mile , it's hard to get the dust off.
                            I have enjoyed your comments over the yrs, and have admired the way you put
                            words to screen, then to hear you , seemingly to attack Bill, I fired back
                            without thinking.
                            Now that I no longer do the show, maybe I've gotten jaded a bit.
                            Allot of what I see are individuals claiming to do the work needed to bring
                            a good investigation , instead all they want is to speak at someone's
                            conference, or to get their 15 minutes on the tube.
                            There are others that I respect in this field that don't believe in Dan, as
                            they think Dan's full of crap. I also defend them, as I've done for Bill.
                            Good research is hard work and takes a long time , if you're going to get it
                            right. Are there things left out , of course. They have also walked the so
                            called mile in their investigation of Dan.
                            So who do I believe, both , I guess.
                            Only time will tell Or not.
                            Finely , you were correct to call me out. Rightfully so.
                            It is scheduled for Dan to be asked questioned at an up coming conference.
                            Then maybe we'll get the questions you posed and maybe then we'll get the
                            answers we all want.
                            Ted
                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: <masanga@...>
                            To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                            Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:24 AM
                            Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                            > Hi Ted,
                            >
                            > I see that you haven't lost any of your notable talent for making
                            > caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your
                            > aiming skill has got a bit rusty, I fear. You see, I never pretended to
                            > be
                            > an investigator of anything, not of UFOs and definitely not the Dan
                            > Burisch
                            > case, neither from my archmair nor in the field. So I'd like to know who
                            > is
                            > calling me one because whoever it is has not done their investigative
                            > homework properly before making that derogatory judgement of me.
                            >
                            > But if my daring to discuss the Dan Burisch case at this forum
                            > causes you to think that I am doing something illegitimate that entitles
                            > you
                            > to sneer at me in this desultory way, then I think you are grossly
                            > mistaken. I am perfectly entitled to discuss this case and Bill's
                            > investigation of it too. Although I think he has done valiant work in
                            > investigating it and reporting the results in his book "Project Aquarius",
                            > his cannot be the only word on a case of this magnitude. We are all
                            > entitled to a view, Ted, not just Bill and not just you. Besides that
                            > there
                            > is essential evaluative work on the case which has still not been done and
                            > until it is done by somebody there will be holes left in it, some of them
                            > quite large. Don't criticise me for tackling these tasks which you have
                            > done nothing to address.
                            >
                            > Regan
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Ted
                            > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:10 AM
                            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                            >
                            >
                            > Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
                            > investigator
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
                            > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                            > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
                            > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                            >
                            >
                            >> Regan,
                            >>
                            >> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                            >> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                            >> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                            >> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                            >> Its just not there.
                            >>
                            >> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                            >> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                            >>
                            >> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                            >> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                            >> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                            >>
                            >> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                            >> UFO case, then be my guest.
                            >>
                            >> Bill
                            >>
                            >>
                            >> ----- Original Message -----
                            >> From: <masanga@...>
                            >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                            >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                            >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                            >>
                            >>
                            >>> Bill,
                            >>>
                            >>> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
                            >>> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                            >>> to
                            >>> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                            >>> providing
                            >>> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                            >>> lurid
                            >>> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
                            >>> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
                            >>> we
                            >>> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
                            >>> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                            >>> will
                            >>> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
                            >>> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                            >>> like
                            >>> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                            >>> Dan
                            >>> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                            >>>
                            >>> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                            >>> radical
                            >>> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                            >>> think
                            >>> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                            >>> out
                            >>> of
                            >>> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                            >>> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
                            >>> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                            >>> of
                            >>> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                            >>> assessed
                            >>> as
                            >>> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                            >>> message
                            >>> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                            >>> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                            >>> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                            >>> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                            >>> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                            >>> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                            >>> be
                            >>> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                            >>> can
                            >>> do
                            >>> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                            >>> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                            >>> should
                            >>> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                            >>> under
                            >>> the circumstances.
                            >>>
                            >>> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                            >>> yourselves
                            >>> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                            >>> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                            >>> Both
                            >>> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                            >>> free
                            >>> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                            >>> far
                            >>> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
                            >>> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                            >>> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                            >>> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                            >>> and
                            >>> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                            >>> control
                            >>> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
                            >>> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                            >>> suspect
                            >>> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                            >>> "part
                            >>> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                            >>> and
                            >>> a
                            >>> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                            >>> accordingly.
                            >>> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                            >>> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                            >>> or
                            >>> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                            >>> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
                            >>> but
                            >>> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                            >>> contradictory.
                            >>> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
                            >>> and
                            >>> general confusion in people's minds.
                            >>>
                            >>> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                            >>> instant
                            >>> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                            >>> is
                            >>> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                            >>> think
                            >>> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                            >>> judgement
                            >>> in
                            >>> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                            >>> the
                            >>> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                            >>> But
                            >>> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                            >>> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                            >>> things
                            >>> to do.
                            >>>
                            >>> Sincerely,
                            >>> Regan
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> ----- Original Message -----
                            >>> From: William Hamilton
                            >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                            >>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                            >>> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                            >>>
                            >>>
                            >>> Dex,
                            >>>
                            >>> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                            >>> on
                            >>> these forums
                            >>> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
                            >>> Golden
                            >>> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                            >>> understood
                            >>> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                            >>> out
                            >>> of
                            >>> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                            >>>
                            >>> Sincerely,
                            >>>
                            >>> Bill Hamilton
                            >>> AstroScience Research
                            >>> http://www.astrosciences.info
                            >>> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                            >>> incredible."
                            >>> Fred Hoyle
                            >>>
                            >>> ----- Original Message -----
                            >>> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                            >>> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                            >>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                            >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                            >>>
                            >>> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                            >>> A=Ann
                            >>> D=Dan B.
                            >>> M=Marci
                            >>> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                            >>> --------------
                            >>> Dxx=Dondep
                            >>>
                            >>> Dex
                            >>> ******************************************************************
                            >>> Cross posting:
                            >>>
                            >>> Dondep wrote:
                            >>>
                            >>> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                            >>>
                            >>> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                            >>> feint,
                            >>> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                            >>>
                            >>> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
                            >>> how
                            >>> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                            >>> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                            >>> response
                            >>> to
                            >>> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                            >>>
                            >>> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                            >>> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                            >>> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                            >>> 18th
                            >>> induction last year.
                            >>>
                            >>> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
                            >>> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                            >>> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                            >>> oh
                            >>> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                            >>> 'religious
                            >>> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                            >>> which
                            >>> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                            >>> made
                            >>> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
                            >>> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                            >>> to
                            >>> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                            >>> would
                            >>> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                            >>> doctorate
                            >>> is
                            >>> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                            >>> it
                            >>> in
                            >>> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                            >>> something
                            >>> REAL.
                            >>>
                            >>> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                            >>> assassination
                            >>> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
                            >>> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                            >>>
                            >>> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                            >>>
                            >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                            >>>
                            >>> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                            >>> Vance at GLP wrote:
                            >>>
                            >>> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
                            >>> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                            >>> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                            >>> was
                            >>> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
                            >>> his
                            >>> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                            >>>
                            >>> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
                            >>> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                            >>> any
                            >>> of
                            >>> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                            >>> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                            >>> exist,
                            >>> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                            >>> as
                            >>> a
                            >>> freebe disinfo tool.
                            >>>
                            >>> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
                            >>> you
                            >>> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
                            >>> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                            >>> consider other claims he makes.
                            >>>
                            >>> Quoting: Vance 302106
                            >>>
                            >>> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                            >>> free
                            >>> to talk about at all...."
                            >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                            >>>
                            >>> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                            >>> 'official'
                            >>> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                            >>> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                            >>> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                            >>>
                            >>> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                            >>> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                            >>> reality,
                            >>> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                            >>> population of the world. ....."
