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  • Ted
    Mar 5, 2009
      Back from the Congress and back on line.
      After reading your response all I have to say is BRILLIANT
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: <masanga@...>
      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:35 PM
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] FW: [prepare4contact] For Dex & Regan, and
      anyone else


      > Dex,
      >
      > Thanks for forwarding Dean's comments. I do not intend to enter
      > into argument about any points with him but, for the benefit of the
      > members
      > of this forum, I will simply state my own position in response to his
      > criticisms of the points I made in my previous post. However please feel
      > free to forward this reply to him if you wish. My responses follow
      > individual points of his that are reproduced in quotes below.
      >
      > "First of all, from the theosophical perspective, you have to realise that
      > a
      > 'covenant,' as well as the 'fall' of man is Christian/Catholic
      > theological,
      > bogus dogma."
      >
      > I disagree. To my knowledge humanity's covenant with the Divinity
      > and the Fall of man predate christianity and are enshrined in other world
      > religions besides christianity. One does not need to look far to find
      > examples. The Covenant and the Fall are both referred to in the Biblical
      > Old Testament, which predates christianity and is shared in common with
      > Judaism (also with the Moslem religion, but that came after christianity.)
      >
      > "Secondly, it is metaphysically impossible for any chakra to be 'knocked
      > out' of the aura, because of a blown up planet (unless it was
      > nuclear),..."
      >
      > I did not say that the 8th chakra was "knocked out of the aura",
      > although I suppose that would be implied if it was "knocked out of
      > commision" as I did say. Obviously I disagree with Dean that it would
      > have
      > been impossible for the explosion of a planet to do this. As I explained
      > in
      > my earlier post, I believe the effect was produced on etheric and astral
      > levels. Planets also have etheric and astral bodies as I understand them
      > and when the 5th planet in our system exploded its etheric and astral
      > bodies
      > discharged their stored energy suddenly in the form of a shock-wave (or
      > rather, two shock-waves, one on each level). This shock-wave would not
      > necessarily have dissipated according to the inverse square law that
      > radiation follows in normal "physical" space because it was not being
      > propagated through normal "physical" space. Any astral and etheric
      > systems
      > on earth that were receptive to it, such as human chakras that happened to
      > be in resonance with its energy, could have received powerful jolts that
      > exceeded their normal operating ranges. This would have been destructive
      > to
      > the receiving system if it was unable to discharge the in-coming energy of
      > the shock-wave simultaneously, in the same way that an electromagnetic
      > pulse
      > (EMP) from a solar flare or a nuclear bomb will "knock out" electronic
      > equipment (by frying its circuitry).
      >
      > ".....or due to any kind of punishment from an anthropomorphic
      > Jehovah,....."
      >
      > I don't know what "an anthropomorphic Jehovah" has got to do with
      > it. At least, I was not suggesting that any such deity had any hand in
      > causing the Fall of Man. As I explained in my previous post, in my view
      > the
      > Fall happened because some of the terrestrials of the day had begun to
      > develop ego-attachments of various kinds. To me the Fall was not a
      > punishment for wrongdoing. It was just the natural consequence of their
      > own
      > psychological actions.
      >
      > "and there are billions of souls who have not evolved to the point where
      > the
      > ajna chakra (clairvoyance) is present in the aura."
      >
      > I can only say to this that in all the years that I have spent
      > studying and examining people's chakras I have never met anyone whose ajna
      > chakra was absent from their chakra system. However, I have met plenty
      > whose ajna chakra's characteristic indigo colour was undetectable in their
      > personal auras. But the aura is the radiation of the chakra system and is
      > not the chakra system itself. The chakras are like suns radiating their
      > individual rainbow colours into the auric field and the well-known laws of
      > colour-mixing apply. In other words if, say, someone's ajna (indigo) and
      > manipura (yellow) chakras are radiating most strongly, these two
      > individual
      > colour radiations will blend to produce a turqoise aura and the indigo
      > radiation of the ajna chakra may not be visible. But it could be the
      > dominant chakra! I have found that it is practically impossible to judge
      > a
      > person's grade of evolutionary advancement from their aura.
