58Re: [ufodiscussion] Re: UFO Discussion
- Aug 14, 2004Hi Alfie,
I'm not sure what article to which you are refering, but I might have read it. In
my estimation, whenever a "stargate" or wormhole is created, the concept of "other
dimensions" is inescapable. As to the specifics involved in such a phenomenon, you
better ask Bill about that. He is the one who told me about such hypotheses and
knows more about the scientific particulars than I do.
Concerning whether these "orbs" are "us", this is a sticky question. *Some* such
visions of orbs or even "light beings" communicating with us *may* be aspects of
our "Higher Selves", but I would say that these are in the minority of sightings.
At the VERY highest metaphysical level, one can say that ALL is ONE, but at our
"normal" everyday level of "reality" in this "time bubble" in this corner of the
Universe(s), for all *practical* consideration, these sightings are indeed "other",
and deserve self recognition as much as you and I do. In any case, I'm sure that
telepathy, clairvoyance, and probably all paranormal phenomena involve some sort
of quantum coupling, as we understand it.
A note concerning genetics; if one accepts the Dan Burisch/J-rod proposition that
these "Greys" are in some way a future version of ourselves, some may actually have
*specific* genetic ties with particular individuals alive today. This would account
for reports of abductees having some type of rapport with a specific individual Grey
I don't doubt your "Jetson's Spaceship" story. There are many reports and *claims*
of UFOs shape-shifting from a typical saucer/cylindrical/sperical shape to that of
something like a conventional aircraft. I believe that I had one such sighting myself.
I had only vague memories of horrible nightmares and nights that made no sense around
the age of 3 - 5. These were reoccurring, I forget how many times. The visual
images were very vague but the emotional/mental component was as if I were dying/
falling into an enless abyss or that my actual identity/soul were being ripped apart.
I always went to sleep in my own bedroom but would somehow find myself waking up on
the floor of my parents room in a cold sweat screaming. I then jumped into my parents
bed and never remembered a thing.
I was seeing a homeopath a few years ago and he was trying out some new form of
muscle-strength testing to determine why I had some blockages to remedies. He was also
a psychiatrist M.D. and he said that he sensed that I had some kind of "blockage of the
will" from some kind of incident in my childhood that could either have been traumatic
or something "shaming" which my mind blew out of proportion. This technique involved
testing the resistance strength of an arm held up while asking a question and then
quickly tapping me between the eyes(the "third eye"). It had a strange hypnotic
effect upon me. Everytime I got tapped between the eyes, it was like my conscious
attention stopped/shifted. While he was asking questions I was getting very aggitated.
Through questions, he determined the time in my life affected was around the age of four.
Then he went through "who" was involved; family, friends...NEIGHBORS. When he said
"neighbors", he stopped there. But what I didn't tell him was that I had a VIVID
flashback memory of the time just before and just after my nightmares at that time.
I VERY clearly remembered awakening in my bed with a familiar feeling of dread and
a strange light outside of my window. I ran out of my room and around the inside of the
house trying to hide from the light in corners, under tables, etc. But the light would
slowly circle the house in what I sensed as a very malevolent predatory manner. The next
thing I remembered was awakening on my parents' bedroom floor in a cold sweat screaming,
having had that terrible "nightmare". I jumped up on my parents'bed but they would not
wake up. I tried everything but it was like they were drugged or paralyzed. I then just
cuddled up in terror to their innanimate bodies and eventually fell asleep. As I said,
the next morning, everyone went about their business, still in some sort of haze, as if
everything was normal.
Thge night I returned home from this visit to my doctor, having a VERY clear memory in
my mind of that past incident, I noticed a very bright whitish yellow spherical object
about a mile or two away from my house as I was pulling in the driveway. It was fairly
stationary, but would wobble a bit here and there. I estimated that it was 100 to a few
hundred feet off the ground. I know that airplane landing lights can seem to be stationary
with a slight wobble, but this was not the very sharp bright white light usually associated
with landing lights. I was VERY bright but yellowish and sort of "hazy".
I watched it for a couple of minutes and just mentally said, "not yet, you f*ckers!"
As if in IMMEDIATE response to my thought, the light dimmed to a small white light and
I heard a very old fashioned cheap "put-put" sort of engine TURN ON in mid air! This
light and sound then started to move directly toward my house. I watched as it passed
DIRECTLY over my head at about 200", while I was standing in my front yard, and make a
very slow but sharp 90 degree turn and proceed away from me. What I saw was only the
barest facsimile of an old fashioned airplane with occasionally semi-transparent wings.