                            >>>
                            >>> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
                            >>> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                            >>> April 13th, 2005:
                            >>>
                            >>> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                            >>> of
                            >>> a
                            >>> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
                            >>> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                            >>> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
                            >>> as
                            >>> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                            >>> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                            >>> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                            >>> the
                            >>> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
                            >>> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                            >>> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                            >>> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
                            >>> the
                            >>> issuing authority."
                            >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                            >>>
                            >>> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                            >>> to
                            >>> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                            >>>
                            >>> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                            >>> lawyer,
                            >>> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                            >>> help
                            >>> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                            >>> they
                            >>> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                            >>>
                            >>> Todd wrote:
                            >>> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                            >>> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                            >>> generated
                            >>> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                            >>> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                            >>> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                            >>> prove
                            >>> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                            >>> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                            >>>
                            >>> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                            >>>
                            >>> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                            >>> use,
                            >>> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
                            >>> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                            >>> him
                            >>> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                            >>> all
                            >>> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                            >>> Dan
                            >>> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
                            >>> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                            >>> a
                            >>> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
                            >>> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                            >>> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                            >>> on
                            >>> a
                            >>> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
                            >>> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                            >>> as
                            >>> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                            >>> that
                            >>> happened.
                            >>>
                            >>> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                            >>> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                            >>> he'll
                            >>> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                            >>> day!
                            >>>
                            >>> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                            >>> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                            >>> when
                            >>> in
                            >>> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                            >>> in
                            >>> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                            >>> had
                            >>> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                            >>> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                            >>> them.
                            >>>
                            >>> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                            >>> Hoi all,
                            >>> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                            >>> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                            >>> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                            >>> correct.
                            >>> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                            >>> 10%
                            >>> is
                            >>> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                            >>> unknown.
                            >>> JAn
                            >>>
                            >>> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                            >>>
                            >>> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                            >>> treehouse
                            >>> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                            >>> Oct
                            >>> 2,
                            >>> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                            >>> blinded
                            >>> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                            >>> also
                            >>> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
                            >>> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                            >>> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
                            >>> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                            >>> with
                            >>> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                            >>> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                            >>> independent
                            >>> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                            >>> public
                            >>> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                            >>> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                            >>> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                            >>> the
                            >>> role of Dan.}
                            >>>
                            >>> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
                            >>> 10%
                            >>> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                            >>> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                            >>> Dick
                            >>> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                            >>> the
                            >>> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                            >>> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                            >>> thing,
                            >>> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                            >>> the
                            >>> future of humanity.
                            >>>
                            >>> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                            >>> .........
                            >>> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                            >>> still
                            >>> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
                            >>> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                            >>> interest
                            >>> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                            >>> fantasies,
                            >>> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                            >>> group
                            >>> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                            >>> the
                            >>> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                            >>> discuss
                            >>> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                            >>> Dan's
                            >>> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
                            >>> she
                            >>> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                            >>> wife...oh,
                            >>> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                            >>> reconciliation,
                            >>> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                            >>> (Maybe
                            >>> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
                            >>> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                            >>> who
                            >>> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                            >>> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                            >>> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                            >>> project
                            >>> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
                            >>> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                            >>> difference
                            >>> it
                            >>> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
                            >>> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                            >>> explain further.
                            >>>
                            >>> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                            >>>
                            >>> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                            >>> appears
                            >>> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                            >>> in
                            >>> a
                            >>> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                            >>> once
                            >>> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                            >>> got
                            >>> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                            >>> business
                            >>> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                            >>> community
                            >>> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                            >>> the
                            >>> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                            >>> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                            >>> accused
                            >>> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                            >>>
                            >>> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
                            >>> as
                            >>> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                            >>> and
                            >>> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                            >>> sinker
                            >>> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
                            >>> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
                            >>> the
                            >>> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                            >>> to
                            >>> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                            >>> shied
                            >>> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                            >>> admitted
                            >>> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                            >>> the
                            >>> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                            >>> what
                            >>> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                            >>> that? Hmmmmmm......
                            >>>
                            >>> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                            >>> But
                            >>> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                            >>> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
                            >>> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                            >>> George
                            >>> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                            >>> when
                            >>> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                            >>> evidence
                            >>> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                            >>> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                            >>> balance
                            >>> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                            >>> "The
                            >>> tissue ain't the issue!"
                            >>>
                            >>> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                            >>> Doreen
                            >>> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                            >>> such
                            >>> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
                            >>> or
                            >>> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or
                            >>> 2
                            >>> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                            >>> could
                            >>> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
                            >>> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                            >>> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                            >>>
                            >>> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                            >>> changes
                            >>> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                            >>>
                            >>> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                            >>> Hey DonDep!!
                            >>>
                            >>> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                            >>> on
                            >>> an
                            >>> artifact dealing with time.
                            >>>
                            >>> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                            >>> work
                            >>> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                            >>>
                            >>> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
                            >>> what-so-ever.
                            >>>
                            >>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                            >>>
                            >>> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
                            >>> or
                            >>> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                            >>>
                            >>> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                            >>> you.
                            >>>
                            >>> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                            >>>
                            >>> Namaste
                            >>> Z
                            >>>
                            >>> Quoting: zacksavage
                            >>>
                            >>> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                            >>> original
                            >>> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                            >>> once
                            >>> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                            >>> there
                            >>> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                            >>> able
                            >>> to
                            >>> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                            >>> were
                            >>> all naive to it.
                            >>>
                            >>> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                            >>> black-ops
                            >>> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                            >>> Reason
                            >>> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
                            >>> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                            >>> via
                            >>> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
                            >>> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                            >>> them
                            >>> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
                            >>> we
                            >>> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                            >>> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                            >>> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                            >>> had',
                            >>> as
                            >>> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                            >>> use
                            >>> it?"
                            >>>
                            >>> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                            >>> black
                            >>> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                            >>> Moses;
                            >>> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                            >>> FBI
                            >>> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                            >>> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                            >>> merciful
                            >>> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                            >>> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                            >>> .......
                            >>> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                            >>> validation
                            >>> what-so-ever.
                            >>>
                            >>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                            >>>
                            >>> Therein lies the quandary!
                            >>>
                            >>> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                            >>> over
                            >>> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                            >>> couple
                            >>> of
                            >>> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                            >>> but
                            >>> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                            >>> always
                            >>> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                            >>>
                            >>> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                            >>> But,
                            >>> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                            >>> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
                            >>> the
                            >>> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                            >>> the
                            >>> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
                            >>> to
                            >>> be trapped in either when the time came.
                            >>>
                            >>> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                            >>> words.
                            >>> _________________
                            >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                            >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                            >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                            >>> #420
                            >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                            >>>
                            >>> Dondep
                            >>> Moderator
                            >>>
                            >>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                            >>> Posts: 255
                            >>> Location: Las Vegas
                            >>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                            >>> Ann
                            >>>
                            >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                            >>>
                            >>> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                            >>>
                            >>> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                            >>> Dadmiral
                            >>> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                            >>> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                            >>>
                            >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                            >>>
                            >>> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                            >>> you
                            >>> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                            >>> you
                            >>> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
                            >>> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                            >>> us!
                            >>> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                            >>> Looking
                            >>> Glass showed.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                            >>>
                            >>> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                            >>> case
                            >>> we
                            >>> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                            >>> some
                            >>> time.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                            >>>
                            >>> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                            >>>
                            >>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                            >>> There
                            >>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                            >>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                            >>> with
                            >>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                            >>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                            >>> Back
                            >>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                            >>>
                            >>> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                            >>> of
                            >>> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                            >>> range.
                            >>> I
                            >>> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                            >>> thing.
                            >>> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                            >>> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                            >>>
                            >>> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                            >>>
                            >>> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                            >>> provisions
                            >>> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                            >>> way
                            >>> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                            >>> told
                            >>> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                            >>>
                            >>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                            >>> the
                            >>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                            >>>
                            >>> A: Dxx, silly!
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                            >>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                            >>> issues
                            >>> are apples and oranges to me.