      >
      > "P.S. Regan, for you the earth may be a 'nightmare existence into which we
      > had been plunged,'......."
      >
      > No, it is not that for me at all any more! I was speaking of the
      > unfortunates who had just undergone the Fall and I used the word "we"
      > because I was one of them. To find yourself suddenly trapped in an
      > illusory dreamworld that you cannot predict and cannot control and in
      > which
      > you have no light to guide you but which is filled with dangers, hazards,
      > contradictions and pain at every turn is surely a "nightmare existence" by
      > anyone's standards.
      >
      > "....but among other things it ignores the fact that after God created the
      > earth and every living thing, He saw that 'everything was very good,'.....
      >
      > No it doesn't. As I understand it people did not stop being good
      > by
      > virtue of undergoing the Fall. They just became incapable of seeing the
      > goodness of themselves and the rest of the universe.
      >
      > "....which also illustrates how bogus the Gnostic theology is regarding an
      > evil, fallen Lucifer creating the dense physical world....."
      >
      > I am not a representative of Gnostic theology and will leave it to
      > Dean to dispute its authenticity with committed Gnostics as and when he
      > wishes. My view about Lucifer is that he may be an individual angelic
      > being
      > but it doesn't matter much whether he is or not. The significant matter,
      > in
      > my view, is that there is a natural force in the human mind which projects
      > and maintains this illusory reality of the physical world and whether we
      > call it Lucifer or any other name it is a tremendous spiritual problem to
      > us - a problem to our consciousness, I mean. I believe this force played
      > a
      > key-role in the Fall because it rose to dominance in the human mind
      > through
      > the Fall and subjected the minds of the Fallen to the materialistic
      > illusion
      > of physical reality.
      >
      > "......As I pointed out in an earlier message regarding Blavatsky (52889),
      > Satan doesn't exist, but all the horrible deeds initiated by
      > miss-guided/miss-educated human beings are metaphorically satanic."
      >
      > I cannot say whether there is an individual Satan any more than I
      > can say whether there is an individual Lucifer. However, my view of Satan
      > is very much like my view of Lucifer, in that I can recognise there is a
      > satanic force of nature which can become dominant in the minds of
      > individuals and which can present those affected by it with serious
      > spiritual problems. By this token a lot of beings in the universe could
      > aptly wear the name of Satan and not just human ones either.
      >
      > But let me finish on a positive note. To my way of thinking both
      > Lucifer and Satan are natural forces that reside inside us and they have
      > positive, valuable roles to play in the creation, maintenance and
      > evolution
      > of our lives, our worlds and ourselves. Lucifer, as his name suggests, is
      > the bringer of light and although he may bring us the false light of
      > illusion, we need to inhabit this illusion for the primary spiritual
      > purpose
      > of proving to ourselves that we are gods. Satan, whose name is derived
      > from
      > the same root as Saturn, is the natural force of limitation and denial and
      > without his activity there could be no finite structures in the universe.
      > So, no Satan no creation and the world would still be void and darkness
      > would still be upon the face of the deep. I think we need to honour all
      > of
      > the gods as aspects of ourselves, including these two, if we want to be
      > whole beings.
      >
      > Cheers all,
      > Regan
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Dex
      > To: UFOdiscussion
      > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:18 PM
      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] FW: [prepare4contact] For Dex & Regan, and anyone
      > else
      >
      >
      > Dean's reply:
      >
      > First of all, from the theosophical perspective, you have to realise
      > that a "covenant," as well as the "fall" of man is
      > Christian/Catholic theological, bogus dogma.
      >
      > Secondly, it is metaphysically impossible for any chakra to be
      > "knocked out" of the aura, because of a blown up planet (unless
      > it was nuclear), or due to any kind of punishment from an
      > anthropomorphic Jehovah, and there are billions of souls who have not
      > evolved to the point where the ajna chakra (clairvoyance) is present in
      > the aura.
