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4595RE: [ufodiscussion] Life On Mars? Could Be, But How Will They Tell?/I have been working on this for over a year

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  • Jahnets
    Mar 31, 2005
      Again Bill, because she has the ability to manipulate the pictures into
      clearer focus doesn't mean she is trying to hoax us or anyone else. Also
      just because she doesn't want her name out there so she can get harassed
      doesn't mean she's guilty. You tell me not to assume, but I hear you
      assuming...



      -----Original Message-----
      From: William Hamilton [mailto:astroxplorer@...]
      Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:19 PM
      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Life On Mars? Could Be, But How Will They
      Tell?/I have been working on this for over a year



      Jahnet,

      Now I know you did not read what was on the site.
      He said the pictures were sent to him by a woman who is a graphic
      artist who wants to remain anonymous. We do not know what this woman
      did to enhance the pictures. Don't assume anything.

      Bill
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Jahnets" <Jahnets@...>
      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 7:48 PM
      Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Life On Mars? Could Be, But How Will They
      Tell?/I have been working on this for over a year


      >
      > Whoa...Bill so you're saying that anyone who knows how to zoom in on a
      > picture from Nasa's site is suspect...You could go to Nasa's site and get
      > the same picture I'm sure, but it sounds like instead of asking him which
      > day or anything to find out what picture it is you just want to assume
      > he's
      > trying to dupe us because he knows how to enhance pictures... Isn't that
      > like saying if you have any brains at all you're going to try and hoax us
      > just to prove you can??? X files was a tv show, trust no one was a by
      > line...
      >
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: William Hamilton [mailto:astroxplorer@...]
      > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:40 AM
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Life On Mars? Could Be, But How Will They
      > Tell?/I have been working on this for over a year
      >
      >
      >
      > I cannot prove what it is or isn't without working with an
      > untouched original without graphic enhancement. The
      > fact that a graphic's person presented these images is
      > reason enough for suspicion.
      >
      > Bill
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Jahnets" <Jahnets@...>
      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:08 PM
      > Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Life On Mars? Could Be, But How Will They
      > Tell?/I have been working on this for over a year
      >
      >
      >>
      >> Well that does look like a complex of buildings in the first picture
      >> before
      >> it is blown up bigger... I wouldn't think that rocks and boulders would
      >> be
      >> linear like that... Maybe occationally but not that many together at
      >> right
      >> angles... The picture itself does look like someone has tried to erase
      >> what
      >> ever is there or paint over it... But more importantly Bill, as I am an
      >> amateur with pictures and can only go by what I see and sense, how would
      >> you
      >> as a professional prove this isn't a complex??? To may times I think we
      >> are
      >> asked to prove what it is, how about proving what it isn't???
      >> hmmm
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: William Hamilton [mailto:astroxplorer@...]
      >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:53 AM
      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Life On Mars? Could Be, But How Will They
      >> Tell?/I have been working on this for over a year
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> And do these images show the evidence of civilization on Mars they
      >> purport
      >> to show?
      >> Or is an amateur analyst fooling himself ?
      >>
      >>
      >
      http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/evidence-reports/2005/084/hale-civ-eviden
      >> ce.htm
      >>
      >> Take a look, then click on HOME and find more images of anomalies on
      >> Mars.
      >>
      >> Bill
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: "Jerry Lehane III" <j.lehane@...>
      >> To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:15 AM
      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Life On Mars? Could Be, But How Will They
      >> Tell?/I have been working on this for over a year
      >>
      >>
      >>>
      >>> There is a variety of live and highly evolved being living at both Mars
      >>> Rovers sites.I have been gathering pics of them.Some yahoo groups don't
      >>> give
      >>> me easy access to post(open posting) so that I can't simply say check
      >>> the
      >>> PHOTOS section of this Yahoo Group.If they were more open,then you would
      >>> already know what life on Mars looks like.Check out the photos sections
      >>> of
      >>> Space
      >>>
      >>
      >
      people,eceti-chat,ShowInQuotes,Punktress,nasa2,space_expedition,abeginnerscl
      >> ub.There
      >>> are over 300 pics posted in these few groups with Mars live beings and
      >>> fossils.Jerry Lehane III Newark Delaware j.lehane@...
      >>> ----- Original Message -----
      >>> From: "Light Eye" <universal_heartbeat2012@...>
      >>> To: <Global_Rumblings@...>; <SpeakIt@...>;
      >>> <SkyOpen@yahoogroups.com>; <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>;
      >>> <changingplanetgroup@yahoogroups.com>
      >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:02 AM
      >>> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Life On Mars? Could Be, But How Will They Tell?
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>>
      >>>> Dear Friends,
      >>>>
