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  • Jahnets
    Jan 4, 2005
      The difference between us Don is that I don't focus on the mistakes people
      make and unless I know for sure I don't assume it was intentional. I try to
      look at them from their point of view and give them the benefit of the
      doubt. That is why I question, to see if I'm missing something so I can
      fully understand the direction someone is coming from. Only then can I
      decide if I agree or not. Unfortunately while I'm asking you questions to
      clarify things for me, I look at things very deeply and most don't look at
      their own feelings and beliefs as deeply and so get upset with me as it
      tends to point other things out. But no I don't like to argue. I do like to
      brainstorm with others and figure things out.



      -----Original Message-----
      From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
      Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:27 PM
      To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don



      Janet,

      I understand your case and position on it; I said so. I just hope you
      understand *my* case and position that such "human" terms and judgments,
      both "negative" AND "positive", *MIGHT* be applicable to at least SOME ET
      behavior too, NOT that they definitely are.

      Don


      Jahnets wrote:
      >
      > Don, I was just sharing info that I have with you. Not argueing... It just
      > so happens that I have noticed this as a problem holding us back from
      > contact. I realized this and have in the last few days also been talking
      to
      > other people about the same. When you wrote that last sentence I thought
      > there it is again... I'm not on your case. Geez... I am simply trying to
      > understand all the details of the different discussions and the way people
      > feel. Why do you think I can point this out Don? Not from logic, from
      > experience...I kept making the same mistake in a nicer mode but still the
      > same thing and a being that I talk to kept telling me he wasn't a human. I
      > finally got it and I'm just trying to share something so it doesn't hold
      you
      > or anyone else back... Sorry..;
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
      > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:49 PM
      > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
      >
      > Janet,
      >
      > Yes, I was referring to an example that you used several times before
      about
      > spiders. As for a "con" being ONLY a human trait or judgment, how do you
      > know this? I could just as easily say that ET's are "caring and
      > benevolent",
      > and by your logic, THAT could be called ONLY a "human trait" and judgment
      > also.
      > By your logic, ALL behavior exhibited by ETs cannot be classified
      according
      > to
      > ANY of our "judgments", either "positive", "negative", or "neutral". And
      > you
      > know what? Esentially I agree with you. All we have to go on in
      assessing
      > the behavior and motives of ETs is relating such to our own. Therefore,
      > when
      > I see behavior of ETs that strongly resembles a particular type of *human*
      > behavior, I am apt to clasify such behavior the way I see it. That is, I
      > will
      > tend to classify it in *human* terms, with the caveat that I may be wrong
      > just
      > because they are ETs and may be operating under quite different
      motivations
      > than
      > us. In the quoted part of my post I DID say that they *COULD* be acting
      > like a
      > "con", not that they *were* DEFINITIVELY acting that way. I said that it
      > was
      > *possible*.
      >
      > Intuitively, though, I would have to say that the whole gamut of human
      > emotions
      > from altruism and love to deception and abuse certainly *could* and
      probably
      > do
      > exist at ALL "levels" of consciouness/reality. Therefore, I see a "con"
      and
      > deception as being highly likely in *certain* circumstances. My "gut
      > instincts"
      > tell me so. ;-)
      >
      > BTW, why didn't you comment on the rest of my post in which I essentially
      > agree
      > with you and expanded on some of your ideas? It seems to me that you
      enjoy
      > arguing. Excuse me if I am wrong about this perception of you, but I do
      NOT
      > enjoy arguments for their own sake. I haven't paid for the five minute
      nor
      > the
      > ten minute argument. ;-)
      >
      > Don
      >
      > Jahnets wrote:
      > >
      > > "However, the point you made about people's "irrational" fear of things
      > > like spiders(EEWW! I really do HATE spiders! lol) makes sense too. Once
      > > one understands that the spider is probably much more afraid of you than
      > > you are of it and has no "predatory" intentions toward you, then you can
      > > approach the situation with much more reason. Again, though, when
      > something
      > > IS *truly* predatory, I think that we can sense it to our bones. Your
      > > explanation about the spider may be true but it could also be true that
      a
      > > "predator" can, through continued and repetitive contact, gain one's
      > "false"
      > > confidence like a con man and convince one that they are not a
      predator."
      > >
      > > Don, I didn't say anything about spiders here so this must be from a
      long
      > > time ago??? However that last sentence is exactly what I feel is a human
      > > judgement. They aren't human and don't act like us... See what I mean.
      > Just
      > > because humans are cons doesn't mean another race will act in a like