      > Dex said that at "one point in his history with the Sons of Light in
      > other dimensions until the error misuse and abuse caused it [clairvoyant
      > faculty] to be taken from him." So, naturally I asked how it was
      > possible to remove the ajna chakra from the aura, which is what would
      > have to happen in order for the faculty to by "taken." I was
      > just pointing out how metaphysically impossible this idea is, therefore,
      > the originator of this idea is promoting a metaphysical falsehood, and
      > that also includes the "fall."
      >
      > Every human soul/spirit is etherically and equally connected with the
      > logos that created us, and no one has to make any special proclamation
      > to God. All souls naturally incarnate ("voluntarily plunge" into
      > the fetus) out of karmic necessity in order to evolve and make the world
      > complete as the Logos intended it to be. An anthropomorphic Jehovah
      > didn't punish Adam & Eve for an original sin and cause every soul
      > that was created after that to be born into sin, which theology is also
      > based on the bogus one life to live dogma and a world saviour.
      > All anyone need do is live a good life, love & respect your fellow
      > man/women, as well as all of nature & mother earth. Anyone can speed up
      > the evolution of their soul through meditation, yoga, and exercise if
      > that is part of their soul's purpose for this particular
      > incarnation, and most every spiritual thinker realises that there are
      > several billion incarnated souls right now in the world who haven't
      > got the slightest inclination, or the time left, to do that, but since
      > our souls are "immortal and "imperishable" every soul
      > eventually achieves relative perfection in their own time, which may be
      > millions of years in the future on another planet, far, far away, and
      > they won't need the Keys of Enoch or the Bible to do it.
      >
      > Best regards,
      >
      > Dean Sloan-Theosophical Metaphysicist
      >
      > http://www.qdeansloan.com
      >
      > P.S. Regan, for you the earth may be a "nightmare existence into
      > which we had been plunged," but among other things it ignores the
      > fact that after God created the earth and every living thing, He saw
      > that "everything was very good," which also illustrates how
      > bogus the Gnostic theology is regarding an evil, fallen Lucifer creating
      > the dense physical world. As I pointed out in an earlier message
      > regarding Blavatsky (52889), Satan doesn't exist, but all the
      > horrible deeds initiated by miss-guided/miss-educated human beings are
      > metaphorically satanic.
      >
      > --- In prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com, "Dex" <dexxxaa@...> wrote:
      >>
      >> Cross posting:
      >> Regan writes:
      >>
      >> > Dex,
      >> >
      >> > After re-reading your original post in this thread I think I've
      >> > cottoned on to what Dean was talking about. I think he was thinking
      > that
      >> > the Fall knocked out one of our chakras (which I think it did too)
      > only he
      >> > got the wrong one, i.e. he was thinking that it knocked out the 6th,
      >> "Ajna"
      >> > (indigo) chakra when it actually knocked out the 8th (ultraviolet)
      > one.
      >> As
      >> > is well known, the 6th chakra is actively present with greater or
      > lesser
      >> > degrees of functionality in human beings to this day.
      >> >
      >> > However, I think the Fall did more than just knock out one chakra
      >> in
      >> > those of us who underwent it. It also destabilised all the other
      > chakras
      >> > too and reduced their levels of functioning dramatically. The
      > overall
      >> > effect was to turn us into confused and bewildered psychotics whose
      >> > connection with cosmic reality had been severed and who now had to
      > find
      >> our
      >> > way out of the nightmare existence into which we had been plunged.
      >> >
      >> > Dean seems to have been wondering how the crucial chakra could
      >> have
      >> > been knocked out of commission by the Fall. It's a fair question but
      > a
      >> > highly technical one which I won't attempt to answer in any detail
      > here
      >> and
      >> > now. My understanding, gleaned from various sources, is that just
      > prior
      >> to
      >> > the Fall some people on earth had already destabilised their 8th
      > chakras
      >> > somewhat by beginning to form ego-attachments of various kinds. Then
      > when
      >> > the 5th planet in our solar system exploded it sent out a shock-wave
      > on
      >> > etheric and astral levels which effectively knocked out the already
      >> unstable
      >> > 8th chakras in the ego-attached beings on earth. This was rather
      > like a
      >> > dynamo that is already spinning off-centre suddenly receiving a
      > surge of
      >> > power too great for it to handle.
