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  • Ted
    Sep 26, 2007
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      Great answer , especially to someone that is an arm chair so called
      investigator
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "William Hamilton" <astroxplorer@...>
      To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:40 PM
      Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?


      > Regan,
      >
      > I am sorry, but after interviewing over 20 cases like Dan's,
      > all I can say and I have stated it in my book -- there is NO hard
      > evidence so you can choose to ignore it. That is your perogative.
      > Might as well as ask me for hard evidence of the spirit world or aliens.
      > Its just not there.
      >
      > I provided notorized statements, documents, and testimony which
      > is about all one can do in a UFO case.
      >
      > Look at the Billy Meier case for instance. He provides photos,
      > video, metal samples, testimony from eyewitnesses and not one
      > jot of it is accepted. I am even skeptical.
      >
      > If you think you can provide a shred of hard evidence about a
      > UFO case, then be my guest.
      >
      > Bill
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: <masanga@...>
      > To: <ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:37 PM
      > Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Bill, Dan and Marci and Why?
      >
      >
      >> Bill,
      >>
      >> I am sorry that you feel it necessary to withdraw from ufology in
      >> order to get on with doing something more productive. But it does seem
      >> to
      >> me that making controvertial claims and assertions without also providing
      >> hard evidence to back them up is bound to fuel the unproductive and lurid
      >> kind of internet gossip that so disgusts you. I think Dan needs to come
      >> through with the goods, Bill, if the gossip is to be silenced. Thus far
      >> we
      >> have had only his, Marci's and your words to go on. The public requires
      >> that new truth be demonstrated independently of persons before they will
      >> accept it as fact. That is simply the rule of the game of revelation in
      >> this world at the present time and we are all subject to it, whether we
      >> like
      >> it or not. The only way to avoid it is not to play the game. But you,
      >> Dan
      >> and Marci have elected to play the game, Bill. So the rule applies.
      >>
      >> I appreciate that providing hard evidence to support Dan's radical
      >> revolutionary claims is an extraordinarily difficult challenge, but I
      >> think
      >> it is one that must be met if anything productive is actually to come out
      >> of
      >> his making them. I am not alluding to evidence about his personal
      >> background and credentials here, Bill, as I think most people in ufology
      >> would be willing to accept those on trust while the significant import of
      >> his message to the world and his evidence in support of that are assessed
      >> as
      >> a priority. I am rather alluding to the impersonal content of his
      >> message
      >> that may have significance for the world at large, such as his claimed
      >> scientific discoveries and his possible knowledge and understanding of
      >> actual human-ET relationships. However his "message" to date seems to
      >> consist of a series of partial, isolated, anecdotal glimpses into the
      >> bizarre world that he claims to inhabit while there is no appreciable
      >> evidence about it for us to assess. What can serious ufologists really
      >> be
      >> expected do with such insubstantial data? There is nothing that they can
      >> do
      >> with it and the non-serious ones can only gossip and invent imaginative
      >> fictions about Dan to fill their otherwise empty minds. I think you
      >> should
      >> not be surprised at their doing what is quite natural for them to do
      >> under
      >> the circumstances.
      >>
      >> It is a cruel situation I know, but you three have placed
      >> yourselves
      >> in it by your own willed actions. It is made more difficult too by the
      >> compromised positions from which all three of you are now speaking. Both
      >> Dan and Marci are "part of the program" (whatever that is) and are not
      >> free
      >> to speak the impartial truth in so far as they know it, but only in so
      >> far
      >> as they are allowed to speak it by the anonymous and secret authority to
      >> which they owe their allegiance. And your position as an impartial
      >> investigator and reporter of the truth in this affair has also been
      >> compromised, Bill, first by your forming a personal friendship with Dan
      >> and
      >> then by your receiving a privileged "briefing" from whoever was in
      >> control
      >> of Dan (you never said who that was). You are no longer a disinterested
      >> party, Bill, and everything you say about Dan and his claims is now
      >> suspect
      >> because of it. No-one can tell any more whether you have also become
      >> "part
      >> of the program" and your personal credibility as an unbiased observer and
      >> a
      >> reliable reporter of the unvarnished facts has been diminished
      >> accordingly.