                            >>>
                            >>> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying
                            >>> a
                            >>> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
                            >>> location?
                            >>>
                            >>> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
                            >>> us,
                            >>> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
                            >>> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                            >>>
                            >>> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                            >>> war
                            >>> quicker! (laughing)
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Not funny!
                            >>>
                            >>> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                            >>> either.
                            >>>
                            >>> J: Look Dan -
                            >>>
                            >>> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                            >>> I
                            >>> am
                            >>> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                            >>>
                            >>> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                            >>>
                            >>> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                            >>> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                            >>> have
                            >>> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
                            >>> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                            >>> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                            >>> withhold
                            >>> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                            >>>
                            >>> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                            >>> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                            >>>
                            >>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                            >>> glasses.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                            >>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                            >>>
                            >>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                            >>> that
                            >>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                            >>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                            >>> not
                            >>> the full story.
                            >>>
                            >>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                            >>> claims
                            >>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                            >>>
                            >>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Thank you!
                            >>>
                            >>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                            >>> Majestic
                            >>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                            >>>
                            >>> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                            >>> sure
                            >>> it will miss us?
                            >>>
                            >>> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                            >>>
                            >>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                            >>> glasses.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                            >>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                            >>>
                            >>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                            >>> that
                            >>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                            >>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                            >>> not
                            >>> the full story.
                            >>>
                            >>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                            >>> claims
                            >>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                            >>>
                            >>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                            >>>
                            >>> D: Thank you!
                            >>>
                            >>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                            >>> Majestic
                            >>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                            >>> _________________
                            >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                            >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                            >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                            >>> #420
                            >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                            >>>
                            >>> Back to top
                            >>>
                            >>> Dondep
                            >>> Moderator
                            >>>
                            >>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                            >>> Posts: 255
                            >>> Location: Las Vegas
                            >>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                            >>>
                            >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                            >>>
                            >>> Clarifications
                            >>>
                            >>> Dan wrote:
                            >>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                            >>> There
                            >>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                            >>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                            >>> with
                            >>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                            >>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                            >>> Back
                            >>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                            >>>
                            >>> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                            >>> to
                            >>> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                            >>> Hilton
                            >>> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                            >>> us
                            >>> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                            >>> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                            >>> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                            >>> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                            >>> and
                            >>> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                            >>> wrong
                            >>> moments.
                            >>>
                            >>> Ann wrote:
                            >>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                            >>> the
                            >>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                            >>>
                            >>> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                            >>>
                            >>> Dan wrote:
                            >>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                            >>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                            >>> issues
                            >>> are apples and oranges to me.
                            >>>
                            >>> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                            >>> Marci,
                            >>> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                            >>> laugh
                            >>> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                            >>> _________________
                            >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                            >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                            >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                            >>> #420
                            >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
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                          • masanga@talktalk.net
                            That was a magnificent and gracious apology, Ted. All is forgiven. I think you have shown yourself to be a big person and definitely one of the good guys. :-)
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                              That was a magnificent and gracious apology, Ted. All is forgiven.
                              I think you have shown yourself to be a big person and definitely one of the
                              good guys. :-)

                              If you ever get back to doing your show let me know and if it's
                              accessible on the net I'll tune into it. (I live in Britain so it would be
                              a bit difficult otherwise.)

                              I'm sure you must have met all types of characters when you were
                              doing your show and I can imagine that you could have got burn-out from it
                              too.

                              Regarding the Dan Burisch case, the evaluative work that I spoke of
                              really concerns the wider implications of the case (mostly concerning the
                              nature and character of the secret government) if we assume that Dan is
                              telling the truth. To date the media seem to have focussed almost
                              exclusively on the personalities involved in the case, with the result that
                              there has just been more and more controversy surrounding it that has become
                              quite bizarre and ridiculous in places. I can well believe that Bill has
                              got burn-out from having to face and deal with so much obtuse, dishonest and
                              frivolous nonsense continually - it would probably drive me to apoplexy!
                              How much of it has been due to the secret government's deliberate
                              confusion-sowing and how much has been due to the media's need to stir up
                              conflict and controversy anyway in order to sell copy, I wouldn't want to
                              guess. But I do think that the important questions which the case raises
                              cannot be explored by following this popular path of personal judgement and
                              credibility evaluation. To my mind it's getting overdue for us to focus on
                              the impersonal aspects of the case now.

                              I am hoping you are right in thinking that Dan might address some of
                              these wider issues at his forthcoming conference, although if it is the same
                              one that Bill referred to in an earlier post of his I would expect it to be
                              dominated by questions of science. However I think we have enough raw data
                              to go on already to be able to draw some significant conclusions.

                              Sincere regards,
                              Regan


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Ted
                              To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:50 PM
                              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                              Regan,
                              Thanks for that well thought out response. I guess I had it coming.
                              As for it being caustic, maybe it was a bit over the top and for that I
                              apologize.
                              As you stated in your post, I know longer am doing my show. Maybe it's
                              because of the same reason Bill has stepped back.
                              That said, I still keep an ear to the net. I guess once you've walked the
                              mile , it's hard to get the dust off.
                              I have enjoyed your comments over the yrs, and have admired the way you put
                              words to screen, then to hear you , seemingly to attack Bill, I fired back
                              without thinking.
                              Now that I no longer do the show, maybe I've gotten jaded a bit.
                              Allot of what I see are individuals claiming to do the work needed to bring
                              a good investigation , instead all they want is to speak at someone's
                              conference, or to get their 15 minutes on the tube.
                              There are others that I respect in this field that don't believe in Dan, as
                              they think Dan's full of crap. I also defend them, as I've done for Bill.
                              Good research is hard work and takes a long time , if you're going to get it
                              right. Are there things left out , of course. They have also walked the so
                              called mile in their investigation of Dan.
                              So who do I believe, both , I guess.
                              Only time will tell Or not.
                              Finely , you were correct to call me out. Rightfully so.
                              It is scheduled for Dan to be asked questioned at an up coming conference.
                              Then maybe we'll get the questions you posed and maybe then we'll get the
                              answers we all want.
                              Ted
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: <masanga@...>
                              To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:24 AM
                              Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                              > Hi Ted,
                              >
                              > I see that you haven't lost any of your notable talent for making
                              > caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your
                              > aiming skill has got a bit rusty, I fear. You see, I never pretended to
                              > be
                              > an investigator of anything, not of UFOs and definitely not the Dan
                              > Burisch
                              > case, neither from my archmair nor in the field. So I'd like to know who
                              > is
                              > calling me one because whoever it is has not done their investigative
                              > homework properly before making that derogatory judgement of me.
                              >
                              > But if my daring to discuss the Dan Burisch case at this forum
                              > causes you to think that I am doing something illegitimate that entitles
                              > you
                              > to sneer at me in this desultory way, then I think you are grossly
                              > mistaken. I am perfectly entitled to discuss this case and Bill's
                              > investigation of it too. Although I think he has done valiant work in
                              > investigating it and reporting the results in his book "Project Aquarius",
                              > his cannot be the only word on a case of this magnitude. We are all
                              > entitled to a view, Ted, not just Bill and not just you. Besides that
                              > there
                              > is essential evaluative work on the case which has still not been done and
                              > until it is done by somebody there will be holes left in it, some of them
                              > quite large. Don't criticise me for tackling these tasks which you have
                              > done nothing to address.
                              >
                              > Regan
                              >
                              >
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: Ted
                              > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:10 AM
                              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                              >
                              >
                              > Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
                              > investigator
                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
                              > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                              > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
                              > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                              >
                              >
                              >> Regan,
                              >>
                              >> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                              >> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                              >> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                              >> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                              >> Its just not there.
                              >>
                              >> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                              >> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                              >>
                              >> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                              >> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                              >> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                              >>
                              >> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                              >> UFO case, then be my guest.
