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13154Re: [ufodiscussion] Cross Talk

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  • Dex
    Aug 11, 2009
      Ted wrote:

      Said , so perfectly
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      Oh Yeah, but what about the sentence structuring?..a mess, and look at the
      grammar..egads, and lets not forget his punctuation's..an atrocity....but
      yeah, he said it nicely.

      haha
      Dex

      Although I have not met DonDep in person as Bill has, I have read
      > > enough of his postings at the Golden Thread forum to have formed the
      same
      > > impression of him as Bill has done, i.e. that he believes only what he
      > > wants
      > > to believe. I think Dex is probably correct in pointing out that we
      all
      > > do
      > > this, but for me the point is that some of us want to believe only what
      is
      > > true regardless of what we might like to believe instead. My
      impression
      > > of
      > > DonDep is that he is unwilling to modify his beliefs in the light of new
      > > data that contradicts them or casts doubt upon them. I may be wrong
      about
      > > that of course, but his open breaking of his own rules on the GT forum
      and
      > > his active suppression of views that contradict his own (by deleting
      > > dissenting posts) do not give me cause to hope that I am wrong about it
      in
      > > fact. (Incidentally, his apparently arbitrary manner of administering
      the
      > > GT forum is the reason for my preferring to post here rather than there.
      > > Here I can express myself freely without fear of my posts being
      censored
      > > at
      > > the personal whims of the moderator.)
      > >
      > > In regard to his believing what he wants to believe though,
      DonDep
      > > seems no different to most other people to me. Indeed, the rarity in my
      > > experience is to come across someone who does not do it. It seems we
      are
      > > a
      > > stubbornly paranoid species by and large and I think our collective
      > > problem
      > > is essentially that of curing ourselves of our paranoia before it gets
      too
      > > late. Already we are involved in a limitless, never-ending, global
      "War
      > > on
      > > Terror" because of our general willingness to believe in the lies and
      > > illusions that manipulative politicians have spun to us in the certain
      > > foreknowledge that they would speak to our paranoia and so most people
      > > would
      > > lap them up without questioning them. Why do otherwise intelligent
      people
      > > believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by Bin Laden and carried out by
      > > Islamist
      > > fanatics armed only with box-cutters, or that Sadam Hussein was
      harbouring
      > > WMDs in Iraq, or that Iran is developing a nuclear weapons capability
      with
      > > which to threaten Israel, or that Jews are a victim-people, or that the
      > > secret intelligence community has the interests of the people at heart,
      or
      > > that one's own nation is the most important nation on earth? None of
      > > these
      > > popular beliefs stands up to the slightest honest scrutiny but large
      > > masses
      > > of people believe them fervently and are basing their lives and actions
      on
      > > them (along with countless other false and misguided beliefs too). It
      > > seems
      > > to me that the world has fallen into its present terrible state of
      > > unclarifiable confusion, uncontrollable chaos and irredeemable suffering
      > > simply because so many people do not care enough about the truth and are
      > > believing illusions that they prefer instead. How can their doing that
      > > possibly have a happy outcome? Surely it is the highway to insane
      > > nightmares and hell.
      > >
      > > This self-deceiving tendency can also be seen to afflict the UFO
      > > community in large measure. All the impassioned doom-saying and
      > > prophecying
      > > that appeared a few months ago at the GT forum about an imagined
      > > pole-shift
      > > to be induced at an uncertain time by an elusive "Planet X" that cannot
      be
      > > located or detected, is a typical example of it (or rather, it was one
      > > until
      > > DonDep closed the post archives to non-members recently). It would
      take
      > > too
      > > long to rehash all the arguments involved now, so suffice it to say
      that
      > > the
      > > Planet X/Pole Shift proposition was presented in great technical detail
      > > but
      > > without a shred of credible physical evidence to support it. (In that
      > > respect it seemed to me just like Colin Powell's infamous 2003
      > > presentation
      > > to the UN of the Western Coalition's "intelligence report" detailing
      > > Iraq's
      > > non-existant WMDs, in which a satellite-photo of an ice-cream truck was
      > > construed as a mobile bioweapons laboratory!) Yet most of the posting
      > > members of GT endorsed the Planet X/Pole Shift proposition vociferously
      > > and
      > > the one member who tried to subject it to some critical objective
      testing
      > > was censured and censored by DonDep for doing so. And DonDep apparently
      > > thought he was doing just the right and proper thing too! It seems a
      > > petty
      > > affair, but how was it any different to a medieval inquisitor
      condemning a
      > > heretic to a gruesome death for the sake of their soul? Certainly, it
      was
      > > not truth-seeking. It was people believing what they wanted to believe
      > > and
      > > ruthless intellectual repression being applied to detractors, as far as
      I
      > > could see.
      > >
      > > As I said, that was just one typical example of what seems to me
      to
      > > pass all-too-often for collective truth-seeking on the net. Things are
      > > gradually improving but I think it is going to take quite a while yet
      for
      > > the overall situation to evolve into something better - in terms of more
      > > honest and objective communication happening as the norm instead of the
      > > exception as at present. So I feel that we need to have a lot of
      patience
      > > with ourselves and one another while this natural evolutionary process
      is
      > > going on.
      > >
      > > Regan
      > >
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