      >> Basically all that the public can see is some people who claim to be
      >> striving to explode the Great UFO Cover-Up whilst working, to a greater
      >> or
      >> lesser degree, for the people who ostensibly are maintaining it! Your
      >> personal characters and integrity may be impeccable and beyond reproach,
      >> but
      >> your objective positions are ambivalent, unclear and somewhat
      >> contradictory.
      >> Naturally the ultimate effect of this is just to create doubts about you
      >> and
      >> general confusion in people's minds.
      >>
      >> They are doubts and confusion which can be swept away in an
      >> instant
      >> however, when Dan actually supplies the solid, objective evidence that is
      >> needed to back up his claims. And if he cannot supply it in fact, I
      >> think
      >> he should admit it and allow everybody to stop suspending their judgement
      >> in
      >> the vain hope that he is going to supply it at some indefinite time in
      >> the
      >> future. I think he would gain respect for his honesty by doing that.
      >> But
      >> the rest of us cannot be expected to wait indefinitely for you, Dan and
      >> Marci to get your act together, Bill. We also have more productive
      >> things
      >> to do.
      >>
      >> Sincerely,
      >> Regan
      >>
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: William Hamilton
      >> To: ufodiscussion@yahoogroups.com
      >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:16 PM
      >> Subject: Re: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
      >>
      >>
      >> Dex,
      >>
      >> A lot of clap-trap, errant opinions, and just plain garbage gets posted
      >> on
      >> these forums
      >> about Dan B. I have to fend off some very offensive material myself. The
      >> Golden
      >> Thread is old and not up to date. Very few of these yahoos have seen or
      >> understood
      >> Dan's work. I am so disgusted with the responses I have decided to fade
      >> out
      >> of
      >> ufology for a while and do something more productive.
      >>
      >> Sincerely,
      >>
      >> Bill Hamilton
      >> AstroScience Research
      >> http://www.astrosciences.info
      >> "I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
      >> incredible."
      >> Fred Hoyle
      >>
      >> ----- Original Message -----
      >> From: "Dex" <dexxxaa@...>
      >> To: "UFO-Prepare4contact" <prepare4contact@yahoogroups.com>
      >> Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 8:32 AM
      >> Subject: [ufodiscussion] Who Monitors Our Internet and Why?
      >>
      >> See if you can follow this discussion from the Golden Thread forum..
      >> A=Ann
      >> D=Dan B.
      >> M=Marci
      >> J or J1=McConnell, heads our National Intelligence Agency.
      >> --------------
      >> Dxx=Dondep
      >>
      >> Dex
      >> ******************************************************************
      >> Cross posting:
      >>
      >> Dondep wrote:
      >>
      >> And, to quote Dex; Wowie Zowie!
      >>
      >> I wouldn't put it past the thugs to have set up that post at GLP as a
      >> feint,
      >> a 'trial balloon' to draw fire and ignite ire.
      >>
      >> I thought there were some very good posts that give a better snapshot of
      >> how
      >> the 'saga' or 'farce' is faring as a whole, to the outside world. The
      >> Knappster had one of the most open missives he's ever written in response
      >> to
      >> some sort of saga-related stimuli.
      >>
      >> I see Marci's own "not wellness" is showing in how she's so quick to
      >> instigate or otherwise "explain" those that don't toe her party line. I
      >> think you're right, mjc; she's had a "humour-bypass" following the May
      >> 18th
      >> induction last year.
      >>
      >> Which reminds me; Shady, Dan was the one that confirmed what emails from
      >> Commaj and K had already told me, unbeknownst to Dan (unless he was the
      >> author of those emails himself, in which case he comes across as worse;
      >> oh
      >> lawdy! what contradictions!), about his pending acceptance in the
      >> 'religious
      >> institution' (the Priory of Sion - which he insists he never joined,
      >> which
      >> is what he swore to do). His and Marci's own comments to me, references
      >> made
      >> over the course of a couple of weeks, gave me the ability to triangulate
      >> what was happening. Dan originally claimed not to want to have anything
      >> to
      >> do with relying on their offer of a replacement doctorate, but said he
      >> would
      >> do it if SUNY wouldn't be allowed to admit to it. Now that damn doctorate
      >> is
      >> going to be so discredited by the time the viewers of the NDA validate it
      >> in
      >> the courts that it'll be shown for what it is: a REPLACEMENT for
      >> something
      >> REAL.