                              >>
                              >> Bill
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> From: <masanga@...>
                              >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                              >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                              >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>> Bill,
                              >>>
                              >>> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
                              >>> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                              >>> to
                              >>> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                              >>> providing
                              >>> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                              >>> lurid
                              >>> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
                              >>> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
                              >>> we
                              >>> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
                              >>> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                              >>> will
                              >>> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
                              >>> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                              >>> like
                              >>> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                              >>> Dan
                              >>> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                              >>>
                              >>> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                              >>> radical
                              >>> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                              >>> think
                              >>> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                              >>> out
                              >>> of
                              >>> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                              >>> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
                              >>> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                              >>> of
                              >>> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                              >>> assessed
                              >>> as
                              >>> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                              >>> message
                              >>> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                              >>> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                              >>> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                              >>> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                              >>> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                              >>> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                              >>> be
                              >>> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                              >>> can
                              >>> do
                              >>> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                              >>> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                              >>> should
                              >>> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                              >>> under
                              >>> the circumstances.
                              >>>
                              >>> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                              >>> yourselves
                              >>> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                              >>> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                              >>> Both
                              >>> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                              >>> free
                              >>> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                              >>> far
                              >>> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
                              >>> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                              >>> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                              >>> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                              >>> and
                              >>> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                              >>> control
                              >>> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
                              >>> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                              >>> suspect
                              >>> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                              >>> "part
                              >>> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                              >>> and
                              >>> a
                              >>> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                              >>> accordingly.
                              >>> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                              >>> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                              >>> or
                              >>> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                              >>> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
                              >>> but
                              >>> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                              >>> contradictory.
                              >>> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
                              >>> and
                              >>> general confusion in people's minds.
                              >>>
                              >>> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                              >>> instant
                              >>> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                              >>> is
                              >>> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                              >>> think
                              >>> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                              >>> judgement
                              >>> in
                              >>> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                              >>> the
                              >>> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                              >>> But
                              >>> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                              >>> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                              >>> things
                              >>> to do.
                              >>>
                              >>> Sincerely,
                              >>> Regan
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> ----- Original Message -----
                              >>> From: William Hamilton
                              >>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                              >>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                              >>> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> Dex,
                              >>>
                              >>> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                              >>> on
                              >>> these forums
                              >>> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
                              >>> Golden
                              >>> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                              >>> understood
                              >>> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                              >>> out
                              >>> of
                              >>> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                              >>>
                              >>> Sincerely,
                              >>>
                              >>> Bill Hamilton
                              >>> AstroScience Research
                              >>> http://www.astrosciences.info
                              >>> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                              >>> incredible."
                              >>> Fred Hoyle
                              >>>
                              >>> ----- Original Message -----
                              >>> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                              >>> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                              >>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                              >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                              >>>
                              >>> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                              >>> A=Ann
                              >>> D=Dan B.
                              >>> M=Marci
                              >>> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                              >>> --------------
                              >>> Dxx=Dondep
                              >>>
                              >>> Dex
                              >>> ******************************************************************
                              >>> Cross posting:
                              >>>
                              >>> Dondep wrote:
                              >>>
                              >>> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                              >>>
                              >>> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                              >>> feint,
                              >>> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                              >>>
                              >>> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
                              >>> how
                              >>> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                              >>> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                              >>> response
                              >>> to
                              >>> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                              >>>
                              >>> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                              >>> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                              >>> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                              >>> 18th
                              >>> induction last year.
                              >>>
                              >>> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
                              >>> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                              >>> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                              >>> oh
                              >>> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                              >>> 'religious
                              >>> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                              >>> which
                              >>> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                              >>> made
                              >>> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
                              >>> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                              >>> to
                              >>> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                              >>> would
                              >>> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                              >>> doctorate
                              >>> is
                              >>> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                              >>> it
                              >>> in
                              >>> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                              >>> something
                              >>> REAL.
                              >>>
                              >>> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                              >>> assassination
                              >>> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
                              >>> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                              >>>
                              >>> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                              >>>
                              >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                              >>>
                              >>> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                              >>> Vance at GLP wrote:
                              >>>
                              >>> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
                              >>> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                              >>> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                              >>> was
                              >>> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
                              >>> his
                              >>> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                              >>>
                              >>> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
                              >>> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                              >>> any
                              >>> of
                              >>> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                              >>> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                              >>> exist,
                              >>> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                              >>> as
                              >>> a
                              >>> freebe disinfo tool.
                              >>>
                              >>> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
                              >>> you
                              >>> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
                              >>> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                              >>> consider other claims he makes.
                              >>>
                              >>> Quoting: Vance 302106
                              >>>
                              >>> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                              >>> free
                              >>> to talk about at all...."
                              >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                              >>>
                              >>> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                              >>> 'official'
                              >>> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                              >>> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                              >>> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                              >>>
                              >>> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                              >>> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                              >>> reality,
                              >>> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                              >>> population of the world. ....."
                              >>>
                              >>> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
                              >>> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                              >>> April 13th, 2005:
                              >>>
                              >>> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                              >>> of
                              >>> a
                              >>> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
                              >>> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                              >>> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
                              >>> as
                              >>> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                              >>> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                              >>> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                              >>> the
                              >>> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
                              >>> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                              >>> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                              >>> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
                              >>> the
                              >>> issuing authority."
                              >>> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                              >>>
                              >>> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                              >>> to
                              >>> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                              >>>
                              >>> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                              >>> lawyer,
                              >>> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                              >>> help
                              >>> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                              >>> they
                              >>> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                              >>>
                              >>> Todd wrote:
                              >>> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                              >>> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                              >>> generated
                              >>> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                              >>> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                              >>> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                              >>> prove
                              >>> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                              >>> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                              >>>
                              >>> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                              >>>
                              >>> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                              >>> use,
                              >>> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
                              >>> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                              >>> him
                              >>> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                              >>> all
                              >>> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                              >>> Dan
                              >>> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
                              >>> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                              >>> a
                              >>> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
                              >>> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                              >>> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                              >>> on
                              >>> a
                              >>> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
                              >>> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                              >>> as
                              >>> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                              >>> that
                              >>> happened.
                              >>>
                              >>> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                              >>> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                              >>> he'll
                              >>> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                              >>> day!
                              >>>
                              >>> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                              >>> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                              >>> when
                              >>> in
                              >>> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                              >>> in
                              >>> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                              >>> had
                              >>> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                              >>> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                              >>> them.
                              >>>
                              >>> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                              >>> Hoi all,
                              >>> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                              >>> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                              >>> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                              >>> correct.
                              >>> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                              >>> 10%
                              >>> is
                              >>> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                              >>> unknown.
                              >>> JAn
                              >>>
                              >>> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                              >>>
                              >>> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                              >>> treehouse
                              >>> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                              >>> Oct
                              >>> 2,
                              >>> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                              >>> blinded
                              >>> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                              >>> also
                              >>> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
                              >>> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                              >>> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
                              >>> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                              >>> with
                              >>> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                              >>> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                              >>> independent
                              >>> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                              >>> public
                              >>> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                              >>> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                              >>> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                              >>> the
                              >>> role of Dan.}
                              >>>
                              >>> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
                              >>> 10%
                              >>> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                              >>> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                              >>> Dick
                              >>> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                              >>> the
                              >>> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                              >>> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                              >>> thing,
                              >>> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                              >>> the
                              >>> future of humanity.
                              >>>
                              >>> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                              >>> .........
                              >>> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                              >>> still
                              >>> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
                              >>> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                              >>> interest
                              >>> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                              >>> fantasies,
                              >>> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                              >>> group
                              >>> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                              >>> the
                              >>> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                              >>> discuss
                              >>> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                              >>> Dan's
                              >>> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
                              >>> she
                              >>> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                              >>> wife...oh,
                              >>> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                              >>> reconciliation,
                              >>> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                              >>> (Maybe
                              >>> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
                              >>> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                              >>> who
                              >>> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                              >>> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                              >>> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                              >>> project
                              >>> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
                              >>> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                              >>> difference
                              >>> it
                              >>> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
                              >>> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                              >>> explain further.