There were two flashing red lights on it, one on each "wing". These were not ordinary
regulation FAA navigation lights, though; they would flash in unison, one second on, one
second off. It slowly made its way in a straight line away from me, gaining altitude
rather quickly and disappeared straight out in front of me in the night sky.
> Hi Don, List!
> In thinking that orbs are mini stargates (by the way, did you read the article I
> published about the Russian Physicists?), is it your estimation that this is like dipping
> into another dimension(s)??
> The first impression I got when I read your description was that in some way or form,
> you/we are actually attached to these "lights" or orbs. By this I mean that it is
> apparent in Quantum Physics that particles of light which appear to have two different
> positions, both receive and send information simultaneously. In other words, one
> particle half-way across the world will have the same information as the other at the
> very same time. Therefore, what appears to be two *different* lights, are in actuality
> connected, whether it be by the fact that the lights are "one" via the wave function, or
> whatever? So, it crossed my mind that in some way, you were connected to this
> "hole", and that's why it moved with you, etc.
> At the risk of sounding woo woo-ish, what if some of the UFO sightings are somehow
> connected to our consciousness, and are in fact other parts of us beyond the physical
> realm, perhaps in a Higher Consciousness state?? I'm just throwing this out there for
> speculation. Can't hurt, huh? LOL
> Also, I was fascinated by your "invisible helicopter"! I'm thinking, covert hologram/
> camouflage, or something similar. I saw something very weird one day, that would of
> course make me subject to the looney bin. In broad daylight, moving very slowly and
> gracefully across the sky just over my home, was a "Jetsons", or "Buck Rogers" type
> aircraft. I don't know how to describe it other than it looked like a 50's version of
> what a futuristic space vehicle would look like. It was flat silver (not shiny), and it had
> wings and a tail, but the body of the craft was somewhat short and squat in length,
> and was a double-decker unit. It looked like a flying Killer Whale with wings a snout,
> and little port-hole-like windows. It was low and flew slow, and made NO noise! I
> was mesmerized. It was unlike any aircraft I'd ever seen outside of comic books!! LOL
> Now with your "invisible helicopter" story, I'm thinking maybe that maybe my sighting
> of this aircraft was a hologram, or camouflaged aircraft?? YIKES!!
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Don" <drxdon@c...> wrote:
> > Keith, Bill, and list,
> > This "blood red dot" that imploded on itself sounds a lot like the
> > experience I had around New Years in my backyard. The light I saw
> > was sort of a whitish yellow-orange color, very bright like a laser
> > pointer but did not light the surroundings. When I approached it, it
> > moved away exactly at the pace and direction of my walk. When I ran
> > towards it, and dodged left and right, it matched my movents EXACTLY,
> > as if it were reading my mind or nerve impulses. It was a very
> > precise mechanical movent, very fast, and I had the feeling that it
> > was not really an "object" at all but something like a movable "hole"
> > in space. I spoke with Bill the next day and he said that indeed,
> > this is what he and a few other researchers are theorizing. Bill
> > said that they are calling these orbs/lights "mini stargates".
> > I believe that I also saw a large, fourty feet by fifteen feet, oval
> > bright silvery white light/craft on the ground about a quarter mile
> > away in a farmer's field. I can't be absolutely sure of this,
> > though, because the farmer has a mechanic's shop by the barn near
> > where I saw the oval light which is often lit up very brightly and I
> > am near-sighted so lighted areas at that distance can appear larger
> > and more compact without glasses. However, this light seemed to be
> > further away from the barn than usual and much larger and brighter
> > than I had seen before. The light was also gone when I came back out
> > of my house to see if the small "stargate" was still there. It was
> > also gone. Someday I'll have to introduce myself to the guy who
> > lives at the farm and ask him if he noticed anything strange last New
> > Years.
> > I also had an invisible/shadowy "critter" peeking right into my
> > bedroom window, which was probably deposited and later picked up by
> > the stargate. I didn't see anything at my window but my cat was
> > TOTALLY frozen in his tracks looking something in the eyes. I saw it
> > depart when I went outside. As I shined my flashlight toward the
> > window the bush next to it shook violently and a shadowy "blur"
> > darted out from the side and smoothly left, disappearing in the
> > moonlight. I can only compare what I saw to the shadowy black
> > "demons" in the movie "Ghost" with Patrick Swayse, that took the bad
> > guys away when they died. I could only see it out of the corner of
> > my eye. When I looked right at it, the thing disappeared but I would
> > see this slithering shadow again moving away from the corner of my
> > eye.
> > Not more than ten minutes after the thing vanished, a Blackhawk
> > helicopter from the nearby air base came zooming in making a strafing
> > pass at less than two thousand feet EXACTLY over where I had first
> > sighted the "light". The helicopter made a swift one to two minute
> > turn around and made another pass. It must have seen me there and
> > then moved away to about an eighth to a quarter mile and up to a
> > thousand feet. It kept this circular vigil up over my neighborhood
> > till dawn. I flashed it several times in code to let them know that
> > *I* knew what was going on.
