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13148Re: [ufodiscussion] Cross Talk

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  • Rich Allen
    Aug 10, 2009
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      So true! I had a neighbor once, who belonged to a small Christian cult
      who believed that the world was going to end.
      Every two years or so, when it didn't they would adjust the date in
      order to continue to collects membership dues.
      They would say to me, how do you pan on surviving the end of the world.
      I would say, well, you can't survive the end of the world, because if
      you survive, it wasn't the end of the world.
      They would say, oh, I'll survive then end of the world.
      I would say, not really, because if you survive, it wasn't the end of
      the world.
      Oh no, he said, my personal Saviour has told me that I can survive the
      end of the world.
      Well, if there are any survivors, then obviously, the world didn't end.
      . . .

      You can't argue logically with baby's. you have to eventually just not
      talk to then about it any more.

      That is why I read this, and not GT Forum.


      Bill Hamilton wrote:
      > Excellent response Regan. I did not want to belabor the point, but I
      > do not necessarily compel others to believe as I do. My view is
      > modifying over time and I doubt very much if I believe what I did a
      > year ago ro ten years ago. It takes a continual evaluation and
      > re-evaluation facts, theories, reports, and other points of view, but
      > I do not believe in suppressing what others wish to suppress.
      > I think I saw planet X last night in the sky! Oh no, it was just the
      > moon.
      > Bill Hamilton AstroScience Research Network
      > http://www.astrosciences.info/ <http://www.astrosciences.info/> All
      > truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is
      > to discover them. Galileo Galilei
      > > To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      > <mailto:ufodiscussion%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > From: masanga@... <mailto:masanga%40talktalk.net>
      > > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:20:58 +0100
      > > Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Cross Talk
      > >
      > > Although I have not met DonDep in person as Bill has, I have read
      > > enough of his postings at the Golden Thread forum to have formed the
      > same
      > > impression of him as Bill has done, i.e. that he believes only what
      > he wants
      > > to believe. I think Dex is probably correct in pointing out that we
      > all do
      > > this, but for me the point is that some of us want to believe only
      > what is
      > > true regardless of what we might like to believe instead. My
      > impression of
      > > DonDep is that he is unwilling to modify his beliefs in the light of new
      > > data that contradicts them or casts doubt upon them. I may be wrong
      > about
      > > that of course, but his open breaking of his own rules on the GT
      > forum and
      > > his active suppression of views that contradict his own (by deleting
      > > dissenting posts) do not give me cause to hope that I am wrong about
      > it in
      > > fact. (Incidentally, his apparently arbitrary manner of
      > administering the
      > > GT forum is the reason for my preferring to post here rather than there.
      > > Here I can express myself freely without fear of my posts being
      > censored at
      > > the personal whims of the moderator.)
      > >
      > > In regard to his believing what he wants to believe though, DonDep
      > > seems no different to most other people to me. Indeed, the rarity in my
      > > experience is to come across someone who does not do it. It seems we
      > are a
      > > stubbornly paranoid species by and large and I think our collective
      > problem
      > > is essentially that of curing ourselves of our paranoia before it
      > gets too
      > > late. Already we are involved in a limitless, never-ending, global
      > "War on
      > > Terror" because of our general willingness to believe in the lies and
      > > illusions that manipulative politicians have spun to us in the certain
      > > foreknowledge that they would speak to our paranoia and so most
      > people would
      > > lap them up without questioning them. Why do otherwise intelligent
      > people
      > > believe that 9/11 was orchestrated by Bin Laden and carried out by
      > Islamist
      > > fanatics armed only with box-cutters, or that Sadam Hussein was
      > harbouring
      > > WMDs in Iraq, or that Iran is developing a nuclear weapons
      > capability with
      > > which to threaten Israel, or that Jews are a victim-people, or that the
      > > secret intelligence community has the interests of the people at
      > heart, or
      > > that one's own nation is the most important nation on earth? None of
      > these
      > > popular beliefs stands up to the slightest honest scrutiny but large
      > masses
      > > of people believe them fervently and are basing their lives and
      > actions on
      > > them (along with countless other false and misguided beliefs too).
      > It seems
      > > to me that the world has fallen into its present terrible state of
      > > unclarifiable confusion, uncontrollable chaos and irredeemable suffering
      > > simply because so many people do not care enough about the truth and are
      > > believing illusions that they prefer instead. How can their doing that
      > > possibly have a happy outcome? Surely it is the highway to insane
      > > nightmares and hell.
      > >
      > > This self-deceiving tendency can also be seen to afflict the UFO
      > > community in large measure. All the impassioned doom-saying and
      > prophecying
      > > that appeared a few months ago at the GT forum about an imagined
      > pole-shift
      > > to be induced at an uncertain time by an elusive "Planet X" that
      > cannot be
      > > located or detected, is a typical example of it (or rather, it was
      > one until
      > > DonDep closed the post archives to non-members recently). It would
      > take too
      > > long to rehash all the arguments involved now, so suffice it to say
      > that the
      > > Planet X/Pole Shift proposition was presented in great technical
      > detail but
      > > without a shred of credible physical evidence to support it. (In that
      > > respect it seemed to me just like Colin Powell's infamous 2003
      > presentation
      > > to the UN of the Western Coalition's "intelligence report" detailing
      > Iraq's
      > > non-existant WMDs, in which a satellite-photo of an ice-cream truck was
      > > construed as a mobile bioweapons laboratory!) Yet most of the posting
      > > members of GT endorsed the Planet X/Pole Shift proposition
      > vociferously and
      > > the one member who tried to subject it to some critical objective
      > testing
      > > was censured and censored by DonDep for doing so. And DonDep apparently
      > > thought he was doing just the right and proper thing too! It seems a
      > petty
      > > affair, but how was it any different to a medieval inquisitor
      > condemning a
      > > heretic to a gruesome death for the sake of their soul? Certainly,
      > it was
      > > not truth-seeking. It was people believing what they wanted to
      > believe and
      > > ruthless intellectual repression being applied to detractors, as far
      > as I
      > > could see.
      > >
      > > As I said, that was just one typical example of what seems to me to
      > > pass all-too-often for collective truth-seeking on the net. Things are
      > > gradually improving but I think it is going to take quite a while
      > yet for
      > > the overall situation to evolve into something better - in terms of more
      > > honest and objective communication happening as the norm instead of the
      > > exception as at present. So I feel that we need to have a lot of
      > patience
      > > with ourselves and one another while this natural evolutionary
      > process is
      > > going on.
      > >
      > > Regan
      > >
      > >
      > >
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