      >>
      >> At least there are a whole lot of witnesses to the character
      >> assassination
      >> and name-calling initiated by the SNEDs thugs, copies of which are being
      >> carefully kept to show the hypocrisy.
      >>
      >> I'm posting here what I said at GLP, the "mother of all fringe forums":
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> Re: Dan Burisch & Bill Hamilton Cyberstalk UFO Researcher Quote
      >> Vance at GLP wrote:
      >>
      >> My biggest problem with Dan Burisch is how he could part of something US
      >> black ops and be free to talk about at all, no less for years and going
      >> around trying to make deals with Hollywood producers. I think, if there
      >> was
      >> a program like he says and he was part of it then he wouldn't be opening
      >> his
      >> mouth to anyone about anything. He'd be stopped before he started.
      >>
      >> I start from this point and judge everything else Burisch claims by this
      >> simple fact. I think he's free to open his mouth because he never did any
      >> of
      >> the things he claims. I also think his false claims become helpful to
      >> conceal any real black ops ET agendas that may be in progress if they
      >> exist,
      >> but that Burisch has nothing to do with. Burisch's claims would be used
      >> as
      >> a
      >> freebe disinfo tool.
      >>
      >> What's Burisch's excuse for getting around this disclosure problem? Have
      >> you
      >> ever checked out the disclosure problem I've pointed to? That's what I'd
      >> like to hear. Make me a believer on this one sticky problem and I'll
      >> consider other claims he makes.
      >>
      >> Quoting: Vance 302106
      >>
      >> Vance, you ask "how could he be part of something US black ops and be
      >> free
      >> to talk about at all...."
      >> ---------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------
      >>
      >> That part is answered in the orders that were issued by the last
      >> 'official'
      >> lineup of MJ-12 on Oct. 12, 2005, (of which I recently received a copy,
      >> complete with Dan's signature, which we can take to court once we have
      >> enough folks that have grown enough spine and stamina):
      >>
      >> "...you are hereby instructed, ordered and enjoined to the best of your
      >> abilities and talents to present the truth of the extraterrestrial
      >> reality,
      >> as you have personally known it, on dates yet to be established, to the
      >> population of the world. ....."
      >>
      >> It was also answered six months prior to those orders, in the Request To
      >> Admit that Burisch signed an admission to, followed by the Affidavit of
      >> April 13th, 2005:
      >>
      >> "...7. You [Dan Burisch] have also been a party during the negotiations
      >> of
      >> a
      >> treaty known as the "Tau-9 Conference for the Preservation of Humanity",
      >> between present human authorities and certain individuals representing
      >> themselves as extraterrestrial peoples, with their origin alleged to you
      >> as
      >> the star constellations "Reticulum" and "Orion." You have had physical
      >> interaction with at least one such extraterrestrial.
      >> 8. The normally required secrecy for these issues, as a consequence of
      >> the
      >> gravity contained within the aforementioned statement ("7."), stipulated
      >> that individuals entrusted with such relevant information - including
      >> yourself - must swear a secrecy oath upon pain of death. You are not
      >> currently under such an oath, the previous one having been discharged by
      >> the
      >> issuing authority."
      >> ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------
      >>
      >> The entire text of the Request To Admit and the Affidavit are at [link to
      >> www.danburisch.info] Click on "The Legal Case".
      >>
      >> When I hammered out that document with Marci (and the Majestic 12 lawyer,
      >> Mr. Mundsen), I did so knowing that 'they' (the Maji) were using me to
      >> help
      >> promote their semi-false 'Disclosure', which I agreed to do so long as
      >> they
      >> would allow this method to help warn humanity of the coming poleshift.
      >>
      >> Todd wrote:
      >> He wasnt lied to by J1 Dondep. They have no connection personally and
      >> McConnell wouldnt even know burisch. The amount of crap they have
      >> generated
      >> with fake documents, sockp[uppet yahoo id's and emails etc is simply
      >> amazing. What is equally amazing is the perpetuation of such unproven
      >> diatribe. You make it sound like theres fact in there. Where? Please
      >> prove
      >> any one of your sources outside of the internet. They are still writing
      >> books and you are going to join the fray? Think carefully.
