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  • Jahnets
    Mar 6, 2005
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      I said the soul is attached to the body not the spirit...I think the astral
      body is just your own projection of what you think you look like. It is
      something to help you give form to your light so you aren't confused. A
      thought construct of your own making. The astral body is not your spirit...



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      From: Skywatch [mailto:skycom22@...]
      Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 3:28 PM
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      Jahnet,

      I do not agree. The spirit that is YOU is not an Astral body
      tied to a cord. The Astral body may or may not have a cord,
      but a spirit is pure potential and may not even be located in
      space or time.

      Bill
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      From: "Jahnets" <Jahnets@...>
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      Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:14 PM
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      >
      > Brain and consciousness splitting... The brain is a tool, just like the
      > body. I would think that the cord that holds the soul to the body do not
      > separate or you do die. Now your spirit can and does leave every night.
      > Most
      > just don't realize it... Your spirit is working through your personality
      > to
      > create in this world, or should be. So those personalities that are truely
      > fighting for control with that small voice in their head are allowing
      > their
      > ego to run their lives without the benefit of the full knowledge that
      > their
      > spirit is aware of..The whole point of enlightenment to get in touch with
      > your inner self and evolve... Those that aren't consciously striving for
      > this are like a car being driven by it's computer instead of the
      > driver...Ever drive down the street and almost get into an accident and
      > your
      > hand suddenly of it's own volition move an inch and you miraculously miss
      > each other. That's your spirit...
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: Bill Hamilton [mailto:skycom22@...]
      > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 8:16 AM
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Penrose: The Answer's Not 42
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      >
      > I think the key will be found by people like Dr. Fenwick.
      >
      > For some doctors such as Dr. Peter Fenwick, a consultant neuropsychiatrist
      > at London University, the near death experience really does point to a
      > consciousness
      > that can survive with out the support system of the body. He says:
      > "In a coronary, the brain goes down within 16 seconds and it stays offline
      > until you
      > recover slowly. Now either these accounts arise because brain and
      > consciousness
      > become split or because they are a retrospective construction of the
      > experience
      > of unconsciousness. I would probably go for a splitting."
      >
      > Bill
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      > From: "Jahnets" <Jahnets@...>
      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:13 AM
      > Subject: RE: [ufodiscussion] Penrose: The Answer's Not 42
      >
      >
      >>
      >> I think Regan it's because in order to do what you say they would have to
      >> take that final step... They would have to admit to creating their own
      >> world, problems and all... It is a big step... off to work...Have a great
      >> day...;-)
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >> From: Regan Power [mailto:soulsearcher_22@...]
      >> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 3:54 AM
      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Penrose: The Answer's Not 42
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Why do "intelligent" scientists ("brilliant minds", "best brains
      >> on
      >> the planet", etc) keep deluding themselves with the idea that a universal
      >> Theory of Everything is possible without including consciousness in it?
      >> Isn't consciousness a genuine ingredient of the universal Reality that
      >> they
      >> are calling "Everything"? Yet they close their mental eyes to it and
      >> just
      >> consider the physical aspect of Reality, which they think they perceive
      >> in
      >> consciousness, as if the physical world was a self-sufficient closed
      >> system
      >> that exists in isolation and absolute separation from consciousness. How
      >> mad.
      >>
      >> Regan
      >> _____
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: Light Eye
      >> To: Global_Rumblings@... ; SpeakIt@... ;
      >> SkyOpen@yahoogroups.com ; ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com ;
      >> changingplanetgroup@yahoogroups.com
      >> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:01 AM
      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Penrose: The Answer's Not 42
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      >>
      >> Dear Friends,
      >>
      >> This is a 2 page article so click the link if you can't proceed tot he
      >> next
      >> page.
      >>
      >> http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,66751,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_2
      >>
      >> Love and Light.
      >>
      >> David
      >>
      >>
      >> Penrose: The Answer's Not 42
      >>
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      >> By Mark Anderson | Also by this reporter Page 1 of 2 next »
      >>
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      >> 02:00 AM Mar. 02, 2005 PT
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      >> In 1998, Stephen Hawking laid 50-50 odds that the holy grail of physics,
      >> the
      >> elusive "theory of everything," was less than 20 years away.
      >>
      >> Around the same time, Hawking's renowned peer, collaborator and
      >> sometime-disputant, Roger Penrose of Oxford University, set out to write
      >> a
      >> book detailing just how distant the odds actually are of unifying all the
      >> laws of physics.
      >> "We are nowhere close to an accurate, purely physical theory of
      >> everything,"
      >> Penrose told Nature earlier this year.
      >>
      >> Indeed, Penrose's newly published 1,099-page treatise -- The Road to
      >> Reality: A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe -- expends little
      >> ink
      >> ruminating over what is not known. Rather, The Road to Reality is as
      >> rigorous and exhaustive a map to the "theory of nearly everything" as a
      >> reader could hope to find today.
      >>
      >> Penrose makes a unique tour guide, overhauling components of big-bang
      >> cosmology and quantum mechanics as some tinkerers might take out and
      >> reinstall their car's transmission. And Penrose's tendency to pepper the
      >> discussion with mathematical equations and terminology (he spends nearly
      >> 400
      >> pages on calculus, number theory and advanced geometry before decamping
      >> into
      >> the physical universe) will undoubtedly limit the book's readership to
      >> those
      >> not easily intimidated by section titles such as "frequency splitting on
      >> the
      >> Riemann sphere" or "Hamiltonian dynamics and symplectic geometry."
      >>
      >> Yet, according to professor Seth Lloyd of MIT, those willing to invest
      >> the
      >> energy to work through this mathematical Finnegans Wake will be rewarded
      >> for
      >> their efforts.
      >>
      >> The Road to Reality, Lloyd says, "shows (Penrose's) brilliant and unique
      >> grasp of mathematics as it applies to the physical world. That is
      >> evidenced
      >> in the first part. The second part of the book shows his courageousness
      >> in
      >> going on to propose fundamental physical effects even in the absence of
      >> an
      >> explicit theory, which he thinks intuitively to be true. So he's very
      >> bold
      >> as well as original and insightful."
      >>
      >> Those fundamental physical effects that Penrose proposes in Road, some of
      >> which were first covered in his 1989 best-selling book, The Emperor's New
      >> Mind: Concerning Computers, Minds and the Laws of Physics, are as
      >> controversial as they are bold.
      >>
      >> For instance, despite the stampede of physicists today seeking to unify
      >> all
      >> physical theories under the aegis of string theory, Penrose thinks his
      >> colleagues are on a wild goose chase.
      >>
      >> In 2002, Penrose spoke at Stephen Hawking's 60th birthday celebration.
      >> Penrose argued that the underlying assumption of string theory -- that
      >> space-time consists of anywhere from 10 to 26 dimensions -- is simply
      >> wrongheaded and unmotivated by either intuition or evidence. (Penrose
      >> devotes much of the last four chapters of his book to this same argument
      >> and
      >> to an alternative model he sets up in string theory's absence, using a
      >> mathematical formalism Penrose invented called "twistors.")
      >>
      >> One colleague, Penrose said, responded during the conference's lunch
      >> break
      >> with the observation, "You're completely right, of course ... but totally
      >> misguided."
      >>
      >> Story continued on Page 2 »
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