      >> >
      >> > What happened after the Fall is another fascinating story I
      >> gather,
      >> > though again I am unable to recount it in any detail without writing
      > a
      >> book.
      >> > But I think it is worth mentioning briefly since it demonstrates a
      >> principle
      >> > that still appears to be in operation in the world today much to
      >> everyone's
      >> > grief and displeasure.
      >> >
      >> > I gather that prior to the Fall the earth was populated by beings
      >> > who were in christ-like states of consciousness by virtue of all
      > their 8
      >> > chakras being more or less open and balanced. I say "more or less"
      >> because
      >> > the chakras of some beings were in states of greater openness and
      > finer
      >> > balance than were those of others, but all of them were in states of
      > far
      >> > better functioning than those of anyone alive on earth today. So it
      > was
      >> > really only those beings whose chakras were less open and balanced
      > who
      >> > underwent the Fall and lost their 8th chakras altogether. The beings
      >> whose
      >> > chakras were more open and balanced survived the shock-wave from the
      > 5th
      >> > planet's explosion unscathed and never underwent the Fall. So after
      > the
      >> > Fall had occurred there were two kinds of beings left on earth,
      > namely
      >> those
      >> > who still had all 8 chakras functioning properly (let us call them
      > the
      >> > "Innocents") and those who only had 7 that were not functioning at
      > all
      >> well
      >> > (let us call them the "Degenerates").
      >> >
      >> > The two groups of beings were radically different in character.
      >> > Before the Fall the Innocents had all been selfless and
      > compassionate
      >> beings
      >> > who would not harm a fly and they remained so afterwards. However,
      >> although
      >> > the Degenerates had been Innocents before the Fall, their nascent
      >> > egotistical tendencies were intensified by the Fall which turned
      > them into
      >> > ruthless psychopaths. Whereas the Innocents were natural
      > co-operators and
      >> > mutual assisters who automatically sacrificed themselves for the
      > benefit
      >> of
      >> > others, the Degenerates were the inverse of this by and large, being
      >> > manically engaged in competitive strife in the interests of
      > benefitting
      >> > themselves at the expense of others. Furthermore the newly fallen
      >> > Degenerates had a memory of life before the Fall and most of them
      > were
      >> > enraged at their loss and resentful that the Innocents had not
      > suffered it
      >> > too. So the natural consequence of the Fall was that the rapacious,
      >> > predatory and furious Degenerates attacked and exterminated the
      > docile
      >> > Innocents in short order.
      >> >
      >> > The earth was then populated more or less exclusively by the
      >> > egotistical Degenerates who only had themselves and one another to
      > compete
      >> > and conflict with. Naturally they turned the earth into a hell-world
      > for
      >> a
      >> > time until civilizing regimes could be established that imposed
      >> constructive
      >> > limits on their capacity for destruction and provided secure
      > opportunities
      >> > for them to evolve back towards the christ-like state of wholeness
      > from
      >> > which they had fallen. Most of us are still on that journey of
      > course.
      >> >
      >> > Regan
      >> >
      >>
      >> >
      >> > I don't know why Dean thought it meant removing a Chakra center.
      >> > Removing the special feature would be more like severing the
      > connections.
      >> >
      >> > Dex
      >> > >
      >> > > That's an intriguing snippet of conversation, Dex, that raises a
      >> > > number of questions in my mind. The most preoccupying one for me
      > though,
      >> > is
      >> > > that of why anyone would want to have their ajna chakra removed or
      > why
      >> > they
      >> > > would want to remove anyone else's. I mean, as the centre of the
      > higher
      >> > > mind and the faculty of intuition, it seems a pretty vital part of
      > our
      >> > > psychospiritual anatomy to me. I certainly wouldn't want to lose
      > mine, I
      >> > > can tell you!