      >>
      >> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 302038
      >>
      >> AC, you weren't there in Dan's apartment office (he uses, or used to use,
      >> the third bedroom in the apartment as his 'office'.) I was. A picture of
      >> McConnell was still on display of John (er, 'Mike' McConnell; Dan knows
      >> him
      >> as 'John' or 'Daddy-O', whereas I refer to him as 'Dadmiral' because of
      >> all
      >> the anecdotal stories I've heard about him, in context, from not only Dan
      >> but others....not to mention the emails from Dan and Marci to me that he
      >> "stepped on" between their outbox and my inbox.) I know his personality a
      >> lot more than many of my colleagues at work, with whom I work day-in and
      >> day-out. I can tell you he really really enjoys McDonald's filet-o-fish
      >> sandwiches, and when Dan gets teed off at him he usually eats one while
      >> on
      >> a
      >> teleconference with him. He also likes a certain brandy and fine cigars,
      >> which was what he bet Dick Cheney over whether Dan was going to sit in as
      >> temporary J-9 or whether a permanent replacement would be found before
      >> that
      >> happened.
      >>
      >> But hey! Don't take my word for it! Ask the DNI himself, and get him on
      >> record denying Dan three times! Go for it! He and Dan joke about how
      >> he'll
      >> deny Dan in the morning on the Hill, then do lunch with him the same day!
      >>
      >> As for books; the reason I haven't joined that fray is because it's an
      >> admission of defeat, in a way.... a way of saying "the story's over" when
      >> in
      >> fact it has yet to climax. It will ONLY be resolved when we can get Dan
      >> in
      >> front of Congress, TRANSPARENTLY (NOT limiting him to what he's already
      >> had
      >> to say to them in private) and then get ALL THE REST of the black-ops
      >> community that want to testify, following a provision of immunity for
      >> them.
      >>
      >> JAnunknown, at GLP, wrote:
      >> Hoi all,
      >> Mr. Blair is still alive. Good to see. DD nuanced respons.
      >> I´m an insider. I studied for many years on this.
      >> I combine issues. I can see the whole picture. TV producer is not
      >> correct.
      >> Dan Burisch, Marcia McDowell (and Bill H.) are honest. Think like: if 10%
      >> is
      >> correct. Forget the 90% that is not. I know too much, that´s why I´m
      >> unknown.
      >> JAn
      >>
      >> Quoting: JAnunknown 8300
      >>
      >> JAn, while it is true you are an 'insider' now, belonging to Dan's
      >> treehouse
      >> Think Tank and having followed the saga since it began here at GLP on Oct
      >> 2,
      >> 2003, I'm sorry to say you can't see the whole picture. You've been
      >> blinded
      >> by your good heart and earnestness: Dan Burisch and Marcia McDowell are
      >> also
      >> DISHONEST. You refuse to see it. While they may justify their occasional
      >> lies by telling themselves - and the assembled acolytes and black-ops
      >> colleagues - it's "for the good of humanity", they are following a bogus
      >> paradigm. Some, such as yourself, seem not to be able to find any fault
      >> with
      >> the policy of "the ends justify the means", but you HAVE witnessed the
      >> ugliness of the command-and-control SNEDs forum (unlike the GT,
      >> independent
      >> thinking isn't allowed there, people are abruptly banned and without
      >> public
      >> explanation if they aren't oooohhhing and ahhhhhing enough in their
      >> questions and statements). {P.S. You weren't there when Dan and Marci
      >> started talking excitedly about being able to get Bruce Willis to play
      >> the
      >> role of Dan.}
      >>
      >> The science may be 10% correct, maybe 80% correct, but there is at least
      >> 10%
      >> lies to 90% truth. Sadly, if even 1% is a lie, who can believe the 99%
      >> isn't? This is the karmic epitaph to a project hatched by the likes of
      >> Dick
      >> Cheney and Heinz Kissinger, not to mention George Bush and the rest of
      >> the
      >> military-industrial-surveillance complex that gave Dan his 'orders' and
      >> signed the illegitimate Tau-9 Treaty. You may know too much of one thing,
      >> but way too little of other things, things that are very important to the
      >> future of humanity.
