12784Re: [ufodiscussion] FW: [prepare4contact] For Dex & Regan, and anyone else
- Mar 5, 2009Back from the Congress and back on line.
After reading your response all I have to say is BRILLIANT
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] FW: [prepare4contact] For Dex & Regan, and
> Thanks for forwarding Dean's comments. I do not intend to enter
> into argument about any points with him but, for the benefit of the
> of this forum, I will simply state my own position in response to his
> criticisms of the points I made in my previous post. However please feel
> free to forward this reply to him if you wish. My responses follow
> individual points of his that are reproduced in quotes below.
> "First of all, from the theosophical perspective, you have to realise that
> 'covenant,' as well as the 'fall' of man is Christian/Catholic
> bogus dogma."
> I disagree. To my knowledge humanity's covenant with the Divinity
> and the Fall of man predate christianity and are enshrined in other world
> religions besides christianity. One does not need to look far to find
> examples. The Covenant and the Fall are both referred to in the Biblical
> Old Testament, which predates christianity and is shared in common with
> Judaism (also with the Moslem religion, but that came after christianity.)
> "Secondly, it is metaphysically impossible for any chakra to be 'knocked
> out' of the aura, because of a blown up planet (unless it was
> I did not say that the 8th chakra was "knocked out of the aura",
> although I suppose that would be implied if it was "knocked out of
> commision" as I did say. Obviously I disagree with Dean that it would
> been impossible for the explosion of a planet to do this. As I explained
> my earlier post, I believe the effect was produced on etheric and astral
> levels. Planets also have etheric and astral bodies as I understand them
> and when the 5th planet in our system exploded its etheric and astral
> discharged their stored energy suddenly in the form of a shock-wave (or
> rather, two shock-waves, one on each level). This shock-wave would not
> necessarily have dissipated according to the inverse square law that
> radiation follows in normal "physical" space because it was not being
> propagated through normal "physical" space. Any astral and etheric
> on earth that were receptive to it, such as human chakras that happened to
> be in resonance with its energy, could have received powerful jolts that
> exceeded their normal operating ranges. This would have been destructive
> the receiving system if it was unable to discharge the in-coming energy of
> the shock-wave simultaneously, in the same way that an electromagnetic
> (EMP) from a solar flare or a nuclear bomb will "knock out" electronic
> equipment (by frying its circuitry).
> ".....or due to any kind of punishment from an anthropomorphic
> I don't know what "an anthropomorphic Jehovah" has got to do with
> it. At least, I was not suggesting that any such deity had any hand in
> causing the Fall of Man. As I explained in my previous post, in my view
> Fall happened because some of the terrestrials of the day had begun to
> develop ego-attachments of various kinds. To me the Fall was not a
> punishment for wrongdoing. It was just the natural consequence of their
> psychological actions.
> "and there are billions of souls who have not evolved to the point where
> ajna chakra (clairvoyance) is present in the aura."
> I can only say to this that in all the years that I have spent
> studying and examining people's chakras I have never met anyone whose ajna
> chakra was absent from their chakra system. However, I have met plenty
> whose ajna chakra's characteristic indigo colour was undetectable in their
> personal auras. But the aura is the radiation of the chakra system and is
> not the chakra system itself. The chakras are like suns radiating their
> individual rainbow colours into the auric field and the well-known laws of
> colour-mixing apply. In other words if, say, someone's ajna (indigo) and
> manipura (yellow) chakras are radiating most strongly, these two
> colour radiations will blend to produce a turqoise aura and the indigo
> radiation of the ajna chakra may not be visible. But it could be the
> dominant chakra! I have found that it is practically impossible to judge
> person's grade of evolutionary advancement from their aura.
> "P.S. Regan, for you the earth may be a 'nightmare existence into which we
> had been plunged,'......."
> No, it is not that for me at all any more! I was speaking of the
> unfortunates who had just undergone the Fall and I used the word "we"
> because I was one of them. To find yourself suddenly trapped in an
> illusory dreamworld that you cannot predict and cannot control and in
> you have no light to guide you but which is filled with dangers, hazards,
> contradictions and pain at every turn is surely a "nightmare existence" by
> anyone's standards.