                              >>>
                              >>> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                              >>>
                              >>> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                              >>> appears
                              >>> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                              >>> in
                              >>> a
                              >>> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                              >>> once
                              >>> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                              >>> got
                              >>> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                              >>> business
                              >>> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                              >>> community
                              >>> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                              >>> the
                              >>> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                              >>> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                              >>> accused
                              >>> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                              >>>
                              >>> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
                              >>> as
                              >>> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                              >>> and
                              >>> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                              >>> sinker
                              >>> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
                              >>> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
                              >>> the
                              >>> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                              >>> to
                              >>> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                              >>> shied
                              >>> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                              >>> admitted
                              >>> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                              >>> the
                              >>> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                              >>> what
                              >>> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                              >>> that? Hmmmmmm......
                              >>>
                              >>> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                              >>> But
                              >>> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                              >>> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
                              >>> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                              >>> George
                              >>> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                              >>> when
                              >>> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                              >>> evidence
                              >>> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                              >>> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                              >>> balance
                              >>> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                              >>> "The
                              >>> tissue ain't the issue!"
                              >>>
                              >>> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                              >>> Doreen
                              >>> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                              >>> such
                              >>> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
                              >>> or
                              >>> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or
                              >>> 2
                              >>> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                              >>> could
                              >>> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
                              >>> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                              >>> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                              >>>
                              >>> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                              >>> changes
                              >>> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                              >>>
                              >>> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                              >>> Hey DonDep!!
                              >>>
                              >>> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                              >>> on
                              >>> an
                              >>> artifact dealing with time.
                              >>>
                              >>> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                              >>> work
                              >>> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                              >>>
                              >>> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
                              >>> what-so-ever.
                              >>>
                              >>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                              >>>
                              >>> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
                              >>> or
                              >>> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                              >>>
                              >>> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                              >>> you.
                              >>>
                              >>> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                              >>>
                              >>> Namaste
                              >>> Z
                              >>>
                              >>> Quoting: zacksavage
                              >>>
                              >>> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                              >>> original
                              >>> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                              >>> once
                              >>> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                              >>> there
                              >>> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                              >>> able
                              >>> to
                              >>> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                              >>> were
                              >>> all naive to it.
                              >>>
                              >>> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                              >>> black-ops
                              >>> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                              >>> Reason
                              >>> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
                              >>> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                              >>> via
                              >>> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
                              >>> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                              >>> them
                              >>> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
                              >>> we
                              >>> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                              >>> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                              >>> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                              >>> had',
                              >>> as
                              >>> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                              >>> use
                              >>> it?"
                              >>>
                              >>> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                              >>> black
                              >>> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                              >>> Moses;
                              >>> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                              >>> FBI
                              >>> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                              >>> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                              >>> merciful
                              >>> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                              >>> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                              >>> .......
                              >>> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                              >>> validation
                              >>> what-so-ever.
                              >>>
                              >>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                              >>>
                              >>> Therein lies the quandary!
                              >>>
                              >>> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                              >>> over
                              >>> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                              >>> couple
                              >>> of
                              >>> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                              >>> but
                              >>> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                              >>> always
                              >>> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                              >>>
                              >>> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                              >>> But,
                              >>> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                              >>> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
                              >>> the
                              >>> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                              >>> the
                              >>> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
                              >>> to
                              >>> be trapped in either when the time came.
                              >>>
                              >>> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                              >>> words.
                              >>> _________________
                              >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                              >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                              >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                              >>> #420
                              >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                              >>>
                              >>> Dondep
                              >>> Moderator
                              >>>
                              >>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                              >>> Posts: 255
                              >>> Location: Las Vegas
                              >>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                              >>> Ann
                              >>>
                              >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                              >>>
                              >>> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                              >>>
                              >>> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                              >>> Dadmiral
                              >>> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                              >>> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                              >>>
                              >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                              >>>
                              >>> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                              >>> you
                              >>> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                              >>> you
                              >>> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
                              >>> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                              >>> us!
                              >>> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                              >>> Looking
                              >>> Glass showed.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                              >>>
                              >>> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                              >>> case
                              >>> we
                              >>> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                              >>> some
                              >>> time.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                              >>>
                              >>> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                              >>>
                              >>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                              >>> There
                              >>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                              >>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                              >>> with
                              >>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                              >>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                              >>> Back
                              >>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                              >>>
                              >>> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                              >>> of
                              >>> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                              >>> range.
                              >>> I
                              >>> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                              >>> thing.
                              >>> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                              >>> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                              >>>
                              >>> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                              >>>
                              >>> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                              >>> provisions
                              >>> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                              >>> way
                              >>> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                              >>> told
                              >>> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                              >>>
                              >>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                              >>> the
                              >>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                              >>>
                              >>> A: Dxx, silly!
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                              >>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                              >>> issues
                              >>> are apples and oranges to me.
                              >>>
                              >>> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying
                              >>> a
                              >>> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
                              >>> location?
                              >>>
                              >>> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
                              >>> us,
                              >>> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
                              >>> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                              >>>
                              >>> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                              >>> war
                              >>> quicker! (laughing)
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Not funny!
                              >>>
                              >>> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                              >>> either.
                              >>>
                              >>> J: Look Dan -
                              >>>
                              >>> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                              >>> I
                              >>> am
                              >>> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                              >>>
                              >>> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                              >>>
                              >>> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                              >>> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                              >>> have
                              >>> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
                              >>> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                              >>> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                              >>> withhold
                              >>> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                              >>>
                              >>> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                              >>> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                              >>>
                              >>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                              >>> glasses.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                              >>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                              >>>
                              >>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                              >>> that
                              >>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                              >>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                              >>> not
                              >>> the full story.
                              >>>
                              >>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                              >>> claims
                              >>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                              >>>
                              >>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Thank you!
                              >>>
                              >>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                              >>> Majestic
                              >>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                              >>>
                              >>> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                              >>> sure
                              >>> it will miss us?
                              >>>
                              >>> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                              >>>
                              >>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                              >>> glasses.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                              >>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                              >>>
                              >>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                              >>> that
                              >>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                              >>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                              >>> not
                              >>> the full story.
                              >>>
                              >>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                              >>> claims
                              >>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                              >>>
                              >>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                              >>>
                              >>> D: Thank you!
                              >>>
                              >>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                              >>> Majestic
                              >>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                              >>> _________________
                              >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                              >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                              >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                              >>> #420
                              >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                              >>>
                              >>> Back to top
                              >>>
                              >>> Dondep
                              >>> Moderator
                              >>>
                              >>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                              >>> Posts: 255
                              >>> Location: Las Vegas
                              >>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                              >>>
                              >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                              >>>
                              >>> Clarifications
                              >>>
                              >>> Dan wrote:
                              >>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                              >>> There
                              >>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                              >>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                              >>> with
                              >>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                              >>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                              >>> Back
                              >>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                              >>>
                              >>> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                              >>> to
                              >>> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                              >>> Hilton
                              >>> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                              >>> us
                              >>> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                              >>> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                              >>> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                              >>> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                              >>> and
                              >>> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                              >>> wrong
                              >>> moments.
                              >>>
                              >>> Ann wrote:
                              >>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                              >>> the
                              >>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                              >>>
                              >>> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                              >>>
                              >>> Dan wrote:
                              >>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                              >>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                              >>> issues
                              >>> are apples and oranges to me.
                              >>>
                              >>> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                              >>> Marci,
                              >>> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                              >>> laugh
                              >>> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                              >>> _________________
                              >>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                              >>> Dondep or Dagwood
                              >>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                              >>> #420
                              >>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                            • Ted
                              Regan Most , in this fickle field are good guys but, with self serving motives. As for my show , it ran for over 11 yrs. and when I finished , there were
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                                Regan

                                Most , in this fickle field are good guys but, with self serving motives.