      >>
      >> George Knapp, on GLP, wrote:
      >> .........
      >> When I first read the email from the producer, it seemed legit. I'm still
      >> leaning in that direction, although I had the same thought as "October",
      >> that it might be a creation of Marcia or Dan as a way to rekindle
      >> interest
      >> in their fable, or perhaps to suck people in to another of their
      >> fantasies,
      >> maybe with the idea of pulling the rug out from under the discussion
      >> group
      >> somewhere down the line, just for kicks. Two things bothered me about the
      >> email. One, the producer says he had a meeting---one meeting---to discuss
      >> the project. He says he met Dan and Bill and someone claiming to be Dan's
      >> mom. Dan's mother hasn't seen her son in 12 years, at least, that's what
      >> she
      >> has told me and others. She has been cut off from Dan by Dan's wife...oh,
      >> and by the secret government. Unless there has been a recent
      >> reconciliation,
      >> it strikes me as unlikely that Dan's mom would be at that meeting. (Maybe
      >> someone was there pretending to be his mom. Nothing would surprise me at
      >> this point.) Two, the producer says the meeting was set up by a friend
      >> who
      >> is a UFO researcher. Somehow, this UFO researcher did not know that Dan
      >> Burisch is the 'scientist' previously known as Dan Crain. Really? The
      >> researcher knew enough about the story to pitch it as a movie or TV
      >> project
      >> but had no idea Burisch is Crain? That's odd, isn't it? He or she didn't
      >> know something so basic in the twisted tale? I'm not sure what difference
      >> it
      >> should have made---Crain or Burisch, the story is still ridiculous---but
      >> that's what the email says. Maybe the producer will weigh in again and
      >> explain further.
      >>
      >> Quoting: George Knapp 302174
      >>
      >> Hello George, it's good to read a post by you here at GLP, though it
      >> appears
      >> the posting form truncated your post; maybe you can share that last bit
      >> in
      >> a
      >> follow-up. BTW, I'm only regretful we weren't able to hang out at least
      >> once
      >> and have a beer one of those nights I'd pick up Toni at KLAS after she
      >> got
      >> off work. When she got that job, working in the very same place of
      >> business
      >> with you and actually working WITH you on occasion, the black-ops
      >> community
      >> was in a tizzy for a short bit anyway, but I'm sure you can attest to the
      >> fact that the only thing you discussed with her was shoptalk; the Dan
      >> Burisch 'story' never made it into conversation. You know they even
      >> accused
      >> her of spying on you for me? tsk, tsk!
      >>
      >> I quoted the above paragraph from your post because it IS a big question
      >> as
      >> to who started this thread. Something about this doesn't "smell" right,
      >> and
      >> believe me, that says a lot. Many think I somehow fall hook, line and
      >> sinker
      >> for unquantified 'leaks' that appear designed to further the Dan Burisch
      >> 'myth', but while there are certainly elements of that, the fact is that
      >> the
      >> information that's been important isn't so much what's been volunteered
      >> to
      >> me (as this thread appears to do), it's what WASN'T told, or what was
      >> shied
      >> away from, or how it was shied away from, or what was reluctantly
      >> admitted
      >> to. So much of what I've been told would point back to Marci, Dan, or the
      >> Dadmiral himself, but ultimately was designed to show the falsity of what
      >> they have been trying to 'disclose'. Now, who would have an agenda like
      >> that? Hmmmmmm......
      >>
      >> Sure Dan worked with a zetan J-rod ET in the bowels of the S-4 complex.
      >> But
      >> then, so would a janitor! That means we should be able to see that
      >> corroborated by.....the janitor! At least one of them! Nonetheless, what
      >> that zetan J-rod TOLD him is as suspect as what God supposedly tells
      >> George
      >> Bush about 'staying the course in Babylon, to be there to save the day
      >> when
      >> Armageddon arrives.' Not to digress; I'm convinced, having seen no
      >> evidence
      >> to the contrary of the finely-detailed, highly-articulated diagrams and
      >> first-hand accounts, that the so-called 'Clean Sphere' exists. The
      >> balance
      >> of much other evidence argues for it, but again: THAT ISN'T THE ISSUE.