      >> > >
      >> > > As I'm sure most readers will be aware, the seven chakras are
      >> > > believed to resonate individually with the seven colours of the
      > visible
      >> > > spectrum. (Indeed, it is said that Sir Isaac Newton named the
      > seven
      >> > colours
      >> > > of the spectrum in accordance with their resonant chakras. He
      > identified
      >> > > the colour indigo in the spectrum precisely because that is the
      > resonant
      >> > > colour of the ajna chakra, although modern physicists are
      > generally
      >> > ignorant
      >> > > of the chakras and cannot normally see the colour indigo in the
      > spectrum
      >> > at
      >> > > all, which has led them to dispense with it as one of the spectral
      >> colours
      >> > > whereby they only identify six nowadays.) But the resonant
      > frequencies
      >> of
      >> > > the seven main chakras fall short of spanning a complete octave,
      > just as
      >> > the
      >> > > spectrum of visible light does too. Thus there are inevitably some
      >> > > frequencies of the Living Light that the seven main chakras cannot
      >> > channel -
      >> > > not ever. In order to channel those "missing" frequencies an
      > eighth
      >> > chakra
      >> > > is needed. Only if we have that chakra present and operational do
      > we
      >> have
      >> > > the full set that is capable of channelling all frequencies of the
      >> Living
      >> > > Light and so I think it is only then that we can be said to have
      > become
      >> > > "whole light beings".
      >> > >
      >> > > Fortunately for us, it is said that we all do possess a vestigial
      >> > > 8th chakra which can be reactivated by the application of the
      >> appropriate
      >> > > disciplines. Michaelangelo's famous statue of Moses provides a
      > graphic
      >> > > illustration of this idea since it depicts him as having a "horn"
      >> > protruding
      >> > > from the top and centre of his brow at the place where the 8th
      > chakra
      >> > would
      >> > > be. The horn represents one of the cones of etheric, or astral
      > light
      >> > which
      >> > > some people can see emanating from active chakras. (These can also
      > be
      >> > > photographed with modern aura-photography.) The presence of the
      > horn
      >> > there
      >> > > could be taken as suggesting that the 8th chakra was active and
      > fully
      >> > > operational in Moses.
      >> > >
      >> > > The functions of the 8th chakra can be hard to understand because
      >> > > they relate to the operation of consciousness beyond the realm of
      >> > > imagination - the primary function of the crown chakra (resonating
      > with
      >> > > violet). The entire reality that we presently inhabit and which we
      > even
      >> > > call the "real world" is actually a product of our imaginations
      > and the
      >> > > faculty of imagination works by creating representational images
      > of
      >> > things.
      >> > > So when we look at an object, such as a computer say, and think we
      > are
      >> > > seeing the object we are not actually seeing the object itself but
      > are
      >> > > seeing instead only a representational image of it in our minds.
      > And if
      >> > we
      >> > > ask "What is the object made of?", we may answer that question in
      > terms
      >> of
      >> > > more representational images of atoms and molecules and so on. We
      > are
      >> > > surrounded by such images constantly in this universe and we can
      > never
      >> get
      >> > > away from them or beyond them because this universe is made
      > entirely of
      >> > them
      >> > > from top to bottom.
      >> > >
      >> > > But the function of the 8th chakra is said to be to enable us to
      >> > > perceive the actual underlying reality of the beings of things -
      > the
      >> > "stuff"
      >> > > that they are made of, as it were. And it is said that the
      > underlying
      >> > > reality of things - the essential substance of their being - is
      > pure
      >> > > mindstuff or consciousness, the "living light". So the function of
      > the
      >> > 8th
      >> > > chakra is sometimes described as being the faculty of "perceiving
      > in
      >> > light".
      >> > > But for every faculty of perception (or "impression") there is a
      >> > > corresponding faculty of action (or "expression"), so the
      > expressional
      >> > > function of the 8th chakra is the faculty of "expressing in
      > light".
      >> These
      >> > > two faculties together provide the facility for communication in
      > light.
      >> > >
      >> > > All this that I have recounted is well-established esoteric lore
      >> > > which can be verified by anyone who cares to undertake the
      > necessary
      >> > > research. I have recounted it not only, hopefully, to cast a
      > little more
      >> > > light on this intriguing subject but also to show that JJ Hurtak's
      >> > > statements regarding the Living Light and the evolutionary
      >> transformation
      >> > of
      >> > > humanity into "whole light beings" corresponds closely with the
      > esoteric
      >> > > knowledge contained in the traditional wisdom teachings of
      > humanity.