> "....but among other things it ignores the fact that after God created the
> earth and every living thing, He saw that 'everything was very good,'.....
> No it doesn't. As I understand it people did not stop being good
> virtue of undergoing the Fall. They just became incapable of seeing the
> goodness of themselves and the rest of the universe.
> "....which also illustrates how bogus the Gnostic theology is regarding an
> evil, fallen Lucifer creating the dense physical world....."
> I am not a representative of Gnostic theology and will leave it to
> Dean to dispute its authenticity with committed Gnostics as and when he
> wishes. My view about Lucifer is that he may be an individual angelic
> but it doesn't matter much whether he is or not. The significant matter,
> my view, is that there is a natural force in the human mind which projects
> and maintains this illusory reality of the physical world and whether we
> call it Lucifer or any other name it is a tremendous spiritual problem to
> us - a problem to our consciousness, I mean. I believe this force played
> key-role in the Fall because it rose to dominance in the human mind
> the Fall and subjected the minds of the Fallen to the materialistic
> of physical reality.
> "......As I pointed out in an earlier message regarding Blavatsky (52889),
> Satan doesn't exist, but all the horrible deeds initiated by
> miss-guided/miss-educated human beings are metaphorically satanic."
> I cannot say whether there is an individual Satan any more than I
> can say whether there is an individual Lucifer. However, my view of Satan
> is very much like my view of Lucifer, in that I can recognise there is a
> satanic force of nature which can become dominant in the minds of
> individuals and which can present those affected by it with serious
> spiritual problems. By this token a lot of beings in the universe could
> aptly wear the name of Satan and not just human ones either.
> But let me finish on a positive note. To my way of thinking both
> Lucifer and Satan are natural forces that reside inside us and they have
> positive, valuable roles to play in the creation, maintenance and
> of our lives, our worlds and ourselves. Lucifer, as his name suggests, is
> the bringer of light and although he may bring us the false light of
> illusion, we need to inhabit this illusion for the primary spiritual
> of proving to ourselves that we are gods. Satan, whose name is derived
> the same root as Saturn, is the natural force of limitation and denial and
> without his activity there could be no finite structures in the universe.
> So, no Satan no creation and the world would still be void and darkness
> would still be upon the face of the deep. I think we need to honour all
> the gods as aspects of ourselves, including these two, if we want to be
> whole beings.
> Cheers all,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dex
> To: UFOdiscussion
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:18 PM
> Subject: [ufodiscussion] FW: [prepare4contact] For Dex & Regan, and anyone
> Dean's reply:
> First of all, from the theosophical perspective, you have to realise
> that a "covenant," as well as the "fall" of man is
> Christian/Catholic theological, bogus dogma.
> Secondly, it is metaphysically impossible for any chakra to be
> "knocked out" of the aura, because of a blown up planet (unless
> it was nuclear), or due to any kind of punishment from an
> anthropomorphic Jehovah, and there are billions of souls who have not
> evolved to the point where the ajna chakra (clairvoyance) is present in
> the aura.
> Dex said that at "one point in his history with the Sons of Light in
> other dimensions until the error misuse and abuse caused it [clairvoyant
> faculty] to be taken from him." So, naturally I asked how it was
> possible to remove the ajna chakra from the aura, which is what would
> have to happen in order for the faculty to by "taken." I was
> just pointing out how metaphysically impossible this idea is, therefore,
> the originator of this idea is promoting a metaphysical falsehood, and
> that also includes the "fall."
> Every human soul/spirit is etherically and equally connected with the
> logos that created us, and no one has to make any special proclamation
> to God. All souls naturally incarnate ("voluntarily plunge" into
> the fetus) out of karmic necessity in order to evolve and make the world
> complete as the Logos intended it to be. An anthropomorphic Jehovah
> didn't punish Adam & Eve for an original sin and cause every soul
> that was created after that to be born into sin, which theology is also
> based on the bogus one life to live dogma and a world saviour.