      >> "The
      >> tissue ain't the issue!"
      >>
      >> You're absolutely right about Doreen Crain being at any such meeting;
      >> Doreen
      >> spent a chunk of time with Jerry Pippin, who would probably know about
      >> such
      >> a meeting were it true. However, like the documents I recently received,
      >> or
      >> the ones Dan Rather is now suing CBS News over, there could be a germ or
      >> 2
      >> of explosive truth there, packed in with a sizzlin' pack of lies. One
      >> could
      >> spend years trying to separate them, or......they could simply get their
      >> Congress to deal with making it all transparent. These issues are
      >> actionable! That's the only way they will be resolved!
      >>
      >> Sadly, I've come to understand that it will only be when the earth
      >> changes
      >> become so dramatic that the Congress will do the right thing.
      >>
      >> Zack Savage, on GLP, wrote:
      >> Hey DonDep!!
      >>
      >> Good to see you're still out and about. This other person has a thread on
      >> an
      >> artifact dealing with time.
      >>
      >> Interesting, but I find the thread loaded with bits and pieces of the
      >> work
      >> of others. He has called hoax on many other players with relative ease.
      >>
      >> Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
      >> what-so-ever.
      >>
      >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.
      >>
      >> I found it disturbing when Thessa left in a huff about something you did
      >> or
      >> did not do. I don't follow the drama, just the clues.
      >>
      >> Anyway, I always found you to be a stand-up person in my dealing with
      >> you.
      >>
      >> I hope you and Starry are doing well.
      >>
      >> Namaste
      >> Z
      >>
      >> Quoting: zacksavage
      >>
      >> Hey Zack! Thanks for the shout-out; being that you were one of the
      >> original
      >> travellers of the Golden Thread, you can recall the sense of drama that
      >> once
      >> permeated these threads over the 'saga' of Dan Burisch, and you were
      >> there
      >> during the infamous hours-long "huddle" chats when we'd sometimes be able
      >> to
      >> chat with him.....he almost seems more genuine in retrospect, when we
      >> were
      >> all naive to it.
      >>
      >> The thread you refer to I checked out; this seems like yet another
      >> black-ops
      >> trial balloonist trying his wares out on the unsuspecting yet again.
      >> Reason
      >> argues against this paradigm of the stargates causing a poleshift by all
      >> being 'turned on' at once, which is what Dan originally was telling us,
      >> via
      >> the 'Ravens'. Reason would argue that these devices, if real, would have
      >> been used, and our consciousness would have CERTAINLY been disrupted by
      >> them
      >> by now. First we were told that Saddam had one (the original WMD), which
      >> we
      >> then captured finally, causing Rancher Bush to fly over suddenly for
      >> Thanksgiving just to see it (oh, btw, it made for a nice photo-op; how
      >> conVEEENient!), but now we're told that Saddamn 'never knew what he had',
      >> as
      >> if to now explain away the obvious question which is "so why didn't he
      >> use
      >> it?"
      >>
      >> That Stargate Scenario is most plausibly put on by having yet one more
      >> black
      >> compartment design and manufacture the fake 'stargate stones', a la
      >> Moses;
      >> then, they were being sold on the internet! So, send in a photo-oppable
      >> FBI
      >> team to 'arrest' the theives. Ultimately, the only agenda this scenario
      >> seems to serve is Bush's. And, in a world governed by a just and merciful
      >> God, that simply couldn't be truthful. "What's good for God is good for
      >> America, and what's good for Bush is good for God." Say WHAT?
      >> .......
      >> "Of course, we are to believe his info beyond reproach with no validation
      >> what-so-ever.
      >>
      >> At least Dan puts his name behind his words.".......
      >>
      >> Therein lies the quandary!
      >>
      >> As for Thessa, I don't know; troubles me to hear she was in a 'huff' over
      >> something I did or did not do. She dropped a few posts in the GT a couple
      >> of
      >> months ago, but while we were discussing something, she faded back away
      >> but
      >> there wasn't a clue as to her being upset. That's news to me. I've always
      >> had the deepest respect for Thessa, though we disagree on some things.