      >> > >
      >> > > Regan
      >> > >
      >> > >
      >> > > ----- Original Message -----
      >> > > From: Dex
      >> > > To: UFOprepare4contact
      >> > > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:03 PM
      >> > > Subject: [ufodiscussion] For Dean
      >> > >
      >> > >
      >> > > That's wonderful Dex,
      >> > > Please explain how you were "shown Mankind had this ability active
      > at
      >> > > one point in his history with the Sons of Light in other
      > dimensions
      >> > > until the error misuse and abuse caused it to be taken from him."
      >> > > And also explain how the ajna chakra can be "taken" or removed
      > from the
      >> > > aura.
      >> > >
      >> > > Dean
      >> > > _____________________
      >> > >
      >> > > (Note: As I've mentioned before, I'm been made witnessed, an
      > initiate,
      >> of
      >> > > these multi-serving Beings tasking (fulfilling) the information
      > recorded
      >> > in
      >> > > Jim Hurtaks 64 Keys text. They're working directly with the Throne
      >> > worlds. I
      >> > > just happen to be one of those people selected to experience his
      >> > > information. My heart and mind was in the right place at the right
      >> > > time...What that means is, I can attest to the authenticity of his
      >> > detailing
      >> > > information...of which can only come by through his having these
      >> > proclaimed
      >> > > experiences...Dex)
      >> > >
      >> > > This is now..
      >> > >
      >> > > (At the time the religious of the world who confuse the covenant
      > of
      >> their
      >> > > religion with God's Holy Covenant, will mislead millions so they
      > cannot
      >> > > participate in the covenant of the Living God with their spirit.
      >> > >
      >> > > The collective anti-Christ will sit in the temples of the world
      > and will
      >> > > govern the covenants of man, and remove the constant feature which
      > is
      >> the
      >> > > word of God
      >> > > "proclaimed" as the "Living Word".)
      >> > >
      >> > > "snip"
      >> > >
      >> > > Long ago is recorded the "Tower of Babel"...
      >> > >
      >> > > J.J. writes:
      >> > >
      >> > > Key number sixteen is speaking greater unity we will share with
      > many
      >> > > universes when we begin to use "crystal tongues of living fire" to
      >> achieve
      >> > > even greater knowledge beyond what can be achieved by contemporary
      >> > > radiophysics, radioastronomy, and communications.
      >> > > These crystal tongues of living fire" are activated crystals which
      > are
      >> > used
      >> > > to carry on communication with star regions of intelligence
      > operating
      >> > within
      >> > > or beyond our electromagnetic spectrum.
      >> > > Our spectrum, defined as the arrangement of electromagnetic
      > radiation
      >> > > according to it's frequency as an 'observed spectrum,' indicates
      > the way
      >> > > material absorbs or emits electromagnetic radiation at different
      >> > > frequencies. Our spectrum is limited compared to the greater
      > spectrum of
      >> > the
      >> > > Living Light which coordinates the many electromagnetic spectrums
      > and
      >> had
      >> > a
      >> > > more complex spectra in the advanced worlds.
      >> > > Without the Consciousness to go beyond our electromagnetic
      > spectrum we
      >> > > remain oblivious to the Living Light.
      >> > >
      >> > > "snip"
      >> > >
      >> > > You know where you can find the rest of the information revealing
      > the
      >> > > processes for the 'Language of Light' activation communications.
      >> > > A gift from our Higher Heavens Mankind was severed from because of
      > his
      >> > fall,
      >> > > and as I have stated before, is being returned to us along with
      > our
      >> image
      >> > as
      >> > > a 'Whole Light Being'.. Our shining immortal consciousness
      > restored.
      >> > >
      >> > > No matter how many lifetimes, this reunification is intended for
      > all to
      >> > > experience.
      >> > >
      >> > > True Liberation from identifying with physical form bondage.
      >> > >
      >> > > Dex
      >> > >
      >> > >
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