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Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 On the contrary, Kraig, the historical reality was quite different. Nobody in the 16th-, 17th- or 18th-century tempered that high. Surviving tuning

losekanon
Feb 19
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Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 the thing is no one tunes to 3:2 frequencies which would give you that small difference in beat. if you apply that to say 660 and 440, the difference is much

kraiggrady
Feb 18
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Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 Yes, Charles, you cut to the very heart of the Grand Mystery. I am convinced that they knew about proportional beat rates empirically, and not a priori, and

losekanon
Feb 18
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Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 Paul You wrote: ‘I simply countered that although you are technically correct, there is no perceivable difference...’ Let’s assume for arguments sake

Charles Francis
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Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 The point is, Charles, these guys were both practical folk looking for real solutions to real problems, and on occasion, capable of the most extreme

losekanon
Feb 18
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Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 Additionally, I'm not sure you have actually read the quote in question. It's in Die Nothwendigsten Anmerckungen und Regeln wie der Bassus Continuus oder

losekanon
Feb 17
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Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 You're mixing apples and oranges. Werckmeister said that successive fifths beat at a ratio of 3:2. That is what he said, literally. You said they wouldn't if

losekanon
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Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 Paul Are you suggesting Werckmeister timed beats? Let’s not forget he thought in theological ways, and for him ratios and proportions were conceived in that

    Charles Francis
    Feb 17
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    RE: [TUNING] Schweben ≠ beating: best quote yet Yes, you are right, Meckenheuser uses the term throughout his treatise. So does Praetorius, but he also found it bad. But how does Meckenheuser use it? If you

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    Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 Charles, don't be ridiculous! Of course, if the fifths are tempered, the ratio of the beating will not be 3:2... not PRECISELY, but this is what is commonly

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    Buying and selling used microtonal instruments I have an acoustic guitar with adjustable microtonal frets that I need to sell, but I can't find a place to sell it. Where do you think I should post it? Can I

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    RE: [TUNING] Schweben ≠ beating: best quote yet Paul Meckenheuser used the term Schweben elsewhere, so he can’t have considered it absurd or he would have avoided it. To clarify, my suggestion was that for

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    Re: introduction and a question about Viennese temperaments early 18 Paul I’m rather late responding to your interesting comments from last month (been busy). I’ll certainly provide you with the reference to preparing the

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    RE: [TUNING] Schweben ≠ beating: best quote yet As a matter of fact, I can. Meckenheuser's rejection of the terminology probably has to do with the use of the words Schweben/Schwebung(en). In its common

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    RE: [TUNING] Schweben ≠ beating: best quote yet Paul In §76, at the bottom of page 53 continuing onto page 54, Meckenheuser writes: Wenn wird denn die gleichschwebende Temperatur (Terminus absurdus) in die

    Charles Francis
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