Re: [ufodiscussion] Born Right The First Time?
- 'The purpose of most religion is to make us "better" than we currently are.'
This has never been the purpose of any authentic religion that I've
heard about. Only degenerate ones have this misguided purpose. As I
understand it, the original purpose of every authentic religion was to guide
people to heaven by applying and demonstrating the teachings of their
prophets. This has nothing to do with trying to change people's true
natures. The authentic religions prescribed moral practices so as to enable
people to act in accordance with their true natures, not to change what they
already truly are.
'The Biblical premise is that all human beings are fatally flawed, not good
enough and in need of vast improvements and control of their "human
Rubbish! Christ's Biblical message was that even the worst sinners
are good enough for God's kingdom if they sincerely want to be in it! This
point was demonstrated emphatically when one of the two thieves who was
crucified with Jesus said to him, "Remember me when you come into your
kingdom," and Jesus replied, "This night you shall be with me in Paradise."
'Scripture goes out of its way to remind us all that our fundamental human
qualities are deceit, wickedness, jealousy, anger, lust and greed.'
This is more rubbish. No authentic religion treats these faults as
fundamental and neither does the Bible. Rather they are treated as
superficial accretions upon the self-luminous 'soul' - the fundamental
self - that can be got rid of by appropriate acts of self-purification.
Christ is quoted as saying that he came "to call sinners to redemption".
What would be the point of his trying to redeem fallen people if their basic
nature was flawed? In that case they would be absolutely irredeemable!
When, at his trial, he was accused of blaspheming by claiming to be a god,
he is supposed to have replied, "Is it not written in your Law (i.e. the Old
Testament), 'I said, You are gods,'?" Surely this clearly demonstrates how
Jesus and the Old Testament prophets really regarded fundamental human
nature - as the nature of gods!
It would take me until next week to refute every fallacious
statement that this severely misguided author makes about religion in
general and the Bible in particular, so I'll just close with the comment
that I don't think he can have become his authentic self yet if he can make
so many false statements on a subject which he evidently knows so little
about. Authenticity is about saying what you know is the truth. But what
he is saying is patently untrue and he appears not to know it. It seems to
me that the scriptures generally have a lot more authenticity than he has
demonstrated in his diatribe against them.
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Subject: [ufodiscussion] Born Right The First Time?
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Born Right the First Time?
By Dennis Diehl
The purpose of most religion is to make us "better" than we currently are.
The Biblical premise is that all human beings are fatally flawed, not good
enough and in need of vast improvements and control of their "human nature."
Without this ongoing overcoming of the evil self, growing towards a better
kind of person and change, one runs the risk of being so not good enough
that they will spend eternity, for their inability to change over a rather
short lifetime, in a punishing hell. Scripture goes out of its way to remind
us all that our fundamental human qualities are deceit, wickedness,
jealousy, anger, lust and greed. I find that personally to be one of the
most unhelpful and controlling lies ever foisted upon human beings by
religion. Of course that is how we can act, but that is not who we are by
any real means when given the freedom to be authentic and feel safe in being
We are called "worms" and less than nothing in this great book of
encouragement. Even the early leaders, prophets and apostle types knew that
they had to degrade themselves as less than human in order to show they
understood they were not worth anything as an unregenerate human being. Only
when one realized they were a piece of poop, could they lead the people who
were really poopy people. If you could not utter the words, "I am not
worthy," you would never be a Bible CEO. The Apostle Paul noted that he was
"the least of the Apostles" and that "the things that I don't want to do, I
do and the things I should, I don't." He made his problems everyone's. He
concluded he was simply a wretched human being, and so should everyone else.
He reminded others that they were blind, miserable, poor and naked of heart
and spirit. He even said he had to beat himself into submission, lest after
preaching to others, he should flub up himself and be a castaway. Seems he
didn't have the
confidence "in the blood," to make up the differences in what he was and
what he felt he needed to be.
Jesus is also said to have said that humans are to become "perfect, even (in
the same way) as your Father in heaven is perfect." No challenge there to be
better than one is at any one moment! Of course this is not possible and it
is not possible or plausible in any "now I'm converted and full of the Holy
Spirit" way. You have never met any Christian who has reached this goal in
life. I have met some who act like they have and I have met some who agonize
of not being able, but I have never met one that did in fact, whatever that
means. Actually they would be one freaky human being I would think.
How did we get this way? Well, of course it was due to the "fall" where Adam
and Eve, our really true and actual first human parents, created by God out
of mud and ribs, flubbed up and ate the forbidden fruit. We have all been
blamed for this event and must spend our lives coming under a blood
sacrifice of a more perfect human/god being and then continuing the struggle
to be "better" until we die. Its then we find out we understood being bad
enough to be good enough to live forever. Redemption of humans by blood
sacrifice and execution have always been the preferred solution to the
depravity of man. Membership in the club usually cost ten or more percent of
your material income and membership in the one true of many churches. I am
not being disrespectful to the life and teachings of Jesus but few
understand how that has been woven into a tale that Jesus himself would have
I remember as a teen when it was "time you were baptised" being told I was
all these miserable things and in need of deep and heartfelt repentance and,
of course, a savior. The minister took me through all the Ten Commandments
and asked me if I understood that I had broken EVERY ONE of them all my
short life and thus, was condemned to death. I was a mere 18 year old, nice
kid, good home, pretty compliant, a bit guilt and shame ridden by
upbringing, but not a really big nasty sinner on drugs with three
illegitimate kids. And yet, here I sat being convinced I worshipped other
gods, (money, success, human hopes and dreams), somehow always took God's
name in vain, (mom and dad would have washed my mouth out with soap...I only
learned to cuss and such after being in the ministry) and worshipped on the
wrong day of the week along with having to repent of keeping the wrong Holy
Days all my short life.