> All anyone need do is live a good life, love & respect your fellow
> man/women, as well as all of nature & mother earth. Anyone can speed up
> the evolution of their soul through meditation, yoga, and exercise if
> that is part of their soul's purpose for this particular
> incarnation, and most every spiritual thinker realises that there are
> several billion incarnated souls right now in the world who haven't
> got the slightest inclination, or the time left, to do that, but since
> our souls are "immortal and "imperishable" every soul
> eventually achieves relative perfection in their own time, which may be
> millions of years in the future on another planet, far, far away, and
> they won't need the Keys of Enoch or the Bible to do it.
> Best regards,
> Dean Sloan-Theosophical Metaphysicist
> P.S. Regan, for you the earth may be a "nightmare existence into
> which we had been plunged," but among other things it ignores the
> fact that after God created the earth and every living thing, He saw
> that "everything was very good," which also illustrates how
> bogus the Gnostic theology is regarding an evil, fallen Lucifer creating
> the dense physical world. As I pointed out in an earlier message
> regarding Blavatsky (52889), Satan doesn't exist, but all the
> horrible deeds initiated by miss-guided/miss-educated human beings are
> metaphorically satanic.
> --- In email@example.com, "Dex" <dexxxaa@...> wrote:
>> Cross posting:
>> Regan writes:
>> > Dex,
>> > After re-reading your original post in this thread I think I've
>> > cottoned on to what Dean was talking about. I think he was thinking
>> > the Fall knocked out one of our chakras (which I think it did too)
> only he
>> > got the wrong one, i.e. he was thinking that it knocked out the 6th,
>> > (indigo) chakra when it actually knocked out the 8th (ultraviolet)
>> > is well known, the 6th chakra is actively present with greater or
>> > degrees of functionality in human beings to this day.
>> > However, I think the Fall did more than just knock out one chakra
>> > those of us who underwent it. It also destabilised all the other
>> > too and reduced their levels of functioning dramatically. The
>> > effect was to turn us into confused and bewildered psychotics whose
>> > connection with cosmic reality had been severed and who now had to
>> > way out of the nightmare existence into which we had been plunged.
>> > Dean seems to have been wondering how the crucial chakra could
>> > been knocked out of commission by the Fall. It's a fair question but
>> > highly technical one which I won't attempt to answer in any detail
>> > now. My understanding, gleaned from various sources, is that just
>> > the Fall some people on earth had already destabilised their 8th
>> > somewhat by beginning to form ego-attachments of various kinds. Then
>> > the 5th planet in our solar system exploded it sent out a shock-wave
>> > etheric and astral levels which effectively knocked out the already
>> > 8th chakras in the ego-attached beings on earth. This was rather
> like a
>> > dynamo that is already spinning off-centre suddenly receiving a
> surge of
>> > power too great for it to handle.
>> > What happened after the Fall is another fascinating story I
>> > though again I am unable to recount it in any detail without writing
>> > But I think it is worth mentioning briefly since it demonstrates a
>> > that still appears to be in operation in the world today much to
>> > grief and displeasure.
>> > I gather that prior to the Fall the earth was populated by beings
>> > who were in christ-like states of consciousness by virtue of all
> their 8
>> > chakras being more or less open and balanced. I say "more or less"
>> > the chakras of some beings were in states of greater openness and
>> > balance than were those of others, but all of them were in states of
>> > better functioning than those of anyone alive on earth today. So it
>> > really only those beings whose chakras were less open and balanced
>> > underwent the Fall and lost their 8th chakras altogether. The beings
>> > chakras were more open and balanced survived the shock-wave from the
>> > planet's explosion unscathed and never underwent the Fall. So after
>> > Fall had occurred there were two kinds of beings left on earth,
>> > who still had all 8 chakras functioning properly (let us call them
>> > "Innocents") and those who only had 7 that were not functioning at
>> > (let us call them the "Degenerates").
>> > The two groups of beings were radically different in character.
>> > Before the Fall the Innocents had all been selfless and
>> > who would not harm a fly and they remained so afterwards. However,
>> > the Degenerates had been Innocents before the Fall, their nascent
>> > egotistical tendencies were intensified by the Fall which turned
> them into
>> > ruthless psychopaths. Whereas the Innocents were natural
> co-operators and
>> > mutual assisters who automatically sacrificed themselves for the
>> > others, the Degenerates were the inverse of this by and large, being
>> > manically engaged in competitive strife in the interests of
>> > themselves at the expense of others. Furthermore the newly fallen
>> > Degenerates had a memory of life before the Fall and most of them
>> > enraged at their loss and resentful that the Innocents had not
> suffered it
>> > too. So the natural consequence of the Fall was that the rapacious,
>> > predatory and furious Degenerates attacked and exterminated the
>> > Innocents in short order.