                                As for my show , it ran for over 11 yrs. and when I finished , there were
                                over a thousand interviews in the can and over 600 ran live . And if one,
                                thinks TV is easy, try doing it LIVE.
                                It wasn't the show that caused the burn out it was those that were
                                the so called investigators, or researchers, NOT.
                                Wanting to break the big case without doing the necessary leg work .
                                Taking others research and using it as their own.I could name a whole slew
                                of those characters but I won't. The field will have to do there own
                                weeding, not me.
                                My show ran in England around 96. That was when the now defunked ufo mag.
                                was making its rounds. NOT Graham Birdsawh Mag.
                                I think it was called UFO Reality, they're the ones distributing it to the
                                stations.
                                Regan , keep up the great questions, that should keep them hopping.
                                And if I can be of any help to you in the future , please don't hesitate to
                                send an email. One more thing , if I sound off again , feel free to keep
                                me in line..
                                Ted----- Original Message -----
                                From: <masanga@...>
                                To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:15 PM
                                Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


                                > That was a magnificent and gracious apology, Ted. All is forgiven.
                                > I think you have shown yourself to be a big person and definitely one of
                                > the
                                > good guys. :-)
                                >
                                > If you ever get back to doing your show let me know and if it's
                                > accessible on the net I'll tune into it. (I live in Britain so it would
                                > be
                                > a bit difficult otherwise.)
                                >
                                > I'm sure you must have met all types of characters when you were
                                > doing your show and I can imagine that you could have got burn-out from it
                                > too.
                                >
                                > Regarding the Dan Burisch case, the evaluative work that I spoke of
                                > really concerns the wider implications of the case (mostly concerning the
                                > nature and character of the secret government) if we assume that Dan is
                                > telling the truth. To date the media seem to have focussed almost
                                > exclusively on the personalities involved in the case, with the result
                                > that
                                > there has just been more and more controversy surrounding it that has
                                > become
                                > quite bizarre and ridiculous in places. I can well believe that Bill has
                                > got burn-out from having to face and deal with so much obtuse, dishonest
                                > and
                                > frivolous nonsense continually - it would probably drive me to apoplexy!
                                > How much of it has been due to the secret government's deliberate
                                > confusion-sowing and how much has been due to the media's need to stir up
                                > conflict and controversy anyway in order to sell copy, I wouldn't want to
                                > guess. But I do think that the important questions which the case raises
                                > cannot be explored by following this popular path of personal judgement
                                > and
                                > credibility evaluation. To my mind it's getting overdue for us to focus
                                > on
                                > the impersonal aspects of the case now.
                                >
                                > I am hoping you are right in thinking that Dan might address some
                                > of
                                > these wider issues at his forthcoming conference, although if it is the
                                > same
                                > one that Bill referred to in an earlier post of his I would expect it to
                                > be
                                > dominated by questions of science. However I think we have enough raw
                                > data
                                > to go on already to be able to draw some significant conclusions.
                                >
                                > Sincere regards,
                                > Regan
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Ted
                                > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:50 PM
                                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                                >
                                >
                                > Regan,
                                > Thanks for that well thought out response. I guess I had it coming.
                                > As for it being caustic, maybe it was a bit over the top and for that I
                                > apologize.
                                > As you stated in your post, I know longer am doing my show. Maybe it's
                                > because of the same reason Bill has stepped back.
                                > That said, I still keep an ear to the net. I guess once you've walked
                                > the
                                > mile , it's hard to get the dust off.
                                > I have enjoyed your comments over the yrs, and have admired the way you
                                > put
                                > words to screen, then to hear you , seemingly to attack Bill, I fired back
                                > without thinking.
                                > Now that I no longer do the show, maybe I've gotten jaded a bit.
                                > Allot of what I see are individuals claiming to do the work needed to
                                > bring
                                > a good investigation , instead all they want is to speak at someone's
                                > conference, or to get their 15 minutes on the tube.
                                > There are others that I respect in this field that don't believe in Dan,
                                > as
                                > they think Dan's full of crap. I also defend them, as I've done for
                                > Bill.
                                > Good research is hard work and takes a long time , if you're going to get
                                > it
                                > right. Are there things left out , of course. They have also walked the
                                > so
                                > called mile in their investigation of Dan.
                                > So who do I believe, both , I guess.
                                > Only time will tell Or not.
                                > Finely , you were correct to call me out. Rightfully so.
                                > It is scheduled for Dan to be asked questioned at an up coming conference.
                                > Then maybe we'll get the questions you posed and maybe then we'll get the
                                > answers we all want.
                                > Ted
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: <masanga@...>
                                > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:24 AM
                                > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                                >
                                >
                                >> Hi Ted,
                                >>
                                >> I see that you haven't lost any of your notable talent for making
                                >> caustic one liners while Ufodiscussion has been off the air. But your
                                >> aiming skill has got a bit rusty, I fear. You see, I never pretended to
                                >> be
                                >> an investigator of anything, not of UFOs and definitely not the Dan
                                >> Burisch
                                >> case, neither from my archmair nor in the field. So I'd like to know who
                                >> is
                                >> calling me one because whoever it is has not done their investigative
                                >> homework properly before making that derogatory judgement of me.
                                >>
                                >> But if my daring to discuss the Dan Burisch case at this forum
                                >> causes you to think that I am doing something illegitimate that entitles
                                >> you
                                >> to sneer at me in this desultory way, then I think you are grossly
                                >> mistaken. I am perfectly entitled to discuss this case and Bill's
                                >> investigation of it too. Although I think he has done valiant work in
                                >> investigating it and reporting the results in his book "Project
                                >> Aquarius",
                                >> his cannot be the only word on a case of this magnitude. We are all
                                >> entitled to a view, Ted, not just Bill and not just you. Besides that
                                >> there
                                >> is essential evaluative work on the case which has still not been done
                                >> and
                                >> until it is done by somebody there will be holes left in it, some of them
                                >> quite large. Don't criticise me for tackling these tasks which you have
                                >> done nothing to address.
                                >>
                                >> Regan
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> ----- Original Message -----
                                >> From: Ted
                                >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:10 AM
                                >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
                                >> investigator
                                >> ----- Original Message -----
                                >> From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
                                >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                >> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
                                >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>> Regan,
                                >>>
                                >>> I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
                                >>> all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
                                >>> evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
                                >>> Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
                                >>> Its just not there.
                                >>>
                                >>> I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
                                >>> is about all one can do in a UFO case.
                                >>>
                                >>> Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
                                >>> video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
                                >>> jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
                                >>>
                                >>> If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
                                >>> UFO case, then be my guest.
                                >>>
                                >>> Bill
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                >>> From: <masanga@...>
                                >>> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
                                >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
                                >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>> Bill,
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology
                                >>>> in
                                >>>> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
                                >>>> to
                                >>>> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also
                                >>>> providing
                                >>>> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and
                                >>>> lurid
                                >>>> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to
                                >>>> come
                                >>>> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus
                                >>>> far
                                >>>> we
                                >>>> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public
                                >>>> requires
                                >>>> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they
                                >>>> will
                                >>>> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation
                                >>>> in
                                >>>> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
                                >>>> like
                                >>>> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
                                >>>> Dan
                                >>>> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's
                                >>>> radical
                                >>>> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
                                >>>> think
                                >>>> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come
                                >>>> out
                                >>>> of
                                >>>> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
                                >>>> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in
                                >>>> ufology
                                >>>> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import
                                >>>> of
                                >>>> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are
                                >>>> assessed
                                >>>> as
                                >>>> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
                                >>>> message
                                >>>> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
                                >>>> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
                                >>>> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
                                >>>> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
                                >>>> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
                                >>>> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
                                >>>> be
                                >>>> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they
                                >>>> can
                                >>>> do
                                >>>> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
                                >>>> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
                                >>>> should
                                >>>> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
                                >>>> under
                                >>>> the circumstances.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
                                >>>> yourselves
                                >>>> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
                                >>>> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking.