> > I have no idea how they knew that an "anomaly" had just occurred
> > here, much less how they knew EXACTLY where in my backyard. Since I
> > grew up within a quarter mile of this air base and have lived close
> > by all of my life, and am quite sure that I had abduction experiences
> > as a kid, I would say that they probably have me "tagged" and am
> > under constant covert surveillance. This is even more probable, now
> > that I have become QUITE vocal on the internet about UFOs and
> > occult/paranormal phenomena.
> > Helicopters constantly pass over my house, but of course I live in
> > the flight path of their patrols/training missions/whatever, so I
> > can't definitively say that ALL of these flights have anything to do
> > with me without sounding psychotically paranoid. It's just so
> > convenient, though, that their flight paths seem to criss-cross over
> > my house, whether they are heading east or due north. I am just
> > north of the base so a straight north path would seem to be nothing
> > unusual. But *sometimes* when they make an easterly flight, they
> > first come north, and then they turn east right over my house, give
> > or take a few hundred feet. This is a bit more suspicious. Some
> > passes, though, are downright obvious, like when a Blackhawk will come
> > zooming up to my house at less than three hundred feet and make an
> > abrupt U-turn.
> > In the early part of this summer, this type of activity was on the
> > increase and reached a sort of peak about a month ago. There was a
> > low flying Blackhawk about a thousand feet up pacing my car slowly as
> > I returned from work. It left and then I saw a stationary copter at
> > about a thousand feet above my neighborhood as I entered. It quickly
> > departed. Later, when I was working atr my computer, I heard a VERY
> > low pass over my house. About 45 minutes later I heard another pass.
> > I was waiting for the next one. Sure enough, 45 minutes later the
> > Blackhawk made another U-turn pass over my house at less than 300
> > feet. Just as it was leaving, I "blasted" it with my green hand held
> > laser, NOT just a red laser pointer but a laser that's 100 times as
> > powerful as a typical laser pointer. I'm sure that they were HIGHLY
> > illuminated with a one - three foot wide VERY bright beam(I couldn't
> > tell if the beam actually hit the craft because they don't reflect
> > light). If I was a "regular" person and this was not some kind of
> > clandestine surveilance or even some kind of PSY-OPS, I would hear
> > from the "AUTHORITIES" right away. Blasting a military vehicle in
> > flight with a blinding laser could be considered "terrorist" activity
> > under our new "Homeland Security".
> > Needless to say, nothing happened to me and since then the
> > "harrassment" has ceased. I would say that the "quieting" is due to
> > this confrontation as well as me being very vocal about the
> > harrassment on the internet and on the phone, which I'm sure is
> > tapped. Not to be outdone, however, "THEY" had something to "show"
> > *me*; an "invisible helicopter"! That's right! About a week after
> > this "confrontation", the day after I was taking with a friend about
> > how I "scared them away", I heard a very low and loud helicpter
> > approaching. I went outside to see it but there was nothing there!
> > It was a cloudless sky and I had a clear 160 degree view in front of
> > me as I heard the helicopter pass over from behind. I looked for the
> > helicopter as I heard it pass overhead but saw absolutely nothing! I
> > looked in the direction of the sound, left, right, forward and in
> > back of the sound source but couldn't see a thing! From the sound,
> > it was no more than a thousand feet up, more like five hundred.
> > So there! HA! ....I guess that's what "they" were telling me! ;-)
> > Keep watching the skies, as Bill would say,...and LISTENING to them
> > as well! ;-)
> > Don
> > --- In email@example.com, "Bill Hamilton" <skycom22@s...>
> > wrote:
> > > Keith,
> > >
> > > My saying goes, keep your eyes on the crowded skies. I believe
> > there
> > > are many anomalies and phenomena in the universe we know nothing
> > > about. The key is to make and record observations. That is how we
> > > know what the ancients
> > > observed in their skies.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Keith McLean
> > > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:13 AM
> > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Re: UFO Discussion
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Bill,
> > >
> > > I think I'm actually having personal UFO sightings now, whereas
> > > before it was a case of simply reading about them. However,
> > unlike
> > > your experiences, none appear to be the flying kind.
> > >
> > > One object I saw earlier this year was a blood red circle/orb at
> > > night (not Mars, although I did see this earlier in the evening).
> > > It was not moving, it was definitely "aerial", and it disappeared
> > > from view by appearing to "close-in" or "implode" on itself, like
> > > a shrinking dot.
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