4051Re: [ufodiscussion] "Artificial Species" - Robot With "Chromosomes"
- Feb 28, 2005So it was robots that made us, then, Bill. After reading the
Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, I'd thought it was the mice! Ah well, I
learn something new every day.
Nature is the superset that contains ALL? If only orthodox
scientists would accept this! The Grand Unified Theory of Everything would
then be within their reach.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hamilton
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] "Artificial Species" - Robot With "Chromosomes"
Didn't you know? Humans were created by robots. The robots knew that
evolve to create more robots. And around and around we go.
RI is NOT = AI
How does AI interpret this phrase? "Time flies"?
Some species of fly? right?
All of these ideas are a product of naturalism. There is nothing outside of
Nature is the superset that contains ALL. That is how scientific thinking
is led astray,
and, in turn, how they lead others astray.
----- Original Message -----
From: Regan Power
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] "Artificial Species" - Robot With
Further to our discussions about Intelligent Design, here is
item of potential confusion for questing minds to grapple with -
intelligence. To me, the article below illustrates how the distinction
between real intelligence (RI) and artificial intelligence (AI) is
evermore blurred for gullible orthodox scientists, as they gain more and
more facility with computer-technology and hypnotise themselves more and
more with perceptions of their own cleverness accordingly. This author
writes as though there is basically no difference between species of AI
species of RI! "Ritys can feel happy, angry and sad. They also have
or intentions," he quotes the inventor of artificial chromosomes for
as saying. He enthuses over their life-like properties, but omits to
mention that there is no real, live entity inside the robot which could
experience any actual feelings of happiness, etc., or have any actual
sensations of desire, or actual sense of intention. And he even sabotages
the Reader's awareness of the RI-AI difference later on in the article,
he reports that the inventor 'also took note of Richard Dawkin's saying
and other animals are machines created by our genes" in his paper.' What
unscientific denial of the reality of the conscious intelligence that is
essence of a living being!
To my mind, this article is an example of "science" at its most
deceptive. It uses the power of oblique suggestion to get past the
critical faculties and to gain his or her acceptance of a false and
view of him/herself as being nothing more than a machine. As I'm sure
everyone here is already well-aware, this is the mechanistic mindset of
orthodox science with which the exponents of Intelligent Design (and,
indeed, everyone who has a grain of common sense) are having to contend.
is obviously wrong because it flies in the face of every conscious
direct experience of their self and of their own life. There is something
qualitatively different about the workings of consciousness that cannot be
reduced to the unconscious functions of a machine. The mechanistic
is absurd and at-odds with reality. Yet it is the prevailing mindset on
No wonder the aliens say we're in trouble!
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From: Light Eye
To: Global Rumblings ; Speak It ; ufodiscussion ;
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 6:49 PM
Subject: [ufodiscussion] "Artificial Species" - Robot With "Chromosomes"
Love and Light.
"Artificial species"- Robot with "chromosomes"www.chinaview.cn 2005-02-24
SEOUL, Feb. 24 (Xinhuanet) -- Robots can "feel" happy, sad,
angry,drowsy, hungry or fearful. They also have various personalities
decided by "chromosomes" in their bodies. Dose it sound crazy? No,that is
what a South Korean professor is working on.
Kim Jong-hwan, director of the Intelligent Robot Research Center(IRRC)
at the Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology (KAIST), has
started working on inventing such Robot since year of 2000.
Under Kim's leadership, the IRRC has created "artificial chromosomes"
for Robot and implanted them to several intelligent software "dogs" whose
surnames is "Rity" "live" in cyber world.
"'Artificial chromosomes' is a software in nature which was modeled
based on human DNA," said Kim in an e-mail interview of Xinhua on last
Wednesday. "But unlike the complicated double helixof human DNA, the
artificial chromosomes only have simple single strand of 'genetic code',"
Kim's research group has wrote 14 chromosomes totalling only 2,000
of data in every such software and embedded it in Rity.
Ritys can feel happy, angry and sad. They also have desire or
intentions, they can even make decisions with the chromosomes, Prof.Kim
With its "sensory organs" - cameras, sensors and sound systems-Ritys
make 77 different reactions to 47 different types of stimuli. Since
chromosomes decide "personality" of Robots, no two "Rity" reacted the same
way to the same external environment.
"Now, we are working on installing chromosomes to hardware robots,"
added Kim in his e-mail.
What's fantastic is Kim is also inventing on "X" and "Y" chromosomes
robot which will make it has sex! "So, if a male and female robot love
other, 'reproducing' is possible."
The professor further explained that the "reproduction" can be
"by crossover between two set of parents robots' chromosomes in virtual
world of computer."
"Then, the new set of chromosomes will be implanted to a new software
robot or hardware robot." Thus, robots will historically give birth of
Kim also pointed out the specifications, such as size, sensor system,
motor system of the "baby" robot should be the same as those of its
When asked whether such kind of robots would become "enemy" of human,
the professor answered what he is doing is inputting mild-tempered and
submissive "inherited genic information" to robots, which could prevent
In the mid-1990s, when Kim first offered his mind to hold robotsoccer
world cup, people also cannot understand him. But now, the robot football
world cup became most popular games loved both by robot researchers and
ordinary people in the world.
The Times entitled Kim as Father of Robot Football in the September
edition. The South Korean professor now is also President of the
of International Robot-soccer Association and Chairman of the
Robot Olympiad Committee.
Explaining why he wants to make robots have their own chromosomes, Kim
said in the beginning part of his paper, "Most ofrobot researchers have
so preoccupied with inventing robots that job, wiggle fingers, shake hands
and otherwise behave in wayslike human, they have not spent enough time on
seeking the essenceof 'what it means to be robot'. "
"They have been devoted to develop and improve functionalities of
..., without mentioning the essence of the robot as an ' artificial
Kim also took note of Richard Dawkin's saying "We and other animals
machines created by our genes" in his paper. He further said artificial
chromosome is the "essence" to define the "personality" of a robot and to
pass on its traits to the next generation, like a "genetic inheritance".
"It is an essential component for simulated evolution, which
defines 'The Origin of Artificial Species'."
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