>> > The earth was then populated more or less exclusively by the
>> > egotistical Degenerates who only had themselves and one another to
>> > and conflict with. Naturally they turned the earth into a hell-world
>> > time until civilizing regimes could be established that imposed
>> > limits on their capacity for destruction and provided secure
>> > for them to evolve back towards the christ-like state of wholeness
>> > which they had fallen. Most of us are still on that journey of
>> > Regan
>> > I don't know why Dean thought it meant removing a Chakra center.
>> > Removing the special feature would be more like severing the
>> > Dex
>> > >
>> > > That's an intriguing snippet of conversation, Dex, that raises a
>> > > number of questions in my mind. The most preoccupying one for me
>> > is
>> > > that of why anyone would want to have their ajna chakra removed or
>> > they
>> > > would want to remove anyone else's. I mean, as the centre of the
>> > > mind and the faculty of intuition, it seems a pretty vital part of
>> > > psychospiritual anatomy to me. I certainly wouldn't want to lose
> mine, I
>> > > can tell you!
>> > >
>> > > As I'm sure most readers will be aware, the seven chakras are
>> > > believed to resonate individually with the seven colours of the
>> > > spectrum. (Indeed, it is said that Sir Isaac Newton named the
>> > colours
>> > > of the spectrum in accordance with their resonant chakras. He
>> > > the colour indigo in the spectrum precisely because that is the
>> > > colour of the ajna chakra, although modern physicists are
>> > ignorant
>> > > of the chakras and cannot normally see the colour indigo in the
>> > at
>> > > all, which has led them to dispense with it as one of the spectral
>> > > whereby they only identify six nowadays.) But the resonant
>> > > the seven main chakras fall short of spanning a complete octave,
> just as
>> > the
>> > > spectrum of visible light does too. Thus there are inevitably some
>> > > frequencies of the Living Light that the seven main chakras cannot
>> > channel -
>> > > not ever. In order to channel those "missing" frequencies an
>> > chakra
>> > > is needed. Only if we have that chakra present and operational do
>> > > the full set that is capable of channelling all frequencies of the
>> > > Light and so I think it is only then that we can be said to have
>> > > "whole light beings".
>> > >
>> > > Fortunately for us, it is said that we all do possess a vestigial
>> > > 8th chakra which can be reactivated by the application of the
>> > > disciplines. Michaelangelo's famous statue of Moses provides a
>> > > illustration of this idea since it depicts him as having a "horn"
>> > protruding
>> > > from the top and centre of his brow at the place where the 8th
>> > would
>> > > be. The horn represents one of the cones of etheric, or astral
>> > which
>> > > some people can see emanating from active chakras. (These can also
>> > > photographed with modern aura-photography.) The presence of the
>> > there
>> > > could be taken as suggesting that the 8th chakra was active and
>> > > operational in Moses.
>> > >
>> > > The functions of the 8th chakra can be hard to understand because
>> > > they relate to the operation of consciousness beyond the realm of
>> > > imagination - the primary function of the crown chakra (resonating
>> > > violet). The entire reality that we presently inhabit and which we
>> > > call the "real world" is actually a product of our imaginations
> and the
>> > > faculty of imagination works by creating representational images
>> > things.
>> > > So when we look at an object, such as a computer say, and think we
>> > > seeing the object we are not actually seeing the object itself but
>> > > seeing instead only a representational image of it in our minds.
> And if
>> > we
>> > > ask "What is the object made of?", we may answer that question in
>> > > more representational images of atoms and molecules and so on. We
>> > > surrounded by such images constantly in this universe and we can
>> > > away from them or beyond them because this universe is made
> entirely of
>> > them
>> > > from top to bottom.