                                >>>> Both
                                >>>> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
                                >>>> free
                                >>>> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
                                >>>> far
                                >>>> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority
                                >>>> to
                                >>>> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
                                >>>> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
                                >>>> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
                                >>>> and
                                >>>> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
                                >>>> control
                                >>>> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a
                                >>>> disinterested
                                >>>> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
                                >>>> suspect
                                >>>> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
                                >>>> "part
                                >>>> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer
                                >>>> and
                                >>>> a
                                >>>> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
                                >>>> accordingly.
                                >>>> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
                                >>>> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
                                >>>> or
                                >>>> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
                                >>>> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond
                                >>>> reproach,
                                >>>> but
                                >>>> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
                                >>>> contradictory.
                                >>>> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about
                                >>>> you
                                >>>> and
                                >>>> general confusion in people's minds.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
                                >>>> instant
                                >>>> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that
                                >>>> is
                                >>>> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
                                >>>> think
                                >>>> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their
                                >>>> judgement
                                >>>> in
                                >>>> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
                                >>>> But
                                >>>> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
                                >>>> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
                                >>>> things
                                >>>> to do.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Sincerely,
                                >>>> Regan
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                >>>> From: William Hamilton
                                >>>> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
                                >>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
                                >>>> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                                >>>>
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Dex,
                                >>>>
                                >>>> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
                                >>>> on
                                >>>> these forums
                                >>>> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself.
                                >>>> The
                                >>>> Golden
                                >>>> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
                                >>>> understood
                                >>>> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
                                >>>> out
                                >>>> of
                                >>>> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Sincerely,
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Bill Hamilton
                                >>>> AstroScience Research
                                >>>> http://www.astrosciences.info
                                >>>> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
                                >>>> incredible."
                                >>>> Fred Hoyle
                                >>>>
                                >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                >>>> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
                                >>>> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
                                >>>> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
                                >>>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
                                >>>> A=Ann
                                >>>> D=Dan B.
                                >>>> M=Marci
                                >>>> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
                                >>>> --------------
                                >>>> Dxx=Dondep
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Dex
                                >>>> ******************************************************************
                                >>>> Cross posting:
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Dondep wrote:
                                >>>>
                                >>>> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
                                >>>> feint,
                                >>>> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot
                                >>>> of
                                >>>> how
                                >>>> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
                                >>>> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in
                                >>>> response
                                >>>> to
                                >>>> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
                                >>>> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
                                >>>> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
                                >>>> 18th
                                >>>> induction last year.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails
                                >>>> from
                                >>>> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
                                >>>> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
                                >>>> oh
                                >>>> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
                                >>>> 'religious
                                >>>> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
                                >>>> which
                                >>>> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
                                >>>> made
                                >>>> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to
                                >>>> triangulate
                                >>>> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
                                >>>> to
                                >>>> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
                                >>>> would
                                >>>> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn
                                >>>> doctorate
                                >>>> is
                                >>>> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate
                                >>>> it
                                >>>> in
                                >>>> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
                                >>>> something
                                >>>> REAL.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
                                >>>> assassination
                                >>>> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are
                                >>>> being
                                >>>> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
                                >>>>
                                >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
                                >>>> Vance at GLP wrote:
                                >>>>
                                >>>> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something
                                >>>> US
                                >>>> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
                                >>>> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
                                >>>> was
                                >>>> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be
                                >>>> opening
                                >>>> his
                                >>>> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by
                                >>>> this
                                >>>> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did
                                >>>> any
                                >>>> of
                                >>>> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
                                >>>> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
                                >>>> exist,
                                >>>> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
                                >>>> as
                                >>>> a
                                >>>> freebe disinfo tool.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem?
                                >>>> Have
                                >>>> you
                                >>>> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what
                                >>>> I'd
                                >>>> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
                                >>>> consider other claims he makes.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Quoting: Vance 302106
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
                                >>>> free
                                >>>> to talk about at all...."
                                >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
                                >>>>
                                >>>> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
                                >>>> 'official'
                                >>>> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
                                >>>> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
                                >>>> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
                                >>>>
                                >>>> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
                                >>>> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
                                >>>> reality,
                                >>>> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
                                >>>> population of the world. ....."
                                >>>>
                                >>>> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request
                                >>>> To
                                >>>> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
                                >>>> April 13th, 2005:
                                >>>>
                                >>>> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
                                >>>> of
                                >>>> a
                                >>>> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of
                                >>>> Humanity",
                                >>>> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
                                >>>> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to
                                >>>> you
                                >>>> as
                                >>>> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
                                >>>> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
                                >>>> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."),
                                >>>> stipulated
                                >>>> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
                                >>>> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
                                >>>> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged
                                >>>> by
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> issuing authority."
                                >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
                                >>>>
                                >>>> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link
                                >>>> to
                                >>>> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
                                >>>>
                                >>>> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12
                                >>>> lawyer,
                                >>>> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
                                >>>> help
                                >>>> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
                                >>>> they
                                >>>> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Todd wrote:
                                >>>> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
                                >>>> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
                                >>>> generated
                                >>>> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
                                >>>> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
                                >>>> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
                                >>>> prove
                                >>>> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
                                >>>> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
                                >>>>
                                >>>> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to
                                >>>> use,
                                >>>> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture
                                >>>> of
                                >>>> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
                                >>>> him
                                >>>> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
                                >>>> all
                                >>>> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only
                                >>>> Dan
                                >>>> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that
                                >>>> he
                                >>>> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality
                                >>>> a
                                >>>> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in
                                >>>> and
                                >>>> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
                                >>>> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
                                >>>> on
                                >>>> a
                                >>>> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine
                                >>>> cigars,
                                >>>> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in
                                >>>> as
                                >>>> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
                                >>>> that
                                >>>> happened.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
                                >>>> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
                                >>>> he'll
                                >>>> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same
                                >>>> day!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
                                >>>> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over"
                                >>>> when
                                >>>> in
                                >>>> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
                                >>>> in
                                >>>> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
                                >>>> had
                                >>>> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
                                >>>> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
                                >>>> them.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
                                >>>> Hoi all,
                                >>>> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
                                >>>> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
                                >>>> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
                                >>>> correct.
                                >>>> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if
                                >>>> 10%
                                >>>> is
                                >>>> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
                                >>>> unknown.
                                >>>> JAn
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
                                >>>>
                                >>>> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
                                >>>> treehouse
                                >>>> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on
                                >>>> Oct
                                >>>> 2,
                                >>>> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
                                >>>> blinded
                                >>>> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
                                >>>> also
                                >>>> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their
                                >>>> occasional
                                >>>> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
                                >>>> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a
                                >>>> bogus
                                >>>> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
                                >>>> with
                                >>>> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
                                >>>> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
                                >>>> independent
                                >>>> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
                                >>>> public
                                >>>> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
                                >>>> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
                                >>>> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> role of Dan.}
                                >>>>
                                >>>> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at
                                >>>> least
                                >>>> 10%
                                >>>> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
                                >>>> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
                                >>>> Dick
                                >>>> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
                                >>>> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one
                                >>>> thing,
                                >>>> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> future of humanity.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
                                >>>> .........
                                >>>> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm
                                >>>> still
                                >>>> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as
                                >>>> "October",
                                >>>> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
                                >>>> interest
                                >>>> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
                                >>>> fantasies,
                                >>>> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
                                >>>> group
                                >>>> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to
                                >>>> discuss
                                >>>> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be
                                >>>> Dan's
                                >>>> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's
                                >>>> what
                                >>>> she
                                >>>> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's
                                >>>> wife...oh,
                                >>>> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
                                >>>> reconciliation,
                                >>>> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting.