I was in some deep evil way a killer, adulterer, thief, liar and coveter of
all men's goods and women. When I said I hadn't really killed anyone, I was
told that I hated and that's the same thing. I admited I had not had sex
with anyone to that point, but my lust covered that one too. I wanted to
say, "well no, I really hadn't done that either", but that would have been
ill advised if I ever wanted to get baptised and have a future with the
group. He told me to come back another day and more deeply repent of my
nasty, evil and wicked 18 year old self. Of course I did in time and joined
the "you still aren't good enough" club for the next three decades as a
pastor who then passed the good news of human depravity on to thousands and
reminding them that while they might think they are nice people, they are
under the eternal death penalty those stinkers Adam and Eve brought upon us
all no matter. However, I did a bit of growing myself and concluded the
story of my guilt by
association to Adam and Eve wasn't literally true. Human beings have evolved
for the most part as good science has noted. I've had my own genome mapped
back 60,000 years to all our African origins. I don't believe that it would
be a very fair thing for humans to pay a literal and eternal death penalty
based on a mythical and not literally true story.
Have you ever considered the fact that you and I may have been born right
the first time? What if the most simple and spiritual goal a human being has
is to become your own genuine, authentic and self? What if our purpose in
life is neither to jump through the hoops set out by others, who think they
know, nor to struggle and strive to improve yourself dramatically over what
you are? People don't change much over a life time no matter what their
religious affiliations, and while it's an improvement to stop killing one's
self with sugar, caffeine, alcohol and nicotine along with other assorted
body killing habits, it's ok to just be yourself.
Is it easy to be yourself? No, not in our culture and certainly not in many
others where not being a mere cog in the tribal wheel can get you killed in
really bad ways. One of life's simple truths that most humans have long
since forgotten or never knew is that all of us are one and the same and all
smaller parts of the one single thing. I don't pretend to know what that is,
but let's just say we are all one in the same conscious awareness stuck in a
limited five sensed carbon based wet suit for now. As Mike Adams said in a
recent article on The discovery of DNA variability, holographic blueprints
and the symphony of life..."We are, in fact, an expression of the very
phenomena we are attempting to understand, and if we read the poetry of DNA
correctly, we will realize that life itself is not about the accumulation of
wealth, or stuff, or power over others, but rather the discovery of self.
And "self" does not exist in isolation. We are, in every way imaginable,
intertwined. We are all made of the same stuff, wrought from the same
patterns of nature, and in fact, formulated from the same musical notes
played out in five billion unique but compatible tunes. With this discovery,
Western science has concluded we are all more different from each other than
previously thought, but I believe it is evidence that we are all just unique
verses of the same universal poem."
That's a far cry from humans being merely wretched, miserable, poor blind
and naked worms that need major rehab at the hands of prophets, priests and
pastors. Saying we are born right the first time and not in need of being
born again or reborn goes against the meme, which is the mind virus we all
got taught as kids. Our parents had it taught to them and their parents
before that. It is the idea that we are all flawed a birth by a non-event in
the lives of our first not literally so parents Adam and Eve. It's the idea
that even if you are a pretty ok person, you are filled with vanity,
jealousy, lust and greed that unless paid for by a perfect blood sacrifice,
demands you spend eternity in hell burning forever, cut off from God, or
permanently dead. It's also not true and is not what a genuine human being,
in reality needs to become the monkey on their back over.
What liberation it is to simply recognize that we are all one and the same
smaller parts of the one big thing. It is every bit as difficult to live an
authentic life as it is to live a life of false compliance to the will of
others. It is easy or not easy depending on the need to please everyone or
appear to agree when you don't, to be true to your self and by self, I do
not mean ego. I mean true to the conscious awareness that abides in the
container we all too often mistake for the self. You are not your body. That
is merely transportation and a container for a short time. You are not your
brain. That is a receiver of information and memories that may, in fact,
arise from outside of a bigger you and I than we can imagine. You are not
your mind, which is that thinking brain that spins in the angry past or
projects itself into the anxiety filled future when it has nothing better to
do in the present.
How much misery and struggle to be all that one can never really be religion
has heaped upon the faithful. Not many will leave the warmth and comfort of
the boxes they were born in by happenstance and explore ideas that are not
acceptable to the tribe or the church. But some will. They might be labeled
"heretics" or perhaps more benevolently, "ahead of their times." In the
past, those ahead of their times tended to be burned at the stake. Leaving
the box of religious dogma is difficult and often one leaves it alone and on
their own. Those in the last box don't often follow. You can be your
authentic self as it comes to you and risk a lot but gain a lot, or you can
put on your mask and be more comfortable but scarfing down antidepressants
the rest of your life. That seems to be the way the road to the fact that
being oneself is the most simple spiritual truth there is for a genuine
Politics, fear, guilt and shame are some of the reasons human beings behave
badly. Feeling unsafe can do a lot of damage. All of Iraq is coming unglued
because of fear and self preservation, not some inherent evil that is the
true, ongoing and daily nature of man. When people feel safe, appreciated,
respected and listened to, you'd be surprised how much good can be
accomplished. If Chicago was Bagdad, these same fears and survival skills
would rear their ugly heads in the neighborhood.
What is the most simple spiritual truth a human can come to recognize? While
there may be many, the simple recognition that being your authentic self in
thought, word and deed is ok, is near the top. If my even saying that to you
makes you uncomfortable, then you can know that it is not far from a truth
you, as a conscious being, needs to consider in the time you have left to
live in your limited five sensed, carbon based wet suit.