      > manner.
      > > They aren't human. ;-)
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
      > > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 1:54 AM
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
      > >
      > > Janet,
      > >
      > > I don't remember the squirrel in Taken, then I didn't see every episode
      > all
      > > the way through. As for that feeling of fear when they are approaching,
      I
      > > have several *possible* explanations for it. Primarily, I still go back
      > to
      > > the "truth" within our basic instincts. Just because they are
      "primitive"
      > > doesn't mean that they are wrong or "outdated". They are very often
      > right.
      > > They always say that "first impressions" that one has of someone are
      most
      > > often correct; something just doesn't "feel right" about them.
      > >
      > > However, the point you made about people's "irrational" fear of things
      > > like spiders(EEWW! I really do HATE spiders! lol) makes sense too. Once
      > > one understands that the spider is probably much more afraid of you than
      > > you are of it and has no "predatory" intentions toward you, then you can
      > > approach the situation with much more reason. Again, though, when
      > something
      > > IS *truly* predatory, I think that we can sense it to our bones. Your
      > > explanation about the spider may be true but it could also be true that
      a
      > > "predator" can, through continued and repetitive contact, gain one's
      > "false"
      > > confidence like a con man and convince one that they are not a predator.
      > >
      > > In the case of your relationship with your Grey, though, I DID say that
      I
      > > thought it quite plausible that there are a number of greys that want to
      > > regain more human based emotions which they had lost, as in Spielberg's
      > > "Taken". Yours may be one of the more successful ones in this endeavor.
      > >
      > > I agree with you about the intensity of the original fear probably being
      > > *primarily* a result of the "force" released when the "dimensional door"
      > > is opened. It is why all the dogs start barking and howling when there
      is
      > > a close encounter taking place. I said that I sensed they actually are
      > > responsible for "creating and directing" time itself. If this is so,
      > since
      > > our ego consciousness is so fixated upon "time", it would be no wonder
      > that
      > > an initial close psychological contact with them would make one feel
      like
      > > their very ego identity were being "torn apart", as many abductees
      > describe.
      > > Afterall, the person is entering a realm wherein linear time starts to
      > break
      > > up, so too then does the ego feel the same. Again, I'm not sure that
      this
      > > is
      > > intentional on the entities' part; it may just be incidental as part of
      > the
      > > contact experience as I described above. However, I still feel that
      they
      > > (most of them, anyway) have lost the empathy to truly understand the
      > effect
      > > that this has on people. Again, I think that "Taken" paints a fairly
      good
      > > picture of their basic psychology.
      > >
      > > As for your "nanite" question in your other post, I have never heard of
      > the
      > > "bite marks" that you describe.
      > >
      > > Don
      > >
      > > Jahnets wrote:
      > > >
      > > > One more thing Don, that feeling you got when you knew they were
      > coming...
      > > > That feeling of overwhelming fear... I understand that as I used to
      get
      > it
      > > > too. For some time I worked on getting over that. I would want to talk
      > to
      > > > them and still my body would react that way. It took me some time to
      get
      > > > over the flight or fright syndrome and I think I figured it out. It is
      > > when
      > > > they come into our dimension. Somehow the opening causes it. I'm
      pretty
      > > > sure... It's either that or the energy field around them. It's like a
      > > > natural fear response in your body to an overload of energy. Did you
      see
      > > > Taken? I bet you really had a reaction the the squirrel huh...
      > > >
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
      > > > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:38 PM
      > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
      > > >
      > > > I saw "finger puppet people", which are sometimes screen memories of
      > > Greys.
      > > > When I read
      > > > of other reports of alien abduction hidden as dreams, these peopole
      > > > described similar
      > > > stories as mine and their abductors/visitors were Greys. It's true; I
      > > don't
      > > > know for sure
      > > > what kind of beings they were. I've even entertained the possibility
      > that
      > > > this could have
      > > > all been a part of an MK-ULTRA mind control experiment by the
      > government.
      > > I
      > > > have all the
      > > > "markers" for that too: father an ex-military man; mother treated for
      > > > multiple mental
      > > > disorders in a hospital that was given funding by the CIA at that
      time;
      > I
      > > > lived a quarter
      > > > mile from a Naval Air Station. I admit, I don't know for sure what
      even
      > > > actually hppened,
      > > > or whether I was even abducted. As for the rest of my
      > > stories/speculations,
      > > > I'm just going
      > > > on intuition and what I have read in numerous reports. Again, I'm
      just
      > > > telling my *OWN*