      >>
      >> Then again, Starry and I disagree on some things, some that are MAJOR.
      >> But,
      >> we're in this great old historic building and rebuilding our lives here
      >> having left Nevada 5 months ago; while I had few problems with Sin City,
      >> the
      >> idea that we were continually under 'light' surveillance, coupled with
      >> the
      >> fact that Starry wanted away from there, and I knew it would be no place
      >> to
      >> be trapped in either when the time came.
      >>
      >> "We're good", as some would say. Thanks for asking, and for your kind
      >> words.
      >> _________________
      >> Address to send information helping expose the Coverup:
      >> Dondep or Dagwood
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      >> Dondep
      >> Moderator
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      >> Joined: 25 Mar 2007
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      >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: Dadmiral, Dan, Marci and
      >> Ann
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> Transcript Of Dan, Marci, Dadmiral, & Ann - April 2007
      >>
      >> Even though a few months old, this transcript shows how strenuously
      >> Dadmiral
      >> is fighting to keep the consciousness of the REAL reason for the 'T-2'
      >> calculations from crystallizing in Dan's mind:
      >>
      >> ----------------------------------------------------------
      >>
      >> J: Listen to me! (yelling) The Planet X thing takes credibility, which
      >> you
      >> have, and throws it in the shitter! It's no more than him changing what
      >> you
      >> said in the hallway about that other character and the affidavit. Future
      >> visions? You watched a video, right? Listen up here! Apophis could hit
      >> us!
      >> That's not a vision, that's science. That science backs up what the
      >> Looking
      >> Glass showed.
      >>
      >> D: What? I thought that was lowered?
      >>
      >> J: We're waiting on better data. So, it's stock up for awhile now in case
      >> we
      >> can't stop it. It's not a planet killer, but it will interrupt us for
      >> some
      >> time.
      >>
      >> D: So, you are telling me Dxx is right?
      >>
      >> J: Yes and no. No. He is waiting for some Pole shift right?
      >>
      >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
      >> There
      >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
      >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
      >> with
      >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
      >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
      >> Back
      >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
      >>
      >> J: He is wrong about the Brown Dwarf, right about a higher probability of
      >> impact of an earth disrupting asteroid. It should be within visible
      >> range.
      >> I
      >> believe it will pass within the Earth Moon distance.
      >>
      >> D: Okay, I just wanted to make sure that this wasn't a T2 involved thing.
      >> This still troubles me, as it's too easily, ah too easy added in your
      >> subject matter. I've never heard you speak of this before?
      >>
      >> J: It's been in the mainstream. It's nothing we've been hiding.
      >>
      >> M: Okay, we understand that! Well, no I don't! The stocking of provisions
      >> was earmarked as possible T2 stocking. I've never heard anything in the
      >> way
      >> of an asteroid until now. Plus, I still don't understand why we weren't
      >> told
      >> of you working an op against us involving Kxxxx's additions?
      >>
      >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
      >> the
      >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
      >>
      >> D: Wasn't more important, what, Apophis or Dxx?
      >>
      >> A: Dxx, silly!
      >>
      >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
      >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
      >> issues
      >> are apples and oranges to me.
      >>
      >> J: Dan, Marci, you two would be told before anything would get critical.
      >>
      >> D: Screw me! (yelling) What of the impact's ground zero? Are we readying
      >> a
      >> protocol for movement of the populace from even an estimated ground zero
      >> location?
      >>
      >> J: Dan, we don't know if it will hit us!
      >>
      >> D: Right, but we know when it's passing, yes? Why not project it hitting
      >> us,
      >> and estimate from there? Jesus Christ! (yelling) Do you know how many it
      >> would wipe out, even if it isn't an Earth killer?
      >>
      >> J: That depends on where we estimate it will hit us! We might win the war
      >> quicker! (laughing)
      >>
      >> D: Not funny!
      >>
      >> M: No, you know sir, I don't, I mean to say, I don't see that as funny
      >> either.