                                >>>> (Maybe
                                >>>> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me
                                >>>> at
                                >>>> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
                                >>>> who
                                >>>> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
                                >>>> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
                                >>>> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
                                >>>> project
                                >>>> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she
                                >>>> didn't
                                >>>> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what
                                >>>> difference
                                >>>> it
                                >>>> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still
                                >>>> ridiculous---but
                                >>>> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
                                >>>> explain further.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
                                >>>> appears
                                >>>> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
                                >>>> in
                                >>>> a
                                >>>> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
                                >>>> once
                                >>>> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
                                >>>> got
                                >>>> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
                                >>>> business
                                >>>> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
                                >>>> community
                                >>>> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
                                >>>> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
                                >>>> accused
                                >>>> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big
                                >>>> question
                                >>>> as
                                >>>> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
                                >>>> and
                                >>>> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
                                >>>> sinker
                                >>>> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan
                                >>>> Burisch
                                >>>> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is
                                >>>> that
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
                                >>>> to
                                >>>> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
                                >>>> shied
                                >>>> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
                                >>>> admitted
                                >>>> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of
                                >>>> what
                                >>>> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
                                >>>> that? Hmmmmmm......
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
                                >>>> But
                                >>>> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
                                >>>> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless,
                                >>>> what
                                >>>> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
                                >>>> George
                                >>>> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
                                >>>> when
                                >>>> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
                                >>>> evidence
                                >>>> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
                                >>>> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
                                >>>> balance
                                >>>> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
                                >>>> "The
                                >>>> tissue ain't the issue!"
                                >>>>
                                >>>> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
                                >>>> Doreen
                                >>>> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
                                >>>> such
                                >>>> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently
                                >>>> received,
                                >>>> or
                                >>>> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ
                                >>>> or
                                >>>> 2
                                >>>> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
                                >>>> could
                                >>>> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get
                                >>>> their
                                >>>> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
                                >>>> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
                                >>>> changes
                                >>>> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
                                >>>> Hey DonDep!!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread
                                >>>> on
                                >>>> an
                                >>>> artifact dealing with time.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
                                >>>> work
                                >>>> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                                >>>> validation
                                >>>> what-so-ever.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you
                                >>>> did
                                >>>> or
                                >>>> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
                                >>>> you.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Namaste
                                >>>> Z
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Quoting: zacksavage
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
                                >>>> original
                                >>>> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
                                >>>> once
                                >>>> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
                                >>>> there
                                >>>> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be
                                >>>> able
                                >>>> to
                                >>>> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
                                >>>> were
                                >>>> all naive to it.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
                                >>>> black-ops
                                >>>> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
                                >>>> Reason
                                >>>> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by
                                >>>> all
                                >>>> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
                                >>>> via
                                >>>> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would
                                >>>> have
                                >>>> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
                                >>>> them
                                >>>> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD),
                                >>>> which
                                >>>> we
                                >>>> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
                                >>>> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
                                >>>> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he
                                >>>> had',
                                >>>> as
                                >>>> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
                                >>>> use
                                >>>> it?"
                                >>>>
                                >>>> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
                                >>>> black
                                >>>> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
                                >>>> Moses;
                                >>>> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
                                >>>> FBI
                                >>>> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
                                >>>> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and
                                >>>> merciful
                                >>>> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
                                >>>> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
                                >>>> .......
                                >>>> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no
                                >>>> validation
                                >>>> what-so-ever.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Therein lies the quandary!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff'
                                >>>> over
                                >>>> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a
                                >>>> couple
                                >>>> of
                                >>>> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
                                >>>> but
                                >>>> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've
                                >>>> always
                                >>>> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
                                >>>> But,
                                >>>> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
                                >>>> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin
                                >>>> City,
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no
                                >>>> place
                                >>>> to
                                >>>> be trapped in either when the time came.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
                                >>>> words.
                                >>>> _________________
                                >>>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                                >>>> Dondep or Dagwood
                                >>>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                                >>>> #420
                                >>>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Dondep
                                >>>> Moderator
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                                >>>> Posts: 255
                                >>>> Location: Las Vegas
                                >>>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
                                >>>> Ann
                                >>>>
                                >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
                                >>>> Dadmiral
                                >>>> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
                                >>>> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
                                >>>>
                                >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
                                >>>> you
                                >>>> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
                                >>>> you
                                >>>> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit.
                                >>>> Future
                                >>>> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
                                >>>> us!
                                >>>> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
                                >>>> Looking
                                >>>> Glass showed.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in
                                >>>> case
                                >>>> we
                                >>>> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
                                >>>> some
                                >>>> time.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                                >>>> There
                                >>>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                                >>>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                                >>>> with
                                >>>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                                >>>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                                >>>> Back
                                >>>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability
                                >>>> of
                                >>>> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
                                >>>> range.
                                >>>> I
                                >>>> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved
                                >>>> thing.
                                >>>> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
                                >>>> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of
                                >>>> provisions
                                >>>> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
                                >>>> way
                                >>>> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
                                >>>> told
                                >>>> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> A: Dxx, silly!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                                >>>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                                >>>> issues
                                >>>> are apples and oranges to me.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get
                                >>>> critical.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we
                                >>>> readying
                                >>>> a
                                >>>> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground
                                >>>> zero
                                >>>> location?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it
                                >>>> hitting
                                >>>> us,
                                >>>> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many
                                >>>> it
                                >>>> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the
                                >>>> war
                                >>>> quicker! (laughing)
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Not funny!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
                                >>>> either.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: Look Dan -
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get,
                                >>>> I
                                >>>> am
                                >>>> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
                                >>>> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should
                                >>>> have
                                >>>> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what
                                >>>> we
                                >>>> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
                                >>>> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You
                                >>>> withhold
                                >>>> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
                                >>>> changed the course pushing us off T2.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                                >>>> glasses.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                                >>>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                                >>>> that
                                >>>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                                >>>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                                >>>> not
                                >>>> the full story.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                                >>>> claims
                                >>>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                                >>>>
                                >>>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Thank you!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                                >>>> Majestic
                                >>>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: Not really, it will miss us.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
                                >>>> sure
                                >>>> it will miss us?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: The numbers say it will miss.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
                                >>>> glasses.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
                                >>>> choice but to announce what I've learned!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
                                >>>> that
                                >>>> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
                                >>>> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
                                >>>> not
                                >>>> the full story.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
                                >>>> claims
                                >>>> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
                                >>>>
                                >>>> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> D: Thank you!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
                                >>>> Majestic
                                >>>> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
                                >>>> _________________
                                >>>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                                >>>> Dondep or Dagwood
                                >>>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                                >>>> #420
                                >>>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
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                                >>>> Dondep
                                >>>> Moderator
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
                                >>>> Posts: 255
                                >>>> Location: Las Vegas
                                >>>> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
                                >>>>
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                                >>>>
                                >>>> Clarifications
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Dan wrote:
                                >>>> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
                                >>>> There
                                >>>> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
                                >>>> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
                                >>>> with
                                >>>> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
                                >>>> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
                                >>>> Back
                                >>>> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried
                                >>>> to
                                >>>> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
                                >>>> Hilton
                                >>>> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
                                >>>> us
                                >>>> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
                                >>>> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
                                >>>> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
                                >>>> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
                                >>>> and
                                >>>> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
                                >>>> wrong
                                >>>> moments.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Ann wrote:
                                >>>> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
                                >>>> the
                                >>>> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Dan wrote:
                                >>>> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
                                >>>> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
                                >>>> issues
                                >>>> are apples and oranges to me.
                                >>>>
                                >>>> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with
                                >>>> Marci,
                                >>>> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
                                >>>> laugh
                                >>>> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
                                >>>> _________________
                                >>>> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
                                >>>> Dondep or Dagwood
                                >>>> 2433 E. Tropicana Ave
                                >>>> #420
                                >>>> Las Vegas, NV 89121
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