      >>>> This is a 3 page article so click the link if you can't proceed to page
      >>>> 2.
      >>>> You may also have to register to proceed to page 2.
      >>>>
      >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/29/science/space/29mars.html?oref=login
      >>>>
      >>>> Love and Light.
      >>>>
      >>>> David
      >>>>
      >>>> Life on Mars? Could Be, but How Will They Tell?By KENNETH CHANG
      >>>>
      >>>> Published: March 29, 2005
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> he landscape looked lifeless. But satellite images from orbit
      >>>> identified
      >>>> geological formations containing minerals that microbes sometimes like
      >>>> to
      >>>> nestle in, and scientists dispatched a small rover to look at the rocks
      >>>> up
      >>>> close.
      >>>>
      >>>> Fluorescent dyes sprayed on the ground lit up, proclaiming the presence
      >>>> of
      >>>> proteins and DNA. The rover also detected chlorophyll, the
      >>>> energy-producing molecule of plants.
      >>>>
      >>>> And so scientists discovered life in Chile's Atacama Desert.
      >>>>
      >>>> Life there, one of the driest places on Earth, is sparse, but no one
      >>>> was
      >>>> surprised to find it. And they weren't really hunting life on Earth.
      >>>> The
      >>>> exercise last summer was practice for the techniques scientists hope to
      >>>> use in the future on Mars, where the question of life remains
      >>>> intriguingly
      >>>> open.
      >>>>
      >>>> "You've got to go look," said Dr. Alan S. Waggoner, director of the
      >>>> Molecular Biosensor and Imaging Center at Carnegie Mellon University in
      >>>> Pittsburgh and a participant in the NASA-sponsored project. "I'd give
      >>>> it
      >>>> a
      >>>> 50-50 shot that you could find it somewhere underground. But then
      >>>> that's
      >>>> a
      >>>> guess."
      >>>>
      >>>> He is not alone. In an informal poll taken last month at a conference
      >>>> in
      >>>> the Netherlands, three-quarters of 250 scientists working on the
      >>>> European
      >>>> Space Agency's Mars Express mission said they believed Mars once
      >>>> possessed
      >>>> conditions hospitable to life. One quarter believe it still does.
      >>>>
      >>>> Planetary scientists have long thought that early in its history Mars
      >>>> may
      >>>> have been more like Earth, warm and wet, a place where life could have
      >>>> taken hold. But then the climate turned cold and dry and has remained
      >>>> cold
      >>>> and dry for several billion years. For many, the presumption was that
      >>>> Martian life, if any ever existed, died away long ago.
      >>>>
      >>>> Over the past year, the notion that life not only arose on Mars but
      >>>> persists today has become more plausible with reports of methane gas
      >>>> currently floating in its atmosphere. The two most likely sources are
      >>>> geothermal chemical reactions or bacteria, and because ultraviolet
      >>>> light
      >>>> breaks down methane within a few centuries, any detectable methane must
      >>>> have been put there recently.
      >>>>
      >>>> Another possibility is that the methane comes from the remains of long
      >>>> dead organisms trapped underground as oil or coal-like deposits and
      >>>> transformed to methane by the heat of meteor impacts.
      >>>>
      >>>> "The evidence is teasing us," said Dr. Everett K. Gibson Jr. of NASA's
      >>>> Johnson Space Center in Houston, a member of the research team that
      >>>> claimed in 1996 to have found organic molecules, bacterialike fossils
      >>>> and
      >>>> other evidence of life in a Martian meteorite found in Antarctica.
      >>>>
      >>>> Meanwhile, biologists have in recent years discovered life on Earth in
      >>>> places they would not have expected, adapted to the harshest of
      >>>> conditions: in rocks miles underground, at the sunless bottoms of
      >>>> oceans,
      >>>> in extremely acidic waters.
      >>>>
      >>>> Dr. Gibson said he believed that there was life on early Mars and that
      >>>> it
      >>>> could still be there. "Life tries to hang on," he said. "Life tries to
      >>>> do
      >>>> everything it can to survive."
      >>>>
      >>>> Carbon-based life requires three essential ingredients - carbon, liquid
      >>>> water and energy - and all appear to be present on Mars. Carbon dioxide
      >>>> makes up most of Mars' thin atmosphere, and some Mars rocks, including
      >>>> the
      >>>> one that Dr. Gibson examined, are known to contain carbon.
      >>>>
      >>>> Liquid water is no longer present at the surface, but it once was.
      >>>> NASA's
      >>>> Mars rover Opportunity found minerals, particularly an iron mineral
      >>>> known
      >>>> as jarosite, that require prolonged steeping in water to form. Images
      >>>> from
      >>>> spacecraft in orbit find signs that liquid water has burst onto the
      >>>> surface in geologically recent times.
      >>>>
      >>>> Volcanic heat could provide the energy. The European Space Agency this
      >>>> month released photographs of Mars' north pole that showed signs of ash
      >>>> from eruptions.
      >>>>
      >>>> At the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference outside Houston this
      >>>> month,
      >>>> Lindsey S. Link, a graduate student at the University of Colorado,
      >>>> presented calculations showing that even at temperatures not far above
      >>>> freezing, chemical reactions between water and minerals in the basaltic
      >>>> lavas of Martian bedrock could also generate energy for life to thrive
      >>>> on.
      >>>>
      >>>> "It turns out there's quite a bit," Ms. Link said. "I think we're
      >>>> learning
      >>>> life doesn't need a lot more than rock and water, if it can get energy
      >>>> from these reactions."
      >>>>
      >>>> But if life exists, how to find it?
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> Continued
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