      >>
      >> J: Look Dan -
      >>
      >> D: No, you look! (yelling) The first friggin chance I legitimately get, I
      >> am
      >> going to expose this information you just gave! (yelling)
      >>
      >> J: You make damned sure it's not from me! (yelling)
      >>
      >> D: I understand, you are in D.C. and trying to hold Dxxx together. I
      >> understand that. I also understand that this is information I should have
      >> been provided so that I could have given a more complete view of what we
      >> have, or what some have known. Now, what? This information comes to the
      >> public, and it emboldens those who have been screaming doom? You withhold
      >> critical information, and how about you Ann? Did you know this?
      >>
      >> A: Sugarlady said Apophis misses us in T1 but maybe not now that we've
      >> changed the course pushing us off T2.
      >>
      >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
      >>
      >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
      >> glasses.
      >>
      >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
      >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
      >>
      >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
      >>
      >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
      >> that
      >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
      >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
      >> not
      >> the full story.
      >>
      >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
      >> claims
      >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
      >>
      >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
      >>
      >> D: Thank you!
      >>
      >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
      >> Majestic
      >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
      >>
      >> D: Damned if we do and damned if don't.
      >>
      >> J: Not really, it will miss us.
      >>
      >> D: A moment ago you said we weren't sure it would hit us, now you are
      >> sure
      >> it will miss us?
      >>
      >> J: The numbers say it will miss.
      >>
      >> D: Which numbers? The ones before the stargates were grabbed or after?
      >>
      >> J: There are no real after numbers because we tore them down. The
      >> glasses.
      >>
      >> D: Exactly! Think about what Ann just said! I have no choice! I have no
      >> choice but to announce what I've learned!
      >>
      >> J: How? Exactly what have you learned?
      >>
      >> D: Jxxx, I have no choice but to say that while there is a possibility
      >> that
      >> Apophis will strike us, and that while this has been in the mainstream
      >> media, that the appearance of the lack of consideration by the Maji was
      >> not
      >> the full story.
      >>
      >> J: What does that do to help anyone? It will strengthen the idiotic
      >> claims
      >> of people like Dxx, who are waiting for the sky to fall! (yelling)
      >>
      >> M: What it will do, is tell the truth.
      >>
      >> D: Thank you!
      >>
      >> A: For as bad as I've been, I agree that it should be told that the
      >> Majestic
      >> hierarchy has been watching the situation.
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      >> Dondep
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      >> Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Clarifications
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      >>
      >> Clarifications
      >>
      >> Dan wrote:
      >> D: He is waiting for Nibiru as a Brown Dwarf or something like that.
      >> There
      >> is a decided difference between an electromagnetic pole flip, which I
      >> believe is underway now, and a geophysical as in T2. I tried to speak
      >> with
      >> him about it, that this is a cyclic issue of chaos-cosmos. There's no
      >> talking to him. He goes deaf just like the people he calls dissonant.
      >> Back
      >> to the other. What's its potential as an impact event?
      >>
      >> Uh, not so fast Dan. That's what I mean by being dishonest... "I tried to
      >> speak with him about it" isn't exactly correct. In the hallway at the
      >> Hilton
      >> you said at one point, just long enough for Marci to interrupt and call
      >> us
      >> back in before I could respond, "you've got to give up on this Planet X
      >> thing..." Yes, I remember clearly NOT brushing that conversation aside.
      >> The one time you volunteered the subject in a manner which would have
      >> exhibited respect for a whole side of the conversation you never heard,
      >> and
      >> it's blown by the usual reining in that always seems to occur at the
      >> wrong
      >> moments.
      >>
      >> Ann wrote:
      >> A: I spoke with J and he said it wasn't more important than us getting
      >> the
      >> XXXXXXXXXX on board so you could cut the XXXXXXX off at the knees!
      >>
      >> Cut WHO off at the knees? My, such humility and love for humanity!
      >>
      >> Dan wrote:
      >> D: Well, I will agree that we have had problems with Dxx broadcasting
      >> whatever he got his hands on, when it served his purposes, but these
      >> issues
      >> are apples and oranges to me.
      >>
      >> Did we just read an admission that Dan, apparently in cahoots with Marci,
      >> Ann, and Dadmiral, was directing 'info' to me? I don't know whether to
      >> laugh
      >> out loud, snicker, yell or wink!
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