Re: [T TBS R] Ignition coils failure. . .
- I don't work for Triumph thanks, but would be glad to see you go
back to hanging with your rice burning buddies and stifle yourself.
There is really not much to refute, since you made no significant
factual statements regarding your Triumph problem.
Incidentally, my two failed coils were not manufactured by Gill,
rather PVL in West Germany - oh-oh! We have two bad batches now
apparently from different manufacturers! Now, this is a REAL
As for your multiple people coming up with the same "bad batch"
story - yes, I do believe it could happen. It is called an "urban
legend", and it happens all the time since this internet doo-hickey
became rampant. Maybe we should just shut down the internet to keep
unsuspecting and gullible twits like yourself from getting sucked
into such nonsense! Who specifically in TMA came up with this
statement Richard? I will be glad to verify it for you!
Once again, I said that every bike has a, read WEAK POINT - meaning
every design has its weakest link. Not only does every motorcycle
have a weak point, EVERY machine design has one - it is imbedded in
the very nature of machine design itself. With BMWs, there are
several. Take their shaft drive, for instance, which is quirky as
all get out and still unacceptable in my book. Hondas have the
recent major overheating issue on the GL1800 which they still are
denying to this day...
By the way, you might want to re-enroll in your business classes,
Richard, because Triumph is not a second tier manufacturer, they are
an OEM. Now, if you want Gill (the second tier) to pay for the
problem, that is a different story... but good luck, since the word
is that they are not even aware one exists.
Finally, Triumph replaced my first failed coil out of warranty - so
what are you complaining about? It sounds like you might have a
If you love your Beemers so much, please go back to riding them,
ditch the Triumph, and get off of this freakin discussion group. I
am sick of hearing this conspiracy drivel.
--- In email@example.com, "Richard
Fenner" <rfenner@t...> wrote:
> "The real thing we should be focused on" is the fact that a second-
> major manufacturer has not, and will not, deal with a known,widespread and
> continuing problem.market share
> As any Marketing 101 student knows, if you're trying to build
> and reputation, the one thing you cannot do is ignore a commonly-accepted
> problem or fail to deal with it.TNA itself.
> Triumph has done both.
> What makes this even more ridiculous (from both a marketing and PR
> standpoint) is that the "bad batch" explanation came from within
> Do you honestly think that a few hundred individual owners fromall over the
> world came up with this theory independently?coils from
> If indeed Triumph is correct, and they received a "bad batch" of
> Gill, why are they not rectifying the problem and making Gill payfor it? If
> a supplier delivered faulty OEM equipment to you, wouldn't youexpect them
> to replace it FOC? And if Gill is paying for it, what percentageis there in
> Triumph denying the problem and pissing off owners? Remember:positive word
> of mouth referrals from current owners are a manufacturer'sgreatest sales
> tool.42 years,
> And as for all bikes having problems - bollocks! I have ridden for
> the last 35 on BMWs, Hondas and, for the last 25, Yamahas. TheONLY problem
> I have had in that time has been the rear clutch oil seal going(1000 miles
> out of warranty) on my 1978 BMW R100RS.just like
> Although the bike was out of warranty, it was a "known problem" -
> this one. Consequently, the dealer a) acknowledged the problem;b) provided
> the new parts FOC; and c) lent me the factory tools needed to dothe job,
> which took all of an hour.Canada,
> Why couldn't Triumph react like that?
> In Europe, I averaged about 15,000 miles a year. Since coming to
> that has dropped to about 16,000 kms/pa.I screwed
> I have ridden either FZR 1000s or R1s from 1987 to last year, when
> my back playing rugby. NOT ONCE has one of these bikes ever had aproblem
> while I have owned them. I had my 89 FZR for 7 years, and rode thewheels
> off it. It never even hiccoughed.clock. I
> I bought my 98 TBS on July 16th last year, with 26,400 kms on the
> have put on 13,000 kms since. I love this bike, but have spentmore time
> working on it in the last 9 months than I have all the Yamahas Ihave owned
> put together.refute
> So, Scot, now come back with another dubious Triumph PR bleat to
> 98 TBS
>What are the symptoms of coil failure? Do you get any warningThe usual symptom is the engine will break-up and you will lose
>before the engine dies?
power. This occurs when the engine and coils are hot. Mine always
ran well while cold, umless you have a total coil failure where
presumably the diode burns out. Then it's obvious because you will
be running on two cylinders. Easy to find which one by pulling spark
>I'm asking because I'm having electrical problems on my '99. I haveCoil problems are generally independant of battery problems. How old
>trouble keeping a charge in my battery.
is your battery? It may not hold a charge because it's no longer any
good or your alternator isn't putting out enough voltage to charge
it. Easy to test with a multimeter.
>If so, any recommended replacements, OEM or third party?Batteries, for sure Yuasa and others. Coils, try Sprint
manufacturing for an OEM alternative.