>> > >
>> > > But the function of the 8th chakra is said to be to enable us to
>> > > perceive the actual underlying reality of the beings of things -
>> > "stuff"
>> > > that they are made of, as it were. And it is said that the
>> > > reality of things - the essential substance of their being - is
>> > > mindstuff or consciousness, the "living light". So the function of
>> > 8th
>> > > chakra is sometimes described as being the faculty of "perceiving
>> > light".
>> > > But for every faculty of perception (or "impression") there is a
>> > > corresponding faculty of action (or "expression"), so the
>> > > function of the 8th chakra is the faculty of "expressing in
>> > > two faculties together provide the facility for communication in
>> > >
>> > > All this that I have recounted is well-established esoteric lore
>> > > which can be verified by anyone who cares to undertake the
>> > > research. I have recounted it not only, hopefully, to cast a
> little more
>> > > light on this intriguing subject but also to show that JJ Hurtak's
>> > > statements regarding the Living Light and the evolutionary
>> > of
>> > > humanity into "whole light beings" corresponds closely with the
>> > > knowledge contained in the traditional wisdom teachings of
>> > >
>> > > Regan
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Dex
>> > > To: UFOprepare4contact
>> > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:03 PM
>> > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] For Dean
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > That's wonderful Dex,
>> > > Please explain how you were "shown Mankind had this ability active
>> > > one point in his history with the Sons of Light in other
>> > > until the error misuse and abuse caused it to be taken from him."
>> > > And also explain how the ajna chakra can be "taken" or removed
> from the
>> > > aura.
>> > >
>> > > Dean
>> > > _____________________
>> > >
>> > > (Note: As I've mentioned before, I'm been made witnessed, an
>> > > these multi-serving Beings tasking (fulfilling) the information
>> > in
>> > > Jim Hurtaks 64 Keys text. They're working directly with the Throne
>> > worlds. I
>> > > just happen to be one of those people selected to experience his
>> > > information. My heart and mind was in the right place at the right
>> > > time...What that means is, I can attest to the authenticity of his
>> > detailing
>> > > information...of which can only come by through his having these
>> > proclaimed
>> > > experiences...Dex)
>> > >
>> > > This is now..
>> > >
>> > > (At the time the religious of the world who confuse the covenant
>> > > religion with God's Holy Covenant, will mislead millions so they
>> > > participate in the covenant of the Living God with their spirit.
>> > >
>> > > The collective anti-Christ will sit in the temples of the world
> and will
>> > > govern the covenants of man, and remove the constant feature which
>> > > word of God
>> > > "proclaimed" as the "Living Word".)
>> > >
>> > > "snip"
>> > >
>> > > Long ago is recorded the "Tower of Babel"...
>> > >
>> > > J.J. writes:
>> > >
>> > > Key number sixteen is speaking greater unity we will share with
>> > > universes when we begin to use "crystal tongues of living fire" to
>> > > even greater knowledge beyond what can be achieved by contemporary
>> > > radiophysics, radioastronomy, and communications.
>> > > These crystal tongues of living fire" are activated crystals which
>> > used
>> > > to carry on communication with star regions of intelligence
>> > within
>> > > or beyond our electromagnetic spectrum.
>> > > Our spectrum, defined as the arrangement of electromagnetic
>> > > according to it's frequency as an 'observed spectrum,' indicates
> the way
>> > > material absorbs or emits electromagnetic radiation at different
>> > > frequencies. Our spectrum is limited compared to the greater
> spectrum of
>> > the
>> > > Living Light which coordinates the many electromagnetic spectrums
>> > a
>> > > more complex spectra in the advanced worlds.
>> > > Without the Consciousness to go beyond our electromagnetic
> spectrum we
>> > > remain oblivious to the Living Light.
>> > >
>> > > "snip"
>> > >
>> > > You know where you can find the rest of the information revealing
>> > > processes for the 'Language of Light' activation communications.
>> > > A gift from our Higher Heavens Mankind was severed from because of
>> > fall,
>> > > and as I have stated before, is being returned to us along with
>> > as
>> > > a 'Whole Light Being'.. Our shining immortal consciousness
>> > >
>> > > No matter how many lifetimes, this reunification is intended for
> all to
>> > > experience.
>> > >
>> > > True Liberation from identifying with physical form bondage.
>> > >
>> > > Dex
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------------------
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