      > > > feelings/ideas/speculations on this subject overall; I admit I may be
      > > wrong.
      > > > However, *right
      > > > now* I strongly feel that I'm on the right track.
      > > >
      > > > Jahnets wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > I'm confused about something Don, I thought you didn't see the
      beings
      > > but
      > > > > were scared by a light and then had missing time? If so how do you
      > know
      > > > what
      > > > > kind of beings they were???
      > > > >
      > > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > > From: DRxDON [mailto:drxdon@...]
      > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:35 PM
      > > > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > > > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] To Don
      > > > >
      > > > > Yes Dex, I know that you see things differently. However, I have
      > strong
      > > > > "instincts"
      > > > > that I trust very well. I sensed a VERY palpable feeling of
      "menace"
      > > that
      > > > > was much
      > > > > different, as I stated, than just a small boy being afraid of
      > something
      > > > > unknown. If
      > > > > they were trying to "tease" me, they obviously had no understanding
      of
      > > > human
      > > > > psychology.
      > > > > This is quite possible too, as the way I see it, these beings have
      > lost
      > > > > their contact
      > > > > with the "Source" and thereby their sense of compassion and empathy
      > with
      > > > > other beings.
      > > > > As I said, I think that the Spielberg series "Taken" does a fairly
      > good
      > > > job
      > > > > of describing
      > > > > their psychology,..almost. They may have had some lost feeble
      notion
      > of
      > > > > what "teasing"
      > > > > is, but the fact that they had no telepathic empathic understanding
      of
      > > the
      > > > > terror which
      > > > > they were inspiring within me showed their true lack of
      understanding.
      > > > >
      > > > > Such "negative" beings, as see these entities, may have their place
      in
      > > our
      > > > > overall
      > > > > "training" as an "ordeal by fire", however that doesn't change their
      > > true
      > > > > nature. It
      > > > > doesn't mean that they had any *personal* intent on their own to
      > > > "enlighten"
      > > > > me. Nor
      > > > > does it mean that they have any idea whatsoever about any kind of
      > "role"
      > > > > that they are
      > > > > playing in our own development. The Hindu Bagavaghita describes
      such
      > > > > entities perfectly
      > > > > as the "Asuras"; beings with vast technological knowledge and power
      > but
      > > > > "filled with
      > > > > darkness"(spiritual ignorance). They are "desperate" entities
      trying
      > to
      > > > > maintain their
      > > > > existence. Any benefit or "enlightenment" that we may gain though
      our
      > > > > contact or
      > > > > experience with them is either purely incidental or a result of our
      > own
      > > > > reactive survival
      > > > > insticts, as when people become "stronger" and more spiritually
      serene
      > > > after
      > > > > living throgh
      > > > > some disaster or catastrophe.
      > > > >
      > > > > I don't believe in "God", though I do believe in something like the
      > > > "Force"
      > > > > in Star Wars.
      > > > > There are many "gods", in my view; some "greater", some "lessser".
      We
      > > may
      > > > > be the resultant
      > > > > "product" of an "Orignal Greater god" who had some kind of "plan"
      for
      > > us,
      > > > > but many other
      > > > > "lesser gods" have interfered since. And also, because of our own
      > FREE
      > > > > WILL, we have LONG
      > > > > since deviated from any such "Original Plan" and there is no turning
      > > back
      > > > > now. We are our
      > > > > OWN gods, as the Serpent lead us to believe and as Jesus himself
      > > > encouraged
      > > > > us to realize.
      > > > > The only way for our "salvation" now is to realize and *actualize*
      our
      > > own
      > > > > GODHOOD,..the
      > > > > sooner the better.
      > > > >
      > > > > Dex, you seem to believe that you have a vast metaphysical
      > understanding
      > > > > because of your
      > > > > experiences. You have been with the "angels" and the "Hosts" and
      they
      > > > have
      > > > > told you much.
      > > > > I myself believe...(that word) that I too have a vast metaphysical
      > > > > understanding but I have
      > > > > NEVER been instructed by ANY "angels", "Hosts", or beings of any
      kind.
      > > My
      > > > > understanding
      > > > > comes from ***WITHIN*** and I trust it quite well.
      > > > >
      > > > > Don
      > > > >
      > > > > dexxxaa wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > I would run around the house and hide
      > > > > > under tables and in corners but the light would follow me as if it
      > > > > > were "taunting" me.
      > > > > > *****************
      > > > > > Note my differing attitude. It may make a difference.
      > > > > > How about 'teasing' you instead. Kinder. More connected.
      > > > > > What kind of difference you might be thinking? Deep...unable to
      > > > > > comply... I can't describe it, but I believe it makes a differenc
      in
      > > > > > our training here. Who's doing the training and why? What is this
      > > > > > training? Cultivating the 'seed of Life'? I've learned most of the
      > > > > > time it's "God" working through it's 'Host'.
      > > > > > Dex
      > > > > >
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